Sam Levinson’s 2021 Malcolm & Marie is a pandemic movie in that it’s about two people at home who fight, cry, and make mac & cheese. It’s also not a pandemic movie in that it opens with them returning from Malcolm’s movie premiere, presumably with lots of people hugging and breathing on each other. Also, they both stay in their fancy clothes entirely too long after getting home.

We get waaay off course during this conversation and spend some time talking about their gorgeous floor-to-ceiling windows and the general nature of sadness. But that’s what you’re here for, right???