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AEW Dynamite Review | Beach Break!

What did you think of AEW Dynamite's Beach Break? In this episode of All Elite Talk, the AEW Fan Hub podcast team shares their thoughts about the summer event. Topics include:

MJF's heel turn
The return of Hangman Adam Page
Britt Baker confronts Mercedes Mone
Will Ospreay leaves the Don Callis Family
The Learning Tree, and its mixed reception

Duration:: 59m
Broadcast on:: 04 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

It's Wednesday, you know what that means, it's time for all the talk with the AEW Fan Hub podcasting, beach break from AEW Dynamite, let's talk about it, this is Kelson. This is Alex and we had kind of a miserable last hour and I don't say miserable in a bad way, I mean miserable in the best possible way, yeah, I had a smile on my face, but kind of inversely related to the scowl on Hang Man out of Page, which we won't talk about him right away, but yeah, let's talk about with the Will Osprey vs Daniel Garcia match, followed by which I thought was great, the turn of MJF, he managed to get booed heavily by the crowd, which I thought was amazing and yeah, I just love this, he was all bloody, he dumped trash on the audience, I think he might have spit on a fan, he knocked a fan's phone out of their hands, it was incredible, I loved it. Yeah, well, I'm interested to hear what other people think too, so let's explore this one. I'm not so sure it's a turn, it's more of a return of the original MJF, more so than a turn for him because he's always been the scumbag, he just went over the top tonight. Well, he came back and he was definitely playing almost too much the face role, like he's got his little jacket and his t-shirts and taglines and stuff, and it didn't feel right, and now we understand why, it was just all a ruse. It really fit in with the whole, okay, anytime anyone either joins AEW or comes back from an extended break, they're always a face at first, there's at least a week or two for everyone to get their happiness out. And then we'll talk about later presumably, like we're seeing with Mercedes, like we're seeing with MJF, when the turn happens it's like, yes, thank you, this is emotionally devastating and I love it. Well, you know, I wanted to ask you, Seth, do you think that AEW has too many heels right now when you think about it, just think about all the heels and the men's division, but specifically even think about how many heels are in the women's division, just touching on that, are there too many heels? For the men's division, I don't think so, I think there's not a lot of straight up faces, but there's a lot of tweeners. Right, yeah. And so you have that flexibility with the women though. It's all heel division, there's like three faces. Yeah, it's like Willow and. But Tony's kind of a baby face now and same with Mariah. This is true. This is true. Mariah is definitely a face. I don't know what TK's fascination is with heels because you can't have a company work and have it work well if you've got 90% of it being heels. You don't have any competition that way. Daniel Garcia will, Osprey's clearly a baby face swerve, the top champion, he's a baby face. I wouldn't say he's a face. I taste more of a tweener. Yeah, I'd say he's a tweener too. Garcia, I guess you could call him a face, but oh, he's definitely a face, especially after this. He might be the only one that's a true face in the, in the, in the, we'll, we'll, we'll Osprey though. Yeah, we'll. We'll. We'll be in. Especially after tonight when he, you know, left to Don Callis family. But hey, let's get back to the, yeah, orange, Kylo Riley, Mark Briscoe, all faces. Let's get back to the match and, and the aftermath of the match. Who hasn't expressed their opinion on this yet? I haven't, but I, I thought it was great. I like MJF bad. So I, I thought it was really good. And I think it's going to put Daniel Garcia way over into a position he wasn't in before. I think this is the, the turn where Daniel Garcia starts to be taken very seriously. Yeah. Once he gets out of his coma, he's going to start kicking some ass. Yeah. Once he comes back from his coma, I think he's going to, you know, he's going to be on a whole new level of, of competition and, you know, he's going to have some goals. I, I think maybe he'll go for a belt at some point within like the next year and really take, really be taken seriously. So hopefully we won't get tired of him and they'll start put, they won't start putting them on TV every week, like a certain someone else. But I don't know, well, are we all in agreement that we're looking at not Daniel Garcia and MJF at Wembley, but Osprey and MJF at Wembley now. Very much so. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm telling you, that didn't make much sense. That was kind of weak. Mm hmm. Yeah. You know, it was good. They were just needing it tonight. It was just for tonight. Right. The speculation that I had been seeing is that, you know, this was obviously building up to an MJF Osprey feud. And I agreed with that, but a bunch of people were like, Oh, MJF is going to cost Osprey the belt. And that's going to be what's going to cause them to feud. I much prefer now that we are really, you know, all in, no pun intended on face Osprey that Osprey is, you know, defending the little guys. And he's, you know, he is dealing with the whole, Hey, I almost cheated because of Callis being a horrible person. And it cost me the win. And Garcia is very much like he's seeing himself in Garcia in terms of both the physicality. I loved the intensity of this match. And in terms of having that same choice and making that same choice to not cheat and to win clean. And yeah, it cost them both the win, but they kept the moral victory. And he's Osprey is kind of on an anti bat guy kick right now, at least in terms of Callis and now MJF, I'm excited to see how this feud continues. I think it could, it could have a chance to be amazing. I just, they need to, they need to take care with it. And I think they will cause both MJF and Osprey are pretty good character guys. Well, when MJF came back, there was talk about having MJF starting up a new faction. So now that he's heel, because let's face it, there weren't enough baby faces to make a faction, now that he's heel, he can start up a faction again, I don't want to see him leading a faction of, I don't like to put it this way, but I am going to nobody's. I want to see it to be a dominant faction, sort of like something like the elite, but then you have two heel factions with all the belts, you know what I mean? So that's why I kind of don't like this. I think that they needed MJF to be a baby face to counter the elite with a faction because there's nobody that I would rather see lead a faction than MJF as far as a baby face faction to go against the elite. So let's see here, if Hangman is not going to be the fifth for Blood and Guts, is there a chance that MJF now steps in and so do you never know? I think MJF is going to run on his own. I don't see him teaming up with anybody. I really don't. I think they're going to leave it as it is, let it go through all in, have the battle between him and Osprey and not have him be in a faction until maybe after that. Okay, so it's settled then. No MJF of Blood and Guts, so that just leaves Murder Grandpa. Okay, so now we know the team for the elite. So now we got to fill out the EMAEW. If Swerve will be part of it and Hangman will join just because of that, I think. Yeah, that's the only way I see Hangman kind of going back on his word there because again, the Swerve Hangman thing is going to continue for a while and I'm so happy. All right, well, let's move on. I'm going to move on to kind of like two at once because we had the learning tree come out, Chris Jericho with the Bad Apple and the Redwood and I didn't watch it, so I turned a channel. I didn't see what he said, but there we had the Decage of Agony against Shabbatah, Hook and Mojo, which I don't really know what was going on because I watch it with the South Dot because Chris, I just cannot stomach Chris Jericho anymore. I think it is something good this time. You know what, go back and listen to our podcast every time I say I did not watch Chris Jericho. Somebody says, you know what, you missed something great this time. It was actually really good. So what do I do like a blithering idiot? I go back and I do watch it and I'm like that sucked ass. Yeah, it was just funny. He had that executive order to Bantaz. I'll tell you a little bit. Yeah, so there was like three digs at punk that I've noticed in this particular stretch of him talking. Just getting someone banned from the building, then getting mad at someone for stealing a finisher when we all know the whole go to sleep thing. And finally, oh shoot, I forgot what the third thing was, but there was a third thing. I was like, took about that good because you forgot it. I'm so sorry, but did everyone watch the backstage action after they had kind of isolated hook? Yeah. The wizard is back. The wizard is bad. God. To be honest with you, whatever anything like what the learning tree happens, I just kind of saw him. Him killing Excalibur uncommentary was really funny to me, but that's a DDT and then there was a glimpse at that moment of Excalibur and he's trying so hard not to laugh. But I want to know what's going to be wrong with hook, what's happened to hook, and what are we going to do about it? So well, we probably went to Tony Con and said, look, everybody, keep you in the same bullshit with the learning tree for the next several months. Just put me on injured reserve because that's what we would do. It's going to be a least favorite part of the learning tree is just that hook is just forever involved. He is stuck in the Jericho vortex. It's going to be the return of something to do with TAS being the manager or something. That's what it's going to lead to, which could be a good thing. But then again, it is what it is. I've been asked a stupid question here because again, see the thing with the word learning tree is it's just not interesting to me at all. I don't look down on anybody who finds it interesting, but I actually have more than one working brain cells. So I don't find it interesting. I guess that wasn't. It's all time. Sorry. I went over the top. I just did an engine. Whatever. I like it. But I also have a history of traumatic brain injuries. There you go. But anyway, I don't know if I have a traumatic brain injury, but I keep running into stuff a lot. So whatever. It's also the segment where Kyle O'Reilly came out. Yeah. For a minute. Yeah. So we can't go freaking shuttle without Kyle O'Reilly. No, it was. No, it was. It came up. It wasn't like he came out to do anything other than get beat up for a second. Yeah. He came out to help Briscoe. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Okay. That's right. Got it. So got it. He's got, don't put orange Cassidy, Kyle O'Reilly in the, in TMAEW and Blood and Guts, do not ruin Blood and Guts for us. Oh, Riley. Great. I love Kyle O'Reilly. Got it. Okay. Whether you think he's great, is he a Blood and Guts wrestler? No. Oh. Cassidy, you can't do anything. You literally can do anything. Okay. Let me put it this way. It didn't hurt for a minute. Hello, Riley. It hurts Cassidy. You're in that match. I will be rooting for Teebly 100%. I want to see them just destroy those guys. Seriously. I am so sick of Kyle O'Reilly and Orange Cassidy and Roderick Strong on every freaking show. Just stop the madness. Hey, wait a minute. Hold on. Put him out. Hold on. We didn't have the, we didn't have the undisputed kingdom tonight. Yeah. You didn't invoke them. You invoked everybody else yesterday. If you remember. Well, I'm just saying, I am just saying, go look at Cage match and look at the, Kyle O'Reilly has literally been for the last two and a half months on every single show. Look, he was gone for like two and a half years. I am fine with that. Let him, let him make me happy. He is so uninteresting. He is like, you know, paint on old paint on a wall. No. That's a statement. I can't go to here. Don't care who has 30 great matches in a month, then you're just boring. Cause you're over here. Who's one person, like if we had a vote, who hates Kyle O'Reilly? I don't hate Kyle O'Reilly. I just want to ask you to share. I don't hate him. I love Kyle O'Reilly. Everyone else likes him. You're loud about it, but you're not, you're not in the majority. Well, you know, he may be a great wrestler. All I know is that every single time he's on TV and a wrestling match, I change the channel. Yeah. That's why you think there's only heels in AEW cause he turned it off. Yeah. You can change in the channel for the face. I'm just saying they have to have somebody else out there besides Orange Cassidy, Kyle O'Reilly is baby faces. Well, they had Jeff Jarrett, right. They did have Jeff Jarrett tonight. But anyway, so we talked, so yeah, in the silent movie that I watched, you know, with the Page of Agony and the Shabbatah, Hook and Joe, I guess the good guys won. I really didn't watch it. I was the solenoid that Chris Jericho was on TV. I can. Well, he needs his TV time, as he said. Well, that's right, you know, now you, what you said about me and Kyle O'Reilly, take a vote of people who are sick of Chris Jericho, and I think you'll be almost 90% people. Here? Yeah. Go on, baby. Maybe, maybe on the subreddit, but we have a lot of Jericho fans here. Like I said, I hate that I really like this. Go on Twitter and do what was going to happen. I mean, come on. As soon as you saw him come out with that whole thing and get rid of tags, you knew what was going to happen after that. But I didn't, because I didn't know that that has was removed until after this man. And he was gone. That's the best part of the show. That's the problem. And that was the best part of the show that this show sucked. Oh, we're killed. Don't, don't tell me that that was the best part of the show, the best part of that, the best, the best part of that, the best part of the show. Okay. It was the best part of that part of the show. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of the important stuff. When you go, I mean, I know that you think the Brit Baker segment was the best part of the show, actually, Alex, what do you want to speak about next? Well, I guess that's a great segue we can talk about the Brit Baker Mercedes Monet part. I missed a little bit of the first part of Brit Baker's return and her monologue. It was interesting. I think it picked up a lot once Mercedes Monet showed up. I feel like Brit Baker, like the language she was using was a lot, is very like therapy, adjacent. I don't know what the right word is for it, but it was interesting. It definitely wasn't like wrestling verbiage. Would you say clinical? Maybe. Yeah. Maybe that's a good word for it. It was interesting. She's definitely the good guy in this situation. Yeah. I really... I was like... Nothing. Nothing. That's it. I got it. That's a year. I wasn't getting a huge reaction from the audience during her promo, but then when Mercedes Monet came out, people just hated her so much, it made everything so much better, I thought. I personally think they did it backwards. Maybe she'd have came out to Mercedes, not the other way around. To me, it just felt stupid that they would just push Mercedes out and leave her in the ring. That just was like dumb. I'm not in there. If it would have been Mercedes in the ring, and the fans would have been Booner or whatever, and then DMD came out, that probably would have had a bigger impact, because this way it just looked like, "Okay, well, she's still standing in the ring. What the hell is wrong?" Honestly, I'm giving her a chance, a slim one, but I don't know, it's just... I'm not expecting much from this rivalry. So I loved the way they did this segment from top to bottom. So first, we had Britt coming back. Everybody's... For a long time now, people, where's Britt? We find out that not only was she recovering from an injury, which we all knew, but while she was recovering, she had a TIA, a mini stroke, and strokes run in my family, and I know how horrible they are, even the small ones. So I honestly am really glad that she's doing better. And so after you have the crowd on your side, she's back. She beat the odds, she beat a tremendous health problem, and then we cut to the elite, being their horrible little gremlin selves. People have been saying, "For a while now, we have the CEO, we have the EVPs. Why don't we see them together? We finally do." Mercedes had already been very obviously, in my opinion, slowly turning heel her whole time here. It was really cemented during the Stephanie Vakir match, in my opinion, when the crowd got behind Stephanie, I think Mercedes really started playing into it. And here, you have the EVPs bending over backwards to say, "Oh, we're ready for you. It's your celebration." Like Britt is an afterthought. The look on Britt's face, when people were getting in the ring and throwing the, unloading all of those gold balloons at her feet, it's just this kind of like dejected, shocked, sad look. It was perfect, I thought. And then you have Mercedes come out, Mercedes stealing her attention, because she could have waited, she could have, but no, she would have her stealing the spotlight. And then you had that excellent call back to Sasha Banks talking to Nia Jax with the What Line. And I think it's setting up a really good feeling. I'm so, okay, so back in WWE. I'm not interested either. Well, I think it stood on its own, but it's just showing that, "Oh, you think you've come so far? You were in my place once. I am going to overtake you now." And it's setting everything up perfectly for me. Here's the problem with Britt. She was going for 10 months, 11 months, whatever it was. I was waiting for her to die, right? She still had the delusion that she was what made the Women's Division. But you can, if you watch the Women's Division, it's gotten so much better without her. Her return has, whether the Women's Division is going to survive or not, or get better or not, has none to do with her. And that's where her problem comes in, because she's going to, she's going to use that every single time she comes out to the ring, that's what she's going to talk about. And the thing is, the problem with that is, is it doesn't make any sense, and it makes her look stupid. She's been gone this whole time while we've been getting amazing talent coming in. The Women's Division is at another level. She was, I would say, the first breakout star of the AEW Women's Division. This whole time, people are like, can she hang, essentially? So this is her chance to prove, yes, I am still worthy of my spot here. I totally agree with you, Seth. I mean, Britt Baker was really the only star in a group of maybe four that were superstars. And the rest just, they were just starting out, they weren't as good, but then you had people emerge like Willow Knight, Gale, Chris Statlander, Thulia Hart, Sky Blue even. All these women are totally surpassed, surpassed what they were two, three years ago. So you'd have to give Britt Baker and people like her, her Caro Shida, Rio, even Nyla Rose. They were the glue that held this together, the Women's Division together when there wasn't much of a Women's Division to hold. Only because of the injuries. I disagree, I mean, you had Sky Blue and you had Julia Hart, you had Willow Knight, Gale, you had Chris Statlander, who were simply inexperienced. They weren't injured, they were inexperienced. They had a lot of-- In another role, original. There was an original, for the whole time that Britt had to belt with an injury. She came back from injury. The only reason that Jake Cargill had that title as long as she did was because Statlander was hurt. Britt Baker is nowhere near the star. She would have-- Britt Baker is such a better character than earlier. I think she's not really that good a character. She held the Women's Division back. But she would have to see that. She was actually very strong for Britt Baker than they did for Chris Statlander back then. I think Chris Statlander has come a long way, but you can't deny that Britt Baker was the biggest star for some point in time. For a long time. Yeah. For a long time in the Women's Division was the star. Yeah, but it's not a knock on Britt Baker to say that she was the best at a time when they were weak. I mean that she was still the best, it's still credit for her. I wouldn't say weak is not the best term that I should-- I probably if I said that I should have said that. No, it was just an experience. It was-- Yeah, but-- It was building. Whatever, you know, I remember probably the darkest moment in the Women's Division was just like they had one match on Dynamite, it was Britt Baker versus no one knows, there was no story they were telling, it was just a match for the sake of having a match. And it's not so bad. But I agree. But I agree with something that now Britt Baker literally does have to prove herself because all of these women that were there when she was the pillar of the Women's Division are now experienced or have gained experience. They still got room to grow, but you've got experienced women now that she's going to be going against now for Britt Baker. She was reported to have that back injury for, gosh, the last two years before she finally just couldn't do it anymore. So hey, that could have held her back. Injuries happen, but look, I mean, I think the Women's Division has grown. And Britt Baker may have to catch up, but we don't know until we see her in the ring. And it just bugs me because we had a few people on the podcast saying Britt Baker won't be able to, Britt Baker is awful in the ring. Well, and I am doing, and it's like, and so is Mercedes Monet, no, you're just being negative for the sake of being negative. Once they wrestle, if they suck, they suck. There's no two ways about it. And let them go at it first before you pass judgment. Yeah, I agreed. I gave the learning tree a chance. It just sucks. It's not for me. Sorry. You know, that's the way it is. You know, if you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't, but don't say you don't like something, you know, I like clams. You know, I like any clams. Do you like clams? No. Have you ever had clams? No. It's basically yes in their, their, anyway, you know, I mean, it's, you have, there's people in your life that you don't say, I don't like that music. I don't like that TV show. I don't like that food. Have you ever watched it? Or have you ever listened to it? Have you ever ate it? No. You know, you don't like it. You know, so give it a shot. If you don't like it after it's done, then you can just go off like a Kelsin. So yeah, let's talk about pack and Brian Danielson kind of disappointed to pack it and win this, to be honest with you. I like pack a lot. I think he's really good. Not that I think Brian Danielson's awful by any means, shape, or form, obviously he's Brian Danielson, but personally I was rooting for pack and kind of was disappointed that he didn't win. What about you guys? I was for pack on this one. I like him a lot. And I think he needs a win all by himself, a nice singles win and a good run in general. So I wanted to see him win. It was a good man. Let me ask you a question here before we move on anybody else. What gets wins, but he gets wins and then losses. He doesn't get a series of wins. It seems like ever. When you say the pack needs a win, would you be more willing to say, hey, he needs a series of wins. And he needs some by himself, you know, not with, not with, who is he with the death, the death. He just needs some, some wins all by himself. He needs a few under his belt just because I, I really liked that promo. He did a few weeks ago where he said he needed to feel something, make him feel something. And every week, I'm like, come on, who's going to make pack feel something. And so I want to see him feel the glory of a couple of good wins. So I just feel like somebody like pack, if you keep having to do the job. That he's an eventually get discouraged and want to leave and packs one of the best that they've got, in my opinion. So let's give him a chance. That's the way I look at it. Who else wants to say something about Daniel said and pack? I expected pack was going to win, but I'm not surprised that Danielson did. Um, yeah, pack needs, I think, I think it would be better if he was to get a run at Okada and maybe keep that rivalry going and maybe get that big win for that title down the road somewhere. I think that would be better for him than to just get a run of wins. He needs a title. He needs a title worse than Malachi needs a title. I've got to agree with you there. I, I, I thought that Danielson's going to win. The story that they seem to be telling is, you know, Danielson finally, after all this time is like, you know what? I'm going to be selfish. I'm going for a title. We'll see where that goes. But I love pack and I was really hoping and for a second, because I was also making dinner while watching this, I really thought, did they, did they surprise us to pack win? But no, and it was a little sad for me, but I do agree with you. I think him versus Okada just give us a program with them to and give pack back that international title. Yeah. It was really like for that actually to signal the fall of the elite, they start losing their titles one by one. Yeah. Like the only thing I don't like about running that back with pack or running it back with Okada is just, I do want to see Okada have matches with everyone. And I don't know if I want to just see him run it back with Pock right again. I feel like they're probably going to have him do some stuff with Death's Triangle. They kind of have an unresolved feud with the Bang Bang Gang. You know, I'm okay with Brian Danielson winning here. I think it made sense. I kind of wish he won more convincingly. I kind of hate that we had, you know, two roll-ups in both the Owen Hart matches. Right. Yeah. Three. Makes sense. I think, you know, it feels like it's kind of a half way, like we want to make Pock still look good. And I don't know. That seems like it doesn't really help anyone when you kind of do that, but I get it. Anyways, I guess we can talk about the other Owen Hart classic match, the female side of things. We had Chris Stallander versus Willow Nightingale in the beginning of this match. I felt like, you know what, they don't really have that great chemistry. I remember, you know, they had a zero hour match before, and it was a little bit floppy. And then this match felt floppy to me in the first couple minutes. And then it kind of got going and they were doing these crazy German suplexes to each other. And I got into it, and I did enjoy it in the end. But yeah, I'm curious to see what you guys think. Yeah, me too. Unsurprisingly, I loved it. I will look, I loved everything tonight. I have been loving the Willow and Chris story for a while now. Stokely had some great faces going on during this whole thing. Chris had some great faces. I loved. There was this one part. I guess it was towards the beginning of the match where it was a two count. And she did that, me, me, me, me thing making fun of the ref saying it was a two count. I loved it. It was just the right amount of like, spiteful, I guess. Yeah, I don't think this is over. I think they might let it sit on the back burner for a bit, but it's not over. Yeah, so I mean, obviously it's we've been saying that it's going to be Mariah May winning the tournament. Does everybody still kind of feel that way still? Yeah, especially since they've been very clear that the Mariah and Tony story is very much based on all about Eve. I was talking with my spouse earlier. We had the emotional high of, you know, team love wins there on Sunday. By the way, my Mariah May has two hands agenda justified, but now we're going to get the fall of Mariah potentially, you know, out competing her mentor and we'll see where that goes. Yeah, I have a question for you, Seth. What direction do you see that feud going to all in? Are they going to be friendly rivals? Are they going to get each other's throat? Oh, so what I'm thinking is very much the no, I'm not mad. What are you talking about? No, I'm so proud of you. I hate you. No, I don't hate you. What are you talking about? It's the certain type of kind of stereotypically feminine simmering resentment. You see it a lot or I saw it a lot anyway in high school and mean girls. Yes, it's mean girls. I think you're going to see kind of a slow slide of mean girls and what I would like to see is for Tony to kind of stay face and for Mariah to, you know, become corrupted by the fame and the attention and I don't know, we'll see. I just I really want to see where it goes. They've already set it up with the with the little interview they did with when she tried to ask her about what happens if Mariah wins. She says, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't go there now. She's going to encourage her to beat her. Yeah, she's they're going to, she's going to encourage her to the next match and then in the final, she's going to start the quick fall and then it's going to be because she even mentioned that Nina's watching on video on on satellite. So, you know, they've they've incorporated the mean as she can share a cow in to the little fold, but they set it up where Tony's going to give her the encouragement for a minute. But as soon as she has the opportunity to be in the final and when she wins it, that's going to win. All hell is going to break loose. At least that's the way it looks like. Yeah, I mean, look, with Willo Nightingale, she is the story for this whole tournament is that she is the defending on a heart tournament champion. So, she's definitely going to be in the finals and now we're looking to see if it's going to be a Karoshita or Mariah Mae in the finals. I believe that she that she is going to put Mariah Mae over and I do believe that Mae is going to win the tournament and get the title shot. I do see between now and all in possibly Mariah Mae or Tony Storm and possibly both going to stardom and teaming with Mina Shirkawa and maybe something happens there and they show it on, you know, American TV, you know, on Dynamite or collision or Rampage or wherever. But I think that'd be good, like, catalyst for some kind of turn. I personally differ from everybody else. I want to see Mariah Mae be more of the baby face and I, as hard as I try to look at Tony Storm as somewhat of a baby face, I'm not buying it. She is 100% healed to me right now and I've always been 100% healed, you know, since this whole time list thing started. I got her as a tweener more than that. I mean, she, I don't think she can pull off full heal with this character. I don't think that, but my biggest fear is that they are going to blow this somehow because they've had opportunities to make it and out to continue how outstanding it's been. But it's almost like Tony, Tony Collins afraid to pull the trigger and let it go to where it could go. I just, I just feel a hesitation there that in the end could make this all fizzle out to be nothing in the end. Yeah. You know, well, my biggest worry in this whole spectrum of what's going on is that Chris Stattlander is not progressing, like as far as her wins losses, whatnot, and I'm a little conservative. She's kind of getting being used to job too much and I'd like to enjoy some success instead of being asked to lose. I agree 100% and that's why she should have never been turned healed because that whole turn destroyed where she, all her momentum and now she's losing her, she had a, it would have been better for her. It would have made sense for her to beat Willow to get a shot at a possibility of the title. Now she's back down and she's nowhere. She's one of the only women in the division right now that actually from all she's done since she came back from injury, she was the pretty much the bridge between when they, when she took the TNT title and when she bridged that over to the TBSL, sorry, yeah, when she bridged that over to the next one and then she was back in that whole, this whole thing with her and Willow's been going on for too long. This is very long, like nine months and it's done, it shouldn't be done and over with, they should have never had a lose tonight, that just killed all her momentum. She has absolutely, you're right, she has absolutely been being jobbed way too much. There was a mistake to turn her heel, she was, she was not a heel, never looked at as a heel. She was the mainstay in the women's division until they brought in all these other women and everybody started getting a little bit better but they don't give her the opportunities and that's hurting her and this whole teaming her with goofball had made absolutely no sense. None whatsoever. I think turning her heel has given her more personality than she really ever had, it kind of gives her a stronger character than she's had before and I don't think, if you're on TV every week and losing, it's better than not being on TV. She's had a strong storyline going, eventually hopefully she'll spin off and actually be competing for the titles but I don't, I don't hate it just because she's being featured on TV and when the time's right she can, when they have these other feuds are done with then Kristat Lander is there ready to go. Yeah, does anybody else have any thoughts on the Kristat Lander and Willam Night and Gale match? No. All right, so let's move on to the final match of the night and well, to nobody's surprise, hangman Adam Page was the wild card against Jeff Jarrett. I thought that this match was almost perfect because it did set up hangman Adam Page to be like the, I wouldn't even call him a heel, I would call him as just like just a mad person. A disgruntled employee. Yeah, he's just not happy with anybody. I do think that the match went on a little too long because there were long stretches of this match where it was very repetitive and not a whole lot was going on. There was just a lot of standing around kind of, I don't know if you guys felt the same way but over in the end, you know, some people were upset that Jeff Jarrett lost when he was there for the Owen but that was the point, he was going to lose and make it a meaningful first round loss, you know, and it just happened to be hangman Adam Page that gave him the loss. Now hangman Adam Page is disgruntled with the elite, he's disgruntled with the ring ropes, he's disgruntled with that big guy in the front row that was wearing the big black and jackside shirt that stood up the entire show and blocked a view of everybody behind him, why he was standing up, he was in the front row, stitch your big ass down and let other people to paint for the show, be able to see the show asshole. Thank you. As a short who likes going to wrestling shows and the past two AEW shows I've been to, I was lucky enough to be on the floor and this past time I very strategically sat myself on the aisle so I could at least lean in because, you know, people of average height are taller than me, I'm 5'1" and shrinking, yes, please, please, I beg you, it's understandable to stand up during entrances and during emotional parts obviously but please try and sit down, I like to see too. I mean he was standing up, it was just annoying me, I was like, I would have just like kicked him in the kneecaps, I would have decapped him, I'm surprised that nobody had security came and told that asshole to sit down, I was like, oh he is far from the first person to do it, he was just very visibly doing so this time and he was like 6'6" and he had his arms raised most of the time, he was doing, he was like trying to see around a drive-in theater, I feel kind of bad for him, he was getting eaten alive on Twitter, yeah, oh yeah, not by name, I don't know if anybody's named him yet, I kind of hope for his sake, they don't, but everybody's like, oh my god, sit down, please, sit down and again, I'm as a short, I'm very thankful for the people who remind everybody to please sit down and let everyone see, but also, the guy was excited, but still, yeah, I mean he got to be considerate and I was actually during this match hoping that Adam Page would go over there and throw something in his face, you know, like just whatever, just because, you know, it was just like that guy just annoyed me, the entire show and I'm a very annoyable person, but anyway, what did you guys think about the match itself, that it would have the right ending and did you agree, it, like I said, my estimation, it just seemed like the match went on a little too long? Yeah, it felt like, it felt like because of the commercial break that was kind of in the middle of the match, that just stretched it away longer than it should have been, I said to my wife when it started that I think this is going to be a five second match, Hang Man's is going to kill Jeff Jarrett, and he tried to at the end, he really tried to kill Jeff Jarrett, I really enjoyed it, I do agree it did go too long, but at least Jeff Jarrett got to get like a sharp shooter in and got a little bit of love from the crowd, it was nice to see, and I'm someone that always kind of hated Hang Man Adam Page and I loved it tonight, just him scowling the whole time, they had a graphic for next week, or I think for Collision and he's just scowling even harder in the little picture in the bottom of the screen, I really liked what he did tonight, it was great, and then he kind of sounded like Batman, but like a more evil Batman at the end when he was talking to the elite, yeah, I just, I'm really excited for this direction for Hang Man Page, I said it was like a final hour of misery that I loved tonight, and this is a big part of that. Yeah, I agree, they believe in the commentators, the announcers made a point about Hang Man's job being quenched through the entire match, but we also want to talk about Hang Man Adam Page and Jeff Jarrett. Okay, so no, I was waiting just because I'm going to talk a while, like big surprise, but okay, I love Hang Man, I think he is talented, you love everybody, I do, I am, I'm a very loving person, there's room for a lot of love in my heart, but I have like a little emotional support, Hang Man action figure on my desk, toasting me, right, it's great, but I've been absolutely loving his character since the whole, you know, swerve breaking into his house thing. I keep people like, oh, why are people saying he's a he'll look, it's very much Anakin Skywalker, Jim and Anakin Skywalker both started out from a very, you know, understandable point of fear for their families. And then it became more about ego, it became more about hate, it became more about spite. It's not, I'm getting revenge on Hang Man for what he did, on Swerve for what he did for my family now. It's, I'm getting revenge on, I would rather die than let Swerve have a thing. And he's just been in, you know, casing, I thought it was about Anakin Skywalker trying to get into Queen Amidala's jumpsuit. He already did, what's, what's more to anyway, but he's been, you know, sitting at home, stewing for all that we know in just anger and resentment and hate and he came back and he wasn't just, you know, a heel against Jeff Jarrett, who I think they've been for the past couple of weeks, been trying to turn that group more face. And I think they've, this really succeeded with that. He was mean, he was, he was being violent against Jarrett for violence's sake. He was taking out everything on Jarrett. And then of course the audience doing the Swerve's house thing, there were some absolutely amazing moments of him just like, okay, he already has good, crazy eyes. He was feral. I loved it. I'm, I'm a huge fan of the Swerve hangman feud. I think they have fantastic chemistry together. I think they are both very attractive men. And it was, it fed into that anger and afterwards, if you notice, that was when he started getting really mean with Jarrett, like he, he could have pinned him at least three times. And he, he took him back up and kept at it just because he was angry. And then of course you have him, the elite being like, Hey, we lifted your suspension buddy. And he's like, he's angry at them still, he's angry at the world. He's for the moment going to do his own thing. I agree that if Swerve gets involved with Team AEW at Blood and Guts, that hangman will be jumping at the chance to make Swerve bleed. Swerve, I think will also be jumping at the chance to make hangman bleed. It's cool. I'm here for it. I think. Do you think there's a white man joins Team AEW just to make the elite bleed? I don't think so. I think he, he means in character right now what he's saying. I want to win the Owen. I want to dethrone Swerve. I want to make Swerve suffer. I think he will take the opportunity to make Swerve suffer over actually playing it smart or safe, which includes going in with backup. Yeah. He's like, he's almost like, like a leader, a group of villains. And he's like the most evil, right now to me, he's like, they would almost be scared of what hangman's capable of. That's kind of where I'm envisioning this going, but that's kind of the feeling I get. Yeah, he's, he's rapid. That's what I thought. The EVPs were doing what you said, Alex. They seemed afraid of him. And you know, for all their boisterous ways, and it was two of them and one hangman. And they didn't lift their finger or raise their voices or anything. They backed off and backed away from him. Almost like they know that he has been pushed too far. And he is not considering anybody, his friend or history with anyone or anything. And anybody who gets in his way is going to get the business. So I'm all here for it. I like that, Adam. Yeah, he's the more violent he gets, the more sexy it is to me. I am. I'm very important. Yeah. I mean, we have to have a sexy out of age. We do. Yes. The Uncle Jesse of AEW. Oh, I mean, if Uncle Jesse had, like, gotten in fights with people and made them bleed, then maybe, you know, I'm just going by, I've been a rooted for you. You know, that little snippet, there's like a gift that shows Adam Page and he's like, takes a drink and then he turns and smiles. Oh, yes. I'm very aware of that one. Right. Yeah. Put that in the opening credits of Full House, which just says Adam Page is Uncle Jesse and it just fits perfectly. All right, anybody else have anything to say about the Kankman Adam Page and Jeff Jarrett Batch? All right, so here's what we're going to do. We're going to give, I'm going to go one by one. We'll go and we'll get the grades for on a scale of F being the worst and A being the best. Of course, you can go A minus and A plus or whatever you want to do. It's great tonight's beach break dynamite will go to Alex first. Yeah, I'm going to give it an A. It wasn't the greatest show of all time, but it had some moments that were just awesome, especially the MJF turn, but all the hangman stuff, the Willosbury match. Yeah. I give it an A. Okay. Sutton, what do you think? B plus. It had its moments, but there were just things that I didn't like tonight that just didn't make any sense to me. Okay. What about you, that? I'd give it an A. I liked it a lot all around. I still think Jericho was absolutely hilarious. Um, yeah, I liked it and I love the storytelling. They're going somewhere with, with Adam and the, the elite and I can't wait to see when they get there. I don't think it's just swerve that plays into this and I loved MJF's whole thing, that, that whole match, his whole business at the end. I thought that was perfection. So, eight. And, shit. I'm surprisingly A plus. This was firing on every cylinder for me, action, character, story progress, story progression. I'm extremely happy. I think this was a fantastic follow up to Forbidden Door. I'm so excited as to where we're going as we head into all in season. I'm, I'm so very happy. The only way this could have been better was if we had one more women's match. Yeah. Well, my thoughts are, uh, well, I thought the first hour was really good. The second hour had Chris Jericho and it, and it just long, it, it just killed the vibe for me. And so from the time the learning tree started until well after the cage of agony and the, the, uh, similar Joe hook and she bought a match, I had lost interest totally. I mean, I was just like, okay, once you change the channel, you've changed the channel. I'm sorry, you know, and that's what happened. So I'm going to give it a C plus because of Chris Jericho, the learning tree, had he not been on the show, I would have given it a B plus. I thought there were just a couple of little spots in there that just kind of dragged. Like I said, I think that, uh, like the Jared and hang man, that about what match went on just a little too long, you know, and the stat lander Willow match seemed like I've seen it before, you know, so kind of those, those kind of were good, but they, they could get an A out of me. So, but it was a great show. And so that's all we talk for tonight. Um, and, uh, this is just one of those those we've got, you know, Rampage looks interesting. Of course, then we have MJF opening up collision. And so. I'm just so excited to hear him insult everyone once again. People are still going to cheer him though, you know, they are. Yeah. He has to go harder, harder, harder than he's ever gone before and he's gone pretty hard before saying well, thanks to people. So MJF has tasted friendship and he is not letting it get to him again. You didn't know what they need to do is now that Tits McGee is working for AEW officially now, they need to have her interview MJF back in the back, you know, backstage and just let him rip it to her because she's, you know, his girlfriend so she can take it. I think they would work, they prove that they can work well together to pass out, you know, so I assume they still can. So I'm interested to see, like Alex said, I'm interested to see what MJF said. So anyway, that's all Lee talk. We'll see you on Tuesday for Ignition, we'll be talking about all the news and interesting topics from the AEW community. So for the AEW fat hub, fat hub podcast team. This is Kelson. Alex. Good night everybody. Good night, yo, bye bye. Yes, good night, big black and jackass hole sitting in the front row. I just have to go there again.