Football...Bloody Hell
Football........Bloody Hell
Tom, Rick and Harry('s Dad) pick the bones out of another Yeovil Town pre season friendly. Who should the next England manager be? And it's BBC v ITV in the battle of the pundits!
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- Duration:
- 1h 14m
- Broadcast on:
- 19 Jul 2024
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Goodball, bloody hell. Hello and welcome to the latest edition of football. Bloody hell. We're back and so am I, Dave Pryor, and joining me today. Of course, Tom Bailey is here. Hello, Tom, how are you? I'm very good. Thank you. It's not been very long since I last saw you, but I'm yes. Slightly sunburnt and very grateful that the sun is back out. I'm sick to death of bloody clouds. So bring on summer or something. I mean, there's a few things to unpack there. First, you've decided to go straight in when you answer my question about sunburn. I mean, you're talking to me of all people. And when I look at you, I think there's no sunburn there at all. Not really, not proper sunburn. It's it's coming in slowly. It's coming in slowly. Lovely day in the sun this afternoon. Life staff day out. Brilliant work, lovely work until you burn in traffic, mate. You've never been sunburned, let me tell you. OK, I will enjoy my time while I while I have it of not being sunburns in traffic. We are running as a trio today. And of course, the third wheel, if you like, it's Rick Hyatt. How are you, Rick? Very well. Thank you, feeling news, feeling like a bit of a gooseberry after you too. Last night. Oh, it's fancy seeing you again. Here we go again. Friend, your commentary friend. Thank you. Get a room. Yeah, go on. You did a commentary box. See, he's more of a species does. That wasn't going to be my next line. How are you, dear, are you well? I'm all right. I'm all right. Yeah, working out in the sun is tiring. That's another thing as well. Won't mean anything for the listeners. But Tom, you've got a hat on. How are you sunburn? I'm hiding it. Oh, oh, I see. Yeah, it's simple on top. Oh, this changed a little bit on top, a little bit on the nose. But generally, it's I look healthy on the face. But if I hide the rest of it, it's, you know, I get away with it. I see. I feel some burns at least. And I think my apology is Tom Bailey. Yeah, a little bit of strategic that and I like this hat. So the bonus and excuse to wear it. Rick, now we have to be very careful not to just subconsciously keep putting our hands through our hair. Sorry, Tom. I still have the hair is just beautiful handsome young man. The list doesn't need me to reiterate that fact. That's why I'm on a radio, face for radio. Oh, well, I fall into that category as well. So, you know, it's all fine. I don't. I'm a stunner. You are absolute stunner, Rick, I, and everybody knows it. Thank you for confirming. You are the poster boy of three valleys radio when we next have a billboard somewhere in the center of town. You'll be the face. Don't you worry about that. You in sci-fi-er. That's illustrious company. Right. Let's get straight into it then because we didn't have a pod on Monday. So we haven't had a chance to speak about all things euros now that that's all been tied up. But we will start with Yoval because that's what we normally do and plus I don't want to go straight into the pain that we probably all experienced on Sunday. But Tom, since we last spoke, Yoval town have had two friendlies. Another five goals in the win up at Froome, the 5-1 win. And then in the week, you're with myself at Hewish Park. Tough a test, of course, going down to three-nil to Bristol Rovers. We'll start with the Froome game. You were there with sci-fi. Was it pretty similar to the game up at Milksham that we did together in the opening preseason campaign? I'd say so. The first half, I think we were a little bit more dominant than the Milksham one. And then the second half, I think, Froome grew into it a little bit. Froome, of course, were promoted last summer to step three. Was there enough Froome, Tom Bailey? We've, oh, oh, we've not heard that one before, have we? Oh, very funny. That was actually plenty of room. No one did it on the day then. No one did that on the day. Oh, you did. Oh, fantastic. Yep. Yep. I was very happy to get that one in. Yeah. There was plenty of room. The facilities were great. We have power and very friendly hosts as well. Well, he's probably not listening. But Simon, if you are listening, lovely to meet you again. And I'm sure our pass will cross again at some point in the future. And yeah, it was just a really nice day. I'm guessing you're not talking about fire when you say Simon, it was good to see you again. Si, I'll see you next year. No. No, I can't remember his surname. But I did not expect to see you here of three values right here. You're doing the commentary as well. Oh, we didn't even organise that. No. Yeah, a couple of really good players. Marcus Day was one of their new players that he joined from Taunton from last season. And then number five, who we didn't find the name of the entire game, he had an absolute stunner as well. He did really, really well. But back to Yove, Harvey Greenslade, lookly for once again, Dylan Morgan, particularly dangerous as well, looking really good again himself in some really good positions as well. And generally, I think yells are pretty good sort of warm up for the players. Get some touch on the ball, get some practice in some systems as well. And kind of moving to Bristol Rovers. I mean, it was quite clear that they were two leagues above us. Again, it's pre-season for a reason. We were quite sloppy in defence, which was unusual for us. Capitolised on the mistakes, didn't they, really? Yeah, I think you could probably get away with them last season, maybe sometimes this season, but against the team like Bristol Rovers, who again are a league one, a competent league one outfit, they're going to punish you on mistakes like that. So a little learning curve, I'm sure, for the players. And again, it's out of character for them as well. We've seen them be so composed at times over the last season, season and a half or so. So yeah, I'm sure that'll be worked out of them ahead of Friday. Again, Bright Sparks, Dylan Morgan looked really good in the first half an hour. Jordan Young, when he came on, also looked really good. Great to see Harvey Greenslade get a 90 minutes in him as well. And yeah, there's still things to be positive about and bring on next to him Friday, I suppose. Yeah, Rick, quite a difference in the level of teams that you've all got in their pre-season campaign, going from a MELCHEM in a room to a Bristol Rovers, as Tom says, they're a league one. You think it's important to have those different levels of tests, or is it more about just getting minutes in the legs and all those sorts of things? But it does give you an idea of maybe where you are if you have those different tests. Absolutely, that's what your inverted comm is easier, a friendlies a four, obviously. Bit of a confidence boost, get some minutes, get some goals, get some patterns of play going, and then you test yourself against stronger opposition, get a bit of a reality check as to where you are, because you don't want to play teams below you in the pyramid all the way through, and end up winning 5-1 every single friendly. And then come the first league over the season, you get a three-nil hammering or whatever, and you think, "Wang on, what is this like?" So if you keep testing yourself against nothing too extreme, but enough for it to be a match you can compete in, then it's a good balance, it's striking that balance, isn't it, pre-season? Do you think the confidence is, do you think it's as black and white as we see it as fans with pre-season, or do you think actually maybe it isn't quite like that? Because you're playing well in a game, and you score in goals, and that will breed confidence, but then they're probably thinking, "Well, there are two or three divisions below, that's just what we should be doing." And just by the same token that when they get hit for three, it gets a league one side, where they'll be like, "Well, they won't even be playing that sort of quality in their league campaign." So maybe we do look into it too much more than what it actually does mean, maybe. It's one of those things that only the coaching staff really know what their expectations were for each game, and it's whether they see those being fulfilled or if it is, you just go purely, I wouldn't imagine that they go just purely on the result. There are things within games, partnerships within games that are going to get tried, and things like that. It's just, it is just, it's pre-season, isn't it? That's what it's there for, and for you to get sun sounds, obviously. It was a lovely evening, isn't it? Oh, yes. Yeah, the Bristol Rovers game this week, 7 o'clock kick-off, which meant the sun didn't go, you don't need me to tell you how the sun works listener, but the sun went down. As the sun goes on, the sun doesn't indeed go down. I think it was about 83 minutes, wasn't it, when the sun finally went down? I thought, "Oh, I can see now was seven minutes to go and this game done." Needed that hat, Tom, that you're wearing. Pre-season doesn't actually officially start until Friday, when Uncle Gav lurches onto the scene, and that's when pre-season officially begins. That, and yourself. Yeah, I know, but I'm a little bit part player, it is all about Uncle Gav. Bit part players are just as important as the stars. You're not so curious. It's not just multiple changes within the, you know, within the playing squads. We've got, we've got rotation amongst the commentators as well, and, you know, everyone needs a run-out rate to, you know, get ready for the new season, get pumped. Is it Gav Tooten, is it going to be billed as Gav Tooten and trialist? Proud David Latratus, family. They've had a fine pre-season so far. As you say, it's on you, Rick, throughout your commentary on later today, in fact, to get as many times, get that gag in as many times as you can. Well, don't reveal my identity, whatever you do, if I am a trialist. There was only, um, talking of which, there was only two on show. It wasn't there on Tuesday night, Tom, one for each team. Um, we haven't really seen too many kicking around so far for, for you. Or do we expect that to change as the game's progress or, or are we in a unique situation at Yoval, whereas we've actually got more contracted players than we normally do going into a new season. It's an unusual position for Yoval to be in, where we usually have about six players on the books at the start of each season, whereas we've actually got a starting 11 before we've even had to make any signings. Um, so, yeah, it's, it's quite an unusual position. We've normally got more commentators than Yoval have got players. Exactly. Exactly. It's, we're never really in a good position, but this season, it's a testament to the work that Mark Cooper's done and that behind the scenes, you know, Mars and Hailey Air and all the recruitment team that have been able to keep on these, these brilliant players and, um, lock them down with two-year deals and, uh, and, and allow us to start building a squad as opposed to just a bunch of players that play for us. So, yeah, that trialists, we've not really needed any. We've only seen two play for us this season. It's unlikely that we'd get more as we get closer to the start of the season. We might expect some loans in, I suppose, used the loan market. Yoval have obviously been historically very good at using the loan market, but trialists-wise, I think we're down to one, but for Yoval at least, we saw, well, he's not playing for us. We may as well confirm it. It was Paul Tisdell's son that was, um, getting some time with us in the Melchamp game, and he then didn't actually appear in the fruit game. So, it was just Melchamp. He was with us. Whereas the, the other trialists has been with us for all three. And, uh, I expect he'll be involved on Friday as well. Um, so it looks like he's playing for a place in the squad. And I think he's doing a decent job of it, to be honest. He's, he's, um, got himself involved and, uh, we'll have to wait and see on, on the verdict on that one as we approach the other new season. Yeah, and as you say, there, there, there has been, uh, rotation, like you'd normally get within these games. Uh, it wasn't, it wasn't at halftime on Tuesday, but all, I think, I think it was only Matt Gold, wasn't it? The goalkeeper that didn't get a run out, uh, on Tuesday, everybody, everybody else did. Rick, later on today, it's a similar opposition, really. X is the city, again, going pretty well at the moment, uh, another good test. But, you know, same again, isn't it, really? And another decent team at League One. And in many ways, it's kind of a, an aspiration for where you ever want to be and get back to. Yeah, and it's not a bad idea to have them, these games back to back. So you don't go and trounce another couple lower teams for, and four and five and then come up against this again. You know, there can be a proper gauge of improvement from, from last night against the Rovers, I would imagine. Did you know, just the site, did you, interesting, did you know Ollie Hawkins once played Exa? Did you know, no one's mentioned that all week. I found that very fast. I was only Weston, wasn't it? I don't think he bypassed Exa. Oh, was it just on Brantford? Just Weston and England, Ollie Hawkins. No one else involved at all. That is brand new information, Rick. Exclusive, half the presses, that is. But he won't be there, as far as we're aware. Just finish the Euro, Sonny, it'd be on holiday. He will be on holiday. I'll be in the stands. Maybe in, maybe in a nice little seaside town somewhere. You know, maybe on the coast of England. Weston, maybe. I've heard it's very attractive for an up-and-coming footballer. Or perhaps another National League South Club, where perhaps he hails from, that he's also spent a little bit of time at. And in fact, actually watched one of their games last season's thoughts. More new information, Tom Bailey. You never cease to amaze me. What can I say? An absolute font of knowledge I am. Yeah. That is why you do what you do, Tom. And don't let anybody take it away from you, my friend. That's why they don't pay me. Worth every penny. So Three Valley's Way. It's El Mantro. Chief of Giffel. After Exeser, of course, there's still a few games, three games. After that, there's Farmborough Way, Buckland Athletic, and Difall mentioned Weston. So quite the mix in there. And just thinking to myself, Tom, that actually, it's going to feel like a couple of weeks, and the season's just going to be up and running again. It's just gone by in a flash, isn't it? It is, yeah. The fact that we've already had three pre-season games, just trying to find the calendar. It's, what, three weeks away. We've got the end of this week. And then, yeah, a couple of weeks. Be interested. We're almost halfway through our pre-season campaign as well. So I'm looking forward to it, to be honest. I'll have to wait and see how we fare against higher opposition. And I think it will do all right. It's going to be a really interesting season. Going to new places as well, at least for myself. I'm sure a lot of people have already been to many of the places that we'll be visiting this year. But new experiences. I'm looking forward to it. Rick's been to Hewish Park a few times, and we'll get another run out. It says me. I'll be there to see Rick leave Somerset this season. Is it on the cards? I did, and I was with you two muppets as well. So you know that it happened. It's a layoff. So does that mean now for like continuity? And if you're superstitious at all, you can only save it for a title-winning game. If you go out of the county. God, why have you given that? Why have you given that? It could happen. I'm not saying it will, but it could. Not beyond the realms of possibility. Absolutely. But Rick, I can't believe it was, you know, not that long ago, really, when you think about it, that we were celebrating at the upstairs in Hewish Park. Tom Bailey had a haze, and we were all chatting with the players. And here we are, getting ready for the new campaign. That's what it was all about. But it just goes by in a flash, doesn't it? Well, the longest close season ever. It's just flown by. And we're now having to do it all over again. National League, though, should this season in all seriousness, I'm looking forward to it. Because I think we said previously, it's those four more familiar football clubs are going to be coming to Hewish Park, because obviously that's the only place I'll see them, because they might be going away. So yeah, that's, it's good. I think it's going to be a good season. Looking forward to it. Just quickly on that. Tom, we have mentioned about the fact that Janot's counties, Rexxhams, et cetera, they were the ones with the big money at this level. We've all gone up and got a promotion now. Could be a bit more of a level playing field. But that doesn't necessarily mean that a team still won't run away with it, because we saw that with Barrow, for instance, Susson in years gone by, that it might be more of a level playing field financially, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it will be a tighter league right down to the last day of the season. Would you still expect a team somewhere to pull away? I think if they're to pull away, it won't be by a very big gap. I mean, Chesterfield won it by sort of 15-16 points last season, didn't they? I would say, I don't think we'll hit double digits for a first place gap. Certainly going to be a much more competitive league. Still got a couple of really big teams in the league as well. Just on pure size, you've got the likes of Oldham, Rochdale, South End, very nearly completed their take over now, thankfully for them. Even the likes of Barnet, you can chuck in there. A couple of really big teams in here. And you've got the teams that have come down as well. A couple of really good calls and squads there. And the likes of Sutton and Forrest Green have both recruited quite well. So that's six teams that we've just railed off already that have just gone. Yeah, they could seriously be in with a shout out. So yeah, really tricky season. But I'm fully looking forward to it. I think it's going to be very competitive. And we could finish anywhere. We could finish in the playoffs. We could finish 20th as long as we're not in that bottom four. I don't care where we finish, to be honest. Would you take outside the bottom four, even if only by a place right now, Rick? Well, not necessarily. You think that there could be, you know, at least a couple of places higher. I think the expectation is top half of the table. I would have thought, I think that's what most sensible people... That classic win your own games. Get a couple away and then it will take care of itself, wouldn't it? As long as there's no tedious relegation battles, because we've been there, done that, that's boring, don't like that. And then you get the benefit of having a successful season last season. So I would hope for a nice, comfortable, boring season. That would be lovely. Nice, comfortable and boring. That's what we do well here at Three Valleys Radio. And we'll be here for the rest of the pre-season campaign and in to the new season as well. And good news just very quickly, Tom, on our connectivity front, because all went well up at Frum for 90 minutes and it also did on Tuesday, didn't it? So a good start to the campaign on that front. Start as you mean to go on. Fingers crossed we can keep the connection levels high. Over to you, Rick, Hyatt and Gav Cheetah. No pressure, no pressure. It's not like we've got babysitters to help you this time either, because you're only the ones in the stand. Good luck. Ooh, you're really selling that. Looking forward to breaking news. Bit of breaking news, I might be there. I might pop up. I might pop up. I did say to Abby. Maybe I will go to the football one Friday. So I'll keep my eyes peeled. If you're wondering whether or not to go list there, now you've just heard that I'm going to be in the building. No, pop along. I'm happy to sign a share or a photograph. No problem at all. But you'll find me in the bar. Come along. Come along. Yes. I expect we'll have three Valleys meet up in the fan zone, will we? Of course, three Valleys very own Adam Davis is traveling all the way down. Oh yeah, this is the one for the game. Absolutely it is. This is the first time I'm going to meet Adam. I'm looking forward to it. I know what happened. You'll end up walking straight past him, and then he'll phone you or something and be like, "Tom, you said you were going to be, you guys said that you're going to be here." We're like, "Oh, was that you? Did it just walk straight past?" Oh, sorry about that. One of the tallest people would miss anybody in a crowd. Quite incredible. My lack of perception of anything is impressive. As long as it's got like a green surface underneath it, then I can see it. But if it's not on a football pitch, I can't see anything. In our defense, Brazil, unless Adam is reading a big copy of the Financial Times, how are we supposed to know it's him? Yeah. No, exactly. Well, Professor Adam has his mortar board and his gown. Presumably he'll be wearing that. We'd need to think of if any listeners are at the game on this evening as we go out. If you could have some maths questions, buddy, for Adam, because we've got to ask him nearly enough maths questions. Any football financial questions you've got? I'm sure he'd love that. He really loved that. I hope you have a good evening, Adam, wherever you are and wherever you end up sitting, which is probably going to be behind breaking Gabb in the commentary box because that stand is closed. Get it forward. Get it forward. Exactly. Well, Rick, Gabb, good luck tonight. I hope you have a good run-out with Three Valleys Radio or will be there, but enough Yoval Chat because, boys, it's support group time. Rick, I'm going to start with you because you've quite openly said throughout the tournament that... Yeah, England, you can take it or leave it. Got themselves to the final. Were you feeling any emotion, any nerves before the game, during and after? Or was it just a case of, uh, our cheese? What were you thought? My biggest takeaway from the final was the fact that we were a goal-line clearance away from having the Desmond I predicted beforehand and then moving into extra time. Unfortunately, Colby wouldn't have been there to score the goal, but, you know, I just have to... Do you know what that part escapes me as that was happening? Did you not notice that? I was not the forefront of my mind, I'll admit. It wasn't at that moment, no. I was just thinking, "Yes, I'm right again." Oh, there's no doubt that the best team won, didn't they? Yeah, without a shadow, without a shadow of a doubt. It's difficult, isn't it? It makes feelings because it's your country you want them to do well, but England did stink up that tournament. So, for a strain, because you get to a final, you've got a chance of winning something, but your overall feeling is one of disappointment with the way the team played. There's a lot of star players who did their reputation no good whatsoever, for one reason or another throughout that tournament. And I think we finally, we can put to bed, the Karl Walker is a better right-back than Gary Neville argument, because he stanked a high heaven from beginning to end. He was the only England player who named the team of the season. That makes that loses all credibility. He was dreadful, or can run fast. Can't the women else? Of all the people to put in as well, they pick one of the worst. Yeah, it was probably England's worst player, and there were some candidates for... Are we ready for the shock? Are you ready for the shocker that Harry Kane wasn't fully fit? Oh, I wonder when that bombshell was going to drop. Jude Bellingham's knackered, and he's more of a PR machine than he is a bloody footballer at the moment. More interested in how he comes across in PR circles in his public persona, I think, anyway. Phil Foden, good lord, stop me now. They all let copy down, basically. Move on, Tom Bailey, what did you think? I think there were positive moments. I'm choosing the class. One day after the final win, Southgate resigned. Okay, we'll flip it a little bit. What are your guys' thoughts? What were your feelings when the news dropped? What was your immediate reaction when you saw that he resigned? I think it's right. What's my immediate reaction? The reason I find it difficult to answer that question is because I was always at the opinion that he was going to go either way. So, I've always kind of had my head around the fact that he's going to go anyway. So, it was not really a case of really feeling anything other than, "Oh, yeah, okay, he's done it now." I wasn't sure if there might be, like, a period of reflection or something. I don't know all sorts of things. And then he was just hoping, you know, prolonging the inevitable when an announcement was going to come that he was going to leave anyway. So, I'm not really surprised by any of this. I think there's probably going to be a bit of time now before just jumping ahead about who's going to come in next. Even today, actually, as we record this, there's been a couple of rumors that have been sort of jumped right to the front of the queue just before we came on. And Poster Koglu is the new name that is now suddenly in the frame with the FA, allegedly. But I think we're probably going to go around a little bit of a merry-go, probably for a good few weeks a month, I would imagine, before I went to the first game in September. There's normally an international break after what the first couple of weeks of the season. So, they probably would want it done by then. But even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Lee Karsley is in the dugout for a few games until the November qualifiers, maybe, if they want to try and really have a thorough search for a new manager. But, yeah, in terms of my feeling, I had already accepted the fact that he was going, and I don't mind it. I think he's done well considering what we had. But I also appreciate that on his watch, we've now had this influx of generational talent of players that have come through. But we've had that before, also, under the managers who haven't been able to produce much. And I do understand that we have been on the easier side of the draw and pretty much all the tournaments that we've had under Southgate. But having said that, Roy still lost against Iceland and Fabio Capello stank out 2010 with, you know, poor draws against the USA and that horrific game against Algeria. So, you know, other managers with England have had these games before and haven't got anywhere. So, I think he does deserve some credit for that. But it would be interesting to see where we go now to really try and take it over the line. But if it has to stay English, I don't know whether I have a preference one way or the other. But I think if we do go English, I'm not necessarily sure that we have any better than what we already had is my feeling at this very moment. Rick, follow that, Rick. That's why I ask the questions. Follow that deep analytical analysis. Unpick it. Gareth Southgate did a very competent job. No qualms about what he did. It's funny, he's a manager who's managed to overachieve and underachieve during the same year. Yeah, I know it. 10 year, you know. Uninspiring, but ultimately, you can't argue with his, argue with his record. I mean, the question, if you're looking at him as a manager, would you want him managing your club side? I think most people in this country would say no. I think that's the judge of him actually as a football manager. But I said this previously, I think as an international manager, I think he's perfectly, perfectly competent. And he stopped England being the laughing stock that they were before. And people have very, very short memories. And the criticism, which I've just runted about all the way through the tournament, either. England were a goal line clearance away from taking that to extra time on Sunday. And then maybe taking it to penalties and coming out on the right side of it. So it's fine margins at that sort of level. I mean, he's not a manager for me, but then again, I think he's a decent bloke who did a perfectly acceptable job. In fact, in fairness, he did a good job. So you can't knock him in that respect. I think he probably went on a tournament too long because of the way England went out of the world cut. I can see why it made him think that maybe he could get more from this group of players. But yeah, I just think he exceeded my expectations. You look at what England were playing like before he took the job and what they're not necessarily. We've got used to them going deep into competitions now, haven't we? Which is a perennial quarter-finalist, weren't we? If we qualified for a tournament, we'd go out in the last date. Now we're making finals and semi-finals as a bare minimum. So he's moved things forward. I mean, and I think he deserves an awful lot of credit in that respect, but I wouldn't want him managing my club. I was just wanted to jump in there and say, I do agree that with people were saying that, obviously, depending on how the next tenure goes and how that starts, particularly the next World Cup, but it might be one where we'd look back in 10 years' time and be like, cool, we had it good for a few years, didn't we? And made me not realize how good that we had it. Yes, I'd realize that we didn't win anything. So it's always kind of, you know, depending on how you level success. But I think certainly in the grand scheme of England as an international football team, it will be looked at it as a period of success. Not Bailey, come on. Yeah, are you coming in there, Tom? Sorry. What's the nerd's aspect? What's the nerd opinion? You're right there, Dave. Bloody Drake's again. He's on the points, isn't he? Bloody love you, Dave. Southgate, you're the one. Sorry, go on. Gutted, to be honest. What was he doing? Yeah, I would have let him do 26. I would have let him do the World Cup personally. Oh, well, they did, didn't they? But it was his... It was his choice. Yeah. I'm gutted that he's made that call. I suppose it's probably a little bit different for you guys, both from different generations, to be fair. But growing up, England were average as hell. Really average. I was never excited for a tournament. I mean, my first memory of England football was that night against Croatia, where we didn't qualify for Euro 2008. All the wallet with the Brawley. That is my first memory of national team football. Wow. Paul bastard, Tom. Yeah, so I've grown up through whatever the hell happened in 2010, where we were, yes, probably a little bit unlucky, but we were probably going to lose the game against Germany anyway. That's a good point, Tom. Sorry, just jumping in. We thought we had it stale under Southgate. Go! Remember it under Capello. Jesus. Exactly. And people using this whole Southgate's got the golden generation for England, and he's done nothing with it. Well, what happened with the last golden generation we had? We made a quarterfinals. We made a group stage of Euro 2000. She's got the history up here. Well, up 2002, we were out in the quarter finals, and it was the same for 2006. So we got no further than the quarter finals with our quote unquote golden generation. 2008, we didn't even make it. And yet, since Southgate's taken over with the supposed new generation, we've come fourth, we've come second twice in the Euros, and we've reached a quarterfinals where we lost to the finalists against one of the best teams and one of the best players in the world. I don't think that's that bad going, personally. Yes, it's ugly to watch at times, but it works. And the squad morale has never been higher, and the players play for each other. There's no longer that divide where players won't give the role because they're all playing against each other in the league or that sort of stuff. There's no tribalism anymore. It works. It's how it should be. He is easily the best England manager that I've experienced, and he's had a hell of a lot of pressure, and he's dealt pretty damn well with it to be honest. You've had a very poor batch in your lifetime to be fair enough to be fair enough. I've had a poor batch that you've changed. The fact that Sam Anadise was in my very limited list is, yeah, it kind of shows the levels we were at, but even-- Will he be in the running this time around? He could be. He could be. Neil Warnock's probably is at the end of the phone at any moment. Yeah, he'll be the interim choice. But again, Fabio Capallo, to me, isn't that great a manager? In history, it shows that he is. But from my personal experiences, Capallo was average, very boring, very, very straight. No one enjoyed it. No one enjoyed it at all. We've had memories made with Southgate, and I think he needs his props. If he wants to go into club management, go for it. I think, as Rick said, I personally wouldn't want him at my club, but I think he would be great for someone like a palace, or maybe even a Brighton if things go wrong there, just to step in and maybe stage a shift. You intentionally picked two rivals there in your list. No, just two solid mid-table sites. I saw someone say, "Imagine if Vincent Company stinks at Bayern, Blasner does really well with Palace, goes to Bayern, Southgate comes in at Palace." I don't think that's that bad an idea. But I think-- Yeah, I think he's got aspirations higher than that. I was reading that he-- He's got aspirations higher. A top six club. I can't see a top six club appointing him, to be perfectly honest. It would be a bold move if they were. I think if anyone were to get in and not feel wrong, it would be either-- Well, I suppose it depends what you want to class. For the traditional top six, the only one that wouldn't feel out of place is Spurs. But if you're going to go off last season's top six, I think Villa would be a place for him to go as well. But yeah, I think he needs his props because he is worse. Oh, absolutely. I agree. I'm not fine. I do agree. As opposed to his successor, I've mentioned on here a couple of times that I'm very much of the opinion that the national team manager should be the same nationality as the national team. He's essentially the country's PE teacher, which I'm absolutely fine with. I know this doesn't fit that, but Lee Karsley is basically English. He is English in all, but he played for the Republic of Ireland. But he's English, born in England, sounds English. I think he is great. In the same way that Greelish and Rice were Irish for a little bit. Exactly, exactly that. They say they're Irish, but they're not really. I think personally, he's my number one at the moment. If you had to go somewhere else, I'd say Potter as much as I think how would do a decent job, I don't think he's leaving Newcastle. Or if you were, you'd have to pay an absolute boatload of money to do it. I just don't want a foreign manager in England. To be honest, it doesn't feel right to me. It's the ultimate pride to manage your own country. Particularly as we haven't had good experiences either. The two, exactly. The two we've had, Ericsson tried his best. Probably got as close as he could have to success with a golden generation. Again, that porch gleam was unfair on him and we'd look pretty good. That tournament, at least from wife, Red. And Capello was four. I was three, so I don't respond. Yeah, that's what made me laugh. But and Capello was genuinely considered a failure. So we've not got great experiences. Potch would be an absolute disaster. Yeah, an Argentinian. Yeah, that's going to work. That's going to work, isn't it? No, bad idea. Too cool. He's not had a great couple of runs. I mean, he was up and down at Chelsea and he's all. Do we think we get too hung up on the fact, though, that, oh, you know, we couldn't possibly have a German managing the England management team? Germany are not so bad with it. Argentinian and stuff because I feel like, does it matter anymore? I don't know, I don't know. If you're, OK, if you're normal, it doesn't matter. If you are strongly inclined in certain ways. Brexit means Brexit. There it is. It means a lot more. And of course, they are the vocal minority that will not shut up until they're gone. So I. Get Nigel Farage in charge. If I tell you who I want, you need to tell me why I want this manager to manage England. And it's quite obvious. I would like to see Eddie Howe take over as England manager because. Oh, yeah, I don't know why. Who's going to be the assistant, Rick? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Is Mike, is Mike Bassett free? Pindle on the bench at England matches. Can you imagine it? Well, he won't be on the bench. You'll be in the, you'll be in the, the technical box, won't he? Yeah, but how perfect will it be that the next World Cup is in the States? We will, we will request that our training camp is in Miami. Or Las Vegas. Or Vegas yet? Yeah. The presidency with Tingle in Vegas. Lots of options. Haven't thought about that. Find out. Like Milwaukee or something. How one is it interesting one though? Because like, there's like strong rumor as well because of what's happened. Maybe we'll talk about this later. But the, um, a couple of the, the co-owners involved with Newcastle and bringing Eddie Howe in have left in the off season. And there's a strong sort of feeling that of how doesn't get off to a good start, then maybe he'll be one of the first names out of the door. And it would be a brave call to say the England manager's job comes available. They come in for you as the number one choice. You turn it down and then you haven't got a job by the end of September, which could be a realistic scenario. Well, you don't want to, you don't want to go negotiating with those hard-nosed businessmen behind Newcastle. Because the way they hung out and got exactly the same compensation for Dan Ashworth, that they paid Brighton. That teaches them that's, that's hard-nosed businessmen, that is. I think moving it more towards the successes again, I've heard a lot. A away from Tyndall. No, we've got another 10 minutes from Tyndall. And he gave him his own segment at this point. The Tyndall time. I have seen him David, I've seen him a lot of it. Yep, for the Dave Price show, next segment, Tyndall time. Pep is our contract in 2025. Now, as we all know, as I've just said, foreign manager, not me, thank you. That, and I don't like Pep. I don't know what your boys' thoughts are on apparently. Wow, I say apparently. There's an idea that Karlsley could be kept on as an interim for a year. I think that's too long. Yeah, I think a year as an interim coach is too long. You may just get into him. Because then you just, you just start to then play his way, all those sorts of things. And then we're well into a World Cup qualifying campaign. And then you change it. OK, right, you'll be changing it for someone like Pep. But you can't have even won a, you agree to do this now, or you don't. Yeah, I think it'd be very, very difficult to, I mean, from Karlsley's point of view, he'll probably be like, yeah, I'll give that a go for a year. Because maybe I'll do well enough in that time for you to think that I'm worthy enough of being kept on. And it raises his profile anyway, doesn't it, for whatever comes next? If he's Karlsley's got the most high profile job in the country. Everyone wants to talk into the world. One problem with Pep, if he sees a weakness in the team, he can't just go out and spend 50 million on the placement. He's got to use players that we've already got. And we've, he's established himself as a fine coach. We're trying to sell Karl Palmer. It's just been that Karl Walker will play really well, though. Unlikely, it's true. Well, in terms of how the final ended in the England's performances, Rick, that you touched on, that it did disappoint really when you look at what, you know, the town and what they can do, all those sorts of things. But there has been conversations about, is it Kane's time? Is it Walker's time some of these players to say, right, you know, I've had a good, good run at this international, you know, level of football? Is it time to pass the baton on? But then when you look at the likes of like a Jesus Navas and of Spain and moderate should creation, some of these players still can go on well into their mid third thirties and above. Pepe at 41, for example. I think sometimes we can be quick to go vice 31 now. He probably should be thinking about international retirement. But do you think that there is something in that with some of these players? Or do you think that they still were deserving of another crack? I think a lot of them will need to be pushed, rather than jumping themselves. We all know Harry Kane has a trophy cabinet that he'd like to fill up. And his best bet is with personal awards. He loves a stat. Well, that's how it comes across. There's Harry because he can't find himself in a team that wins anything. So he's going to want to extend that goal scoring record from that deep lying midfield position that he plays in at the moment and takes penalties and whatever. I can't see any of them falling on the sword as it were. Even if there are more talented alternatives there, I'm surprised you boys haven't gone big. It's only me going out on the limb on the right full back position. Well, I'm sure you two have got fairly strong opinions on that yourself. Go on. No, I think for me, it was when England switched to a back three and I thought, well, then, transperfect for your wing back. I understand the reasoning. People always say that he's never played wing back, has he? People always say that he's got all the attributes, but he's never played in the back system. He should do, but it's untested. But then this is why a lot of the Liverpool fans, most Liverpool fans to see him every week will be like, yeah, OK, he can be caught out defensively, but we're not conceding every single week because a ball goes in behind Trent Alexander Arnold. Like, I'm sure that there is. Yeah, there was, I know Hano again with Twitter and stuff, but hey, I'm going to use it as a reference point because you asked me, like, the still images of Karl Walker always being the last man back when England conceded a goal. But it's like, if that was Trent, he would be like, get him home. Like, this is ridiculous. And maybe you do always get that with certain players, and that won't change. Apparently, according to reports today, quite fancy is a move to Real Madrid. That also might be crap as well. But yeah, I don't see a problem with him playing right back. But if we did play as a back three and you want that security of having extra defender back there, then he's so good and offers you so much. That's why they tried to play him in midfield, isn't it? Because he's so good on the ball. And let's say that the experiment just didn't work. And then we just try and fit him in anywhere. But he definitely can play right back. But he has to be thick skin because he's going to be crucified every time he plays for England, and they can see the goal. Even if it comes down to left-hand side, it will be Trent's fault. You have to play a system that allows the right back to invert and come into that space where he can ping balls there. Isn't it? He's not going to hug the touchline. Yeah. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. There is a lot of players, like you say, they reckon, that sort of, you know, look, take Ben White, for instance. Now, Gareth Southgate isn't there. Is that going to be a new lease of life for Ben White? Are we going to finally find out what happened there? Is he suddenly going to make himself available? There's always new opportunities whenever a manager comes in, clean slate, and all those sorts of things. But there might be players playing well, thinking, "Oh, Blime, I don't want him to get the job, because then I'm not going to get a look in." That'd be a cue for the sun beds if you got Ben White and Tyndall involved in the England squad. They just have two, and that's it. Nobody else gets a look in. Why do you sense on the right back situation? Obviously, we switched to that three at the back, as Dave said, and Saka played that right wing back role. And I think that worked really well. I think Saka was a great option on that right side, because obviously, when we dropped deep, we would then almost switch to a four, which then allowed the left back to do the defensive work, and then Walker can shift into the right back. We abolished it in the final, though, didn't we? When the knockouts started to go well with the change, he then decided-- Switch back. Whether he did that pepper overthinking thing, that he sometimes has labelled against him in finals, decided that he needed to go back to-- It was odd. More solid base, et cetera. You're not thinking that was because picking Shaw, you had a world-class left back, which he hadn't had. That's the thing. In the tournament for you? I think if we hadn't switched to that formation, we would have won that game, because Luke Shaw, on that night, was absolutely spot on. He was brilliant, and he was what we'd been missing all tournament. I genuinely think we would have had a much different outlook on the tournament if Shaw was fit for the old tournament. The whole left side was redundant. That's right. All the way through the tournament. Trippie as much as Trippia tried. He is not a left back. He is a right back. I would have been interested if we were to play a flat back for, I would have gone Shaw, Stone's Gay, and then Trippia, because Walker, just all tournament, I was not convinced. Sent her back in the three. I was a bit more like, "Okay, that's fine." But as a right back, for me, Walker was not it. Why was it such a problem? Well, I don't understand why it was such a problem, that we had a right footer playing left back. Like, I understand that obviously you get more natural width, but how many times have we seen players play on the opposite sides now in modern football? The problem? Why is it only us that seemed there to be a bit of a problem, like with soccer playing on the right and then cutting inside? And everyone does it. You know, look at I and Robert, who was the perfect. You know, everyone knew what he was going to do, but no one could stop it, and he did it anyway, and he did it really well. But for some reason, whether it was just Trippia himself, who just, as we've said on here before, hasn't had the best of seasons. But he was, you know, like we've touched on though, not the only player who's been playing as a right footed left back this season, but kept getting the nod. But it just seemed bizarre to me that England seemed to be the only team who didn't know how to be able to adapt to that, because everyone else seems to be able to. It's because Trippia is the only right footed left back I've ever seen that refuses to cut inside. He will turn back and then play it back. He won't cut inside and take a shot or take a cross, like you would expect a opposite footed pullback to do. I mean, even when he did it for Newcastle, he honked at left back. When he went back to right back, he wasn't too bad. His backbone got injured because they had never meant it on the right instead. So it's a Trippia issue with a right footed left back. But yeah, I think if he's going to continue his England career, it has to be right back for me. Otherwise, I don't really want to see him on the field, because he's clearly shown he's not a left back. Please just give Luke Shaw a new hamstring. That's all I want. Just keep him forever. Talking of left backs, are you coming in there, Rick? Coming in there a little quick. I second that, definitely. A fit Luke Shaw is an asset. Again, as a Liverpool fan, you probably shouldn't jump on it. It's all singing the praises of United players, whatever. I don't care. Luke Shaw is the best left back. I think he's done really well to come back from all the, for whatever that word, shit that was surrounding his career for a good two or three years. It was all that crap with Mourinho and stuff, and it wasn't that long ago when we were like, "Who is the best left back?" You could, at that time, you could play a chill world or a chore, and it was a bit of a, you know, take your pickage, each one, whichever one you want. Whereas now he does seem pretty much since the euros in 2020, actually, 2020 one. He's absolutely. He's a front runner. Absolutely. Yeah. And sure, well, there's no favors with that, Iceland, friendly. After that, I think that was the grave duck for him, because he was awful, which then led to the Trippia mess. So I don't know. It's all a bit of a mess, but we just need a secondary left back. That's not Luke Shaw. I wanted to talk about Kukareya, as we're talking about left backs, because there was a player who was getting quite a lot of stick, particularly from Gary Neville, who he seems to have since had a pop back at on social media, such is the way of the world. I believe from, particularly from people who had seen him play at any point. Well, quite. But one thing that I was listening to that just made me think was that he was really sought after when he was at Brighton, and Brighton played in a certain system. And you probably had this too, Rick, as well, that it was all about the structure and where he played, and all those sorts of things. And then Pep wanted to spend big money on him at Manchester City. And then at the last minute, Chelsea swooped in with their whole cash, because they've just been spending spending spending, even more than Manchester City. Can you believe that? But they did. And then the managerial Mario go around at Chelsea, kept going round and around, and they were fitting him in. And all sorts of different areas and positions. He was in and out of the side, and then he didn't really have a very good campaign, particularly of how we know that he could play at Brighton. Suddenly, he then gets put into the Spanish team, and everyone's going, "How is he replacing the left back, Grumaldo, who's had an unbelievable season at Bayern Levikus?" And because everyone thought he would be the shoe in to play at left back. And then this system just seems to suit him down to a ground. And I thought in the final, Luke Shaw was brilliant, but I thought Lucurrello was exceptional as well. And his crossing was so good and on the money. Backball in for the second goal was perfect. The substitute only just needed to get a tiny little flick on it, and it was flying into the back of the net. The pace, everything was beautiful. Is it just a system thing? And if that's the case, then you can link it maybe to why some of these England players have not been able to produce what they produce. Maybe there is a lot more to it with tactics than where you're supposed to play. And if you're thinking, "I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing here, if I have clarity on where I should be and what I need to do," you get a better performance. Now, is it as black and white? Is that real? Or should there be more variable in that? You'd think that that is exactly right. I think that's nail on the head. He fits that system. He fitted the Brighton system. And I think everybody who saw him playing last season at Chelsea wondered what all the fuss was about. He nearly went united as well, didn't he? On a cheeky loan when they got Reggae on? I think he was touted as maybe being a... Oh, yes, he was. Actually, yeah, yeah, I was talking about it. And the other disadvantage he does have is you can't miss him. With that barnet, you know exactly where he is. And so I know it sounds like a flippant point, but a lot of players can go under the radar and you don't necessarily notice them. Whereas you notice wherever he is on a pitch. And I thought he was outstanding. We just know the point about that about fine margins and going back to Gareth and whatever. How far was that offside, that on-side decision for Spain's winner? That's fine margins. That's literally fine margin. So, you know, could have been different. But Cucarella, yeah. I thought he played very, very well. Hi, this is Matt Wervington. And you're listening to Football Bloody Hell. I've got a question for you two, actually. It's unusual that I have an idea. But I just wondered what your thoughts were on BBC versus ITV throughout this tournament? Because generally, with major tournaments, it's always the case of the BBC is you go to. They absolutely tramps ITV in the ratings whenever they go head to head. What do you think about the coverage of the two broadcast during this tournament? Because you've taken this first time? I'd just watched whatever it was on. I had no real trunk. I had no strong preference. That wasn't the point of my question. Even if you're going to watch it, Tom, which would you prefer? Who did you enjoy the most? Honestly, which one didn't have Gary Lineker in it? I like Gary Lineker. I have no strong preference for either sets of broadcasts. Genuinely, I think both of them have their own benefits. I think, yes, if you're going to hear Jermaine Genius, I'd rather watch it on silent, same for Danny Murphy. But also, I would rather not hear Sam Hutchinson for 90 minutes. And I believe he was on ITV a lot. So, you know, it's just personal preference. I personally didn't really care who was on so unless it was those three listed. So, yeah, I think a lot of people make a much bigger deal out of it than perhaps I would. But yeah, I suppose if I was forced to choose it, it'd be the BBC. But I think, again, I can take a leaf both of them. So, it's not a very exciting answer. Dave, here we go. For sure, Tom, it's your opinion. And that's exactly what you're entitled to. That's what I asked for day prior as a broadcaster yourself. Well, as a broadcaster myself, we know all too well how public opinion can be. And it's all about, you know, just doing the job as well as you can anyway, etc, etc. But as a viewer, I would go as far as saying that I would probably combine the two. Now, hear me out here because... Which is what I did for the final, go on. I think the punditry and presenting was better. Oh, I'll ask him. Yeah, generally speaking, the punditry and presenting was better on ITV. But I would sooner have the commentators on BBC than ITV. Now, sometimes I think commentators generally... I think we have to say this as commentators on sales. You know, we're all part of the one big club. Yeah, a bad rap because they're not somebody else. So, sometimes take Sam Matterface, for instance, right? Not everyone's cup of tea. I accept that. But the biggest criticism of Sam Matterface is that he's not Clive Tilsley. Now, that's not Sam Matterface's fault that he's not Clive Tilsley. Why have you not born 40 years previous? Sometimes that kind of comes into it. And yeah, like you say, there's new commentary now. Like, everything evolves. Everything's just so different now. I don't think you're going to get these types of commentators anymore. But yeah, I thought the punditry was better on ITV. But I would have had the commentary from BBC. In fact, I'd go even further to say I would have five live commentary. Because I think Job Murray is a don. I think he's very, very good on the average. That over-exposure to certain commentators can bore you a bit with them as well. Sam Matterface does a lot. So I suppose people are, A, attuned to his voice and B. There's probably a point where you go, "Okay, I've heard you again and again and again and again." I'll be honest, I feel a little bit like that with Peter Drury. Peter Drury is a brilliant commentator. But when you hear him 30 times a season, this is why every time he was doing stuff for Premier League TV, and it isn't available in England and there was clips of Peter Drury, everyone was going up themselves and being like, "Oh, this guy is the best." And I still believe that he is amongst all the other women. But this was always going to happen as soon as you get everyday exposure to him, everyone goes, "Oh, actually, it's just pre-rehearsed lines and doesn't actually mean it." But it's the same with anything that people's commentators, presenters, pundits, whatever, they sound better when they're not on your TV and you're only looking at two-minute clip of them on. Yeah, I wonder if Clive Tillsley did a full-season of Premier League coverage. And this is not to downplay Clive Tillsley as a commentator at all. I also think he's absolutely brilliant. I just wonder, though, if he were to do a full-season of Premier League coverage, if eventually you'd go, "Oh, it's just Clive again," what's he most famous for? Again, it's for what? National team games and the Champions League. Champions League and the Champions League, which was once every other week. You do maybe two games a week every other week. You don't have that level of exposure that you get. I sure thought all of that then, Rick, including the commentary piece, we've just snuck in there as well. Yes, I'm very interested to hear what Rick thinks about this. There's going to be a five-minute monologue and I can sit back and enjoy. Seeing as he presented the question, he must have a big opinion, surely. I have an opinion. I did pretty much what you described, Dave. I watched the ITV punditry, which has come on leaps and bounds, I think. Pugash is a very underrated artist. He used to do radio, didn't he? Is that right? Is that right? Five did five live? Yeah, did five live. Yeah. And again, you say about having the commentary from five live. Also, five live have got chapters who I think is head and shoulders. The best host of anything going on at the moment. I agree wholeheartedly with that. It's funny how with, it's like you say about being exposed to it all the time. I always used to like the BBC punditry. And then you've got the Lineker Shearer. As in going as far back as say, like Hanson and Lawrence and Ty. Breaking whatever, you know, those boys were in right when he was on it was good. But the Lineker Shearer, Michael Richards thing is, since they started doing that much of the day podcast, then they've got their own podcast. And they're very much in danger of disappearing up themselves a little bit. I think whereas I think that getting the overlap team, sorry, the stick to football boys in as your punditry team, I think was smart, smart business. Because that works as a podcast. It's the most listenable one, I think, at the minute, anyway. Funny you should say that because I did think to myself, this is basically just sort of podcast versus podcast rather than like, country versus country. Yeah, but that's that's the again, you're talking about things evolving. Your pundits role, a podcast is nothing more than an extension of that. What are we doing now? We're part of, we're all parts of commentary too. And this is just an extension of that. That's very true. But I said, I'm not a commentator like this. We are everything you hate, Rick. I am. I just. We are everywhere. Rick Hyatt is everywhere. He's omnipresence. The best thing about the coverage of the final is I have absolutely no idea what Jimane genus thought of any of it. And for that, I am eternally. I will also caveat by saying that a lot of the England games, I was watching in the pub. So I didn't listen to any of it anyway. Which is fair enough, that makes perfect sense. But genus is amazing because whenever he's involved in commentary, he's trending on Twitter straight away as soon as he's on. And yet he still gets a gig. I don't understand how I suppose it's the modern way, isn't it? It's generating clicks and whatever, be they positive or negative. But yeah, I would go commentary. I think Guy Mowbray is good for the final. I think he's quite underrated. You know, because nobody lists him in it. If you were to ask football fans, what do you think of Guy Mowbray? They'll probably say, I don't know what team is he plays for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's one who comment, he does his job. He commentates on the football. He doesn't make it about him. I think the L.A. McCreece thing is starting to get a bit old now. Again, but ITV didn't help with that. Whereas he did his own games. And then for the final, they decided they needed him and Lee Dixon. And as it goes, they probably did need him and Lee Dixon, to be fair. Nothing on Lee Dixon. But I just think he's not a particularly exciting man. He adds nothing to the experience. But then it's the final, isn't it? You don't make it about yourself. But at the same time, you don't want to be wallpaper. So I don't know. I just wanted to ask that question because normally I'm very much a BBC man. And I think that ITV deserved their props for this. I thought they did a very much improved job from anything they've ever done before. I think the BBC standards are a bit self-indulgent now. I think he made a good point with the punditry as well. I can't remember if it was you all date. But a couple of the names they got on there. Whenever I saw Ranjdan punditry, I thought he was really interested. I thought he was good. And Danny Roll as well, who Sheffield Wednesday manager currently. A lot of people were like, we don't even know who this guy is. But was that the really tall bloke? Really tall German sort of Fruity sounding fella. Yeah, he, honestly, when every opened his mouth, I was like, I want to listen to all of it. Whatever you say, I will listen. It was brilliant. There's a really, really good analyst on there. So, yeah, I was. He turned Sheffield Wednesday right around in other news. And they were gone. He did. They had the worst start in championship history. And that's not me being hyperbole. That's fact. And he turned it around. So, I'm interested to get you an ITV punditry gig at the Euros. I don't know what will work out. And yeah, it's like Tom says, everything he said, you wanted to hear more of it. Every time Rio Ferdinand opened his mouth, I wanted to hear less of it. That's the thing. Yeah. But then also, I really appreciate and enjoy Michael Richards's abundance. So again, it's all sort of personal. I think he brings great character. And I think he's got some really interesting defensive insights attacking. I don't get it. But yeah, defensively, I think he gives some good insights and he makes me interested in what's going on because of his character. Whereas Rio Ferdinand, I couldn't give a rat's ass what he thinks. Despite all this, I think you might touch on, Rick, that you might sometimes do this. And I've seen that people do that. I would never go as far as it is. Even if it's something that I'm not keen on or they're talking about a certain something. I'd never go as far as just watching the whole thing on mute because I couldn't stand it that much. Like sometimes it won't bother me, but it won't bother me to the point of, oh God, I just need to turn this off completely because it's just so, I don't know, out there or outrageous or I can't actually sit there and stick it. Have you done the whole mute thing? Or can you just about tolerate it enough to be able to keep listening? I think he's decided to freeze instead, so I'll take this one. Are you ever done that, Tom? I haven't, no, I attempted to at one point and it was so horrible that I actually turned it back on. I can't remember what was going on, but yeah, I can't watch a match without at least crowd sound. I remember watching the during lockdown where there was no crowd sound and it was just the players because I was like, well, it feels wrong that I'm going to have artificial sound and it's not going to feel right, but after half an hour of hearing Andy Robertson say the F word multiple times, and I decided to give the crowd sound a go and it was great. It's important that crowd sound and misferiors is there, even if it means that the commentator that you don't like is in your ear. So yeah, I think it's important that we allow the commentators to do their things. Particularly in our position as well, so it's almost feels like we have to be very careful about saying, oh, I've got a preference over one commentator compared to another because we are very much in that sort of, yeah, I mean, you know, people in glass houses knew I was going to mess that one up. People in glass houses don't throw stones, et cetera, et cetera. Is that the saying? Sam Hutchinson is the one where I would openly say like, I'm not a fan. And that's not even because he's a bad commentator. I just don't like his voice. And again, that's not something he can control. I'm just not a fan of his voice. Still does a very good job, though. Very very intelligent man. But yeah, that's not for me. Not for me. Sorry. Not for me, Clive. Yeah, not for me, Clive. No, Rick, no, you're back. What are your thoughts? No, on what? What was the question? Have you ever watched a football match on new or just with the sound down completely? Because you just couldn't stand at all what a particular person was saying or topic of conversation. Have you ever gone that far? Because people do do that. Two people, Jermaine Genes, and Izzy Christiansman. Every time, just straight off. Even without crowd sound. Yeah, that's what I wouldn't like. I know, I find it's not the same experience, but I just, it just spoils it. It just spoils it for me. I think Darren Fletcher is all new. A lot of people are very hit miss on Darren Fletcher. I think I really enjoy Darren Fletcher personally. But yeah, I mean, a couple of the eyes from words. If it's about the partnership, rather than... Because I like Darren Fletcher with Ally McCoist. I don't like Darren Fletcher with Steve McManaman. I knew you were going to say that. I don't like Steve McManaman. I can't eat. What I was thinking of. Very biased towards Liverpool. I don't like a commentator that is biased. We're unfortunate in that situation, but we commentate solely on year of old games. But we're allowed to be a bit biased. But if your job is not the best... That's the nature of the way of what we do, isn't it? Exactly, exactly. Commentate on your book. Yeah, it certainly a lot depends on the partnership. But yeah, Darren Fletcher, I think, gets an unfair rap. And he's very good in the other sports. I can't remember. He commentates on something else as baseball, I think he was doing. He did the Super Bowl. Super Bowl as well. Yes, it was a Super Bowl. Sorry, it wasn't a baseball. Yeah, and he was brilliant in that. He also does the Red Bull soapbox racing on Dave. He just gets everywhere, don't he? I expect he's really good in that as well. David Croft gets an unfair rap on the F1 as well. I'm excited, he doesn't know everything. And he gets something bits wrong. But I don't care, because he makes me so excited to watch F1. Just stretching further out. I end up getting myself a show otherwise we don't want that, do we? Jonathan Pierce did Robot Wars. Jonathan Pierce. Yeah, see, there's another one that used to do... I'm very familiar with him because he used to do the coverage of the... Of the UEFA Cup on Channel 5. And he used to do a lot of Liverpool games when that was growing up. With Stan Collemore and John Barnes. I don't remember his voice. Pat Nevin as well, who's good pundit. And then he seemed to get a little bit of a bad rap since Twitter was invented. And people were just like, "Actually, he's just a bit gimmicky." And doesn't really know what he's talking about. But I don't mind him. He's got a unique voice. Who's your favourite, Rick? Who's your favourite? Kenneth Wollstoneholm. What a name that is. Between the years of? I think he's... Well, obviously his seminal work was the '66 Cup Final. Some people are on the... Everline. I think it's all over. It is now. It's BTS before Tom. Yeah, lots and lots and lots of things. I just think the BBC were lucky when they had Mottie and Barry Davis. Barry Davis had a cynicism about what he was watching that I used to really enjoy. And of course, anyone who can say, "Where is the German defence?" And frankly, "Who cares?" Who's the right guy, though? But again, Barry Davis had come in towards the end of his career as I was going up. Yeah. I didn't like him at the time because for me as watching football, it was just an old man talking about the football. But it's only really when you then look back and you think, actually, when you take him to a camp, now that can understand some of the lines and stuff. It's like, I would have appreciated him more now, I think. But certainly at the time, I was very much King Mottie over to you, the voice, the knowledge he had, the package. Yeah. Yeah, undeniably. He just echoed. He did a scientific breakdown of the effect voice for commentary with its intonations and tone and everything. And... Was it you, Rick, man? No, it's not me because I talk absolutely nonsense. Very rarely related to anything that's happening in front of me. As you won't note on, I think that's an unkind thing to say. But Mottie was Mottie. Just as for the... Well, it's a podcast. Dave is holding up his book from John Watson. I think it's the book about John Watson. I don't think it's from John Watson. Sorry, yes, it's not signed from John Watson. And I'm not likely to get assigned a copy any time soon now, am I? But God rest you, John Watson. I'm going to jump in with my com, my favourite com. I think it's a toss-up for me between... Gav Cheatim and Dave Pryor. Obviously. I think both of my favourite commentators, some motorsport commentators. There she goes! Murray Walker is up there. But I think for me, I appreciate him in short bursts. I don't think I could have him as my main commentator all the time. David Croft for me is one of one. And the other one for me is Lee Diffie. He does the IndyCar coverage. And he made... There's an Iowa race other weekend that was extremely boring. And he made both of them absolutely awesome. So I'm gutted that he's leaving the NBC team. Horse racing commentator, Tom, for me. But yeah, Lee Diffie is also up there. If anyone ever hears a lovely Australian voice, I think he's Australian, Australian, New Zealand. What does that sound like, Tom? I could give you one, but I'm not going to give you that. I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of that. And it will do the service to Lee Diffie. So... Does he like carrot cake? Doesn't sound like that. No. Lee Diffie. Lee Diffie. Lee Diffie. He's just very excited about everything bless him. A lovely Diffie. Well, guys, we've gone on and on there, talking about commentators, of which we are in that very select group. So what I'm going to do before we go, I'm just going to throw it out as a little bit of AOB, as if we were doing some sort of work meeting. Tom, anything else you wanted to throw in before any other business, my friend, any other business? I don't be a you. I don't know about AOB. We're obviously in the very much the start of pre-season now, in the Premier League. People starting to come back for those that haven't played in international tournaments. Some players that were knocked out in the early rounds have started to come back for their pre-season. Is there any transfers or anything that have caught your eye or anything else in the world of football that you'd like to bring to the table before we go? Well, at the time of recording, it's very likely it may well be done by the time this goes out. Lenny Auro is expected to join Man United. I think that's an awful idea for United's side, to be honest. I don't really care what happens to the player. I think he might be all right. It's more the fact that it was quite open that he's going because it's not round trade. It doesn't look like they're going to come in any time soon. But again, I think that's just the way of the football, and there's no real secrets anymore, is there? No, no, I think it was Romano actually that reported it. If what he has said is true about his contracts, that's an awful deal for United, where his wage will go up year on year. Regardless of how well he does, his wage will go up year on year. It's like a backloaded contract. So if he turns into Victor Lindelof, that's a very expensive wage bill you're going to have with a player that's doing nothing. I'm sure United had used to that already, but I just don't think it for an 18-year-old, 62 million euros for someone who's played one full season in Legan. I'm not sure. I could be proven wrong, but I'm not sure about it. Flynn Downs has joined Southampton on the permanent. He was absolutely brilliant at that last season, so good to see he gets his move back to a team that will love and appreciate him as well. And I thought that Emerson could be off. Well, apparently he's not off now, but it'll be interesting to see if he does try and angle for a different Saudi club elsewhere as well. It'll be very nice because it means we have to make city, make difficult decisions. So more of that, please. And thank you. Quite a range of different player there you brought to the table, Tom. A little bit of everything. You know, we love a bit of football. Transfers. Rick, rude is back in the door at Manchester United. Not quite good enough at the Burnley job, but good enough to be number two. It's with Denmark. Happy days. I hope he's brought his boots. Absolute quality of a player was starting to make. Hear good things about him as a manager. Apparently, didn't like the way Burnley was set up. And yeah, I think... You know, I'd have done some... I mean, I don't know much as much about the defensive situation, but Zergzi, Zergzi, Josh, looks a good player from the stuff I've heard if he can get something. Take the pressure off. Hoyland. I think United would be a right name. Were you surprised that they went for him, Rick? Not because I don't think he's a good player. It does all sound like that he is going to be useful. Obviously, one of the things we were saying, I think we were all saying last year about Manchester United to be, "Or be good to get someone with a bit of experience to play with Hoyland." And then, you know, you might get the better of Hoyland come through, where it looks like they're going to go still quite youthful with all of their signings. It's the only worry, maybe, that you don't want to go to Chelsea for one of a better word? You don't want to go to Chelsea, but then, again, you don't want to go to Manchester United, do you? Yeah, very true, very true. Experience strikers are going to come in and do a job. I think he's a system player from what I've heard, what I've read. I think that the feedback on that is good. So, yeah, optimistic. Can't be any worse, kind of. Let's have a positive goal difference next season. That would be... And Tom, we were talking affair. At least I thought it was affair. It's been a long time that we've been recording. But Annette Betonian will be Liverpool's assistant coach going into the new season. So, how about that? Yeah, boo him, boo him. Apparently, he's a legend, 115 appearances in six years old. Agent Heittinger. Yeah, bringing down Liverpool from the inside. God, no, I can see it now. No, it's a blue nose, always a blue nose. If he's good at his job, then I'm indifferent to it. John Heittinger, welcome to the club, I guess. Anyone fancy a toffee? Oh, God, not that line again. Shaped every night from that season next. Absolute flashbacks. Nice, you David. Well, gentlemen, I think that is a good place to finish it for today's pod. So, Tom Bailey, thank you very much for your Dorset Tones, as always, and look forward to your evening off later on. Always a pleasure, lovely to be there in the crowd with my family. And we shall take in some hopefully wonderful football. Rick Hyatt, you're working late tonight. Enjoy it. Have a good one with Mr Cheaton. And thank you very much for your company here. Every minute I spend with Uncle Gav, he's always a pleasure. So, I'm sure, yeah, it'd be good. I'm looking forward to it now. I think that should be an interesting game to see the reaction after the Bristol Rovers game. And thank you, David. And thank you, Tom, for entertaining me for the last hour or so. You are very welcome. And you are also very welcome, listener. It's a good evening, good day, good morning from myself day prior. You don't know what time of day it is, do you? You don't know what time of day it is, do you? If we're any time listening, they can have us in our ears whenever they want. Okay. Whenever they want. Right, the four of you want David to sign off. One thing we do know, Rick, do you know what that is? What's that? You have been listening to... Football, what the hell? Ta-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I have two men in the hallway. I love you! Don't say that. Don't say that.
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