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Additional fees, terms, and restrictions apply. See att.com/somson or visit any Tianti store for details. And as always, we have our new music picks of the week, but before we get to all of that, we've got several concert reviews from some of our sound up pod squad members. First up, our pal Sunita. Man, this woman is constantly out at shows. Sunita sent in this review of the Pixies. Sunita says, "Hi, guys. "Last week on a super-sweltering day, "I finally got to see the Pixies again "in a great triple bill with cat power and modest mouse. "Cat power was good, modest house was really great. "I am a huge fan of the Pixies. "This band, including new bassist Emma Richardson, "was excellent. "The setlist was fantastic, but Black Francis, "on those vocals, yikes. "I've been waiting nearly 30 years "to hear some of these songs live, "and I almost wish I hadn't. "Bad vocals side. "I walked away feeling like I experienced a full show "and was overall happy with my experience. "I am irked by the fact that nobody said a single word "to the audience the entire show. "Not even a Hey Detroit or a good night, not a word. "I'm not asking for lame banter "and don't even need a thank you, but AIT, AA. "For those who don't know, am I the asshole? "For just wanting a simple hello? "It just felt so impersonal. "I'm obviously not going to... "Yes. "I never heard that acronym before." Oh yeah, yeah. Popular internet acronym. Obviously not gonna cease to exist, given the lack of a goodbye, and sure the bigger question might be, "Why does this bother me so much?" But that's a question for a different podcast. Wondering where you guys stand on this if I have just wanting too much? Love this podcast. Always, Sunita. Isn't that oh so, you know, indie? You know that? No, hello, night, good night, no Detroit. Oh, you're here, fine. Just listen if you feel like it, we don't fucking care. I don't know. Is that the indie attitude? Or is it just unfriendly in 2024? Or sweltering hot and they're just looking to get the hell off the stage. Get the hell off the stage. You have strong feeling, any of you, anybody have strong feelings about the need to address or recognize the audience? I have strong feelings. If it's gonna be something that is really engaging, something that makes the audience feel like you as the artist are bringing them in, great. But are you having a good time? How many times during the show are you gonna ask me if I'm having a good time? That's bumming me out. Not having a good time while you're doing that. Right, exactly. So I don't know. What do you think? I never really, I don't care that much. I do feel like if they didn't, at some point, even at the end of the night, say, "Thank you, good night." Something, human, just human. I don't know that it would get under my skin like it did for Sunita, but maybe he doesn't seem too much to ask. I'm more concerned with her. I mean, she's been waiting this long to get to a Pixies show and finally gets there. And Francis is the sound of there. Francis sounds terrible. Yeah. That was, had you heard that before? I mean, we last saw Pixies a couple of years ago. Yeah, it's been a few for me too. I went with Adam to a Brooklyn steel show a few years back. That's the last I saw them. And they sounded great then. I didn't have any issues, vocal issues then. So I don't know if that's deterioration or bad night or, you know, where you send your expectations. I don't know. Right, maybe that's why they didn't address the crowd at all. Maybe it was just a bad vocal night for him. He's trying to save his voice. Sunita, always great to hear from you and glad that you get out to see so many shows and let us know about it. We appreciate it. We got another pod squad member, our friend Tim Kendall, recently saw Alan's buddy Bonnie Rate, who I didn't realize that Bonnie was out playing yet. I thought she was going out to later. She's still going. She's kept going. She's kept adding. She's kept extending. She just came through. She just played Newark. She was just in the area. It was while I was out of town at my son's graduation. And that's the only reason I didn't make that trip. But yeah, she can't stop, won't stop. So Tim recently saw Bonnie and sent in this audio review, Tim. Message for SoundUp, the only music podcast that matters. This is Tim Kendall and Cleveland's 17 Candles with the K. Concert review, Bonnie Rate, Saturday nights. Live at the Akron Civic Center. Great show, opening band, The James Hunter 6. Highly recommend if you want to go back to the early '60s for a soulful R&B and just tight musicianship sound live. I was blown away. Let's see here, Bonnie starts the show. Little mellow. She gives us 17 songs. The band is Ricky Faterre, Dondromes. He is from South Africa, actually. James Hutch Hutchinson on bass. Been playing with her a while. Glenn Patche, who's on keys. Also from Winnipeg. She covered a band from Winnipeg. Duke Levine, guitar, and vocals. I think that dude broke out the mandolin for one song. And they sounded great. Lots of covers. Familiar ones that you would expect from Bonnie. One by John Hyatt was track number two. Thing called love. The theme to the show was the loss of COVID casualties and the passage of time and getting older. She even self-deprecated about her age and her voice. And it was good. Mentioned John Prine, more than once, covered Angel from Montgomery. Also mentioned a song that she was writing with or for John Prine. And I don't know which one it was. And it's driving me mad. 'Cause they're talking about a cook in the kitchen and the woman out front running their place. And Becky and I sometimes think about getting their own place. So I don't know what song it was. It's driving me mad. 'Cause there's a lot of covers. There's a Dylan cover. There's a Oliver Matukudzi cover who's in Zimbabwe art as we lost. Toots cover. And then the brothers Landreth made up my mind. That's the Winnipeg band. So she had a guy from Winnipeg in her band and then covers a band from Winnipeg. We got three song encore. I started with "I Can't Make You Love Me." But the big song for me would have been "Living for the Wands." Favorite singles she put out a couple of years ago. And that song pretty much is the theme lyrically for the entire show. She's talking about getting about a bed and still making music and "Living for the Wands" who didn't make it. That's exactly the theme. But she closes Angel from Montgomery. The crowd goes crazy and then launches in the "Living for the Wands." And I don't think everyone knows it as well. And I'm just like, yeah, I got excited. So it's just the way it works. I guess overall we hadn't seen Bonnie before. So I am very happy we went. And I highly recommend going to see her if you haven't. It almost gave me a Bob Dylan live feel the way the crowd reacted to her. And yeah, have a good day. - Okay, Tim. - Bonnie is never not great. There's nothing to say. - Absolutely, absolutely. - And I'm not sure which song he's the most recent album she had a couple of songs that she said were inspired by Prime. - By Prime, yeah. - And that she wrote sort of in that storytelling in the kind of prime way of writing. And I imagine that's the song that he's thinking about. If you want to go back to look at her original songs on the last album. Sounds like she's mixed up the band a little bit from the last I saw. I don't recognize that guitar player, Ricky Fattara. - Ricky Fattara, right. - Not much of it to have been with her forever. Keyboard players kind of rotate. There's a few that are in there, but Duke Levine, she said was the guitar player who I don't know. That's often George Marinelli, but she doesn't miss, so. - It's true. And she's, although obviously she is a songwriter, she's not known as a songwriter. She's known as a song interpreter. And some of the, like Angel from Montgomery is to this day, just her cover of that. And the same thing with. - Thing called love. - Thing called love, thing called love, same thing. - No, you're totally right, but it's why that last album was so exciting 'cause she did do more writing. - Yeah. - And then when she won that song of the year, Grammy, being recognized as a songwriter was such a huge thing. - Perfect. - Since it isn't, you know, what most of the stuff she records is, so. All right, we got some more shows, man. Pod, Squatter, Erica, went to see Ryan Adams recently and filed this report. - Oh boy. - Or continued it, she filed a lengthy report. If you want me to jump in at any point, if you need the water break, signal right over here. - Just spell me when I get to the third mile marker. So let's see, Erica says, I went to see Ryan Adams in Charleston, South Carolina, June 22nd. It was a sold out show. He played from 8.15 to 11.30 and it was magical. He told stories, chatted with the crowd and made up songs on the spot. Ryan told stories about living in the Chelsea Hotel and about how 16 days is about the movie Silkwood before he played wrecking ball. He talked about how he'd written it about his grandmother's passing. There wasn't a dry eye around me by the time that he finished playing it. He was a real person, just hanging out for the night and bringing all of us along for the ride. His set list was spot on as always. He threw in a couple of covers because music should be shared with everyone, he must have said from the stage. Ryan has the ability to hold a crowd captive with his music. The crowd hung on to every note. I've been a fan for a long time and I've seen Ryan about a dozen times. I know, not that much. I can honestly say that it was the best concert that I have been to. It was of his that I've been to. It was also the best concert I have been to in the last few years. It was so wonderful to be in the moment and sharing that collective experience with everyone around me and especially with my daughter. The concert was at the newly reopened Riviera Theatre, Charleston, South Carolina. It's a perfect place for a concert. It's a small intimate setting. The staff was amazing and friendly. They even let Ryan play as long as he wanted to. Wow, what, no unions down there? What venue does that anymore? It was the first concert that I've been to in about 10 years when half the crowd wasn't talking. I even had the chance to meet Ryan after the show. He was so sweet and nice. My daughter was a casual fan, but she turned into a super fan overnight. Sounds like a good night and I find it interesting. No mention of, you know what, regarding Ryan. And I don't know which night, she said June 22nd, it was somewhere around there. The coverage around these recent Ryan out on the show was he started talking a bunch of shit about Jason Isbell on stage at one of these shows. Those guys who were friends and worked together. And it's one of these like, is this a joke? Is this like, there's some beef? Did he just wake up with a bad attitude? Like what is this all about? But that was what was circulating is Ryan, you know, there are nights when he can turn off the wild card aspect or at least channel it into something productive and there are still the nights when he doesn't. Constant step forward, step back for this guy. I mean, I guess he feels it's okay if he wants to sort of disguise, it's not a problem. I don't understand, Ryan, it seems with that comment, I didn't realize that that was happening, but it's like he can't get out of his own way. - Well, story of a career, story of a lifetime, right? - What the hell? - So, but you know, he has settled into where I think there is a very dedicated, I don't wanna say cult in a bad way, but there's a loyal, there are fans like this who will go see him lots and lots of times and knowing you're gonna get what you're gonna get and a woman, by the way, going to see him. - And, you know, but the notion that he was the sort of escalating career for Ryan, sort of blew up a long time ago and then obviously really blew up when the allegations came around, which, you know, again, it's another one of these, he's never, whatever it is. I don't know nothing, I don't know what happened, I don't know anything, but there was never any apology or recognition or acknowledgement of any of that stuff, just something that he really dug his heels in. And so this is sort of where it's gonna, you know, I think where it's gonna be. - Okay, I'm glad I'm not his manager. So we do love hearing from you, we love your comments, your audio messages, concert reviews, thoughts on our weekly Tuesday episode, we love getting into all of that. As always, you can send random questions, random thoughts in whenever you like and we will use those on our next mailbag show, which is coming soon, we have more info on that coming up. But you go to sounduppod.com or email us at connect@sounduppod.com with your comments, reviews and questions. - Real quick, we got a couple more that we wanna get in here. I just wanted to mention, this is not a concert review, but I call it just a shout out. Last week, I did go down to Austin. I was invited to speak at a conference of music educators at the LBJ library in Austin last week. I just wanna shout out to music teachers. These were mostly high school music teachers who were there. There were others, there were college, there were elementary school, there were different people teaching at different ages. But especially at this moment in our history, especially knowing what's happening to their budgets, especially knowing what's happening to their curricula and what they are and are not allowed to deal with in their classrooms to be around these good people who are fighting the fight and could not have been more passionate about the work that they do was hugely inspiring. So I wanna review them and give them a full A+, plus for the work that they do. And really it was a privilege to be able to come down and talk to them. Also cool to see the LBJ library. I've never seen any of those presidential libraries. And there is an exhibit that's a history of music in America exhibit that our friend Bob Santelli put together that had some really excellent items in there, especially good springsteen stuff. Since he's got his springsteen, they had the T-AC four track that springsteen recorded Nebraska on as it was one of the displays. But anyway, so if you're passing through Austin, go swing over and check that out. All right, couple more concert reviews, keep things moving. Our friend Janet in Detroit sent in this review of her favorite and our old friend, Brandy Carlisle. - I caught an amazing show over the weekend and wanted to share a review. I adore Brandy Carlisle. And since she's not playing many shows this year, I jumped at the chance to take a road trip to the Rochester, New York area to see her play at an outdoor shed called C-Mac. This was an acoustic trio show with Brandy and the Hans Roth twins. In addition, the duo Sista Strings joined them to sing and play cello and violin for a portion of the show. The Hans Roth twins have their own album coming out at the end of July, and they played a nice opening set of their originals, plus a cover of a racers, a little respect. I know you've talked about how siblings have an extra something special in the way their voices mesh together. And it's always a real treat to listen to Tim and Phil Harmonize. As for the main set to quote one of Brandy's songs, "What can I say?" Her shows are always simply stunning. People constantly look at each other and just shake their heads in awe while smiling. You almost laugh at how ridiculously powerful her voice is while being amazed by the note she can hit. Add in the harmonies from the twins and the orchestration from Sista Strings, and it was just over two hours of pure joy. I'm always blown away by Brandy and the twins and this acoustic show was a special treat for sure. Definitely worth the road trip. - That's awesome. - What are you gonna say? - Yeah. - Brandy's not doing many shows this year, which is good. She's earned a break and it's probably good for her to take a break. So this was one of the occasional dates that she's doing. Janet, we know as a super fan. So of course she was gonna make it there, which is great. And yeah, I'm really interested to hear what the Hanseroff twins record is going to be. - Yeah, it's clear. I mean, we hear them when they play, you know, when they play with Brandy. And wow, then they haven't put out anything before, have they? - Not as far as I know, under their name. - Yeah, that's what I mean. Wow. - So that's cool. - I know that's coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's really good. We got one more, our friend Lindsey in Oklahoma, T-cup, Wolverine, and Tulsa. Watch the Celine Dion documentary, which I've actually heard great things about. So curious to hear what she has to say about it. - Their favorite book called "Me Checking In" was a documentary review this time. I watched the Celine Dion doc last night. I was around a town. So it was the perfect thing to do by myself. It was heartbreaking. It was just severely heartbreaking to watch this one whose whole life is your voice and what a voice she had to suffer from this horrible and so rare disease. I mean, of all the people that could hit this disease, I mean, that's just extra cruel that she did. Give this disease no offense to John Montgomery, Stephen Tyler, other artists who have had these issues that have affected their voice and they can't be 100%. I mean, she can barely be 10% of what she was. And so it was just, I mean, there were parts in it that I was just, I mean, just their tears or which she had an episode where she was fascinating. I mean, it was just really hard to watch. So she's really brave, I think, for letting people into her world. Not a lot of artists, I don't think could do that. It was really, really good. - Thank you, Lindsay. I haven't watched that yet, but I know the story and what it's right. - And that's everything that I've heard about the film is that it really is very intimate, bold. She puts out there and we'll need to watch it for sure given what this reaction is. Feeling particularly good about Celine Dion this week because she did show up on Friday night at the NHL Draft and announced the pics from my Montreal Canadiens in the first round. So the city of Montreal is very much in the thrall of Celine Dion right now. - Love that, love that. All right, thanks to everybody who sent us voicemails, sent us emails, the reviews. We love that, do continue to do just that. Anything that's on your mind, we were just talking about it a minute ago. Sounduppod.com, if you wanna get to us, feel free. On any topic, we do have a mailbag show coming up. We'll let you know exactly when we nail that down. But stay right where you are. We're gonna take a fast break. We've got some music news for you on Soundup Next. - This is Soundup with Mark Goodman and Alan White, the only music podcast that matters. - Welcome back to Soundup. We've got our conversation with the warning coming up in just a few. Stay right where you are. Before we get to that though, we do have a bunch of music news to get to. So what's up first? - Well, I guess we'll start with the eyes of the world are on Glastonbury, the premier festival, music festival on the planet. It's been happening over in England. And over the weekend, cold play, your friends in cold play, Mark. Headline. - What a view, selfie. - Yeah. Ever since AT&T got me their best deal on the new Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 6, my selfie game's been on point. This deal has me. - Shouting at Los Quatro Vientos. - Yeah, how'd you know? AT&T hooked me up too. Learn how to get the new Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 6 on us with eligible trading in a year, any condition. Connecting changes everything. (upbeat music) Request trading of Galaxy as Noter C-Series smartphone limited time offered 256 gigabytes for $0. Additional fees, terms, and restrictions apply. 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Chris Martin announced with his Chuck Berry riff and the way he punched Biff. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Michael J. Fox. Fox who of course has been battling Parkinson's disease since the 90s was in a wheelchair for the performance. After the performance, Chris said, the main reason we're in a band is because of Back to the Future. So thank you to Michael, our hero. - Oh my God, that's amazing. - Little Sims also joined for this performance. And yeah, 1999, 2002, 2005, 2011, 2016. And this year, Coldplay as Glastonbury Headliners. Of course, last week we told you that the band's 10th album, Moon Music, was announced coming out on October the 4th and the first single feels like I'm falling in love. Just came out, was one of Mark's new music picks last week. Stick around for our new music picks for this week. And they continued, the Music of the Spheres tour continues set to end in New Zealand in November. - So the Music of the Spheres tour continues and the new album is coming out like five minutes after. - Not even after, the new album's out in October and they're still playing on this tour in the paper. - That's weird. - That's an odd, they'll do a few shows to, you know, premiere the new stuff and then it's a favorite, it's very curious. - All right, don't get it. - Here's another one we don't get. - Don Henley sues to get back disputed eagles lyric sheets. Alan, I'm going to defer to you what the F is going on. Didn't we solve this? - Yeah, so you will recall that charges against memorabilia dealer Edward Kacinski and former Rock and Roll Hall of Fame curator Craig in CRD were dropped back in March, having to do with the, what was alleged, the theft and resale of Don Henley's handwritten lyrics from the Hotel California album. And now Henley has filed a new suit asking for the return of those notebooks. His attorney Daniel Petrosselli said, these 100 pages of personal lyric sheets belong to Mr. Henley and his family and he has never authorized defendants or anyone else to peddle them for profit. So my understanding is just that this is a distinction between the previous suit was for conspiring to possess stolen property in conjunction with an attempted auction of the lyric sheets. The material was originally acquired from Ed Sanders who had been given the lyrics decades ago while he was researching a book on the Eagles that was never completed. The New York District Attorney's Office kept the Eagles lyrics in its custody following the criminal proceeding as officials try to sort out their rightful ownership. The lawsuit argues because Kacinski and NC already have wrongly claimed ownership of Henley's lyric sheets, a declaration from this court that Henley is the lawful owner is needed to supply satisfactory proof of his title and facilitate the DA's return of Henley's lyrics sheets to Henley. So this isn't a suit against, they're not looking for damages, they're not looking for anybody, they're not looking for any punishment in this. This is just what hasn't been ruled on is okay, that case was ultimately thrown out. So whose property are the notebooks? If that wasn't decided, then... - What was decided, right? - This is the suit to say we should get that stuff back. - And doesn't that, it seems as though it falls into the same column as what's happening with the Met in New York and returning stolen artifacts to different, in Africa, there's several things. Isn't it the same thing? This guy, it's not Henley's fault, he deserves his property back. - It still doesn't get to the fundamental question of what the understanding was or at what point, as we've said, he gave these notebooks, stuff like handwritten lyrics was worth not much money in the 70s, this market wasn't established. He gave a bunch of this research to add Sanders to his gonna write a book on the Eagles. That book doesn't happen and it goes away. - Meantime, Henley doesn't ask for any of the stuff back. Sanders has it sitting in a closet somewhere. The entire market around memorabilia explodes and he realizes, hey, I'm sitting on a pole, something that's worth a huge stack of money here and I'll put it, as we've said, it just gets into this weird area. So many of these Beatles lyrics, these Dylan lyrics that go to auction so often are like people saying I just found them left in the studio. - Right. - Right, they left the session, they left. These papers were here with their notes on them. I picked it up and now I'm selling it for $500,000. - Right. - So what is a gift? What is just sort of up for grabs because nobody cared or wanted it and what is stolen? Is a seems to me like a very odd gray area that the throwing out of this case didn't establish that. So this gets us back to, well, who does this belong to 50 years later? And I guess we'll see if this moves forward, you know, this is again, this isn't about putting the people who were selling it in jail or selling them. - Right, right. - It's just about-- - About getting them to the rightful owner. - If this doesn't happen, what happens to these notebooks? They go back to the dealers who were trying to sell them. Is that the other alternative? So-- - I think we get them, don't we? - Is that how it works? - We just get them. It's thorny, I mean, like I said, it would seem that because there's this dispute over, you know, Henley claimed in the first trial, he never gave permission, he loaned them. He said he never gave permission for Ed Sanders to hold on to those lyrics. So that apparently stood up in court. So now here we are. - It was such an inconclusive thing in court because Henley's team introduced all this new information in the middle of the trial where the judge was like, you know, called him in trial and said, you can't, that's not how this works. You can't do that. So we never got any sort of conclusion to that. So, you know, I get the difference between what that was and what this was. But I don't know, as you said, it's also like the Met or any, you know, the British Museum giving back these stolen artifacts. And that's after hundreds of years. This is after 50 years. So I don't know what the, you know, how those sorts of claims work. So-- - To be continued. - Yes. - To be continued. Bad news, after just four months, the revival of the Who's Tommy is closing on Broadway. It was successful in its pre-Broadway run in Chicago, a strong opening in New York. It's sort of tapered off quickly. The show's stint on Broadway kicked off in March and its final performance is now set for July 21st. So if you're heading to New York, you better get some tickets quickly. I thought it was a fun show. I had a good time. I thought it was entertaining. The music is the music. It is what it is. If you love it, you love it. If you don't, or if it's old, then it's old. But once officially closed, the revival of Tommy will have played 20 previews and 132 proper Broadway performances the revenue brought in during this time wouldn't even be enough to offset its $15 million, $15.7 million budget. - Oh no, those take the-- - The Who, Broadway never recoups. Unless you have a match. - Which show just recouped the And Juliet show with the Max Martin songs after almost two years just announced that they recouped? I mean, those are, it takes a long time to get that money back. - Which is why I'm always dumbfounded. Like, why do you want to bother with Broadway? It's a losing game. - It is a losing game. It is a tough catch, like opening a restaurant. That is a tough game. And apparently Pete's sort of awkward appearance on the Tony's the other week was not enough to strike the sales and buy some more time. - He did the same thing at the Tony's that he did that night of the opening. He was like, well, I don't know. I'm kind of have a laissez-faire attitude about this. He was like, he was back on the side. Like, oh yeah, you guys want to do that? Sure, go ahead. - You know, he's sort of disavowed. - And in related news, you mentioned Huey loss. - Yeah, and I think, did I tell the story really quick on the air that night when I went to the Tommy premiere. And that was the same night that in New York City, three presidents were in town raising money for the Democratic party at Radio City. The sixth avenue was shut off. I was walking up a side street to get a cab and who do I bump into coming from his show by Huey Lewis after I had seen Tommy that night. And he's like, you gotta come and see our show. Damn it. - That's not gonna happen. - Tommy is off. That is not gonna happen. And you know, that's an item feel bad for Pete as well because it's, you know, it's sort of, it's not a triumph. You know, it's a bit of a stumble. But Huey has been working on this. I mean, I want to say 15 years, 13 years, something like that. And what a heartbreak. Over the weekend was the final performance of the Heart of Rock and Roll, the musical using the music of Huey Lewis in the news. Huey said, I'm, on that night, I'm still looking for the sweet and bitter sweet. I've thought about that show, thought about this show every day almost constantly for about eight months now. And tomorrow that's going to stop. And that's a very sad thing for me. He said, holding back tears, show open in April. So, you know, more or less, these both did a few months and out. - Right. Look, Broadway is still having, for all that we've talked about. I mean, now we're starting to see some cracks in the touring concert business, but touring concert business has been thriving and travel. And these in a lot of ways that people are spending money have come back, bounced back really big after pandemic. Broadway continues to struggle and has not figured out a post lockdown strategy. The idea that people travel for shows, the price point for Broadway shows, the whole structure of it is clearly not working. And you're seeing a lot of them come and go pretty quick, which as we've said, is a lot of investment to come and go pretty quick. - Indeed, it is. And I mean, it seems that the things overall over the last 20 years that work on Broadway or Disney things. And that real theater people are kind of upset about that. - It's revivals and, you know, movie IP. That's sort of where it's at. It's established brand names and Michael Jackson. But these did not get much runway. - Yeah, it didn't get much traction. All right, we're gonna take a fast pause here. We've been promising. We have been fans of this band for many, many years. In fact, back in the day on our SiriusXM show, Alan and I had them on our show. The warning, the sister rock and roll trio will join us in conversation next. This is "Sound Up" with Mark Goodman and Alan White, the only music podcast that matters. - Welcome back to "Sound Up" as promised. We have out of Mexico, three sisters, three metal rockers. The band is "The Warning" from Monterey, Mexico. It is the Villarreal Velez sisters, Daniella, Paulina, and Alejandra. They have released four studio albums, two EPs, 15 music videos and some great ones. - What of you, selfie? - Yeah, ever since AT&T got me their best deal on the new Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 6, my selfie game's been on point. 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Must be 21 years or older terms and conditions apply. - Just out on their new album. Just out this past week, the studio album called Keep Me Fed. I wanna welcome some old friends. Well, they're not really old, but they are long time friends. We've got Danny, Paul, and Ollie. It's the warning. They are back. Ladies, it is so great to see you. I guess it's been, Alan, you can help me out. It's been at least three years since we've seen you, maybe four. - Back in our straight radio days, you guys came up and played live. - It's SiriusXM, yes. - It's SiriusXM, and we continue to talk about it. And I couldn't tell you how many years that was. - Well, you look the same. You haven't aged a day. That's beautiful. The new record, we've gotten what five singles, I think, in advance of this new record, which, when people are here in this, we'll have been out about a few days. And in looking at all of the videos, you did great videos for all of them. And listening to the songs, I sense a real growth. Every one of you is crushing on your instruments. Paul, I'm dying. You're like, you're getting to be a little Keith Moon action happening there, doing fills all over the place. And all of you, Ollie, on the bass, I'm serious, vocals, everything just sounds so much better. - Thank you, thank you so much. - Is that, you know, you've also been touring all over the place with incredible people, the Foo Fighters, the Sammy Hagar, and Lizzie Hale, Taylor Momsen, are those things related? Have you taken things away from working with those acts that you've now sort of incorporated into yours? - Well, first of all, thank you. And we are very proud and conscious of the growth that we've had over the past few years. And the way that we implemented it into the album, like we purposely like pushed ourselves on this album to show that. And of course, like with every tour that we've had and with every musician that we've ever played with, you learn something and obviously you take little things. And it's not like on purpose, it's like, oh my God, I saw that and I know I'm gonna do that. But sometimes you just learn from seeing them play. And we've been touring over the past two years with incredible, incredible musicians. So of course, I feel like that has influenced us in some way or another. - Does it just feel like it's more experience, it's better everything ratchets up or does it feel like there's different? I mean, in a song like Burn Out, there's almost this like funk thing going on that feels like a different sort of a path. Like, are you aware of that you're actually growing and expanding what you're doing? Or is it just a better version of where you are? - You know, we like to see this album as a space where we let loose a little bit more, you know? We just wanted to write what was happening to it. It's like a little time capsule of our last, I feel like two years in feelings and in experiences, for sure. We pushed ourselves and our sound as well. - And I feel like it's exactly what you said, but I think it's both, like we know what we did and we left open the possibility of like, we could go anywhere within our genre. We have so many variations of rock within the same album. And if I can say so, like, I feel like it's pretty well done within each like sub genre. And... - You may say so, you're allowed. - I'm proud of what we did. So I feel like it leaves the space for us, like in the next album and the next single or whatever. Whatever we write next, we can literally go anywhere. - 'Cause it still sounds like us, even though it's kind of like, I feel like, I mean it still is, it works. - So here we are all of these years down the road into your career and you are getting a bit older. And I'm wondering, especially now, especially based on what you guys are saying right now, how much do we get to know each of you from these songs? I mean, there's a couple of songs, like "Automatic Son". Give me your psychosomatic love. Look what you're doing to me. The way you hurt me is never enough. This addiction is hard to give up. Anybody having love relationship problems around here? What? - Well, more than anything, I feel like love is such a universal thing. And it's something that people can relate to. And honestly, whether like, we live life and we share bits of it during with our music, but nobody will ever know. It's a secret, are we, are we not? We won't know, but you get the music. - And that's what you can base things off of, yeah. - So is that a yes or a no that we get to know you're not? Maybe. - You do get to know it as like, or hurts, but. - From all of those directions, obviously, the album set, the album title, "Keep Me Fed", speaks to, I'd imagine, all of these things, creatively, professionally, personally, all of those things. Did you know, did you have that as a title and sort of a mission statement? Like when did that present itself? - You know, actually, not really. The title came to us at the very end of the whole thing. But we were really thinking about what we wanted to say and what all these songs kind of like together, what was like the conclusion or what happened. And it's just like, this, "Keep Me Fed" is what we see nowadays, you know? Everyone wants to be fed in a way of something through social media, through entertainment, through something that takes them out of, in every moment, they have to live something, you know? And us as well, just like, inspiration-wise, we feed on life and on different music, different entertainment to create and feed what people are waiting for us, you know, our music. So it's just like this. - So it looks like Michael. - Yes, "Keep Me Fed" was a lyric on a song. And that's how it ended up being the title. But making the title for this album was just, - It was, it was really unique. - Yeah. - But it fit perfectly. - Yeah. We love it. As you tour more, last year you were for the first time, as you grow as artists, as you grow as people, as you grow as writers, what, if anything, has changed in your relationship to each other? Are you fighting more now, or less? No, no, I'm being serious. Look, a certain amount of success changes your life and it changes the way you regard others. - Just having more, having more and more experiences. - Exactly. - For sure. You know, I feel like what has grown, 'cause there was always there, it's just understanding. - Yeah. - Yeah. - For sure, because we do notice more and more that we live through the same things, but we are all different. - Yeah. - And we process it in different ways. And just kind of like being, leaving that space open to understand each other and hear each other out. - I feel like we're more aware of what everyone could be going through. We understand each other more. So we give each other the space to do what we feel it. And we don't fight more, or we don't fight less. I mean, we're still sisters, but I feel like everything that we go through, it has a lot of potential to keep us, like, to make us drift apart. They're very big experiences. I don't know how to explain them, but they're very big feelings, and, but thankfully, we respect each other a lot, not only like as human beings and as like partners in the panel, but obviously like as family. And with that respect comes a lot of understanding and just knowing that when we grow, we grow together. So when we give ourselves like that space to allow each other to like be. - No, unlike how that support. I feel like it's what's really keeping us afloat in these like very hectic times. - Do you have to kind of protect your personal life? Do you have to carve out time to make sure that you have like a regular human being kind of life as opposed to a rock star life? - We know what this life demands of us, and we know it's important, and we'll always strive for that. But we also are just kind of like fighting, not fighting. - No, I mean, crying about is a good way to say it. 'Cause there is no space for it. Like, let's be real, there is no time, no space. And we actively have to ask for it. Like demand like, hey, we need one day, just one please. And we understand like the three of us are very conscious that even though like, we're not gonna lie, we've been doing this nonstop for the past two years, like touring and everything. (indistinct) And we are tired, like there's no going around that. We are very tired. But we know that this is the time. - It's the moment. - It's the moment. - The moment. - And we've been preparing for it our whole lives. And we're conscious that we have to make these sacrifices right now. And we still ask for like one day or two days. If we're greedy, we ask for a week, and we're lucky if we get it. But we are conscious that we're very lucky to be limitless. So we just wanna like really. - And especially expressing that it will help us, you know? It will make us feel. - It will make us feel. - It'll make a function better. - Exactly. - And just kind of like ready to take the next, you know, two month tour. (laughing) - Kind of follow up on that. And kind of following up on the first thing that Mark asked. I mean, you have played these shows on these huge stages with Foo Fighters, with Guns N' Roses, with, you know, that level. Not what did you take musically from that, but what, just being inside the operation of something at that scale, looking at those kind of careers. What do you just walk, you know, what do you learn from being in the orbit of these Hall of Fame bands? - That's what you learn from the most. - For sure. - The whole crew. - Like I don't know if you can like exactly pinpoint what you learn, but like unconsciously, like we all learn so much and not only the three of us, but like our whole team, like as a whole our operation, every time we go on tour with someone, it just gets better. 'Cause we learn like tiny, like even though they're like small things, like we just get back to a piano. - Oh, you're in like the straws. - Like, you know, like the water bottles, like we bought like a whole puncher for like the water bottles to put like straws in. For like, it's just for the lipstick. It's just like a really tiny little thing. Like that's like a really like tiny thing, but like it's just everything. - What does it mean for them? - And like these are the waters on like, on like a little, like a crate. And it's, you know, a lot of crates. So it's, you know, it's just like the small things, and that's like something I just like remember, 'cause it just happened. We're like, we all grow so much to like schedules and like to like organizing everything. And we just grow so much as a team in our whole like operation. And our whole shows just like grow so much every time. - We're sponges. - Yeah, we really are. - Every time we come back from tour, we learn so much from everything. Even when we're just like headlining and like from different venues and like everyone we know. - And all you us, but our whole team. - Like everything has like, we're, and we're ready to learn. - Yeah, I feel like everyone has a disposition. Like to grow. - To grow and grow. - Yeah. - What about, there's people who are your age. I mean, you're between what, 19 and 23 now, I guess? Or 20 and 24 or something? - 24. - 24, oh my God, ancient. You're sort of, you're moving through those things. You're getting a little bit older. And how, how has it changed? How has this and your age changed? How you relate to your friends? Are your friends looking at you differently? Are they, you know, treating you a little better than maybe you were before you were in this internationally successful rock and roll band? - You know, I feel like what's interesting is not that the way that they treat us. 'Cause I feel like, but in the sense that they're catching up, when in like work wise. - And like this experience and services. - 'Cause when we started off this. - Yeah, fine. - Yeah, 'cause when we started this, people were going to parties and we're meeting new people and we're like- - I was in middle school. - My friends are so nice. - I was in middle school. I love that. - I didn't relate to a lot of stuff. 'Cause like, how can I tell you? Like, when you told me how the party was and I was like, well, I was, I was recording. Like, I don't, like, yeah. And right now everyone's working. - Everyone's turned around. - They can't see each other. - They can't see each other. - They don't know how to manage the time. They don't know how to manage like their tiredness. - Like sometimes they're like, my friends are so like, not- - Well, yeah, you're making it. - But it is like, they don't treat us differently, but it's just like, at this point I see like, we just share different life experiences. 'Cause like, I don't experience what they experience, or like I come back from a trip and they're like, oh, I'm like, how was school? Like, what are you doing? What are like, how was school? Like, you're not, but like, it's true. 'Cause like, I don't get to experience that. You're like, no, I have to do this. And I'm like, oh, I just came back from like this. And like, it's weird. 'Cause like, I don't find what they do normal and they don't find what I do normal. So it's just like, it's just like talking about like, very different lives and it's like normal for us, I guess. - So we live in a time where on the pop side, it is completely dominated by women. Like, it's all female energy, all of the pop charts, the 10 biggest acts in the world that kids would just go to war for. They're all women, all of your oxide. It's been sort of building. And we said, you've played with hailstorm you've played with, pretty reckless. And, you know, some of these bends, but it hasn't ratcheted up to that thing. Do you see, you know, any sort of, I won't say comparable growth where you're doing, you know, Taylor Swift numbers. But does it feel like there's a momentum again in the way that it's totally won over on the pop side where there is any shift on the rock side that you can feel out there? - Well, I feel like there is a shift, obviously. I mean, just like we're getting the opportunities that we're getting and we're getting those spaces and those slots and festivals and those type of things and that we're filling out these venues. It means that people aren't looking for that. People want to see that, and also like women, I feel like we want to see ourselves represented in the genres that we like. So there is a shift. Hopefully, like in a few years, you can see the same thing. Like the charts are dominant, like the rock chairs are dominated by women. Oh my God. - I'm excited for a festival season, 'cause that's usually where you see it the most when it's only rock festivals. And like we're going to be a part of Aftershock and a lot of the life and later in the year. And we're gonna like experience, you know, that next step in the shift probably. - Oh yeah, and I'm like, as we start going up, like time slots and festivals and stuff like that, you start seeing that people like do like that. And like there is this space for it. So I got like hopefully over the next few years, we just see of like meteor, I can't say about meteor, meteor like meteor. Like meteor, like meteor is good. - It's good, you got it. - Yeah, like a meteor. - It's like a meteor, it's just like a meteor. I don't know exactly what the process is that the warning goes through to come up with songs who introduces, who flushes out, is it different all the time? But what I do see is that there's a lot of people, God, I hate to say this 'cause I sound like an old fuck, but in your generation, there's a lot of kids in your generation who are, they're experiencing anxiety and depression. And more than ever, that's what we're writing, what they're writing about. - We hear an over and over from everybody that comes on, which is great in that people feel free to do it, but it's terrifying in that that's what everybody wants to talk about. - Right, so like I look at sick, life is nothing more than passing time. Give me violence, kill the silence, 'til it makes me feel sick. Where's that coming from? And who came up with that lyric? - Okay, I think it was me, but okay, context. I feel like lipstick is the perfect place to let a lot of that out. And I feel especially in our generation, we are having like higher anxiety levels, higher depression levels, just like because of the connectivity that we live in, there's just so much of it everywhere that you can't help but to fall into it as well. But sick, it's actually not a depressing song, which I am very proud about, yeah. - Okay. - You'll have to explain that one. - So sick is about fearing that you missed out on something. And in this case, just something is that you fear, that you missed out on like making mistakes, that you didn't have, like especially like us, we started working when we were very young. So we didn't go through the normal like years where people mess up and they had the liberty to learn from it, we didn't get that. So sick is about grieving for that and saying like, you know what, to hell with it, I want to do that. I want to make mistakes, I want to regret things. I just want to go out there and so like give me violence, kill the silence, 'til it makes me sick. Like throw it at me 'cause I want it. - I want it, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - And I feel like people at one point in their lives, maybe it's not the same thing as us, but like they feel like, what if I went down that road? - Yeah, exactly. - Like what would have, you know. - One more writing question, you guys do continue to go back and forth between writing, writing and singing in Spanish and in English. How do you know which way it's gonna fall? Is it just a sound? Is it a feel? Is it a decision up front? This one we should do this way or that way? How does that choice get made? - It's a decision up front, it's a decision up front. But you know, this time around, the song definitely told us, we had a song in English and we were like, no. This song is screaming. - This song is screaming. - Make me in Spanish. - Yeah, and we-- - Right, right, right, right. - The sound of the-- - Why, yeah. - The sound of the-- - The sound of the-- - The difference. - Yeah, but then I clearly, the melody had enough syllables for it to make sense in Spanish and it sounded kinda choppy in English. And you're like, oh no, this makes more sense in Spanish. But I don't know how to explain it. Just like, oh, we hear it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It just kind of, it just kind of-- - It's just kind of sense, you just know. And we meet, like, we make a point out of including at least one song in Spanish in each album that we make. Well, at least from like, since we signed-- - Exactly. - A deal. - So, we knew that we had to have a song in Spanish, and we didn't have it. And then we found this song that we had written and we were like, it makes no, like, it feels like it should be in Spanish. So, we just grabbed it and we rewrote it and it worked out perfectly. - Gotta ask about the videos. Mark mentioned the videos at the top. You're taking big swings on the videos. - Yeah. - And these have been, you did this whole, you know, murder mystery, cop chase, you know, sabotage video with K. Masquieras, which seemed to set up a sequel at the end. But then-- - Yeah. - And then on burnout, shift over to this very hilarious fake American Idol, you said it through the writing. You're very, very tired. It's time to cast some new, some new members of the warning, which looks like it must have been incredibly fun to do this casting call with kids to bring in. So, what was the choice to lean in hard on the video side? - Oh, yeah. - So, we finally got budgets. I feel like that's-- - Yes. - That's fine. (all laughing) - Yay, we could actually record something. So, I actually directed-- - Yeah. - Masquieras, along, like, I co-directed it. And I wrote, like, scripted it, I don't know, I don't know how to say it on the pledge honestly. - Oh, yeah. - But, and it was very fun to have us have a creative control and, like, what I saw the song as to be visually represented and to have fun. I feel like, "Gemmasquieras" is a song that, lyrically, it shouldn't be taking, like, literally. - It's seriously, yeah. - Like, too seriously. So, I feel like we needed to do the same thing with the video and just make it fun. - Yeah, it was very fun. - It was fun. - And it's so colorful, and I feel like, rock nowadays tends to be, like, really, like, in the angsty side. - Mm-hmm. - And I feel like, in this time, we allowed ourselves to be fun, to have fun with the music that we were writing, and we wanted to express it also, like, visually. And, like, with burnout, we actually didn't have the time to record this video, and we were like, how-- - How are we gonna do this? - All right, we're gonna do this. We need to have a music video, and we're not-- - Here. - Yeah, like, we don't have the actual time, and Rudy and Ivan came up, like, they directed that video, and they came up with this idea of, like, having people, like, casting people. So, they did the whole casting. We were actually on a plane when this was going on, and we recorded us separately. But seeing how many feet, like, are fans, having, like, that passion, and, like, dressing up as us, in, like, so many different ways. - It was so funny. - And, I felt very, like, perceived. Like, some of the impressions I was so inspired on, it was scary. - 'Cause we had to act out the mind, like, we're the scariest. - Not scary, like, in a scary way. But, like, when people actually, like, grabbed, like, a base, and they started exactly. - And they started exactly. - Like, yeah, like, no, I've been-- - Like, I was like-- - Exactly like you. - They studied that, like, that was-- I saw it, and I was like, then, that's just you. - Like, up to, like, the hair flips, the shoulder movements, like, everything, that's the same. - Everything, wow. - Yeah, it was really fun. - Fun videos, yeah. - You haven't gotten to the point yet, I imagine, where, as you're putting songs together, as you're writing songs, you're thinking about how you might visualize them, or are you? - Yes, I mean-- - We work in different ways. We work in different ways about-- - Works very visually, like, she, before, even, like, writing the song, she would have-- - I have visual boards and mood boards, and I start writing based on what these images feel like to me, what they feel like to me. I feel so deep, like, oooh, you are. - But, um-- - And, I mean, it's like, how you see the song. - Yeah, that's how I see the song. - So, if you must get us, that's exactly what happened. I have this mood board, and they sent the masters to us, and I was listening to the whole album, while, like, staring at my mood boards to see if we captured it correctly. And then, I was like, we need to record this. - No, like, but, like, she ran up to me, and she's like-- - No, I remember that. - I have an idea. - No, I remember this, 'cause, like, we were gonna be a bride. - We were recording, like, she has the idea, the day before we recorded the music video for "Sick." - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, so, we were all so excited, and, like, Yvonne, who was the director for "Sick" as well. He was like, I can't, like, you can't tell me this right now, 'cause, like, I need to focus on this video for us. - And I'm gonna get excited, right? - So, he was, like, so anxious the whole time, 'cause, like, how wouldn't tell him, but we were all so excited. And it was so excited, like, from an outside perspective, to, like, see the whole process, to, like, the first idea, to, like, every meeting, and then, seeing, like, the actual final product, like, on the set, and, like, how everything just, like, came to life. - Yeah, so, so-- - So, your words are very helpful. - When writing, at least for me. - I don't know, watching that one. I'm like, they could, if they wanna, you know, figure out how to make the move into movies. (laughing) That'd be the next, you know, Laurel and Hardy, think, get a whole company mystery thing going, it's, it's there for the taking. (laughing) - You mentioned that you guys are gonna be doing a bunch of festivals. Summertime is the time for festivals, and are there, is there one festival that you go, man, that's like, Glastonbury, or, you know, is there one that you go, that's the one we wanna headline? - Oh, headline, oh my gosh, that one. You want, like, another step, that's-- - We gotta have goals, right? - Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm just thinking about the ones that we have this year, and that I already feel like, oh my God, we're gonna be, like, we're gonna be part of Vacan, and that's, like-- - Vacanopack, they're not really-- - They're not really-- - They're not really good. - So, like-- - You've been thinking from, I want to headline Rock 'n' Rio. (gasps) - Oh! - We've never met myself. But I feel, I love that I'm saying, "Hell, I mean, we've actually never "stepped a foot in that country." But I would love that, that'd be, that'd be, I mean-- - That'd be insane. - You were like, let me in. - Goals? - Hey, my name is-- - That's not gonna fit that. - What are the other ways? - Yeah, exactly. - Well, so you guys are gonna be heading out, you have the tour, as I said, as we speak, the album is out and ready for your consumption. Woof, keep me fed. I think this album will keep you fed. You probably get some food and maybe a car or two out of this album. (laughing) - Keep working, keep learning. We love you guys and seeing it, just keep moving the right direction. It's also great, no. - Thank you so much, thank you. - You got Danny Powell, Ali, thank you so much. It's great to see how much you've grown and we're watching from the sidelines and seeing you skyrocket. It's great. - Thank you so much. - We really, really congratulations. - I enjoyed us, yes. - Thank you so much, Powell, Ali, Danny. We love you, thank you so much for joining us. - We love those women. - All right, we've got just minutes to go here on Sound Up and since this is our show where we always give you some new music, what have we got today? Who wants to start? - Roger can go. - All right, fine, I'll go first. So I picked three songs. The first one is The New Song Wild Side by Keith Urban. Now, Alan, I know you're a big Keith Urban guy and I've always kind of liked him but not loved him. I've always been more of a fan of his guitar playing and his guest spots. - That's fair. - Then his actual, I always feel like he was just shy of hitting the mark on a lot of his singles. This one on the other hand, I think delivers on all fronts and it's funny, I was listening to it and I was kind of thinking, to me, he's almost like the Bryan Adams version of Country Rock. Now, he really is, is that it? - Is that it, yes? - What is that? - No, 'cause he can write those kinds of songs. I believe me, I love Bryan Adams, Bryan Adams is incredible. And I found that he's kind of nailed it on this one where it's that perfect mix of great guitar playing, great lyrics and a great song structure. So I was really, really happy with this song and I'm interested to see what else is coming from this project. - It's interesting. I mean, he's, I have loved Keith Urban stuff over the years, the last few years, I have not. The most recent albums have kind of felt like he's trying a little too hard to mix it up or do something different. And since, I mean, there was that blue in your color, hit a few years back, which was one of my favorite things ever that he's ever, ever done. But then he did the stuff with Niall Rogers that just sort of didn't really work. This is a very, this wild side song is a very classic Keith Urban doing his guitar banjo thing and do like this sounds like something from 15 years ago, Keith Urban Records. So it's interesting to me that you reacted so strongly to this one. - Yeah. And another one that I liked this week a lot is a new bride eyes song. I'm a big bride eyes fan. And this one is more of a more of an uptempo song. It's a little more of a rocker kind of song called Bells and Whistles. The one thing I wasn't thrilled with this song so much was the production. It seems just kind of noisy. I mean, but it's kind of that kind of track. - Yeah. - But it kind of took away a little bit from the track for me, but it's a really great song. - It's a good song, not my favorite of theirs. I was hoping for, haven't heard anything from him in a while. I'm a big, kind of robust fan. I like that it wasn't a very ballad-y kind of. - No, it's kind of a sing along woozy thing. I mean, that is the thing is, you know, makes sense for this song. But also it doesn't, I kind of like the verses more than the for us. Like I felt like, okay, he's going into a bride eyes song and then it sort of felt like it just got a little messy. It was just odd that I found that the production a little distracting, which you don't normally say about a song. - And then you got one more to bring to the table. - So I got one more to bring to the table. And I don't know if I like this song. I don't know if I dislike this song, but I felt like we needed to talk about this new Will Smith song featuring Friday and Sunday service choir called You Can Make It. It's an interesting song. He's rapping in a kind of different way than you normally expect him to. You know, Mark, we were talking earlier and you said it had kind of an M&M feel like a lose yourself kind of feel to the kids and I agree. And lyrics are very, very personal. It is Will's story to this point. It is, it's hard to grasp if he's talking to the audience about what's going on or if this is like him almost talking to himself and saying he's got to move on or asking for, I can't quite grasp where that's going. - The BET performance, he starts off by saying, you know, words to the effect of, this is for everyone right now who's watching, just listen to me, you can do it. You can make it. It was, you know, he wants to make this big and an empowerment song. That was, you know, what he prefaced with. - It feels very much like the Will Smith three-abilitation tour moment and you know, I guess it's do you buy the, do you buy the sincerity? Do you find that interesting? - It's one of those like, I kind of feel like maybe from somebody else, I would be more interested in this, but somehow from him, it just feels very, you know, it is very calculated, it is very strategic. That's okay, but it didn't move me particularly. - And I wonder, just to put it out there, if this wouldn't be the post-slap song, would we have a similar feeling about it? My answer is yes, I just don't. - Yeah, I think that's right. I also don't think he would have done it. I mean, I think that's the only reason the song exists, so. - You think that he got back to rapping just to like, hey, remember I was, you remember me? Fresh Prince? - Well that and also like to do the, you know, where you can overcome your worst days, you know, kind of a thing, so. - And it's interesting because a, you know, is it the right time to start liking Will Smith again, because he's got this hit movie with bad boys. Then he follows it up with this, it's weird. It's an interesting show where we had the Ryan Adams review. Now we have this, you know, these are two characters who, you know, were people loved at one point, and now you have to-- - It's the rehab show. - It's the rehab show. Now you have to question, is it okay to, you know, first of all, you have to decide if you like the song in general, you know. And then, you know, is it, you know, is it okay to like a Will Smith song? I, you know, I just thought it was an interesting song. It was, I couldn't, I'm quite grasp. - If Jana likes it, I like it. Fair enough, there you go. All right, so those are my picks. - All right, let me burn through mine. First of all, I have to mention, so I went to see Wilco last week at The Beacon Theatre, who were just phenomenally great. I love this band, and you realize next year is going to be 30 years of Wilco consistently being a great band. And I hadn't heard the last tour was the, they played the Yankee Hotel Foxtrot album all the way through, which is one of my favorite albums of all time, and of course was amazing, but it had been a while since I'd just seen them play a bunch of Wilco songs. Every one of them is such a virtuoso player. Every single one of them. And the body of work is just astonishing. And I, you know, it just reminds me, they put out, they, over the weekend, they did their solid sound festival up in Massachusetts and sort of taught. In honor of that, they put out an EP on Friday. Six songs called Hot Sun Cool Shroud. It's six songs, but like two of them are little mini instrumentals. And these are songs that were left from the sessions for the cousin's album last year. And they said it just sort of felt like a summary thing and they wanted to put something up. But there's one song called Amylation on this album that is to me, you know, a first rate, goes in the set list, kind of a Wilco song. And so that clearly was my winner for the week from seeing them, from getting new music from them. Not, I haven't watched yet, not as prominently featured in the new season of The Bear as they were the house band for the first two seasons. I do see that because I've seen the list of the music drops that haven't watched yet because I've been traveling. So Wilco holding down that spot. Yes, you're gonna say. - I don't think I've seen any Wilco. I'm up to like six or something like that. - I think there's one in a later episode when I saw the list, I think, but I move away from that. Second thing I want to mention, an artist teenager. I think she's 18 and Grace Bowers, who is a hot shot guitar player from the Bay Area, but has moved to Nashville. She's got an album coming out in August. Grace Bowers on The Hodgepodge is the name of the band, which I don't know how to feel about that. She's playing some dates on this slash tour that he's doing for this blues album. She's doing some dates with brothers Osborne, but she has a new album out. It's the title track of the album called Wine on Venus. And it's very sort of Allman Brothers, sort of the slow, dreamy Allman Brothers kind of feel. And I really, I want to see her play. I mean, this is, I think, the second song that's out. I want to see her on a stage and see what this is all about, but I am interested. It's in that sort of Southern rock, you know, Grace Potter, like that world, but I really like what I've heard. And I'm interested when I got away to August for the album. So, and then just wanted to mention partly to get Roger's take, we said, "Who's gonna do it?" We are both big Miranda Lambert fans, and she put out a new song called Damn It Randy. It came out on Friday, that is not a big rocker song. That's a little more sort of mid-tempo melancholy, you know, reflecting on a relationship song. I like it, Miranda never, she doesn't make bad records. This one and the last one, the Wrangler song that she put out before. They feel a little paint by numbers, Miranda, for me right now. I don't love them the way that I love the best of her stuff, or the way that I have the last, the Palomino album. But, you know, we'll see where this is all going. They're not, it's not a disappointment. It just didn't take me anywhere too surprising. Did you have any reaction, Roger? - Yeah, I like this song. I don't, you know, it didn't blow me away. Like you said, this song and the last one feel like Midway album tracks that I think I would accept more in context of an album. But being released on their own, I expect a bigger kind of type of song, I guess. - Yeah, I don't really remember her history with the singles. And if she leads with the big, you know, with the big knockout punch or builds to that, you know, people do different things. - Yeah, but you said it before too. And we've talked about Tom Petty in this manner too, where, you know, she's got albums that are better than others, but she has never put out a bad album at all. Come on, good, all right. I'm gonna start to listen more intently. You got me, I've been talking about her for years. All right, I'm late to the party. My new music for the week, the first one that jumped out at me like Friday night was Griff, there's something brand new. Her debut full-length album Vertigo is coming out a little later on this month, the 19th. And she says that it's about the idea that you would go to any length to make someone care for you, but they don't realize the power that they hold. And at a young age, she says, "I think there's often a bit of an imbalance." And I wanted the song to capture the intensity of those young relationships. It's about growing up. It's about dealing with the stuff that knocks you sideways as you're trying to get older and trying to become mature. And it's, she's awesome. I thought she had an album out already too. I was surprised that this was her debut 'cause I've heard so much from her. Also, old friend of the show, LPG OB. - I thought you were gonna do that. - I am such a massive fan of this woman. She is a DJ producer and has been doing her own stuff for years. Gosh, we had her on 45 years ago now. Something like that. - Gotta be, yeah, gotta be. - And she's the daughter of deadheads, you know? And she dresses like in tie-dye, but she's an amazing DJ. And she's jazz pianist. She's trained on keys as a jazz pianist. She plays along in her live set with the stuff that she's mixing, which is amazing. Really, really cool. Her new album is out October 18th. It's a ways off, but the first single that she dropped is a collab with Portugal the Man, which I thought was, wow, did not see that coming. But this is her first full studio collection, original music. Light Places was her last one just last year. And it's called Daughter, D-O-T-R, which relates to the way that she used to sign notes to her parents around the house. Love, Daughter, D-O-T-R. And it's about that. It's about her love of her parents. And it's also about a tribute to the women in her life that had influenced her. And this is the same woman who has founded Fem House, which is an organization about teaching women how to produce, how to engineer, how to get on the other side of production in music and empowering women. It's so great. - Yeah, she's been doing a lot of this bridging the DJ and Deadhead world stuff. - She did, she reimagined Jerry Garcia's Soul Record. - She's been doing things tied to dead company shows and a lot of that stuff. And I imagine you've seen her Taco Bell ad. - I was shocked. I think I was delighted. I'm not sure how I feel about it. - Like just my first thought is just like, don't drip the sauce on the turntables. Like, it's just like, you can't eat that while you're, anyway. - All right, and one more, I just got to squeeze in. And this could be my favorite song so far by this artist. Freddy, F-R-E-D-D-Y, all caps, Freddy, better known as my daughter, has a brand new song out called Jewelie Box. It's on all the outlets, Sun Spotify and Pandora. And wherever you find music, you will find Jewelry Box, which I think is her best one yet. It's a brand new one. She just dropped it the other day. And this in anticipation of one of a couple of gigs she's got coming up. Bar Lubitsch, 70702 Santa Monica in West Hollywood on the night of the 11th, July 11th. I'm gonna be there to see Freddy perform, not only this one, but some of her other favorites. Yes, I love this new song from Freddy Jewelry Box. Check it out. - There's all our new music. And it's gonna wind us up for this episode. Please get on over to sounduppod.com to find out how you can be part of our live sound up, sound off podcast taping. Email us as you heard. We're looking for your concert reviews or thoughts on anything we're talking about, or anything you're talking about, connect at sounduppod.com for your audio or texting word written messages. - In addition, don't forget to go to Spotify. 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On episode #48 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan are joined by the three sisters in the Mexican hard rock group The Warning to discuss their new album “Keep Me Fed.” In Music News, we talk about Michael J. Fox appearing with Coldplay at Glastonbury, Don Henley suing to get his lyrics back, and the closing of Broadway’s “Tommy” and Huey Lewis musicals. We have audience reviews of Pixies, Brandi Carlile, Bonnie Raitt, and the Celine Dion documentary plus our New Music Picks of The Week including tracks from Keith Urban, Wilco, LP Giobbi, and more.
