Clownfish TV: Audio Edition
The Acolyte RUINED The Jedi!
According to Forbes, Disney Star Wars keeps ruining the Jedi, making them less powerful and less mysterious with each new movie and series including The Acolyte. OUCH. ➡️ Tip Jar and Fan Support: http://ClownfishSupport.com ➡️ Official Merch Store: http://ShopClownfish.com ➡️ Official Website: http://ClownfishTV.com ➡️ Audio Edition: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qJc5C6OkQkaZnGCeuVOD1 The portrayal of the Jedi in the Star Wars prequels and sequels has failed to capture their mythical and powerful essence, instead depicting them as mundane and bureaucratic, ultimately ruining the essence of Star Wars. 00:00 The Acolyte ruined the Jedi by changing their character and diluting the story, leading to criticism and disagreement among fans and critics. 04:45 The Acolyte ruined the Jedi by portraying them as bureaucratic and ineffective, leading to their extinction and angering fans. 07:26 The portrayal of the Jedi in the prequels ruined their mystique and made them boring, turning them from mysterious and revered to common and well-known space cops with laser swords. 09:38 The Acolyte ruined the Jedi by portraying them as less secretive and impressive, repeating the original movie, and not developing meaningful friendships and characters. 12:31 Modern entertainment prioritizes quantity over quality, neglecting character development and fidelity to the source material, resulting in The Acolyte ruining the Jedi by not earning anything. 14:33 The Acolyte’s excessive use of Palpatine and Star Destroyers is ruining the legacy of Star Wars and character arcs, leading to unfair labeling and aggressive attacks on Ray, and a decline in content quality due to mainstreaming of nerd culture. 17:09 Women not excluded from Star Wars and D and D, but audience mostly men, positive experience bonding over franchise, more acceptance now. 19:21 The Acolyte ruined the Jedi with unnecessary and confusing elements, pushing old fans out of Star Wars spaces and shaming them for liking the old stuff. About Us: Clownfish TV is an independent, opinionated news and commentary channel that covers Entertainment and Tech from a consumer’s point of view. We talk about Gaming, Comics, Anime, TV, Movies, Animation and more. Hosted by Kneon and Geeky Sparkles. Disclaimer: This series is produced by Clownfish Studios and WebReef Media, and is part of ClownfishTV.com. Opinions expressed by our contributors do not necessarily reflect the views of our guests, affiliates, sponsors, or advertisers. ClownfishTV.com is an unofficial news source and has no connection to any company that we may cover. This channel and website and the content made available through this site are for educational, entertainment and informational purposes only. These so-called “fair uses” are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. #theacolyte #starwars #disney #News #Commentary #Reaction #Podcast #Comedy #Entertainment #Hollywood #PopCulture #Tech
Hey guys, this is the audio edition of clownfish TV. If you guys are unfamiliar with clownfish TV, please check out the video versions of these episodes on the clownfish TV YouTube channel and also on the clownfish gaming YouTube channel. Please subscribe for more podcast. Check out D-Res, that's our other podcast. The episode will begin in a couple of seconds. Thanks for listening. (upbeat music) Hey guys, welcome back to clownfish TV. This is neon. I am here with geeky sparkles. - Hello. - And we're gonna do another Star Wars video because the media just can't stop talking about the acolyte. They're actually doing more defense for the acolyte than they're doing for Joe Biden at this point. - Yeah, no, it's really weird. - It's weird. But Forbes, it's so weird. They've got a dissenting voice at Forbes. They're saying the acolyte, one of the biggest problems with it is that it ruins the Jedi. - It does. And actually, if you read this article, a lot of valid points. They bring up other franchises that have also ruined things, including Lord of the Rings. And it's very, it's really well done. And it spells it out, especially when we keep seeing these people like just having a meltdown, the rap had one yesterday. - Yeah, we were actually, we're gonna do a video on this and then we decided against it 'cause it wasn't worth our time. But yeah, the author of this went on a bender and name checked a whole bunch of YouTube channels. - 'Cause it's all just men screaming and out. - It's all a bunch of men with, yeah, just angry dudes with ball caps screaming about Star Wars. - It was like Echo Base and Geeks and Gamers. - I heard it was Geeks and Gamers and Robot Head was a good one. I don't know. - Mostly she was mad 'cause they name checked her, I guess, in some videos or whatever. But look, it's not worth apologizing or doing damage control for this show. It's terrible. Disney Star Wars is in a bad place right now. Forbes is calling it. Actually, Disney has ruined the Jedi. The Jedi are assholes. - In contradiction to Paul Tassie. - Yeah, yeah, and this is the same, this is what I tell people like. It's not the site itself. It's usually the individual authors on the site and their different opinions. But yeah. - Well, they get more views and they have two different opinions, so. - That's true, double dip. - Yeah, so this was put up today, it was updated at least today. No, it's today. This is Eric Kane who did this article and it's actually a very interesting article. But before we get into any further, - Before we get into it any further, please subscribe for more pop culture news views and rants, guys, you'll get a woo-hoo if you do. - Woo-hoo. - Yeah, so let's talk about this. - Yeah, this is a good one, actually. So like, remember when the Jedi were cool? I wouldn't blame you if you didn't. It's been a very, very long time. Long before Disney took over Lucasfilm and Star Wars, India, Jones, and Willow IP. They're even bringing up the prequels, how even the prequels are kind of too much of, they said too much of a good thing is too much. You know, less is more and I think they're overdoing it. - I think that, like I'll tell you this is, you know, again, being people of a certain age, we remember a time before we really knew much about the Jedi. When we were kids, they were this kind of mythic, elusive, superhero, like, oh my God, Jedi are magic. They're magic and they're like super powerful and they can do all this really cool stuff. And then the prequels came out and it's like, oh, they're kind of bureaucratic and stongy. - That's like, they're like in a board room and this is boring, you know? - That's like, I expected them to all kind of be out. I expected all the Jedi to be like, ass kicking adventurers and it'll all be out like just having like kick ass adventures, you know? 'Cause they're-- - Kick ass adventures? - Kick ass adventures. - Oh, it's a kick ass adventure. - And they don't, they're like, oh no, we have to all be prim and proper and go through the proper channels and defer to this master and that master and I'm like, no, I thought they'd just be out there doing cool stuff, Jedi stuff. - Well, that's what they're saying. They're like, you start out with like Luke being a Jedi and he's like on his own fighting all these people and now you have all these Jedi and they're all dying 'cause they're just throw away, you know? Basically, they're not even good enough to win. So they bring it out by first, they talk about Galadriel and they're talking about how when they had the movies, they're saying about how, you know, they did everything they could to keep her close to the character from the books. - Yes, yes. - And then go ahead and score down. But when you get to the show, they said, they said that when they had the movies, she was presented to Faithly, the source was here as possible, beautiful, theory, all mysterious. And you come to the show and then she's like the purpose of a protagonist and now she's, you know, instead of being mysterious and terrifying, she's petulant and boastful, you know, and so like that. She's like, you know, she's removing the conflict. She's one thing, she's in conflict, she's another and it's poorly written and it's diluting Lord of the Rings is what they're saying about the show. - Are you allowed to say that or does that make you an actual racist bigot? - I'm sure this person is gonna be called that because, you know, they're saying the same things that other people like us have been saying. - Yeah, well, that's one thing I will give, I will give Wired was, you know, you get to the very bottom of the article and she's like, okay, yeah, sometimes they have a point. Sometimes the show's just terrible. Yeah, it's not good. - Yeah, but then after they make sure they lecture you. - So yeah, they go talking about that. I said like the Jedi, okay. They said the same thing with Gladro applies to the Jedi. The more Jedi were given on screen, the less awesome they become. It's not to say that Obi-Wan wasn't cool or that I didn't enjoy Darth Maul, but as more movies would come out and more shows like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Ahsoka arrived falling flat, the Jedi had just gotten less and less compelling. - Can we say that both of those shows were terrible? Wow. - I mean, I didn't hate old and bitter Luke from the sequels, but the movies failed to really give him a worthwhile story. He didn't earn the rush redemption arc he was given. Face it, Luke's story was over, return the Jedi. And maybe so were the story of the Jedi. Yes. Thank you. - Yeah. I mean, the Expanding Universe did a better job of it than Disney's done, but yeah, you know, I think that that was the thing. The Jedi weren't special. That was one of the disappointments I had, you know, when the prequels did come out was I'm like, man, the Jedi are kind of assholes and they kind of suck and they're bureaucratic and they just kind of sit around in chairs and they didn't really do anything. Now, attack of the clones and venture the Sith. We saw them fight, which was pretty cool. But, you know, we were always kind of thinking that the Jedi were much more badass than they actually were. But also, you know, when the prequels took place, it was like, this is the end of the Jedi. And this, so I kind of was like, okay, this is why the Jedi went extinct because they were assholes. They were up their own ass. They really lost whatever effect they had and they were dinosaurs. But we're seeing that, like, you're a hundred years before the Jedi die out. It's amazing they die out before because they suck. - Right. Well, they said, it's usually enough. I gendered an article too, talking about how the accolade Jedi went out like little punks in the fifth episode. So, even people who have on your side. - Wow. - And each kind of lost them when she pretty much killed off all the characters. You know, as far as the Jedi were concerned. And last episode, spoiler. So they're talking about that. So I guess somebody over at IGN already had an article that we don't have to read through that, but. - How dare you? You sound like alt-right bigots. - I know, right? For two different places. - You probably were a ball cap. - Forbes, and IGN. So apparently the fifth episode pissed people off so they finally were actually calling it out. - I didn't get that far. I literally, the only episode of the show I've watched was episode three just to see how bad the lesbian space witch thing was. And it was cringy and lame and not worthy of Star Wars. And I'm like, yeah, whatever. - But yeah, they talked about how these Jedi bought the form in it. - Yeah, in the episode five. - Sucks. - A whole bunch of them at once. And then they carry out Moss's master with killed in the first step. The few minutes of the show. You mostly see her flashbacks. And then they killed the Wookiee Jedi. I guess the Yord Horves pissed off now. I don't know. When I talk of Alec Guinness, everyone Kenobi told Luke about the Jedi of Lore. You might also recall it were for a thousand generations. The Guardians of Peace and Justice in the Old Republic. The Order sounded so awesome. Mysterious and legendary. The mysticism of the Jedi Order combined with the few scraps of knowledge we had about them. They fought something called the Clone Wars. And basically, they're talking about how each time, did every, every, you know, with the prequels, they kept chipping away at the mythology, which actually makes them more boring. Yeah, he said the Jedi counts and meaning what feels like a conference room at the Radisson. - Yeah, yeah, it was, you know, that was the thing. 'Cause at first it was kind of cool. It was like, oh, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, nobody seemed to realize, you know, they kind of realized they were Jedi. Like, oh, I think they're Jedi Knights. Oh my God, Jedi. And it was always like the Jedi were mysterious. Even the Anakin was like, oh, I've heard about the Jedi. I've never actually seen one. Nobody can kill a Jedi. And we went from that to like, oh, yeah, they die like every day. - Well, I think it's always funny. Squick, he mentions it all the time, like in the Force Awakens. You know, it's not that long after. And it's like, no, we first have known about Jedi for hundreds of years. Now the Force Awakens happens, you know, and the story is, and then once like, it's true, all of it. And Squick, he's like, but it was only like, you know, 30 years ago, like it wasn't that long ago. Why would they not know about it now? But they knew about the myth for hundreds of years. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - But that doesn't make sense. - I just, I didn't like the way that the Jedi were like, assigned to be guards. And they were, they were basically space cops with laser swords. And it was like, I always thought they were like, like the Knights Templar or something. Like they were like a more mysterious organization that they would go do good and whatever for the benefit of the galaxy. But there weren't very many of them. But it was like, oh my God, these guys are badass. They show up. - That's how it was until we decided to do Indiana Jones and thought that Knights Templar should be more focused on that one. I don't know. - I don't know. - 'Cause apparently they come from the same sources. - Yeah. - So you see, less is more. Luke Skywalker dressed in black walking, calming a Jabba Huts Palace and tattooing to rescue Han Solo as a thousand times cooler than a hundreds of Jedi's we've gotten since. - Yeah. - Actually, maybe the last time Jedi recalls when Luke Skywalker showed up and to rescue Manda and baby Yoda and the second finale of the Mandalorian, you could just feel a powerful unstoppable he was. The Force for a brief moment felt like it used to. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is it. This is why people are so pissed. - Don't cry about it, though. - The rat just like, wow, you know, and it's been sucky for a while. And you know, things change, things have to change. And you don't understand, by changing it, you're making nothing like Star Wars. And you're ruining everything people loved about Star Wars. And I think that they hit it like right on, the nail right on the head on this. - Wow, I hate Ray, but she was like a less interesting Luke knockoff. - She's married soon, she was boring as hell. - So we can't, so now we, I guess, now we can say it, right? - Justice for Finn. - Yeah, I think now we can say it. Disney Star Wars, for the most part, has been a bust. They've had a couple of things here and there that have worked that felt properly Star Wars, but for the most part, it's been a bust. It's actually, you know, run the Jedi through the mud. I would like to know like, Order 66 wasn't very effective at all, was it? 'Cause we've got all kinds of Jedi running around after Order 66. - They do a very good job. And it was like everybody was in hiding and they weren't hiding very well, were they? - My take on the Jedi was always like, I always thought they were supposed to be so secretive and like a lot of people didn't believe in the force because it was like, yeah, they could live their entire lives and never see a Jedi, ever. And now it's like they're running around all over the place. There's like tons of them. - Everything he's saying, then this paragraph, stuff we've said. Okay, a similar model to less compelling, heroes arc and less impressive films. I, Force Awakens, I'm sorry, was New Hope 2.0. - Yeah, it was the same thing I'll ever get. - Which I understand, like, look, I can understand why they did it. They were trying to show people, hey, this isn't the prequels, but I'm like, yeah, but just, you know, repeating the original movie, again, is not exactly-- - Well, I think one of the big mistakes they did was they promised to get the original cast back, didn't give it to them. And then what they had was the new cast, which he brings up here, they didn't act like the old cast. Hell, if the sequels had been good as the original trilogy, I wouldn't even mind that she was Luke 2.0, so long as they had given her companions as wonderful as Han Shui and Leia, which they didn't. And you thought they were setting them up, they were all gonna be companions like that, but they weren't. It seems nobody in modern Star Wars outside John Favreau remembers the importance of good friendships in the series. Yes, thank you. Exactly. - Throwing more Jedi Addis with their rainbow light sabers does not help make Jedi great again. - Exactly. - It's especially true since we never got to even meet the five books and the Sith kills off in the act of light and barely spending time with the three key Jedi masters, either. There's too many Jedi, there's too many of them. Like, even during the height of the Republic, there shouldn't have been, I always thought there was like 1,000 Jedi total in the galaxy, like there should not be that many Jedi running around, it's supposed to be special, but again, the force is for everybody now. You're not special. - Yeah, it's like when everyone's special, no one is. They said, so why do even so many filmmakers and writers forget that killing off characters is only impactful if we care about the characters first? - Wow. - Yes, you need character development, we're given less. And when less is more, we're given far, far too much. Yes, in our content start, yeah, somehow content gled in modern entertainment space, more is always more. We must make all the spin-offs and prequels and remakes the adaptations we can, but who cares about fidelity to the source material? - Wow. - But that means we can have more stuff for all these streaming services. Speaking of which, we need more streaming services, lots more, and they all need to charge more since they're having trouble making enemies. But hey, you don't mind having less of your bag cat when they're all giving you more content, right? - Wow, the accolade is pretty bad, but if we make our next Star Wars show with even more Jedi, more Star Wars fans, well watch, that's the mindset, that's what they ought to God think. - Add more diversity, of course, whether or not we're giving our diverse cast a good script to work with. Yes, exactly, the thing is they're giving them stuff that's shit. Like we said that before, like with cutting Marie Tran, like Rose Tico, her character was shit. She was just in there to be a foil to Finn, and if they'd given her good stuff, only people would've hated the character. It's not that hard. - No, she could've been a good character. - And the thing that gets me about all the characters that were introduced in "Last Jedi" is like we barely knew the characters that were introduced in the movie before, and you gave us a whole bunch of new characters, and then you killed off the bad guy before you explained who he was. I mean, so many things. - I like the suit, yeah. Who cares about that? I'd like to give them a good script for the cast. This is about sincere presentation. No, it's not. It's about getting more subscribers. We have to appeal to demographics. The old demographic isn't paying the bills anymore. More MCU shows give all the character's superpowers, not just superheroes. It works for Arrow and The Flash. No joke, give them everything they ever wanted. What could go wrong? You know, earn nothing, which is why we've pointed this out before. People like anime and manga a lot because the characters don't just get handed things for the most part, they have to earn it. - Oh, wow. He really goes off here. He's like, yeah. - I don't think I've been saying. Oh, yes, I love you. Everything I've been saying. - He said, yeah, JJ Abrams built a whole career on callbacks and endless pop culture references. So, yeah, he came up with Star Killer Base, which was the Death Star of a Bigger, more Death Star equals Better Death Star. - Yes, thank you. - The return of Palpatine because more Palpatine is better than leaving the most important climactic moment in all Star Wars movies alone. - They were trying definitely to win the fans they lost back 'cause they were the ones actually paid for shit. - More Palpatine is worth undoing the entire legacy of Star Wars and Luke and Anken's entire character arcs. Also, look at those Star Destroyers. That's it. - Yeah, it's too much. Yes, and it's just ruining everything. The fans are tying their entire identities and products that are unhealthy and aggressive and ruinous fashions, basically like, you know, like politics. I agree, but I also think that-- - We talked about that. We actually talked about it yesterday. - But I also, the one that we didn't put up, you mean? - Yeah, we didn't put it up. - But the problem is too, though, is the fact that if you don't like these things, if you say what the author's saying, much we've said many times, some of what these authors say. You automatically are labeled, the author's probably gonna get the same thing. It's not about, you know, like everybody's acting out to unhealthily and aggressively. The problem is when you say, "I don't like Rey," and you can call an internalized misogynist and was it Punta or whatever in Spanish? By a dude who once told it was mad that I didn't like Rey, it doesn't exactly make me feel happy towards people like that. You know, and I think people are just been, they've been just attacking anybody who doesn't like it in unhealthy and aggressive ways. And then when you fight back, you're the bad guy, you're the bigot. And it's bullshit. - Wow, this is interesting, though, 'cause he's talking about the fancy bubble, and we've talked about this before, and I actually talked about this with, I was on Peter Pischke's podcast and we talked about this, said the sudden rise of nerd culture into popular spaces, it's the popular kids who have co-opted nerd spaces, realizing there's cultural value to it now, much like corporations have realized there's so much money to be made, which is why, and he talks about D&D taking off and Star Wars taking off, and all these things took off. In the 2010s, mostly, it was all these Hollywood nerds, so when we talked about Hollywood nerds in like a derogatory fashion, it's because they sort of mainstreamed nerd culture, and with it came all these corporations kind of pouncing on the stuff to buy it up and make more, more, more, more of it, but it's not as good as it used to be. Now, with that came, groups of people who, you know, - New fans. - The tourists or whatever, or the new fans, and they're trying to keep the fandom from everybody who's there saying they were gate-capped out, which I can tell you for a fact, when it came to Dungeons and Dragons, when it came to Star Wars, because that was bullshit. Women were not gate-capped out. I mean, I'm sure there's some women who have stories that they got quizzed or whatever. I'm sure that's happened. I'm not gonna say it hasn't. But for the most part, you ask women about it, they work. Every time I shut up to a space that was, you know, for Star Wars, it was mostly men. And I'm sorry, Star Wars is the audience's mostly men. That's just fact-based. They would always be very welcoming to me. Very rarely do I have any issue. They were always like, oh my God, there's a girl here, yay! You know, I bring my friend, and there'd be two or three of us girls there. We'd be hanging out talking Star Wars. They thought it was great. They were thinking, that's why I helped one of the reasons. Neon liked me when he first met me, was 'cause I knew more about Star Wars than he did, and I also knew what Street Hawk was. And he was like, oh my God, I'm marrying this one. Some day I'm gonna meet a girl who's gonna know what Street Hawk is, and then I'm gonna marry her, and we're gonna have babies who don't know what Street Hawk is. No, they do now, 'cause we told them that we told them, like we could go, we could go. I had explained that Duke's a hazard too. But I'm just like, you know, they loved it. And D&D, everybody was welcome, 'cause people were like, and the same thing with Star Wars, like if you have people that are interested in it, and they aren't making fun of you for it, 'cause you don't understand back in the day, you got your ass kicked if you played D&D, or if you carried a Star Wars lunchbox around, and things like that, people weren't like, I mean, when you're older, they did not accept it as much. So we had-- - You heard 42, and you're still rocking at Star Wars. - No, no, no, no, no, when you were a little kid, you know, people were like, but when you were older, like Star Wars, you know, in like the later '80s or early '90s, it wasn't cool. - Oh, I had it. I had a kid step up my return to the jet at lunchbox, and I was in kindergarten, and he'd stomp. It was my metal Luke Skywalker lunchbox, which I think if you guys have seen it, you've probably seen that one before, it's got Luke on the front. Bad ass, black cloak wearin', Luke Skywalker, well, I guess it's technically brown, but you know, bad ass Luke Skywalker, and it had like the Ewoks on the other side, but yeah, a kid laid it down on the concrete, we're waiting for the bus, and he stomped on it. - Should've picked it up and said yub-nub, and slapped in the face with it. - Yub-dub, motherfucker. - That's what I would've done. - Back up years later, when I actually learned a fight back, I used to get beat up a lot, and then I learned a fight back. - I was just saying, you know, I'm like tired of beat watch, people get verbally beat up by these people that just come in and say that, you know, you don't let us in, you have to let us in, and you're like, okay, fine, come, cool, cool, come in, we welcome everyone. Well, I'm here now, we don't want you leave. And that's what's going on, and I'm sick to death of it. It's like, fuck you. - Yeah, we're not getting, I mean, this is the thing, it feels like nerds are actually getting pushed out of their own spaces and shamed for liking the old stuff. It's like it was-- - What they're live about too, if you don't like what they like, it's 'cause you're a bigot, even if you're not. - No, and that's like, I looked up bigot and Star Wars, get this on Google, there are 9.2 million results. Over 9 million results for bigot and Star Wars on Google. 'Cause it's-- - We're one of 'em though. - Yeah, we're one, it's not a result. - 'Cause we're making fun of it, we're making fun of it. - But it's become this narrative now that it's like, oh, it's just the bigot's trying to keep the Star Wars away from the new progressive people. It's like, look, the new progressive people, they are, a lot of them are tourists. They're just whatever's trendy, and now the nerd shit is cooling off, and you can see it, it's cooling off. Now these companies are like, oh my god, what are we gonna do? Oh, let's try to go back to the old fans and try to win them back. I'm like, you already did the damage. You're not gonna-- - Yeah, you just have back and let people talk, like, but Ryan Johnson was telling me when they were shit, and you let 'em do it. - Yeah, we're not coming back, we're not coming back. I'm not coming back, I don't know. You can go back if you wanna go back. They do an Ewok Disney+ show, you'd be holding that. - The ones was good, 'cause if it's like the other shows, I don't even wanna know what they would do. It's like there's a bunch of, I don't know, there's a bear that identifies as an Ewok, or a leopard is identifying as an Ewok, or something like that. - Oh my god, it'd be lots of furry fetish porn going on. - I don't know. - Oh my god, they're yubbing their nubs together, full moon. - The last show had like a blonde girl in it, so we have to, it won't be a black girl because she's not a ginger. If she was a ginger, she'd be black. - Power of yub, power of nub, power of yub, power of yub. (laughing) - No, that would be the one to the many, 'cause that would be like the end. There's like there's one, oh, obviously cute, there's two, what's going on here, and then they hear chattering, there's many, yay, and then they kick your ass. - You get a freaking log in your face or something. - That's the kind of power one to many I'd wanna see. But anyway, we're gonna wrap this up. - Yeah, we're gonna wrap it up, please subscribe, we'll talk later. - Bye. (upbeat music) - Thanks again for listening. More news and videos are available on our website at www.clownfishtv.com and on our YouTube channel, clownfishtv, you can buy official merchandise, clownfish comic books, and more at shopclownfish.com. If you like this show, please consider subscribing and leaving us a positive review on iTunes and other podcast platforms. If you're looking to help support this show financially, go to clownfishsupport.com. If you'd like to sponsor an episode of this show, send us an email at business@webreath.io. This podcast is a production of clownfish studios, LLC and web reef media proudly made in Pittsburgh, USA. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)