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Geekscape 23: Graham Eats Human Babies

Guest Co-host: Michael Lent - Reviews: 28 Weeks Later, Trailer: John Rambo, News: I Believe in Harvey Dent! Tintin the movie! Comics: Prey: Origin of the Species and Michael's books! Video Games: I guess we DO have to keep talking about Starcraft 2... And is the PSP getting an upgrade? Check out Michael's book Prey: Origin of the Species at your nearest comics shop! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Broadcast on:: 22 May 2007
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(upbeat music) - Hey guys, welcome to episode 23 of GeekScape. I'm Jonathan Lennon, I'm joined this week by Michael Lent. Michael, why don't you talk a little bit about yourself? - I'm a writer-producer based in Los Angeles, and I just have a graphic novel, "Pray Origin of the Species" with marble comics that just came out, and I also have a movie called "Hard Scrambled" with Kurt Woodsmiths from RoboCop fame, and that came out last month. - He's like, "Yeah, he's the dad from that '70s show." I was like, "No, he's Baudaker from RoboCop." And you also write a, you have a couple books published that we'll talk about? - Yeah, I have an upcoming book called "Christmas Letters From Hell," that's Simon & Schuster, that'll be out in August, and they're like fictitious holiday letters, Zany and Wacky. - And you've been stocking stuffers? - Yes, and yeah, you can stuff your stocking with this book, so to speak. And another book of mine, "Breakfast with Sharks," is about screenwriting and being a writer in Los Angeles, which is primarily how I make my living. And I have a couple of movies that are in post-production. One is "Witches Night," and that's a horror film that was shot in Wisconsin last fall, and that's kind of a deliverance, if you're a member of the original banjo boy in deliverance, in Bur Reynolds, it meets a covenant of witches, and some wackiness ensues, and decapitation as well. - That sounds like something that's perfect for our audience? - I think so. - I think it's very happy when we're watching this in banjos, like what like suspenders and barrels on. I got the internet working. I gotta play me some Halo 3 made up. - Give me that documentary deliverance. - Do you play any games? Do you play online video games? - I don't really have the time for it. - We're in New York, yeah. - That's what I'm talking about. In every online game, there's some redneck dude yelling and sniping people, and he makes a crap for everybody. So this is Geekscape, the movie video game and comic podcast over the next 45 minutes, so now we're gonna give you the latest news and reviews, and you can check out more stuff at kekscape.net. We're in between coders right now, where we're changing the behind the scenes of Geekscape. We're gonna overhaul Geekscape, get all the episodes available for everyone, and we're in the process of doing all that, so. - Is that why some of them are not available? - Yeah, but we've had some people be like, hey, where are the episodes? Right now I'm putting all the episodes at stage6.com, our good friends at Divx are putting them up there, and then once we have this new guy in, if you guys know good coders, hey, they can interview, but we're interviewing people now. Once we get this new guy in, he's gonna redo the site, we're gonna have a designer come in and make it look good, and have the magazine section kick ass. The news is gonna kick ass. Pro files are gonna kick ass, and the episode are gonna kick ass, so. Geekscape.net will happen. Right now, the big business on Geekscape.net is the forums. People love the forums, they love to talk to everybody, and to the whole community, so. That's really what this show is about. As much as it's about bringing you news and reviews on the show, that's only an hour a week. - Right. - The experience is 24/7 on the website, you know. People are like, Gilmore, who's a moderator over there, he's already reading popcorn. - This is his breakfast, folks. - Training for the Olympics. - Yeah, well. It's like how to get the taste of man out of your mouth. (laughing) - Mom, what a way to find out. - All I gotta got you into the iced tea. - Oh, it's amazing, we should have sponsors. - Well, we'll work on that, it kind of doesn't, yeah, we shouldn't mention them until. - Yeah. - And brought to you by Man Tastes. - Yeah. (laughing) - You sounded so anal-y right when I called you this morning. (laughing) - He said, "I don't want to write." He thought it was noon, he said, "Would you do a call?" - We had to scour. (laughing) - You're hibernating. - And a cocoon built from a spunk. - What? (laughing) - Yeah. - So let's talk about tracing the decline of Western civilization to this moment. And just this phase and this show. - Like a wedding. - And this popcorn. - And you just let that have a clip. (laughing) - The decline of Western civilization is sponsored by Man Rate. - Right. (laughing) - Not before we back about 28 weeks later is the movie this week. Did you see 28 weeks later? Did you like it? - No. - Okay, now Gilmore did not like it. I thought it was, did you like the original? The 28 days later? Okay, this is a sequel to 28 days later. It takes place 28 weeks after the, the rage zombie creating virus is-- - Zombie. - Is there-- - No, it's not zombie. Zombie like-- - The zerkers. - The zerkers is what they call it. - The zerkers. - Yeah. - I think it's a great work. - That's the technical term. (laughing) They taken over England, killed a bunch of people. Now 28 weeks later, most of them have, all of them have starved out and they're ready to start bringing citizens back in. And they put them in an island in London while they clear the rest of the city. Of course, they bring in two kids whose father played by Robert Kyle Lyle is working, there's a nice backstory where he watches his wife die instead of help her out. And-- - He doesn't watch her die. - Well, yeah, he runs away. Which is what I would do if you're gonna eat my zombies. I would actually throw you towards the zombies and then run. And yeah, these kids go into the city and they get out into the broader city and of course the infection starts over again and we have ourselves a zombie-like berserker movie with 28 weeks later. I thought the movie was, I could have stood for a style change from the first movie. You know, just to separate the two 'cause it does seem almost seamless style-wise. This is a different director. The last one was Danny Boyle. And this one is a Spanish second-timer. I think he'd done a Spanish film. But it wasn't bad. I didn't think the movie was that bad. I think you don't have to see it in the theater. You can see it in rental. - I watched it on my computer today. - Ben just funnel-fish done over here just so that he watched it on his computer. - Who's going to look into that? - Another blow to corporate sponsorship. - Wait, wait, wait a go buddy. His address for those of you over there at Fox-a-Tah. (laughing) You're gonna have people show up at your door. Have some rage to just throw it in your face. (laughing) - Rage. - Rage. (laughing) The movie, I thought the movie was fun, to watch in a theater. It would have been great in a full theater. You know, 'cause there were jumps and some of that. We watched it in a half-empty theater. - I think something, the trailer really, it was kind of enigmatic and you really couldn't get a sense of what the movie was from it. - It's almost a surprise that they needed to make a sequel to this film. I'm glad that they did. I did enjoy the movie. A lot of you guys, if you're not hungry though, to watch a zombie-like, this is her movie. You guys can wait 'til rental, but I thought the style was cool. I'm glad to see that the dude from Lost is working a little more outside of Lost. The Black dude plays Michael in Lost. - No way. - Yeah, well, it's in- - It was a helicopter pilot. - It was in Matrix as well. - Yeah, I recognize him as the Black dude from the Matrix. - Yeah, he plays Michael in Lost and Laura knew him from Oz. She loves Mademann Prison drama. - Come on, you played a gig with Kishio. - And he did play Mercutio in the- - Wait a second, Mercutio. - You're saying Mercutio was not gay? - Yeah. (laughing) - I startled. (laughing) - Hey here, you guys are gonna notice here the continuing geekscape episodes that Ben has moved from Seattle and he's adding a Thespian take on geekscape. He always throws out the Shakespeare stuff. He loves Broadway musicals and ladies, he's single. Come over here. - I just wanted to defend myself. Not gay, it's just that I have good taste in things. - Well, then tell us about your job and why you- (laughing) - Look at that. - Ben took a job. I won't tell you what it is, but you know, when you're moving to LA, a lot of people say I can't move to LA, right? I mean, you moved to LA. - Yes. - You had to get a job right away. - Right. - What was your first job upon moving to LA? - Not gay porn, I'm pretty sure. My first job, let me think. Oh, a real estate company, and then I had a teaching job for UCLA Extension, and I got a master's degree and all that. And it was at the Chino Men's Prison. - Oh, are you serious? - Yeah, you're serious, yeah. I taught screenwriting at the men's prison. - You better be the great bitch. (laughing) - You better have to learn that. - Yeah, no, that never happened. Although, a couple of times you'd have these lockdowns and they were- - These are Deus Ex Machina, you son of a bitch. - Yeah, I went, they give you a monitor to wear. It looks like a garage door opener. And if you hit that button, which I did inadvertently, I got so excited about talking about Ridley Scott and Blade Runner one time. And a guy, a guard with a sawed-off shot, got him came in and said, "Get down!" And I- - Whoa! - Periodically, anyone who doesn't get down. Get shot. (laughing) - No, did you get down? - I didn't know what the hell was going on, so I mostly dropped to a knee, and then my students were pretty upset because they could have been shot, because I'm an idiot. You know, that was the- - Well, how long did you do that? - For two years. - Yeah. - Well, that was my first performance. - Yeah, that was my, yeah, that was my, you know, I had to, I got up, they wanted somebody with credits and right away, right at film school, I had some options and sold some things and whatever, and they wanted to work in writer and go out there, and they tell you, "Oh, don't tell them where you live. "Don't tell them, you know, whether you're married, "don't tell them, you know, anything like that." Yeah, no details, 'cause they will find you, you know, you should get an unlisted number. Yeah, and so they go the first day, there's like 40 of them and they go, "Well, you know, are you in Los Angeles?" And I'm like, "I'm not supposed to tell you." I live in California, you know, that's what I said. They're like, "Well, what kind of screenwriter "could you be if you didn't live right in Hollywood?" So then like right away, you know, it was kind of a gotcha, you know, like thing. But you have to, you know, they ask me if I wanted to, they'll put you through training, and you can wear handcuffs and pepper spray, and I figured I'd be trussed up like, you know, "Thanks, given Turkey, you know, "these guys would get at that stuff." So I'm like, "I didn't want to send like a mixed message. "I'm a civilian." It was a zero hostage yard, which means theoretically they don't accept hostages in a situation. They don't negotiate for you? No negotiations now. So if you'd have been taken, they would have had to call in somebody like, "Did you ever see that movie, The Substitute?" Yeah, it did see that. And now I hadn't really thought about it. Or there's one that Dolph Lundgren is teaching at a school, and they started taking hostages, and Dolph Lundgren's gotta take them out. Yeah, private school. Sadly, I missed that one. No, it's good. But he was like a, he was a Borg. He was like an Arnhem. Oh, well, you're thinking of Universal Soldier with Van Damme, an excellent film. What, why are you laughing? I love that movie. Please, I just want to do it. And then of course they don't let 'em eat, and Van Damme had to kick some ass. So the summer, my teaching experience was like Universal Soldier. So yeah, they love the undead aspect of it. We're gonna have stories from Ben's first job in LA on subsequent episodes. Everybody explained it, though. I don't know if it's up to me to explain what you do. He basically deals with you. I mean, I mean, why don't you, why don't you sit down? And then, hey, guys, guys, 20 weeks later, don't see it, if you want to see it. It's all right. The girl in it's really hot. The girl in it is smoking hot. It's smoking. For being, I don't think she has to be. Do you think to, I don't think she is. I don't think she is. Or she said she is not okay. Let me tell you, I went to IMDB today when I saw it, just to make sure that I wasn't being dirty, and she doesn't have a profile on there. Yes, she does. No, but it doesn't. Yeah, she doesn't work with her. She does. She doesn't work with her. Like, he's been stalking her. I think she might be underage, but she's still not. I can't wait to do, I can't wait 'til you're learning screenwriting in a prison. And you can give us the other side of the story. I'm underage. You're always gonna be like, get down. What? She just gets cleaned off. So what is it that you do? Well, I take phone calls, emails. I help people get lonely people. Lonely people, sad people. Well, they're not always sad. They're kind of happy. Probably a lot of you guys. Yeah, you know, if you guys go to any of my sites, that's fine. Well, let's cut to the quick. So when you guys are signing up for a porn website, you don't want the credit card to say porn website when you get the bill. You want it to say something like, you don't have to name names, but you want it to sell them. Yeah, it'll have like, you know-- Something media. Yeah, harddrive.com or something like that. So-- You guys act as the-- I work for a billing company that handles porn websites. And, you know, if you guys want to give me a call some time, if you have trouble, you know, one hand typing. So you get a lot of calls from people who are like, hey, my password's not working. My username's not working. Stuff like that. And right-- I mean, dude, you've got to know that they're like tricking off right then. Oh, yes. You know, you get the calls like, hey, I can't get into the video. And you're like, hold on, sir. You're like, hold on, sir. Let me help you-- oh, that's enough. That's all I need in mind. Thank you. That was good. The best is the wives and mothers who don't know the best of the wives and mothers who don't know that the website is. What the-- I got a fifth. Oh, wow. I don't understand what it is. Could you tell me-- Oh, wow. But we can go into this later. Let's get you guys going to the show. OK. Wow. That'll come up in future episodes. There's a cliffhanger in there. Way to leave it on a cliffhanger, buddy. Wow. So this will sweetie. You want me to talk about this on the show later, too, right? Yeah. OK, I will. I will. Yeah, we got a packed show. Michael, did you see that Sylvester Long's doing a new John Rambo movie? No, I guess I'm not surprised with all his legal problems. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] He's going to be in my class next week. Not only does Sylvester Long-- what do you talk-- what legal problem? He needs to make cash a quick, doesn't he? Yeah, he was busted with a bag full of steroids. Sylvester Long was in a foreign country. I was wearing needles the whole deal. Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense. Right. Dude, so he put up this trailer for John Rambo. The film is called "John Rambo." He says he's bringing it back to the first blood roots. And there's a trailer online, which we can't show you guys, because it's embedded in some weird format. It's not a quick time. And this thing is a hard red band trailer, because you see people getting blown away with machine guns and stuff like that. And everybody's talking about how great the action is, how gory it is, and all I can think is, who cares? I'm not interested in seeing John Rambo come back, are you? Well, I don't know who that audience is, to be honest. Well, he's direct-- Senior citizens who have a lot of pent-up rage, maybe. It'd be a non-bench. And we could have took Korea. Yeah, right. Right. Now, the thing is, will I see it? Absolutely. Am I interested in it? Probably not. But will I see it? Yeah, because it's coming out, and it's super action, and I've got to see it. I got to see it, just because I would rather prefer that than some kind of Ben Affleck actioner. You know what I mean? Well, what are you looking forward to more of that, or the new die hard? What am I looking forward to more of that, or the new die hard? They're kind of on an equal plane right now. I will see them opening weekend so I can review them for you. But if not for the show, I probably would have rented them. Does that make sense? Is that you, Michael? Probably me. Gilmore. Turn your game on the phone off. I'm not with your pink phone. I'm not here. Yeah, if not for the show, I probably wouldn't watch movies like this, you know? Like, Norbit. Look, even for the show, I don't see why the hell you want. [LAUGHTER] It was a warning. It was a warning to people out there. The warning was the trailer and the name of the movie. Yeah, I don't know. A couple of people on the forum said they were going to go see that movie if not for us, you know? So John Rambo, yeah, they're making that. Here's a big one, though. Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson, are doing a motion capture tinting movie. A real? Did you ever read those? They're French books, yeah, sure. Well, they're Belgian, I think. Yeah. And they came in these giant editions. They're schizophrenic people, the Belgians, because they speak French and Dutch and Spanish, I guess. Right. Have you ever been over there? Yeah. Where did you go in Belgium? Well, who was your favorite Belgian? My favorite Belgian. Oh, the chocolates, you know, mostly. Yeah, the Belgian one. How's your favorite Belgian export? Whether you know the town's there, like, you go one place and there's one town that's called Bruj and some. But it's BR, GGE. And then other people pronounce it Bruj here, you know? If you've got you, Brugga and a fair French. And they make the chocolate? Yeah. Yeah, and it's actually a very strange kind of thing, because they wear tuxedos and little white gloves and you go in, it's climate-controlled. You know, like, you imagine, like, that Tom Cruise and-- Yeah, like a passionate possible, like, sort of, like, done, done, done, done. Here's your chocolate, sir. Wow. So they really do, like, the whole service industry for chocolate. Yeah, that's a big thing. The people are, though. Yeah, like, like, whoop-a-loop. Yeah, it's not open. That's right. I got stuck and I turned into a blueberry. It was just horrible. How do you explain those little pinwheel houses, which I guess isn't Belgium is it? Yeah. Yeah. That's Dutch. There's a couple of wooden clogs. Yeah. You know, I can't believe the rest of the world hates us, you know? You don't know. Yeah, it's the French and their little wooden shoes. That's the French. We just make stuff up. We just have a blend. It's a cultural blend. A bunch of Norse worshippers wearing it a little. That's like a very wooden shoe. And they're little, stupid houses, you know, with their water of power. That's right, yeah. Meram, I'm turning it off. [LAUGHTER] That's a good point. I'm going to still lend us. We're going to Jerry Lewis. [LAUGHTER] That's it. We're leaving Iraq. We're not part of the alliance. You guys watch the show. You know, like, my favorite Belgian export is Van Dam. I was thinking Van Dam could play 10-10. [LAUGHTER] Wouldn't it be great? You could play 2-2 with all the years. The sailor guy? Yeah. Who's the sailor guy? 10-10 always went to different countries. He had a dog. Yeah, he had a little white dog. I could have cheese play him, my little pug. 10-10 played by Van Dam. This is if I was directing. And the big gay sailor guy. I think you're thinking of Popeye. No, no, because you know that one sailor dude who always traveled with him? He feels like a captain. He had a big, bushy red-- Right, right, yeah. It was red or black. I don't know. He looked like Pluto. Now, I remember that. And you know what? I really wouldn't be that interested. I would think that these movies would be at the level of the animated "Curious George" movie. But for the fact that Spielberg's directing one and Peter Jackson's directing another, now they're going to be motion capture epics. So now I have to see a 10-10 movie. Otherwise, it's like, who cares? I think it'll be the best about the worlds of Lord of the Rings and Schindler's List. And I think it's really exciting, but with French, Belgian people. I want Michael Bay to do the third one. Why are you laughing? You won't be able to see these movies. You can't go on a theater full of kids. Too much temptation. You can't go on a theater full of kids. You want to cherry sour? So it's hot. Now you're projecting. So Universal recently, what's funny is Vijay before the episode he goes, how do you feel getting left out of the Universal gig as a Mexican director? Because Universal just set up something for a five film, $100 million. They're giving $100 million for five films to Guillermo del Toro, Fonza Coron, and Alejandro Gonzales in Aratou, who did Babel. And two more. Are there two more directors? No, there's five films. No, and Coron's brother. Coron's brother, and another guy, who they picked up. And $100 million for five films. I mean, I just keep thinking that children of men cost like $80 million alone. So I'm thinking these won't be so much children of men or Pan's Labyrinth and probably more in line with Ito Mamatambien and Amoris Peros and so like that. But Universal, I think that's a smart move. Because these dudes all kick that at the Oscars this year. You know what I mean? What are the best-- I mean, what are your take on these three guys? And the changing social makeup of Hollywood, because-- I'm a huge fan of Guillermo del Toro. First of all, he believes in his material. And he loves his fans, and he believes. And I don't know if-- well, probably everybody goes down to Comic Con, but he goes down there. He supports it. He's willing to talk to anybody about it. And I think they're doing some of the most creative, interesting stuff. They're like sort of going outside the box and saying, what box? And that's somebody I really want to work with. Yeah. He's awesome. On fans of the other two, not nearly as much though, just because I'm a fan boy. And as fan boys, we have to love what Guillermo del Toro loves, because he's one of us. But I do like the idea of these collaborators. It reminds me of the relationship that Spielberg and Lucas had back in the '70s, where you have these exciting groups of filmmakers who are actually talking to each other. It's not so much business as much as it is a creative collaboration. The way that Tarantino and Rodriguez work with each other. What's his name? What's his name he does? Elay Ross. And the Saw Guy. And the Saw Guy. Yeah, I only saw. I wasn't big on Saw, but yeah, you have these different little communities feeding off each other, helping each other with notes. And that's true. That's very true. And you end up with the best film. They're also making movies on a human scale, which makes them accessible. Again, you don't feel like you need to come up with $150 million to make the movie. And like I said, they're totally open to looking at your stuff and like that, if you happen to be a filmmaker. So that is good. And plus for my Mexican half, I think that's big news. I'm excited about that. Have you been seeing any of this dark night promotion that they're doing for the next Batman film? I haven't seen it now. They started putting out these, I believe, in Harvey Dent things with-- what's the name of the actor playing Harvey Dent? Aaron Eckhart. Thanks, Brian. That's why we keep him around, folks. As creepy as he is, as much of a jerky as we keep him around because he can name the geek stuff. So Aaron Eckhart, they look like these campaign posters, campaign buttons. They're putting these things online that say, I believe in Harvey Dent. And they've got Aaron Eckhart looking nice. And we'll flash it up here on the screen. And there's actually a second website that's, I believe, in Harvey Dent 2.com. And when you go there and you give them your email address, they'll take a pixel off a photo revealing the Joker face. And this one's going to cause some controversy because he's not a painted Joker. He's-- click on that picture. Literally click on it. Click on that picture. And there we have-- now he's doing it right now. I'll flash it up there. There's Heath Ledger as the Joker. Have you seen that before? It looks a little bit like the crow. But he's got facial scarring. And this blood red scar across his mouth-- I'm guessing they're going to do a little bit more to make him the Joker we know and love. But yeah, this is the Joker as we know him now. And talk amongst yourselves on the Geekscape forums because a lot of people are going to look at this like the organic web shooters from Spider-Man 3 because this is the first time we've really kind of deviated from Batman. This is not the Joker we know. This is a new darker, more realistic Joker, which I trust Nolan, but then again, we all trusted Raimi on Spider-Man 3. Ah, Spider-Man 3, get over it. Spider-Man 4, I'll be there opening night. Will you-- would you camp out in the trailer in 4? Absolutely. It's not dead for us. We're nerds. Speaking of comic movies, you know that Frank Miller is directing the spirit? Oh, really? Yeah, Frank Miller is doing Will Eisner as the spirit. Kind of like a dick-tracy-ish type thing because they have this colorful cast of villains. Now, have you read any of the spirit comic books? It's been a long while. I sort of had-- you know, it's kind of funny. I'm in that world now, but most of my experience was mostly in high school. And then you go to college and then you, you know-- You're embarrassed of comic books, isn't it? Because is that what you're saying? You know, you're so busy. You sold us out there, and yeah. Mainly in college, you can't afford it, you know? That's true, yeah. It's hard to keep up your comic condition in college. Like mine has grown since I left college. It's either eating or that. You don't even think about booze. Yeah. It's either eating or comics. That's why I'm not obese. You know? Yeah, yeah. I think there's that, you know, you just think, well, it's a period, but it's not. I mean, I think that comic books are just doing some of the most relevant things, culturally, and people really get that. I mean, I think now is a good time. I'm so glad I came back to it. But, you know, I probably have to, you know, revisit the spirit. Well, Darwin Cook is doing a series right now for DC. And he's writing them and doing the artwork for them. And he's doing original spirit stories, you know? Which will Eisner, who passed away. He used to do all the stuff for the spirit. And I actually really am into these. Because you can go into the books and do the book store and pick up-- or the comic store and pick up any issue of this current spirit run. And it stands alone. And he's got colorful characters. Go ahead and pass them in front of the camera. Jake, we've got-- Sixth sense. And he's got colorful characters. And Samuel Jackson, reportedly, is playing the octopus. Oh. Who's like this eight armed villain? Because they're kind of like the crazy villains. He's got this rogues gallery. And each of them are, like, you know, colorful. Who is the publisher, was it? Marvel or-- Well, well, Eisner, I think it was-- published the original EC. And then we've got DC doing them now. Oh, very cool. We'll see if they bring them into DC continuity, you know what I mean? Because he kind of has his own standalone universe. And they did a crossover last year with Batman. See if they actually bring the spirit into DC continuity so he starts interacting with the whole DC universe. Now, that's our movie news. But you, like you said, you just started getting into comics. Why don't you talk a little bit about "Pray"? Oh, OK. Should we show it? Yeah, let me show you a little bit of your artwork. Who did this piece? Check this out, guys. The cover arts by Lance Lispina, that's actually the book, too. And he had worked on "X-Men" and "End of Days." And he's a friend of mine for a long time. And so when I had a chance to do a cover, it's under water adventure, for the most part. It's basically kind of like a jaws alien set off the coast of Southern California. And-- What's it about? It's-- Just gives us the sound. There's about 200 miles off of Southern California. There's one of the deepest trenches. This is a fact. And on the planet, it goes down like 35,000 feet. I think we have-- Yeah, we'll change the light up there a little bit. alien ruckers. Guys, we bring you into our homes every week. So you feel a kinship with us? This is why. This is the other part of feeling like kinship. You've got to watch us do laundry. So off the coast of California, there's the largest trench. Trench in the world, and there's an oil company that's actually actively exploring it. And they open cavern, and there's something in there that predates dinosaurs, and so on. And so they bring it-- their crew is wiped out. So they bring it back to a lab. They hire this disgraced biologist, marine biologist, who's like just cooling his heels in Mexico. There was a death-- He was like a Greenpeace activist, and there was a death on one of his-- He tried to basically blow up the oil rig. And this is your hero? That's the hero. So he's basically drinking himself to death. There's actually a traffic trailer on YouTube for a prey. And they go, well, there's one guy we know that we can hire. And the only job that he can get is working for the same company he tried to destroy. And he brings back a sample, which gets loose out of this lab, and then runs a muck. He's got to take it down. Yeah, he's got to take it down, big time. So it's kind of alien-ish. And jaws, yeah. And jaws and all that stuff. And it takes place underwater, takes place in the labs. Yeah, it's a little bit in the lab, but mostly in the water on the coast. And then basically, it's that sort of idea. I mean, the creatures are creatures, and they've got to be dealt with. But we didn't make it that easy, like kill the creature and just story, because there's a lot of culpability in what you do out there, impacts here. And it's like, world is complicated sort of thing. Where did the idea come from? Was this something that you'd written as a script? And then you were like, why not just do it as a comic? I grew up in New England. And when I was, I guess, about 12 years old, I went peer fishing, and I haven't a catch about a four-foot shark. And this was post-jaws and everything, but that's the area we're saying. And on one hand, I'm bringing in this fish. And then I looked and it cleared the beach. And next thing you know, as I brought it in, it took about 30 minutes to bring the fish in. And I looked, and everybody was on the pier, just looking at it with their mouths open, and so on. - And you were 12? - Yeah, and I was-- - The fucker could have pulled you in and eaten you. - Yeah, I'm like, we'd be here at this pod, cameras right now, and there's a little taller than that. But I was bound and determined to actually eat this. And so I chopped it up. - Whoa! - Yeah, I ate the shark, I ate the shark. Yeah, but I had to chop it like three-- - In ancient tribes, sometimes when you eat your enemy, you gain it straight. - Yeah, that's right. That's right, which is, hence, I became Shark Boy, which-- - That's amazing. - Has haunted me ever since. - It's weird to breathe next to somebody with gills. Like, so next to somebody with breathing through gills. - Yeah, that's crazy. - That's a little stuffy. - And that's a true story with this, and that gave you the idea of-- - Yeah, later on, I just thought of like, what would be the equivalent of something like that in California, because there's never been that kind of story. - Wow. - Yeah, and then it just made sense, you know? I'm a screenwriter, but that's a very, very expensive movie. But it's very interesting, man. When you do, you know, it's 300 Cent City, and a lot of movies like that have proved, once you do a graphic novel, it creates its own reality, and you can do a movie that is kind of realistic, but not quite. It's very stylized, and audiences will accept it. And, you know, the translation is that it's a much less expensive movie to make. Live-action film, 300, 300 million dollars. You know, shooting digitally and based on a graphic novel, 300 and 50 million dollars. And again, like what we were talking about, it makes film a little bit more attainable to more people. - Did you do it primarily to reach film, or did you do it instead of you know what? Like, it works as a graphic novel. If the film happens, it's great. I'm happy with where it's at. - Exactly, exactly. The main inspiration is, again, to create a creature that it does, you know, it kills people and so on, but it's not like the end of the story that that's your villain and just kill that and, you know, walk into the sunset, you know. And just, I kind of wanted something that was a little more textured and a little more complicated. - Now, now, what are the differences between your piece and the Peter Weller vehicle Leviathan? Did you ever see that with Ernie Hudson from Ghostbusters? - Yeah, well, we are in talks with Ernie and... (laughing) - I can come back, I know I died, but I can come back. - Yeah. - Unofficial sequel, unofficial, Leviathan was a cool movie, but that's an alien that lands in the sea. - Right, yeah, I mean, desperately trying to remember some of the details of it because I did see it. - I mean, we saw this kid, you know? - Right, exactly. - It's Leviathan, but that seems cool. So it's not a dinosaur, it comes before dinosaurs. - Yeah, predates, yeah. And it's like, and also, I took a look at all the things that like kind of scared the hell out of me and like large snakes that are bigger than me, vampiric, you know, that sort of stuff. And then I created a creature that sort of had all of those things. I mean, also, you know, if you spend a lot of time in the ocean, you're like, there's always that fear, like when you're in really deep water that you don't know what's beneath your feet, if you can't see, happen, you know, like that. - So they're just gonna rush up out of you. - Exactly, and that's exactly what it is. - There's a vampire squid. - Yeah. - Have you seen that? The vampire squid, it's a blood red squid, and it's not very big. - Right. - But it brings everything into its mouth and then kind of blends it, or sucks it up. Or is that the colossal squid? I don't know. There's one with like a lot of cool razors. - That was my prom date, I'll show you. (laughing) - It brings it all into the mouth, and then just, that's fun. - That was a good time. - That's fun. So when can we get the first user out? - Yeah, they just came out and-- - There's a trade coming out? And well, it is the trade. - Oh, it's all one book. - Yeah, exactly. - It's all one book. - Yeah, and it's out. - That's right. - So you can go to the bookstore and get this. - That's right, that's right. - Oh, so it's not a series. - Yeah, you can take a look at an on marvel. It's in Barnes & Noble, it's in your comic book storm. It's everywhere. - Oh, let's do that then. That's very cool. - And the art is like really-- - I think the art's cool. - Okay. - Okay, great. - Can't make it a comic book in the month? - We can make it a comic of the month, which we do on the forums. We have a comic of the month. People get on Skype and they talk about a book. It's like Oprah's book club, but it's Gilmore's book club. - Oh, really? - Awesome. - Yeah, I heard some complaints that you talked over everyone last time. - That was actually Calderon. - Yeah, oh, I'm sure it was somebody other than you. - Twenty-seven, twenty-seven at three. - What? - Twenty-seven at three Pacific. - Oh, it's on the 27th at three Pacific Standard Time. - Dark Venture. - Yeah, so it's next Sunday, this coming Sunday, the 27th, three p.m. Pacific Standard Time. Get on Skype, go to the forums, check it all out, I had everybody on Skype, and then you guys can talk about Jeff Loeb and Tim Sales Dark Victory. - So you just click on a link and you're on? - Oh yeah, you go to the forums, click on a link and you're on is what Gilmore's saying. Thanks, man. So you also write books and do some movies. You produced this one? - Yeah, "Hard Scrambled" with Kerwood Smith, Robocop, - That's what I know. - Richard Edson, who was what's the name of the first people of his day off and platoon and a lot of movies like that. - What's this about? - I would call it die hard in a diner. - What? (laughing) - Yeah. - Is that your pitch for it? - That's where, facetiously, when we were looking for corporate sponsorship from Coca-Cola, which actually we got, and so on, that would go, "Yes, it's die hard in the diner." And they'd go, "Whoa." - Partly placement all over the place. - Yeah, we did very well with it. - And this pies, let's do it. - Yeah, and it was a stage play that won a bunch of awards in Chicago, and we adapted it. And it's a bunch of kind of misfit type people. Like, the cook is, he's a career criminal, like ex-Mobster, enforcer guy. And the guy that's the bus boy dishwasher had robbed the place, and then, you know, his gun didn't fire, so they gave him a job there, you know, on the sort of thing. And they have this, like, little oasis worked out. But the diners aren't hard times, and the owner has a, quote, unquote, "accident" on the, like, 25th anniversary of the diner. And so, what's gonna happen to the diners up in the air, and they all start scheming to, like, one guy borrows money from the mob, the other guy steals the guy's money from the mob, and, you know, and wackiness ensues. But it's very serious, yeah. - That's cool, it's like Scotland P.A. - Like Scotland P.A.? - Yeah, it's a little big benefit, yeah, yeah. And so they, in their, like, sort of greed, they destroyed this place that was, you know, the only place that they really had on earth that they could sort of be themselves. - That's cool. - I wanted to, that was the, I wanted to see Cheers, and, like, that. - Oh, yeah, with a gun plaid in it, just a web, yeah. - You know, I have to have Klavon just eat it in the face. You know, I think that would have been fun. - Or everybody knows who, yeah. And so we get a lot of kids who listen to the show, and they want to get into film, become writers. And this is a book that would give them, these are, I mean, how much of this is your experience from Hollywood? - It's totally, yeah. I didn't-- - Breakfast with Sharks. - Yeah, I went to film school, and one of the things that was missing is just, like, sort of, like, just practical, you know, kind of things. And I didn't want to, like, talk about theory. You go to the bookstore, and there's lots and lots of theory. So I did, this is everything that you didn't learn in film school, and it's all, like, sort of, take it and use it right now, you know? And so you really feel what it's like to be, you know, out here in Los Angeles, trying to make movies, and so on. And it's all firsthand experience, everything that I know. And really, again, not much in the way of theory. And so it's done very, very well, and people love in there. It's actually gone on to do, you know, really cool things, which is really kind of the proof, is you'll get a letter or email from somebody saying, you know, I took the book and then was able to get a deal with Adam Sandler. - That's cool, like that. - That's cool, yeah. - Yeah, well, now, has anybody used the book for evil? - You know, that's the thing. I think that there's a festering process with evil, and, you know, somebody-- - It went on to write, like, something got awful. - Right. - And you were like, oh, shit. - No, but I believe that there's somebody like-- - You gave me $10 now. I gave you $10. - The Fijian Islands that will, you know, arise, like the island will rise up, and they'll be, like, waving my book, you know, like, like, this is the ticket and use it right now, blueprint for evil. - And then this one is available in August before Christmas, right? Are we doing okay on time, VJ? - Yeah. - Okay, this is the Christmas in hell? - Yeah, it's actually-- - What is that about? - Christmas is a holy day. - Yeah, not if you're Satan, you can't. Oddly enough, oddly enough, he doesn't celebrate. Although there is a letter from Satan in his family and, you know, what's going on with the Lucifer's. Now, when I was in grad school, I had a job where my boss, one time, came and asked me to write their family holiday letter, and she gave me, like, some little talking points, and I crafted something based on that, and she came back and she goes, you know, you know, the thing about holiday letters is that you should, like, kind of-- - Have you been bullish? - And, you know, sort of make us look better than we are, you know, sort of thing. So, I did that, but then, you know, just by my nature, I, like, did a totally bogus letter where she had, like, an eight-year-old and that she had, the eight-year-old daughter was going to the Olympics for tap dancing, and they were a family that was scaling Mount Everest with, like, a three-year-old strapped on their back, you know, in Sherpas, and then all this sort of stuff. She accidentally sent that letter to, like, 150 people as I learned, you know, as I came back after the holidays, and I don't know, I think it was divine intervention that I kept my job, you know? - Like, how pissed did she get it? - Yeah, well, she basically said that I was, like, retarded or something like that, that she had had a retarded person, you know, proofread the letter or whatever. - Wow. - Yeah, and so I kept my job, but in the back of my mind, I was like, you know, why don't you just send, like, bogus letters? Because you get letters and they're supposed to be funny and they're not, and then ones that are not supposed to be funny are unintentionally very funny, yeah. And so, like, we, you know, the family dog who's just been neutered and has some issues, writes the holiday letter for the family and, you know, Mr. Pooters and, like that. And Ben Laden, he was an exchange student in Minnesota and still keeps in touch, but like his cultural references are like, you know, designing women in Delta Burke and so on, so he still has a crush on her and, you know, he's, like, really upset about, like, he sent a, you know, pipe made from the, you know, the bone of a jackal to them, and it arrived broken and he's really, really upset, you know, and that sort of thing. - That's funny, and that's nice, what are you on the back? - And, yeah, this is something it would fit in the stocking, folks, it really would. That's really funny. Is your actual Christmas letter in here? - No, no, they, (laughing) - I mean, I think most people have seen my Christmas photo, which was me and my two dogs dressed as, like, a Christmas tree almost. Like, they have, it was pretty sad. But yeah, I dress the dogs up every Christmas and take a Christmas photo. - Nice to have hobbies. - No, yeah, yeah, nice to have a life. And, cool, Julie Landres. - Yeah. - What is that? (laughing) - Yeah, that's one of the Landres. - Seriously, here's that. How long does it take to write something like this? Or do you just take it and do it over a couple years? - That was a, well, what's coming out is actually a sequel to that, and that one probably took about three weeks to write. What's that gonna go? - You're just cranking, yeah. - How long did it take you to write the graphic novel? - The graphic novel was a year process, but that was because the art didn't evolve then. - But writing it. - A few months, probably a few months. - Well, yeah. - You're a machine. - Yeah. - The book? - That was longer. Yeah, I wrote it when we started this interview, and then I whisked it off to China for publishing. - Find it! - Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that was probably about a year and a half. - Wow. - People like doing things simultaneously, so like one, it's kind of like spinning plates, one thing like slowing down, so you start something else and like that. So right now where we're doing a horror Western, and I'm really excited by that. It's a cross genre thing, and I think we're gonna be shooting it around October. - That'd be cool. Are you guys shooting it around here, maybe? - We don't know yet, that winds up being the thing. We were talking at the start of the runaway production, so I'd like to stay right here, because the main benefit is that you have the actors, they just come down the hill, and they never stay too far away from their drug connections, or whatever they need, let's say laundry, their laundry connections. Whereas if you ask them to go to the heart of Mexico, that's a whole different scenario. - We could do it on the set. - Blackwater. - Yeah, that's cool. - Can I go to Mexico? - Yeah, just say it. - I like how, that's the other annoying thing with having an actor hanging around on the show, 'cause he keeps trying to plug our guests for jobs. (laughing) - That's how it speaks. - I'm kidding, buddy. Just send him a headshot. You know, you'd be a good monster. (laughing) - Make him have a sound. I just want to play a dead body in the background. That's about the extent of my acting. You said you wanted to come on the other show, you had to be able to get at least as much abuse as this guy right here. I don't want to play him. I played Hamlet. I don't play monster ooze. (laughing) I don't know, monster. How dare you? I studied my Caspian skills. Don't talk down to me, London. I am a master of my... (laughing) - Video games. You say you don't play a lot of video games. - Yeah, I say. - That would be a kick ass video game, pray. - Yeah, we were talking to some people about it. - That'd be cool. - Going like Contra and Star Craft. - Underwater Contra style. But the last weekend, last show, we did a Starcraft. Some people started talking about Starcraft. I told you, I don't play Starcraft because the dudes in my college, when I would walk, you know, you'd college your first year in the dorms, you'd walk up and down the halls. I swear these dudes were playing Starcraft and their doors open and I'd be like, "Hey man, what are you playing, Starcraft?" Oh geez, the dude smells like shit. And everybody who played Starcraft smelled like shit. So I'm like, fuck this game. It makes you smell like shit. So that is why I'm not that hyped that Blizzard has confirmed a Starcraft too. - Not only confirmed, they've released-- - Not only confirmed, there's like a trailer. Okay, okay, there's footage and so that. I think that's exciting. I wonder what, if you can get the chip in your computer that makes you smell like shit, taking out before you play Starcraft too. Because it emanates fumes into your pores and then you smell like Grap. - That could've been. - You played Starcraft, right? - Yes. - But how long did it take you to scrub that crap off of you? Now you're mad. Are you mad 'cause I called you a monster? - I'm a monster. - You could play a monster? - Yeah, you know, I've played Starcraft. I've played the Warcraft when I was a kid, when I was in high school. - They're totally different though, right? - Well, it's basically the same story. You have three different, you know, classes of characters and you build and you build your own fight. - But I thought, a Warcraft. - Yeah, Warcraft. - What about World of Warcraft? - Well, World of Warcraft's different from the originals. 'Cause World of Warcraft. - Well, you're making me retarded. I hate playing on a computer. Next week, we'll be talking about the Halo 3 beta, which I can play on a console. I'm not a PC gamer, man. Ever since they stopped making my gallons, I was like, I don't need it anymore. I threw my PC out the window. - Yeah, well, you also have a Mac, so you can't play any games on Mac. Well, actually, you could play World of Warcraft. - That could. - That could. And so what, it's a turn-based strategy stuff? - No, yes, it's real-time strategy. - Oh, real-time. And so you just gotta be quick with it. - Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, my favorite thing about the whole, I was talking to my roommate about this last night, is that I love the cheat codes in World of Warcraft. - So, VJ, my new plan works. - It's Starcraft, and I hope that they keep it up, but, you know, I turned on this, I downloaded the trailer today, and it just looks fantastic. You don't realize that, like, 'cause Warcraft had one, two, three different versions, and I didn't realize that Starcraft only had one, because Starcraft was way better than Warcraft, and you can find me on the forums for that too. But, now that it's, they're releasing two, it's like, to see how much the graphics have changed since 1996, when I last played it, and didn't smell like shit. - Oh, no. - I don't know, those dudes, they were shady. - They probably habituate so they can't smoke, so. - They have verbiage, um. - It's probably preexisting condition. - Yeah, they might as well like craft before they put a game in, I'll say that much. - There you go, there you go. - You know, but-- - They didn't bathe. - I was like, what the fuck are you cooking? You know what I mean? Like, fuck in there. He's like, I'm playing Starcraft. The motherfucker looks like Mojo. (laughing) - I'll throw a picture of Mojo, for those of you who don't read X-Men. Have you seen these shots of Timothy Olafun? Am I pronouncing that right? I don't-- - Timothy Olafun. - Timothy Olafun. - Thank you. - Thank you, Fespian. - Ross. - He's the dude in the hitman. He got the role of the video game hitman. Have you seen play this game hitman? Where you have to go and like, take people out. Graham is so into this. Where you have like, piano wire people, there's different ways to assassinate people in this game, and now they're making a movie out of it. And I guess there's pictures of him on the set. As the dude. - Wasn't it supposed to be Vin Diesel? - Wasn't it supposed to be Vin Diesel? I don't know. Vin Diesel right now is, I don't know. What's Vin Diesel doing? - Does he own a video game company? - Does he own a video game company? I don't know what he does. - He's doing Hannibal, a comic book, a cartoon for BET. - Doing a Hannibal cartoon for BET? - Hannibal, the, Hannibal, Hannibal, the conqueror. - Okay. - Yeah. - See the guy? - Yeah. - Hannibal. - Dream Girl's the Annihilation. He's also doing it. (laughing) - You know, we don't talk a lot of PS3 because I don't have one. 'Cause they're expensive and I don't think they're arguably worth it. But, SOCOM, confrontations is announced. A lot of people love playing SOCOM, 'cause it's the most realistic, is it the most realistic, like military online thing? - I've never been in the military, John. - Well, Kevin McCaffrey played a little SOCOM, and he says it's down, you know? Other than having people's heads burned off, it was just, you know, what he's experienced. Kevin McCaffrey's killed a couple of people. He'll be a guest soon. He was my best friend in the undergrad who was a guest on the old show, and we can have it back. - He wouldn't go around. - He wouldn't go around. - Yeah, actually in all honesty. - He wouldn't go. - Yeah, actually in all honesty, he, I think his sniper unit only killed like one person, and they got a lot of flack for it. He was, you know, in that one person was definitely planting a bomb, a roadside bomb. He, I mean, they didn't shoot just to shoot, which a lot of, I guess, people do. - Yeah. Well, here's the thing, I support the war, but not the troops. (laughing) Oh my God! (laughing) I just wanted to say, that's my grand job platform. Oh my God! (laughing) Oh man! (laughing) Can we do this shit with machines? (laughing) You are, your wide terminator happens. You're wide like, like, wow. - You're wide happens. - Yeah. (laughing) - You're like, you know what? We don't need troops. And machines. - You're the reason, you're the reason for it. - Let's start small with a short circuit, and then work our way. (laughing) (laughing) - D-b-b-b-b-b. - You know what's funny? That's funny. - Johnny Five wrote this book. He has, like, a sweatshop of robots. They're all gonna get mad. You're gonna show up 'cause you're a real, you're play, I could just see your house, and the cops are gonna be like, man, neighbors say this place smells like shit. It must have been played in Starcraft. And they're gonna break in, and the robots are gonna have killed you. - Mm-hmm. (laughing) - Your sweatshop robots were writing for you. - That's right. (laughing) - We revolved. (laughing) - My schedule podcast. - That's just what the fuck was playing. It's some Starcraft. It smells like shit. The paint's peeling off. So yeah, there's a new SoCalm game coming, and there's, I don't think any first person solo player, I think it's all online because they love those rednecks in the online conversations. I'm guessing half of the people online are just rednecks. Supposedly, I was about to buy a new PSP 'cause I graduated. Last week, and I'm like, I'm gonna give myself a little gift. I'm gonna get myself a full graduation. - Congratulations, man. - Thanks, man. It's 106, well, now I'm gonna go teach in jail, now that I have my master's. - That's right. (laughing) - That's the dream. - Yeah, I'm gonna be like fucking stand and deliver. (laughing) I'm like, it receives all of us next. - Hey, wait, that's my soap over there. (laughing) - And... (laughing) It's a little me familiar shit. And so the PSP dropped to like $169. Now there's talk that they're going to do a new PSP with video downloads and a whole new hardware refresh. And so maybe I will hold off on that. Our good buddy on GeekScape.net. People on GeekScape, they can submit news in our buddy, Peter Parker, who submits about 90 a day that he's just taken off of. - Wow. - I-G-N. He's submitted. - That's hard core. - I do love people who submit news. But he submitted that the new PSP is coming out. So which I'm excited about. You know? - What kind of video games do you play, if at all? - Not too much, to be honest, not too much. - It's also amazing. - I have an addictive personality. So if I were to do that, then I would, yeah. And yeah, I'm taking methadone for that. (laughing) If I did, I would be like a 12 hour, 14 hour. So I pretty much channel it to writing, you know, and making movies. - And don't buy a Starcraft too. - You can't speak out. - Well, one thing that you're addicted to is our forums. And the forums this week is Best Bargain Bin Finds. Last week, I talked about what kind of stuff have you guys found at Bargain Bin that like kick ass. My Best Bargain Bin Find would be Abigold for $1. Which is great. It's a great album, fuck you. Abigold is a must. Right, Ben? - Hey. - Or is that two game for you? (laughing) - Hell yeah. - So one of our new posters, No Hard Feline's, which I don't even fucking know what that name came from. He said in the $5 Walmart bin, he found Dark Crystal, great. Natural Born Killers, sure. Both Hot Shots movies, which are, okay. Barton Fink, the cable guy, he's starting to get a little shady, and the page master. (laughing) - You're right down there. - What would I love you? The Kelly Culkin? - He's like, oh, I don't think so. - It's like half animated? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Wow. - I can just imagine this dude being like, "Page master from $5." It's like, dude, if anybody's selling the page master for more than $5 in their assholes. (laughing) Johnny Cage X, which is like, okay. I can understand, name yourself Johnny Cage. I can understand, name yourself Johnny X. And he's like, I'll do it both. Johnny Cage X found a couple in a bargain bin, Final Fantasy 7, Marvel, Marvel vs Capcom 2. - Oh, that is the best buy. - Best kick ass. - That is the best buy. - Are you done? (laughing) Silent Hill and Metal Gear Solid 3, which is pretty damn good. Have you ever been in one of those old record shops? Amoeba has a great bargain bin. - Right. - Amoeba. - Sure. - The record store is great for V-E-N-C-A-Ls. - They're great for video bargain bins. What's some of the best finds that you've had? - Oh, I was in Hawaii, and I got-- - School girl. - Yeah. (laughing) And then for some reason, like Hawaiians don't get into like sci-fi. So I got all these like, you know, classic AI. I think it was one of the Blade Runners for like a dollar a piece. - We load Stitch took place in the alien event. - Yeah, that's the idea of science fiction. (laughing) - You just went crazy on DVDs. - Yeah, I brought out, you know, most people bring back, you know, get laid and bring back magazines. I like, I geeked out on a bunch of videos and DVDs. - Yeah. - That's cool. - I think I have the best one. - What's your best one? - I want to say this. - Well, one of our users needed a new password, so I gave it to them. Then I used this account to go to hotmail.com, the other one. - What, what, what? - Yeah, no. (laughing) - No, the best, the best. - Was that a pun? - He's done. - He's done. - Okay, I'm done. - Yeah, he's done. - You're done. - Oh. - Oh, fuck. - God damn it. - See, it's not gonna be funny. It was the best, the best fun I ever got for 25 cents in, I think it was like Barnes and Noble or something like that. Found the unofficial biography of Vanilla Ice. - How? Is there an official one? - Did you actually read it? - Hell yeah? - See, that's something that I would think you just put up on a show. Yeah, that was where you learned it. Hell yeah, Holmes. - It had the dictionary too. I'll bring it, I'll bring it for you. - You should bring that. - And tell us more stories about your job empowering the purves of America. - Yes. - Of which we include all of ourselves. So let's wrap it up. Mike, final plugs for your books. I mean, you can find your stuff all over Amazon. - That's right. - Pre-origin of the species. - Right. Breakfast with Sharks, if you're a writer. Christmas letters from Hell coming out in August. Yeah, they were actually a few with Happy Kwanza. And just out, Heart Scrambles. - That's cool, that's cool. And you can find all that stuff on Amazon or if you have a website. - Yeah, let's see, what do I have? I have breakfastwithsharks.com and heartscramble.com and Marvel Prey, you can just look it up. And yeah, MacSpace, and that's breakfast with Sharks too. - MacSpace with that com slash breakfast with Sharks. - Yeah, yeah, I keep a blog there. I haven't been written in about four weeks. - The robots are doing well, right? One of them is writing this blog. - They won't let me out of the closet, please. - So, send it a pop tour. - My daughter was just eaten last week, but I will fight them. So, wanna let you guys know that Sunday, June 10th, we're doing something called a walk for the underdog where we're getting a bunch of cake scape us together to walk two miles, you think you can handle it? (laughing) - Only if there's a baton involved. - And you guys can sponsor or register to walk or donate at walkfortheunderdog.com. You guys can walk and it supports the no-kill shelters of Los Angeles County, and we'll be there with Hank and Cheese and the Geeks Capus. That's June 10th, Sunday. Right there by the La Brea Tar Pits that you saw in Volcano with Tommy Lee Jones. What? - Last action hero. - And last action hero, correct. - My girl. - Hell, get me out of here. - This man is not dead. Remember that? Last action hero? (laughing) So we're doing that. I wanted to thank all you guys for listening, wanted to thank netriver.net for putting us up. We're gonna clean up this website. We're gonna get a rollin'. Thank you, BJ, for shootin' the episode. Thanks, no. Thank you though, Ben, for continuing to be a friend of mine, even though I do this to you. And thank you, Mike. - Thanks for coming over, man. - It's a lot of fun. - It's very cool. - We will see you guys next week on Geekscape, and I love you. All right, keep safe on that.