- Hey Leo. - Hi Steven, what's up? - My phone broke a couple of days ago, and I mentioned this to you, but what I haven't mentioned to you about this is not having a phone for the last two days has been the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. - I've actually heard this from people who go, quote-unquote, off the grid, and they come back going, wow, that was wonderful. - I have loved every second of it. I have gotten to be like when I was 14 years old and I would leave the house and like no one would know where I was. (laughing) - The glory days. - I thought about that. I went to some vaccine last night thought, no one knows where I am. This is brilliant. - All those people who hassle you over dumb bullshit all the day, and they're just gone. - Yeah. - Oh, this is, I got ice cream, I walked around. I was like, the world has no idea where Steven is, right? Now, this is great. I've definitely been putting off getting my phone fixed. - I get that, yeah. - I'm like, I got a lot to do today. I got it, I can do it tomorrow. But I think when I do, I wanna shut it off more because it's been pretty rad. - What a world that we are living in where everyone has become so attached to their mobile device that when they finally turn it off and have a day free of it, it's like a miraculous new dystopian future has arrived for them. And it's basically what I lived in in my childhood. - Do you remember that episode of The Simpsons where Marge gets itchy and scratchy off TV? It shows like all the kids like magically playing outside. - Right, right. - And they're all like holding hands and it's like this big utopia. - Exactly. - And then when it starts playing and getting none of the kids go outside anymore, that's exactly how I feel right now. Like I feel like I'm just wearing like a flower crown and I'm just skipping through the streets of Boston. - I just realized with what you said you might have said dystopian instead of utopia. So whatever, everyone's going to see it their own way. - For some people living out without their phone is dystopian. All right, everybody, welcome to Spoils of Horror. My name is Steven. - I am Leo. - And this is episode number 135, I think. Our numbers got all messed up. Doesn't matter. Who gives a shit? That's not why you're here. Friday the 13th, part three. - We have an excellent day for an exercise. (dramatic music) - Look at me, Damien. It's all for you. - I'm our number one fan. - I hope they are watching. - They're there, see, they're there, see, and they don't know. - Pretty nice. That was what scares you. - I'm scared to close my eyes. That was scared out. - Whatever you do, don't fall asleep. (laughing) - There is no need to ask why we chose this movie because this movie is fucking awesome. So I don't know how to fill this space in, but take it away. - I can take it away because if you've listened to the show before, or if you've been a listener for a while, you know that I'm the artsy fartsy one in the duo here of horror fans. Doesn't mean I don't like my low grade horror, but I tend to be the artsy fartsy one. But I fucking love Friday the 13th movies. And I've watched these movies get shit on over and over and over again. Now I'm happy to say that there are other artsy fartsy Friday the 13th fans out there. They exist, they're out there. I'm not alone in this. But my defense of Friday the 13th movies is not just that I like them despite how bad they are. I love the first one. I defend how well made I think the first one is to my fucking grave. They will have to peel a VHS copy of Friday the 13th out of my cold dead hands. - Gonna bury it with a box set. - I don't really need part five. It's entertaining in its own, right? I'll keep six though. - Six is amazing. - I'll keep the shit out of six. I can't wait to get to part six. I can sing that Alice Cooper song all day. But anyway, here's the thing. For me, once we get through the first four, then it's gonna get a little diceier as to whether they're just so bad, they're good, or whether they're actually good. But for right now, we're just like living in the heyday. I love these movies. I really think they're great. I can make fun of them. Don't get me wrong. But it's an opportunity to be able to defend movies that I love, but also talk about my early years as a horror fan because I have so many good memories around Friday the 13th movies. And so many good memories, both as a kid, but also as an adult. You and I went and saw these movies with friends like out at camps in the woods. I've seen these movies at midnight showings. It's always so fun to watch people cheer and clap when Jason kills people and when the final girl wins. If the final girl doesn't suck, well, I saw a part five with a crowd and that final girl sucks. - Yes. - And everybody kept cheering for the 12-year-old kid. Every time he did something, everybody cheered. - Yeah. - And then she got nothing. - Rightfully so. - Yeah, it's not a part five kind of sucks. Anyway, part three, I have a lot of love for this movie. I have a lot of nostalgia for it, so I wanted to cover it. - Oh, let's cover it. - After a recap of Friday the 13th part two and a rad opening credit sequence, we open on a crystal lake convenience store where a couple are watching the nightly news. A bunch of teenagers were butchered at a nearby campground. After a few jump scares, some 3D shenanigans, and an extended scene on a shitter, the husband gets a meat cleaver to the stomach and his wife is murdered with a knitting needle through the head. The next day, a new group of disposable teenagers smoke weed and make their way to Higgins Haven, a cabin on the edge of Camp Crystal Lake. Most of the group is interchangeable, but the characters you need to know are Shelly, the resident prankster, the girl he's in love with Vera, Chrissy, our final girl who survived a mysterious, traumatic event in the past, and her old boyfriend Rick. Everyone gets busy flirting, picking bedrooms, and talking about skinny dipping. While this happening, someone watches from the nearby woods. - I feel like I should open this up by saying, last time on Crystal Lake Memories. (laughing) The first couple of films in this series had this really nice way of recapping the end of the previous film in leading into this one. This one is proposed to take place the next day after the second movie. Technically, that makes it Saturday the 14th, but it is also-- - Which would have been a shitty title. (laughing) - It is the first Friday the 13th movie, as I recall, that was actually released on Friday the 13th, which I thought was very cool. - Yeah, so doesn't that mean that part four takes place on like Sunday the 15th now? - Something like that, yeah. - These movies are all very close together. Camp Crystal Lake went through a horror show in one weekend. - That's right, that's right. I do want to take a moment to add on to what I said and nod to the late great Annie Wilkes, as I talk about how this movie tries to pick up where part two left off by replaying the final fight in Jason's shack, and they missed a crucial detail about his crawling away from the shrine of his mother when he actually was seen busting through the cabin with the two survivors at the end of the thing. I bring that up because I remember when we talked about part two, we had a little debate at the end as to whether or not that was a dream sequence or if it really happened. And this would infer that it was just a dream. - This doesn't further that it's a dream, and plus also that's a pretty consistent thing throughout these early movies, is that the character has some sort of dream at the end, like the surviving character, some sort of dream about what happened to them. All I can think about is the thing that everybody notices when they go from part two to part three, Jason Voorhees has been eating his Wheaties. (laughing) He is about three inches taller, and he's got about 50 pounds of muscle on him now. - That's right, I don't know if he's just lifting logs in the woods or what he's doing, but he's doing something right. He is never gonna let some final girl kick his ass again. (laughing) Cue the rocky form music because he has been lifting logs and he has gone to some shack out in the Russian wilderness out in the snow, and he has been doing sit-ups from the top of a barn. - He's wrestling bears and shit. He's doing all right for himself. I think it was that little dog that he adopted. He just, he had to prove himself to the little dog and not be a disappointment anymore. - Can you, I just want that picture. I want him to have like a picture of Ginny like Rocky has in Rocky 4, like on the wall, and it's playing hearts on fire. (laughing) He's like boxing, and then somebody like Burgess Meredith is behind him. He just turns around and cuts his head off. - You're a bum, Jason, you're a bum. (laughing) - I actually really like these recaps. I got a big fucking smile on my face when the recaps started. - There is a little bit of an element of like, these movies are super cheap and it kills about 10 minutes of time. - Absolutely. (laughing) - To be fair, however, comparing like to like as we do so often on the show, we've had movies in the past that have used filler to pad out the red time. Let's show three recaps of what happened in the previous movie and make half of our runtime exactly that. This is a movie that does it correctly. - Yeah, this is no "Doll Man" versus demonic toys. Where it's 90% footage from "Doll Man" and from "Doll Man" toys. As much as I like "Doll Man" toys versus "Doll Man." I actually do find that film fun. We talked about, listen to our episode if you want to talk about that. But man, oh man, once they get past this recap, I just think these opening credits are just a fucking home run. This is about the time where people started realizing that Friday the 13th movies could be scary and fun and holy shit, they just like ratchet up that music. I'm a huge defender of the score of Friday the 13th movies. I think it's fantastic. But this super fun lighthearted spooky ass music that they play that's got a little bit of a techno beat to it over credits that are 3D that are shooting out at the screen and also like this fog that's going across the screen. I just thought that was a fucking blast. There were three times in cinematic history where 3D became prominent. One was the 50s, one was this time during the 80s and then they did a revival in the 2000s that I don't think worked very well and it didn't work well in my opinion because they didn't do the 3D correctly. This movie was a movie that was designed in 3D. They planned deliberate shots to be done in 3D, poking things at the camera, which without 3D rendering looks fucking ridiculous. I will grant you that. - It's hilarious, I love it. I almost like this movie better in 2D. - The modern 3D rendering is all post production on a computer, they just film the whole thing and then 3D it at the end. And you don't get these moments of kids playing baseball in the street and the bat is being held at the camera or somebody pointing at another person or passing a joint and it's right in your face. And it's this 3D joint right in your face. This is fucking glorious. - Oh, I think that this is so fucking charming in 2D. - I agree. - The amount of times that Jason has to pick up a pitchfork and just slowly edge it towards the camera. Like he's offering it to me, like there's gonna be marshmallows on the end and I can reach out and take one. - I think it would be a treat to, if it all was possible to find a print of this in 3D and see it at a theater or something just one more time with the fresh perspective on it, but good Lord, I love it for how it is right now. - One of the things that you can really appreciate in this opening section, like after the credits, is that I will defend something to my grave. I think Steve Miner is a really good director and he directs the shit out of this movie in my personal opinion. Yep, it's a slasher, this is not complicated, but he does great camera work in this film. And I was thinking about, we talked about this in part two of Friday 13th. Compare the camera work in part two and part three and Steve Miner directed both of them. Compare that to like the static wide shots in fatal games. Just the boring, you can't see shit shots in that slasher or even like one that was slightly better like a Robicide or something like that. Like just picture like these static boring shots and this camera, they really use the shit out of their crane because the camera in this just moves so beautifully. And I love that there's a great shot in the beginning here. There's a bunch of great shots in this movie, but there's one where a woman in curlers who like works at the convenience store and they kind of live, her and her husband kind of like live behind it. She comes out to grab some laundry and the camera just like really elegantly follows her until it gets to the shoulder of Jason who's watching her and then the camera just pushes in on her. No, granted like, yeah, if this was a Steven Spielberg movie, I might take a move like that for granted, but it's so like lyrical and really well done. I really think the camera work in this movie is great. - And again, we've had movies that we talked about on the show that have done it worse. Same system, same gimmick, same style of film and they couldn't quite get the camera right. So it's good to see it being done well. And it is a really great movie to watch so that you can actually learn how filmmaking is done because with all those lyrical shots, there's about five different times where you can actually see the camera and the boom in the actual frame. - Yeah, I actually had a note here. We grew up with this film when it was just bad VHS transfers and sometimes even at the video rental story, it would be like a copy of a copy. So it just degrades the quality and it's all dark. It's very, very dark and the shadows are very thick and it's all blackness in the background. You can't see shit. Now, we've got these 4K high res digital Blu-ray transfers and they're great. They're great 'cause I love seeing the movie in a new way but good God does it reveal some of the shitty effects and background stuff that we're never supposed to see. - There are, there are at least two times you can clearly see the camera in the reflection of either glass or mirror. - That's right, exactly. - There's a really funny shot where Chrissy gets out of the van right after this opening kills right here. It shows our main character, Chrissy. She gets out of the van. Her friends would go into, you know, they're going to a cabin and the boom shadow is like right above that, did you see that? - I did, yes. - The shadow of the boom is right above the door. There's a couple of different points where I saw the camera in the reflection of the glass and it just, I just laughed every time. - There's a scene coming up where a snake attacks Harold is the guy that works at this convenience store. - Yes. - And he reaches for something on the counter and there's a snake there and it jumps towards the camera in 3D and you can very clearly see the fishing lion on the fucking snake. - Oh, 100% worth it. - Jesus Christ, like, is that snake throwing something out? Is that snake asking for help? They're doing that thing that they're doing where, you know, Jason is present, so everybody's walking around and you know, they're, you know, it's supposed to be scary. And then he, Harold, notices that a rabbit cage that he has that all the rabbits are dead. So he opens it up, snake jumps out, but the snake is so clearly on like a clothes line. - Yeah. - Which is not the only time that they use this trick of putting something on a line. But they have this snake pop out and it looks less like the snake is popping out and more like the snake is asking for you to call 9.1. - Help me, help me. - Because it needs to have the heimlich done, it's got something stuck in its throat. - It's lunging like, ah! - Right, it's afraid of the dead rabbits that are in there. I didn't do it, I swear. - Great segue to talk about Harold for a moment 'cause this guy is a fucking character. They're both, it's Harold and his wife are forgetting her name. They're running this little corner store somewhere in the fucking woods around Crystal Lake and Harold is why we now have safety caps and such things on food products at the grocery store. Because Harold is literally drinking from a gallon of orange juice and then capping it and putting it back on the shelf, eating from the donuts that are there and putting half-eaten donuts back. And boy, was it a fucking time that I had forgotten when food was not protected and anybody could have just done anything to it before you buy it? - So this is a little scene that is building up to his death where he's walking around his own convenience store and they add in a little bit of humor. One of the things I like about Friday the 13th part three is this is when they strike a really good balance between it being a little funny, but not so funny that it's kind of like jump the shark. - Yeah. - It's still scary, you know, it's still got thrills in it. And so they find these little bits of humor by giving these characters just a little bit of a heightened personality. And I actually enjoy it. It's again, better than when we get to part five where the characters are just really over the top. You know, here it's just a little bit of, you know, they've gone from a six to a seven. You know, they're an arguing couple. She's, you know, kind of blaming everything on him and constantly yelling at him and he's constantly trying to hide from his wife and he's constantly trying to hide that he's eating and different things like that. - Just to jump in real quick, if I had to listen to her nag and berate me as much as she did throughout this fucking movie, I'd probably copy Kat Jason like Roy did. - Oh, like you're fucking done. - When Jason puts the cleaver in Harold's chest, after Harold had just listened to his wife bitch at him for the first five minutes of the movie, I wanted Harold to just look in Jason's eyes and say, thank you. - Yeah, that's right. (both laughing) You've done me a favor, sir. - But the kills here are fun. This is a fun opening. Again, these characters are, there's a little bit of life to them. It's a little spooky. I really like the camera work here. I really like the flapping laundry that they use to kind of have Jason sort of like weave in and out of us. He's walking back and forth, wearing totally different clothes anymore in the last film. I don't know what that's about, but okay. - Just pull him off a laundry line or something, I don't know. - Yeah, yeah, bombs on the boats. You don't need to explain it, whatever. - This also a good nod to the point you had made a moment ago about with the camera work being really great and with them willing to do these really nice background things. The clean transfer of the film now lets us see a lot of those background things much, much better. There's a scene where Harold is feeding his fish and then he eats some of the fish food and he goes, oh, this has got fucking fly eggs or whatever and it is gross. And you can see the shadow of Jason outside the window behind him go from left to right. I swear to you, in all the years I've watched this movie, I had never seen that before. I'm glad you brought this up and I'll go, I'll jump to the end of the movie. There's a part where Chrissy runs out of Higgins Haven and she runs to the van to get inside and try to drive away. And that was when it really captured me. I thought this transfer that I have is gorgeous. - It really is. - It's a gorgeous transfer. - And while I pick on it a little bit for being so, you know, the old transfers that we grew up with and how you can see the strings and all that shit, in the other direction of that is this really wonderful opportunity to see the film in a brand new way. And notice the little details in the background that I never got to see before. - And there are parts that look like it was shot two weeks ago. Like it really looks sharp. - Held out really well. - Speaking of Chrissy, we get to meet her and her friends. Now I put a little joke in the script saying that they are all interchangeable 'cause we all know this scene. We've all seen this scene before, which is, you know, the van pulls up and they're like, "We're gonna go to camp!" And, you know, and everybody kind of lives nearby and so they're all getting in the van. But I'm being a little unfair here because this is a bit of a step up from part two in the sense that other than Ginny, I end up girl with the under, under-ass, like the under move, you know, like I can't really remember. And I've seen these movies a thousand times and I can't really remember too many of the characters from part two. In part one, I think they're very distinct. I think they're very distinct. But in part two, that's not what I like about that movie. Part three, they start having some improvements here as well. Chrissy's very likable. She's gonna have a boyfriend that is, you know, a very distinct character, whether you like him or not. Just, you know, they stand out, they're different. And we have, you know, Shelly, who I'm sure we'll get to Shelly later and the girl that he's into, yeah. But I just, here's my favorite. So they have to make sure they have a certain amount of people 'cause they gotta kill people in it. And so, you know, we meet Chrissy, we meet this guy, we meet his girlfriend, we meet Shelly, and this and that, the other thing. And then when they go to get in the van, because the van is starting to smoke and they start to think, oh God, the van's on fire. They get inside and look back and there are these two like pot smoking hippies that are in the back of the car. And I know that this is just to like pad out the kills and give them two more friends, but it just looks like they came rented with the van. (laughing) - It's a dude and his woman, but honestly, it might as well have been changing junk. - Yeah, or like Shaggy and Velma. Like. (laughing) - It's fucking such a stereotype. - It is such a stereotype. And this is when the slasher movies started getting into a trope that I really think is fun. It gets really bad in the Friday 13th remake, which is that like every single one of them is an archetype. - Right. - And so you have like the gymnast and you have the jokester and then you have. - Buttoned up little school girl and you have the one that's the stoner and you have the one that's the party dude with the leather jacket. - Exactly. You ever noticed that the Jamie Lee Curtis type, the Lori Strode type always has the hypersexual best friend? I didn't even notice that until this time. They always have, it's 'cause we were, I was just watching another movie that we're gonna be covering next week and I noticed the same thing. I was like, she has the hypersexual best friend. Like they always have the best friend who's like, what? My legs never close. Like. - It's like when you write a slasher in the 80s, you have to have this rhythm and these characters or they won't let it go through. - Right, exactly. I'll give cabin in the woods that, at least they understand the archetypes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not afraid of that with much, but yeah. - Oh, thank God. Let's just get one more dig in there for cabin in the woods. I hope all of our friends are listening. - Well, you know, you listen to that movie and he can listen to this. So there you go. - Yeah, exactly. So many better movies. Anyway. - Talking of unique characters, one thing I wanted to ask, as our van full of unique characters is driving up the road, they pass by the store where Harold and his wife got killed by Jason. The cops are there taking bodies out, doing whatever the cops are doing. And there's three surfer dudes standing there, watching all, where the fuck did these guys come from? Who are they? - So, first of all, I didn't include this in my notes 'cause I thought to myself, if I fucking talk about these three people that are in two seconds of this film, Leo won't shut the fuck up about it. How I noticed something so idiosyncratic. It looked like they found that this was like the only thing they found at the bottom of the bin of the costume barrel. (laughing) We need three people that clearly went into the convenience store to pick up bread and shit. And then came out and was like, "Oh my God, there's two dead people in here." Look, it's setting up the fact that, you always have to have your final girl be like a little aware. - Catch the clues. - Yeah, she always has to be like a little aware. So, Chrissy is the only one that kind of eyeballs what's happening at the convenience store and the fact that there are dead people being brought out. - I'd like to say eyeballs as in leaning half of her fucking body out the window as she's driving the stare at this. - Thank God, there wasn't a nearby tree. - I know. (laughing) - I was just gonna say, or Friday the 13th, probably three would have turned into hereditary. (laughing) - I fucked it up. - God damn it. (laughing) - But, but you're totally right. Like it looked like the village people, like it looked like they might as well have been, like a leather daddy, a surfer, a sailor, a Indian chief, like it just came out of surf ninjas. They're from California, you know what I mean? - Nice surf ninjas reference. (laughing) This movie does a pretty good job at introducing its characters, but it doesn't do a great job introducing Rick because Rick is not necessarily an unlikable character, but Chrissy, who has been traumatized by something in the past, we don't know what at this point yet. She basically walks into the cabin Higgins Haven, that's what they call the cabin, you know, and Leo and I know it from the video game, so I'm just gonna call it that for, yep. She shows up at Higgins Haven, she walks inside and he forcibly grabs her, throws her against the wall and just plants his lips on her. Now, I don't know what Andrew Tate School of, a woman he went to, not a great idea. - Rick is a real ladies man, he's gonna force himself on you, he's gonna insist on sex throughout the entire weekend by giving you a schedule, mind you, of when and where and how. - Yeah. - And then he's going to call you fat when you try to be a little playful with him. - Yes. - Knows all the fucking moves. - Yes, I don't know if Harvey Weinstein was on set that day and was making some script, just putting in some script ideas, I'm not sure. - Is this what modern day people call alpha male, is that the whole movement there? - Maybe, I don't know, toxic, is this talk, are we supposed to talk about toxic masculinity now? - Probably, probably, yeah. - Probably, great, great. Insert conversation about toxic masculinity here. (banging) (laughing) (upbeat music) - Oh, hi, hello, it's Don. And along with my co-host Amy, we are the hosts of Horror House, True Crime and the Macar. If, like us, you have a morbid curiosity with True Crime, the paranormal, cults and more, then our show may just satisfy your curiosities. We release episodes on Fridays and bonus episodes every other Wednesday. You can listen to us wherever you find your podcasts and you can also find us on Instagram at Horror House_Pod. So, all that's left to say is, until next time, my friends, stay spooky. Shelley and Vera have a run-in with a biker gang at a nearby convenience store, followed by more conversation between Chris and Rick, more mysterious figures in the shadows, and more fake-out jump scares. When the gang follows Shelley back to the cabin to get some revenge, they siphon gas from the van and wander into a nearby barn where Jason kills two of them with a pitchfork and the other with a severe bludgeoning. Rick and Chrissy take a drive that night. They sit outside and talk about her traumatic backstory. After a fight with her parents, she fell asleep out in the woods where she was attacked by a large disfigured man wearing the exact same outfit that Jason had just acquired a few hours earlier. Don't think about it too much. All you need to know is that she blacked out and woke up in her bedroom. - We're gonna talk a little bit now about Vera, who's one of the most sensible fucking people in this group. She's actually the one character who genuinely has her shit together and if it wasn't for Chrissy, would have made a decent final girl, I think. But the fate was not there for her and had she listened to her mother, she would have survived, but that's a different conversation. We also get to meet Shelley, who is perhaps the greatest example of an incel that Hollywood has ever produced. - To the point that when he does get denied sex later in the film and Vera walks out, he turns to the fireplace and says, "Bitch." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah, this kid is the one when they all decide they want to go skinny dipping is going to stay behind because much like me, he's not skinny enough to skinny dip, he more chunky dunks. - Yeah, Shelley is quite sad and I feel very conflicted 'cause on one side, Shelley is so distinct. He is one of the probably most memorable of the people that Jason kills in all of the films. He is one of the most memorable. He looks different than everybody. He acts differently from everybody. He is this like theater kid, which already means he should die. (laughing) And then he's got this like makeup kit that he's constantly using to make it look like somebody killed him and scare everybody and cause everybody problems. At the same time, for those of you who don't know, he's played by a guy named Larry Zerner. And Larry Zerner is one of the most charming fucking people that have ever been involved with "Friday the 13th." And he was only in this one film. He never went on as an actor. He became a lawyer, but he has done nothing but show this franchise love and affection. And when they went through all their legal troubles, he was interpreting it for people on Facebook as a lawyer. So I'm so grateful that he's in this movie 'cause Larry Zerner's so fucking charming and has been so good to this franchise. - Given that all of what you said is true 'cause it is, would you consider him a horror icon? - That's a tough one 'cause he's only ever been in one horror movie. That's why I'm honestly not trying to be a dickhead about this this time. We're defining horror icons of people who are in the community and love the community and stay with it. And technically, his entire Hollywood career was in horror. - Sure, absolutely. Do I consider him more of a horror icon than say, Sigourney Weaver? - Mm, I don't know. Shelley, Sigourney Weaver, Shelley. - Such important characters to the genre. - They both have curly hair. - They both do have curly hair. They both end up with blood on them. - That is true. - They both call someone a bitch. - That is also true. - I mean, maybe we're starting to make a case for one or the other here. - Six of one happen to us or the other. They're so similar. - And Shelley, for anyone, you'll know him when you see him. I had a brother like this. He's sad and he's got low self-esteem. And he feels like nobody loves him so he doesn't love himself. So he acts out to try to get attention. And he even tells Vera later on, he says, "Why do you do these stupid fucking things?" He's like, "Because I want you to like me." Yeah, and that says a lot about him. And what I love about this character, I should say what I love about this actor, is that he was able to play that so well. He was able to present that so well, that the audience is divided around Shelley. He's such an iconic character to the franchise because as you had so elegantly said, he stands out so well as a character. But he's also so fucking annoying and so deep into his incel shit that you just want him to die. - I think that they could have made some small changes to his character and actually completed his arc while still killing him. Which is that I think that they could have literally, I would have cut the line where he calls her a bitch. It's really off-putting actually. And it really takes a character that's a little endearing and actually just makes him a total asshole. Maybe it's just the times, maybe it was funnier back in the 1980s. But it always kind of just put me off. Which is too bad because most of the movie I actually kind of feel bad for him. I don't think there's anything wrong with the fact that he wants to get laid by this hot chick. I have no issue with it. And so, and he does actually kind of like her. Like, I wouldn't care if he didn't like her and he just wanted to get laid. I'd be fine with that too. But he actually also is kind of like romantically interested in her and he wants to get to know her better and he wants to have a shot with her. And he's doing it the only way he knows how. Yeah, and I actually think that there could have been an arc that could have completed. Cause they come really close to completing his story. Which is that he's telling everybody like, "Hey, I just do all this theatrical shit and scare people." Because quite frankly, I don't know how to actually interact with people. And I don't know how to actually be an actual person and be genuine. And then Vera chews him out at the end. And it kind of like, it's almost there that if he had one more conversation, that he could have like completed that part of the story and then still died. Like if he had went and sitting down the pier and talked to her and had a real conversation rather than being a dickhead and showing up like he did. I mean, to give you an idea about this guy. I mean, he's the type of guy that like if he was, like if you were describing World of Warcraft to him and you accidentally called a knight a paladin, he would lecture you like a fat angry nerd for 20 minutes. And then he would put on his fedora and stomp out. - Yes, exactly. You don't understand area of effect at all. This is when characters start getting killed. We've had a couple characters die in the beginning and now we're going to have three members of a gang that have a very long scene at a convenience store. But it's fun cause the actors playing the gang members are fun, you know, they're having a good time. And they show up at the camp and then they siphon some gas out of a van and then they basically wander into a barn one at a time and all get killed. And it made me realize something. I've always wondered what was the appeal early on to be in a Friday the 13th movie? If you ask me now and you said, Stephen, you're going to play like the, you know, one of the counselors at the camp, you know, as any 44-year-old should. - Yes. (laughing) - And we're just going to like, you're going to have a short scene and we're going to cut your head off. I'd be like, I'm fucking in, like I'm so in for that. - Absolutely, yep. - 100%. But that's cause the movie now has like a story, like a nostalgia behind it. But that wasn't true at the time. So I always have asked myself, what do the actors other than getting paid and they got paid very little? What do they get out of being in this? And then I've realized what it is. Because all of the actors other than the final girl get the same moment. They get the moment where they hear or see something way off in the distance or out in the woods. They go to that thing and then eventually, like five minutes later, they have some horrible death. But the five minutes between is like actor improv time. - It really is. (laughing) It's still rampant in 80s measures, especially where you see the director say, I just need you to get from this scene to that scene. However you fucking do it is up to you. - Yup, that's totally true. And this movie, it's so bad. Like it's so bad. It's like the director told one of the gang members, so you have to go in the front door of the barn and you have to end up inside the loft. But what you do between then, the world is your actor's oyster. - And my God. I have to say there was enough of her exploring the barn that I'm like, yeah, I'd look around at the old shit too. I get that, but fucking fuck. - She looks like she's never seen a barn before. Like oh, she's like this weird straw on the floor. - Right. Oh my God. I thought she was blind and she was feeling everything to understand what it was. She's touching so much junk in that barn. She's like a sled and I was crying, man. - Wood, whoa. - Wow, a real saddle at the door. - Well, I mean, a ladder that goes up. Wow, it's so fucking weird. - I want Fox to be in my life 'cause she approaches everything with childlike wonder. (laughing) And the movie is full of this. She is not the only one that does this. They all do it and they all have this like extended sequence where you just, they do everything, but do lines from Hamlet. Like they just get to do like everything they want to do. And that gets too herald in the beginning. It's almost like they said, okay, we're going to have Jason stock you for a while. And then you're going to get me cleaver in the head or in the chest or whatever. And then he's like, well, high of this hilarious bit, where I'll walk through my own convenience store and drink Sunny D and eat donuts out of the carton. It'll be hilarious. - And then I'm going to go poop while he kills me, ha ha ha. - Yes, let's stay there for one second. This movie is rated R for the amount of people that take a shit in this movie and then hear a noise get up and don't wipe. - Oh, my brother. I have so many notes about people who don't wipe their ass when they get off the toilet in this film. And I don't understand it. There's never been anything unless the machete came up through the toilet while I was sitting there and somehow missed me that would get me to get off the toilet and not wipe before I go figure out what the fuck's going on. - And even if that machete did go up your ass, you would at least die knowing that it probably cleaned you a little bit. - A little bit, a little bit, this is fine. I'm going to shit myself when I evacuate anyway. So it's fine. It's all good. I'm in the right spot. Good Lord. It's like three or four characters in this film. Not even just this film. By the way, talking about part fucking five where he's in the goddamn outhouse, singing to himself, gets up and doesn't wipe his ass. - That death is amazing. That is the death that I will. That actor's amazing and that death is amazing. That I will defend that one. - No problem with the death. I'm just saying you had a whole bowel movement of your enchilada explosion. Get the fuck up and wipe your ass. That's all I'm saying. - If you don't know what the enchiladas are, look it up on YouTube. If you do know what the enchiladas are, yes, exactly. Watch part five. If you want to describe it in detail, email it to us at a cut above or review. (laughing) - Very. - At GeoCities.com. - Pacific detail. - Yes. (laughing) - But I just love, I was so charmed by it every time I saw it in this movie and it just made me laugh the more and more I recognized it, which was when the actor would be like, okay, I've heard a noise off in the woods. Now I need to go turn and look and now I'm gonna be like, hello? And I'm gonna wander over there, but on the way I'm gonna pull out my yo-yo and I'm gonna do some gymnastic tricks that I have. And I'm going to tell everybody about my book that I've published and I'm going to give the hashtag on my Instagram account. Like I'm gonna do, the actors are just improving all this stuff and it's so fucking funny to watch. - There's no way I can talk about this movie without making fun of Shelly. That's just part of the deal. But I have to say, I really admire the actor. I really admire the character because as I've said so many times before, when the character is so annoying that you want him to die, that means the actor's doing a great fucking job. I think this is the one character who actually did okay with his improv scene that you're talking about. As he goes up to the barn, he hears a noise, he walks the barn window, he starts looking through the window and he's calling out to two of the others going, hey, are you in there? Are you doing something I shouldn't see? And then he starts walking in hoping to catch them fucking each other or something. And then he's so in line with who Shelly is as a character. - Sure. - And you know, at least I can say about these characters too is that they've taken down some of the insufferability that some of these characters have 'cause one of the things that I just can't stand, Fatal Games did this. I can't stand the boyfriend who has no personality but wants to fuck all the time. And the girlfriend who has a personality that never wants to fuck. Like I'm so fucking sick of that. I hate that in slashers. - I get that. - It makes me, and by the way, I think they're both terrible. Like I think they're both like terrible characters. Like I want the guy to get a personality and shut the fuck up. And I want the girlfriend to stop acting like her boyfriend wanting to have sex with her is literally the worst thing she's ever dealt with in her life. - Yeah, that'd be nice. - It's so, they're both so repellent characters. And thankfully the two that would fit that role, they've dialed that down a lot more. So the boyfriend has a lot more personality and she's like, she's down to clown, she's fun, but she's also got a little bit of a, she's got her own personality and vibe. - She said straight out, she's like, okay, yes, but can we wait a little bit? I just got here. I'm still dealing with the trauma of reliving being here. Let's just wait a day or so. - Yeah, it's not unreasonable to be like, no, I don't want to fuck you in a canoe. Like, right, I'm not going to jump you the moment I see you but you know, maybe later. - Yeah, like can we have a minute? You know what I mean? Like it's, can we have a minute? Like that's fine. I totally understand that. So I do think that the movie, as much as I joke that some of it's a little interchangeable 'cause they always are, you know, part four is just as bad when they just truckload. Now they're, when they get to part four, now they're just bringing teenagers in by the busload, just dropping them off to be killed. - Here's your new artist, sir. - Yep, we got one kid that smokes dope and we got some naked twins and we've got one kid that can't dance and we got all the archetypes. - Yeah, and then when they show up to Leatherface, it's an entire bus full of gentrification. It's fucking great. - No, that's funny. (laughing) - So this is Chrissy's home, I guess that everyone's vacationing in and she's walking them around, showing them around. She lets them all pick their own bedrooms and looks to one of the guys saying, "This used to be my room." Now, I don't know a lot about living in the backwoods like you do. Does this look like the backwoods room of a little girl to you? 'Cause I think it was decorated more like some old fishermen. - Yeah, it looked like where somebody stores their antiques. - Exactly. I don't see a little girl growing up in this room. That's all I'm saying. - Yeah, it looks like where you lock in a little girl when you're holding her for a ransom. (laughing) - You're gonna sleep in a hammock and you're gonna play with this ball of lint. That's all you got. - Yeah, exactly. It looks like where the kids in flowers in the attic live. (laughing) - Yes. (laughing) - My floral furniture. (laughing) - How sleep would they have it? - The wall would have horses on it or anything. It would just, I don't know, it would just look bland to me. - Yeah, yeah, it didn't look great. It didn't look great. - 'Cause it was like nothing has changed. This place looks the same since the 20 years I've been here and I'm like, well, then what the fuck were you living in? - No, time makes no sense in this movie. So I love Friday 13th, the part three, but time makes no sense. Because one of the things that Chrissy's gonna be talking about is she's gonna be talking about the fact that she had this traumatic event that happened sometime between before yesterday and after she was, I'm gonna guess two years old. Because I cannot figure out when the fuck this traumatic event happened. - 'Cause even in the flashback, she looks exactly the same as she does now. - And she describes it once as being gone for two years and then another time she describes it as being gone for several months. - Yes. - And it's, I just had no fucking idea when this traumatic event took place. So this event, what it is, is that she was attacked by Jason at one of the other times she was at the camp. I love the idea. I actually love the idea that she had a run in which Jason Voorhe is like in her past. No issue with that. But first of all, he's not even wearing the outfit that he was wearing like before yesterday, which was the overalls and the big bag over his head, which I don't know if they couldn't like afford Oshkosh Bagash overalls and a pillowcase. (laughing) I was gonna ask about that. Do we really need Chris's backstory in this section of the film? Because I find it fascinating, the concept of people experiencing Jason around what we see in the franchise. It's the only thing about the Crystal Lake TV series that they're making that even slightly interest me. I'm still very apprehensive about that, but I digress. So maybe we'll meet his dad. No, I will immediately burn things down if that happens. (laughing) The idea that they wanted for this flashback was that Jason sexually assaulted her. But they changed that at the end. They decided, and she was a big deal on that. She's like, fuck no, I'm not doing that. So it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense that that would be the motivation for his attack in the first place. So I'm glad that they left that out. But then her, I don't know. I am curious about your opinion about how it plays out for the film and how well it holds. So I think this scene is a little ridiculous, but I actually like the fact that it happened. So one of the things that's a little odd about Friday the 13th movies, especially in the beginning, is they do have a little air of mystery to them. And I don't mean who the killer is, although they definitely play that old trope, especially in the first and second movie. But the first one has that very sort of dream-like ethereal ending which I really like. And then the second one has another dream that you can't really make heads or tails out of. But also, this is before they had really added supernatural elements to it. So it was questionable whether or not Jason was actually hearing his mother's voice and whether the mother was actually hearing Jason's voice. So there were these neat little mysteries in the early Friday the 13th movies that the people has just forgotten was kind of part of the franchise. It kind of let it go. You know, all these franchise things, they have certain things that stick and certain things that don't. - Right. - And in part three, there is like a little bit of mystery to this backstory, but at the same time, the timing doesn't make sense. For some reason, he's wearing the exact same clothes that he's wearing now. And it doesn't help that he's wearing like a green jumpsuit and he's got the fucked up face. 'Cause if you put a two-two on him, he looks exactly like Toxie from the toxic Avenger. - I mean, yeah, you're not wrong. I think that this moment was really good. Again, in the leaning into Jason still exists even when we're not looking at him, that I like very much. I think they would have done well with this like they did in previous films or later films where not literally this, but if they're sitting around a campfire and they're telling the story of Jason and maybe we get a couple quick flashbacks to scenes from the films or they're just talking about that. I seem to remember one where there's no flashback sequences at all. They're just telling the story. And I think if it was that and it wasn't her having this wavy vision overlay of being attacked in the woods in the background of what she's saying, that this would have come off a lot stronger. - I think also if it had just looked a little bit better choreographed. 'Cause I like the fact that she had a running with him and it connects to the original idea of part three, which is the part three was supposed to continue Ginny's story. - Yes. - But then Ginny didn't want to sign on, which is fine, you know, to be whatever. - Right, right. - A lot of those actresses, like this happened to the woman who played Alice too. They had like fucking creepy fans that wouldn't leave them alone. You know, and so I get it. I don't fault them for it. - Not at all. - So they wanted to continue Ginny's story, but they didn't, so they brought in this new girl, but they can't just have her sit at another campfire and hear the story of Jason Vorey's. - Right, yes. - 'Cause it looked like part two. So I understand why they were trying to do something different. I just think the execution is poor. Because it, as opposed to a normal, scary sequence, where she was like hiding from Jason or Jason showed up. It's this very awkward story about how she got in a fight with her parents, decided that the best thing to do in response to that was to go out into the middle of the woods and like, just fall asleep next to a tree, which now I'm thinking like, is her traumatic story gonna be like this? She wakes up with fucking raccoons. Like, (laughs) - It's 12 raccoons in a Jason suit, yeah. (laughs) - I didn't mean the raccoons were masquerading as Jason, but sure. - But that's more fun. - That is more fun. We're not a bunch of raccoons, we're Jason Voreys. - Are you gonna eat that? - The twist that it wasn't Jason Vorey's the whole time and was just a pile of raccoons wearing a Jason Voreys outfit is about as good as the twist at the end of Jason V. - You're not wrong. - Not wrong at all. In fact, I like the raccoons better. - Oh. - But, she is, so she ends up in the woods and you know, and like, you know, and of course she gets attacked by Jason, but it's a weird awkward wrestling match where she's, you know, where the two of them are fighting, like you can see that maybe originally it was supposed to be sexual assault, like you can kind of get that vibe from it. And in all honesty, I like the fact that she had a running with Jason. I just don't like the fact that the dream sequence, first of all, you can write whatever the fuck you want. You can literally be like, I was camping with my, you know, I was camping with my friend out in the woods or, you know, and then we were attacked by Jason and she got killed and I survived. - That would be great. - That could be enough. You can do it more like a Jason kill other than this weird raccoon wrestling match. - In a suit, yeah. - Now, I can't get it out of my head now. - See, it's fun. - It's such a good idea. (laughing) But, but instead of this sort of like awkward scene, and of course, you can write whatever you want. Like I say, it was saying, so you don't have to write the fact that she got into a fight with her parents. She's like, I know, I hate mom and dad. I'm gonna go sleep in the middle of the deep woods. - I'm gonna run away. That'll teach him. I'm 25, man. - Yeah, exactly, 'cause they all look 25. - That's right. - So, Jesus Christ, they're fucking, they're fucking ticks out there and shit. - I know, I know, why? Why would you do that? I have a lot of notes about people doing gross shit in this movie, by the way. So, like, get ready for that shit. - That would have been a great ending to that traumatic event. She was like, I've got to fight with my parents, and then I went out to the woods, fell asleep next to a tree and got Lyme disease, and then just leave it there. (laughing) - Her boyfriend's like, okay. - Yeah, just no mention of Jason whatsoever. - All right, just wear pants, I guess. - I do like that this whole touching scene happens with them sitting next to a storm drain. - I know, I know, I know so that. (laughing) Ah, the most romantic spot in the world, a sewer. I'm telling you, Rick is amazing. He's such a good lover, he's so fucking on it. - And did he not distract you, just so Rick, who's supposed to be like the hunky boyfriend, he puts on a sweater for them to go out, and it's the same exact sweater, the same fucking sweater, 'cause I looked. It is the same fucking sweater that Pamela Voorhees wore in the murder movie, and it's the same pattern, it's like a slightly, maybe like a slightly different color, that you buy a sweater once, you got to use it in all three movies. - I would say, and maybe they went down to Kmart and got a bulk deal, you know. - Right. (laughing) - Do you think the person doing continuity on Friday the 13th was like, "Motherfucker, it's the same fucking sweater!" - Quick, diet pink, make it different. - God damn it, they should've given him a line of doglog where he's like, "I found this sweater on the ground out by a small shed." - Should've been it. (laughing) - It's so comfortable. - Oh, what's her name dropped it on the trail from the last movie? That's how it is. - Yeah. (laughing) - Right, exactly. (laughing) Now Jason won't come, now I can't get rid of him. Jason Voorhees keeps showing up. (laughing) It's the sweater, it's attracted to the sweater. Back at Higgins Haven, everyone's smoking weed, getting laid, having juggling contests, and enjoying other forms of 3D fun. Vira decides to get some air on the porch while Shelly gets the bright idea to play a prank on her. He gets into a wetsuit, puts on a hockey mask, grabs a spear gun, and bursts out of the water causing her to scream. After getting rejected for acting like an ass wipe, Shelly wanders towards the barn and vanishes. Jason walks towards Vira carrying Shelly's gun and wearing the hockey mask. He kills her with a spear to the eye. It's a little unceremonious, but with his signature hockey mask, a legend is born. Jason goes on a killing spree. And he's killed while walking in a handstand and Debbie's stabbed while reading Fangoria. The two things are not related. Chuck and Shelly are killed after being electrocuted and stabbed with a fire poker respectively, and it's revealed that Shelly's throat has been slit. Chrissy and Rick return to the cabin just as a storm is brewing outside. The cabin is empty. They begin searching for their friend, but when Rick goes outside, Jason crushes his head, causing his eyes to pop out towards the screen. Chris runs into the barn and finds dead bodies hanging just outside. - Everything Shelly says sounds so desperate. - He only just met Vira, for example. They've known each other, maybe a couple of hours. And he can't be that into her that fast, that he's acting like she left him at the altar or some shit, which is why I call him an incel. Also, because he's not juggling correctly, what he's doing is technically the cheating way of juggling, he's not actually. The guy on the other side is doing the correct method, but I digress. The one thing Shelly- - What a dork. - The one thing Shelly did correct in his entire movie career was bring us this fucking hockey mask. That is absolutely his best contribution to the film and why I like him over all the other characters. - So Shelly does have this iconic moment, which Larry Zerner is just so entertained by, that the one movie that he's in, he gets to be part of this movie history, because he's the character that gave Jason the mask. And we do have to go through several more, like insufferably nerdy scenes, like the juggling with the 3D going right to the camera. There's a whole thing about Shelly's wallet and it's a Velcro wallet. And nothing says like desperate loser than a Velcro wallet. - Velcro wallet, Velcro shoes, there you go. - Yeah, exactly. Usually these scenes where we just focus on the victims and we watch them sort of like a day in the life of the victims when they're poking around with the fire and shooting the shit and whatnot. Usually it's really terrible, but most of the Friday 13th movies actually do these scenes pretty well, because they don't necessarily indicate exactly who's gonna survive, but plus also they do inject a little bit of humor. There's a really good joke in the movie where at least I laughed, maybe you weren't supposed to laugh at the time, but I laugh now, which is when one of the girls, the girl who ends up, there's like an acrobat, there's like a guy who's a gymnast who is doing handstands and whatnot. - Oh yeah, him. - Him and his girlfriend go upstairs and they fuck on the hammock. So when they're done, she goes and takes a shower. And as she's taking the shower, they do this like big music buildup, like done, done, done, done, done, done. And when she pulls back the shower, there's nothing there and the crescendo ends, and that got a huge laugh out of me every time that it happened, because they were playing with our expectations a little bit or reminded me of this, Scream 5 does a very similar joke really well, where they kind of like set up a music crescendo, and then they just close the door and nothing's there. - Right. - And so I did appreciate, I do think that this part is not dull and boring because they do find these little bits of humor that they can inject in. And because, yeah, you can assume that Christy's gonna be the final girl, but there are enough engaging characters here that you don't totally know. - And I like that the movie takes the time to develop that. Again, a lot of slashers don't. They don't make the effort to make the characters stand out or pop or have any sort of flavor to them. The stoner characters are actually a really good example of this because while they are a very stereotype clone of every other stoner character out there, we do get a little bit of like domestic out of them as they're making popcorn in the kitchen and shit, and they're talking to each other in a very normal way, and it's actually very charming, it's very cute. - Yeah. - And then the power goes out. There's a lot going on here for me. (laughing) - I wanna talk about the idea of the hippie community 'cause you know this. This man is going into an outhouse barefoot. Let's start with that. Is that real? - That tracks. - That tracks. - No, that's disgusting. - That is horrible. He's barefoot through the whole fucking movie. He is stepping in some absurd shit throughout this movie that I really almost puked at, but it brings up something a bit more egregious because he's stepping into an outhouse barefoot, an outhouse that has a pulse string light, which means they can run power to the outhouse but somehow can't have an indoor bathroom. And yet, and yet however, somebody's having a shower with a toilet in the bathroom and running water inside. Why is there an outhouse in the first place and why is he fucking using it? - Funny enough, I can actually answer those questions. - Oh, I'm intrigued. - Yeah, so my parents had a camp and it's pretty often that when you build in like a bathroom unit, you would not actually take out the outhouse because it's actually really complicated to do it because you literally have to go in there. This is actually true, you literally have to dig out the shit. You know, you can't just leave it there. And so it's just easier to keep the outhouse and also have the indoor bathroom, especially for a cabin of, I can't believe I'm answering this question. (laughing) But like, especially for a cabin that size. So for instance, that cabin has like eight bedrooms. - Yes. - And so they would just keep the bathroom and then they would all, they would keep the outhouse and then they would also have the bathroom upstairs. If anybody is interested in this and more Airbnb, (laughing) cabin tips, please email us at spoilsofhorror@gmail.com. - Okay, but he still shouldn't be barefoot in the fucking outhouse, that's dumb. - I'll tell you this, hippies find putting shoes on to be offensive. They would not wanna put on shoes on. And I'll tell you this, every time I saw his fucking feet, I thought to myself, Leo's gonna have a fucking field day. - Yeah, no, no, that was the worst part of this movie. That was the scariest fucking thing in this movie. Watching him rock around in all that gross and then his feet are just like black footprints. - But when he goes down into the basement and he turns on the pullstring light and Jason is behind him, that shot is gorgeous. - Oh, that's a great shot. - And for anybody who's trying to follow along, don't really worry about this part. This is just when he kills everybody. It doesn't matter what order it happens in. It doesn't matter who gets killed first and who gets killed second. Just let it go. - Yeah, people are dying, just enjoy the show. - They're all gonna, they're all dying right now, just let it go. But yeah, no, I totally agree with you. There is the spear kill. That's actually not my favorite kill in this movie. My favorite kill is probably the kid walking around in the handstand 'cause even though it's fucking irritating that he's doing it, the gore of that kill and the way that they actually had to make that kill happen. So what they had to do was they had to film the actor in a handstand through a glass floor in order to, because basically the camera is pointing up so that when Jason Voorhears appears and Jason Voorhears basically displays him in half like Dawn in Terrifier. You can just cut some right down the crotch. In order to get that shot, they had to show the actor basically doing a handstand on a glass floor and shoot up through the glass. - Which is an innovative filmmaker we were talking about. - Yeah, it's very innovative and also it's actually probably the goryest kill out of all of them. So that's my favorite. The spear gun kill always makes me laugh 'cause I just fucking love an insta kill. When Vera, she's digging around in the water looking for the fucking Velcro wallet, Shelly has disappeared. Jason walks out with the hockey mask on, we know it's Jason and she's like, who are you? What's going on? She's playing like 20 questions with Jason Voorhears. - Well, she thought it was Shelly at first and then she was like, oh no, yeah. - So the way that they have to shoot that spear gun 'cause they want it to go right into her eye, what they have to do is they have to point it right at the camera 'cause they also want the 3D effect. So therefore it's so fucking clearly on a string. It might as well as the low lines. - Oh, the wire is obvious. - You can see the wire. - And that spear shoots out so fast and goes right into her eye that it always caused a laugh reaction. Like ever since I was a child, I've laughed at that death. - Oh yeah, it's fucking ridiculous. I liked it for the reveal of Jason 'cause this is how we will know him from now on. - Right, exactly. - Iconic and for that. I do want to go back to the handstand kill for a moment because every single time I've watched this, this is where I laugh, this kill is great, it's gory, it's everything you said. Who cleaned up the blood? I know this is silly, but it's silly on purpose because I've been laughing about this since the kid. Every single time I watch this scene, he cuts this guy in half and then somebody comes walking down the hallway a few minutes later, there's no blood, there's no body, there's nothing. And I always imagine Jason going shit and then he runs to get those little yellow gloves on and some comet and starts scrubbing the shit out of the carpet while everyone's in the shower. - I am so glad you brought this up. There's so many great things about this sequence right here. I have so many questions. And I don't picture it so much like you picture it like him getting like a mop and a bucket and cleaning up. I picture it more like setting up for a surprise birthday party. - I get that, yeah. - Where if like, if we weren't focused on the girl in the shower and we were focused on Jason, it would be him scurrying around the room being like, she's gonna be here at any moment. And like trying to put the boyfriend's body like I don't know. - Offing him off into the room. - Yeah. And he's like, oh, like I gotta like leave the door just like slightly ajar. And now I gotta scuttle underneath the hammock but since I can clearly be seen by like literally every camera angle and eye angle known to man and it would be totally impossible for me to lay under a hammock. I'm Jason Vories, a fucking 6'3" and 230 pounds. Like. - And she's either a very oblivious person stepping in a pool of blood on her way out of the shower or he somehow got out there and rolled that rug up or cleaned it up or something. I think these are both very much the same thing. - This must have been like ET. Like she must have had a million stuffed animals underneath that. (laughing) And Jason just hid himself amongst them because I can't figure out how the fuck she could walk into that room, have him laying under a hammock and not see him. - This scene has always made me laugh for these exact two reasons. - But you're totally right. She should have looked at the reveal shouldn't have been that she saw her own dead boyfriend hanging from the rafters. It should have been that she looked over and saw the mop bucket and the mop and the gold gloves and like the dawn, like the dawn so. - That's right. He's got the Clorox out. It's like, who got all the cleaning supplies? - Do you remember those stupid dawn commercials where we would show them using dawn and like wash the ducks from oil spills? - Yes, that, oh yes, definitely that. - They should do that with Jason Voorhees. (laughing) - It's just rubbing the blood off. - And there's like a severed limb like right there. (laughing) He's got the dove like he's like washing down a canter. - He's holding it very gently like a baby duck and he's just waking it clean. - Yup, exactly. When 15 camp counselors were horribly murdered the camp was to like dove was there. (laughing) - Oh, so it's all the, it's all the like police officers and stuff and you clean out the cabins. (laughing) - Dove was there. Dove was in love care. - Yeah, like a raccoon would like blood on it and shit from like some camp counselor that Jason killed and all the environmentalist. - It was gnawing on limbs. We gave it proper food and a place to stay. - Yup. - And when Jason Voorhees had killed all the people and gotten all the blood all over the innocent animals Dove was there. - Dove was there. (laughing) - I do want to talk about the final death in the like group of friends. As much as we're laughing, this part works for me. I have fun watching it. You know, all these deaths are fun and they're all these little surprises and I actually kinda like the way the movie just gets to a certain point. It's just like, let's just fucking kill everybody. - Just kill them all. - Let's just kill everybody. I just want to say thank you to the writers of Friday the 13th for putting eight victims including the final girl because they always put in fucking seven or five. They always have one fucking loser that doesn't have a girlfriend or a boyfriend and I always think that they're themselves. I always think that they're like, who invites an odd number? Like who invites like three couples and one odd friend? - The pity invite. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, I agree with you. - That one lone friend better be a unicorn and swing both ways because that's the only chance they got to get laid. Somebody's hoping for a threesome but one of the parts that I love is the last one that dies in the sequence is the woman who is like the hippies girlfriend. She really has like an unintentionally funny death because when she figures out that people are dying, she starts screaming and crying like, "No, no, no, help, help." But what's so funny about her sequence here is she is screaming so loud and she is so upset but she is moving so fucking slow. She is slowly walking around and she's like going up the circular stairs and going into the rooms and finding the dead people and then coming back down them. She's moving so slow. If you put a headband on her and if you put ankle weights on her, she'd look like she was power walking. This is literally the least distraught person I have ever seen. She's screaming no and she's screaming help but she's literally walking from one spot to another leaning over tenderly to look at what's going on and then turning around and slowly going up this. It's like she's giving a viewing of a home for sale. She's not doing anything that indicates she's upset about this other than saying, "Oh, no, help me in a very vague and monotone way." And I thought to myself, is she accidentally put on her 10-inch pumps before she grabbed the wrong shoes and accidentally put those on before she started running from Jason Voorhees and finding these bodies because she is moving so fucking slow as she's running around this house finding these dead bodies. She acted like she was more concerned about getting up the stairs than anyone being dead. Yeah, it was very much a safety first attitude. It was very much like, "I'll do your horror scene. I'll run around, but I'm gonna do it with safety in mind." Right, exactly. Oh, no, she's like gingerly holding the railing and then she's making her way up the circular stairs. Like, "Oh, no, my friends are dead." Like carefully stepping on each stair. (all cheering) - Hey, welcome to "100 Horrors," a comedy podcast that seeks to rank the best 100 horror films of all time as dictated to us by a poster that one of his owns. - Every week, we pick up over another film and it attempt to give it an overall scare factor and secure its place in the "100 Horrors" list. - With features such as... ♪ Let it die ♪ ♪ But at least I won't die like that ♪ - And... ♪ What would you say to them at your own ♪ - We take a light-hearted approach to horror cinema so that it can be enjoyed by even the most squeamish of listeners. - So, whether you're the person who's never seen a horror film in their life, or the person who has a tattoo of Leatherface on the right-ass cheek, there's something to be enjoyed in every episode of "100 Horrors." - What? - All right, everyone, start your engines. It's time for the final girl marathon as Chrissy defends herself against Jason Voorhees. She performs all of the slasher movie greatest hits like "Finding Her Dead Friends," running upstairs when she could run outside and hitting Jason with a series of bookshelves, steak knives, and firewood. She tries to escape in the van, but it runs out of gas. With nowhere else to go, Chris hides inside the barn. She hits him with a shovel and hangs him from the hayloft. After realizing that he was the man that attacked her in the woods months earlier, she grabs an axe, swings it into a skull. Eventually, Jason falls down and dies. Chris runs outside, jumps into a canoe and rows into the middle of the lake. When she wakes the next morning, Jason is standing in the window of the barn, Chris screams, and the corpse of Pamela Voorhees leaps from the water, dragging her down into the lake. But don't worry, everyone, it was all a dream. Two officers find Chris inside Higgins Haven, put her in the back of their squad car and drive her to the hospital. The camera pans back on Jason's dead body in the barn and the quiet lake nearby. The movie ends. - We had talked about this in a previous episode and it might have been in one of our first season episodes. I went to find it so I could reference it correctly and then my ADHD got in the way and I got bored and I stopped. But we talked about how some survivor girls, some final girls, whatever you wanna call them, don't get the credit that they deserve for our final girls. We all remember Laurie Strode. We all remember Nancy Thompson. We all remember all the very specific ones that everyone lists every single time they talk about this. And there are so many more out there who are fucking phenomenal and do not get their due. Chris is one of them. I forgotten how fucking amazing this fight was between the two of them. And some of it was cliche and some of it was cheesy. But this girl held her own and this girl technically was the first one to actually defeat Jason. - Yeah, I love Chris. She's not my favorite of the Friday 13th final girls. I will hint that my favorite is yet to come. But not far away. - That psychic one. - Hey, she's pretty fun. No, for me, it's a sister in part four. I just think, I love the fact that she has someone to fight for and I love the fact that she fights for a brother. And I just love the fact that she goes fucking tooth and nail after Jason. You know, and I really like that she hasn't got a turn too, which is like surviving for herself and then surviving for someone else. You know, and takes on that protector role. I think that's pretty cool. But don't get me wrong, I actually like all the final girls in the first four movies. And Chris is 100% an unsung hero. She is very likable. You want her to survive. And I think, look, I've been on record saying this, I may love my hardcore horror movies where everybody gets fucking obliterated, but I love a girl and final girl fight. And holy shit, is this a good one. This is a blast. - I had absolutely forgotten. Like, I obviously knew this movie, but it's one of those things where it had been so long since I actually sat and watched it. It was just in my memory. And I knew the fight and I knew her hitting him with the axe and all this other shit and hanging him from the thing. I didn't realize how good the fight was. I didn't realize how much cat and mouse there was. I didn't realize how many good hits she got on him. And that she was able to dodge him and fool him enough to get a solid strike on him several times. I'm like, this bitch, got it. - And listen, you gotta have the right alchemy for movement. One of the things I really like in a good final girl fight is I wanted to move from place to place. And we talked about this in the first Friday the 13th and maybe probably even in the second one too, but it really moves and it finds new and different places to cause drama. So she runs up the stairs. She has to hide in a closet. She has to hit him with a knife. Then she has to crawl out a window. Then we do a whole part of the fight outside with the van. I just love the fact that we talked about this even with critters too. Like I was so impressed with just how many different spaces and different little places they found to create excitement and drama. One of the ones I thought that was a great idea was her being able to drive the van as far as the bridge, running out of gas. And then you have the extra drama of the van's weight on the bridge starting to break the bridge underneath. I thought that was a really, really, really good stuff. But I particularly like when she hides in the closet she has to pull a knife from her own dead friend who's also in the closet with her. I was gonna bring that one up. Yep. Because that's some sick shit. And that's the kind of stuff you're looking for in this. Like I need to survive. I need to get out of this and I have to do whatever it takes. Even if that means taking the thing that murdered my friend out of them to help me to this end. It was good. I haven't seen a lot of movies do shit like that and it was really well played. And not just in that, oh it's gruesome and horrible, but that it played well within the sequence of events and what was happening. 'Cause that's the other thing for a really good final fight that I think really needs the like good dialogue or good music, how it has to flow. It has to be something that works. And the chase has to be the right thing. You have to chase them into the right area. If you get stuck in that area you have to have the right solution to get out of it. It all has to play well. And this movie really choreographed it. And I love the fact that you use the word choreographed 'cause that's exactly correct. There's a reason why we can watch a fight scene in an action movie that's full of CGI with the characters doing impossible things and it's not thrilling at all. But for some reason, when we watch the first John Wick movie and those actors are actually doing like very real fight choreography that it's fucking thrilling. It's thrilling to watch any John Wick movie- - It's like one of those early Jackie Chan films where he's- - 100%, yep. - Or like a Shaw Brothers film. - Yeah. - Totally, absolutely. I totally agree with you. And a good final girl fight has that. Like these two actors playing Jason and Chrissy are fucking working their ass off in this scene. They are working their ass off. They're running around. They're hitting each other with knives and shovels and different things like that. - I actually want to bring that up. She hit him in the back of the head with a shovel and it knocked him out enough to get the rope around his neck and try to hang him. Which is very smart. And it's the one thing I've always said about Jason. His weak spot is the back of his head 'cause he's got two straps back there holding that mask on. All you got to do, wave for him to walk by, aim your shotgun, blow his fucking brains out, killer's done. You can't live without brains whether you're a zombie or not. - Oh God, there's so much in here I want to talk about. (laughing) That's why I totally agree with you. And one thing that I find that this movie does really well is you've got to really land the alchemy of how many hits that the final girl can land on the villain before it looks like the stair scene in "Scary Movie." (laughing) - Yes, when you start throwing grandma at him, that's a problem. - Yeah, we're dumping a piano down the stairs. Like you have to land it just enough so she looks like a badass and so she looks like she has a shot. But not so much that Jason looks like a fucking idiot. - Right, exactly, yes. Once you take the scare factor out of him, it's done. - Exactly. - You can't look like one of the three students. Like he can't look like clearly. But one of the things I also really like is that they didn't do this in the second one. I like the fact that they kill her boyfriend. I like the fact that they kill him off. He has one of the most hilarious/horrifying deaths in the whole movie. And I'll tell you why I said horrifying. I saw this movie when I was a kid 'cause I fell in love with Friday, 13th movies. And I did the thing, I've talked about this on the show numerous times where I went to the video store like any good 80s kid and I just rented part one and then the next week, part two and then next week, part three and worked my way all through them. And I had a particular blast with probably the first four or five, maybe even six because those ones, there's a lot of continuity between the two of them or between those six. So I really enjoyed those ones the most. And I found this was probably Rick's death was probably one of the two scariest deaths in this franchise to me when I was a kid. 'Cause when I was a kid, I could be scared. Like obviously I don't get scared anymore. But I still watched horror movies despite the fact that I was terrified of them. I was that kid. I was frightened as fuck of horror films and loved that feeling and sought after it. And so when Rick is pulled behind the cabin and Chris comes out, she's like, Rick, Rick, are you out there? First of all, I laugh now because the wind blowing in her hair and the way she walks out of the porch, it looks like she's gonna break into a song. - I also, just to describe this for a second, she steps out on the porch to look for him just around the corner over her left side is Jason holding onto him and keeping him quiet. They cut back to a scene, I'm jumping around a little bit, but they cut back to a scene later where she comes out on that porch again running from Jason and she holds up a log, ready to thump him in the head. And I couldn't help, like I would have laughed myself sick if Jason had come through the other door and saw him standing there and the whole thing didn't work. (laughs) But when Jason crushes Rick's head, this is supposed to be, I think, one of the big 3D moments in the movie because his eyes pop out of his skull, but the head's very fake. And you can see the rods of him that are behind his eyes that shoot his eyes out towards the screen. - Oh, and it's the most hilarious thing. - So right up there with Nightmare Down Street Part Two and a few other movies that I found terrifying as a kid and then saw them as an adult and saw them in a very different way. - Very different way, yes. (laughs) - This death, this death is not like the photographer in the Omen, which just always works for me. And I think back and I go, Jesus Christ, I bought fucking shit myself when I was a kid seeing that death. I now watch Rick's eyes pop out of his skull and laugh abruriously every time. - The whole movie is worth it to get to this one moment just for the laugh. - But I do think that it's great that they kill him because it does actually add stakes. She feels very alone at the end of this movie. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with you completely. And I think more of these style of movies should have done more of this, where when done correctly, you can take the character out completely and it makes the movie better. - Sure, absolutely. I will tell you just on nostalgia, there's another part that has a lot of memories to me, a lot of meaning to me. Because my father, when my father loved Friday 13th movies, he doesn't really love him anymore, but he loved him when he was young. And we would sit, when I was really young, he would sit with me at my kitchen table and I must have been like six or seven years old. Like I don't know, nature versus nurture, I have no idea why there are certain things that I'm into, but horror has been with me forever. Like the earliest memories that I have of engaging with horror didn't matter if I was scared of it or not, I loved it. And my father used to sit at our kitchen table and tell me stories about things that happened in horror movies. And he told me everything that happened in the first four Friday 13th movies, everything. To the point that I remembered them so clearly from being like six or seven years old to when I saw them in like, you know, when I was 13, 14, 15, I was watching these movies. I just like was like thrilled to finally see these moments. - Here it comes, yeah. - Exactly. And I didn't always know what part would come and what movie, you know, 'cause I didn't know the order. But when it got to this scene with the haloft, my father had described this to me so many times that she pushed him out with the noose around his neck and that then she had to go past him. And he, and I remember my father literally taking his hand and holding it above his head and mimicking the rope and Jason pulling himself up on the rope and then pulling him off and then pulling open his mask. That I almost have trouble figuring out whether or not I love this moment just 'cause it's actually a really cool moment in their final girlfriend or whether I just feel so much nostalgia and so much gratitude towards my father for having the balls to do something that most dads wouldn't do which is literally sit across from their son who was fascinated by horror films. And literally describe, he described every fucking death in any of the movies to me, all of them. I knew all of them. - Yeah. - And I knew how Jason died in every movie and I knew different things that happened to him. I knew about the, when she throws a bookcase on him, I knew about all that and that but that moment when she pushed him off the halof was so, it's so meaningful to me to this day 'cause I always think of my dad. - I mean, you obviously have a different connection to it than I do but I also thought that was a powerful scene. One of the things that I don't know a lot of people acknowledge with Jason as a character. He was still human in the first four movies. - Yep. - This is a guy and he's got some sort of birth defect or mutation or whatever but he's just a guy and he's getting the ass kicked. He's getting his ass kicked throughout the movie. And this is the moment where he gets the iconic axe wound in his mask and everything. And somehow he's able to pull through and somehow he's able to fight back but eventually it gets to be too much to him and he falls down. And when she hung him, that was a smart fucking move and she pushes past him, that builds the terror and when he woke up from that and got himself out of that news that was fucking frightening. That was a big deal. - We have always said for years watching horror films, why doesn't she just take her gun and fucking shoot the killer in the head and then finally they did it in Scream which was hilarious, which was hilarious and very funny but we've always asked ourselves this but there was a final girl who did it and it was Chris. - That's right. - She wrapped that news around his neck and tossed him out the side and of course yes, the great drama of now I have to push past his body to be able to get out of the barn and then of course he comes back to life. And I'm really glad you bring up the fact that there was a sense in these early movies of like fun mystery as to how alive or undead he actually was because he could take on so much more damage. - 'Cause that's the thing, he wakes up, gets out of the news, she puts the axe in a skull. Now that's what follows him and that's cool. He's human, he can only take so much. She put a big wound in his frontal lobe, he's on the ground, well done. - I will tell you there is actually one thing that I don't like in this final fight and it's only just because the timing on it is like five seconds off earlier when she starts to finally realize that something is going wrong. Rick has been killed, his head has been crushed. Chris is in the house, she hasn't faced Jason yet but she's all alone. And she screams out, "Rick, help me." And then we have 10 seconds. And then Rick's body comes through the window. His body should have come immediately through the window when she said, "Rick, help me." - No more than three seconds on that, they waited too long. I get what they were doing, they wanted to build up that tension 'cause in my mind as an adult now watching this, I feel like they were like, "Hey, people are expecting us to throw him through immediately." So we're gonna have an extra long pause where nothing happens and fool the audience and then suddenly there he is. It didn't work, if that was your plan, it didn't work. You literally three seconds later, no more than five. If you wanted a pause like that, push it to five but no more than that and then blam right through that window. - Yeah, exactly. I will say now that I think about it, there are actually two things I don't like in this final fight. The part where she's on the bridge with the van, love all that, love the drama, love the van collapsing, love that Jason shows up in the passenger window or sorry, the driver side window reaches his hands and starts strangling her. I'm not totally in love with her resolution for that which is that she grabs the old school handle and rolls up her window and Jason gets stuck, his arms stuck in the window. - Yeah, he's flailing around in the window. - And his arms are flailing around like it, it looks so fucking lame. It's right up there if she had repelled him with the cinnamon air freshener. (laughing) It's so lame watching him get his hands rolled up in a window, it wasn't the best. I liked him smashing his hockey mask into the glass to break it but they could have done that anywhere else in the movie and made it work just better. - Yeah, exactly. I do hope they figure out that the one thing that repels him is a cinnamon-glade. (laughing) - You know what it is? It's one of those trees. It's one of those little trees that hang off the back mirror. - Yeah, exactly like on the mirror and he just holds his hand up in front of him like it's garlic and like he's crystal-related. (groaning) - Exactly. So there's a point where Chris hides in the barn and Jason has to look for her. And I feel like this is very fair because all of the other actors have had their moment to walk into the barn and have five minutes of improv training before getting their kill. And boy, oh boy, is it fun to watch Jason Voorhees have his five minutes before he gets that shovel in the head where he just wanders around inside that barn looking for Chris and decides that Jason Voorhees is going to have an infant-style temper tantrum. - That's right. There's a weird phenomenon with human beings. Nobody looks up. It's a strange thing that you can hide anything in plain sight if you just put it a little higher than view 'cause nobody looks up. So Jason's running around the barn looking for her. She's hanging from the rafters up above him. He can't see her, that's great. But my God, his whole thing is like a kid that didn't get a juice box during their break time at kindergarten. - If he hadn't found her quicker, he would have gone fetal and started to scream and cry. (laughs) - He's even just slamming his fist and kicking on the floor, like (screams) yep, screaming for mommy, which is very in line with Jason Voorhees. - Yeah, he is a mama's boy. There's no way about that. - He is a mama's boy. - The Ax in the Head, that's probably one of my favorite 3D moments because when they show Chris put that Ax in his skull, I'm not really gonna get into the whole reason she's able to do it 'cause it's kind of dumb. - I love this last fight, but a character that we thought was dead shows up at the last second and has like a small moment that distracts Jason. - They could have done with that. - They could have done without it. It's better to have her just pick up the Ax in sinking into a skull. But when he doesn't die right off the bat and his hands lunge out at the camera and he moves forward, which I always thought was terrifying when I was a kid, I think that that would look so amazing in 3D. Oh yeah, this is what I was talking about before. As much as I love how this movie plays now, there's a part of me that would really love to see it in 3D again, like proper 3D, you know, that digital shit, just to have that experience one more time. - My last note is actually a question for you and it is a true question. There's no joke behind it. What do you think of these last series of endings because we have Jason get hit with an Ax fall over and die? Then we have a dream sequence, so we have another sequence. What do you think about this last section of the movie? - I think it does the right stuff. One of the things that makes the first four films so good is that they have a bit of the continuity and a bit of the sameness to them. So every one of them starts by recapping the one before and every one of them ends with something jumping through a window or jumping out of the lake to get the people, but that was just a dream and then we move on to what's really happening. And I think this one did it really well. I think it was a smart move to show Jason just laying there on the floor, reeling from his wounds, blah, blah, blah. I think showing Chrissy going crazy was also the right move. I can see somebody just going a little off the deep end on that one and needing some time, take her to the hospital, get her out of here. So I think it all played very well. When I was younger, I thought that this was the movie that didn't end 'cause there was like three or four different ending moments. Like Lord of the Rings. Yeah, looking out with fresh eyes now, I'm like, you know what, I can follow this and I see what they're going for. So I like the Pamela Voorhees prop, or costume or whatever. The thing that comes out of the water, I mean, it's got clearly living insects in it or just insects that were so. Yeah, there's worms that I'm pretty sure were real. Yeah. And so that prop looks amazing. I think that it feels a little mucky at the end here because you have basically one ending, then you have a second ending, then you have a third ending. And I think it's also because I know they shot an alternate ending and I just think the alternate ending is awesome. For those of you who've never seen it, there's only pictures that exist of it. They did shoot it, but the film was lost. That's how they have the pictures. But it was, I'm pretty sure it was a dream sequence, but even if it wasn't a dream sequence and it really happened, I can actually go with it either way. Which is that Chrissy kills Jason, then we have like the light of day sequence, like everything's fine. And then she wakes up on the beach and she goes to open the door, Tegan's Haven to leave and Jason walks out and cuts her fucking head off. I actually could even go with her dying at the end. I've said many times that as much as I like a final girl, I don't actually need them to live to like the movie. I actually think it would have been pretty cool if Jason wins one of these movies. I actually think that that was something that we haven't done yet. That would have set up four really well. - Actually, yeah. - If the heroes had died in the third movie, then fourth would have felt like fucking all chips were on the table. - Exactly, yeah, a little more fear factor to it. - And not like Chrissy ever came back, so you know, who gives a shit, but anyway. - I agree with you completely. I like the alternate ending. I think they should have kept it. It brings a question to my mind, who's calling the cops in these movies? We always see the police show up at the end of the film to take the bodies away and do their crime scenes, such and so forth. Typically, there's only one survivor and that person isn't much use, to be honest. Alice was found floating in a canoe and then she ends up at the hospital. Ginny and her boyfriend walked away, but that may or may not have been a dream whether they got killed by Jason busting through the window. And then this one has a mental breakdown, gets thrown on ambulance and goes off, "I don't think she's in a position mentally to call the cops." So how do these guys get here? Who's calling them? - I wish I had an answer for you, but I don't even know why these girls have so much problems staying awake after they've killed Jason Voorhees. Drink a fucking Coke, like drink a Coke, like Jesus Christ. - Get a gatorade, pump up. - Yeah, all three of the women that you just mentioned, like wander out after they've killed the main killer and they're like, sweeping beauty, like, "Whoa!" - I'm gonna fall asleep in a canoe, I'm gonna fall asleep in Jason's shack. I'm gonna like, "What the fuck?" - Yeah, right. - Oh, I fought and fought and fought. Now I'm a talker at a boat. (laughing) - He'll never find me if I'm staying still in one position for eight hours. - Right. Do you think Jason Voorhees now that he's been through a million of these? And he's like, he gets beaten by that one last girl and he gets up and he's like, "Oh, that fuck, that girl got away and I didn't kill her." And then he looks out and he sees that canoe in the lake and he's like, "They fall for it every time." (laughing) - One can only hope. He's learned his lesson. - I know, it's really stupid in the remake too, where they're-- - Yeah. - For some reason, the surviving characters have to have like a eulogy for Jason Voorhees. - Right, yeah, like, what the fuck is that? (laughing) - I like that movie too, and I'm like-- - Oh yeah, that doesn't mean I can't pick on it. (laughing) - I'm like, you have to like have like this special funeral for Jason Voorhees, you have to bring him out to the lake and let him, you know, let him down nicely. It doesn't make sense. - At least they didn't use holy water, I know. (laughing) - That worked on Freddy Krueger. - Eh. - It worked. (soft music) - So Leo, now that we've made our way through the third installment of this nearly perfect franchise. (laughing) What did you think of Freddy 13th, part three, 3D? - I mean, nothing but love for the franchise, straight out. This movie in particular, again, the way that they deliberately went out of their way to make 3D happen, which I know is gimmick at the time is all their age, blah, blah, blah, but it really stands out to the filmmaking process that we've gushed on. I had the opportunity to go to the site where they filmed Crystal Lake in the first movie. I was thinking to myself, I was gonna travel around and see some other Friday 13 sites just to see whether they were all filmed and all that. And that's what I learned that Higgins Haven burnt down by a fan accidentally, apparently who went out there and did something stupid and burnt the whole fucking place down. And they keep saying they're gonna rebuild it. I don't know if it's ever happened or not. I didn't look into it that much. But I think it speaks to how great this movie was in a weird way that people were so excited about it that they had to go there and be a part of it and actually be on the property and use the place and feel like they were part of the film. And I really respect that for a movie. I also find this film where Jason's concerned to be particularly interesting because the hockey mask being so iconic and such an accidental, oh, let's just use this and then it became the thing. What's more interesting for me is not the hockey mask, but what's behind it because for this one character almost entirely out of all these types of slasher films, what's behind the mask is what's scary. The mask itself is a hockey mask. It's not all that particularly scary. All things considered. The character behind it and having the opposite of that be true is what makes Jason a unique horror character is what makes the franchise a unique franchise because we don't know and we see it as it goes on. He gets worse and worse and worse as far as physical appearance goes and more zombie-esque and all that. And the reveal of that inevitably in the film is what we're all dreading and we're all waiting for and it's terrifying and it's cool because nobody else does that. Michael Myers took his mask off once or twice and nobody cared because he was this cherubic little fellow under the mask, you know? But I think that's neat. I think that's a unique take. I think a lot of other films don't bother to go down that road. And you had asked me, I think it was in The Good Night Mommy episode, if there were a lot of movies that I remember differently from how they played out. And watching this movie again, I realize there's a lot of things that I don't remember as clearly as I thought. One that sticks out to me as I had mentioned is how amazing the final girl fight is. Genuinely forgotten how savvy and smart the Chris character was and how great that fight was. And I think with all of our talk about having films need to pay off at the end, this one really fucking managed it. So, you know, great fucking movie. - I always forget that Jason Voorhees is a evolving character in these early films where the filmmakers kind of stick with things and abandon things. And I forgot that he, we talked about this in Friday 13th part two, that we forgot this a point where he runs away from Ginny. - That's right, he does, yes. - And in this movie, there's a part where he grunts. He actually grunts several times when he takes a knife to the knee and a knife to the hand. And I thought that that was just funny and interesting that sometimes we revere movies in a way that doesn't really totally connect with the way they were actually made. You get into this with the chance happening of him putting on that hockey mask and that making him an icon. I think it is sometimes when I think of the first Halloween movie and people hold the first Halloween movie in such high regard, and they should, it's an amazing film. But they don't think about the fact that it was made by 20 somethings. - Right. - And so when they try to square up in later films, you know, why Michael Myers runs instead of walks or, you know, walks instead of walks or why he does this or why he does that, it's 'cause it was a film made by 20 year olds. First Star Wars is like that dude, they had no fucking idea that Carrie Fisher was gonna be Luke Skywalker's sister. They had no fucking idea, that's why he kissed him. We make these movies sound so fucking perfect. And then the filmmakers had no fucking idea what they were doing, they just got lucky. They came out at the right time. And Friday 13th movies, they came out at the right time. They came out at a time when there were a whole shit ton of 20 year olds that were looking for some horror movies to see at the theater, a place where they could make out with their boyfriend and girlfriend. And these films were not the horror films of yesteryear. They weren't the hammer films, which we love, but the family, the people had fallen out of them. And they weren't the old science fiction movies, they were different, they were new. They were goryer, they were simpler, they were meaner, and they were a little scarier. I love Friday 13th part three. I think that Steve Miner's a good director. He's gone on to make some really good films. I think that he has a really good eye for how to make these movies. I think he makes them the best that he can. And despite the fact that I have set a thousand jokes about this film in this episode, I fucking smiled every time I watched Friday, the 13th part three. It was never boring. It never didn't move for me. I wasn't, I was interested the whole time. I totally agree with you. The final girl fight kicks ass. It's really fun. And her fear is so palpable that you're actually okay with the fact that she slogs him with a log and she hits him with a log. Because she still feels like she's losing. She still feels like she could get killed. And so it all just really works for me. And holy fuck is the 3D fun. The 3D effects make me laugh every time. I always forget. That's the thing I always forget. I always forget that this movie was done in 3D. And the first time that somebody pulls something out of their pocket and they're like look at my, yo, yo, and they like hold it towards the camera. I'm like, oh yes, this one is 3D, baby. And it cracks me up every time. I love this movie. I love it. I make no apologies. And I don't give a fuck what you think if you're some high flute and horror fan. And you think these movies are garbage. You can suck my balls. I don't care. That goes nicely with something you said a moment ago that I want to touch on as the recap ends, which is how horror changed in the '80s. Because we had been so Dracula and the mummy and the wolf man and the blob and all these iconic fucking films. And it went into something a little more sci-fi ethereal with things like invasion of the body snatchers and the thing. And the slasher craze really took off. And it really created a whole new genre. And it created a whole new era for horror. And it opened the door for many other horror films. And it's interesting to me how we assign the meaning of a horror film based on the modern society, or so than when it came out. I always like to take a movie for what the director intended, not with modern society intents. And even if it happens or not, frankly, the fact that this movie can live on and find life, even new life, in a new way with a new culture and a new era and a new attitude, I think that's tremendous. I think that speaks so well to these films. Isn't it amazing to think of this film being banned, not banned, panned at the time? It's so fascinating to look at this film and know that it was panned by every critic that saw it. And now the horror art film of a violent nature came out and has like a 85% certified on rotten tomatoes. And that movie is so like, I personally did not care for that movie, we will talk about it when we talk about it. I personally didn't like it, but it is a love letter to Friday 13th Part 2, it is, I'll give it that. - Sure. - And that part of it I loved and it worked really well. Like it's very specifically, it references like scenes and lines of dialogue from Friday 13th Part 2. It really is a love letter to that movie. And I'm thinking, what a weird, weird time, what a weird time that like television shows that are like highly critically regarded are now referencing Friday the 13th. - Yeah. - In their show and getting like these huge accolades for it. - Or at the time it was like, oh, we hate this, this is garbage, this is a blight on society. - Right, these movies are gonna ruin society. Listen, I was into Roger Ebert when I was young, I was a movie fan, I wasn't looking at him for horror reviews, I was just into movies in general and I was looking to him as more of a movie critic. But look, I'll give it, I mean, he trashed on these movies and I think he really got it wrong. You know, he has a great review of Anaconda that totally changed the way I looked at cinema 'cause he gave Anaconda four stars. And people were like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And he said this movie was only trying to be a fun movie about a giant snake. So I reviewed it on the merits of it being a fun movie about a giant snake. And I learned so much from that review and I wish he had applied that to these horror films right here. I think that he was a little too caught up in the horror films of yesteryear. And 'cause this is a movie about some giant fucking creature that kills people at a camp and I fucking love it. Four stars all the way around. - I think he had a small bias against horror in general, in my opinion. - Oh, I agree. - You know, that's what it was and I agree with you and why we hold true on the show about let's review it, not review it, but let's talk about it at least for based on what it is and not compare it to things that aren't like it. - Leo, do we wanna talk about the next two films that are coming up? - Oh, I suppose we have to. We owe people something for the last Flemry. We had a run of films that were stinkers. Let's face it, we did this. Some of them deliberately and some of them we didn't expect to dislike as much as we did, but then that's how it happened. So we made it a point to pick films now that we love so we can have something to brag about and to have fun with. - Night Murnham Street 2 was on my radar. Like that was one that I really wanted to cover right up there with new nightmare as well. I was very excited about that. And then after that, we're going back to one of my favorite cities in North America. We're gonna be going to Tromaville and we are going to be covering the original Toxic Avenger in hopes that covering the original will make that 2023 movie eventually come out. (laughing) - If nobody else can bring it to life, then maybe we can try. They still got that genius somewhere. We can figure it out. - Oh, that can be our final wish to the Wishmaster Gym. (laughing) - We'll see, let's cover the movie first and we'll see if we can, we can waste that on him. - Yeah, so the next two movies are Night Murnham Street 2 and Toxic Avenger. - So good times coming up. Join us for that. - All right, we'll see you soon. - Bye. (eerie music) (eerie music) (eerie music) (eerie music) (dramatic music) (eerie music) (eerie music) (eerie music) (eerie music) (eerie music) (eerie music) (dramatic music) (dramatic music) (dramatic music) (dramatic music) (dramatic music) (dramatic music) (dramatic music) (gentle music) [MUSIC PLAYING]
