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You know, everybody has one of those guns that was kind of forbidden by their dad if you were raised in a 2A. I was because I have one specifically, and I got it when I turned 18 because-- well, actually, I think it was 21. I got it because I was raised to be a marksman. There'd be a long range shooter to be accurate with one projectile. You guys know where I'm going with this is shotguns. And I have two 12-gid shotguns and a 410 now. And I'm learning-- so this is one of those things that I'm not as versed with because I haven't had as much time behind the trigger of a shotgun. What have I learned in that time frame? Man, there's a lot to learn. Patterning a shotgun. That's interesting. You need to look up how to do that. Anyone who says you don't need to aim for a shotgun, you know, all the boomer FUDs behind the gun counter-- oh, you need a 12-gauge or a 20-gauge, and just a rack of it alone for a pump so that it'll scare them away. Well, you had to alert everybody there that you have a gun, and they know your location because they can hear where that's at. But lately, I have seen two. And part of it is my fetish or my fandom of John Wick. I'd like to have an HK or a banal AM4. But I'm looking really heavily lately at the Mossberg 940. It's a semi-automatic, similar mechanism, I believe. I've watched "Colly on the Wars" video on it. I've watched a couple different burn downs on the 940. And it has the potential to do like combat style shotgun because that's more of what I'm used to or exposed to. That's my first shotgun was a Mossberg 500. With extended tube, the one you can buy for $299 or $199 when I got mine. That's how old it's been now, because I'm 46. But it made me think a lot because I've had a lot of friends over the years that swore by them. In fact, that's kind of how I got down that road of a 12-gauge was seeing the destructive power and going maybe there's something to this. First thing I learned was that that little bead on the front site or as a front site, I have to because of my fat cheek, I have to put my body or my face really, really tight to a shotgun, which with a pump action usually exposes me to the ungodly recoil of a 12-gauge. That's the other thing that I never understood about Boomer Fudd Staying that 12-gauge is the perfect home defense gun. The recoil alone is not a good thing and the fact that this will go through walls and not just with one projectile, but with nine if you're using buckshot like I use or eight if you're using the better buckshot. It was something I had to learn and expose myself to because that recoil impulse is very much a thing. Even shooting large boar rifles like magnum rifles like 300-win mag, that was a little bit of an eye-opener and a sinus clear to be honest with my first 12-gauge. What I've noticed though is that the sheer variety of loads, I mean, you can get flesh jet rounds. If you don't know what a fleshhead is, it's basically a ton of little darts that are made, the idea was made back in the day. They used them in Vietnam a lot to pierce, I guess you'd call them flak jackets, not necessarily body armor because they didn't really do anything but protect you somewhat from fragmentation devices like grenades or shells inside of vehicles, you know, when you got hit. But they were body armor, first types of body armor. Well, it was made to defeat that to get through it, so it's moving really fast and really slow. I've seen some that they are saying are body armor piercing. I don't believe that. I've seen them like fail at trying to do that, especially against level four or even level three armor, because they don't have the velocity. You know, that's one thing that a shotgun will never have. You know, you're lucky if you're at like 1200 feet a second, maybe 1600 feet a second. It's about what a pistol is moving at, but there's just a lot more force behind it because it's a bigger projectile or a bigger set of projectiles. You know, I had that new guy, he was talking about tungsten shot. What's the claim to fame? What's all that stuff? Well, this is all research I had to look up for myself, but the idea is with the federal government going against lead, especially in waterways, trying to keep it clean, they wanted you to use tungsten and bismuth and steel shot. Well, the problem is that that doesn't actually mesh up like lead does. So lead will deform, keeping your shot pattern a little closer, especially with a choke. And if you don't know what a choke is, a choke basically is at the end of the bore of a shotgun. It squeezes the the cup a little more and keeps the shot pattern a little tighter for a little longer. That's the short version of what a choke does. If you're using like a security shotgun, like I am or a home defense shotgun, they're called a cylinder bore. So our cylinder choke, there is no choke. And you can use slugs and you can use buckshot with that. And that's what I usually shoot. You know, I stock buckshot for my shotguns for that reason. Mine are made for home defense or when I say made. Their purpose is home defense, even though they're not my preferred home defense gun. There was a point in time in my thought process that especially when I started having to wear glasses in contacts more and more and more, I was thinking that maybe I would have a better probability of hits on an intruder if I use the 12 gauge. And that's true to some extent. But you still, like I said, you have to aim. That pattern is very tight up to a certain range. And that's something you're going to have to determine with your load and with your shotgun. And at the distances I was looking at is like my ideal home defense range is what I'm guessing at is the end of one of my halls. So I have one main hall that goes through my entire house basically. And it's about 10 yards. And that will open up from the pattern of my shotgun. That'll open up to about the size of, you know, 8 or 9 inches is what it looks like. I'm roughly guessed the meaning that it's inside of an 18 inch man size Ipsyk target. Because I use paper targets to pattern and I use usually use targets that are shaped like people, so that I can reference that with different range optics I have, not on my shotguns. I don't have any optics at all on my shotgun. I even decided that with one of them I would put a laser on it because it had a pistol grip on it and a folding stock. And I thought well if I couldn't deploy the stock which is always a bad plan with a shotgun I'm just going to tell you a folding stock is not a good thing because the recoil alone usually caused that thing to wear out one and two that it folds in weird ways for a Mossberg specifically. And what I noticed was that I wasn't as accurate for what a shotgun does and why don't you hear that hesitation and accuracy. Again understand I've been shooting long range for a very long time and to have multiple projectiles go out and then fan out in a pattern right that's what I'm talking about when you're patterning your shotgun and seeing what that pattern is at certain set ranges. There's a frustration I've always had with shotguns is they're very limited in range okay they will be lethal at extended range but now that pattern opens up a heck of a lot more and there's a lot more probability that you're not going to get an ideal hit and that's a problem for someone who's trained his entire life to be a one person one shot one target type of person. I will tell you as a shooter I am nowhere good with it a shotgun to where I can't hit skits like I have my friends do you know I'm not going to be a shotgun member on your shotgun team because I'm not that guy. My experience with shotguns goes to where I was where I'm speaking to is the home defense type range. I've tried bird hunting I missed my target completely more so because I'm not used to how you have to lead. Leading with a shotgun is different to me because I can actually even though my sight my eyesight is really not that great I swear I can see that shot and I can see the cup that holds that shot at certain ranges and I know that it's moving slower so I need to aim farther ahead and I'm not aiming far enough ahead for birds and flights specifically ducks my friend Dexter took me bird hunting for the first time now I've shot quail but in New Mexico I was always the guy the turd guy when I was younger shooting him with a 22 on the ground you know I wasn't one of those people that wanted to bird hunt. As I get older that's a little more attractive because my moshburg 500 I have two barrels for it one is a home defense one and that's usually what's on it then I have a hunting barrel in a set of chokes that go on it but where I was going with this is that the sheer diversity arounds you know there's something to be said about that if you watch John Wick like I have you've seen the dragon's breath in the last one where he was using a AR type shotgun and he was using dragon's breath now if you don't know what dragon's breath is it's a it's a shot that comes out that has lethal shot in it but it has a flammable element to it that actually shoots this giant flame out with it too that can catch things on fire especially in the southwest something I wouldn't recommend doing they have gimmick shot that's like metal ducks I've seen that shot you know it shows gun shows there's a whole video channel called to flue your mouse I believe is what his name is he's a 12 gauge fan and he does all kinds of weird stuff with different shots different slugs and whatnot it's another thing you use a slug that is a definite definitive win when you have a full ounce of lead hit you you are not going anywhere you know and that is going to stop an intruder you're going to have to aim it though because again you're not if you're listening to the boomer fudge you think that the shotgun doesn't really have to be aimed it's just going to stop whatever's downrange for a set distance that's not the case but you have bird shot bird shots are very fine it's made or target shot like number eight shot for 12 gauge or seven shot and it's used for bird hunting and target hunting you know silhouette not silhouettes or clay pigeons it's it's to put out a very condensed cloud of shot of lead shot so you can hit your target with a higher probability that's the whole point of a shotgun when you're bird hunting is that you don't want a bullet that's going twenty seven hundred three thousand feet a second shot in the air because you don't know where it's going to land in it everything that goes up has to come down where shotgun its energy is pretty much dispensed and when it comes back down i've done this i've been in this what i'm about to say is i call it pellet rain you know shot rain i've been around bird hunters around the river and i've experienced that shot coming back down and it's it's uncomfortable because it it's like hail but it isn't extremely lethal i imagine it could be with the right weight of shot but and being at the closer distance of course it would be but being far enough away and it's lost all its energy is just falling to the ground that's different but that's what i'm talking about it's the sheer volume of what you can do you know you have those flashets like i was saying i've seen some that have chainsaw pieces in them um you know i've heard stories about people shooting sticks out of their shotgun at what i recommend that absolutely not because uh putting things in bores of guns is a bad idea in pulling the trigger because you have the potential of it causing um a rupture of the case or a rupture of the barrel because there's nowhere to go for this explosion you just set off so it's going to rupture the barrel and the gun but it shows the resiliency of the of the round you know this has been around for a long time you know in world war one the germans actually put bounty hunt bounties on people that use shotguns because they saw it as a violation of the Geneva convention because it puts so much shot onto someone so many projectiles onto someone that a it was very lethal b if they didn't die right away they were in extreme pain because of the sheer amount of damage done you know that's that's something there's something to be said to that and there's something to be said about grandpa's knowing something about this you know this is something that was totally foreign to me because my dad would not let me have shot guns you let my older brothers have shot guns back east when they live back east but being born out here and living out here in northwest new mexico in southwest colorado that wasn't a thing you know i deer hunted before i ever duck hunted or and uh uh not animal bird hunted this this was not part of what i was taught it was to be big game hunter type person and a bird hunt was different for me but then to see the realities of how good a shotgun is and anyone with their you know worth their salt in the two way will at least try something before they say this is absolutely useless and i don't think it's useless i think there's a time and a place for it and it's the right tool for a lot of people and it's very much one of those entry-level items when you're getting into the two way that does the job and can do it very effectively and always work you know i've not seen very many instances where a mossberg 500 or even the 70 rimington 870 the newer ones are kind of crap from what i'm hearing but the mossberg 500 seems to be pretty rock solid they've made a cheaper version called the maverick 88 and it is basically a plastic trigger housing is where the housing of it is for the trigger group is made out of polymer part of it's made out of polymer versus the aluminum that a mossberg 500 is made out of which makes it cheaper and they instead of making the furniture set to where you can replace it at will with whatever you want because there's a dime a dozen just like there are for ar-15s with the mossberg 500 or the 870 series to replace their furniture sets the stocks the mossberg or the maverick 88 is pinned the pump is itself so you're going to have to replace the pump and the slides that actually actuate the action if you're going to replace the furniture set for the maverick 88 but when you can buy a maverick 88 for right now i think is a 199 okay there's something to be said about that if you don't have a lot of money and you want to defend your family or yourself and you want that show that show stopping power 12 gauges probably what you want to look at if you're not interested in concealed carry you know that's something you have to think about everything has a purpose and to see the sheer amount of versatility you can hunt deer with a shotgun i personally wouldn't do it but i know that was they make slug barrels rifled barrels and with slugs that can go out the two 300 yards with the right slug right looting there's something to be said about using that for deer elk i don't know about elk because i've seen big elk and i've never well i've never seen anybody shoot an elk up close with a shotgun and i've never seen it elk hunter use a shotgun i'm not saying it can't be done i have seen deer hunters do it and i know back east that's all you're allowed to hunt with is shotguns which leads screens to the usability and flexibility of it if you have one gun to hunt deer back east and you have one gun to hunt the rest of the time to hunt the burbs that are there it makes sense because you can go from a slug you can go to uh different load patterns of like number eight buckshot or bird shot or number seven or go higher or lower with the size of this the shot excuse me and it allows you to to hunt the right game you know you can rabbit hunt with them i've killed rabbits with them um i don't think that's an ideal solution for rabbit hunting because it does a lot more damage than i expected um but again i may have been using the wrong load you know i'm new to that arena at 46 i've just now started getting more into shotguns and i don't know if it's because of age or what or maybe it's just me finally appreciating what it is and the semi-automatic shotguns to me there's something different with those and i think the reason why that is is it's kind of the forbidden fruit that i couldn't have you know my dad specifically said don't be that guy and so i'm a little drawn to it because you know i'm an adult my dad has long since passed unfortunately and um i have started watching these different videos checking them out and it seems like the algorithms all seem to know when i'm looking at something new and you know one of these days when i get back to where i was as an engineer and i'm fully rock solid again financially i'm going to start expanding that connect collection a little bit i think and i'm really looking hard at acquiring one of these semi-automatic shotguns now i don't know again why because it's of limited use to me um utility that is because i'm not a shotgun guy i am a self-defense guy and maybe that's why but i think that if i i have already made this admission that i've i've become an ar-15 fan in that if it's the one self-defense gun that i'm gonna have to take that's probably the round i'm probably gonna have to take that or a 308 and for a 308 there is no other gun for me other than an hk-91 and that's my personal preference they're heavy um they're not as the triggers on them suck compared to anything in the air world or the air 10 world um but i can get decent accuracy with them i know how to maintain them very well i like the recoil impulses where is that sounds from a lot of people's perspective i know a lot about the roller delay and i would definitely get one of these use one of them if i had to and a shotgun it makes a lot of sense to me you know being an ak guy i've had a lot of guys ask me why not a siga you know why not one of the siga clones and it always boils down to one thing with me and i've talked about it on this podcast before is the shut 12 gauge is a ribbed cartridge and anytime you use the rim cartridge with a magazine you're going to introduce some sort of kind of mess up okay it's because there's never been a way to get around the fact that there's a rim at the very very very base of the cartridge that is going to lock itself into a magazine and you're going to have to overcome that barrier one way or another and it usually tends to cause the gun to malfunction where a tube fed some automatic like the 940 or the m4 tends to not have that problem because it's from tubes have always been acceptable for rim cartridges to this day and i'd rather have a reliable shotgun or a reliable piece of hardware than anything that looks cooler reliability is the number one thing i expect from anything in my collection and if it's not reliable i work to make it that way and when it comes to home defense that makes a lot of sense because when seconds count i don't want to have to manipulate the gun and mess around with it to try to defend myself or my family and extend that to shotguns pistols rifles you know i'm a big fan that's one of the real reasons why i've always been a collashnikov guy as i'd bought into the hype a long time ago that it is the most reliable platform for that type of rifle having had an ar-15 having learned what it can do i believe wholeheartedly you can make them just as reliable as an AR as an AK-47 or as an AKM or an AKS you just need to know what you're doing and that's kind of the pursuit i've been going down with the shotgun you know it's why i picked one of the mossberg 500s is because it is from every report i've ever seen one of the most reliable platforms period um the pump action shotgun is always going to go click bang unless you buy a really really cheap crappy one and even those have a tendency to go click bang if you're not shooting them all the time and that's where i started looking more heavily at the shotgun other than for home defense and for those other avenues you know being forbidden from having a 12 gauge and then being able to buy one i remember the conversation my dad had what the hell you want that for i taught you to be better than that to to not need a 12 gauge oh yeah dad that's true um i wanted to see what was going on with it i've shot him um i didn't see a real problem with him other than a recoil was way more than i was expecting and i say that but it's not really i mean it's it's not the greatest for recoil meaning that you are gonna feel some recoil um but if you shoot a 4570 trapdoor um or a 325 Winchester short magnum and you've shot him without muzzle brakes or any aids for stopping the recoil of the gun those particular guns you will know those will blister you a lot more and bruise your shoulder a hell of a lot more than any 12 gauge especially modern design with a good decelerator pad on it will ever do so as you're thinking about what you're going to buy next what you're going to do maybe the shotgun's the answer maybe it's not the win-all be-all but if you're on an extreme budget and sure the hell beats a stick in the eye and sure the hell probably will beat the hell out of any of those high power or high not high power high point pistols like share subscribe most importantly be great