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I'm going with it, of course, it's great to do it with Brett Jeeves this morning, as always. I thought it was going to be freezing this morning, but it's not bad, and the wind's gone. This winter's going through, okay, isn't it? 14.5 degrees. It's a brilliant Volkswagen set on the way inside. Get it. It's quite mild, for a lecture. You could let it sit in your Volkswagen? No, no. It's the default model. Is it? It's a budget purchase, but great to be with you, David. There's been a lot happen this week. I've been very gosh, very NBA focused, I've got to be honest, the T20 World Cup, Tazzy won the state game. There's been news everywhere. Very exciting. Yes, it has. Tazzy did win the state game, and the, gosh, the basketball time for people like you and I, is absolute gold, is the speaking of that. We're going to speak to our man in Oklahoma, Roland Stiles is going to join us this morning cover. All things from the giddy story, of course, a week or so, after you got traded to the Bulls, and everything happening with the Thunder, the number one seed, and of course, we'll talk a bit about the trade scenarios as well. Damien Gilles is going to come back on afternoon. Great to have Gillie back after a huge week, again, in the Tazzy football game. We'll dream with the big boss, the entourage, everyone down over the last couple of days, and have had some conversations, Brett, and there's a lot happening, which is really, really exciting, and we're going to talk to Lauren Bingley as well. Well, I'm keen to speak to know what Gillie thinks of the Tim Hardaway junior trade this morning. Three second round picks, and Tim Hardaway junior for Quentin Grimes, I'm sure Gillie's across that. We'll get analysis from him. The first Texas come through the soil now, 4-3-7, double-5-2-5-3-5, from the Great Fosse War in Launceston. 30 meals of rain in Launceston, and 45 meals of rain, that's a lot of rain. It's a lot of rain. It's at Scott's style. My old town. It'd be wet-handed, the famous Scott's style footy club today, I'm not sure if they're playing home. Peter Gutwin said last week that he was glass half full, I think the glass is a full poof. It's in Scott's style today. Well, based on Peter Gutwin. They'll have an MCG-like facility in two years, the way he spoke with such joy. Listen, this is random. I've been told you're going to do this, but straight off the top, I want to talk about this brilliant podcast I got to listen to earlier this morning called Stories From Stories After Stumps. Bevan Cint is what it isn't. It's based on the time when Michael Bevan, of course, 20 and a bit years ago, came to Tasmania on an incredible journey for two years. 20 years ago. 20 years ago. What's happening? We are all getting old. It's a good footy. What I want to say about what I've listened to, I loved hearing all the old voices of Tasmanian cricket, some fellas like the Burt's and the Ditans as well, but here's a little bit firstly with yourself and then Xavier Daugherty talking about the, well, it was a tidal wave, but it wasn't a win. It all happened. It was quite incredible. A lot of one day cricket came to Tasmania. 22-year-old Pace Bola Brett Geeves, who had been in the Tazzy system since his teens, realized instantly that the superstar recruit would be speaking his mind. Almost immediately, he was telling truths to people in a group setting from a cricket perspective, which, if I'm honest, I really like. I gravitated to that. I liked his honesty and I certainly learned a lot from it, but I think because of the long-lasting impact that Greg Shepherd was going to have over that, particularly the mature players in that squad, and that was always a challenge. The older guys just weren't as receptive to Bevers, perhaps they could have been. On Saturday, September 24, Tasmania's preparations for the 2004-5 season ramped up a notch with what was billed as a three-day survival camp in Triabana on Tasmania's stunning East Coast. Bevers had landed in the state 24 hours earlier, straight from a county stint in the UK. Travis Burt was 22 at the time. Remember, I think we had two trips there and a beautiful East Coast that had a huge property and actually had a private beach. Geeves, we looked out to Mariah Island, and this parcel of land was truly majestic, but some of the activities we did were quite challenging, very physical, and I remember on the last day we had a triathlon, one person ran, one person rode a bike, and the next allotment swam. I remember being tagged, and I was the swimmer. I had to swim in the beach, so I were out in the water, and I was a decent swimmer in a pool, but I had no understanding of how to swim or navigate waves, and I was up against a bed boat, and he's a beach swimmer, and it was some performance. He had the little togs on, and I was a little body shy at that point, carrying a bit of weight, so I maybe even had a full-blown full-body rashion, but he put on a masterclass, and I just remember from that moment on, there was just this respect, because he was such a cuts figure, physically, like he was fierce and reds, and everyone else was kind of sloppy. A week later, the squad flew to Maruchito, or in Queensland, for three warm-up matches in seven days. The trip to the sunny coast, again, historically, had been a holiday, if I'm honest. We played some cricket, and we drank and ate out quite a bit, it was a nice way to start season, not on Bevo's watch, things were strained up, and conversations were had, and it really set the scene to the year. One of those conversations centered upon a cultural shift in Tasmania's interstate trips. Bevan and McFadden felt the Tigers' setup needed to evolve into a more family-friendly environment. Remember his doity. I certainly recall there were some angst when the wives and families wanted to start travelling with the team, and you see now it's just the dumb thing, and partners are always on tour. They're always kids around the hotel and all that sort of stuff, whereas I think in the early 2000s, it didn't really happen, particularly in shield cricket and Bevo having played a lot of international cricket. He was just used to his family being there, and some of the other players as well were quite comfortable with it, but there were some players who, more so the single players, I'd suggest we're comfortable having all the families around all the time. 28-year-old Michael Daiton had landed in Hobart from Perth a couple of seasons earlier. The middle-order batter noticed the way Bevan's focus on discipline rubbed against the grain. Yeah, I think he wasn't scared to probably challenge the status quo. We were a tightening group with a geographical nature of Hobart. We all lived very close to one another. We'd probably enjoyed ourselves maybe a little bit too much at times off the field, but it was kind of that. Yeah, it was that year where contracts were a thing, and it was becoming increasingly professional. We probably had a few guys from a bygone era, and not to say that they weren't outstanding leaders. Guys like Hills and Cox and a couple of the other elder states were outstanding leaders in their own right, but he came down and challenged the group, so at times, it's fair to say, particularly around our preparation. Yeah, but I want to keep going and going and going with this, because it is absolutely riveting. So it gets so good. So just to recap, it was 2004 when Bevan came across, he was the greatest one-day cricketer arguably in the history of the game. We get in a snapshot there of sort of that initial impact of when he got here, his professionalism, but also clearly happy to be very opinionated. Is that the field? Yeah, and with good reason. I mean, Bev was so good because of his attention to detail. I mean, if you do listen and you should listen, it's a cricketer.com initiative, Adam Burnett, did an extraordinary job in piecing that story together. And it was one that had to be told, I think, and Adam did a great job telling it, piecing that together nicely. But Bev, I was attention to detail, I mean, Freddie MacFajan talks later on in the podcast about three-hour net sessions in preparing for games, and there was no one. And I say this respectfully to the group of cricketers that were in that squad. No one was going to that level. And because as Michael Dyton, you heard Michael Dyton explain, the game was semi-professional effectively, the amount of money people were getting and people were having to work off to the side. And no one was able to fully commit to cricket at around that point. They were having to supplement with other different bits and pieces, Bev, obviously as an Australian contracted player and someone that had played international cricket for a long time, and was on quite a nice, high-level contract at that point as well, was able to fully commit. So I think the environment and the dynamic, you know, there was some crossover there of Bev's professionalism because he could, and that contract list at the time transitioning from semi-professional to a, you know, to a more professional time. But look, Bev told cricket truth, and I think, you know, in a similar way that leading teams became a thing in modern sport, you know, the opportunity to eyeball people in a big group and give honest truth around where they're failing and where they can improve. And there were some things said, and there were some little activities done, I can remember there was a, there was an activity where you had to write one sentence for every player in the squad, and that was then cut out, put into an envelope, and you could read, you know, so I got given 25 pieces of advice from the other members of the squad, play less golf, spend more time in the gym, you're lazy, you know, and they were fair, that was, you know, you know, I had to take that on the chin. Did you take it on the chin? I improved about four years later, yeah, but that's what we all do. But you had to, like, because that's the honest assessment of your peers. Some were mature enough to be able to deal with that, some weren't, and I think to add to that, finally, I'm sorry, I've waffled a bit here, but the other dynamic that strikes me now in reflection is that a lot of those senior players had Greg Shipett as a coach for a long time, and Shipett's relationship with those guys was more, I think, more friend than coach, and again, aligned to that semi-professional period of the game where guys worked, and the coach didn't have to be that strict, you know, demanding of expectation. Guys were playing exclusively on talent effectively, and that's not to say that their work ethic wasn't strong, because many of them it was, but there were a few that were playing exclusively on talent, and had a friendship with Shipy, so when this type of environment presents itself where you're being told that you're lazy, and that you don't work hard enough, and that, you know, these are senior players, that was new to them, because cricket, to that point, for the bulk of their careers, had been breezy, and Bev came in and told them that they needed to lift, and to be honest, he was right. In terms of that, being a professional level cricketer, and that's where cricket was transitioning to, that's the piece that you have to remember. Incredible career, incredible time, and it wasn't all rises in candy, because he did clearly and still to the day, a few people at the wrong way, and to tell the whole story, I mean, Bev though, for his whole last 20 years, he's always seem to run into some issues, so there's an abrasiveness, I assume, of some description where he has perhaps not been the most negotiable person, would that be a good way to put a little bit? I'll tell you what was negotiable before I got it, he's 1,200 runs that year. You were 1,400? No, it wasn't 1,250, 1,400 and 1,400 was that. I was only checking that. I mean, I just, I just told you before, about one day, when he was Harwood, Harwood's siddle who was so, he was quick. But Lewis was the quickest of all of them, and Lewis, and he was just kept talking to me. Well, I was out there, but I battled with him for a stint in that game, and I was like, I've never... Oh, gosh. Yeah, and this perception of Bev though, not being able to play the short ball, absolutely. You know, he proved that in his test stuff against South Africa. Yes, Wendy's in South Africa, rightly. Yeah, but what people don't realise is that his attention to detail, he goes away, seeks counsel of a baseball professional in terms of how to swing the ball horizontally, swing the bat horizontally, you know, and play those shots. Is that the right word, Harwood? Yeah. Definitely not vertical. Not vertical. No. No, that would be the modern day, the ramp, wouldn't it, of course. But one thing, and really quickly, we'll end this on a positive, it's quite funny. I was 12th man, quite a bit throughout that '04, '05, pure cup campaign. And so I service Bev though almost the entire year as the 12th man, so I'm running drinks, I'm running waters. So my very first game was 12th man, was at the MCG, I'd never done it before. I had very little understanding as to what the requirements were. So we've filtered, I sat myself up in the air conditioned unit, which was a second tier effectively of the MCG, I had no idea that the bowlers would want drinks, I had no idea I had to be out there at drinks. I was the worst 12th man of all time. Bev though, but it almost for two days, I think he scored 180 or 170 or something, and he told me, upfront, you are the worst 12th man I have ever seen in my entire life. And he gave it to me, gave it to me, gave it to me. We get to the gabber and they're doing this full refurbishment of the gabber. So the players' rooms are in again the second tier and to access the ground, you have to go down a lift to then get out into the middle of the ground. So a wicked falls, I'm off maybe making myself a toaster sandwich, Bev though is batting and he's on heaps at this point. The batter goes into the lift, I miss the lift. So I'm stuck on the middle tier of the gabber, the incoming batters in the lift, he's headed down, I've got to wait for the lift to come up, I get in and I've never run so fast. I run past the new batter and I just make it a bev, I'm sweating, I'm stressed and he's watched me run this whole way, I get all the way out and he goes, I don't need a drink. Just deliberately, probably, incredible. Just amazing, like I laughed, he didn't laugh, I thought it was hilarious but that was bev though. The podcast is brilliant, it's called Bev and Cent, stories after stumps and we're not even touching the surface of our stories that have been told, some great, some good, some indifferent, some revealing. Have a listen, it's absolutely brilliant. Let's go to break, we'll continue rolling on, we've got a huge show in front of us, we're going to talk heaps, the 40 heaps of oops, stay with us. This is Saturday's Intazzy with David Lithgow and Brett Geeves. Great, happy with the start of the game, Brett Geeves, with you this morning. Can you hear the T20 just sort of fizzled out a bit over in the US and the West Indies press? There's some poor wickets, I think hasn't helped, some low scoring affairs and those wickets have looked tired as the tournaments have gone on, maybe a lack of quality grounds to be used as we've progressed into the more, I shouldn't say more important games, but the feature games, finals and marquee parts of the round robin, so yeah that'll be lessons learned for the windies and the US if they are to host again that lack of quality facilities I think is created tired wickets as the tournaments are being finished, better and fun, it's like a guy in our own, geez you had to jump in there didn't you? No, no just to put a bit of perspective on it, but give me a bow, look absolutely, it's just fizzled out, obviously maybe with a stride not being involved, Bangladesh and Afghanistan there was some real interest then, but what we know is it's India and South Africa, it would be good for South Africa and cricket if I could, we don't reckon wouldn't it? Well look to be honest, probably not, it'd be good if they won the test match world cup because they're... Sure, but I'm trying to be optimistic about it, maybe. Yeah, no, no, I get it, I get it, but this has been part of the problem for South Africa and cricket is that the T20 revolution has bought an influx of individual money to players and they've decided to sign and go down the franchise path rather than play for their country from a test match in one day perspective. I think cricket's got some, it's got to take a direction at some point, is it one day cricket dying, is it done, are we done with it, does it become T20s and test matches, I'm not sure which way it goes, I mean I know that the cash is obviously in T20 cricket, the IPL is being... Folding stuff. It's been expanded again, that seems to run forever, I did hear the potential of you know, that the IPL franchises controlling those contracted players, so if Josh Hazelwood wants to play test match cricket, he would need to be released from whichever IPL team he's signed with to be allowed to go and do that, now that would drastically impact the way we see cricket and what would be made available to us, so let's hope that never happens. Well the West Indies are calling for next year, Curly Ambrose has come out and said please, let's not have these two test series anymore, we need three testies right, you can't possibly argue with that, so let's try to do by the way in West Indies this time next year. Well that was one all in the end wasn't it, that test series with the windies, the young quick who... And it's obviously there's a level of arrogance in suggesting that a two test match series is enough, now the reason you would go down two test match series is because you feel like you have a clear winner, someone's going to win both those games and the third will become a dead rubber and will be a waste from a spectator and find, it's not going to net you any money, it may even cost you money because the test matches over and it's the windies and who cares but they got that horribly wrong because everyone cared and it always became the point where people and I won't name them within my friendship groups started to barge for the West Indies because of that, because of that arrogance and when you lay that out people want to back in the underdog even if it means going against your country. There is conversations about it, I think there's talk, I think that might happen and that'd be super important, you know, great to hear the great curtly Ambrose when we luckiest kids to watch those incredible, oh my gosh, the quick windies had before our time then the late '80s and '90s, my gosh, it was incredible, it'd be great to get them back playing some deuce and cricket, you know, I mean look that's why it is good for them to host that over there, it's ironic, it's irony that it's highest though of course because West Indies cricket struggled so much because they've all gone for the cash probably more than any other, you know, more than South Africa probably even, they've just done the world circuit in a million plus a year, what would you do, take you 170 or would you go around the world and earn a million? To really give you a question because I've got to be, I think the cash is where you go. I'll be brutally honest, the representation was the big thing for me so I would struggle a million dollars, come on, maybe, but I do think with the West Indies, their best chance and we saw this in this Test Match series is go and find the fastest and scariest fast bowlers across all of the lands because that is how you're going to capture the interest of cricket lovers throughout the world, it's your fast bowling that has always been the calling and the cavalier batting hasn't worked, so find some safe batters, stump up four of the fastest bowlers across all the lands and set yourself on a journey. Look, let's hope so, cricket is in a funny spot, but yeah, you just don't want to always be about England, India and Australia and that's the concern, can we just get a couple of these former powerhouses up to scratch, great to have you with us on a Saturday morning, we're going to go to the new short end and then we're going to talk hoops and heaps of it, with Rylan Styles, he's the beat writer with Oklahoma Thunder, we'll talk about Giddy, we'll talk about the trades and everything else that's happening in the great game of hoops. Good morning to wherever you are, he's fine to hunt that morning day but he's got a good jeeps with you for the next hour and a half, we're going to talk some hoops, shortly talking to Rylan Styles about the NBA, Monster Monster Week, did you, you wouldn't have watched the second round, would you have checked out at the first round of the draft, no I didn't watch it but I was actively scrolling Twitter and refreshing, yeah, it's, I actually don't mind the concept of having it over two days, I think the NFL would do that, they wouldn't do that right, the NFL has their draft in, across three days maybe, but a couple more picks I think in the NFL, 50 picks, 60 picks for the NBA but yeah, it's what the NBA does really well, I mean we had the finals wrap up, you know, it was a complete domination from the Celtics all throughout the playoffs and the regular season, the worthy winner, so they hold their title up and then within a week we've almost forgotten who won, you know, it's been a week, I'd say within three days, no one's talking about it, one of the which is great because it's Boston, we're not interested, one of the, you know, the stories has been super prominent is the LeBron James's son, Bronnie, has been drafted to Lakers, pick 55 but if you watched any ESPN or any Americans, any American media, you would think he was picked one and averaged 37 points in college, well it's kind of, it's a little infuriating in that, you know, pick 55 happened and then they missed the two picks before, the three picks after, like it was a 15 minute segment, now I get the historical nature of the first father-son greatest player of all time, it's absolutely mind-blowing, but also don't, you should never discredit the four draft picks around that, those people, those players, they deserve their brief moment as well and there's plenty of opportunity to talk about Bronnie, as we've seen in the last 12 months and then the next 12 months will come, what I'm saying Dave is that during the draft itself, he needed to be just another player, it's been four minutes on him like everyone else and then before, he seems an extremely humble young man, and I didn't say that, I didn't say that, it is, I didn't say that, it is one of the most incredible stories that I've ever said, David, and you lead on e-word, the American media, disrespected, disrespected the draft is what I said, it's show business fresh, okay, so you're now, you're now Stephen, I'm a Smith fan, but you can understand, it is show business, it does look Ron James, why with his son, you can't have both, that's the story, that is the story, you're happy that they disrespected the five guys surrounding him, what do you mean disrespect, I watch the whole lot, yes it was all about Bronny, on the second day, absolutely, so that means they disrespected those guys, everyone was drafted, Jonathan Giovanni came on, and why, and they said, Giovanni is unbelievable, in 45 seconds every player, this, this isn't this, what their skill set was, the poor kids, the poor kid traded the Phoenix, did not get a look in, Brett, you didn't even watch it, so you already put yourself dug, you're driving straight away. I did watch it because Dallas were very close to being on the clock, the Dallas trade wasn't announced, so no one had any idea that the pick 51 from Dallas, from New York had gone to Dallas, their selection was Dallas, they announced pick 58 as a Dallas selection, and purely because, purely because David, it was the Bronny 25 minutes, they disrespected the draft, it is, but no one cares about the fact that someone did a pick swap at 57, what are you talking about, are you surprised that all of this, it's show business, and it was magnificence, David, I live in Hobart, I live here you're the broad and hate spam, I won't hear it, so sometimes your low IQ gets a better review, but I live in Hobart, and I'm a Dallas fan, and I care, so imagine, imagine about the Dallas people, the squillings of them that live in Texas, the families, like, make people care, and they, unfortunately, they disrespected the draft, my take on the thing is, is different to yours, obviously, and it is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen, the boy had a heart attack 11 and a half months ago, last year was the nightmare, the whole program was the nightmare, is he guaranteed to make it, of course he's not, I know, I give him a shot, I know, and that's been celebrated, that's what's been celebrated for 12 months, and it will be celebrated for another 12 months, in that moment of the draft you have to respect the draft, is my point, if you had your way, we'd be talking about the Tim Hardaway trade yesterday, which no one gives a content about, great to have you with this, we're going to talk to Rollins, Styles, very shortly about more hoops, it's going to be great because we can have a three-way, and I just don't have to chip away at you for the next 20 minutes. This is Saturday's Intazzy, with David Lithgow, and Brett James. Great to have you with us on a Saturday morning, flash in Jeevesy, with you chewing through the first hour already, we've already touched talking a little bit of hoops, and it has been a fabulous week for any person that loves basketball, you and I certainly fit that profile, Brett, although we do disagree on a few opinions about it, and that's the beauty of anything to do with the Lakers and the Swans, yep, happy to be part of the other end of that argument. Without further ado, we've joined by someone we've had on a little bit early in the year, he's the beat writer of the Oklahoma City Thunder, Roland Styles, good morning to you. Good morning, how are you doing? Good, thank you my friend, great to have you with us. How have you as a basketball nothing in the city been over the last few days and soaking it all in, because it's been an extended big eight days for you, and I guess starting with wasn't really a bombshell, I think if we've all been watching it closely, but the Josh Giddy tried about eight days ago to the Chicago Bulls. Let's start there. What was your initial thoughts? Yeah, I thought that it was interesting timing to do it so soon and right before the draft, but I think that whenever you kind of look at all the pieces, as you mentioned, of the way things were trending, it wasn't shocking that it actually went that way of Josh going to a new team. Obviously, you know, the Thunder had a different vision for what Josh's season could look like next year, and I don't think that anyone can be upset with the 21-year-old heading into a contract year, not wanting to come off the bench, not wanting to take on a more reduced role. So I think that he got a really good end of the deal going to Chicago. You look at what Billy Donovan has been able to do with guards before, specifically handling multiple guards. You know, he once had a lineup of Shay, goodness shooter, and Chris Paul, and had them working and yelling together, when no one really thought that that would be possible to play three guards at one time of their stature. So Billy Donovan, no stranger to maximizing guards. That's excellent for Josh Giddy heading into a contract year. For the Thunder, they immediately upgraded the roster in terms of trying to win a champion chip with an all defensive member who shoots 40% from three, and more seamlessly fits that role that they were trying to have Josh do last year. Certainly, Roland, from a straight basketball perspective, the fit with Caruso, with Shay, and Chet, and Williams, he's perfect, fits well, play off the ball, doesn't need the ball. He's not a playmaker. So there's no doubt from a straight basketball swap. I think it works well for both. The question I wanted to ask was around Giddy's stock, and from a straight basketball perspective, is he underrated? I mean, you've watched a lot of him. His straight basketball skill seems to be unfairly criticized, particularly in America because he's left here in Australia. Right, but by people who are just watching the games from their couch and things like that, he is absolutely undervalued and over criticized. I think that people don't take into account how unfairly that he was treated in the sense of a basketball way. The organization, they got so good so fast, and they had to put him in a role that was completely different than one that they drafted him into. And I think that even Australians who love Josh Giddy to death can admit that if you looked at Josh Giddy's game and said, "Well, this year he's going to play away from the ball, he's going to be a spot-up three-point shooter and going to have to rebound and play defense," you would not have projected him to be very good in that role. But to Josh's credit, he spent the whole year doing that trying his best to improve in those areas and never made a complaint, never made a fuss publicly or anything like that and just kind of forward his time until the offseason where the two sides could kind of come to an agreement that this wasn't best for his career. So I think that publicly, in terms of the fan sentiment, they don't give him enough credit for the trials he had to go through this year on the court playing a really non conducive role for his skill set. I think in the NBA, you just saw that his values actually not tanked the way that fans think it is because in the AGMs and NBA front offices, they're a lot smarter than us and they can kind of see through that of, yes, he's not producing really well in his third year with the thunder, but they're asking to do something that we never thought would be possible for him. Like going back to his draft class, if you were going to envision Josh Giddy reaching his entire ceiling and reaching the best version of himself, it did not include any of the traits he was asked to do this year with a thunder and so they can see that if we put him in a more role that he'll play for the Olympics with the boomers and it'll play with the bulls, he's going to look a ton better and he's going to look more closer to that top 10 pick that the thunder views on him. So I think that internally within the NBA walls, his value is much higher than externally because fans just don't go that deep into the layers of their criticism. What are the people in your world think? And I reckon it'll be a mixed bag and I'm sure everyone is really happy with the crew, so I know that's a great fit. That's on paper, it looks perfect, but does some of your peers reflect and think, you know what, this dude is still 21 years of age? Is he shot broken? Maybe it's not, maybe he's just 21 and he met by the time he's 25, he's got his three up to 38-39% from what he's doing and you know he played in the most foreign positions. Is it mixed across Oklahoma City? I'm sure it is or have I got that wrong? Yeah so I think that like at the end of the season when the when the dust settled after the playoff series, it was a mix of, this guy's only 21 years old, for all we know this was a blip on the radar and it was a down year, so it was not a consensus just go give up on Josh City. However, when the trade was then made and the thunder and Josh himself revealed that you know he did not want to come off the bench, but when you take that when you take that component away and you say, well this is a guy that does not want to come off the bench, then you just run into the exact same problems you ran into this year where you still can't maximize what makes him so good, and so I think that the common theme is we all around Oklahoma City who like are in the know, I think that we all appreciate how good of a basketball player that Josh will be starting in a couple of weeks when the Olympics start and going through Chicago and going through the rest of his NBA career, and I think that everyone's happy for him that he can now in his contract near, you know, maximize that skill set because on ball players get paid a lot of money and he will now be finally on ball and it was always an awkward trade with him next to you say, so I think that people thought it could work like three weeks ago, but when the trade went down and the thunder revealed that it went down partly because he did not want to come off the bench, then everyone kind of understood it and there was no hard feelings for Josh because who can really blame him for not wanting to come off the bench. There's been, excuse me, sorry as I swallow a fly, this breaking news, in fact, a full trade here role, and so to John T. Murray's been traded from Atlanta to the New Orleans pelicans for Larry Nance, Dyson Daniels, the 2025 first round pick by the Lakers, and the 27 first round pick least favorable of bucks and pearls, so there you go, some breaking, NBA trade news, what's been the trade and that's kind of caught your eye the most outside of the giddy trade? Or the pick, or the pick, yeah. Yeah, I think that one of the biggest surprises outside of the whole Josh stuff, because I think that I think that the Josh trade reaction again was met with a bit of too much surprise from the outside looking in, because people did not account for how much value Josh still held within front offices, as his value in the front office was not the same as it was on like Twitter, and this and this is John T. Murray thing is surprising, you know, and not to use it as a risky bias trade, but it's surprising that the Hawks got back Dyson Daniels, who is the guy that I think is worth investing in, is just seeing what he can become similar to Josh in a better environment for him with more minutes to a little after him, and it being entirely tick based along with Larry Neitz Jr. to match salary, that might signal that the Hawks are willing to just move on from everybody involved, from Clint Capella and from Trey Young, so if it goes that route then this trade becomes one of the more interesting ones, but I think that it was also very interesting to see Rob Billingham as one of the picks, to see him get selected in the top 10 after many people thought he would slide and then get traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves who are already one of the big contenders out west, so I think that was a little surprising. I think the thing with the Spurs too, just actually rather than taking another fly, actually putting those first rounders about seven years in advance was a little bit strange, but very critical to I guess at all of that organization, they picked up a good one later in Ingram, probably a nice pick in the 40s as well. How do you now reflect on it all in terms of the changing guard for next year, the thunder, the number one seed, what's going to change a little bit you think, especially at Western, try and stay pace for the Celtics who really finished the year and heads and shoulders above everybody? Yeah, I think that for the thunder, as of right now, what's really changed is that they just slotted Caruso into Giddy's role and Caruso can do those things that Giddy was asked to do. I mean Giddy's a better playmaker and a better rebounder whenever Giddy's engaged, he's a better rebounder, Caruso, a better defender and a better three point shooter, so I think that for the thunder style, they've been able to capitalize on that as much as you can in terms of improving some very important areas. The off season, of course, just starting, so we'll see what else the thunder do, but as of right now, whenever you couple in the Caruso, you know, upgrade and whenever you add in some expected development from Chet and Jada and development from Case and Wallace and the rest of their roster, they're still primed to be a very top team in the West. We've got to get to a break here, but in a word, you've got an abundance of cap space to play with the OKC. Would you bring in Paul George? I don't think that that'd be realistic just because I think that he ultimately wants to stay on the West Coast, but it would be fun. It would be. Can't wait to talk to you again, mate. The next two weeks or thereabouts are going to be incredible with the trades. A big one happened there before with Murray going to New Orleans. I probably secretly wanted him as a like his person maybe to join the brawn, but didn't happen. Ronnie did, however, wrong. We could talk about that all day and we'll catch you another time to talk about it. Ronald Styles, good luck and busy couple of weeks in the trade world in the NBA. Thank you so much. This is Saturday's Intazzy with David Lithgow and Brett Jeeves. What's exploring Hobart residential commercial interior design experts tonight, of course, the Mavs are in town, catch the Melbourne Mavericks as they take on the Sunshine Coast, lightning at my state bank arena. We'll have it here on SCN tickets at ticket tech, which would be an absolute packed house tonight at my state. Can't wait to be part of that. Texas coming through on 0437 552535. 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Yes, James, his pick was always going to be huge, but it shouldn't be expensive. The other kids, Jason from Hauer, I'm not sure if I'll check his mobile number as well. But great stories, great conversations to have, and it was great to talk hoops in the last half an hour with Roland Stiles with an ounce of luck. I think Damien Gill may have joined us this morning and what's been another huge week in Tasmanian sport. Gilly, are you there? He's not here just yet. We'll just keep Chamel coming down the line shortly. The big boss in town, so Andrew Dillon stepped foot in town with the entourage. The whole lot of them boarded the flight and landed in Hobart. I've heard a couple of things, Brett. What were your takeaways before we and Gilly will join us? My takeaways from the conversations I had yesterday with certain people was there was a lot of development in terms of the ground itself and what's happening there, which is just in a long, long way further advance than probably any of us thought. Let's hope so. With an ounce of luck, we can talk to Gilly about that. But it's 400 million to move the sewage plant. 700 million was said Roland Brown. Did you see that thing? No, did you see that thing the other day where he, Mr. Brown, former guns advocate, we're great guns advocate. He made his name, I guess, for being that person that didn't want to say guns anywhere in Tasmanian. It's great. He said, because he's been the biggest critic on the socials about the state. He said it could cost 1.9 billion and 2.6 billion and keeps going up and up. And Josh Willy challenged him the other day. And he went in the statements going, no, I don't have a source. I heard it. I was told through somebody else that that's what happened. And so you don't have a source. No, it does feel like 1.9 billion. Once you take into account the prep work that's got to be done. So 400 million to move the sewage plant, which I think is headed out to where my office is, which is only mildly concerning. Did they safeguard the smell of that? Is there a huge brick wall that just stops the pong rolling down the hill towards me, let's hope so. But, okay, so that the stadium's advanced? The stadium is advancing in a big way. Anything else come from that? In terms of your sources? No, it was a very positive conversation. That's for sure. Yeah, stuff's moving forward. We'll be good to talk to Gillie about it, because he would know a lot more than I, whether he has time to or he has to know how to actually tell it all, as it is. We'll find out shortly when he joins us tonight. Or last night, the Melbourne who led for most of the game probably paid there almost their best game of the season. It feels short against the Brisbane Lions. It was a huge game, 86 to 81, 5 point victory to the Lions. I kind of say I agree. I watched that game in its entirety. Melbourne was super impressive. Geez, they hunted the man. They tackled ferociously for the entire game. It felt like they were a bit stiff. Brisbane just rode a little wave at the back end, caught some momentum. Puma cluggages go late. It was special. Got him over the line. They did get him over the line. Maybe that's just the final little burst for Melbourne. Maybe that was their chance to... That could be why we haven't got Gillie this morning. He's a huge Melbourne fan. He might just be crying somewhere. I did, perhaps shouldn't have only text off, because they were flying. They got their lead out to four goals thereabouts. It was just one of those old 50-50 games where there's consequences. Of course, the Brisbane who trail by 25 points, they're coming now. I think they're the ones, a little bit of, as one of the other teams hoping to maybe have a chance to win a flag, they make me nervous of these. You know who impacted that game last night in a manner that I didn't feel possible, given his age and coming off a 12-month knee reconstruction was Will Ashcroft? Oh, yeah, 20? Oh, my goodness. His ability to find the ball and then use it, makes good decisions. And first game to know VFL, no Quaffle, no pre-game prep, straightened the AFL, killed him. Damien Gill has joined us this morning and we won't break apart that Melbourne game, but although you're going to drop them like a bag of off-donuts, soon as Tazzy comes in, you do love your Melbourne demons. And you've probably played as well as they have all year. Yeah, that was our best performance all year, no question. Didn't get the result, but the footy was actual demons footy, which we haven't seen at all this year and the pressure and the hunted. We got a young team in at the moment and it was pretty impressive. Yeah, I was happy with what I saw last night, albeit a bit gutted at the end. My spies tell me everyone's happy with what happened with Andrew Dillon this week. Internally, there was some really good stuff. Is my sources good that was a really positive couple of days with the big boffer in town, Gillie? Yeah, it was great to have him in town. He came and met the crew at AFL Taz and spent a bit of time with us, which was fantastic. And obviously spent a bit of time with the Premier and others out at Macquarie Point. Everything was positive as far as he was concerned and other members of the executive that also traveled with him. And I think all the noises were things are on track and pleased with the progress. And now I think like everyone, I'm sort of just excited and awaiting what's to come next around the stadium and that detailed design that is expected in the next few weeks, which then we'll all know a little bit more. Let Laid out for us, Gillie. Just give us a little scoop here if you can, just to detail us something that's just a little nickel, just a little ripple. Oh, I don't have much for you because I wasn't in this stadium meeting. I was hoping you'd crumble then and just leak something. Yeah, no. I don't have much for you except to say, I sort of draw confidence off the confidence of Andrew, to be honest. He was feeling good about things. So you can only be heartened by that and where things are progressing. And clearly there's a lot going on in the infrastructure space in between the training administration centre and the stadium. And there's a lot of work that needs to be done and there's some tight timelines. But everyone was pretty pleased with where things are at. So as I say, I'm pretty heartened by that. I think one of the big positives obviously is now the political support that's been stumped up for both the stadium and the high performance centre. Luke Edmonds during the week offering labour support for the Rosney site. That would obviously provide a high level of positivity for yourself and Andrew Dillon. Yeah, no doubt to speak personally, I just think that's been magnificent for everyone involved. It's taken a lot of the heat out of it. It means we can actually work through the issues of the day on their merits, rather than any sort of political point scoring. I think it's really healthy and yeah, I think it's been fantastic that we're now in that space and it's really changed the conversation. So yeah, I thoroughly agree with you there. Let's, I'm going to bring you back to local footies. So we'll move from the dream and the clouds of what might be the conversation we have with former Premier Peter Gutwin, who's now advocating for the Scott Star Football Club as the number one ticket holder. He was scathing of North Launceston last week. I'm not sure we've got the audio, but to paraphrase him, the word arrogant was used, glass half full, glass half empty was an analogy used as well. Did you hear that? And what is your take on when North Launceston currently sit with regard, you know, the shift back to regional football? Oh, I always listen to the Saturdays in Tazzy, so of course. Yeah, it was, he was strong, wasn't he, Peter? What I will say is glad someone have played his skills and experiences is getting involved at Scott's Dale and that course has a really good leader in him. So I think that's fantastic. A bit sick to death of the North Launceston discussion, if I must, I prefer to just more focus on moving forward and getting these Premier League's really humming in all three regions and there's a suitable competition there for them. Clearly they had a club meeting and work through a process they needed to with their members, which I think in a lot of respects is really quite healthy. And now I'm hopeful we can all get on with things and get on with making the best of 2025 and beyond. And I think what I do agree is we do need to be glass half full. There was a world before the Tasmanian State League where Northern footy was healthy. I just don't accept this notion that Northern footy can't support a strong Premier League in their own right. It's adults with what I know of footy in the North and they produce talent in spades and they'll continue to. And I think it's really healthy. More clubs look to step up and have more talented players and more options for players. So yeah, I think we need to move into that phase and move beyond the discussions that have been had. And I'm hopeful we're on the right track with that. Gillian, I know you're desperate to move forward from this conversation but just one last one on North Launceston. Obviously, you know, talk and they've consulted the members in terms of, you know, how to progress moving forward. Is there a deadline on their commitment to regional footy? Because it sounds like there's still, you know, unsure as to what the future holds for the club and whether or not they'll actually commit to the Premier League next year. No, the communication to us has been that they'll be looking to push forward into the Premier League. So I don't think it's up in the air. I think that came out of the meeting with the club. Clearly, there's process that needs to be worked through with the NTFA and its clubs, which will happen in due course. And I think there's some bridges to be mended all over the place. Hopefully that can happen sooner rather than later. And then we can work together around making this Premier League really strong and something that's really healthy. Will it be perfect day one? Probably not. But it will be a lot better if we can all get on the same page and work together to make the best of what's in place and also bring ideas to the table, share experience, share skills. Hopefully, we're not far away from getting there. But in terms of commitment, both Launceston and North Launceston are on the right track in terms of Premier League for 2025. Burning bridges, I find a little bit of an interesting one. But I think the fire was lit from the Scottsdale North Launceston rivalry. That's what I'm excited about and let's get that going. It's going to take a couple of years. But that's what it's all about. Fire it up, get the local footy going. Well, just to speak to that flash and sorry, Gillie, I'll jump in here just for a second. But North Launceston will want to dominate that competition after the 12 months of talk that we're too good. It's unfair for us and they would want to win the next four flags to be able to back up the level of state and Scots style winning the fifth. So that'll be the last one. But in all seriousness, the local footy, I think we can do some really good things. The announcement, it looks all but certain 2026 for the V fail timeline. Gillie, that seems to be coming out to this a little bit more certainty. Have I got that right? Yeah, so we're working towards 2026 with respect to V fail, V fail, W and worth announcements in the coming weeks around what 2025 looks like because there will be something for our aspirational men and women that is a step towards the journey on V fail, V fail, W and A fail, W and that will be really exciting. And it will be something value adds to the footy landscape down here. And the big thing I want, and I think I've said to you guys many times, I'm sick to death of players leaving our state to apply their trade in other leagues. And exactly right. And so what we're looking to put in place is something that is a building block to arrest that and keep our talent here. And clearly, once we've got a V fail, V fail, W, A fail and A fail, W, the pathway is impeccable, to be honest, from the academy's right through. So our talent will stay here and it will be corrective for good. But yeah, we've got some exciting announcements coming with respect to 2025, which I think will signal the intent of footy in our state and where we're headed. And I know before you said, Jeezy, if and what may happen, as far as I'm concerned, it's happening with respect to the AFL and AFLW. And we all just need to be a bit like Peter Guttwin and be a bit glass half full and project for with some confidence and put plans in place that make footy better right across the board. Not the best day for the women in Queensland last week with a comprehensive win by the Queensland girls. True goodbye, almost 10 goals. In the men's game, that was a dominant performance. So it put in on 20 goals, another win to the map in the best players in the local league down here. Our women, I think, ran into probably the standard barrow when it comes to women's footy in Australia. Queensland's like women's footy is so strong. And we've seen that with the Brisbane Lions over the years and the talent coming through the state. So that's really good to come up against where the standard is and see the measuring stick. And the thing I was proud of is like early doors. It didn't look great for our girls. They actually stayed in the fight, made a game of it late and showed a bit of grit and showed something that they can build off for the next game up against Sydney/Cambra on July 20. So I was really proud of that effort and endeavour. Our men, boy, they were slick, to be honest. I was thoroughly impressed with the application, the buying, and just the footy, to be honest, like the ball movement, the skills on show. It sizzled around and, yeah, that first quarter was mighty impressive. And then Queensland put up the challenge and then we again served the dominance and ran away with it. So incredible win. And again, that just shows the talent we produce in Tasmania. But it also shows that our boys, when they put that map on, they walk a little taller, they try a little harder, and the endeavour and the sacrifice that goes in when they wear the map is something to behold and makes us a real force in revenue. It s exciting. And did you see anyone put your talent scouting? I know who was one of the younger players in particular in the game that impressed you and you thought, gee, you know, a couple of years time in the very field. I want him on our list. Young Harry Bales off half back really impressed me. Someone told me that. It was really, really good. But to be honest, there was fantastic performances across the board. Bailey Bogue was a game I really liked. A boy out of Bernie. He s won just about every medal on the Northwest Coast. And he won the players' player last week. And he just, he s fight, he s hands in traffic. He was fantastic. But to be honest, there weren t too many players that didn t have a good day for us, such was our performance. Really, really impressive. Kieran Lovell with nearly 40 touches, Brad Cox good year with another dominating Tassie game. Does he get up Brad in two years? Is he still around for just playing that team? You d like him, wouldn t you? Bradley, of course, he works with it. I felt his name in an hour. So, if I say no, it would be a bit dirty on me. No, you wouldn t bet against him. No, it wouldn t. He would be going hard for it. And in a lot of ways, would deserve it. Been such a good representation of Tassie 40 for such a long period and continues to drive standards for 40 in our state. Great to have you on with us, Gillie. He s exciting times and 40 in this state. You re very much in the thick of it. It s great to see the merchandise with the devil s getting out. Heaps and heaps and heaps and heaps of jumpers have been sold. We re just starting this journey. It won t be the last time we talked to you. Thanks for jumping on, mate. No, thanks, guys. Have a good morning. Damien Gill, joining us this morning. Bress, it is going to get better and better talking 40 out of the next six months, 12 months, two years, three years. And we get closer and closer to it. It is, it is very exciting. I be honest, the whole having reflected this week on the conversation we have with former Premier England was exciting. I m really looking forward to this Premier League taking place in the north of the state. I m going to the first Scottsdale North Launcest. I m driving up for it. And I reckon there are some others that will do the same. It will be an either-nighter. Look at Scottsdale a long way to go. Let s really clear. I have one again this year, but financially reasonably secure. And I know talking to some people during the week that they have really started the process of getting the right people in. But look at that, we would be fabulous. It just felt like Peter Guttman might just get the Black Panther out in a singlet. Stumpy is way out to fall back against North Launceston and put on a master class of physicality. I sure you would like to. Because that s what I took from that. He was properly up at about for Scottsdale. Willing to run through a brick wall. Just amazing. One of the big things here is my hope is with us. It really fires up the local footy. Not only up there, of course, down here as well. A couple more texts though. I half read the other one. I ll get through the rest of it. Morning Lad s interested in your view on Navy Warner s interview regarding the Sandpaper Gate. Do you think that may affect his legacy as Australian cricket? A rob from Haber to know from me, but I m sure for a lot of people it s a yes. It does, but I hope it doesn t. Because, and I think in time, we ll get some more clarity around that day. All right, great to have you with us. Asian Stadium has arrived in Tasmania. It s available. Utahs and Bluntz Norena for all our field matches. Listen to the SE in call with zero delay. No Wi-Fi recorded for the ultimate game day experience. Just go to the S-E-N app. This is Saturday s in Tazzy with David Lithgow and Brett Geeves. Of course, Brett Geeves in the ad was watching the Biden vs Trump highlights of some of that absolute circus. Where is the world at, David? If that s the best America can stump up from the leadership perspective? On one hand, you ve got an 81-year-old who I think is extremely intelligent. He s a much better human than the other bloke, and that s just my opinion, and many will disagree with me. But he s 81 old, and he s an old 81. My old man s 86, and he s probably in B. He ll see you in better shape. What about them arguing over golf handicaps? That was an other player. And then on the other hand, you ve got everyone raving about what a comprehensive and wonderful victory it was from Donald Trump. When he just sits there and talks rubbish, lies. I know they ll listen in everywhere, so I don t want to be too rude about Mr Donald Trump s listening in this morning. Well, he d have some spy listening in the S-E-N app, just to make sure that we weren t talking badly on him, but I don t know. Through your phone, mate. Probably. He s just a poor human. Anyway, that s okay. We re not going to bang on about Joe Paul Hernandez. It is hilarious, because you wonder how the hell just how does it happen? You just, I don t know how it happens. Let s get to news. Lauren, we re all being least coming up after this. We re going to talk to Lauren. We ll talk a little bit more footy, but just like that, it s about us nine. Thanks for coming. This morning, wherever you might be listening to us here on S-E-N, Tasmania David Lithgow, Brett Geeves with you. The line is winning by five points last night. In the footy, this afternoon, the revitalised North Melbourne kangaroos are playing the Western Bulldogs, the high-flying swans are playing the ever-improving Fremantle Dockers, the sons and the pies, and tonight it s the crows, giants, and the cats in Essendon. If you just look at the betting with all of those games, apart from the swans framing, they re all 50/50s. This ladder, Brett, it s so tight. Look, if you just park Sydney for a bit, the rest of them, there s two games between second and tenth, and then eleventh and twelfth and thirteenth. You ve still got Hawthorne and Western Bulldogs, and maybe some of us think they might be able to challenge the eight. I think this is one of the best runnings to a final series. I can remember. Yeah, it s pretty exciting, and that s why last night s game in the pre-match, it was Melbourne have to win for their season. Well, not quite. Not quite. It was a big game. Yeah, a big game, obviously, given that the winner becomes potentially a game out of the four, half a game out of the four. We were chatting about the media before and the hype, and it gets a little exaggerated. But Melbourne showed plenty last night that if they can replicate that footy from here through to the end of the season, I think they re going to make the finals. That was good footy, that played in the footy, or they can replicate that. The challenge, I mean, they had a couple of kids. It was a first-gamer. Name escapes me. It was super impressive. Brown last week. Yeah, he was a bit quite last night. They just had a couple of kids last night that showed a little bit. Whereas when you look at the kids at Collin would have played, they ve been a step out, which has caused them to lose some games. So, no, I thought it was quite exciting for Melbourne last night, and certainly the run home fans should feel pretty positive about what they saw. Yeah, look, I just not sure they will make the aid. I mean, if you look at Swans, obviously guaranteed top two, then you ve got Blues on 40, Essen on 38, Collin with 36. Now Brisbane up to 5th on 34 points. If that had lost last night, they could have been 10th by the end of this round. Well, look, I mean, the cats are 8th at the moment, and they are sliding. Yeah, we ve got them coming out. Yeah, we ve got them coming out. I think so. That s pretty safe. So they re out for the rest of the year. Hawkins extended stint, although that might be a bit of a blessing, which is hard because Tom Hawkins is one of the greatest fours, seven to 96 goals. Incredible, but this year has been a challenge for him. He looked like he s got tippy toes this year, doesn t he? It s just half a stride behind. And that s what happens when he gets a bit older, but he s the game s record holder. So, he had to play this year, I think, to tick off some things, whether we see him again. Let s hope we do just for one last hurrah. But so, the cats are sliding, the giants are kind of sliding. I ve got them in. I think they ll make it, but they re not playing their best footy, Port Adelaide are sliding. Doggies always have a question mark. Don t get the read. Gold Coast are a question mark. So, you kind of think, oh, hang on. Was one more team after that? Hawthorn. And we re not talking about the Hawks. Yes, we are. They re 13th. They re one of the last four. They re a game out of the age. Of course, we re talking about the Hawks. Look at that. No. Well, I ve got them in my calculations. Totally. Absolutely. I ve got to continue to play it down, David, because in round five, I wanted them to investigate it for tanking. I wanted them to lose games and prove me wrong, which is awesome. So, with that in mind, I think Melbourne make the eight. So, they come in for the one change. The cats out. Well, you wouldn t want to, yeah, do you want to, you don t want to start with the teams? It s going to be tight. Quickly at eight and seven. But if the D s play like they did last night, they re going to be hard to beat. No, Patrak, for the rest of the year. Obviously, Rachel retired at the start. All of it was a little, he was a little more like Cameron last night, wasn t he? Yeah. And more like Clayton. Clayton. Oh, sorry. I don t want to talk about that. He just looked. He just looked. I watched two quarters. He looked a little happy. Yes. Which is a bit different Clayton than what we ve seen this year. So, anyway, it shapes up well. As you said, it s going to be an exciting finish. Maybe, can the Dockers challenge the swans this afternoon? No. No. I don t think anyone s challenging the swans for a bit. No. Not even all the way down the road. This is a Boston Celtics type year. You're doing the opposite. No. You're playing in all the form. No. And you're trying to build up swans. No, no, no. I m sticking fat with what I said up until about, well, did I have them in the eight at the start of the year? Maybe I did not. Just to try and upset you. But I think you had them not. I had them out of the four. That s for sure. Just to get a reaction from you. No, that playing phenomenal footy. No one s beating them. They're winning the grand final. Well, just wait and see. Great to have you with us. We're going to come up with a Lauren Bingley after the break. This is Saturday Zintazzy with David Lithgow and Brett Jeeves. Vortex has come through an 437 5552535. This is for Richie in Murna. Wakefield is the person you were talking about last night, Brett. That s a young man from the demons. He was referencing as the first gamer. Not sure your common re pies is correct. Most of the kids come in in a great, in particular, Harrison. The hawks are coming. Richard from Murna. So, there you go. That s a positive reinforcement for the mighty hawks who have one four on the beat. I m not trying to wind you up here. Oh, you know, I ve been on them before you were on them. I ve seen a little bit from the games I ve watched that there s something coming. They get west coast this week at Subiaca. They should lace them, shouldn t they? They might have the ruse again at some point. Got the ruse again. But there s some percentage they ll need to boost their percentage up a bit. I just think for the hawks sake, I just need to stay off them, because whilst I ve been off them, they ve been on a run. And if they didn t cough up that last quarter lead, of which they should have been investigated for tanking, they re in the age. I think they re in the age. I do get that. You re trying to keep the lead on a little bit? No, just holding, because for as long as I hold, you re still not 100% certain in the kids, maybe. No, I just, it s the patterns mate. You know how the world works for us, that for as long as you re off someone, but you secretly want them to be good, you ve got to stay off them while they re going well. So I m off them. Let s stink. Okay. Well, you re doing a little bit similar mate, but why m doing it? I refuse to go in my own head to guarantee this one s can even make it grand final, because I don t want my mind to wander. And I ll say it again. The last three grand files that played 156 points. And that started in 2014, when your mob came in shellactus off the MCG park. Oh, yeah. That was roughly through Dan Hanabry into the crowds. No, when it was there, David, no. No, and I m very out of Sydney like it was just, it was, oh my gosh, I m certainly going to watch the game. It was over from that exact point, distribution for 2012. Yeah. Yeah, it is. I had a grove of his swans and the hawks. I know, like Luke Hodge always talks about, he always talks about the cats, he always talks about the swans, as they did a genuine, and of course, it got highlighted more when, rightly or wrongly, when Lance went across to Sydney. I think that s potentially what let me deflate. Yeah, it did. But that rivalry with the cats, I mean, if you want to explain football to someone who s never seen it before, you would get the 89 grand final, you would show them that, and then you would show them that run of 12 games across six years, where it was, there was a kick in at every single time. Of course, the goal on the side from Tom Hawkins during that game. I was at that game. Hawthorne came back from 40 points or something. It might have been 52 points of something in this list, incredible footy. Well, how many games around the cat's burden? 11, I think. 11. Yeah, can it curse? Can it curse? Is he still want to be involved or is he still not the president, but he s still? What s he doing? I m not sure what he s doing. He s got an opinion. He s got an absolute opinion. He s still, he s still the biggest negative Tasmanian footy tape person of all. Well, he ll shift. Huh? He ll shift. Well, he ll be shifts. I think everyone ll shift. I think that s been a, you know, I think it s a constant that, that I ve thought this whole long was, I think everyone would shift. I think the, the vibe I hosted and function the other night, it was for, this time it was for Linda s farm, they had a 25 year old super rules, get, get together. They had, you know, a hall of fame, etc. 250 people in the room. So an older, older crowd this time, they were buzzing for the footy team. They like, just, you know, bring it on. Like it s the talk with such joy. And I think that s a, that s a common, common conversation that we re having. I think we re going to go to Lauren Bingley now. I ll just check with Ethan if we ve got her down the line. She s going to come, we re going to have Lauren in a minute or two. So yeah, you know, look, yes, I m a cheerleader for this whole process, but it s building, Brad, it s building. Yeah, look, there s still that, there s still the, it s a provisional license. The stadium has got to be built, you know, and there are things that have to happen that I don t think anyone can guarantee at this stage. I love Damon Gill s optimism, you know, he s, he s the glass half full. He s no doubt about that. As are you, geez, I mean, I hope it happens. Oh, yeah. Look, yeah, yeah. Because there s a lot of merch out there now that if it doesn t happen, yeah, at least everyone s got a cool footy jumper. What would be the outcome, I guess? That will, well, nearly 20,000 of them. Is there a, yes, yes. Well, there s a bit of money in the, in the kitty that if it doesn t happen, maybe we just, it s one big boozy night. Maybe we re distribute that via a giant party. Well, it s a, it s a movement. It s a bit of a movement. It s a bit trendy, isn t it? I think it s quite cool for some people thinking they have the tezi map, you know. Well, certainly the, you know, I think the key in all of it, so my 13-year-old son put his jumper over his, uh, overall jumper. There are all the fans, all of your boys, aren t they? Uh, except for the middle kid, his Richmond, he jumped on during the three years. He might be regretting that now, young nitty, but which ones of them go to Tasmania, all of them one, two or three? All of them, I think so. I think that s a common conversation. And I ll certainly push that as well. I don t think you have to push it. Yeah, I mean, my point was that the oldest boy through his, you know, map footy jumper over the top of his casual clothing to dinner the other night, you know, which is so, in terms of what you mentioned about it being trendy. If you ve got the 13-year-olds thinking it s cool, you ve one. And that s certainly what the tezi devils, uh, through, through Kath and, and the executive, have been able to do. They ve sold it magnificently. That stadium is the next step. Hey, listen, Lauren Bingley s joined us big day for her tomorrow. She s got a good book at Devon Port Lauren. Good morning. How are you? Good morning. Very well. How are you? Good. Thanks, great, great to have you with us. Um, you have got a super book tomorrow. How is life for you? You're 21 years old. You re a mum already. You re back in the saddle and you, you re riding winners. How are you juggling it all? It s total payoff. Oh, I bet it is. But, um, no, no, I ve got a really good support team around me and, and we get it done at the end of the day. So that s what we can ask for. Well, for those that aren t aware, Lauren, you re married to Kyle Mascule, brother of Jason, son of Stephen. So you, you re married into an iconic name here in Tasmanian racing. It must be, you re talking a lot of, you re talking a lot of how about cup winners and goodness knows what. And Jason, his own rights to an outstanding jockey. No, it s, um, they don t miss much that I do wrong, not for sure. They re always the first thing on the phone. But, um, no, look, it s, you can look up to them and you, you know, you can always turn to them for, for any advice. And I m just lucky that it s, um, it can be brutal advice. But if we can take something out of everyone, well, it s a price, isn t it? Hey, listen, how you seeing them? You re very young in your, in your career. So far, a hundred odd rides, you ve had, had him winners already. What s the difference between you and your first ride professionally to, to now? Oh, well, I ve had, I think I ve had great comebacks. I started when I was studying pain and I, I had a fall at the trials and it just scared me and I just, I just wasn t ready for it or the pressure or, and I was, I was very immature. And, um, honestly, it was awful, but it was a bit of a blessing in disguise. I think it just, you know, went back to the basics and writing lots more work and jump out and still being really involved. But then the second time I come back, I was pretty head down, bum up. And then I had my first, I had first two rides for Scotty Bunton. And, um, one was a winner and one was a third. And, um, Scotty really helped me out there as we didn t have anything, anything going around. And then, um, yeah, obviously we ve had little Billy. And again, you can, you know, maybe that was all meant to be. And then this time around it, it s total chaos. But, um, look, it s good fun and we, and we all love it. Plenty of good girls in the, in the jockey ranks, of course, down here, which must be a really cool thing to, to not have to be like it was 20 or 30 years ago when if you were lucky, you had one female in the room. Oh, exactly. That s like, you know, the car, you know, she s mother goes to all of us. If we, if we need any help, she s our go-to girl. But all the apprentices, you know, and it s so good to see that there is so many girls and we re all really good mates for sure. But we all come back in having a little snare at each other sometimes. But we all enjoy it and we all get along really well. Hey, listen, have you got a winner for us tomorrow? You got a decent book? I ve got, I do. I ve got all every ride is, is a, is a chance. And, um, honestly, I reckon our horse, East Coast Miss, she ll need a bit of luck from the gate, but she s ready to go and she ll be, she ll be hitting the line hard. Um, and she s got a, you know, the benefit of a claim too and she s only a little horse, but she s a real little professional. But also, folks, playing gaffney, she ll run well. But yeah, all of them. I reckon they re all, they re all really good chance as long as I can give them a good seat, we ll be, we ll be right, I m sure. Is it getting cold at five a.m. in the morning when you ve got some of the horses out having a little, having a little icebreaker before, before, after a race coming up shortly? Honestly, it s a crime to humanity to live in most of this time. It s just, it s disgusting. It s disgusting. It s two puffer jackets, no pants, stockings, the works. But, um, no, it is. It s hard to stay motivated this time of year for sure, but we re lucky here at our stay. We ve got a good, good little team of horses around us at the moment and they re getting results. Good on you. We ve got to look at East Coast, Mr. Myron, folks, and race six. Um, thanks for jumping on for a bit of a chat and we look forward to watching you over the winter. Stay, stay with us for the warmer months that come in soon. Oh, we re getting there. We re nearly there. Good on you, Lauren. Bingley joins us this morning. We ll go to a break and we ll wrap up the show. This is Saturday Zintazzy with David Lithgow and Brett Javes. Most of the love pic, Lauren. Twenty years ago, Brett, there s another 20 years ago and I saw him play two months ago. Still got it. Still good. Still looks, still good looking. Very, very, very, very, very, very good on him. What are you doing today? Well, um, funny to say. I am off to the Brendan Browning Day. Uh, what s days that? Which is out at the Brighton Football Club. Yes. So supported by the Melanoma Institute. Yes. So fundraising awareness day and in memory of Brendan Browning. Remember the Brighton Footy Club who s early passed away at age 48 from the skin cancer? Yeah, horrible. So big day out there. So that, that will be me, which will be good. It s trivial. Tickets are still on sale. I m tired. Okay. Melanomainstitute.com. You maybe? Once a year. Get your melanomas checked. I bet you don t have time. No, of course I do. I ve got one on my face that I m getting, um, rechecked in three months time. Yeah. One year. Every year for me. You got to do it. Great to have you with us at that morning again. We're signing off catch you next week.