This is a 20-minute teaser of my full conversation with Gen Glaister, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for $3.85 to listen to the full discussion and all monthly bonus episodes.

Gen was a prison officer in England and had been eager to become one since age 15. She talks about the difficulty of comprehending how some people can be so gentle and kind but also be a human trafficker, how she'd try to educate prisoners convicted of rape that wearing protection doesn't mean it isn't rape and the worry of losing the ability to feel compassion at all after witnessing so much trauma in prison.

You can order a copy of Gen's book, The Prison Officer, here.

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