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KCAA: On The Mark with Mark Westwood (Thu, 4 Jul, 2024)
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That means there's only one more day in the week before we get a little weekend off, maybe. I hope you find it the same way. We have one of my favorite guests already. She was so good last week. I brought her back for another dose. Tony Momburger, Tony Momburger is with us. Later on in the show, we're gonna have Valerie Tabor. Valerie is a school board trustee candidate for Redlands Unified School District. And we're gonna get to know her. But that's gonna be the second part. The first part of the show, welcome. - Thank you, hi, Mark. - Hi, how are you today? - Am I on? - You are. - Testing. - Just bring that a little closer there. - Thank you. - And we call that swallowing the mike. Yeah, that's good, there you go. And you're going to be talking about, follow our courts again. And the status of our courts in the Superior Court and everything else, and we had just broached the subject. I mean, it was like breaching the subject. We talked for almost a whole hour and we still had more to talk about. - Yeah, I listened to it and I could hear how I was frantically trying to spew out as much information in the short amount of time. - There's a lot to this. - This is possible. - This is a very unique thing. It is actually like reporting on our courts and reporting the status and the events. Everything from judgments to prosecutions, to new judges, the shortage of judges, shortage of court reporters, things like that. We talked about this. And if you want to find more information, this is really interesting, folks. Go to followourquartz.com. - Thank you. - Followourquartz.com. And Tony is the editor of this website. She is formerly the editor of the Redlands Daily Facts back in the day. And she has a few other esteemed qualifications on her resume as well as being a tremendously good singer and it's got great taste in music. She requested panic at the disco to come in here. We're going to go out of that, out of this segment with that too. And so thank you, thank you for being here. Thank you for being here. Tony, the one thing I want to talk about today, and I know the one thing you, 'cause you have copious amount of notes. And on your Redlands Chamber of Commerce, notepad, I see, they'd like that if they could see that. And by the way, you can see us on kcaradio.com, kcaradio.com. If you go to that website and you're able to do that, there we are in Live and Living Color. You can also find us on Tiki Live, Rumble, something called Kix, and you can also find this podcast at the end of the day. And last week's podcast, if you want to listen to it, at kcaradio.com, kcaradio.com. And then you can listen to it anytime in your bunny slippers, in your robe, out by the pool. You could just listen to these shows anytime you want. So that's kind of cool. So getting on to the subject now, so we don't waste too much time 'cause we have a lot to talk about. I was kind of amazed when I found out the, through nobody's fault, it was a pandemic. You know, things happened, they got behind, and I found out that each judge has about 2,000 cases. - Statewide, the average caseload is 2,000 per judge, like at any given moment. - And how is that in the San Bernardino Superior Courts and the Civil Courts? - Our average is 3,000 per judge. - Oh my gosh, 3,000 per judge. - That's the in the Empire, that's Riverside County and San Bernardino County, San Bernardino is higher. - So that means there's a whole backlog of cases, a whole backlog of justice, really. - The underfunding, when you say this is nobody's fault, I would for sure disagree with that. - Okay. - I have seen that there are lawsuits already saying the metric that we're supposed to be using for funding the different County Superior Courts. There's one for each county in the state, right? So there's 57 Superior Court systems. We have the highest workload, and we are 2% of the state's resources for court funding. So it's not, we make up 20% of the state, just-- - So they gotta kick down money is what you're saying. - We had been so chronically and drastically underfunded when COVID hit, we already had a devastating backlog. Here comes the COVID, the COVID shutting down, right? We had some creative judges who in San Bernardino Superior said, okay, we're holding court in the parking lot, show up and let's go. Because we just, we cannot afford-- - In the parking lot? - In the parking lot. The creativity that I have seen, I cannot-- - Easy ups, but-- - Tell you how impressed I am with the way they have reframed policy in order to solve problems, mostly associated with the lack of resources. The court reporter issue that you had asked me to talk about some today has meant that they're changing the policy of how they get assigned, right? Because there are criminal cases, felony cases, family law, juvenile dependency cases, juvenile delinquency cases, where the state mandates, you have a court reporter live in the building. And if you don't have one to assign and you can't get that trial held within the 60 days plus reasonable extensions that the Constitution says we get, those cases get dismissed. Now you dismiss a domestic violence case because you don't have a courtroom, you don't have a judge, you don't have a court reporter. - There's a problem. - The restraining order goes away. - Oh my gosh. - I mean this is Riverside County dismissed more than 3,000 criminal cases. - 3,000 criminal cases dismissed. That's an excuse, you know, and can you imagine this is a very important trial in your life for whatever reason, and they say, okay, it's gonna be out in the parking lot? - I think that, yeah, that one is San Bernardino County. I thought that was brilliant. I think this is really, the people in charge in the right moment met that moment. I think that a lot of people came through. And when I say that Riverside County did this, I'm telling you, the presiding judge right now is Judith Clark in Riverside County. And I've heard her speak multiple times on the need for, you know, they gotta get some family law, some cases processed out in the desert, they've gotta get, and she's just trying to shuffle around what resources she has to get this done, but they have done as much creatively as they could. This is not-- - I applaud them. I mean-- - This is not the judges and the court systems being irresponsible. This is them dealing with decades of underfunding, which some people say is discriminatory funding from the state, 'cause you're not seeing this. - Yeah, okay. - According to the allegations in the lawsuit that I was talking about last week in like tourist towns, wealthy towns, coastal towns. - So it seems to be something a little bit disproportionate out of whack on this. And that needs to be looked at. And that needs to, you know, actually have a grand jury investigation on the course. That's what might get something done there. So in case you're just joining us, you're driving down the road and you're KCA1050AM106.5 FM, and we're talking with Tony Momburger, who has a website and a program called Follow Our Courts. And you can find it on followourcourts.com, and we're talking about the courts today, and I want to get to the crux, and what we really want to talk about right now, and that was something I found out about, which was one of the problems is the process that they don't have enough court reporters, and right now, as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong, they can't just turn on a tape recorder and record the court. It has to be manually transcribed with a court reporter typing as documenting every single word syllable noise that's made. - You're right, and this is something that is also, they have to physically be in the room. In December of '22, the courts, the Association of the Superior Courts of California, filed a request with the state to allow court reporters to work remotely. And part of the argument for that was, and I wrote down the exact quote out of their request, they said, at this point, they didn't say at this point, I'm throwing that in for context, they said additional funding will not solve the problem, as there is no one to hire. This problem has spun so deeply out of control. - There's no one to hire. - But I also want to point out, when you talked about recording in the courtrooms, every courtroom in the Inland Empire has been outfitted just in case this becomes okay. They're ready to go tomorrow, recording these and transcribing them later. - So how do you feel about that? I think, you know, I'm a traditional sput at the same time if it gets the job done, and they can be transcribed later, and put into words, or maybe they even use artificial intelligence to do it. - You hate my answer to this question. - Okay, maybe I will, maybe I won't. Okay, tell me what your answer is. - I don't feel anything, it's not my job to feel anything. What I have is curiosity. - 'Cause you are a reporter, and you understand, and you're just there to get the information out. - So what I have been hearing from most people is that we are in a dire situation. We have got to start changing our policy regarding court reporting. We've got to start allowing remote, we've got to start allowing recording. And I've been very interested in hearing the other side, and I finally did, and I wish I had time to get all of the details, but I sat next to somebody at an event recently who said, oh my goodness, thank goodness that they're not changing those rules. It's really, really important for these kinds of cases to have a human being in there, transcribing it in the moment, where we can stop and say, can you read this part back to me? What was that she just said went to have a human being doing that physically in that space, contributes to accuracy, to a degree that we need to respect the seriousness of these cases? - That's a very interesting point. - I was so grateful to get the counterpoint, yeah. - And you think that's kind of, but you're right. I mean, if in the moment it's inaudible, or the person swallows their words on purpose, and it doesn't get recorded, then it doesn't get transcribed because the chances of them coming back and revisiting that and doing a do-over are just nil. - There are benefits, and I had not understood what they were until somebody, thank goodness. I mean, if ever we have comments or opinions or people advocating for anything, and there's anybody out there who has the counterpoint of view, give me it, I want it. - So tell me how bad the situation is with the court reports. We've talked about it being bad, but there's some statistics that might blow your mind here. - I wrote some of this down. - These are not probably in the best order, but in San Bernardino County, for our story, which I was looking at before I came in here, we wrote in 2023, we had 96 court reporter positions, and 25 of them were vacant. So we're at about a quarter vacancy rate in San Bernardino County. The Riverside numbers, I'm gonna hedge a little bit because it was written in 2023, but it said by 2024, we will need 116 court reporters. So I'm skipping ahead to that number. Part of that is because we're opening, as we talked about last time, the Menifee Courthouse. So as-- - Brand new courthouse, odd menifee-- - Brand new courthouse, and this is huge. - It's like five stories, and yeah, it's a big courthouse. - So one of our crises, right? We have a judge vacancy crisis. We have a courtroom shortage, but the problem is when you solve these, it exacerbates the court reporter shortage crisis. So we're kind of in a bad situation, but of the 106 that we need, 72 were filled at the time we wrote our story, which was recent. I mean, is probably they have filled some more, I don't know, we don't have people to do it. So in the state, we have a 19% vacancy rate statewide, which means we're short by about 3,000 bodies. - Now interesting, okay, can you tell me some of the qualifications to becoming, is this a really technical, hard, lots of studying, lots of testing, how do you become a court reporter? - You have to complete a court reporter program, and there were multiple, I wish I could tell you exactly how many a lot a lot of the programs have closed down. There were schools dedicated to court reporting, you could just go take it, it's not like having to go to a four year university, you don't have to get a college degree for this, but if you go through the court reporter program, there's one left, and it's in Orange County. - Why did they all shut down? - There are nine programs left, two of them are in community colleges, and one is in Northern California out of a university, but they're shutting down because enrollment has gone down by 50%. So I wanna give you just, I'm using the highest number we had in one month, but in 1995, the highest number of people who passed the test in one month was 309, that's 1995. - Yeah, 299 and 1995, I like how many years ago that was, yeah. - In a month, in 2001, 40 people passed the test for the whole year. - For the whole year? - For the whole year, the most recent number I have is 2021, 36 people passed. I know that the weight, - A shopping drops. - Like in 2019, I think Judge Abuno said in his state of the courts, we have the lowest percentage of passing. We had 8% of the people who took the test passed. So it's-- - Are they paying like minimum wage or substandard wages? - Oh, you know they are not, I like the way you pitch me that ball, they're recruiting so heavily. - So in San Bernardino County, if you get a job at the Superior Court as a court reporter without a college degree, it pays. If you take the base salary plus benefits, $158,500 a year. - Whoa, excuse me, I'm leaving. - In Riverside, they listed differently, they say it's $57 an hour plus benefits and I was trying to calculate that, but I had been told when I took this job, there would be no math. So I think it's even more, I think that comes to more, but I'm not, math is not my thing. - But let me say, so this was recent news is we got, there's now a court reporter bonus incentive program out of the state. San Bernardino County got a couple million out of this just about, just less than I think it's like 1.9 million. Might be 19 million, I was told there would be no math. So, but let me tell you what this is for. If you become a court reporter today, in two years, they're giving you a $10,000 bonus. And then from two years to 10 years, you're getting $15,000 bonuses. - On top of what you've already earned. - Yeah, but if you stay for 10 years, that goes up to a $20,000 bonus. - I'm gonna lose my board up, I'm gonna lose my sister. - Yeah, thing, running out now. - Money, but again, keep in mind this quote, I wrote this down. Additional funding will not solve the problem as there is no one to hire. So, where are they going? - You mean no one to hire the people or no one. - No one to be hired. - To be hired. - There are no candidates for this. They are leaving for the private sector. The state of California has the highest accuracy rate requirement to pass the state test. You have to be 95% accurate to pass the California - Court reporter. - Court reporter's shorthand exam. So, some people are leaving the state to take the exam somewhere else and work somewhere else, right? They're also working in the private sector. You, well, I wanna say, the wording that I've been hearing from the courts is they can make more if they work in the private sector than if they work for the superior courts. - No, I don't understand. - But at this point, I kind of think that's not true. - Court reporting? - Yeah, they can, they don't have to work the superior courts public, right? That's paid for by our tax dollars. We're becoming more, like obviously, these numbers are intended to be competitive. But I heard a judge out in the desert say to the attorneys, if I give you very precious, if I give you court time, if I assign a trial date and we reserve a courtroom for you, you better have a court reporter lined up. And if you don't have one, it will be cheaper for everybody. If you're out of pocket, hire a private court reporter then to wait until you can get one of them assigned. - So there are companies of private court reporters, maybe even for like to take depositions and things like that. - They're coming into the trials. I mean, they're coming into the hearings in the trials and the judge was saying, you're already paying for your witness testimony, you're paying for people to travel, like it will be cheaper for you to just pay for a private court reporter if you have to. So we don't lose that. Because what happens is, you know, are wearing a courtroom crisis, courtroom shortage. - Judge shortage. - If they're assigning a courtroom to somebody and then they waste it, that makes the judges mad. I hear them say, here are the things you should not do. - Well, they must be frustrated. - You need to be ready. Don't come in here and ask to, you know, and say you're not ready. And also they're really, really pushing, negotiating for settlements, you know, arbitration, mediation, all of that stuff. - Because there's 3000 cases per judge. They don't have enough courtroom. They don't have enough court space. - They're stretched in. - And they don't have court reporters. - Hello, it is Ryan. And I was on a flight the other day, playing one of my favorite social spin slot games on chumbacassino.com. I looked over the person sitting next to me. I didn't know what they were doing. They were also playing Chumba Casino. Everybody's loving, having fun with it. Chumba Casino is home to hundreds of casino style games that you can play for free anytime, anywhere. So sign up now at chumbacassino.com to claim you're a free welcome bonus. It's chumbacassino.com and live the Chumbalife. - Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary, VGW Group. Void were prohibited by law, 18 plus terms and conditions apply. - And they're stretched in, they're stretched in, they're stretched in. We live in a state with 40 million people. Evidently, you know, if even you get 1% of those coming into the courtroom, that's a lot of people. That's a lot of cases. - And filings in San Bernardino County are up by 6% this year over last year. So yeah, it's like, you know, when I told you, we're getting judges, we're hiring judges. Well, also judges are retiring. Also, filings are up. We're getting more money. We're getting a higher percentage of our needs met by the state budget, but our needs are increasing. So it's a dance. - So we've been talking with Tony Mumburger, who has a program called Follow Our Courts. And we just have a few minutes left, believe it or not, Tony. That's just the way it goes. It just goes fast. And you've given us so much information and there's so much more information. I swear to you, we need to have a whole entire program. When you come in an hour a week and we talk about this. - Every day at dinner, I'm like, check out this case I just edited. This story about this case that I just edited. - And it is fascinating. It really is fascinating. - It's so interesting. - 'Cause we haven't even talked about the cases. We're just talking about the process. The cases that come before you, very, very interesting. - Give us an example of one of the most interesting cases. - Oh, the other day, we had one about a Fontana police officer who had a man call because his father was, he thought missing, his father had gone to the barrier to visit his daughter, the father daughter. But he calls and says he's missing. The police tell him that his father is murdered and that he's accused of the murderer. And then they take his dog to him to say goodbye and they try to take a dog. They say that we're gonna have put your dog down. They coerce a confession out of him. There's a video of him hugging his dog by and that dog goes off and they try to get it put down, but they were like, this dog is chipped. We can't put this dog down. - Oh my God. - The dog is fine, he got the dog back. But like the first sentence of the story, they accuse him of a murder that didn't happen and tell him his dad's dead and then they try to kill his dog. And it's... - I don't even know what to say to that. - It's one of the most recent stories we have. The headline is about... - But that's why it's so important what you're doing. - But... - Because sometimes things get really fouled up. - Yeah, so then the dad comes home. Like he's not a dad, he's home. This guy's already confessed to that. He's got a coerced confession on the record. - You hear me being silent because there's like, no words to express this. No words to express. - These stories are interesting. But I know you're interviewing Valerie Tabor next. - Yes. - And Redlands, this particular election is dealing with a conflict from two factions to ideologies that we are seeing and covering in other school districts. - And it's coming into the courts. - And they're coming into the courts. The state, Rob Bonta, the state attorney, has sued the-- - The state attorney general, Rob Bonta, has sued the Geno Valley School Board, right? - And it could be Redlands School Board too, because they have exactly the same people. - They're trying. - Not even the same kinds of facts. The same people going to Geno, Temecula and Redlands. - And these same issues are hot issues here. We're seeing them in Temecula. We're seeing them in Geno. - I don't know if anybody who has children in three different school districts like that. So they're not, they're just activists coming in and causing problems. And it's gonna be a very interesting interview the next time. - Some of the candidates in this race that Ms. Tabor is gonna talk to you about being a candidate in, are mentioned in the stories as speakers in these other school boards. In our stories, they've mentioned that they're there speaking, so-- - That's so very interesting. We're gonna tie this right into the next segment. - I'm trying to segue for you. - Thank you, thank you. - You're welcome. - We have to segue with some sponsored commercials. Tony Momburger from followourquarts.com. Thank you, Tony. - Thank you. - To stick around and we'll talk a little bit more. - I will sit in that chair right there. - And sit right there and we'll talk afterwards. It's been a pleasure and always very, very informative, very fascinating. 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Beaches, cloudy, but some afternoon clearing, highs through Saturday in the mid-70s, surf, two to four feet, water, 60 to 69. The I'm Jake Yates, and you're up to date on KCAA 1050AM and 106.5 FM. The stations that leave no listener behind. K, C, A, A, A, and I miss y'all to the hip and the way of life and dreams. I want to come on over and stop making a fool out of me. Why don't you come on over again? Hey, CAA 1050AM, 106.5 FM, Mark Westwood, with Valerie. Welcome, Valerie Tabor. Thank you for having me. Welcome, I'm sitting here looking at Ruth and Wilhelm's granddaughter. I know, Mason connections. Daughter, and Ron's niece. And I say that because back in the day, your family was kind of like my family. I hung out a lot with them and your grandmother made me a whole lot of meals around this little table in the back of a little apartment that was in the back of a motel called the Civic Center Motel in San Bernardino, California. I'm pretty sure I still have that table. Oh, really? Yeah, it's like got that in my dining room as my extender. I have my grandmother's table. So, yeah, they were sure that in common. But Valerie Tabor, you were born and raised in Redlands. Yes, I was. In those years that I lost track with you guys and you graduated from Redlands High School? I sure did. I attended all our K through 12 schools. Okay, we won't say the year, but you also earned Avastors of Arts in Psychology from California State University, San Bernardino, my alma mater as well. Yes, I do. Congratulations. And before graduating from the University of Redlands with a Master's in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. Yes, I am a therapist. Great, I need it later. (laughing) She has an extensive history working with children, youth and their families in this community. What a great candidate for, you know, I'm kind of biased here, but okay. What a great, well, great credits for sure. And a great candidate to be on the Redlands City Unified School District as a trustee. And that's what you're running for. You're a candidate. Okay, and you have been endorsed by Mr. Neil. I believe his name is. Yes, I am. Who was the outgoing person that you're gonna be replacing? Yes, so he's still sitting on the board right now, but he has expressed that he will not be running for a third term. So he'll be retiring in November and I'm hoping to take over for him. So you're active in the community. You're a childcare worker at the local YMCA. Was, was. Was, was for many years, huh? Yes. And you're currently a licensed therapist, active member of the child's, your child's parent teacher association. Yes, I have really enjoyed learning and getting involved with PTA this year. It's been great seeing the way that our communities work together to support our schools. That's wonderful. Kingsbury School. Yes. All right, and you're on the site council there as well. So you've got some experience. You've got some knowledge. We can see you're dedicated. Wow, value you're committed to promoting special education inclusion, expanding early intervention and addressing systematic issues within Redlands School District. Not creating the issues. No, solving them, resolving them. Not creating issues out of nothing that are really not issues for your own promotion and political gain. And we'll get to that in a minute because Redlands is kind of going over, going through the same thing that Chino Valley Unified School District went through. Their school board president just got recalled because people finally got fed up with making issues of issues that really aren't issues. Let's talk about the issues that are at hand and have real solutions. That happened in Temecula. So he just got recalled. Just got recalled in the wrong city. But same kind of stuff going on there. People showing up that really aren't even within the school district and causing issues at school board meetings. Can't control that. People promoting themselves politically for an agenda for whatever reason. Maybe it's for their own self fame or whatever. But it seems to be actually those same people showing up at all of these school board meetings. So this is what you're running into. And that kind of burns people out as well. You've been endorsed though by Jim O'Neill, which we talked about. And he's the current area five representative which is the area you're running in. Yes, so we vote by districts. It used to be district wide. You can vote for anybody. But now as of, I believe it's two terms now or maybe one term. They are, you now can only vote for the person that is running in your district. So only people that live in area five can vote for me. Even though this race affects everyone, even if your area is enough for elections. Absolutely, absolutely affects everybody. It's about social policy. It's about educational issues. It's about getting your kids through school and getting them through all the tests and the scholastic achievements and all that stuff. Education is the most important thing about a school. It's truly found and it's foundational. Like our entire community is impacted by our public schools. It is truly foundational. And if you're worried about who's wearing what or being addressed about what or some books that have been in our school systems forever and ever that, you know, maybe children read or don't read. And you're not worried about test scores. You're not worried that they come out and they're proficient in writing and reading and arithmetic and social skills and political knowledge and governmental knowledge and civic knowledge. Those types of things are really, really important. And come out well-balanced children in an atmosphere that's safe. I mean, I'm hitting all these points and you just-- As I agree, you're saying exactly what I'm thinking. It should be about the academics and it should be about creating students that can think for themselves and are able to function in the greater world and have the foundation to do so. Whether that's going on to college, whether that's going into a career field or a tradesmanship, it's you need to have a school system that supports them to get into those roles and to give them the foundation for it. - If you're just joining Community Crossroads and listening to KCA, I'm speaking with Valerie Tabor who's a candidate for the Redlands Unified School District trustee, area five. And she's making some very, very valuable points. She's very, very qualified by her. List of things that I'm reading here, mental health counselor and all those great things, involved in child education, degrees as long as your arm, very qualified. She's not just somebody with a mouth, somebody's just coming in with an idea, an opinion. I would imagine that when you base your opinions on facts. - I sure do. I have done my research. I have talked with many-- - Is the word I was looking for, research, knowledge, reading? - Yes. It's not just a role that you can come into and do whatever you like on your own personal agenda. - Need your intuition and try to figure that out. You know, it's very, very important. I mean, the school district has a big budget. Probably millions. They do. - I mean, they do, but also this is statewide, but particularly in our district, there's a bunch of reasons why our funding is getting limited this upcoming year. So we have a couple of grants that are ending. We have COVID funds that have run out or needed to be used up by the end of this year. And then our enrollment overall is down, which is fine. And, you know, we fluctuate enrollment, but funding is based on the average last three years. And so if enrollment is down, then that means we're getting less funding. And all of that is just our district, but when you add on the budgetary issues for the statewide education budget has been reduced quite significantly this upcoming year. And so you're already facing a lot of tough decisions on how to make the budget continue to work for the next couple of years. - Yeah, you know, I'm speaking with Valerie Tabor, and you can see by hearing and listening to her, she's very passionate about this. She's also very qualified and she's very knowledgeable. And that's why she's endorsed by the Redlands Teachers Association. Congratulations. - Thank you. I am so honored to have their endorsement. I, you know, from a family of educators, my uncle is an educator, my mom taught kindergarten out in Fontana. My brother is also currently a teacher. So having the support of teachers and educators is really important to me. They are a critical, vital part of our school systems. - Right. Now you have Ron, your brother, as a teacher, out in Chino Valley, just coincidentally. And then you also have a, no, Ron's your uncle, excuse me. - Thank you. - My brother is a teacher as well. He's a music teacher. - He is. He's out in Lake Elsinore. He, I'm sure he's out there in the sun right now doing marching band. I don't, I don't envy him. He does great work. - He got to be a dedicated teacher to be a marching band instructor. - Truly in these, in this heat. - Oh my gosh. That's like being a coach, it really is. I mean, you really have to be, and Ron's a social studies teacher in junior high school. So that's some really good things. And these teachers have to go through so much, and they get so much feedback and so much flack, and maybe not a whole lot of support. And one of the things I want to get out, and I'm just going to say my personal opinion is, before I started on this next subject, we got about 15 minutes to talk about it. Folks, you cannot pad the walls. At some point or another, you have to do parenting. If you have a child, you've made a commitment to do parenting. Real teaching, you're instilling your set of values, and nobody's trying to tell you not to instill your values. They're trying to help you and support you, and provide the education, the academic part of it. So the social and moral values that you instill, you take it to church, you don't take it to church. Whatever, that's up to you to do. That's really not up to the school district. And so what we're having now in a problem with Redlands, and Chino Valley, and Temecula, these people showing up for their own political advancement to make noises, to maybe, you know, self build themselves, I guess you have to say, showing up and making issues out of whether you call yourself, he, his, him, she, you know, whatever, whatever pronouns. I like to call my students, or not my students, but people that I know, by their names. I don't care who they are. Or, you know, this is not, this is not an issue. And then they're making issues of things, like, you know, oh, you're trying to teach all of our students to be gay. No, and that's not true, and not even close to being factual or true. But they take up, you know, minutes and minutes, and hours of time at the school board meetings, you know? - Absolutely. - And then they try to enforce policies, and here's what we were talking about with Tony Mumburger and follow our courts.com and that, that they're following this because they're causing lawsuits. - They sure are. - Title IX lawsuits. - So, Title IX is a little bit of a separate issue. They can be related, for sure. But in terms of these lawsuits, they are passing policies that are discriminatory and oftentimes illegal. And so, either they are outwardly challenging, established law, or they are trying to pass things that there is no grounds for. And the hard part about this is that schools are having to balance parent rights with student rights. So, students have a right to privacy. They have a right to control-- - They're human beings. - They're human beings. We are setting them up to-- - Parents, you can't breathe for them. You can't eat for them. Excuse me, you can't poop for them either. (laughs) But it's true. - Yes, and so, it's coming down to what is the focus of our schools, is the focus of our schools to encourage our students to learn about the world around them, and that means encountering people that are different from them, that whole different values. - Eureka, you know what, you cannot pad the walls. That's what I was saying. As a kid, when I was young, my parents instilled the moral and the values set that they did with me. You know, we're up Catholic and all that kind of stuff. And, but I came across people that were different from me. I came across people that did different life's decisions than me, and there's no way you can avoid that. No matter how many rules you make, you know, how many, you know, the idea of the notion that somebody just recently in a school district passed the idea that no other flags can be done, except for the United States flag. Well, what about, you know, just getting to know the flags of other countries? What about the, you know, missing in action? M-I-A-P-O-W flag. Yeah, what the really is said, we don't want rainbow flags in there 'cause diversity is a real big problem. But, you know, what's wrong with that? You know, I guarantee you kids, if you're listening, or parents if you're listening, you're gonna walk into somebody, or run into somebody, or somebody you know and you didn't have an idea, might prefer a different gender than you do, you know? But the rule and the factor is that, like, there's not a whole bunch of little transvestite kids running around the classes. I mean, I haven't been in school for a while, but tell me that's not the case, right? There's not a lot of kids saying, I want to change my sexual identity or gender, is there? I mean, I'm not in the school system, so I can't tell you whether or not how many of our students do identify as trans. I would hear if it were. But it's also like, what does it, how does that impact learning? Right. To create a safe space where kids feel like they are able to be themselves and they are in a safe place to learn, is vital, it is important. And if we are creating this environment where we are policing their identities, we are outing them before they're ready to parents that may not respond positively. Just call them by their name, if their name is. They may respond harmfully, then that's dangerous. And the bigger issue I think that I think crosses across lines is that these expenses are lawsuit, these lawsuits are expensive. They waste a ton of time and they don't actually improve education. And they are centering culture war policies when we should be centering, how are we helping these kids to become better, more well-informed people? Right. So I'm talking with Valerie Tabor. Valerie, you're running for school board. If people want to get to know more about you, if they want to maybe possibly even support you with donations, how do they do that? Is there a website? There absolutely is a website. So you can visit @ValerieTabor for RedlandsUSD.com. I'm also active on Instagram under the same title, ValerieTabor for our USD.com. And money is the mother's milk of campaigns. Unfortunately, that's the truth. So these campaigns now are becoming more and more expensive as well. My aunt, Elder Hunt, rest her soul, was the president of the San Bernardino Unified School District way back in the day. She served on the board with a guy named Jerry Lewis, not the funny one, but the former congressman. And when I was knee high to a grasshopper, like five or six years old, I helped my aunt with her campaign, licking envelopes and stuffing envelopes. And I didn't know really what I was doing, but that was helping my aunt, Eleanor. And so she was president of the school board when I was in kindergarten. I'll tell you a real quick, funny story. And my kiddo has been involved in mine too. He's been knocking doors with me. That's right. So here's a little marquee. Going into kindergarten at Riley Elementary School, my teacher was named Mrs. King. She was great. One of my favorite teachers of all times. And she was my kindergarten teacher. And I'm going to Ryanman's-- I'm scared stiff. I don't want to go. I want to stay with my mom and my aunt, Eleanor. I like hanging out with them. Well, I get pushed into the elementary school classroom at Riley by my mom and my mom in my lab. But eventually, you got to say goodbye to your kid. Because even in kindergarten, you can't pad the walls. You can't protect them. And we were doing just awesomely hard things like finger painting and eating graham crackers and milk and stuff. I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to be there. I was making a fuss. I was making a really, really big fuss. And the teacher's like, I don't know what to do. This kid is so self-willed and he's so noisy. And I'm like, I want to go home. I want to go home. And they said, well, you can't go home, Mr. Westward. She says to me. I said, well, I want to go home. I want to talk to my aunt. And she goes, who's your aunt? I said, she's down in that room over there. She's having a meeting. And they're like, well, who's your aunt? My aunt, Eleanor. And I remember this Thursday. She went, Eleanor, huh? Yes. They went and got my aunt. My aunt came down and got me. And I left that day. But then my aunt brought me back the next day and talked me into staying there. But that's the kind of interaction that kids have. But it's the same way, whether you're in junior high school or high school or even college. People that are homeschooled kind of run into this too. They don't get the same exposure. They don't have the way to develop the filters or anything else. If you've taught your kids well and you are a good parent, if your child comes across something that you don't really like, or maybe challenges their set of values or whatever, talk to your kids. Is that such a strange concept, Valerie? I certainly don't think so. And that is in line with what the Redlands School Board has been doing over the last couple of months is saying, we're not going to implement these forced outing policies or what they call parental notification policies. Take care of it at home. Because this should be a conversation that you're having with your child, with your student. And also, your student should be deciding when and with whom they are sharing parts of their identity with. They are able to make those decisions. Why does the school have to step in and do that? Making sweeping policies for something that is a very rare, really occurrence. In the same with book banning, if we're taking these books out because we are worried about the impact, the point of books is not to be consumed in a vacuum. The point of books is to facilitate conversations. You talk with your children about the things that they've read or you get involved and say, hey, I don't want my child to have access to these books. But we don't take away access to the whole community based on one family's beliefs. That is not equal, that is not fair. - Right. When I grew up, I used to like cowboys and Indians movies and stuff like that. That did mean that I became an Indian or a cowboy and went around shooting people or anything else. Because I was taught by my parents who parented me that that wasn't right. That that wasn't the way you acted. That's not the way you behaved. The way you behaved was to help people in your community. Teach that. Teach them how to volunteer. Teach them how to feed the homeless, to give, to be charitable. - Teach them to have empathy and caring and kind. - These aren't radical, these aren't really liberal. These are just kind of middle of the road parenting kind of things. - And it's helping them to learn how to be a community member. We live in community with one another. We are supposed to care about one another. It should not be us versus them. - Right. And you know, I'm talking to somebody, Valerie Tabor, who's running for school district board in Redlands. And you know, some people said, "Well, she's kind of "really liberal and radical." But the things I'm talking to you about, and you know, all your degrees and everything, you're pretty like middle of the road, maybe almost, I hate to say, maybe even left right leaning a little bit. But you know, that's the way most of America is. We have to find a way to meet in the middle. We don't need extreme radicals coming into our school board meetings, into our schools, and dictating what we can't or what your child's exposed to. It's just like being exposed to certain illnesses and flues and things like that, build your immune system. Well, you need to build your child's thinking system. Their ability to filter, their ability to make choices. You don't do that by patting the walls. Am I making your speech for you? - You're making a great case for me. And you know, it's a nonpartisan position. These should be nonpartisan issues. We should be able to meet in the middle. We shouldn't be like, this is the side or that side. It's what is actually good for our students. What is good for our community? - Build your child's thinking, logic, and intellectual and immunity so they can make choices and decisions, so they can cope with life's challenges when they become older. Okay, I'm off my soapbox, but we have been talking to Valerie Tabor, and the election is November 5th for you, correct? - It sure is. - Yeah, it feels like it's gonna be right around the corner. My website is Valerie Tabor for RedlandsUSD.com. - And if you wanna put somebody who's logical, who's empathetic, who's compassionate, who, you know, born in Redlands, went through the school district here, you know, has these, you know, bachelors of arts degree in psychology, has a master's in clinical mental health counseling. You know, if you want those things, if you want somebody that's that qualified on your board, rather than somebody who's kind of conjured up out of intuition or some sort of a political agenda, then you need to get on that website, support your children by working for Valerie. Money is great, too, but she needs people to knock, she needs people to walk, she needs the people to talk about her, she needs to become known, so that whenever a fifth comes, people don't go, okay, this is Valerie, and Valerie lost the lotteries. - This extreme is good on the board and it can be-- - Oh, exist. That doesn't mean you have to be extreme, you don't have to be radical about it. And you also don't have to force your beliefs on others. Our public schools are for everyone. Of different religions, of no religion. - Coexist. - Coexist. - There are Muslims, there are Catholics, there are Protestants, there are Lutherans, there are Baptists, there are Mormons, there are Jewish people. I mean, I could go down the list of all, you know, the schools of theology and thought and religious and faiths. And, you know, we all have to learn how to coexist and get along. - We do, and I want to particularly say that some of the people that are running, they are particularly anti-Muslim. They have spread a lot of Islamophobia in the community. And so, even if you don't end up supporting me, as long as you are educating yourself about who is running, I'm happy. Because there are quite a few strange folks running this election cycle. - We're gonna have an election, there's gonna be a presidential election, that's very controversial, and of course that'll turn out a certain number of people for this side or that side. And there's a good enough people that they vote for the top choices, but they don't, what we call vote down the ballot. - Oh yeah, local elections matter more than anything else. I could probably talk for a whole 'nother hour about local elections. - There are city council people in San Bernardino got elected with less than a student body, ASPE president, in their elections, got five, 600. So, sometimes it comes down to a handful of votes. - Right. We have a state assembly race that got lost in the desert by 85 votes. - Yes. - So, it is important that you vote. November 5th that you're a registered vote. You can register anytime online through your DMV or whatever. Valerie, your website is again. - Valerie Tabor for Redlands USD.com. - Valerie Tabor for reslands USD.com and it's spelled T-A-B-E-R. - It sure is. - Very easy to do that. Valerie, it has been so good talking with you. Is there one speech you wanna make real quick in the last two minutes to convince people to vote for you? You're on. Schools are for everyone. Every student, every teacher deserves to be and feel supported on our school campuses and I am dedicated to creating that environment. If a vote for me is a vote for fiscal accountability, district accountability and safe and thriving students, all of that is so important to me. So, I hope to earn your support this November. - Thank you, Valerie. If you wanna really hear this, it is kciradio.com, kciradio.com. 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