Travis Billy Ross Outlaw Country Show
Episode 9 - Jim Hart
(upbeat music) - I got the whiskey. - Let me have a drink here, whiskey. - Better get out of here. (upbeat music) - My name's Ken and I clean Willie Nelson's underhole. (laughing) - Underhole? (upbeat music) - I know you don't agree, but I think he's the king of country. - Get the fuck out of here. (laughing) - Get out of my studio. - No, I'm scared. No, hell no. (upbeat music) - From the Ramona Radio Studios, it's the Travis Billy Ross Outlaw Country Show. (upbeat music) - All right, welcome to the Outlaw Country Show. Travis Billy Ross brought to you by Outlaw Barbecue 'cause nobody wants to party with salads. Keep Dean up a call, you know? Get out some good old barbecue. Hit 'em up, 858-354-7712 for your best smoked meats. Everybody loves meats. Nobody wants to party with salads, so we've got with me today as always sweet curbs. - Hey, hey. - Hey curbs, how you doing today? - Very well, thank you. - Also with me, we've got Eric, go for it. - Hello. - We do got a special guest, but before I introduce the special guest, I want to tell you all, this is the day. Today is the day. - Are you guys ready? 'Cause it doesn't affect me. - It kind of does affect you. - Yeah. - Not in the same way it affects y'all. It is not temporary, Eric. - Yeah, yeah, we figured that out last show. - Yeah, yeah. - It is not temporary. - All right, today's the tattoo day y'all. We're getting the-- - We're getting inked. - We're getting inked up today. - This is gonna be my first tattoo, so. - Mine too. - Yeah, right. - Get out of here. (laughing) - I cannot believe after all these years, my first tattoo. - Oh, this is it, man. This is gonna be the tattoo, this is the day, man. - And I didn't lose. I didn't lose. - You did your list. - I didn't even told yourself that you were gonna do this. - Well, here's the thing. Travis and I were having a discussion the other night and he was, we were trying to practice, basically. And I said to him, 'cause he said, you shouldn't have won this one, basically. And I said, "I, Eric's the one that came up "with this situation. "I did not say anything about tattooing no one. "I came up with this all by his pretty little self." - I was really taken aback why nobody, everybody was trying to push back so hard on this and I really pushed. I'm like, "No, no, no, let's make a big, let's do this." - The guy that's never had a tattoo before, ever. - Not only that, he thought they were temporary. - Yeah, well, that's why. That's why I didn't care. - Let's make it the size of a coaster. - Yeah, who cares? - Scale that back just a little. - You're tattooing my forehead size as a rocks glass. - It'll be gone by the morning. - It'll be gone in a couple of weeks. Who cares? It'll be a fun story. - All right, so we're gonna do this after our, we got a good, good friend of ours with us. Jim Hartz with us today. We're gonna talk to him for a little bit and then we're gonna tattoo each other. - Son of a bitch. - No, no, no, no, no. We are not tattooing each other. - You're tattooing? - I am tattooing y'all. And I might allow someone to tattoo the same on me. - All right, well, we'll have to see how that plays out. - I'll do it. If you've ever been to Julian and visited a winery called Vulcan Mountain winery, he's the guy that runs that place. Jim, how you doing? - Well, I don't run it all the time 'cause if I don't mention my brother, he's gonna get mad at me. So it's a partnership, my brother, myself. We've had Vulcan Mountain for quite a few years. - Quite a few years, how long? - We bought it in 2015. - Oh, wow. - So, yeah, it was formerly Jay Jenkins' winery. - Jay Jenkins. - Yeah, Jim Jenkins was a good friend and his winery was for sale and unfortunately he had cancer and passed away shortly after we bought it. - That's right next to that apple place, right? That apple orchard? - Apple orchard, Roger Hitchcock's. - Roger Hitchcock. - The radio guy. - The radio guy, yes, yes, our neighbor next door. And then there's another winery down the road, Mangini. And then there's another one behind it. So we have three little wineries right there on the corner there. - What's behind you? - Strong sellers. - Okay, oh, I didn't, okay. - Yeah, he does ciders in wine as well. - I don't. - Did you buy in the winery get you into winemaking? Or were you a winemaker before? - No, I've been making wine for many years, yeah. - Oh, okay. - What if my family had heart winery in Temecula for my dad opened it in 1980 and I was a winemaker there for about 10 years and then I also made wine out of Malago Farm for years out here in Ramona. So Temecula we know now is a big wine region in the 80s. Was your dad one of the ones that like kind of established that up and coming? Kind of thing? - He was, he was one of the pioneers. We were the fourth, fourth or fifth winery, depending on who you ask. He would say fifth winery in Temecula. Now there's like 50 up there. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, there's a lot of wineries up in Temecula now. - Yeah. - So when did you actually start making wine yourself? - Like, well, I actually made wine as a little kid in the garage, you know, we all got the grapes. Man, my buddies would write up their family. - It's like a South Carolina thing. I was making news. Shout out to Tom. - Well, I'm gonna say, how old is a little kid? Like eight, 13? - I think we were like 12 of my, the neighbor kids and we had this little grapevine that grew up in Stu. We called the grapevine market. And so I remember going up there with my brothers, my younger brothers and a couple other neighbor kids and we got these grapes and we crushed them up and put them in a big peanut butter jar and left them under the sink. I don't think we intended to make wine, but it turned into wine. - Okay. - And we tasted it. It was pretty gnarly, but you know, whatever. - This is Kirby getting drunk at three-story all over again. (laughing) - That was gin. (laughing) - And it took a great nap for my granny afterwards. - Yes, it was all out of love. - So now I understand you're a, you're like a wine, like greater or a tester or what? - A wine judge. I've done quite a bit of judging. Actually my dad got into that. He was really well respected in the wine business and judged all over Southern California and you know, he invited me to judge. And then once you get in this kind of like wine judging fraternity, there you are. And so I've judged in Riverside, LA County, well that's one of the biggest ones in the state. I judged the San Diego County several competitions and I used to judge in Mexico. There's a pretty good sized international wine competition. It's held down, it's not every year. So that was my favorite. Yeah, they put you up down in a hotel and my Spanish isn't that good. So I just nod and wave and (laughing) but got to drink lots of good wine and kill her food down in Baja. - Oh, yeah. - In the Guadalupe Valley. - In the Guadalupe, yeah. - The Guadalupe, yeah. - It's a, if you haven't been down there, highly recommended, it's wonderful. - Oh yeah, right on. - Now you guys became pretty good friends through music though. - Oh yeah. - Because you guys would go back and forth on music all the time. - Absolutely, dude. - You're in there. - Yeah. - All right, so we've always, pretty much every show my thing is, who's your favorite? Who's your favorite musician? I know you like towns of Anzan. - Yes, yeah. Big time fan, yeah. - But for country wise, for like outlaw country, who would be, you know, they title George. - It's not outlaw, he's just, they call him the king of country, so who would your king of country? - Well they title George straight king of countries, but that's not my opinion. - I was listening earlier, and I've changed it, 'cause I think we were talking about this in the patio, pommel, and my girlfriend owns Pommel Valley Winery, and we were talking back and forth, and I was kind of going with Johnny Cash, but then I talked to Jen when I got home, and I was like, you know, the best concert I ever went to was Willie Nelson at the Hollywood Bowl last year, at his 90th birthday, and it was just amazing. - You went to that? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, shit. - Yeah, it was awesome. - Oh yeah. - So if you ever been to the Hollywood Bowl for a concert, it was just crazy fun. It was the best concert I ever went to. I think it was partly because we had just a wonderful strange, one of those bizarre, perfect nights where everything goes right, but the music was just amazing, and all the support Willie had, and all his family, it was just an amazing show. - That's killer. - So I think Willie can be up there. - Willie. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't disagree. - I think he's carried his own for a long time. - He's carried his own for a long time. - As we talked about his guitar and all that stuff. - Then I said, "Johnny Cash," and I'm like, that guy was around for so long, and he influenced so many different kinds of music. And, you know, I mean-- - Yeah, he pretty much did the rockability. - Yeah, yeah. And that's kind of where I got into country is more from the rockability side, 'cause I was into like, I don't know if you've ever heard of the blasters, LA band that was kind of a rockability band. You ever heard of him? Eric? - Blasters. - Oh man, you gotta play some blasters sometime. - Oh yeah dude, woke up, woke up some blasters. - It's Dave Alvin and his brother Phil Alvin. There was a, it was a LA, kind of a, came out of the punk scene, but they're more rockability. - Oh yeah, okay. - Yeah. - Rockability. - There you go. - I like it already. We should go some to this. - Let's hear it. - We're gonna listen to this. 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A dark night. ♪ You're a kerosene ♪ ♪ You weren't your mama's only boy ♪ ♪ But her favorite one, it seems ♪ ♪ She began to cry when you said goodbye ♪ ♪ Sankin' to your dreams ♪ ♪ Well, Pancho was a bandit boy's ♪ ♪ His horse was fast, his polished steel ♪ ♪ The war's gone outside his pants ♪ ♪ For all the honest world to feel ♪ ♪ But Pancho made his match, you know ♪ ♪ On the desert standin' Mexico ♪ ♪ And nobody heard his dying words ♪ ♪ Oh, but that's the way it goes ♪ ♪ And all the fit are all they say ♪ ♪ They could've had him any day ♪ ♪ And they only let him hang around ♪ ♪ A lot of kindness I suppose ♪ ♪ And lefty he can't sing the blues ♪ ♪ All night long like he used to ♪ ♪ But Pancho bit down south ♪ ♪ And dead up in lefty's mouth ♪ ♪ The day they laid for Pancho low ♪ ♪ Lefty split for Ohio ♪ ♪ Where he got the bread to go ♪ ♪ All they ain't nobody knows ♪ ♪ And all the fit are all they say ♪ ♪ They could've had him any day ♪ ♪ They only let him slip away ♪ ♪ Out of kindness I suppose ♪ ♪ Well the poets tell how Pancho fell ♪ ♪ And lefty's livin' in a cheap hotel ♪ ♪ The desert's quiet and Cleveland's cold ♪ ♪ So the story ends we're told ♪ ♪ Pancho needs your prayers ♪ ♪ It's true, he'll save a few for lefty too ♪ ♪ He just did what he had to do ♪ ♪ And now he's growin' old ♪ ♪ A few grave federales say ♪ ♪ They could've had him any day ♪ ♪ They only let him go so wrong ♪ ♪ Out of kindness I suppose ♪ ♪ A few grave federales say ♪ ♪ They could've had him any day ♪ ♪ They only let him go so wrong ♪ ♪ Out of kindness I suppose ♪ - Well, town's Van Zant. - Town's Van Zant, there you go. - That was a crazy, you know, I've never heard that version before, I've always only heard the Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard version of that. - Same, but I like that. - But we were talkin' during the break, you said this to the original though. - That town's wrote the song. Yeah, Willie Nelson just, they just covered it, and I think it's what kind of towns became more well-known because of the Willie Nelson version, but I've always liked that. The Willie Nelson one has kind of like, I don't know, it just doesn't have the same rhythm that the original does. - No, here's, this is the first time I ever heard of town's Van Zant as Chloe was playing it pommel, and she sang it, and she sings this version, I guess, and you were like, oh, she sings the town's Van Zant version of the song, I really like it, and I went and looked him up and I had never heard of him. - He has some really great songs, some great love songs, just some people say he's the greatest songwriter of all time, I don't know about that, but he's got some lyrics that are just really, really good. I've always tried to get Travis to learn some town songs and he's like, oh, yeah, that's crazy. I was thinking of Honey Van Zant from Leonard Scatter. (laughing) When you hear Van Zant, right, that's what I think of. - No relation though. - No relation though. - I don't, not that I know, I don't think so. Town's Van Zant's from Texas, I believe, and he's just one of those, you know, barroom musicians that traveled around with his guitar, and there's all kinds of town's Van Zant stories, but. - Very crazy. - Yeah. - That's cool, man, they're very cool. All right, so you've been around the world. I've been around, well, I've been around the world. I've been, yeah, I've been in lots of places. - Many places up on the globe. - I'm on the globe. - Italy and France and all over the U.S. - When you go to these other countries, do you go to the wineries and stuff and you're like, "Oh, yeah, yeah." Tastes them out. What's the craziest trip you've been? - You know, one of the things with being a winemaker, you get wind out, you're a little wind geeked out, so you just, a lot of people want to go on these wine trips. We went on a wine-themed cruise a few years ago that was all over the Mediterranean in Italy and France. It was just amazing. And ended up in Italy and drove to the end of Italy in a rental car with my wife, who's now passed away a couple of years ago, and my brother and his girlfriend, and it was fun, but driving through Italy in a rental car. - So you went all over. - 11 days is about five days too long. - Driving through Italy any time the car is terrifying. - Like when I see Italy, I see a boot. You went all the way from the top of the boot all the way down? - We started with a car, we started in Rome, and we drove to, actually, the heel of the boot. The last city we were in was called Barrie, and it's right on the heel. So, yeah, and Italy, it's like, it changes. The northern part of Italy is pretty prosperous, but we need it down in the southern part of Italy. It's pretty gritty, man. - It's all mafia, so stuff happening. - Yeah, like, what's the music like in Italy? 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