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This is "Sound Up" with Mark Goodman and Alan White, the only music podcast that matters. Whew! I'm Mark Goodman. Yeah, I'm Alan White. Whew! I'm still partying for the Fourth of July. Found some fireworks back, it's left in the closet. On this episode of Sound Up, Howard Jones is going to be joining us to talk about his over 40-year career and his upcoming tour of the U.S. Plus, we have a bunch of music news on Bon Jovi, Steve Perry, Kendrick Lamar, and the big journey Def Lapper at his summer tour. Whew! As always, we have our new music picks of the week, but before we get to all of that, we do have a pod squad review of a Roger Daltry show. And Alan, you went to something that I'm anxious to hear about. You went to this event this past year? Yeah, we can commence there if you want. Donald Glover, once again, is saying that he's retiring his Childish Gambino to Ego, musical Ego. He's done this before and then didn't do that, but he announced a final album. Then last week also announced a movie that's coming that the album is going to be the soundtrack for. And late last week announced that over the weekend he was going to do a premiere listening event for the new music, which he did on this newly constructed, I guess it's a couple of years now, little island, called Little Island in the Hudson River, right off of the meatpacking district area of New York City. Barry Diller and Diane von Furstenberg put up the money to build this little park. Oh, that I did not know. Yeah, yeah, that's where it came from. That sort of juts out into the river there, and there's a little amphitheater, about 600 people on the space. They've been doing an art series there this summer. I actually went a couple of weeks ago to see a Twilight Harp piece that was premiering there. And so, Donald Glover announced he was going to do this event there on Saturday night, so I went to this. And it's another in this series of now people doing these album playback premieres for fans. This is like Billie Eilish. Yeah, I mean, it's a hugely different scale. I talked to whenever that was a few months ago about going Billie Eilish launched at the Barclays Center, and then I guess that Staples in LA and 20,000 fans came to fill an arena to listen to the album. This is a very different thing. It was 600 people in this cool little outdoor space, and it was just Childish Gambino alone in this. It's a sort of in the round space with a DJ set up before him. There was a screen, sort of, I don't know, he described it like a see-through screen behind him over the river that you could do projections on. And he played stuff from the album, and he said, "This isn't the whole thing, and I'm not playing it in order, but here's some of the stuff. Let me just see what I feel like playing." Like to track? Sometimes he would just introduce it, play the track, and like walk off. Oh. Sometimes he would play it and sing or rhyme. Sing or rhyme to the track, and it's very hard to know what this album, again, not even thinking about the soundtrack element of it and what that's going to be. It's a really disparate bunch of stuff. Usually he sort of, you know, he does different things musically like that. Awakened My Love album was him doing Funkadelic. They're different things that he does, this one feels all over the map, will probably talk new music picks about the single "Lithonia" that came out as the lead single, which sounds like a Green Day or a My Chemical Romance song. Yeah. There's a song, there's a duet with the singer Foché that it sounds like working for the weekend, or it sounds like an 80s, you know, "Loverboy Track" or something. Oh my God. Then there's stuff that's like hip-hop, hip-hop, you know, he's in this track with Flo Millie. Steve Lacey was there, there's a song with Steve Lacey, and just a very acoustic ballad. Steve was sitting in the front row, and Glover went, and they sat together and sort of did the song together, sitting in the crowd. So it was a cool little thing. At this scale, it's fun to do this, and this is the album's out, I guess, end of next week, I believe. So it wasn't, you know, the Billie Eilish thing was a Thursday night, and then the thing goes up at midnight, this is a little more spread out, it's not out for a minute. Do you know does he have another event, like in LA or something? Not that I've seen, but he announced this last minute, you know, and I think they put up, they announced it Thursday or Friday that it was happening on Saturday. So, you know, a cool enough thing to witness an experience. In the end, it's all about the merch, right? Like this is everybody who was there, if there were 600 people there, 500 of them were lined up to buy the t-shirt from this, you know, one night only event. So that really becomes the play here. But I'm very interested to hear what this thing adds up to as an album, and then, of course, what its relation to the film is and, you know, how all this plays out in Donald Glover World. I just saw, you know, a mention of the film when I was reading about the single, and is it, he wrote and directed and stars in this film? I believe that's right, I'm not sure if he directed it, but he wrote, and it's a sci-fi end of the world apocalypse film. I love this guy. If you look at the trailer, you never know where the hell he is going next. No idea what's happening, and these were, again, from song to song you didn't know, so it all sounded good, I think it's going to be an interesting record, but glad to go see what he's up to that night. And just for laughs, I'm way late to the community party. For me to look at this guy, and the way that he was in community, that, you know, fresh-faced young kid at community college, and that, I mean, it's really some sort of culture shock. And we're still waiting there, you know, they're working on the community reunion movie. The indications are he's going to do it, he hasn't said that, you know, the team has said we're hopeful that he's going to do it. So, who the hell knows? Can't wait. Cannot wait. We got Podsquatter Sunita. What, Sunita? Out at another event? How shocking. Sunita recently saw another concert, and she filed this report. You want to read it? You want me to read it? I'll do the first paragraph. You can do the second chapter and the third chapter. You do the review. I'll do the PS. Quick review of Roger Daltry's Electric Acoustic Tour last week. This has done somewhat like storyteller style. He was surprisingly really pleasant. Took questions from the audience and told his own anecdotes. It didn't feel scripted at all. And there was lots of changing things up on the fly. I really appreciated Roger's candidness. He's struggling with his hearing, and was very open about that, but that doesn't affect his voice. He sounds way better than I expected. An 80-year-old rocker, better than I expected, an 80-year-old rocker to sound. And he still swings that microphone around while belting out those notes. Does he do it while he's answering your question? Good question! He had a nine-piece band, including Simon Townsend on guitar and really interesting arrangements of so many of those who classics along with some unexpected covers. Tickets were quite affordable. Relatively speaking, go see it. P.S. writes Sunita. After seeing this show, I realized that there are some bands where I have such a strong connection to the music. I want some kind of interaction with the artists too. She's still talking about what she was talking about last week when she wrote in. It just makes the listening experience that much more meaningful. Perhaps that's not fair to expect. And I accept that. That said, I still don't think saying hi is too much to ask. Last week, this was Sunita complaining about, I forget which artist, Pixies. She went to go see and was pissed that they didn't even say hello or good night or thank you or anything like that. So Roger, who was, I love the phrase, surprisingly really pleasant. Yeah, I mean, I guess he does have these days that sort of curmudgeon tag. I know that you and I, we've talked about this before. You and I saw a bit of it the last time that we saw the who at Madison Square Garden. He was kind of cranky about people smoking pot down front and let it be known. And I don't think that was a one off. And I don't think that was a one off. Alright, so we love hearing your comments, your audio messages, concert reviews, all of that stuff in our weekly Tuesday episode. And as always, you can send random questions and thoughts anytime you like, which we will use for our next mailbag show. That is coming up soon. 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I've dedicated my life to uncovering and treasure trove of tools and techniques and I can't wait to share them with you, join me on this incredible journey where we'll dive deep into spirituality, astrology, channeling, fitness, the divine feminine, numerology and various spiritual modalities and each week you'll receive invaluable insights and interviews that are going to bring you closer to that version of yourself that you want to achieve. Expect captivating interviews with experts, deep dives into metaphysical concepts and practical advice to ignite your creativity and boost your personal growth. I'm your host, Alita Mago. I'm Porta Thag, Mystico Podcast. Listen to Porta Thag, Mystico on Pandora app, Apple Podcast, Spotify or your favorite platform. This is Sound Up with Mark Goodman and Alan White, the only music podcast that matters. Alrighty, welcome back to Sound Up, our conversation with Howard Jones coming up in just minutes. But before we get to that, we've got a bunch of music news to get to. The stadium tour mock, whatever, continues. Two, three, four, depends where you start to count. Defleppard and Journey kicked off their co-headlining North American tour on Saturday night in St. Louis. Support at the gig from Cheap Trick. Should note that 13 of the 18 songs in the leopard set came from Pyromania and hysteria. Is that supposed to be surprising? I don't know. I don't know what would have been the overunder on that number. Among the tracks featured were Pyromania open a rock rock 'til you drop. And Defleppard's new single, the recently released Just Like 73. No huge surprise. In a recent interview Phil Colin set about the tour. We changed the whole set. There's a whole screen. We've been using pretty much the same stuff for like 12 years. So we've changed that completely. The stage show is drastically different. It's going to take a lot of energy. There's going to be a lot of running around. So here's the set. Opens with rock rock 'til you drop. Closes with poor some sugar on me. How do you follow that? All the hits you would expect. Defleppard and Journey doing 23 cities through the summer winding up September 8th in Denver, Colorado on the way playing Chicago, Nashville, Boston, Toronto, New York, LA and more. Cheap Trick will play two shows at the beginning of the tour and two at the end while I know here in New York the Steve Miller band will be doing the opening set for the majority of the shows. And both of the cheap trick and Steve Miller are also on their own tours headlining. And Hart was also supposed to be a part of that mix. Until Amy Wilson's Heart Scare News. Yeah. So while we're thinking of that massive stadium tour, Defleppard and Journey, a 75 year old Journey fan in Cleveland, Ohio was reportedly scammed out of $122,000 by an online imposter posing as Steve Perry. Who has $122,000 to get scammed out of, like off hand? It's a lot of stuff. And who's giving it to Steve Perry? Exactly. According to WKYC in January, the woman responded to a Facebook message from someone claiming to be the band's former lead singer. According to Westlake Police, the fake Mr. Perry had a business opportunity and of course needed a woman in his life. According to the police report, over the next several months, the woman sent the Perry imposter $72,000 in wire transfers to various persons in various different states designated by Perry through her bank as well as $50,000 in gift cards. Like an ongoing scam. Wow. When the imposter began demanding pictures of her passports and driver's license, at that point, the woman realized that she was being scammed and went to the police. They were attempting to track down the criminal and also advised the woman to report the scam to her bank and the FBI's internet crime complaint center. But you know what? They ain't never finding this dude. The Lonely Heart scam is the oldest game in the book, right? I mean, I've heard and I've known people who have gotten a similar scam. For whatever reason, they believe that so and so online needs money and they go with it and the gift card, but it's a one-off thing. They give them a few grand and they're gone. This is like a rolling disaster, this poor woman. An awful story. Earlier this year, Def Leppard frontman Joe Elliott released a video warning fans against online imposters who said, "We're really starting to piss me off." He offered some blunt advice about how to spot these scams. "I don't need your money, okay? I would never ever ask you for money because my wife's divorcing me or my leg fell off or I need a glass eye." It's complete and utter horseshit. Anyone who sends you an email claiming that they're me or they're going to take you on a date or I don't know, my house fell over, it's not true. I guess it's a thing I know from following our friend Peter Frampton. I feel like every week there's a post from him saying, "This is the real account. Don't follow these others. Don't fall for somebody else claiming to be me online." I guess these guys are just constantly being impersonated and hustled. For whatever it's worth, the way that these scams go down are generally consistent. There's lots of information out there now that I hope people are paying attention to so that this doesn't happen. It's so obvious. I'm waiting, by the way, for further updates on the Graceland theft scam which I have seen a couple of stories like at some point we're going to get the full story on what that whole thing was still the scam of the year. Aren't those guys living in Barbados now or something or some offshore hut not to be found? What else is up? Very quick. A victory lap from Kendrick Lamar in the ongoing Kendrick and Drake beef after filming in his Compton and playing the songs six times back to back at his pop-out concert last month. Kendrick Lamar has released the video for Not Like Us, the biggest hit from the nonstop beef between him and Drake. The clip has various Easter egg digs at Drake and his OVO crew. And Lamar's fiance Whitney Alford and their children are in the video. Of course, she was the target of part of the diss from When Drake Did Family Matters. But Not Like Us is the song that sort of broke out of that diss fest, went to number one on the Billboard Hot 100, has remained a big hit. And now the video is just going to juice that a little more. And again, played it six times when he did his surprise pop-out show in LA a couple weeks back. I don't understand any of that. Do people give a shit? They do. It's a number one hit. What are you going to say about that? So is it a number one hit because of the beef? Yes. I mean, and because of Kendrick. Is it great? Is it great? Yeah. I mean, but it wouldn't be there without the attention surrounding the concert. That's what I'm asking. Is this just, you know, like promo 2024 style? Absolutely. Of course. When was it ever not? Really, see, I thought back in the day I thought beefs were genuine beefs. Well, it can be both of those things. I mean, if you start from the premise of hip hop saying, I'm better at this than you and I'm going to show you. I mean, that's promotional. Yeah. However, sincere. I don't know. Why doesn't it happen in rock and roll? I want to know. I don't know that that's true. But anyway. One more. Yeah. So Bon Jovi's new album, Forever, did not live up to its name on the charts. It says here, after debuting at number five, it's first week of release, the album fell out of the top 200 the following week. Unless it comes back, it will be the first Bon Jovi studio album to only last one week in the top 200. Now, the previous album, 2020, went only two weeks on the chart. I remember it came in at number 19 and then it fell 126 spots. It was the biggest decline when that happened. The story was that's the most any album has fallen from one week to the next. That is no longer the case. Since this new one dropped from number five to number infinity. We'll never know what it is once you get past 200. All right. So John beat his own record. Well done. I guess that so much of the, you know, all the attention around this was on the documentary, you know, everything that went up to the run up to the release of the album. But since he's not touring, not doing other stuff, that momentum gets you up to the starting line. I guess it should be mentioned while John has said that he is not planning on touring with the band. He hasn't totally ruled out live performing. There's a difference between that and touring. We understand he can pull it off. It seems for a couple of few songs and is willing to do that. But beyond that, I think that's all. That's all that's going to be happening for John going forward. And I don't think, you know, that's not about necessarily about, you know, breathing momentum back into this project. No, not at all, but looking forward to it. I still think we're going to be hearing more from John. And for people, I think there's a whole bunch of people who got turned on to who the guy is with that documentary, which I thought was really great, really something. All right. We're going to take a fast break. We've got a great conversation coming up in moments with Howard Jones on SoundApp Standby. At KeyBank, we know a small moment like, "Huh, what's it like to have a yard?" Can lead to an even bigger question like, "Am I ready to buy a home?" And that's the type of moment where we'll meet you. Prepare to talk about everything you need to know when applying for a mortgage, so you can try to turn those backyard dreams into reality. Paul? Yes. Question. Are you a hammock person? You know, I think I might be. For every financial need, we'll meet you in the moment. 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Listen to Portale Mystico on Pandora app. Apple podcast, Spotify, or your favorite platform. ♪ This is Sound Up with Mark Goodman and Alan White, the only music podcast that matters. Welcome back to Sound Up. As promised, We've Got Howard Jones is a very special guest. Singer songwriter, Howard Jones, is one of the premier synth pop artists arriving in the US as part of the second Brit invasion. Since he began releasing music in 1983, I remember it so well. Howard has sold nearly 10 million records worldwide and been a constant presence on touring stages around the world. One of those legendary performances was captured live at the '02 arena in London, March 24th of this year, and that night is documented on the new live album on the way out called, Live from the '02, out August 2nd. In support of that album, Hojo returns to the US with the full band, along with the support of ABC, kicking off August 2nd, also on the bill. Haircut 100 back on US stages with the original band. Howard, welcome to Sound Up after that long intro. Great. Well, thank you very much, Mark. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be with you. Always. 40 years ago, I'll just, you know, we'll flashback a little bit. I mentioned, obviously, you know, you and I have seen each other, known each other peripherally for a couple of years. 40 years ago, you released, I'd like to get to know you well and dedicated to the original spirit of the Olympics. And now, as it happens, we're approaching the Summer Games in Paris. What was it about those Olympics that inspired that song and are you thinking about the upcoming Paris Olympics? Well, I mean, I've always tried to write songs that are about creating harmony between people and friendship and respect. You know, I like to get to know you well, it's a very simple song, but it's hard to do. You know, you have to be brave to get to know people. And I was thinking that, you know, a great example of people coming together and being free of like, you know, like, that everyone comes from different countries, different backgrounds, but they come together to share sport. And it's a very, and it's really a wonderful thing. So, that's what I was thinking of, that, you know, I wanted it to be associated with the spirit of the original games. And I think, I mean, I think it's going to be, I mean, they're always great. I always try and watch as much as I can of the games. But yeah, I'd like to get to know you well. You know, in the video that we did in the UK, I had a shirt that we made with all different flags on it, you know, and things like that. Anything that can help to bring people together, you know, we need that in this time. We were just speaking just before we came on. You're dialing in from the UK. You just had the elections over there. We had the elections in France over the weekend. You said you're monitoring what's going, all the chaos happening in the political season in the States. Do you still feel that call, you know, do you still have that, that faith or that aspiration that music can reach across like that? I mean, everything that you're talking about can be that sort of communication even in the face of what we're living through. I really do think so. And I think I think new music is underestimated in the power that it has to bring together. I mean, I just went to see the, you know, the killers at the O2. I'm a friend of Brandon. And just getting that many people in a room together, just sharing an experience of that music is such a cool thing. I mean, a really great thing. Everyone sort of focusing on what, on one thing and being like really mushed in together, you know, the whole of the floor with everyone standing. It was just a powerful experience. And it just reminded me how great, because I mean, I do a lot of concerts. I don't go to a lot of concerts. And it reminded me of what an amazing thing it is to share music with other people. And, you know, and then, you know, the lyrics conveying things that provoke thought and things that you relate to and can help you get through difficult times. I think I would believe more in that now than I did even when I started out. You know, I want the power of music and lyrics to have an effect. Yeah. I have called you since back then, Mr. Frickin' Positive. You are relentlessly positive. Things can only get better. And things can only get better. Dream into action. What a concept. That struck me so hard when that record came out. And going all the way up way more recently, build your own future. Those kinds of perspectives, Howard. Is that your Buddhist following, or is that just your parents, or what is that? Well, I mean, when I started out, I really, I've always been interested in philosophy, in religion, in general, and philosophy. I read a lot of books in Eastern philosophy, you know, Western philosophy. And I thought, well, you know, when I do my music, I didn't want to just write about, you know, love songs. And there's a place for love songs, please. Don't get me wrong. It really is a place. But I wanted to write songs that were, like, about affirming how great people are and how much potential each person has within themselves. And that actually we are, if we can realize it, we can be the director of our own life film. You know, we can set our own course. And I just wanted to convey those things in the looks and just send out some positivity, some encouragement. And, you know, at the same time, I'm doing that to myself. You know, I'm trying to encourage myself. You know, when you say about being positive, I think it's because I know the cynical side of myself very well. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's in a constant battle to win over that cynical, negative side. You know, so when I make the music, the full of positivity, but acknowledging, you know, things are going to get better, you know, and you feel scared, I do. But it's not going to put me off, though. I'm going to keep going forward. You know, so it's recognizing that life is difficult. It's tough. But, you know, let's just be strong, cultivate that strength within ourselves so we can overcome the difficulties. You have this live album. You have this live at the O2 album coming in a couple of weeks. Why? What was important? Why did you want to document the live show now? Not your first live album. Not your first live album, but again, 40 years in. What is it that you wanted to capture with this project? That's a great, it's a great question. I mean, there was a couple of things. One was, you know, this tour was coming up August, September. And I liked the idea of the audience being able to have, you know, it represents what they will hear that night. I mean, we'll probably be doing more songs than that. But it will be roughly what, you know, what they've heard that night. It's kind of like a souvenir to have of the show you will see. And then out of the blue, OMG, my great friends, Andy and Paul, invite me to be special guests for them at the O2 because they've never played there before. And they wanted to make it, like, a bit special. And so, and we've never played there until I've been to them many times, but never played. So, I said to the band before we went on, I know you give me amazing energy every night. You know, you're just brilliant. But this gig, three times as much, I might probably. Go on in. And, you know, we got, I suppose, you know, a whole week rehearsing to that one gig. We, you know, put everything into it. Thought we must, but sometimes when you record shows, it doesn't take us some technical problem or it doesn't work out or, you know, we were having a bad night that night. Everyone was like, so focused and so on it. I was really lucky and so it's turned out to be a great, great record. Very, really happy about it. And you're right, a great sort of, you know, entree to what people will get to see this time around in the U.S. I wonder, I haven't checked your set lists from the most recent live dates, but you put this trilogy out. And when you started with that one, I want to say 2015, am I right? I think it was, I think it was 15. But a trailer, you know, after COVID, my sense of time is just screwed. Well, somewhere back then, a really interesting set of albums, engage, transform, and then dialogue. And you seem to be setting out a roadmap for us. This is kind of what we're sort of talking about. You seem to be setting out a roadmap for us to follow. What did you hope that people would take from that series? And with the concert thing, how much of that are you able to work into the live set? Well, the reason, I mean, I set myself a goal to do four albums. Actually, there's one I haven't done yet. I was going to say there's not a fourth one that I missed, right? I know it's called Global Citizen. So it gives you an idea of the trajectory. So engage is about, like, we have to be engaged in the world we're in. You know, we cannot shut the doors. We can't shut the door. We've got to be engaged. So if we want to, you know, really make the most of being here, we need to engage. And then to have any effect, we need to transform ourselves, become strong, and to be able to help ourselves get through difficult stuff. But also then, when you're strong, you can help other people to be great as well. And then next step, dialogue, you know, talking to each other, communicating. It's not the easiest thing in the world to have deep meaningful conversations with people. So that was the third album. And then, hopefully, the next album of Global Citizen will sort of put it all together. How do, you know, what does it mean to be a global citizen? And what do we have to step up? How do we have to step up for that one? So yeah, so working the songs into the set, I always want to do something from each of those albums. Because it's really important for me to be showing that, you know, I'm moving forward myself as an artist and a musician. I'm still making records. It's very important to me, and I'm trusting the audience that they can easily take some new stuff from me. You know, there's a lot of songs that they would be really horrible if I didn't play them, you know? So yeah, but I always will work as many of those in as I can. So, you know, we do human touch, for instance. So we do want to love you, and I can't remember what else I've got. And there's yeah, Eagle will fly again. That's another one I think. So yeah, so some, and then people go, they think that it's part of the Herjo catalogue anyway. So that seems to be a good result. I always like to do that. So I'm curious, Mark, mentioned at the top you're going out on this tour with ABC and with haircut 100. You just mentioned your friends in OMD and then bringing you on. I mean, is there a like new wave, you know, dinner party club? Do you guys do, you know, potluck synthesizer swap, you know, every month? Like, is there sort of a sense of, you know, community for you guys who came up together like that? I think there is, I mean, I relate to some people more than others. I love the OMD guys could be tall America together and, you know, right back in the beginning I opened up for them. Four shows I think, you know, just as I was about to get a record deal. And then Midjure is a really good friend, you know, we've stayed. So I don't know everybody. I suppose it's people that I feel a connection with that I don't hang out with famous people all the time. I mean, it's just people that I feel drawn to sometimes and I want to go to these shows. I want to get to know them. You don't always know why, but yeah. But, you know, I know Martin and, you know, we've done festivals together. So it's nice, like, it's nice that we, you know, families have met and, you know, that makes, that makes, I know that the tour is going to be really harmonious and great and everyone's going to get on. You know, we really have to do that. If we're going to put that out from the stage, then we must, that must be the reality backstage as well, you know, I mean, that will be the case. Having, because I do is almost as many 80s events as you do, I mean, Howard, I've seen you on the 80s crews. I believe I've seen you at 80s in the sand, but I know, and I know I've seen you with OMD around, I think, on the same bill. Yeah. And, you know, so what does the membership card look like for, you know, just kidding. You know, you know what it was like, Mark, that 80s went through a really bad patch in terms of people's perception of it. I mean, obviously at the time, it was incredible. A golden image of music, you know. And then it, then it went seriously out of favor, didn't it, in the, in the, in the 90s. And we all struggled to, to, to do shows at all and have any interest in what we were doing. And then gradually as our generation had their kids and, you know, had a bit more money to go out to shows and stuff. And it started to go, oh, yeah, this is what we want, this is what we want. And now we're at that stage where another generation is discovering the music for the first time. And I think that's interesting. You look out in the audience, there's your generation, there's a younger generation as well. And, and so, you know, I've got tracks in "Stranger Things", you know. And, and, you know, who's this new artist, how, for them, they're hearing the music for the first time. And that's what I think is happening. And also, my daughter now is running my social media. So she, she's just an absolute genius with it. So that's, I'm on TikTok now, Mark. Only through your daughter, because I know I call my daughter. Honey, my cell phone, I can't get it, that dude, can you? And they, they just look at us like, oh, God, you people, what's wrong with you? But tell me, between the, those between social media efforts, whatever, in between some of these soundtrack and TV placements. And you said for a friendly with Brandon from the killers and whoever from other generations. I mean, do you hear that music, that sound, that influence? You know, do you hear that out in new music today? I mean, where do you hear what you guys did and what that '80s synth new wave thing, you know, was? How do you hear that, you know, in the air now? Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I think that, you know, people tell me that they, one of the first concerts they saw was me, you know, doing my one man show with all the synths. And that set them on a course to, to be, get really into electronic music and, and synthesizers, drum machines, a new way of making music. And I, you know, my friend, my friend BT, who I've collaborated with. Where did they ask you about him? Yeah, he, he saw one of my gigs in, in New Jersey when he was 14. So, and, you know, he vividly recounts the experience to me. So, you know, and I, I kind of hear things, none again. I mean, you know, Brandon comes to my shows when I, you know, when I play in Utah. And, you know, and, and we have a great conversation about, about songwriting, you know, afterwards. So, yeah, I mean, you can sort, sort of hear, and that, and that, isn't that great? Because like, I was influenced by, I mean, I went to my first festival when I was 14. And it was the Isle of Wight Festival and I saw Jimi Hendrix and, and so like, and Palmer and the doors. You know, and like the who and Joni Mitchell and, you know. Wow. I mean, it was like everyone, everyone. And so, and that, all those influences is pouring in to your head. You know, it's going to come out. But in your own way, that's the idea. That's how it works, right? You know, you listen to great music and then you mash it all together in your own way and comes out. And it's a different take on it all. I was going to ask you about BT. You worked with him on Transform. And he, I'm a big fan of his and he is an artist that had a moment here. Working with some other artists in that, in the dance space. What was it like for the two of you, especially the guy saw you when he was, he was 14 years old. What, what was it like in the studio for the two of you putting things together? Or were you even in the studio together at this point? I can't assume that. Actually, we were. Yeah. I, I went over to, to his studio in Washington state. No, not Washington state near Washington on the first. And it was, it was, it was great because I picked up on his music because I saw him as a pioneer of his generation, you know, like taking electronic music to another level. Personally, that's my view. I know there's lots of people doing that. But for me, it was BT. It was a master of that. And so I really appreciated that. We're going to want to see him do an amazing show in, in Miami and got to meet him there. And, you know, we should, we should do something together. So in the studio, he would come up with some, some, a few chords and a beat. And I could eat straight away here, what I would do over the top, you know. And then add my, my stuff to it. So it's very much, then we, then we collaborated, you know, across the Atlantic with files and, but there was a moment where we were in the studio together and it was, it was brilliant. Yeah. So that's the, that's the story. And he, he also did some tracks with me on the dialogue album as well. So we, we will continue to do, you know, to collaborate, I think. Yeah. You would like that. Anyone out there like that, that you would love to collaborate with, that you'd love to collaborate with, either you haven't had the chance to do so or somebody that you've picked up on that's, that's newer that you feel like would be a match. Well, Brandon was saying that we should do something together when I was there last week. So that, I think that'd be a cool, a cool collaboration. Yeah. I'd like to do that. I think he's a great songwriter, a great lyricist. And that would be fun. So there's one. There's one. You mentioned, and this will sort of wrap it up with this. A bit about the 80s falling out of favor. And, and I know that there are some artists from, from that decade who, who, you know, sort of came of age and got their first successes in that decade who want to disavow the decade. And I feel as though that the 80s in particular is a decade, I don't know why, but it seems like it's not the, the nostalgia for it is only getting bigger. As opposed to, I grew up in the 60s. What a hell of a decade that was. And people, you know, in the 70s, we were kind of nostalgic. And then there was nostalgia for the 70s, but nothing in the 90s, but nothing like the 80s. Do you make sense of that? Or do you agree with me? I think, I think it had a lot going for it, right? The, the, the collecticism of all the different strands of music going on, you know, in the, indie rock, um, um, scar, reggae, um, synthesize that's coming on the scene and a different way of making music, or, or is it MTV, you know, that you're a huge part of. Um, so you're making films as well, yeah, creative outlet for, for that. So there was the, there was the fashion, there was the MTV, there was the, the, the, all these different genres of music that any, then you could embrace all of them if you want it. And so, um, that's why I think it's, you know, it's, it's, it's a rich historical, you know, musical time. So maybe it's that. I don't know. What do you think? Crazy politics in the 80s? Crazy politics today. The world is going to hell in a hand basket in the 80s and same thing today. That's right. That's right. Exactly. So we need people like you. You know, being serious. I'm not being facetious. No, no, no, I, I think it's important to, to be, to stand up and, you know, and encourage people to, you know, it's, it's up to us at the end of the day as individuals, you know, in whatever sphere of influence we have to stand up and go, right, I'm not, I'm not putting up with that. I'm not supporting that. I, I want, I want the world to be this like this, you know, um, and people, we do have the power to do this. It may not seem like it, but it all adds up. If everyone acts and goes, yeah, I can make a difference in my community and my world, you know, big global act local. Yeah. And it adds up. I'm happy that you are still with us and still making music that makes sense and that is, is relevant and the people are focused on. And I'll say that my daughter loves you. Oh. She says she wasn't even born in the 80s. So the live at the 02 album is out August 2nd, the tour with ABC and haircut 100. This starts in Redmond, Washington on August the 14th. Howard Jones. Lots going on. Thanks for making time for us. Thank you, Howard. I really enjoyed it. Thank you. Right. Many thanks. Howard Jones joining us here on sound up. All right. We are in the final moments of today's show. We've still got some new music to get into. Who's got some new music you want to talk about? I feel like I'm always leading. You should lead us off, Mark. And I know we, I think we're going to intersect a little bit here. So you should take the first swing. All right. Fair enough. I'm going to just right out of the box. I'm going with Lythonia Childish Gambino. We talked about it at the top of the show. I knew next to nothing about it. Just in the space of this show, I have learned more about it. But this is the first single. Bando Stone and the New World will be the album out July 19th. Is that the name of the album? That is the name of the film. I mean, it is. It is. Yes, it is. Okay. See, I'm sort of, you know, depending on you for this. I know it's all happening very fast. It is. So he's, there was a trailer for this film that he shared over the weekend. And it will star and be directed by Donald Glover featuring his. It's directed. Okay. This is a new album. So, uh, Lythonia, which is, you're right. It's, this doesn't sound like, you know, this is an Erica. What is it? What do you, what do you make of this song? I thought it was a great song, not anything like what I would expect from, from Donald Glover, which is why I was like, holy crap, this, this is a rock and tune. Big guitars, big sort of emo power ballad. Yeah. I, you know, it just for me sort of made me go, yeah, this guy is as amazing an artist as we imagined that he is not locked into any genre, you know, any time period, not even locked into any particular artistic pursuit, the guy does so many different things. So Lythonia is my, my first one, the second one, you know, I had to go. The Zach Bryan album finally came out on Friday, the great American bar scene. And I, there's a bunch of them that I could have picked. The one there's, he does one with Bruce, that's, that's really, really good. He has a lot of other special guests, but I picked 28, the song 28 from the great American bar scene. Just what happened to move me, you know, over the day yesterday, after listening to it the whole weekend, that was one, my current favorite. So there's my two. I'm going to echo, you know, both. I mean, certainly again, I was, went to see and was thinking about Childish Gambino, so with throw Lythonia on there, certainly, and Zach Bryan. I mean, look, you've heard me talk a lot. If you've been listening to us, you've heard me talk a lot about Zach Bryan since he emerged. This album, you know, as with the guy puts out music like rappers, constantly lots of it. This is another 19 songs, I believe. It's over an hour of music, you know, again, and this is always going to be, or at least in this phase, going to be the, the question with this guy is, they're going to be those who say, put out the 12 best songs and that's your album. And then they're going to be the fans who say, we like that it's just, give me all of it, even even the stuff that's not the A plus stuff, or doesn't feel totally finished. You know, that's the, that's his ethic. That's how he works. Juices his streaming numbers. Everybody's a winner. But look, what he does is great. He has rapidly ascended to filling stadiums and that, you know, the duet with Casey Musgraves was a number one hit. It's going to take time to absorb this record. I'm going to say the, the Springsteen duet, sandpaper, because it's clear how evident Nebraska was as an influence on this record. I mean, from the first few tracks, the way that these songs are constructed and recorded and the stories that he's telling, it's clear. Springsteen's always been there for him. That's always a touchstone in a reference when you look at what Zach Bryan does, but it feels really explicit on this album, which he acknowledges by then bringing out Bruce to do a song with him, but the song is great. It feels like it's Bruce joining for a Zach Bryan song. Not we're going to shoehorn Springsteen in here to do something. Hundred percent. So, you know, big thumbs up to that. And then the other one I want to mention, oddly enough is the Lana Del Rey and Quavo duet called Tough that came out last week, produced by Andrew Watt, like everything else. And I really like this song. You know, I've certainly said I blow a little hot and cold on Lana Del Rey. Sometimes the songs are great. Sometimes they just kind of drift away into the ether and it's not enough to hang on to. I really like this. It's sort of a melodic thing from Quavo, from Migos. It's more than just singing a hook from Lana. It feels really like a duet. I like this track a lot. I mean, she's announced, of course, that she's going to have the country album coming in the fall. I have no idea if this has any relation to that. If this is officially a Quavo song that she's on, if it isn't a Lana song, whatever it is, I like it. And it's really hooky, memorable, like strong song and recording. And we'll just mention Tacked on to that. For those of you for whom this sounds like an interesting thing. Patti Smith posted a performance video of her singing "Summertime Sadness" last week in Europe. I believe a Dublin show, and then I think she did it at Barcelona again. She covered the Lana song. It's really, it's great. It really works. It works. So if that sounds like you may have no interest in that at all. But if the idea of Patti Smith covering Lana Del Rey is interesting to you, go find that online and give it a listen because that's worth it. We won't put that on the playlist, it's not an official release. But if I'm talking about Lana Del Rey this week, go check that out. As soon as we're done here, I'm doing that. I haven't heard that one. That's great. So Roger, I have one really good one. And it is a new song from Deep Purple. Which just to say, there's a new song from Deep Purple is kind of amazing to say. Considering this band's first album came out in 1968. And three of the five current members are from, I think, the 1969 lineup when Ian Gillian joins. It's Ian Pace, though, the only original member of the drummer. Well, Ian Pace, Roger Glover, and Ian Gillian are there from kind of that first few years. Yeah. First few. Ian is from day one. But I mean, the song is called Lazy Sod. It's from a new album coming out in a couple of weeks called Equals One. And the album is produced again by Bob Esrin, one of my favorite producers. Worked on Kiss Destroyer and Pink Floyd the Wall and a lot of Al Scooper stuff. Does great work with Deep Purple. And this song is getting really great reviews. And it sounds like a classic deep purple song. I mean, and these guys are going out on tour. This album already is getting like 10 stars out of 10 out of like reviews out of the UK and stuff. And it's just incredible that a band that's been around for 50 plus years can put out music that a sounds great. B set still sounds like of them. Ian's voice sounds good. The music sounds like Deep Purple. It was really surprising to click on this and go, "Wow." Like immediately you like, "That's Deep Purple." I got to give it a listen. I was reading about it over the weekend. Somebody consequence or one of the music sites gave it this great. I was like, "You won't believe how good this new Deep Purple song is." And I meant to listen to it. And now with your endorsement, I'm going to go do it straight away. Did not see that coming. Yeah. And the song is called "Lazy sod." And apparently Ian was doing an interview and they asked him how many songs he's written over his career. And he said about 500. And the journalist said, "Well, Dolly Parton's written about 5,000. You lazy sod." So that's where he got the inspiration for the title for this song. So there you go. Definitely. I have to listen to that one. I was a fan of the original incarnation, but I was also a fan in the 80s. And when Joel and Turner was singing lead with them, "Wow, I love that era of them. But short-lived." So many good people have gone through those doors. Oh my god. They've been covered down. Yeah. Tommy Ballers. Everybody. Yeah. I know. Well, hell. I mean, who can you say except for maybe the Rolling Stones from the 60s are still putting up new music? It's encouraging. And touring it. It's called The Equals One More Time Tour. It starts in August, I believe. So there. You can listen to all of this stuff over on our Soundtrack playlist on Spotify. If you want to go from Quavo to Deep Purple, you can do that. Quavo to Deep Purple. Now there is Elite. But I think that's just about everything we've got for you on this edition of Sound Up. Go over to SoundUpPod.com to find out how you can be a part of our live. Sound Up Sound Up podcast. Taping an email. Send us your voicemails. Write down your concert reviews. Send us your questions. Whatever you want to do, you can find us at connect@sounduppod.com. Don't forget to give us a five-star rating on whatever platform you listen to Sound Up on. And we will catch you next time here on Sound Up. 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On episode #49 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan talk to New Wave legend Howard Jones about his new album “Live at the O2” and his upcoming tour dates with ABC and Haircut 100. In Music News, we discuss the launch of the Def Leppard/Journey tour, a scammer impersonating Steve Perry, the new Kendrick Lamar video, and the plummeting sales of the new Bon Jovi album. Alan files a report from the Childish Gambino album preview event and we have a listener review of Roger Daltrey, plus our New Music Picks of The Week including tracks from Zach Bryan, Lana Del Rey, Deep Purple, and more.
