Beyond The Horizon
The Long Island Serial Killer: John Ray And His New James Burke Allegations (7/17/24)
Rex Heuermann is a suspect in the Gilgo Beach serial killings, where multiple women were found murdered on Long Island. Heuermann, a 60-year-old architect, has pleaded not guilty to the charges, which include the murders of several women found along the remote beach highway.
Attorney John Ray, who represents the families of some victims, has been vocal about the case. Ray has made several claims, including suggesting that Heuermann's daughter, Victoria, may have been involved or at least aware of the murders. He presented graphic images from a Tumblr account he claims belonged to Victoria, which depicted scenes of torture and cannibalism similar to how the victims were found. These claims have been met with strong criticism from the defense, including attorneys representing Heuermann's family, who argue there is no substantial evidence linking Victoria to the crimes. They emphasize that she was not born at the time of some of the earliest murders and was out of town during others.
Ray has also introduced new witness testimonies that allegedly connect Heuermann to additional victims, further complicating the case and drawing more attention to the ongoing investigation.
However, his allegations have been called into question by many people involved in the case and others following it.
In this episode, we get a look at the newest allegations made by Ray for ourselves.
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Gilgo Beach lawyer calls for new probe into disgraced cop chief James Burke over 'snuff film link' in Rex Heuermann docs | The US Sun (the-sun.com)
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- 17 Jul 2024
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What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. So John Ray, the lawyer for Shannon Gilbert's family, is still banging around talking about an investigation that needs to be launched into James Burke over snuff film links. No, don't get me wrong, I think that James Burke is an absolute creep. But do I think that he is the Gilgo Beach killer? Do I think that he has anything to do with the people who are murdered at Gilgo Beach or left at Gilgo Beach? I do not. So, let's get to this article from the US Sun, and let's see what Mr. Ray has to say. Headline, Gilgo Beach lawyer calls for new probe and to disgrace cop Chief James Burke over snuff film link in Rex Jorman Docs. This article was authored by Luke Kenton. A disgrace cop who botched the crucial early stages of the Long Island serial killer probe should be investigated in connection with the case over potentials not film links to Rex Jorman, a lawyer says. Jorman 60 appeared in a New York court last month and was charged with the murders of two more women on Long Island, Sandra Castilla, and Jessica Taylor, bringing the total count against him up to six. And like I've said before, I think that count is going to climb astronomically. There's no way in hell that this guy is only responsible for six murders, especially considering everything that we have learned about this dude since his arrest. You mean to tell me that you truly believe that there's only six people that he has murdered? My guess is we're talking more Gary Ridgway type numbers. Saturday marked one year since the hulking six foot four former architect was arrested on a busy Manhattan street. In court documents released last month, prosecutors unveiled a trove of evidence against Jorman, including a deleted document recovered from his hard drive that officials allege he used to meticulously plan his killings and map out steps to cover his tracks. Detectives also allegedly recovered a cache of violent pornography from his computer that they claimed aligned with how Castilla and Taylor were found. Well, there's no doubt that this dude left a treasure trove of evidence in his wake. And he really thought that he was never going to get caught. He's been doing this for so long, so many decades that he truly believed he was never going to get caught. Well, breaking news, dumbass, enjoy your time in jail. Can you imagine the sort of shit this dude was up to in this house down in that basement? Oh, and I know it was just a gun seller, right? Oh, that vault, it was just a gun vault. Yeah, sure, okay, sure. You think I'm believing that nonsense? I'm almost positive that when all is said and done, and we get all of the information about this scumbag and what he was up to, we're going to find out that he was murdering people, not only down in that basement, but in that room that he was storing all of his guns in. Why does he need that big ass blast door on that room if he's not using it for some disgusting ass purpose? He has some grown ass kids, what he has to have that kind of blast door so that his adult kids can't get into that room. None of that makes sense, it didn't make sense then, and it doesn't make sense now. Violent sexual videos documenting actual murders or the violation of corpses are otherwise known as snuff films. Prosecutors did not state where they believed the material originated from, or if the material was homemade. Details in humans allege planning document detailed reminders to get photo film and later dispose of pics. So you know that this dude was documenting what he was doing, you know that he was documenting every last thing he was doing. Abusing these women, abusing them and not only that, but taking videos and pictures. And I know he says in this document about destroying this evidence, but I have a hard time believing that he destroyed all of it. People like this, they like to keep a memento, right? So it's very rare that you find somebody as meticulous as Rex Huberman is or was when it comes to their killing who doesn't have a collection of trophies. The inclusion of such details in the court documents was of particular interest to Attorney John Ray, who represents the family of Shannon Gilbert, a sex worker, found dead on Long Island, whose disappearance in 2010, kickstarted the Gilgo Beach investigation. By the end of 2011, a total of 11 sets of remains would be found along or near the Gilgo Beach, including Gilbirds. James Burke was sworn in as Suffolk County Police Chief the following year and oversaw the crucial early stages of the Long Island serial killer investigation. If you even want to call it that, these dudes were like, you know what, these are prostitutes, who cares if they're getting killed, we don't have time for it. That's basically what Burke was up to. Now, do I think that Burke was involved in killing any of these women? I do not. Was Burke an absolute degenerate? 1,000%. But does that make him a killer? I haven't seen any evidence that would point me in the direction of Burke being a murderer. Burke has been widely criticized for mishandling the investigation. He actively blocked the FBI from assisting his department in what critics believe was an attempt to conceal the corrupt culture he was harboring and hide his own sordid exploits, which included patronizing sex workers and taking hard drugs. Look, there's no doubt he was up to all of that. Bro was out there, going to see sex workers was doing drugs, probably into all kinds of weird sex, right? Again, though, does that make you a murderer? Now, I know that John Ray has been banging this drum for quite some time about James Burke, but sometimes the truth is just what it is. And with all of the evidence that's been presented against Rex Huerman, I have no idea how anyone could look at this and be like, "Ah, you know what, they might have the wrong guy." His three or ten year his chief was marred with controversy and ended in 2015 after he was arrested for brutally beating a handcuffed suspect who had stolen a bag from his patrol car containing sex toys and pornographic materials. Who's driving around with a bag with sex toys in it? Like, unless you're going to your chick's house or your dude's house or whatever, but this guy just has to have his sex toys with him. What does he have to pull over and have a donut and shove the old butt plug in? I don't understand why you're driving around with a bag of sex toys. The suspect Christopher Loeb would claim years later on a podcast that Burke's bag contained incriminating evidence including a DVD of a snuff film. Loeb alleged the footage depicted as sex worker being tortured, he claimed the woman was bound and crying as she begged for her life. And again, look, maybe, I'm not saying that Burke wasn't into this kind of weird shit, he might be. But we haven't seen any proof, at least none that's been presented by the authorities, that say that Burke is connected to the Long Island serial killer besides his piss poor performance as the police chief. The allegations have never been verified nor have they been disproven. Since John Ray joined the case in 2011, he says rumors of snuff films and a local group of sickos exchanging the materials have been rife. One law enforcement source allegedly told Ray that Burke once watched a snuff film at work and openly laughed at the distressing images depicted on the screen. Again, doesn't make him a murderer, but certainly a sick bastard. A former colleague of Burke's Rob Trotta also told the U.S. son last year that Burke once asked him if he knew where to get a snuff film. Imagine your coworker asking you some shit like that. Hey Joe, you know where I can get a snuff film? Ray urged investigators to reexamine Burke and explore any potential social ties he may have had shared with Huermann. Speaking on June 7th, he said, "I've always suggested that Rex Huermann was involved in very serious dark web porn, and that has now been confirmed by prosecutors. And now we're looking at whether Huermann recorded that kind of material himself. And the inference I got last week is that he was taking photos or possibly making films of his victims. I think he was definitely doing that. Now were those… videos being distributed on the dark web or something? I don't think so, but maybe, maybe. I won't rule anything out when we're talking about sickos and psychopaths like Rex Huermann, but I haven't seen any information or evidence pointing us there yet. The chances he did are very high, and they might not just have been found yet, and that's a big yet. And in that regard we have to see whether he was connected to former Chief Burke because it seems that Burke had a similar taste and similar interest in that kind of material. Ray added that Burke needs to be looked at right now by detectives working the Gilgo Beach Probe. I'm sure they're looking at everybody, and that includes Burke. We know that his work is being poured over or was poured over by the investigators. So my guess is, if they found anything even remotely close to what Ray is accusing here, then Burke would be in big trouble already. But besides John Ray talking about this, we haven't heard anybody else talking about Burke being involved in any kind of murder or anything like that. Ray said that he believes there is a tapestry of perverts operating on Long Island and exchanging the kinds of materials described in Huermann's indictment. "The connections are widespread and bizarre. There's no telling where it's all going to take us," said Ray. "But there's a whole web of these people and they do know each other, either just online or maybe in passing socially, but they're all in the same field of perversion." Is Burke connected to all this? It's something investigators need to look at. Burke's lawyer has been contacted for comment about Ray's remarks. During a symposium in January, Ray shared previously unreleased statements from several women claiming to have shared frightening violent past encounters with Huermann. One of the statements issued by a woman identified under the pseudonym Alice Poe established the ledge social ties between Huermann and Burke. According to Alice Poe, she met Huermann in 1993 at a party hosted by James Burke at a budget inn along Montauk Highway in New York. Alice was a 16-year-old runaway and living at the motel at the time. Alice claimed she was invited to a party one Friday evening by a young mother she had befriended who also lived at the hotel per a copy of the affidavit obtained by the US son. Alice said the woman led her to an L-shaped room with two beds and little else that was being occupied by a group of men who were drinking heavily. There was one other white man who was there. He was the life of the party, talking to everyone he tried to convince me to get mad at my boyfriend who was not there, Poe's statement reads. The boisterous person was James Burke, she further claimed. I was told by someone at the party he was a cop and that another one of the men was a cop. I have seen pictures of James Burke when he was a cop and I'm certain that this talkative man at the party was James Burke. Alice alleges that Burke was passing around a crack pipe to other men at the party and goading them to smoke it, though she didn't see him consume the drug himself. At one stage she claims the cop repeatedly attempted to force her to take a hit of the pipe but she refused, causing his demeanor to change from the life of the party to hostile and aggressive. The affidavit reads, "Later Alice claims there was a knock on the door and a large man she believes was Huerman entered the room." The large man's presence caused commotion among the other people already at the party, Alice recounted, and she took the opportunity to attempt to leave. However, she claims that Burke ran and blocked the door to prevent her from doing so. "I began to feel frightened and tried to think of a way to get out of the room that wouldn't appear like I was attempting to leave permanently," wrote Alice. "I approached with a man with a brown hair and asked if I could have a cigarette and if he would come outside with me to smoke it. I planned to tell him I was going to go to my room for cigarettes once outside because I didn't like his brand. He agreed and we went outside." Once outside, Alice claims she encountered Huerman who was wearing a flannel shirt and leaning up against the wall of the motel, crouched at such an angle that she could not immediately see how tall he was at first. "He was pleasant to me. He seemed nerdy to me. I had begun to relax for counted Alex. I asked the man where he was from and he told me they were friends from Long Island and he liked a party. He told me that they wanted to hang out. The men wouldn't tell their wives. They had to take a trip for business purposes. He told me he wasn't married anymore and he said he owned a car dealership." Alice claims she made a sarcastic joke that car dealership owners wouldn't need to go on a business trip but the comment fell to amuse the tall man. "He began to look at me like he was angry. I told him I was going to my room to get cigarettes and began to walk past him," wrote Alice in the affidavit. "He quickly stood up from the leaning position and encircled me with his arm, urging me toward the door of the motel. He was now standing very close in front of me and I looked up at him. I could see that he was huge. I exclaimed that my God he was tall. I could see he was pleased at my shock. I tried to joke but he remained serious. I did not want to go back into that room. Yeah, I don't blame you. Imagine being this little girl and this whole entire situation is cracking off. Now that said, obviously we have to take it with a grain of salt. This is just her account. We don't know if this is true or not." To stall, Alice said she feigned interest in a nearby car and asked the tall man to show it to her. "When he brought me to the car, we were in the light and I could see him clearly. His sighs faced demeanor and attitude deeply scared me. She recounted in the affidavit. He no longer spoke nicely to me. I told him that if he would wait, I would just need to get my own cigarettes. I told him that I was scared because my room was far and in a dark area of the motel. I asked him to watch me and wait for me to return to keep him from suspecting that I was trying to get away. He let me go." Alice said that once out of sight, she ran back to her room terrified. Later that night, someone knocked on her door twice but she didn't answer and she didn't look outside. Alice said she never saw the man again. "We all have somewhere we're trying to get to. As the largest energy producer in Colorado, Chevron is helping meet rising demand and we're working to do it responsibly. 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She immediately recognized Huerman as the tall man who frightened her that night in 1993, the affidavit states, "Ray believes Alice's testimony establishes a concrete social link between Huerman and Burke that speaks to a wider conspiracy at play in Suffolk County." He alleged that personal relations between the pair may have hindered Burke from properly investigating the Gilgo Beach murders and Huerman as a suspect. The hunt to find the Long Island serial killer began in late 2010 when the remains of missing sex worker Melissa Bartholomew were found a long ocean parkway during a search for Shannon Gilbert. Within two days, three more women would be found dead at the roadside in similar positions to Bartholomew bound with either tape or belts. Maureen Brainerd Barnes, Amberlyn Costello, and Megan Waterman. By mid-2011, seven more sets of remains would be found, Shannon's among them. However, her death was quickly ruled and accident by police, although her official autopsy was inconclusive. Ray and Shannon's family have long contested that ruling insisting she was murdered and her death covered up by powerful locals who were friends with Burke, and they definitely lose me here. I think that Shannon had a mental break and that led directly to her death. Burke sat down as chief after his arrest in 2015, the following year he pleaded guilty to violating the civil rights of Christopher Loeb and orchestrating the cover-up of his crimes with the help of then-district attorney Thomas Spoda and a handful of other officials. After his conviction, numerous details about Burke's troubling past, corrupt antics, and alleged sexual exploits would come to the fore. The allegations included frequent consumption of hard drugs, patronizing sex workers, cross-dressing, and a history of violent behavior. Ex Suffolk County detective Rob Trotta claimed Burke's sordid escapades were an open secret among the department years before his long overdue arrest. Trotta and a handful of his colleagues authored an anonymous letter to county commissioner Steve Boulon in 2011, months before Burke's appointment as chief, urging Boulon to reconsider and highlighting a number of his prior transgressions. Mentioned in the letter was Burke was known to frequent prostitutes, routinely threatened his subordinates, and in 1995, two years after his alleged encounter with Alice Poe was disciplined after having sex with a prostitute in his patrol car. Disciplined? Not fired, huh? Okay, I guess. Trotta, who reluctantly retired a year after Burke's appointment, said he was unsurprised to see the wheels come off the Burke regime so quickly, but he should have never been permitted to become police officer in the first place, let alone chief. He charged. "The rumors were always everywhere," said Trotta. After I left the department and ran for office, on two occasions, I was in a room with Steve Boulon and he told him, "You've got to fire this guy, this guy's crazy." And Steve Boulon looked me straight in the eye and said, "I stand by him." What message are you sending to the rank and file cops that you can go and have sex with a prostitute in your police car and then you can still go on to be the chief of police? It blows me away. Me too. Talk about, absolutely screwed up. And if I was paying taxes in that part of the world, boy, I'd have some questions. Rumors conspiracy and innuendo have followed Burke around for years. After his arrest in 2015, various local officials, including Trotta, State Senator Phil Boyle, and John Ray, all call for Burke to be investigated in connection with the list case, believing him to be a compelling suspect. Those calls were annued by Trotta and Ray last year after Burke was arrested for attempting to solicit sex from an undercover cop in a Long Island park. Burke has never been formally accused or charged with any crimes related to the Gilgo investigation. However, Ray, like in Burke to Heurman, insisting the two men appeared have been cut from the same deviant cloth. Ray held a press conference on June 13th and leveled a series of accusations about Heurman's daughter, Victoria Heurman, and her alleged social media activity. Ray was widely criticized in the wake of the press conference with Victoria's lawyer, Vesmitiv, discrediting Ray's allegations as confused ramblings. This is bad legal kabuki, intermixed with the deluded and confused ramblings of a man who also thought that the Harry Potter series was the work of the devil. So there's nothing to comment on except that any coverage of this sad publicity stunt takes away from the actual investigation going on in this matter and the victims in this case, which have nothing to do with the sole client represented by this attorney, shared Mitev, and I agree with that honestly. As much as I don't like Mr. Mitev, I agree with what he has to say here. Ray's own client, Sherry Gilbert, Shannon Gilbert's sister, also spoke out against him on social media. Writing to ex-formally Twitter, Sherry said, "I do not agree with anything John Ray is doing. This is disrespectful, and I had no prior knowledge of this press conference or the evidence he was presenting today." A second post read, "He should have been there to discuss Shannon's case, period." He cuts his nose despite his face, "I do not condone his actions whatsoever." It took eight years to finally snare Heurman. The key to identifying him as a suspect came from an eyewitness account that had been sitting under the department's noses for years. The account, shared by Amber Costello's roommate, describes seeing the slain woman getting into his Chevrolet avalanche with an ogre-like man on the day she was last seen alive. Heurman's arrest came after six months long investigation and he has been charged with six murders. He pleaded not guilty at all charges and is due to reappear in court on July 30th. So John Ray and his allegations really don't hit home for me, but certainly something that has to be discussed, right? If you're an investigator, you have to look at every single angle and you have to make sure that you're not leaving anything on the table. And from what I've seen so far, it certainly seems like the investigators are doing exactly that. So like usual, we'll keep an eye on things and when we have some more information to share, we'll get it added to the catalog. 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