This is the Alien UFO podcast episode 159 and I'm your host Simon Voun and you can enjoy the extended version of this episode at free along with over 140 hours of extended episodes on Patreon. This week I'm talking to Carter Bushhart about his book Baptized by Abduction. Carter was taken aboard a spacecraft with a friend of his at the age of 8 or 9 but he didn't recall this until the memory spontaneously appeared during a past life regression. This led Carter to do more regressions and recover other ET encounters. Hi Carter, thanks a lot for coming on the podcast. Thanks for having me, Simon. It's great to be here. That we're going to talk about your book, it's called Baptized by Abduction. You've had these abduction experiences but they were buried for years, weren't they? Yeah, I'm 73 now, just term 73. I found out 20 years ago that this happened. Up until then I had no idea and it was completely by accident that I even found out otherwise we wouldn't be talking. I think this is just crazy. So how did they come up? Was it that you were having dreams or was it the hypnosis session? It was hypnosis but it was a random, here's the story, my wife and I and another couple were sitting around on one Friday night, 2003 I believe it was, 2004 and we got to talking and we decided, you know, I wonder if we ever had past life. I always thought I had had a past life. I always thought I was a woman in a past life and everybody else was curious about it too. So I mean, literally I had a phone book at the time when you could still have a phone book. I looked up regression hypnotists and I found one about 40 miles away, wasn't that far? Anyway, long story short, we went, I made an appointment for the next day and drove to her studio and her studio was a barn. So it was a big barn and she had a big field where she had mowed in a walking trail, a resonating place so you could sit and get calm and meditate before you go in. So we all four went in and there was hay bales and there was chairs and tables, it was real informal and we all sat around, she recorded all our sessions, we all got tapes, we were all watching each other go under. And so my wife went first, she couldn't go under because of control issues which is common with hypnotism. And then my friend Nancy and her new husband, they both went under, he had one past life and she came up with two. So I was last and it was just really a very pedestrian but interesting thing when you're watching other people get hypnotized and so I went under, it took a while, I was fighting it, I was just kind of, I was fidgety and she couldn't figure out what was going on but she finally got me under and at that moment I started sobbing hysterically and talking in my little eight, nine year old voice and it was just, you know, I was screaming and you get off of me, get off of me, get your hands off me, what are you doing to me, what are you doing to my friend, I was just screaming all this stuff because me and my buddy, neighborhood buddy were taken, so that's how I found out. Up until this point, I had been telling a story all my life, you know, I was in sales so I was, I was always telling this story about, you know, when you're in the sales profession you want to, you know, start some new relationships and with other sales meetings and stuff like that. You know, stories, well, my story was stupid things you do as a kid that should have got you killed but didn't and so, you know, I told this story forever until 20 years ago that me and my buddy were riding our bicycles in Dallas, Texas hot summer day in July and it was right in front of my house, we were racing each other because we had brand new bikes and so we blew a stop sign. We just ran a stop sign, ran in front of my house, it was high noon on a hot summer day, nobody had no traffic, we weren't even thinking, well, there wasn't traffic, a car blew by and almost hit us, we could feel the wind, our shirts were ruffling and it was like, oh my God, we pulled over to the side of the road, we're going to have that car not hit us. I'm like, God, you know, we're afraid that my mother had seen this because, you know, she was right across street and back then women didn't work, so I was more afraid that she was going to kill us for doing something stupid about running a stop sign, not even looking. But so I told this story and it was a black Buick, I always told that story. Well, I get hypnotized and I discover it was not a black Buick. It was a blue 1951 Buick Roadmaster, big beautiful car. My grandparents had a 1951 Buick Roadmaster, I'd never seen him drive it, they had it, they lived in Houston, Texas, I lived in Dallas, Texas, I'd never seen him drive it because they were too old to drive by the time I got to know them. But the regression revealed that it was a spacecraft and it was, and here's the irony of it, then you can ask me some questions, but about two months before we decided to go on this hypnotist thing where we decided to see if we had past lives, my wife and I bought a 1951 Buick out of Chicago, Illinois, and it shipped to our house so we could restory. And so once, sometimes I get teary when I talk about this, but once I found out that my attraction to the 51 Buick was a screen memory put in my head by the aliens to make me forget what I really saw, which was a spacecraft which I did finally come to see it in future hypnotic sessions, I've had seven and so that's how clever they are, they obliterated my memory of that event by seeing the spacecraft, I replaced the spacecraft with the vision of my grandparents, the blue 51 Buick Roadmaster, just bizarre. And the weird thing about it was you couldn't work out what had happened because it seemed to you that that car should have hit you, and it was almost like you just passed right through it as though it wasn't there. Yeah, well, that's the perfect segue to this statement. We went inside the craft. We were teleported or whatever you want to call it. We, after we were sitting there talking to each other, dusting ourselves off, wondering how did that car miss us, through hypnosis, I found out they absorbed us. We went through the body of the craft on our bicycles. We were both on our bicycles in the spacecraft and they took him to another area and I was sitting kind of where I was because I was just dumbfounded and they took him to another area and started doing things, working on it, doing things with his neck and arms and face and eyes and stuff, and that's why I was screaming because he was screaming bloody murder, and I was watching this going, holy crap, I'm next, I don't want this. And so, you know, I started screaming and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I really don't remember that much after that, but they were doing a lot of things to him and they eventually did them to me as well. And you say that Craig was taken, since he was the primary target, was it that you just happened to be there? Yeah, actually, I was collateral damage and the ET's told me that as much, because you know, if you know anything about hypnosis, you're talking to your deep, deep subconscious that knows everything that Carter or Simon has ever done, or I'm talking and the aliens are talking directly to me through my subconscious, which is through the hypnotist. So but I was collateral damage. I mean, Craig had been taken many, many times and I just happened to be with him on this particular day. And when they took us, and here's the ironic part, I don't think it's all ironic, but I was born September 16, 1951, so was Craig, exact birthday down to the day. There was another kid in my neighborhood, Gordon, who we spent a lot of time at this little creek and lake hunting and, you know, catching animals and snakes and turtles, just you know, I've been kids, you know, and we were in Boy Scouts together. We did a lot of things together. I mentioned his name several times while I was under regression. And guess when his birthday was September 16, 1951? So if you're a scientist and you're doing some controlled experiments or what have you, you know, nothing beats having identical lab rats, which we were, you know, so all three boys, eight, nine years old, born September 16, 1951, we were all nine or ten or eight or nine at the exact same time. And so what better, I mean, if you're a scientist, that's the perfect one of the perfect, you know, test and controlled sessions is to have everything is depending on what you're looking for, exact same species, exact same age, same weight, same height, virtually identical. But you had other memories, didn't you? Was the one you were in bed and you saw these shadows coming down the hall? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the lady here was that this is the first time I now had an answer to what those things were that I was always seeing when I was a kid in my house, I slept in a bunk bed. I slept on the top of my younger brother slept below me. And every now and then I wake up in the middle of the night, I would see, I'd hear something, I'd see shadows and if I'm looking out my door from the end of my bed, my parents bedroom was to the right down the hall and then to the left was the living room kitchen and all that. I would see these little grays. I called them robots at the time because I didn't know any better, little about three or four foot and it looked like they were walking downstairs or on an escalator because they slowly were going downward as they passed my bedroom. And I had this, it's not a dream, but I thought it was a dream. I had this dream many, many times and I can't go, well, that is so weird, what is that? You know, eight or nine year old kid, your attention span is about 12 seconds. So I didn't think about it too long, you know, but as I got older, I can't remember it. The grays were coming from my parents bedroom to turn them off. So they did not hear or see anything, they were out. And so they came down to my room and then took me. So I only so far, I've been, I've been regressed seven times so far, I only remember about oh a dozen or so, but I know there's many, many more times I was taken, you know. But they did, they put screen memories in me. So in my bedroom, we had a bunk bed, two dressers and a little desk, but somehow there was a rocking chair during this event, a giant rocking chair, which I now have in our house. My grandmother was, I always had this dream, I'll go back a little bit, I always had a dream also about the gray little gray robots, about Aunt Jemima sitting in a rocking chair in my bedroom as a kid. Well number one, there's no room for a rocking chair in this rocking chair that I now have. And the one I saw in the green memory when I was being taken was my grandparents rocking chair. And it's an, it's an exact duplicate of the rocking chair that JFK our president said on the White House rocking chair, but they had her, it was her face, it was her, her, she had glasses and she had gray hair and she wasn't wearing a dew rag, if you're familiar with Aunt Jemima, the syrup and the pancake batter, she was a black lady. But when I made a move, she would make a move. When I laid back down, she would tilt back in the rocking chair and if I sat forward, she would sit forward. And it was meant for me to think that was Aunt Jemima, but it was a really, it was a really crappy version because Aunt Jemima didn't wear glasses. This lady had glasses and it looked exactly like my grammar is my grammar, they had gray hair, Aunt Jemima has black hair. So the screen memory they gave was, I would say off the cover improv, they got a close but it wasn't exactly correct. So I would keep seeing these things and I was wondering during my life, you know, all during my life, you know, up until 20 years ago, I wonder what that was. I wonder if, you know, if I'm suppressing some of the memories or some of the weird family stuff. And so they obliterated my memory with a lot of screen memories. When you saw Aunt Jemima, did it seem like really creepy or you're just remembering it in a dream, so it doesn't seem so much. It wasn't that creepy. She was a negative, in other words, it was like I was looking at a negative of a black and white photograph, everything was reversed, negative. So there was no real fear. I was just, it was familiar because it was my grandmother or a semblance of her. The car belonged to my grandparent. So there was never, you know, fear because they were known objects which divert your attention from what really happened. You know, I'm sure your audience understands what, you know, the screen memories are. So they just obliterated it, you know, with other memories of things I could relate to. And you know how that works, the minute you take your eye off whatever you're thinking might have happened and look at the screen memory, boom, you're easily diverted and you're on to something that you know really probably was. Like if you see a gray and ET with a big big eye, you will remember seeing a owl or a deer or some other animal with large, large eyes and you immediately, you know, like somebody with a very short memory span, you just take a look and go, oh, look, oh, okay, that's what it was. No, no, my grandmother was a dude, that's stupid, my Aunt Jemima wasn't there, that was ridiculous. You know, alien, no, I probably saw an owl, you know, and so your mind is happy and you go on about your day. So yeah, I had all kinds of screen memories that, you know, obviously did what was really going on. So do you think Aunt Jemima, so it was an actually a gray that was in your room, watching over you for some reason, but do you think it was like guarding in case you did something? Like maybe they took your brother or your parents and it was just there to keep everything cool. Yeah, no, they didn't take what anybody else that I know of, but what happened was she was in a negative, so it was black and white and it was calming in this gray, this screen memory of the gray, the gray that was really in the room was a six foot gray, the classic tall gray and they had their little robot drones and grays doing all the dirty work and stuff. So that screen memory of my grandmother was replacing the six foot tall gray alien that was in my room, that came to take me. And is it after the hypnosis, you drew a picture of an alien and sent it to the hypnotist? Yeah, the first hypnotist and I wish I could find it and I can't. She and I have become friends, but she's lost it a long ago, it was 20 years ago. I drew a reptilian, beautiful drawing, I'm not really a good artist, but I had the greens and the reds and the silvers and the golds and I had all the colors, it was really beautiful. And I scanned it and emailed it to her. And when she saw it, she was kind of freaked out because here's the deal. I was, my wife and I and the other couple were probably the fourth or fifth customers she had ever had. She had just gotten her hypnotist paperwork, she was just now allowed to be a hypnotist. So she had no idea what to do when her third or fourth customer comes in and starts screaming and yelling that he's been abducted by aliens and get me out of here and she had no idea what to do. And so she told me that when I sent her that picture, she said, "I think you need to find somebody else." Since then, she has gone heavy, heavy, heavy into the research. She knows exactly what's going on, but that was the first time that she had been exposed to that. And the first time for me too, so we both got our baptism right there together. Kind of funny. You say that you had a paper route and there were hints of something happening. What were the hints? Well, during the numerous regressions, my paper route came up and I had a paper route. I was up at three in the morning, three thirty every morning. Remember, I'm an eight or nine year old kid and I'm throwing a paper out of it all by myself, driving around my neighborhood, about three streetsward. They dropped the newspapers off in front of my house, they'd go outside early, cut them open, band them up, put them on my desk and start my bike and start my route. And I do not know, I don't recall any abduction on my route, but I brought it up many times when I was under. I said I had no conscious memory of it, like the car I was hitting is an inch of my bedroom. Those were memories I had of real things going on, but they were obscured. The paper route thing, I have no memory of anything, doesn't mean it didn't happen. You've got a nineteen year old kid, three or four o'clock in the morning, riding around around the neighborhood all by himself on the bike. I was pretty much, "Bate, come get me, what are you going to do? What am I going to do?" I had no memory until the podcast, so that's the hypnotist. So that's, I'm sure it was referenced, I'm sure I was taken on my paper route, and that's the one thing I'm considering doing is going back to a regressionist and getting ten or fifteen questions I can ask, because they did visit me here at my house in Liberty, Missouri, 2022 or 2023, I don't remember, I remember, my wife remembers nothing, but I saw the whole thing, and that was another incredible story. She thought I was just lucid dreaming, because she didn't see anything, you know, if I didn't see it, it didn't happen, so well, I don't think it did, but anyway. So you do say that you've had weirdness in your life since the age of seven or eight, and some of these things were kind of a gentle shoulder taps, and easy to miss. So what are these other little weird things? Well, let me see, well, we have a lot of strange things going on at home here, but you know, we were taken, Craig and I were taken at this pond we used to fish at, many times. We would see craft or aliens up in the tree or up above the tree, and we just stared at them. We did nothing, you know, because we were out, I think we were turned off by then, but one of the screen memories they gave me of us hunting and fishing together was I, we had a tree that we fished under all almost all the time. We had a tree is on the castle, it's pond, cute little pond, you know, bullfrogs, lilypads, the whole thing, you know, hallmark moment type of little setting, and we fished here all the time. So, one of the screen memories that I always had, just like the Blue Buick, and just like the Great Robots, was me casting a line into the pond, and I would hook Craig in the sight of his neck, and he was screaming and yelling at me, and I kept pulling and pulling and I turned around and I could see my hook in his neck, and I was pulling his neck skin, and he was screaming, and you know, but that never happened. What that was, was the screen memory for me to forget what I saw them doing to him on the craft, and it was the same thing they probably did to me. And so, there was just little things that you know, crept in, and you know, some things they, you know, I can't really say they were UFO related, but there's other things that, you know, we have since, you know, now I'm a, I'll go back a little bit, I'm a, a cryptid researcher, I've written four taskwatch books, I specialize in habituation of property for the taskwatch or living on properties with humans, and that had come up in the hypnotist sessions as well, that they were aware that I was doing that. But the things that are happening here at the house, since I have a contact and a communication of sorts with the taskwatch people, I do not know what might be them, and what might be the ET, you know, knocking on the door, someone calling my name, and I don't think these are really poltergeisty or paranormal ghost type things, I mean, they could be, but they all seem related to the ET and my research into taskwatch. Can't tell you how it's just something I know, because why would all this, this all started, you know, about five years ago, and it continues to this day, yeah, in fact, I have a four page document I keep now, it's called strangeness at home every time something weird happens, I write it down on a word document. Because, you know, the wordness has spiked since I came out with this revelation, it's just, you know, now they feel like we can tap on his shoulder, we can knock on his head while he's watching TV, we can knock a lamp off, we can turn the electricity on and off a couple of times while he's sitting there, you know, a lot of bizarre things. And again, some of it does sound poltergeisty or, you know, ghost-like spirit-like, but with all the other stuff I've had going on in my past, I can't, I can't rule out that they're giving me a little shoulder taps here and there just to let me know if they're still around. You come across incidents where Sasquatch and UFOs have been seen at the same time. Yeah, I've got several of my witnesses in my books will see a Sasquatch right before or right after a UFO event or they will see a UFO right before or right after a Sasquatch event. It's bizarre and whether they can morph into orbs which many, many think and I think they can too, they come into a physical form after coming in on an orb from another dimension or what have you. Of course, that's all their speculation now, as you probably know, but, you know, I have a guy in my book, New England area, he had six hours of missing time when a Sasquatch started walking toward him and his dog on his property, he's building a new cabin. Long story short, I'm gonna give a whole back story, but he was remodeling his house and so the electricity was off so he saw this being coming at us by 1139, there's floodlights on the property because he's working on the house and so it's walking right at him and his dog, by the way, was a 130-pound German Shepherd guard dog, I can't remember how much he said he spent on it, but he massively expensive and this was a trained attack dog. The dog just stood there and stared at the Sasquatch, did nothing. It was like frozen and so my guy said, "Well, I'm out of here." So him and the dog ran to a travel trailer that he keeps on his property, he was living in the property and he was living in the travel trailer while he was remodeling his house. And so he ran into there, this creature was still walking at him and kept looking back and it was still walking. It was a running after him, it was a charging after him. He was just walking, a leisurely pace, but coming right at him and so he got in, barricaded himself, realized he didn't carry a pistol with him, so he dug around in the kitchen and found a butcher knife and so him and the dog barricaded himself in the bathroom of this little camper trailer. If you know how big a bathroom is, it's about three by three or four by four, it ain't big. And he put his foot against the door, the dog was leaning up next to him, he had this butcher knife, he was holding the knife straight out from him, he was ready for the being, he was banging on the walls and walking around and banging on the windows of the door and banging on the walls of the cam and outside of the trailer. He knew he was coming into getting, this is about 11.30 at night. He wakes up at 5.30 in the morning, same position, dog is asleep sitting down, which dogs do not do. And this was in a trained, this was a trained attack dog. He was in the same position, he was completely refreshed, he did not feel like he was sitting there for seven hours or six hours overnight with the knife in a tense situation, his leg, he felt like it had just happened. But what woke him up, it's 7, 6.37 o'clock was the workers showing up to work the next day. And he heard that and he woke up, he was refreshed, he walked out with the dog and the dog was still comatose. He was like, they turned him off, like they turned my parents off, because it's an attack dog, it's like a stash watch door like dogs. So he had six hours of missing time and he does not really want to find out if he had like a Travis Walton experience. He doesn't want to know, he's boring, pretty well off executive, he doesn't do a lot of weird stuff. He's like a boring life, stay out of the life life, he's got a very, very successful company, he ain't hurting for money any way he should perform, he just wants to know, he doesn't want to find out. And I tried to talk him into it, he said, I just don't want to do it. And so what do you do with that? And here's something, this is why this is a whole nother like shoulder tap. I did a show last year a paranormal conference and the person next to me and my booth, his booth, was Travis Walton. We sat and talked for hours and he said, what are you waiting for? I told him about what happened to me and I hadn't written a book and done anything about it. He said, what the heck are you waiting for man? Those people sitting all over the place on the planet that are having these experiences and they need to know that other people are having them so they can come forward and tell everybody that's how we get the government to admit what's going on. And so I said, I got nothing. I'm going to go home and write a book and that's what I did. I took my, I think I had nine cassette tapes of all my sessions and he was the inspiration to do it, you know, because he'd get off your butt and do it because they sat in my closet for 20 years. I didn't do anything with them that I don't really know why, probably a fray, but what I was going to find out. I think you're saying the book that you remembered more than you should have and this caused the ETS, a conundrum of sorts. Yeah, the ETS, they have a sense of humor. It was actually quite a funny, you know. Every now and then when they're talking to me, I will describe an event like the time they had to replace my implant, because one of the implants they shoved up my nose failed so they had to come back and get me to replace it. And the ETS goes, how did you remember that? You're not supposed to remember that. Or how do you know that really happened? And they kept saying that to me, I said, well, you know, this happened to me 60 years ago, guys, whatever screen memory you gave me is worn off. I'm starting to catch you now. So you need to work on your screen memory efforts because this stuff's starting to wear off because I'm starting to recall things. So that's how that happened. But they kept telling me, or they would say things like, they would be really sarcastic and evasive, they'll say like, well, if you remember that, it probably happened. Or well, if you say that happened, if you have no questions, you could be correct. They would never come out and say, yes. They always be vague, kind of like politicians, you know, say one thing and mean another. It was kind of funny. You mentioned the nosebleed there and some kind of implant. Can you tell us that story? What happened there? Yeah. I had all these nosebleeds as a kid, not horrific, but a couple of them were pretty good gushers. But one day, I think it was about 13 years old, and I don't know when they were inserted, but prior to me being at 13, I think it probably happened when they first got me. They, my nose was bleeding like crazy. I was standing out in the front yard. My mom was out there doing some gardening or something, and all of a sudden, I was wearing a checkered shirt and this blood was just coming out of my left nostril. It was really like flowing, like a cut vein artery or something. And so I kind of reached into my nose and was pulling, trying to pull something out because I could feel something there, and I pulled out what seemed like what I thought was about an 11 or 12 inch booger or it looked more like a blood vessel. And once I pulled that out, there was one little more gushion blood, then it stopped. And so, but they, they came back that gray alien that was a screen memory by my grandmother in the rocking chair was the one that came back and put another one in. They told me that. And is that the ETU call the outer limits, alien? No, the outer limits, alien, do you remember that show? Yeah. Yeah. Victoria, who played the, I'm trying to remember the, the blonde, he was a, the man from uncle. It was you're your karaoke. Yeah. That was the character. Yeah. He was the ball in that TV show. He played in the outer limits, and he was the big headed alien with the veins just bulging out of his head. He wore the white outfit, if you ever look at an outer limits television show, or the invaders, I can't remember which one now, but he was in that show. And I saw him probably more than any of the other alien faces, I remember was that one. I do remember a alien face and they would not show me what they looked like. He looked exactly like Salvador Dali, when he told me, you would not understand or comprehend what I looked like. So this is the face you can have to know me by, you know, I mean, he was exactly, he had the little flipped up mustache, you know, the little curly Q mustache and yeah, the monocle and black hair and kind of skinny. But it wasn't, it wasn't Salvador Dali, obviously it was an alien taking that form. So I would be comfortable with looking at it because he said, I just couldn't, you and other humans would not understand and could not comprehend. Didn't he tell you that you were his assignment? Yes, I was, I was an assignment. And that was the other thing is that I was tested for hybridization, as was my friend Craig, I'm certain. And so I mentioned many other kids in my neighborhood, because I kept getting confused about who is with me, Craig, who I'm certain was with me on several occasions, because he's the reason I was taken. Gordon, I mentioned a buddy named Robert, I mentioned a guy named Billy and Johnny or all my neighborhood friends and I would throw their names in there as somebody I was with. But I don't know that I was really the only, those are the names, but the face I remember was Craig. So I don't know if they were just throwing other names out there for me to throw in there, to confuse me about what really happened, or what, I don't know, but we spent a lot of time together about five or six hundred, we'd play guns or army as you call it, or just go build a fort out in a field and just throw dirt clogs at each other, just do stupid kid stuff, but yeah, I was the, this is what they called what they were doing to me. They called the hybridization, they called it melding or meshing of the two species because a specific term, melding or meshing, not hybridization. I don't even know if that war was around back then, you know, 1950s, could be. But so that's what they were, they were testing me for compatibility. And I, you know, there are questions about that I have is that was I hybridized, you know, I'm quite certain they took my DNA and crags and you know, I was taken off planet. I mean, just, but yeah, it was just, it was a flurry of activity, you know, my childhood was not what I thought it was, just put it that way. This test for hybridization, was that when you were in that kind of cocoon, was there something touching your head? Yeah, they, many times I was in there, I was laying on a, a table or a bench or something. I don't even remember if I was strapped down or not. But the one time that I was panicking, they had me in a pod or cocoon. It was kind of this, it was just like being in a giant bean pod, but it was transparent. I could see out of it and I could see what they were doing to Craig, they were working on him again and he was screaming bloody murder. And I started freaking out, I said, you'd get me out of this, you blanky, blanky, get me out of here. I would, you're not going to do that to me, get me out of here, get me out of here. And I was screaming and howling and banging around trying to rip this thing and I couldn't get it open. And I was standing up, so my arms and everything were really kind of pinned to my side, you know, and so they got tired of me screaming and yelling and they're afraid I was probably going to hurt myself. I don't know why. But that's the first time I ever saw a laser, they pulled out some little object and it's like a red laser. It's like those little laser pins, you know, I mean, that for all practical purposes, that's what it was. You see those little laser pointer things, you can get, you just turn it on, point it at the board and we're doing a speech or whatever, it just, it cut it right down the middle and I fell out on the floor and I don't really remember what happened after that. But I got out, but I'm quite certain whatever they were going to do to me, whatever they were going to do to me, they did and I just don't have it in my memory bank yet. So was there something that was touching you and you kind of said it was feeding off your energy? There was like a, I wouldn't say it was a rod, but it was something, it wasn't a tube like stuck in a vein or anything, but there was something that was like, it's like I was wearing something around my neck like a necklace, but it was hanging on my back and I couldn't see it, but they wouldn't let me lay on my back because it was on my back. So I knew whatever it was, was doing something. So I laid on my side or laid on my stomach and I could just feel it. I don't know if it was taking DNA, if it's, here's the one thing that I've come to research a lot of, is that the, and I have no way to connect what I'm about to tell you to what was happening, but the ET's part of the reason they're here is because I are so, they don't have souls, they are so less depending on which race you're speaking of and they are really here to get our essence, they want feelings, they want emotions for their mates and offspring besides, oh, I just had a litter of puppies to see later, you know, they want some kind of connection with, and we have that in many of them do not. We've developed souls in emotions and care for our fellow man, most of us, our families of course, and that's one thing that I've been reading up on, you know, Linda Moltenhal talks out about that a lot and some others do too, they don't have a connection, an emotional connection to each other and I think that's one thing they are lacking in seeking out and I'm certain since there are thousands of years ahead of us, whatever they want out of us, they could take it and modify it and use it for their own purposes, we'll never know and it might be, it might be a good thing, it might be a good thing for them, I don't know. Again, that's hypothesis on my part because I don't know that, but there were so many things going on and as you think about it and as you listen to the tapes, you start thinking about, you know, maybe that's it, so that's how I'm compiling this list because I think I want to do this one more time, at least, it's rather expensive, you know, getting hypnotized things done, so that's kind of where I'm at with that right now, is deciding which person I want to call and be regressed, you know, and because that's kind of where I'm at with that right now. Did you say that the aliens are very, very old, I think you said that they are older than you can perceive? Yeah, they're older, his exact words were older than you can comprehend and that was one of the, when they took me to the rings of Saturn, you see, here's another tie-in, when I was a kid, I don't know about you, but you know, you can get a box of cereal and send in a couple of box tops and they send you a map or a book or something, well, I sent off a couple of box tops, Kellogg's Rice Krispies and I got me a map of the solar system and it was right next to my bed, up on the, you know, up on the second bunk and I always was looking at Saturn, I was always looking at the rest of the universe and there was no stars I always wondered, how come there's no stars, because everything I see as stars, except this map, it just had the planets and the sun, but no stars, so I was always questioning why there was no stars, so I was always questioning and I was all, I was drawn to Sasquatch and I was drawn to paranormal thing, but I had no idea why, you know, but when they took me to Saturn, they told me they were going to take me there to visit the old soul. And she said, she said, I don't know if that was psychosomatic or just a Freudian slip there, he said, well, you know, we are going to go visit the old souls because you wanted to come to Saturn. I said, well, I don't want to visit old people because they were going to leave me there, I don't want to go to Saturn and stay, I don't want to go there, I don't want to hang out with OP, you know, but they took me and I remember seeing the debris flying by me, you know, I'm like floating, I mean, it's like I'm standing there in the middle of a ring and I'm watching debris, stones, chunks of planets or asteroids, you know, weird looking stuff, parts of satellite, I would just jump, just, you know, a brick, just weird things are going by me. I said, I don't want to be here, I don't want to stay here with these people, I don't want you to think this is where I belong or want to be. And they took me back, they took me back. But they took me there, they took me to Machu Picchu, a lot of, a lot of, you know, I wish I had memories of all this. That's another reason I think I want to try to go under is find out because I have memories now of people seeing oh, this is it. On my first hypnosis, I started to jump ship here under here. My first hypnosis, I mentioned going down the steps and seeing green moss growing on the walls. It was, it was under, this was a palace or building or something underneath Machu Picchu. There is a city or a large settlement built and Machu Picchu is built on top of it, according to what I saw. And so I'm going down the steps in this green moss. I always remember that I've had memories of the green moss growing and it's kind of glistening as you go around the curve. There's a brown, oily patch of rock. Well, this is where everybody has to touch. And before you pass into this next area, you have to touch, put your fingerprint on the wall and touch it. And that's what I did. And so I went down to another level, but that's that it was oily and greasy. And I kept seeing that in my dreams. Well, now that I've been regressed, I know that it was not just a dream. They would took me to Machu Picchu and they took me to a city built below there that nobody knows about or most people don't know about it. The public doesn't know. And they, they took me there to show me. I don't remember what they showed me, but they, they took me there. You know, when I went around the corner where the stone, it was the stone you had to touch, I don't remember anything after that. So that's one of my mysteries I need to unlock. Well, it's been great talking to you. The book is called baptized by abduction and people can get that on Amazon, can't they? Yeah, you can get it on Amazon in a Kindle version. I'm self published. So I sell all my books, hard, hard books out of my house because it's cheaper than, you know, than Amazon, you know. So, but you can order the books from me at S, you can email me, let's do it this way, you can email me at sq explorer@gmail.com. I respond to all the emails and so I sell the books on PayPal. That's, that's how I get them financed and funded is PayPal. A lot of people just mail me checks, but you know, Sq explorer@gmail.com is how you can contact me by email us in julink and get a book sent to you. Well, thanks again for coming on the podcast. I'm enjoying it Simon. Anytime, if you ever want to do a sesquatch podcast, I'm your guy. That was an interview with Carter Bushhart about his book, baptized by abduction. Great way to support the podcast is to sign up on Patreon where you can get exclusive access to the extended version of this episode. Just go to patreon.com/alienufopodcast. When you sign up, you get access to the episodes in the back catalogue and they are ad-free and are released two days before the free versions. 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