get the motor run and bam out and out and out and out and when you get a motorcycle feels like your next move that's a funny thing watching that movie it's like motorcycles are so fucking cool but bikers fucking suck yeah I can see you having like an old beat up one that you fix in your garage you don't have a garage to you I don't know but this is I'm imagining you have one that you fix up in your garage but you and you take around the block maybe once or twice you never go anywhere with it you're constantly fixing it that's what I would be doing yeah I picked it I picked an obscure bike that used to fossil to find parts for all right let's talk about the linger the linger a scoppy plot so dumb you know it really makes us mad it's wasting money on CDs with only one or two good songs yeah tell them about punch I'm your other co-host Dylan Hensley and this is the show where we choose one year at random and select one punk hardcore emo or punk adjacent album from the year to discuss patreon.com/punkplotopod is where you go to get all of our weekly bonus audio last week we did a master punk theater on the film what we do is secret the name of that movie is very hard for me to say because the title of the vampire movie is very hard for me to say because the title of the vampire movie and TV show has been supplanted it in popular culture so it's very difficult for me to not say what we do in the shadows because that is not the name of the movie. Yeah which what we do is secret is easier to say than what we do in the shadows it feels like an awkward phrase but yeah it's the more popular one so it's what you remember yeah that is the Shane West film about the germs it's a little biopic film and we had some fun talking about that one I don't know that we had fun watching it but you'll have to go check out the patreon audio to see what we really thought about that movie. But you can kind of guess also you can sign up for the $10 tier where you get to choose the album that we devote an entire episode to we did one of those last week with our seven seconds episode and we actually will be doing another one next week so be on the lookout for that those are really fun I really love doing those and it kind of gives us different albums that we maybe wouldn't have chosen ourselves if it's just the two of us. And that's just a one-time $10 donation and yeah you pick whatever you want within reason obviously but caveats in there veto power is all out of it. Well you know it's not like we're going to keep your money until you know like right if we veto something we'll just make you pick something else or if there's nothing else you want to talk about I'll give you 10 bucks back you know like yeah. Like no I only want you to talk about screwdriver like well you should listen to our show before you give us $10. Yeah maybe pitch me the idea before you actually send me the $10 if you've got a dubious selection there if you're like I want you to talk about brand new will that I'm not going to do that. So yeah yeah probably not yeah unless you want us to shit on it for the whole episode but yeah patreon.com/punkglotopod all that good stuff. So this week it was your turn to be assigned the year and I gave you the year 2007 which is a year that we have covered a handful of times in the past and prior to this. An episode 259 we did the Bader brains album the complete unfinished works of the young tigers. Then episode 193 we did yay is is we did that with Chad from the band perennial who just put out a brand new album last month earlier this month and it fucking rules so you should always check you should all check out perennial. Yeah just listen I finally just listed that record this week and it's great yeah it's so fun. Yeah I love them they're one of the best rock bands in the world right now so so good. Then in episode 97 we did the fucking wrath seasons of evil season of evil by with body farm who just put out a split record with the band dry socket. And it also fucking rips everyone go check that out that is one of the best split albums I've heard in a very very very long time. And then back in episode 67 we did american steels destroy their future along with trap them's seance prime I totally have no memory of the trap them E.P. I know we did it but I don't remember it. Yeah it sounds like trap them I think that was kind of our our takeaway it was like yep this sounds like trap them it sounds fine while you're listening to it but I don't remember anything else about it afterwards. Other than like a vague like I know what they sound like yeah right like you know what trap them sounds like. They found some like seven other bands from that like same time period I saw them live to like tragedy kind of yeah yeah they sound like trash talk. And then way way way back in episode five we did the gaslight anthem sinker swim along with the mains the way we talk the the main. That was one of the worst things we did early on so yeah 2007 we're in like a pretty widely there's a lot of stuff to choose from in 2007 it's pretty big year. And you sent me a list of your options and before we get into the rest of '07 what were some records that you were strongly considering. So some of the records that I considered I I guess I was trying to I was trying to think of what my my thought process was what my goal was. For what kind of pick I wanted to make because of just thinking of stuff that we had done recently because we just did the gaslighting at them again from 2008 you know and we've done. We did like a metal core record you know from this time period for my birthday spanking yeah I was kind of looking for some other picks some outside picks one of the ones that I hit on kind of early that I was like that could be something to talk about was the final Stooges record the reunions stooges record the weirdness I just thought there's no way this is good it's it's an it's a completely unnecessary reunion record. And I remember it coming out but I don't remember if I ever listened to it. I did not when you said that to me I was like what why like I was very confused why you sent this as an option because I was like it's not a record we listened to at least I didn't know the view. Ever listening to it and it's not well regarded it came out yeah way way too late just like I don't know I was like huh why this one I just thought it'd be interesting I don't know I was curious to see how bad it was. I didn't end up sampling any of it so I don't know I still don't know yeah I was just like that that could be interesting to talk about because it's a way late. Bad reunion record from a classic band and we've talked about one of the Stooges records in the past and we've definitely talked about the Stooges and their classic stuff in the past so feel like. An opportunity to look at you know something absolutely no one would pick I guess. But I didn't get hung up on it too hard I did consider the fiance by the chariot because it's when I remembered from the time I had it I got it when it came out. I was way into the chariot at the time and it was kind of on my mind because we had talked about the chariot on like a chart dive and how they're like their last but their last two records the good fight records that they did. After they left solid state are like the ones people love and I was like no the fiance was the one. I think it was a brachitology we did yeah we talked about like long live by the chariot that's what it was yeah and yeah I just you know I was like that's a record I have not listened to in a long time that I think I might still enjoy. It was one I would have known from then like I would have heard it when it came out which is kind of where I was leaning in one of the big reasons why like it I gave up on the Stooges one is. As I was looking through the charts I was like you know I kind of want to listen to something I listened to at the time or like shortly after it came out. So one of the other ones I sent you was in nothing we trust by Ruben Ruben was like a UK post hardcore kind of all rocky band I guess they're like a UK class draw. Yeah I mean he named jobs class jobs if you worship and tribute on that record yeah they had a little bit in common with like they were interesting they were like really big in the UK yeah they were like shockingly big like they were like so big that they would play shows under like a different identity just you know secret shows like that kind of that kind of big you know. And like they had a little bit of like a normal gene going on they had a little bit of like maybe some like my chemical romance I feel like is not that far off a little thrice in there too maybe like I could see yeah. That record rules that record is really good they have three LPs and that's my favorite of the three. The first record is considered the better one race cars race car backwards but I like all three of them they're all good records. And yeah the lead singer that band Jamie Linman went on to do a lot of solo material he has way more solo records than the Ruben ever had records so. And he's probably honestly his solo still is probably more popular in the US than Ruben ever was which is interesting. Yeah I think there was just too much competition back then for the type of music that Ruben was doing. Yeah and we didn't get very many UK bands. Yeah like gallows or like the other one. Yeah but there's some similarities to gallows too. Yeah same time period same kind of scene I think too in the UK. I love that record that was the one I was like oh that's my favorite out of the ones you chose. That was the one I was like man I want to do that one. I was pretty close on that one I was I almost picked that one because I was like it's a good record and I think that people I think is a record that probably will hold up really well and I think it's a record that people should hear. And I think you know it's very overlooked to a US audience but that also kind of was like yeah but it's also going to be an episode that people aren't going to go out of their way to listen to. Yeah and then we might just wind up with a bunch of people from the UK who are like they don't know nothing. It's like yeah I know that's what we're talking about. This band is almost unknown to the US like we found out about them because we got you got a rock sound magazine with them on a comp. Yeah like because what rock sound you could just like steal the comps off the covers. I actually bought the issue I bought the issues that I had a couple of them of that one I specifically bought because I was living I remember reading that magazine being like this magazine is awesome and it's talking about bands I don't know with bands I do know. So it was like a cool it was a cool magazine I assume it's still in print. I don't know I haven't been to a Barnes and Noble to look at the newsstand in a long time. You know when you quit working in a place you don't want to go there anymore. So kind of ruined if rock sounds still exist. I don't know if that if their magazine has as much distribution. Yeah they were kind of like yeah like UK AP. Yeah that's fair. AP and like decibel kind of combined because they would do a lot of metal stuff that AP wouldn't do. Yeah yeah and then and then what I ended up picking I don't think I didn't send anything else. No you just sent the four yeah there's just those four and it may have seen some other stuff we can look at the charts and see if there's other things that jump out that I briefly considered but I know those were the main ones. Yeah looking at 2007 on rateyourmusic.com on the punk charts for the year 2007 the number one and number two are the same fucking number one and number two is that you see every single time they put out a record on this really weird website. I uh one of the podcasts I listened to guys a podcast about guys he found rate your music for the first time like doing research not too long ago. And he was like this website's really weird and it's a great place to find real weird guys to read comments from and you're right that is exactly what this website's for. Yeah but number one we got LCD sound system and number two is arcade fire and number three is arctic monkeys. Oh and number four is the national so like the first four is just like god you fucking you all listen to the same shit why why is this LCD sound man that's a birthday spanking if I've ever seen. Nothing will ever be as bad of a spanking as me seeing the guy from LCD sound system play a noise set at Moogfest in like 2012. I had to go relieve someone from that set because the guy me have like a medical condition and it's like you got assigned to the worst. One you could but it was it was after I graduated from college I was helping with the music business program to do captures of mostly the like seminars that happened at Moogfest because it was a symposium. Yeah like seminars and music performance and like daytime there'd be a lot of seminars but there were there were occasional like live performances like I saw a woman play a thereman I did I like mixed her set while she played the thereman and like. But it was mostly like yeah it was mostly seminars just people talking about electronic music and the synthesizers and stuff and one of the but one of the things that was happening during the day that they were assigned a record was the guy from LCD sound system running. Like whatever like a noise generator through like 40 Moog pedals just like different filter pedals and him just like patching different things and it it just sounded just like a wall of cement mixer noises with a beat. It was in a big concrete room I'm like yeah I this is giving me a migraine like I can't imagine what you are feeling. Because he had like that kid had like he had like brain surgery. Oh wow at one point you know I was like a teenager like he had you know just neurological you know issues it's like this is the worst thing you could have done. So I had to like go relieve him and like you know babysit his laptop and make sure it got back to him because I couldn't stop recording in the middle of it. Oh man my doctor said I'm not supposed to see any LCD sound system in person. It's not good for my brain. I saw a fuck buttons open for the pixies and God it was like two dorks with a laptop just making noise and I was just like this is garbage. It would luckily it was a seated show like a sign seated show. And then so me and Grant from Bitter Melody like we were just like you want to go to the lobby and like yes and so we went to the lobby and just stood around there with a lot of other people just hanging out in the lobby. And then we came back to our seats after they finished playing and the people right in our little road like next to us they're like wait a second. Did you guys just leave and then come back and they're like yeah we have a sign sees you know and he's like why did we stay and listen to that they were so mad at themselves for stay. Because I didn't think about oh man I'm gonna lose my seat you know this I don't know their brain doesn't think about all these are signs he's we could just come back to the same spot. Somebody or somebody I work with asked me if I was into a craft work I was like yeah not really. It was kind of like yeah and like me either but he was telling me like some of the other people that we work with like had gone to see them recently and like they said they left like halfway through. Because it was so boring because craft work they just stand there. Yeah like they just stand there and play their synthesizers without with barely moving at all. It's like yeah I mean I've basically experienced that because I saw some guy give a lecture at that mochfest talking about the pocket computer that was used on the first part on some like early important craft record. And I'm like this feels like watching craft work this actually might be more interesting than watching. I would say that might be more interesting craft work urban though you you're like I respect you for what you did and you're pioneering use of electronics and music. I never want to see or hear you. The sounds themselves are cool. Yeah listening to the albums are like it's like the Quentin Tarantino meme where he's just like standing there like looking. It's like arms on his hips looking here on the house. Yeah yeah no disrespect but I sure don't like it. A good record. AJJ's people who can eat people are the luckiest people in the world. We were having a discussion about AJJ this week because I don't remember what exactly why it came to my mind but in my head I was like our AJJ you lost me there. And you said that you enjoyed the last record. And I put it on my top of the year. Yeah you did actually. And it's so funny because I'm like even though I thought that record was pretty good. I don't think I like it still. It's one of those weird ones where I'm like this is good but I don't want to listen to it type records. I don't know how to describe it. I think you liked it more than me was the big takeaway of that one. And I haven't come back to it since. Yeah maybe you shouldn't see. I listened to they did. I may just say this when I'm listening which we might be doing next week. But I did listen to the alternate takes version of the record that they just put out. And the thing that I liked about it is they put a bunch of just acoustic demos on there where it's just Sean and the acoustic guitar. And I'm like man if they just did this again. That is what I want from this band. It's what I've always wanted from this band. I mean they can't maintain my favorite record by them but I got into them because of people. People's record I got into. And it's like they forgot what it was the people liked about them and wanted from them as a band. I understand that like folk punk is dead. It's a dead genre right now. Not if you're apes of state or whatever they're called. I mean yeah I guess I mean I guess what's his name is they can't keep up with their merch orders. They're getting that shit flown in. But like as a whole we don't really have as many as we used to. Yeah yeah definitely far fewer and all the ones that were there. Well half of them were Chris Cleveland bands. It's like the main architect of the scene was a what a predator. Yeah yeah I mean I guess AJ just did the against me thing and they're like we just stopped doing that shit after we figured out how to play electric guitars. Yeah how that goes but yeah but then they went kind of too far past electric guitars. They started doing shoe shoe vocals. Yeah that has been my problem with like all AJJ records post what post knife man. Yeah start doing flaming lips effects on everything. What are you doing? Just play the songs the songs are good stop ruining them with like well we used a vocoder on this one. It's like no we want to hear you sing it. Except for the ones talking about your red little body I don't like those songs either. Your ghost worms and stuff like that like. There's a wriggly pen worm crawling out of my butt. That's not an actual lyric but it sounds like an actual. It could be is that that kind of lyrics he wouldn't say but he would say anus. He would you would make it worse make it worse and he didn't used to do any of that kind of stuff. Like this record I love this record just a great folkpunk record and age much better than the first record they did. Whoa yeah I never meant to say. I actually skipped over that when I was talking about the episodes that we we covered 2007 but Riot by Paramore came out that year and we did that episode 142 we did that with. Oh that was right we did that with you weren't there. Yeah yeah so we had Angie from resonating zine and Adam yo filling in as the co-host on that episode and really fun episode. We did like two in these days we need to get him back. Yeah I'm sure you he would gladly do it we love we love talking Adam and oh he's still in his podcast too. The podcast he does with his dad about album covers. Oh yeah I think it drops weekly. They're like on top of it and it's funny because he described it as like yeah this is my dad's project. He just decided he wanted to do a podcast and so I just I got in there and we figured out you know figured out how to do it together. I'm gonna pull up the name of that podcast though because it is a really fun podcast. I love listening to the two of them just kind of riff back and forth. Album art the stories behind music's iconic album covers and he does like deep dives on like the album covers and the and the back story about them. So really fun fun show and like I said it's neat because he his dad does these like monologue kind of like reading the story part and then he'll go then they'll stop and they'll go to Adam and they'll just talk back and forth about the covers. So it's really fun. I really like hearing the two of them talk together but you should you should rip this idea off and do a podcast with our dad where you go through his entire comic book collection. And it'll just be like him being like yeah I didn't care for this and it'll be like a complete run of something that he's had since the 80s. Yeah, that would be a great YouTube series held on to this. Bought all those spawn comics yeah worth anything. Then find the stuff that he actually loves yeah. See what what did he buy because he thought he had to and then what did he actually like really enjoy. What else what else what else there's a record that I loved very much at the time that I don't want to listen to again. Remember recently kicked out of the band. Yeah he was kicked out and then they did a soft test of letting him back in did you see that. Yeah, yeah he was playing and then then people were like why is he still there I thought he was out of the band. Yeah, I think I don't to me that's like I don't know I don't know what the thought process behind that was that they had to know that wouldn't go well because I think he's out again. Yeah, I think they just officially out now because his wife was like oh they all got a million dollar. That's right. Hey raise and we were trying to figure out are the members of between them buried in me making a million dollars speech. Yeah, who was it is it who in the band wasn't does he dusty dusty yeah dusty warring he it's like he's not even like the main guitar guy right. And it Paul is like the main guitar guy Paul Wagner. I guess he's a songwriter. I mean I don't know who how the breakdown of a writing goes Paul was always the like lead guitarist. Yeah. And but dusty was in using glass casket. Last gasket too. Yeah, yeah. Ruin those records too. Yeah, Paul was the the guy that came from prayer cleansing. At first I was like he better not fucking ruin prayer for cleansing but like oh nope not that guy he's not in that one. But I mean just I mean I also have not wanted to listen to this between a very to me record since before I knew found out about the accusations against a member of the band because it's what is it an hour long. Prog metal core record yeah hour and four minutes but I listened to the shit out of it when it came out. Let's see if it was my turn to select the album from this year. What would I have wanted to cover. Yeah. You you I don't like your girlfriend. I'm sure we've told the story before but our buddy downloaded a copy of this record and put it on his zoon and all the songs play fine except for when he puts on girlfriend. And it is the length of the song it's like a two minute whatever however long the actual song is but for some reason when you listen to it. It's like super slowed down and it's just like. And it's but it's just the duration of the song so it doesn't make any sense like why it did that. I think he said even tried it on his computer and it sounds normal on his computer book and he took the album off and put it back on and it still did this there's something wrong with like the zoon and like that album that just refused to. To work right but there's something some bit right conversion that's like yeah I wonder if there was like some DCM. Oh maybe yeah on it like just on that one song. Yeah. Yeah what would you actually pick. You know I'm scrolling and I'm like nope nope don't want that don't want that nope nope nope do not want to talk about that man is 2007 a good year. It probably is it's probably actually a really good year but like there's enough really good stuff yeah but overall it's not one of the best years of the 2000s right. Chase this light by Jimmy world that's probably the first one that I've come to where I'm like that'd be a fun record to talk about I would like to talk about one of those. I did own super toranta by Google Verdello so I could very easily talk about that record. I would I did see both of those and briefly I was like well. We could have been timely and done that less savvy fab record since they're doing they're doing reunion shows this year. Yeah I've never listened to less savvy fab in my entire life even though I'm pretty sure they've been on comps that I own. I guess what deliver us by darkest hour is that like the last good darkest hour record or is that one even like not even that good. It's good I it's not as good as undoing ruin but yeah but undoing ruin isn't as good as hidden hands right in like I listen to the new one because the first singles that came out. We're like they sounded very much like this era of darkest hour I was like that's so cool they're back and then I can listen to the record and I was like circus boring. I'm very bored with this record so I was disappointed with that one. You might see that on my biggest disappointment of 2024 list at the end of the year but what we could do the big dirty by every time I die. I briefly considered that one too but I was just like is that one of the ones. I don't know I don't know what every time I die might be one of those bands that actually like people love all of their records. That seems to be the case. I think it is the case if you look at their ratings especially on radio music. Besides the very first one they're all within like pretty close numbers to each other with the exception of a good or phenomenal for some reason people don't like that one as much. They're pretty consistent. They're consistent across the board band and I think they changed their sound up a little bit for market director. They weren't like identical from album album so that was. Well they've had enough member changes I guess. Including the one now where they don't exist. And there's like two new posts every time I die bands like one fronted by Keith right and then. Yeah. One with the rest of them fronted by somebody we're talking about today. Pinback's autumn of the serif's is on here as well. And I did the pinback challengeography series and talked about that record. Really weird record in the discography it was like them trying to go mainstream I think. I think it was their attempt at being like we're going to make some money now. We're going to make money as a band and they didn't make money as a band. And then didn't do another record for. What is that five years so fun record them. Yeah I mean I don't want to spend forever on this but. There's a lot to talk about. Even if like the records aren't necessarily like the best records. I feel there's a lot of records that you could just find stuff to say. Yeah. It's an interesting period. Like we could do that locus record and nobody will be happy but. Yeah. We have things to say about it. Something to say about it. Yeah. Yeah. That unsane record. This queen. That's a really good record. I like that record a lot so. We'll say that one. Oh I know what you would have picked. You would have picked cannibal by static ex. Oh my god. We need to do a static ex record one day. I didn't know there were any that would ever show up. Why does this one show up? Metal core? Okay. Yeah. Do any of the other records have that kind of tag? I feel like they don't because I feel like they're usually always just alternative metal. New metal industrial. Yeah. Looking. I feel like shadows on. Could. But even though it does. That one's all industrial alternative. We have new metal as a main and a secondary genre on there. Yeah. So new metal. It's two. It's new metal but with a substantial influence of new metal. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess according to the rules of our show and using the rate your music charts. Cannibal will be the only one that would actually fall under that. I don't. I don't think it's very metal core though. I've listened to that record. I don't remember it sounding like a metal core record. It sounds like a static record. It's also like the thinnest production from this time period. For some reason between started Warren called static. This record is just like real fin sounding. I don't know why they that happened the way it did. But yes. I'm going to do one one day. I promise. All right. Well, let's get into the rest of the show. I gave you the year 2007 and you selected "I Your Works" by the Dillinger Escape Plan. I sure did. 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Is that one of the things? Yeah. Like sacred geometry. Like, pallet pyramid power. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure they told him what to do. You know, I think it was entirely his idea. Yeah. But it's also definitely like a clear, I mean, it's definitely a reference to the Pink Floyd prism, album cover. And then relapse in 2007 also released albums, No Salvation by Colosseum, The Red Album by Baroness, Phantom Limb by Pig Destroyer, and Death Is This Communion by High on Fire. So very brown pants metal. Oh, yeah, that's peak. That's like, that's probably the very end of me paying attention to relapse records. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime I see stuff they do now, I'm just like, cool. Like, I very rarely like like anything that relapse does, though I think they're doing the like the Colosse reissues right now. So I'm on the like side again. But yeah, that was, yeah, peak relapse for us personally. But yeah. So before we get into the actual record and all that kind of good stuff, what made you choose this album for us to talk about? It jumped out to me looking at the charts immediately. I was like, that's an interesting direction to go. I got into it pretty into it when it came out. I remember listening to it. I remember downloading it when it when it came out mostly because probably mostly because I knew that Shelby Sinking did the artwork. I think that was probably like the instigation. I was like, Oh, Shelby Sinking did the artwork for the new Dillinger escape plan record. That's cool. I'll check that out. Yeah, that never underestimate the power of like an artist doing a cover, because like I definitely checked out records because I was like, ah, you know, Chris from page 99 did this. That's cool. I'll check it out. I mean, I like it, but I will check it out, you know. So I was like, I like math core. I don't know. I'll check this out. Let me, like I said, it was listening to, you know, between the Barry to me and, you know, all that kind of stuff around this time. Like it was in line of my interest and I kind of knew they were kind of knew a little bit about them. I can knew they were important. It would have maybe heard like a clip or something on a Barnes and Noble listening station. Yeah, we're always referencing, but this was definitely the time period of that. So I was, I was interested, like I said, I was interested in talking about something that I would have heard at the time. That's kind of where I settled in terms of the direction I wanted to go for this episode. And I thought this is a different direction from a lot of stuff that we talk about on the show. But it's not too far in a direction that I felt like we wouldn't have anything to say about it. Because I feel like with heavy stuff, it's really easy. Even if you like it, it's really easy to fall into just not really having much specific to say about it. It feels like with heavy stuff. It's like that riff is sick. You know, like there needs to be a story. And I felt like, all right, Dylan Gerstk plan, there's definitely a story of the band they were around for a long time. They're, you know, a seminal band for a sound and they kind of have a lot of, you know, time in between records. So I figured there's enough to talk about and also just, yeah, I remember what the record sounds like. I'm like, there's a substantial amount of different things that they do on this record that there's enough to get into and can actually kind of not, we don't have to go song by song, but there are at least like a few different categories of songs. Yeah, which I like, I really remembered that distinctly about the record. I was like, that's the record with like really big diversions in what Dylan Gerstk plan sounds like. That was mostly my motivation. And I was just like, I bet it holds up. That was also kind of my thinking too. I was like, you know, it's a record I haven't heard in a long time, but I bet it holds up. Yeah, looking at the stuff that you had sent as like your options, I was like nostalgia. Is that kind of the lane that you're going down with these picks and then like the Stooges in there just for weirdness for weirdness sake, I guess. But yeah, I was like, interesting that you chose two math core records, two and a half math core records because even that Ruben record's got a little bit of it in there too. It's just funny that you were definitely in a certain mood for this week's picks. Yeah, this was a band that we listened to at the time. Definitely remember listening to it when it came out. I remember listening to it and liking it too. It was like one of those ones that we both kind of got into. I probably listened to it because you got into it because I was like, Oh, you're listening to that? All right, I'll check it out. And then we'll end up liking it too. And so this is like our only Dylan Gerstk plan period though, right? Like, we didn't listen to them before this record. Like we'd heard stuff, but we didn't like listen to them. We knew who they were. We knew they were important. We knew they were well regarded. They're part of the what the about Rushmore of like math core. They're part of it's them, botch, coalesce, and converge are like the big ones. And they were always the one I feel like we listened to the least out of all of those despite them probably being the most famous and well known out of all those bands. Yeah, and it's funny because I think they are probably, well, botch was extremely influential, but I feel like Dylan Gerstk plan maybe actually turned out more bands that imitated them than most of the other math core bands because people cite converge. But nobody sounds like converge. When people like also like the bands who cite converges and influence, they don't play this kind of music either. They typically just do like the thrashy sound that converge has. The death wish records really would really what everybody's doing is cursed when they say they're influenced by converge. That's usually what they're really talking about because nobody can like play like converge. That's that's part of the problem. I guess they're like we got a vocalist who's kind of like Jake Bannon, but yeah, again, nobody sounds like Jake Bannon either. And coalesce was just also like, no one's that intense. No, yeah, no one can matter. Well, Dylan Ger is a different kind of intense. Dylan Ger is also a band with just like a wildlife show. I mean, it's Greg head walking. Yeah, I mean, it's Greg running back and forth like a maniac on stage, which is different from the coalesce coalesce is doing freakouts. They're writhing on the ground freakouts. That's what coalesce is doing. I feel like, you know, the guys who play instruments in Dylan Ger is gay plan have have to be a little in control to be able to play any of this stuff, especially your drummers. Yeah. Yeah. [Music] Got so much salt from your lies. Pull into me. Yeah, daddy, see yourself. Don't know how to eat. So blow off, eat for every breath that you breathe. What you won't get done in your fairy tale. I'm alone, I'll miss a touch and don't you think it? Don't you know how to eat? You've been taught as a thing and do it. So she, late as I feel it's all right. I've got the frozen man away. You won't be bound. I know that you keep, but I know all your faces are cut. I know everything. I have gotten frozen by the way. You won't be bound and loved. You keep, but I know, all your faces are cut. I know everything. I know everything. You'll never fall out of bed. With greatest quality, you're there. It's something you couldn't tell. It's what you want in your face. It's what you're dying in your face. So yeah, but then like after this record, like I remember trying to listen to the record that came out after option paralysis and like I probably listened to it like a couple times but it just didn't click the same way. They waited a while to do a record. But yeah, this is like the one record in their discography that like either one of us listened to with any regularity and then I dropped off. Like I even this didn't stay in my rotation for super long after it came out. Like it was like maybe a year that I would put it on. Yeah. Yeah, that was a funny thing because it was, I was into it, but it wasn't like, I don't feel like it was a burnout into it. No, like I definitely listened to it a lot. But I don't feel like I ever listened to it to the point of like, you know, way over exposure. And then I really then it just kind of fell off. And then yeah, I remember option paralysis coming out and I barely checked it out. I feel like I maybe skimmed it. I feel like you gave that record more of a listen than I did. Doing my my current tradition now whenever we do an album, I've been doing the albums on either side of the record, doing a real listen. And I put on option paralysis. And I was like, I remember this opening riff. So I was like, well, clearly I listened to it enough to remember the opening. Or maybe I just started it enough times that I remember the opening, but like maybe I didn't remember the rest of the record. I didn't even finish it on the replay. But yeah, so maybe I did try it. Maybe I gave it a bigger shot longer than you. And even then I was just not like me, just not to be on that. Yeah, and it wasn't. Oh, I don't like this. It was like, eh, right. It's not bad. I didn't dislike it. It was just maybe I was past this kind of stuff. I was definitely past this kind of stuff when that record came out. Because during this this era of seven, this is like end of us mostly was in the metal and hardcore or like metal core and stuff like that. And beginning to listen to mostly like punk stuff. Yeah, so this is like a transition period for us personally. So just like, yeah, we'd I always say we used up our brand bandwidth for metal, very young. And now we've we've yet to like, not only just now I'm starting to kind of like rebuild interest and listening to that kind of stuff again. But yeah. And I do remember, so I guess we'll just do all the rich for stuff now. I remember watching them perform on late night with Conan O'Brien. Yeah. And it was great, great set. They performed black bubblegum. Let's stand out. Let's stand out song on this record for a couple of reasons to beyond just being a really fun song, but like very different from everything else on the record. They played on Conan, Greg, being Greg, like he definitely went up into the crowd. He had a wireless mic. So he got to like run free, climb, you know, climbing the steps. I rewatched it. In my memory, it was way crazier and way more like over the top and wild. And then I rewatched it. And I was like, oh, he just goes up the steps and then he turns around and comes back down the steps. So it's like, oh, that's not that weird. You're like, you're conflating it with like the app to drive in. That one was, yeah, that one was where they're like, while standing on his desk. Well, he goes, Greg goes and gets on Conan's desk too. And Conan pulls out a glow stick out of nowhere out of his pocket and just starts like twisting. It's like, where did that glow stick come from? Very weird. And then they go back to the stage. And like, I think it's the the other guitar player, the rhythm guitarist, who's not on this record who he comes in after this record. He's like standing on his, he knocked his amp over and was like jumping on his amp or his speaker, at least cabinet. Because I think they didn't have like floppy hair, like kind of longish floppy, like half hawk kind of thing going on. I don't know who is who in the band besides Greg, and whoever's behind the drum kit at the time. Most of the pictures I see have been, I think he's always had kind of short hair and a beard. But maybe at this time period, he had, let me see if I can find that picture from 2007. Yeah, that's kind of tough. Maybe he's the one who's jumping on his. The other guy had like a weird, like, AFI haircut. No, I think he, I think Ben has, I think Ben has always had short hair. Okay, so then he would have been the one who was jumping on the, on his cabinet, laying flat on the ground. But he also did this weird, like, he would play guitar and then he would do like a quick, like, bringing like the headstock like up real quick, real high up real quick, just like, kind of like how like they would like, bands around the time within like, throw the guitar around their shoulder, like the show offy bands. He would like, throw it up real quick like that, but not actually go the rotation. He was just like, very, it was very intense, quick, like, jutting the guitar up that he did. And that's it. Anyway, rewatching it. I was like, not as over the top as I remember, but it's still cool. But then Conan comes out and he's like, a foot and a half taller than Greg. Greg, I'm like, Oh, it's Greg, a short guy. Tiny. Conan's very tall. Conan's very tall, but I think Greg's also short. So I think that, but he also had gigantic biceps. I was like, what, his biceps are as big as his head. I was like, what? That's wild. And then the other thing from that era, I actually saw Dylan Driscate plan live. It might have even been. Oh, you know what I pulled it up. What year was that? I had the exact 2008. Yeah. Because this record came out into in November, November, so the end of the year. And there was, so I saw them in Knoxville, of all places. Yes, it was January 19th, 2008, 16 years ago, with that 15 metal core bands. So it was one of those shows where it was two different tours converging into a single show. It was, I love when that happens, because usually it's like, that is a wildly stacked bill when that tends to happen. The only other time I remember that happening was like a show and Charlotte, where I was like off with their heads, their tour, like crossed over with like the Menzinger's tour. And so it was just like eight bands playing wild set. So this one was as I lay dying as the headliner, Dylan Driscate plan, August Burns read evergreen terrace still remains and white chapel. And Dylan Driscate plan was easily the best band, the most fun band on that whole show. And they did the thing where they got the big construction lights, the big white construction lights pointed them at the audience. And like they would flash with the music stolen from botch. But yeah, everybody stole it from botch. Everybody worked. They weren't using it. Yeah, they were done. They were done at this point. But I remember I was like, man, this is the best set out of all of these. Yeah, that is my, that is my experience with the Dylinger at the time. Do you want to go? What do you want to do? Do you want to do the actual album? Talk about that? Or do we want to talk about a little bit of the story going into it as we can set this? Yeah, we can kind of tell the story going into it. Surprisingly, a lot of story going into this record. Yeah. So Dylan Driscate plan, like we said, they start New Jersey. They come from the ashes of local bands. The name comes from some friend of theirs was watching a documentary on John Dylinger. And it talked about like his multiple escapes from jail because he was like super famous for just escaping prison all the time. And that's where the name Dylinger escape plan came from. So they did a couple EPs, a debut self titled, and then they're under the running board. And then their live show kind of really develops a reputation. They're like known for being like an over the top antics, you know, destroying stuff, destroying each other, destroying their bodies, kind of ban. So they became famous for their live show. This gets relapse attention and relapse gives them a multi album deal. Like they hadn't put out an LP yet and relapse is like, you want to do a bunch with us? I guess that live show was just so good that they were like, we got to do this. And under the running board is considered a really good AP. They released their debut, calculating infinity in 1999. This Dylinger is known for having lots of band members throughout the years. I think it's because they're literally burning in the mouth. Like they just like destroy themselves in these bands. Because a lot of times they leave because they're too injured to continue. But the original LP features Dimitri Minikakis as the lead singer of the group. And he eventually decides like, Hey, I want to leave the band. I want to focus more on like graphic design and art. And I'm sure being in Dylinger's game plan is also too physically demanding. So he's done. So the band puts out like, Hey, we're going to put out this instrumental version of the song 43% burnt and then ask people to record vocals over it and then send them send it to us. So Greg was just a fan. Greg Picciato was just a fan of the band. And he sends in a tape. He does two versions. He does one that's kind of mimicking Dimitri, like kind of doing the Dimitri style vocal. And then he does one of his own like take on it, his own unique take on it. And so the band practices, they invite him in, they rehearsed with him two times. And they're like, you got the job, you're in. In the meantime, they did record an EP with Mike Patton, a faith no more fame. And that EP winds up coming out like way after Greg has officially joined the band. It takes for a really long time to get that put out for some reason. And during that time period, they also had Sean Ingram of coalesce perform vocals for their crazy set fest in 2001, which I wonder if there's footage of that because I can't imagine that would have been amazing to see just how intense that set probably was. But then with Greg, they do their breakthrough record Miss Machine 2004. To answer your question, there is a full set. Nice. Sean Ingram, Villager escape plan. That's pretty funny. Yeah, it looks the footage looks like shit. Yeah, it's probably VHS 2 in 2001. Oh, it's unlistenable. Oh, one of those blown out. It's completely destroyed. Yeah. Too bad. Oh, I think Don't get down through the cloud. Look at that thread dropping off of the heel. She walks my feet through as she was. My heel too loud. Don't miss it from my balloon. If you want to try just don't do it alone. Don't say no there's no doubt. Oh, not for me. Just drop me out. He crept up like a disease. Lookin' like a girl who tried to save your heart once. Try to play. Let you take it the right arm and be talkin' to me. When you thought you'd tear my skin for long. She's a little coward and you need me. Oh, don't you, just drop me in the hole. Start to get down. You'll get it from me in the hole. When you want to go home, but you don't have a right. Don't touch your face. Don't touch the blade. You must not just wait. So they go on tour to support Miss Machine. That album is critically acclaimed. It sells really well. It does really well. It gets talked about quite a bit. That's probably when I first became aware of them. Like I heard about them. All that album cover everywhere. New is well regarded. Probably didn't listen to it for a while though. But they go on tour. The band has suffered multiple injuries. It's like they're like a wrestling promotion. I got to take a year off because I got a neck injury leg injury. Ben Torres rotator cuff. He had to have rotator cuff surgery because of how hard he was playing. He also had serious neck problems, but he refused to do the surgery for it. He needed surgery. That's pro wrestling. This is like edge. Like I had to have neck surgery or Kurt Angle having neck surgery next final fusion surgery so they could come back and wrestle a year later. But like, but he didn't want to do it because he didn't want like the recovery time. Just so like took it to the head and then I kept going. It just got worse. They're just like a violent live show. And I was reading that they were like they got sued a bunch of times for like destroying venues and equipment at shows that they they toned it down eventually. They're like, we can't we can't be sued anymore. Like we're in ruins, but so he has ever created rotator cuff surgery. They go on tour with Coheed and Cambria, which is a very funny mix of bands, I think, but also probably a really fun show. And with four dates left on the tour, Ben goes home because for undisclosed personal reasons, which turned out later to be like medical and financial reasons. So he's physically and financially ruined at this point. And then also, apparently him and drummer Chris Benning, they for years have had a really bad relationship and they would argue constantly and fight and just the tensions between them were terrible. Just awful awful. So during Ben's time at home, he starts resting and he's just basically healing from touring. And he starts to experiment with sound design and electronics, which then become a really big part of this record. Like the electronic elements of this are a really big deal. They did on that Mike Patton fronted EP. They cover Come to Daddy by a fix twin. And I think working with Mike Patton covering a fix twin is 100% why I work as the record that it is. Yeah, like those two despite Greg not being on that EP, it's still very much an influence that that experience is like explains fireworks completely. So also, they are they're working on the record. They're writing it. And apparently during like they were about to go into the studio, Chris Penney says, Hey, I'm quitting Billinger and I'm going to go play drums and go hate in Cambria because their drummer was leaving at the time. Josh Eppard was leaving at the time. And I guess they did the tour together. And that's where they made the connection with him. And they're like, let's get him to come play very odd, very odd drummer to have on in Coheed Cambria fun fact, he was in the band and was supposed to record on the Coheed record that came at that year. That's the good Apollo part two that came out that year. No world for tomorrow. I think his name of that one. Yeah, it's the one with the comic drawing on the cover. So he was supposed to play drums on the record. He wrote the drum parts for the record, but he's not on it due to contractual obligations. So, because it was so close to recording fireworks with the Dylinger that he wasn't allowed to play on the Coheed record. So they got Taylor Hawkins of Foo Fighters to drum on that record, which honestly better fit because when when Chris does wind up performing on a record, he plays on the next record, you're the black rainbow. And people are like, what the fuck is this? People are not weird. That record is not liked. They're a good song. It's a good record, but the production is really weird. And it sounds like a Dylinger record production more than it sounds like a Coheed record. And I think everybody was like, Chris Penny ruined Coheed. And then he leaves the band right after that. But like, I think people were unhappy with Chris Penny and Coheed. But so Coheed's like, all right, well, the last. That was the prequel album, because like Claudia wrote a novel to go with that record. Wasn't there a member of Coheed and camera that got arrested? Yeah, I think I was Travis. I think I was their bass player. No, I think it's my Travis. Travis Deaver is still in the band. It's like always been there. I think it was Michael Todd, the bass player. Michael Todd. Okay. Yeah, it. Yeah, because he tried to rob a CVS using a note to get pain killers because he was addicted to pain killers. And like, it's a wild story because he goes to the CVS. He tries to rob it. I think fails to actually do it because I don't think he has a gun or anything. He's just like, did the note trick to try and like get them to like, yeah, give me all your pain pills. And they're like, no. And he's like, okay, he leaves. He has a, he has someone drive him there. I think he had like a car drive him, like a cab or something, because this is pre Uber. But he has like a car drive him to the CVS to do this. He then drives to the show and then gets arrested when he arrives at the arena. He was actually arrested for armed robbery. Oh, so he was armed. Okay. I thought the story was he didn't actually have a gun, but maybe there's some like technicality that he was like charged because he said that he had a gun. Threatened with armed robbery attempted armed robbery doesn't maybe doesn't require an actual gun. Yeah, I don't know. So they're down a drummer. And at this time, they have a rhythm guitar player named Brian Benoit. And he develops, I didn't write it down, so I'm trying to find him. He develops brachial plexus neuritis in his left hand, which is basically nerve damage. So he's not able to really use his hands to play because it looks like it's like pinch nerves and like your neck, basically, that makes your, you can't play. And see, like everybody's injured in this band. Like people knock, they've knocked teeth out like this band goes too hard. You know, they always talked about. Was it Paul Wagner in between the very to me? You haven't a fucked up back because of playing too hard and between the very two. It's just a time period where it's just like these guys were destroying themselves on stage. Very weird. So Brian, they're like, Hey, you've always got a spot in the band. You know, we're never going to kick you out. We're not going to replace you unless you slowly quit. And so that's why on this record, there's only one guitar player. So he's not on this album. So it's this is a really weird record where they wind up trying to find a new drummer very short notice like they were about to go in a studio. And they put out some, you know, feelers to you that could get at one point, they were considering cynic founding drummer Sean Reiner to play with them. They wound up going with Gil Sharon. He was in the band stolen babies on the suggestion of poison the well drummer Chris Hornbrook. So the poison the well drummers like you should give this guy a try, you know. He's been a bunch of stuff. He went on to be in Maryland, Manson. Supposedly he was in the frittellies. Yeah. So yeah, this is a strange record. This is the first record where Ben is the only guitarist on the album. It's like the only record. I think he's the only guitarist on the album. This is the only record Gil Sharon is on. He winds up leaving after this record. And it's just, it's a weird experience going into it, but it winds up being like one of their most successful records. Like it hit number 142 on the billboard 200. It was a critical and financial success. It's also their last record on relapse record. So it's the end of their contract. It's just like a weird set of circumstances to make this album come come together. And it really works, I think, like revisiting it. I've probably listened to it since what oh wait, oh nine, I probably listened to it in this decade, maybe once or twice, but revisiting it. And I was like, she still holds up. What do you think of it? I think it holds up. I think it's a good record. So I really got into it then. It got super into it in like 2007 and 2008 and listened to it a bunch in like that year. And then like after that, I kind of moved past it. You know, I just spent moved my taste moved in different directions and got obsessed with other things. And it was definitely not one that I felt like, you know, I don't think I ever got to a point where I'm like, I don't like this record anymore. It was just like, I feel like listening to it. They just fell out of of my attention. I think if anything, it mostly fell out because of its category of just being like, I'm not listening to a bunch of normal gene. I'm not listening to a bunch of between the barrier to me. I'm not listening to the number 12 looks like you, you know, all the time, like I'm just like kind of steadily losing interest in those Matthew technical bands. You know, mostly just being like, Oh, I'm super into convergent super into coalesce. I'm into those like much more raw bands. Yeah, it just. And then also like, yeah, the smart, the brown pants metal, you know, much less interested in master on a nicest and all of that other stuff in Baroness and stuff that we were listening to the kind of relapse bands that we would have been listening to. You know, as time goes on, just not as interested in that stuff and kind of just fell out of habit. You know, became didn't become something that I continuously reached for. And I didn't really expand. So like, I got really into this record, but I didn't branch out from it in the Dylinger escape plan, discography at the time. I didn't really get into this machine. Then when the next record came out, I didn't really give it much of a try because it was just a lot less interested in that kind of stuff. So they just didn't become a fan that I like was super into. I have revisited. You know, I've probably heard Miss Machine since then and I've revisited calculated and calculating infinity in recent years and like, that's a really good record. I think that's a really good album. You can definitely see its influence on tons of bands, but I haven't listened to this record in a long time. Man, I bet I haven't listened to this record since I was in college. Wow, I want to say, yeah, I may have thrown it on like once a year the entire time I was in college or, you know, had songs come up on shuffle. But then once I graduated college, I was like, I'm done. Never come back. You know, haven't come back to it since. I've maybe heard a song since then. So it's really interesting to revisit this record because it's still extremely familiar to me, which I guess shows how much I listened to it then. But even still, like I said, I don't feel like I listened to it that intensely then. I think it really is just, I think it's just a really memorable record like that, you know, 15 years later. I still remember a lot of it like really distinctly remember words to songs and like kind of know what to anticipate in a lot of sections. I mean, like, oh, yeah, there's going to go into this part, which is, I mean, I guess I say that, but that is kind of an issue with the cylinder escape plan that I have had is like, it is very much that. You know, stop, start kind of riffing that I'm like, wow, this is how do you remember how to play this. I can't really keep track of what you're doing. Yeah, that is like, I think that's why I never got into Dillinger the way I got into the rest of the four horsemen of the meth. Which horsemen are Dillinger escape plan is the most technical of the, I mean, I guess. Okay, what are the, what are the four horsemen pestle on the death. I meant the wrestling stable. I was like, who's the most technical wrestler of the group. Oh, I guess it depends on which version of the horsemen we're looking at here. It's not, they're not the enforcer. They're not on. They're not on. It could be Tully. It could be Tully. Who else? Who's the others? I'm trying to think. I mean, I mean, I guess if you're counting like, it's Rick is technically the most technical. The 15 years of four horsemen, like, there's a lot of different people. Yeah, I mean, I guess you Molinco was a horseman at one point. Yeah, right. Yeah, Chris Benoit, yeah, was one too. I mean, if you're using the entire one, then yeah, Dean Molinco. That's the technical. He's the technical wizard of the whole horseman. Yeah. Dillinger escape plan are the Dean Molinco of math course. Yeah. I mean, man of a thousand holds. Very much. Dean Molinco being a cruiserweight seems off to me too. It's only because he was short, but it's short. He was like the PWI, like, because he's not much taller than Rey Mysterio. He was like the wrestler of the year one year from PWI magazine and a period where, like, someone like that is never the number one wrestler. So it was like a very odd year. Like it's like between like Hulk Hogan and Sting, you know, that kind of thing. Like Dean Molinco. I think it's because he was doing some stuff in Japan at the time. That was what got him that. Yeah. Yeah. Dean Molinco, great, great technique wrestler. I love him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This record probably helped it become something, you know, the one record that I really bonded with by Dillinger escape plan is that it is not as technical. Yeah. There's much more emphasis on sound design and song craft. You know, it's not just, it's not just the sound of a hard drive, of a, of a CD burner. So this record does, has three modes to me. There's the Dillinger escape plan. Traditional Dillinger escape plan, calculating, offending, miss machine style. Yeah. It's that techie chaotic stuff. It's your, it's your songs, like fix your face and knock, knock on. Yeah. And like maybe what, like party smasher. Yeah. And those are there. Those are definitely present, very prevalent parts of the record. But then you have, really, there's only two songs like this, but you have black bubblegum and milk lizard. Those are probably the two, I won't say they're the two most outside the sound because there's definitely more weird stuff on here than this. But those are the two, like, these are the melodic songs. These are like the ones where they're like, we're trying to sing a little and not just only do like yelling and screaming. And like, but black bubblegum, fur is like weird and like hard as it is. It's very poppy. Like it has such a really good hook to it, a incredible chorus. The chorus of that song is amazing. And it's just, it's, you can sing along to it, which is not a thing you could ever done before with Dylan Drew's Gate plan, and you can't really do with much else on the record, even milk lizard, which is like the second most melodic song on the record. It's still like the music is very chaotic on that one. That song also features trumpet, which I fucking love hearing it in that song. So cool. But those two are like the most like melodic songs on the record. There's a reason why like they got to play on Conan O'Brien with, with black bubblegum. It's like catchy enough that you can get some mainstream attention with that. And I fully believe that that's the song, that's the reason why I liked the record, is that song was on there. And I was like, this song is so good. I really liked it. It was the thing that got me to listen to the record and like I enjoyed it, the whole thing. But like that was the thing that got my foot in the door of this album is how good that song is. I've probably listened to that song many times over the last decade, just because I was just like, it's too good. It's too good. If this band disappear, if I had to erase the entire Dylan Drew's Gate plan, discography, except for one song, I'm keeping black bubblegum. That is the one song to hang on to. Also, it's the most really sound like where Greg sounds like Mike Patton, like he has a very similar kind of quality to his voice. Mike Patton's got way more range and can do lots of different things. But like, yeah, as far as like the, just the melodic song stuff, sounds very much like, like his faith no more era stuff. And the third sound is straight up effects twin, just digital beats and squiggly, scratchy, little like sounds and programming and sound design type stuff. And I like it a lot. I mean, that's my favorite kind of effects twin stuff is that stuff. It's like the shorter songs and like just more of just an emphasis on like the cool design and effects and stuff. So ambient effects twin is actually quite good. There's a reason why selected ambient works is like a classic of the genre. I don't always want all this to ambient music, but when I do, that's a good one. So yeah, like so them doing come to daddy by effects twin with Mike Patton is kind of like, and that's what my works kind of winds up being. Yeah. There's all those. Yeah, it's just these little skittering like weird sounds that things kind of like veer across like the stereo image and there's these like, yeah, there's like little jazz fusion there are more dynamic songs like the last run of the record like that run of dead is history horse hunter mouth of ghosts where there's a lot of dynamic range that happens in those in those songs and there's slower moments in these really intense build ups. And so there's a bit too of like the post metal kind of stuff going on around this time. It's a really interesting record in the way that it it just kind of like catalogs different things that they can do like, which is weird because like prior to this, you know, it's mostly just, you know, it's just yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of time signatures stop starts panic chords. Yeah, I was I was trying to think of them too, because it was like they, these were like jazz timing and stuff like that in their in their music. And they definitely out of all of those big names. I was trying to think like who who has the harder parts. I want to say it's probably Dylan's or Dylan's, you're probably feels like the harder music to actually play. Yeah. I mean, the Mount Rush more of math core bands that Dillinger's Cape plan are the ones that like you can actually say are mathematical. Yeah, though I will say coalesce has lots of wild times where I'm always like, I'm like, how are you doing this? Like, how are you keeping this? It's more like the pattern. Like, how did you memorize this pattern coalesce definitely does some odd measures. They do a lot of yeah, like extra beats added to measures and yeah. Yeah, I was trying to think like, man, if you put like wasn't James Dewey's was the drummer for coalesce and like you put him up against like a Chris Penny or even the Skillshare own guy. I'm like, I feel like he's going to get blown away by these guys, but Jesse's going to hit harder. Yeah. Yeah, this record does, it's you're right, those last like three tracks, those are probably the most varied of the songs on the record. The slower, especially the closer, like mouth of ghosts, which is like a really slow song with like lots of piano on it, but there's a weird stretch in the middle of the record. They did a good job with this. The record's 38 minutes long, which is not too long. This time period, it definitely could have been a lot longer. Most of their contemporaries were probably making longer records, especially like their relapse contemporaries, like I don't how long is the red album, but Baroness, that might be a bad example, because Baroness is kind of like, yeah, they may have, I don't know, Baroness does double albums. The record album is 44 minutes long. So yeah. That could be longer though. For them? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like what's a mastodon record in? Oh yeah, that'd be good comparison. The 5th and it's 46 minutes, what is like, crack the sky is 50 minutes and then a blood mountain is like also 50 minutes. Yeah. But the, so for this record, like after they do is under 40 after black bubblegum, but between black bubblegum and milk lizard, the longest song is two minutes and 10 seconds. Yeah. When I was listening to this and making my notes, when acting as a particle, nangai gong, and when acting as a wave, they all went by so fast that I thought they were all the same song. And then I had to like go back and kind of like, oh wait, I need to make specific notes about each track. So I had to like redo multiple of those tracks just to be like, what did this one do? You know, what is this? Like some of them are just like pure like an interstitial and then others are actually like a more of a song, but like those, that stretch right there. Well, the acting as a particle and the acting as a wave are like, they're kind of the instrumental skip tracks, but they're not skip tracks. Like I think they are interesting, like do interesting things. They, they're like, they're already kind of, you know, kind of avant garde, little weird things. And what's their short and they're super like, they're short and they don't, they don't have the potential to be that annoying. And they build into and out of, yeah, that was why I was like tricked by all those tracks because they blend into each other so well that I was like, okay, these are like, this is an intro to a song where it's like, no, that's the whole track. The next part is its own song, you know, I imagine if they play any of those live, they do play them kind of like run together as a, as a string. I don't know if they do. I don't know what they, what their life set consisted of this time period, but because when acting as a particle, it builds up to a, to a much harder hitting riff at the end. And then when acting as a wave starts with like, I'll riff and you think it's going to be a full song, but then it just kind of like dismantles and, you know, falls apart as it goes. So yeah, it was definitely a very careful sequencing of, and I think the whole record has good sequencing. Like you have kind of fixed your face and lurch and more of what you expect from Dylinder's skate plan, and they hit you with black bubblegum, and they do the thing where track three is like a different song, but it's like, what a song. Yeah, I was like, track three is the slow song and I'm like, is slow the right word for that song? I don't think it is, because not really that slow. It's slower, I guess, than those two, but yeah, it's soaring and, and themic and powerful and totally, it's super catchy and different. Like, it's a great song. It's one of the best songs on the record. Yeah. It's, it is, it's sequenced really well, and they did a good job of like, by putting the, the slower, more like, would you describe those songs as more just kind of like, post metal, post rock influence songs at the end instead of like in the middle, you're not killing any momentum on the record. You're maintaining. And in fact, by putting them kind of the way they did, they build well, you know. Yeah. Yeah, because it's a, it's a, it's a big satisfying ending. Yeah. For the record. Yeah. The whole album feel bigger and longer than it is without making it feel tiring too. Mm. Yeah. The closer's mouth of ghost, and it's like a six minute and forty nine second song. So it's almost seven minutes long, but like, it feels like an album closer, like an album closer to me is like, it's allowed to be the longest song on a record, just because if, it's doing its job right, and like it's giving the album like a sense of finality and just like a denouement even, you know, just like something to go out on. I have no problem with it being belong to song on a record, you know, sometimes it's just a long song. And you're like, why is it so long just within the record already? But no, I didn't feel like that had enough different moving parts to it that it, it works really well. Like it's not, it's a slower song, but it's not like a soft song by any means. Yeah. Sequencing is excellent on this record. I don't know if that was the band's decision or like the producer they worked with or the label or what, but yeah, it's smart, smart way to do this record. And then ends on a really hooky chorus too. Like it builds instrumentally on the last track for a while, and then the vocals come in and they're really distant and then they get closer, you know, more and more up front. And it's like, it's a big chorus. It's like a black bubblegum chorus. And it's a good record. It's a really good record. I was, I was surprised a little bit. I remembered it as being a good record. I remembered really liking it. I was not 100. I had a feeling it would hold up. I wasn't 100% sure. I, I think I probably expected it to have more of the like Miss Machine technical Dillinger stuff than actually is on the record. Yeah, it's not as much of that as you think. And really like a lot of songs is not even the whole song. It's just like a part of the song. We'll do that more techie, you know, math course stuff. But then like they'll go into like, that's when they go in with like the weird like electronic stuff. They go in like the softer like piano parts like, yeah, I listened. So I did the thing. I listened to Miss Machine and I listened to option paralysis. I didn't finish option paralysis, but I started it and Miss Machine is good. It's really good for the genre and the style. Like I really, I really like it. I see why it became as big as it did. And then option paralysis is like, it's mostly in their style. Like I said, I didn't finish the whole record, but they are trying to go a little bit more melodic within that style. I don't feel like there's any black bubblegums on that record though. I works as their best, I think. It's not the critical consensus. If you use the usual for your music, you know, to see what each album is rated. This is actually like kind of in the middle. I don't really like their later records. They're really well regarded. Yeah. They, their discography is very positively revered, regarded. Highest rated record is, yeah, one of us is the killer. It's their most popular too. Weird. Is that a, no, no, no, I take that back, technically I can finish the most popular. It's almost got 8,000. But yeah, one of us is the killer as the highest rated on here. Lowest rated is option paralysis, but second lowest is fireworks. Yeah. It's like, I don't think that's right. Maybe it's because we're not the typical Dillinger listener. Maybe we come to this record because it's not just a pure math core record and because you and I get our fix elsewhere with that kind of thing. Yeah. So what we want out of Dillinger is this record and the more like melodic and experimental stuff than the just like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, you know, we listened to the cherry record for the same year to get that, you know. Yeah. So like, I did actually check. I pulled up like the math core chart for 2007. Not a strong year. It was, I think it's between year for a lot of the bands in this, in the genre. This is like number one. And then there's like a car bomb record. Number 12 looks like you architects. This is kind of the beginning of them coming in. The chariot, Syopus as a record. I think Syopus is probably more inspired by Dillinger than any of the other bands in this style. But yeah, it's like horse the band. See you next Tuesday, like we got a lot of deathcore in here too. Yeah. It's not a year. Like nobody else. Ruben's on here. The Bledder even on here. Yeah. It's just like not a huge year for the sound. I mean, this being like one of the biggest records very well regarded to like top albums in revolver, kering and decibel, like it's like it's either between number one, two and three on each of those magazines. One of the list, it's like it's number two and then like number one's red album and number three is the high on fire record. And I was like, so you just are you were bought by relapsed records to put their records in the top three that year. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not their most popular or their best regarded record, but I think I I like it the best. I enjoyed the most out of everything I heard. So they released three more records. For Alice is in 2010 when I was the killer in 2013 and disassociation in 2016 and then the band winds up calling it a day in 2017 playing their last show until what two weeks ago? There you go. As of this recording, a delicious game plan have reunited. And they played no values fast, whatever that thing was called. And they are not they are fronted by Demetri. Yeah. Now I saw that. I was like, weird. Like I get it. Acculating affinity was like, that's I guess it's the record, right? Like that's the one where you're like, Oh, you never heard this band. Let me play you 43% burn. You know, like that's what you play. So I guess it's it's it's neat. It's neat that they got Demetri back, but like does Demetri do Greg songs? Yeah. Demetri only has like that first LP and like a handful of EPs like the two EPs. So like, what what is it? Demetri said, is that why Jello Bayofra came out and they did California Uber Alice? Because which Jello came out like in multiple band sets. That was weird. Where everybody was like, Jello, you want to come do our set, come play an R set too? But yeah, it's odd. It's odd to have Demetri be the one that you bring the band back though the versus in the band currently. So Benjamin Benjamin is the only permanent member who's been in every lineup. It's his band. We have Demetri currently is Liam is currently in it. Back when he joined, he never quit. And then we have we currently have Billy Rimer on drums. He took over in '08. So he's on option paralysis and James love as the rhythm guitarist. So yeah, though Greg is currently involved in the band better lovers, which consists of most of every time I die, right Jordan Buckley is a guitarist there. It's so weird that Keith and Jordan don't get along, but also Clayton Holly Oak. He was the drummer at the very end of every time I die. Steve Mish. He was like, yeah, he was the bass player and then Will Putney is he in the, he may be the non. Yeah, he was not in every time I die. He was like fit for an autopsy and yeah, mainly. So yeah, he's currently involved in that that group and he had some other stuff too. That Queen killer be killed, but yeah, so yeah, that's a still under escape plan. Yeah, I think it holds up. I think it's good. I think it's, let's give it a rating. I'm going to give it, why don't I give it a 4.0. I think that's where I'm going to land with it. Yeah, I feel like it's a solid four. Yeah, I, I'm not sure how much I'd reach for it now, but I was really happy to revisit it. I, I think it surpassed expectations on revisiting it. Yeah. I'm definitely surprised at how good it was still, how much I still enjoyed it, because I could see myself being like, eh, you know, it could have been that kind of record, or I was like, there's some cool stuff, but overall, the record is grading or too long or something like that. But no, they, it's enough variety on here that it really, it really still works all these years later. Do you remember it could, yeah, it could have very easily been like, well, I like black bubble them, but uh, yeah, yeah, hey, everything else. Do you, do you remember go, going to the untouchables pizza place, the shitty pizza place near our parents, and we went and got, we must have gone to get lunch. Oh, those usually, we would usually only ever go there for lunch, go to the buffet. We went there and they had one of those, they had like a touch tunes carry, um, not karaoke, but jukebox. Yeah. And playing black bubble gum on the jukebox there, I didn't, but now are you saying that? Like, wow, like, I actually, I kind of remember that now. Yeah. I just remember us like going up to it and like, just like he he he, let's, let's see what we can find on here. And we were just like, what would be crazy to play in here. We found like billinger escape plan, but for some reason, we're like, don't play one of this, one of the math core songs, just play the one that sounds like a rock song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we chickened out at the last minute, well, it's, well, we don't want to like ruin people's lunches. They're going to come turn it off, but that was, I think the thing. I was like, you want to pick a song that's not going to get cut off because they will, they can't cut them off. There's like a bar and Hickory that had, uh, they had one of those touch change things. And if they play, if you played something obnoxious or like annoying or something that nobody wanted to hear, they had like a pedal behind the, the bar, they could just hit and it would just kill it and go on to the next song. So you had, you had to be like, I don't want to waste my money, you know, I want to get my play. And at least I completely forgot about that, but yeah, that's probably the only time we ever did it too. We ever paid for a song there is also like probably mostly empty. Yeah. There would have been a, like, yeah, maybe two other tables in there. Yeah. And the staff, yeah, who was like always the same people, probably still is some of the same people. Uh, no, I've been there recently, uh, actually, uh, I got some stuff to go for like Father's Day and, uh, something else Mother's Day too, even. And yeah, got in there, different people, but then they're the same kind of people. You know, you're like, you're, you're not the same person, but you're the same type of person that was here, the same font, uh, the same like teen to early 20s, uh, female servers in a rural area. Yeah. You know exactly the type they all work there, everybody's got their hair to butt on top of their head. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, I think that will do it for this week unless you have anything else. I think that's it. Yeah. Good pick. Good pick. Not on either way, honestly, but, uh, it, it worked out. It was a good one. Well, thank you everyone for listening and you can follow us on all forms of social media at punklado pod, punklado pod at gmail.com is our email and you can call our voicemail line and leave us a message to eight to, nope, that's not right. And I'd love to give up my personal phone number on the two, two, six eight, two, two, six, eight, eight punk. They go to my phone. 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