Football...Bloody Hell

Football........Bloody Hell

Tom, Rick and Harry ('s Dad, Shiny Dave) are joined by former Yeovil Town defender and current resident of Spain, Paul Thorpe to discuss Yeovil's first pre season friendly at Melksham Town and England's victory against The Netherlands in the Euros. Then it is time for the chaps to the chaps predict who will win El Thorpico?

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Duration:: 1h 6m
Broadcast on:: 12 Jul 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

Good ball, how the hell? (upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to the latest edition of - Football Bloody Hell. - Yes, Friday is back. I am back, Dave Pryor, back in the chair, hosting again today. And Tom Bailey has gone from host to guest, but he's still here, how you doing, Tom? - Hi, I'm very good, thank you. You've wrestled control of the Zoom details off of me and I'm more than happy to be back in my secondary position. - I wouldn't go as far as saying, "No, you're placed, Tom," because that would be disrespectful and not very nice. - But also not wrong. - Again, that's for the listeners to make their own minds up. We are here just to spread a little bit of cheer and to create some fantastic content, Tom Bailey. - I mean, we established on Tuesday that you are the Pryor force and I am the secondary in this scenario. So, I think that's kind of case closed. - Case closed, but we've also got two other storming guests a day. Of course, it's Mr. Ric Chia, how you doing, Ring? - I'm very well, how was rehab? - How was, that's where I've been. Is that what you've been telling everyone? - Sorry, I forgot that's a secret, isn't it? - I had to do my duties and do all the things that I need to do when I say we're arranging a marriage, a wedding, Abby's really arranging it all. I just get told where I need to be and then when I get told where to be, I still forget. So, it's going well, Ric, it's going really, really well. - Excellent, well done, Abby. Taking one for the team there. - But also joining us today, completing the quartet. He's back, it's Unai, it's Mr. Paul Thorpe. How you doing, Paul? - Very, very well, thank you and be missing you guys. So, it's glad to be back. - Because you've been on another little adventure, Mr. Thorpe, haven't you? Where have you been this time? - Well, as you know, I'm an old git now. So, turning 60, my wife Bressa decided to take me to Venice and surprised me there were a few guests, Mr. Pounder being one and his wife and a couple other friends. We had an amazing time and I highly recommend everybody to go there but make sure you save up for it. It's not a cheap place but it's absolutely fantastic and we loved it. Was it to Vennais Harley? - Yes, Vennais, very, very nice. - Vennais. - Very good. - It's not early. - Hey, tell you what, you've set the mark but we're welcome, that's it. - I don't know why, when you said that you were going to Venice and Tony Pounder was going with you. I don't know why but I had some sort of like, - Does your mind look a little lovely? - ITV2 trip vibes or something with Paul and Pounder. - I think to the sun. - Yes, yes. - There could be something in it. There could be something in it. - Oh, I'll tell you about it off ever. It was amazing trip and so many things I didn't know about Venice, it was crazy, crazy. - We're gonna drive around, didn't it? - Yeah, definitely can't do that. - Well, it wasn't quite Venice but Tom and I made the trip to Melchham on Tuesday evening, was it Tuesday evening? It was Tuesday evening, wasn't it? And Tom very kindly drove and we were providing commentary of course for three valleys radio and Yoval Town got off to a winning start in their preseason campaign, a 5-1 win and a pretty solid performance albeit taking into account, of course, the opposition. Tom, what did you make of the first run out? It was a good evening of football really, wasn't it? - Yeah, it was quite a nice evening except for the mishap with the chips but the football side of things, everything was pretty smooth sailing. I suppose the only issue we had was the goal that we conceded being very, I'm not sure why but to me it feels very strange, the goal that we conceded for the level of experience that Matt called has. I can only assume he's just not that sharp, still just needs to get some time in between the sticks 'cause nine times out of 10, almost 10 times out of 10, that would be saved by nearly any goalkeeper, very strange. But yeah, Harvey Greenstade looked very sharp and Jarvis in the first half as well looked really good. So I think striking options, we just need another body but we've got two good options at the moment at least and Sonny Blue looked sharp as ever. I mentioned on the broadcast about how it was interesting seeing some of the shapes that we were trying to put out in that Worthy was almost playing as a 10 at times and having Sonny and Cooper sat in the two holding roles. So yeah, just interesting to see what they're gonna line up with this season and if we're gonna have any other recruits to work alongside the rest. Also a shout out to Corey Corner, youth player who did very well in his half a football on the left-hand side. So maybe another left-back option if we so require one. - Yeah, Thorpe, it was good to get a chance to see some of the new faces in the overall lineup getting a run out. But see, you've done the grueling and stress that is a preseason campaign. Is it very much just a case of, we probably have the same conversation with every single podcast when we're in the summer months, but I'm gonna ask that same question anyway. A case of just getting minutes in the legs, finding the fitness and that's all it's really about. - Well, first game is always very difficult. Be careful of injuries and a little muscle injuries. But yeah, it is about getting those minutes. But I think it's a fantastic result. Medicine have been building their club really, really well for a few years now. And they would have really wanted to make a good showing. In fact, it's a five-one. You know, I don't know what they've got new players or whatever. I don't know too much about the Milksham team at the present time. - Neither did we call, because we rocked up to do commentary and we didn't have a team sheet for Milksham. So it was very much three passes to four and so on and so forth. - Yeah, yeah, it's like it is normally, you know, but I don't know. But no, I just think that that is a really good start. Because the one thing that you would like is that positivity around the ground, especially when you're making the big jump from conference south into the national league. You know, we spoke about it last year. You know, it's going to be, it's a tough old jump up to that level. And I think that all the positivity, I'd like to learn a little bit of the highlights. And it doesn't look to me, you can sort of like, say I'm right or wrong, but it likes to play a little bit football, but I think the ball was a little bit more direct to the front man. Was that right? - Yeah, I'd say so, it felt like it. Very much looking to get the ball up the field of play. - So that means that he's maybe trying to get his midfield a little bit higher up the pitch earlier, because he can't sit back like he possibly did in the, you know, and let his class cut show through. So to me, that would be a real positive thing. And if he keeps that going and that way of playing, I think that that'd be quite important for the start of the season against Hartley Paul and our old manager. - Yes, of course, fixtures were announced. We'll touch on that in a bit. Rick, in terms of pre-season games, generally, I mean, a wins a wins a win, but more importantly, goals are goals are goals and always good to get a good goal scoring start to your pre-season. - Not being an issue going into the season and what you don't want, if you don't want to have goggles, scoring goals pre-season, 'cause that doesn't bode well for the season. It's just about cohesiveness, isn't it? You can train as much as you like and to you actually get running those patterns and things in a competitive match, whatever standard the opposition is, then you don't know. So all you can do is, as we always say, you can just play what's in front of you, can't you? And whoever it is, a five ones, a five one. Doesn't matter who it's against, nobody gives it to you. Most of them wanted to, how much would it have done for them if they've caught an upset and they'd have, yeah, it would have been a sculpt. So all you can do is try and get some to miles into the legs of the players in a competitive match situation, get your match fitness, get your relationships on the pitch, solidified and use it for that and gradually escalate up as you go through pre-season. So improve and get better and play rubbish in the group stage and then somehow find yourself in the finals. That's all it's been, you know. - Have I gone early? - I mean, in terms of the whole evening on Tuesday, Tom, it was just a nice, I mean, it's always nice to go out back out and see some life football again anyway. You see some familiar faces. I think I've apologized to you a few times, Tom, for the amount of people that we were sort of held up with were saying, hello, how's the fam? How's it going? All right, you've had a nice summer. Yeah, all right. - Is he doing the mayor of Yoval thing again? It's everywhere you go with Dave Park. It's a meet and greet, how embarrassing. - We were set up and it just came to us. It just happened. They found him. He's got this all about him. - Let the people come to us, Rick. That's how it works. - Is that right? - But there was, the facilities are fantastic. I think you mentioned in comes, Tom, that they put in a, is it a seven million pound? Well, seven-- - Seven million pound thing. (laughing) - That's impressive. - What they said is seven million pounds on day. - In my head, I said, I was gonna say, they were given a seven million pound check. I was like, I don't think it works like that. (laughing) They've had some money pumped into the club, Tom. - How much? - And they've used it wisely. In the region of seven million? - Yes, but also I hear that according to the sources that provided me with this information, ground shared with the rugby club as well. So it's very much a community effort. So yeah, it was a really nice spot. I mean, Dave wanted to commentate on the balcony, but alas, we were allocated to the media bench, which was very nice. So we had a decent little setup, plenty of space. I'll hear some comfy chairs as well, which was very nice. - Just no power. (laughing) - Yeah, just no power. But I mean, that didn't even turn out to be an issue in the end. So yeah, the quick thinking of Dave Pryor with battery saver mode got us through to the end. - Well, as you, yes, of working in IT for the NHS, you can plenty of strings to that boat, Tom Bailey. Let me tell you, let me tell you. But there was ample parking as well, free parking as well. There was an ice cream van. It was just feel good. Who needs France versus Spain? - You can all the boxes for you. You could park and you could get an ice cream. (laughing) - Yeah, Tom, you mentioned very briefly about the chips there, but for the listeners that don't know, do you want to just sort of explain what happened? - So some little devil decided to pull a trick as old as time, and I should really be a bit more careful, which I will be in future cases, where they decided to unscrew the salt cap. Now, Dave was very kind as to buy me some chips, and I was very much looking forward to them, sort of munched them down as the second half began, went to just give them a little salt, and half the cup fell out all over my chips. So I'm there sort of shaking them, sort of twig hand on top of the chips, whisked them up and down and just do a bit of that. Yeah, sort of scraping the salt off as I eat it. I think I probably ate more salt than chips that night. So not my finest moment, but we got through some of them. - It's probably why we had connection issues in the second half, because most of the second half was just Tom trying to scrape all the salt off the chips. - We're getting inside the laptop, yeah, it's all got wrong now. - Oh dear, but in terms of the football itself, as always, Thorpe with these sorts of games, there was some trialists as well. A couple of trialists did catch the eye, but time would obviously tell whether or not any contracts are offered over the next couple of weeks. But just from your experiences, is it quite a unique situation when you've got people who are not contracted to your club playing with you? You know, some of them might stay on, but some of them you might see for a few days and then never see again. - Yeah, I've been in that situation as well. So you know, that's been asked to just pop up there and have a game with one slide that was Gloucester and then Wayne must believe it or not. And so it seems to both sides of it. It's just one when you are a trialist, obviously you're trying to impress and sometimes you may come away thinking you've done too much or you're trying to do too much and it hasn't really gone too well and you disappoint. So it's really, very much on the day if you play well or you might get a chance to get called back and you know, you really just need that little bit of luck. You know, I can't express that enough, you know, getting that luck and then you get obviously a chance to get back and then obviously like if he does fancy and then you get a contract. So it works both ways. But yeah, it's a little bit more difficult because obviously they're trying to impress and you're obviously going through your normal game and they might just give you a dodgy pass or whatever like. But yeah, it's normally all of us being a fairly decent experience just more as you go along, you get more of the ones that not making it falling away by the way, son. You sort of get your natural squad which you start the season with. Yeah, Tom, would there have some names in particular that you would say were particularly stood out for you? I mean, you mentioned about Harvey Greenslade coming on in the second half, getting a couple of goals. But what did you make other performances? I thought Cousin Dawson settled in really well at the back and McGaffin when he came on the second half, certainly put himself about a bit and I thought Jarvis really offered something in that first half and deserved his goal. Yeah, Cousin Dawson for me sort of took a little bit of time to settle into the sort of the flow of things. But once he was in, he was good, he was really good. McGaffin's definitely just another option for set pieces. Obviously, I had a decent game outside of that but he had a free kick that thundered against the crossbar. So even if we don't have Jordan Young, even if we don't have Charlie Cooper, we still got Brett McGaffin to deal with set pieces. As you said, Greenslade did really well when he came on. Jarvis looked lively in the first half as well. The two trialists, are we allowed to talk about the trialists? 'Cause we know who they are. We've really should. Just keep going with trialists, I would say. Let's be safe. Yeah, let's be safe. But I think, yeah, the trialists started the game. You got your classic line in on pre-season commentary. Oh yeah, and it will reappear on Saturday as well if we do have any trialists in the squad. Yeah, trialists at start the game, think he did really well. Second trialists had a couple of shaky moments but I think he's quite young. He looks quite young at least. So we can probably take positions, Tom, because the first one you were talking about started on the left wing, wasn't it? That was right. Yeah, so he started on the left-hand side would sort of alternate with Whittle at points. If Whittle bombed forwards, he'd drop back, very clearly dropped back to left back. So he's just a left-sided player, it seems. But he did, I think he did really well sort of bombing forwards. Dimes up into some good positions as well. And then the right-hand side player, basically right back. Yeah, a couple of shaky moments, but again, he looks very young. So it's probably just a bit of experience that needs to come with time. And when he did get on the ball, if he did make a mistake, he was very much looking to make up for it. So it wasn't like he was just not bothered. So yeah, two decent turnouts for the trialist family. Rick, what's your, I don't think I've been on the pod with you since the launch of the kit. It's had a lot of good feedback. I think the general consensus is that it's a bloody, lovely kit. And seeing it in the flesh as well, I said to Tom in comms that I think it was a darker, more of a darker green than I first thought, but I thought it still looks a pretty beautiful, beautiful strip. Are you on that line of thinking as well? I think I need to see it in the flesh. The pictures I've seen, it looks a tad shiny for my tastes, but then how that looks in the wild, we'll have to wait and see. But again, I think compared to some of the stuff we've had in recent seasons, I think that both kits are exactly what you want. There's a white away one and a green home one. And that's pretty much, that's your oval town, isn't it? - What do you think, Thorpey? Did you get a cast an eye over the launch of the new kits? And you were a fan of what you've seen? - Yeah, I've seen a few of the pictures and that, yeah, it looks very nice. Yeah, it looks very nice. So just going back to the, the, bloods are playing. And I think he's a massive season for greenslade because, you know, he's Bristol lad. Has he signed, has he signed for us? Is he? Was he on that? He's actually signed for us. Again, so that's a massive, that's a massive move for him. A really good move, not too far away from his home. The lad's knocking in about one and every four. I think that this is pivotal for his career and development. He's six foot one, striker, 20 years old. I mean, this lad's got a massive season in front of him. And he needs to be very ruthless when he gets his opportunities to get those stats moving into sort of like a, where he's getting noticed, if you know what I mean. A great club to be at, getting it right at the right time. And if they put some, some crosses and delivery in for him, this is where, if he gets his chance to play, his way really needs to sort of like shine. And I'm really excited to sort of see him play. - I think it's probably fair to say, Tom, that you've said similar about Aaron Jarvis as well. I think you mentioned the fact that you weren't quite sure, maybe what we might get from him, particularly at the national league level. You know that he's obviously got goals below. He has got goals in the national league as well, of course, maybe just not quite as many, but he certainly looked like that he could be that sort of poacher and the player in the right place, just from obviously that small sample size that we saw on Tuesday. - Yeah, he looks like he's gonna wind up defenses, definitely very much sort of running the defenders, ragged or at least sort of very physical with them. He's good with his feet as well, set up John Young with a nice little touch for the opener. And yeah, I think it's gonna be an interesting battle between him and Greenslady as to who starts. I think it could well be a case of, if you're not scoring after three, four games in a row, you're gone, well, sorry, not gone, but out of the start, line up at least. And then the other one gets a go. I think it's, yeah, they could both be interchangeable and it's gonna be a case of who can, well, they can, the obvious, but who can score more goals? They're both gonna be very good. And the fact they've got service in the likes of Jordan Young and Dylan Morgan, who deserves a mention as well, he was very good on Tuesday night. So the likes of those two, even Sam Pearson, again, we've got so many options for service. And I'm looking forward to seeing who's gonna score more goals. It could be a friendly little competition between the two. - Thorpey. - And now I just gonna say, you know, he's a six foot two, he's got that bit more experience. He's got to say he's 26 years old and he's been around a little bit more. So he should be a bit more street wise. And I like that sort of like a bit of youth for all this and that a bit of experience, you know. The last play for like Basie Stough, Luton, Bora Wood, Falkor, Unload, Sutton, Hemmohemeter, Skanthorpe, and Torquay. You know, so the Torquay as well, 56 games, 24 goals. That's a really, really good return. And that's the type of, you know, that combination where the, you know, Greenslayer could learn a little bit more off of Jarvis. And I think that if they push each other, which is what you want, I think that could be a real good combination. Still got to give them the service mind, but that looks quite exciting. - Not just the new faces as well, Rick. Tom's just listed there, the players that are already at the club. But I don't know about you, but sometimes I think when you go into a new season, particularly pre-season, your eye always goes to the new shiny players that have come through the door. And then you look at all the players that are already at the club that then roll in in the second half. And you think, I always forget about the quality that we've already got here. And it's probably epitomized in the squad that you've all got at the moment. - I think we've established that all the players are shiny, Davey. Davey, I think we've established that all the players are shiny, David, in their new shiny kits. - You don't call me that one, Eric. - Sure, it's a private thing. - Shiny, David. - Shiny, David. But it's always the way, isn't it? - It is the new things that catch up, but there's an awful lot of quality in that yoga squad. And as we said on the pod with Alex on Monday, it's making sure that what you add to it is improving it and making it better. And with what you over had last season in the squad, I think there was enough quality there to survive in the national league. So if you add things into it, then hopefully it all bodes well and it's gonna be a successful season. I mean, you've got to put your faith in the manager, haven't you? He's seen areas that he wants to add to. Maybe it's just squad depth. Maybe it's not, but we'll see. But so far, the signs are good, David. - Yes, Rick. The fixtures were announced this week as well. Thorpe, you alluded to it, but having had a little look through, are you excited with how they've fallen, or are you somebody who likes fixtures to fall at certain time, whether it be your key fixtures, where you look at the Christmas period and then you've got the Easter weekend and the first and last games of the season. But is there anything that's sort of caught your eye and what you've all been handed? - Oh, just before Christmas, partly all the way on December 21st was an interesting one. - Thanks for putting your name down for three valleys radio. Paul, well, that's supposed to have been, yeah. - It's a trip that me and my daughter once did. It's very long, got there at 4.30 in the morning. And yeah, so I could put my head down on that one. If she wants to go up there again, I would definitely put my name down for that one. - Well, you both do the comms. You can take it away. - Yeah, I'll get her on the comms as well. Well, it's a supporter life, so no problem there. But yeah, no, it's, yeah, hardly Paul. Lots of unknowns, we've had our battles with Gates head before. Boston United is always a real challenge in one. I just think we got to put our stamp on it nice and early. And if we, you always want that positive start to a season and get that confidence up and like any, any season, we've just got to put our stamp on the season. This is a, it's a really excellent lead down a very strongly, just we've spoken about this podcast before. And it's going to be interesting to see how young Lieutenant Mark Cooper's take on those challenges. - Yeah, Tom Hartleyport home to kick things off. There's always a story wherever you look. And of course, in this instance, of course, last month Darren Sel formally of this parish has taken over at Hartleyport United and will be coming down to Hereish Park straight away and be interesting battle between Mark Cooper and Darren. - Yeah, the last time they met, it didn't quite end how we wanted it to. But I think Cooper will be very much looking to exact revenge. Yeah, a really interesting start. And more importantly, we start at home for the first time in one, like there was a stat somewhere. I can't remember what it said, but we very much are a, we're going to start our way team. So nice to have a home game to kick us off. And the away day for the final day is also quite nice as well. Aldershot, not a million miles away and a pretty interesting stadium as well. So they've got nice bookends for the season. And I think if I had to pick out a really difficult month for us, I'd probably look at September where filed, not really sure what you're going to get from them. They were solid last year towards the end of the season. And then Solley Hall-Malls obviously finished it in playoffs. A couple of days later, we got Altrium, another playoff team. Oldham, they're always going to be there or thereabouts with the budget they've got and the size of the club that they are. Sutton obviously came down, so they're going to be a difficult game always. And Aldershot, who've recruited really well and I've been really impressed with them, the players they've brought in. So I think September is probably the big month for us, but you can never predict anything with the National League. I mean, four would be didn't expect to come down last season before that we didn't expect to go down. So, you know, there's anything can happen in this league. And we'll have to wait and see how it shapes out. For me, Rick, looking at the fixtures, it was apparent that I know there's only obviously one league between the South and the National League and main division, but the fixtures, they just looked like, you know, quote unquote, proper fixtures from what we had last season. That's what I was just about to say, actually. It does. It looks like you're back playing recognised, higher level football and there's more familiar names, isn't it? That's no disrespect to the... Well, that novelty we're off though, because obviously when we jumped into the National League, you were a bit like, oh, this is what we've got now, but maybe you need a league and, you know, a season in the National League South to now appreciate, you know, these names that we're back in and playing, or do you think five games into the season will just be like, well, it's the National League again. Now, quite possibly, I think, a season out in the National League South. I think it'll do everybody. Yeah. A lot of good, because there are some big names in the National League now. So it is a bugger of a league to try and get out of, but it's where we are, it's where the club find themselves. And, you know, it's a challenge that needs to be met. And hopefully, with the momentum of winning a league, which is never easy, whatever league you're in, if you've won a league, you've got something about the club and whatever, winning is more of a habit than it has been. You think about it, the last season we were in the National League, we'd add three seasons, two seasons of struggling against relegation every season and being things being a bit flat. Now we've got a promotion season behind us. Winning is more of a habit. So the expectation purely from that point of view are there. And I don't see any reason why you over can't have a very comfortable season ahead, potentially building on brighter, brighter things in the not too distant future, shall we say? But not shiny, just brighter. I think inevitably, Davy, with shiny Davy on board, I think that things are going to be shiny. But I don't think there's much you can do about that. You're going to be like that. Which is ironic, really, considering I spend most of my life trying to hide from the shiny sun. In darkened rooms. Yes, exactly. You have an aura. Self, that's what it is. Tom, I'll give you the floor to advertise the next commentary for you as well, because you are going to be there tomorrow. I will room town as well as visiting myself and sci-fi, unless anything changes last minute. But it should be sci alongside me. So there's enough room. If he's done it, ladies and gentlemen. Done it. Got it in there. He said he would and he's done it. I'm not going to the game. So it's got to be now. I think it's got to be now. Join us from near three p.m. for kickoff between Fringtown and Yoval Town. Be myself, Tom Bailey and Side Thire. Bring a new coverage of them and probably the other national teams as well, because I did that on Tuesday. So why not make it a thing? You're going to have some lovely chips, Tom? No, I'm going to steer away from them this time. You know how chips work now? So learn from that experience. Yeah, I'll be very cautious of that. Honestly, the next time it's going to be like flashbacks. Thorpe, you must be gutted that you can't get to that one, because presumably you would have been treated like royalty, would you? Or, well, I'm guessing it would have ended on amicable terms. Our championship up there and nearly a double with the cut run, we was a lovely, trying to get the club back on it as foot in. We turned up when it was the bottom of the Western League and we got promotion two years later. So, yeah, it's a special people up there. And, yeah, and I've got, you know, some good friends up there. So, yeah, gutted, unfortunately, I'm away with family. Otherwise, I'd have definitely been there. But, yeah, I'm sure that you'll have a good day up there. They're lovely people and a lovely club. They've brought the club on really, really well. And it's generally a very good playing service as well. So it's a good, you know, when Gary Johnson was manager of the Oval, we'd like the artists to host him a couple of times and bring teams down to helping with some training. And we had a good connection there. So, and I'll make that continue. Tom, you'll have to get signs for yourself and sigh, which just says, we know Paul Thorpe. And then you'll get the exclusivity that Paul would have. You know, you might get that parking space a little bit closer to the front of the ground. You know, you might not have to wait for chips, you know, all those sorts of things. We will definitely get the right amount of salt on the chips. So, for sure, like, so enjoy them. That's all I'm balancing. They are very fine. Broome as well last year did pretty decent. They knocked out Werthing, who of course made the player final in the National League South. They've knocked out Werthing in the FA trophy on penalties. So, you know, they've clearly shown they've got something about them. They lost in the next round to talkie, but talkie again. They took that competition very seriously with the state they're in. So, yeah, certainly not a bad side. No, they've definitely got some movement in the right direction and long made that continue. I want to see them do well. I've definitely got up there a couple of times this year with Mr. Pounder. Yeah, it's a club close to my heart. That's another episode in the in the trip with Pounder and Paul. You go to Venice and then you're going to Froome as well. See, there's a right to tell. You've got to come down. Again, go to Froome. Hi, this is Josh Staunton and you're listening to football, bloody hell. Right, boys. Right. England. We've done it. Who's with me? To coin the ramble. Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yee-zay! Yes, Thorpe! With air, my friend, England, are in the final of the European Championships. 2-1 over the Dutch. Little Ollie Watkins, and what about it, April Thorpe? Talk me through it. Where were you? Describe the scene. Yeah, no. I was just at home watching it and, you know, it's such a great story, isn't it? It's a good to go from to not be getting, because they say, "You're not big enough." All of a sudden, go to Western Superman, do so well, and then his career sort of takes off. And I just think it's just an amazing story. And, you know, we just got to wish them luck in the final. They're coming up against the team that have been consistently playing really well. They've got some exciting youngsters in the Spanish. In many ways, Thorpe, it's the poor Thorpe Derby, isn't it, between England and Spain? LAUGHTER They were wearing all your teeth here. So, no, I'm definitely in England, can't be sure, but, yes, I do reside there occasionally. I'm actually up there next Saturday, actually. No, there it is! LAUGHTER So, yes, mmm, yeah, let's hopefully, I could wear my English out there. Otherwise, I'll be getting the Spanish while in the Jewish league. Whatever happens, whatever the result, we know that Paul Thorpe is happy somewhere. Yeah, well, that's what we want. I want England to do it. We've got to finally cross that line and break the history of, that's not doing it. Wouldn't it be lovely if we had that opportunity to say, you know, we watched it and we were there? I trust you will be putting your villa on the market if England get the job done on Sunday. No, I was definitely not redoing that for sure, I like it too much. LAUGHTER I think my girlies would kill me. LAUGHTER But what about the game itself, Thorpe, because there was obviously a, well, let's talk about it chronologically. The goal for the Dutch after six minutes, there's a couple of comments about Jordan Pickford, but I think it was just a pretty decent strike from Siemens, wouldn't it? I listen, when you strike a ball like that, you just got to say, you know, further, I think more about why we lost it in our defensive third, at the top end of our defensive third, you know, and then it gets that energy to go there and it's just clinical. I mean, we talked about a clinical finish and it's the pace that he hit it. If you actually look at his slow motion, it's the most amazing strike and deservedly, you know, scores with that type of ability, you know, you can't put Jordan down for that one, not at all. You know, we've been critical of Jordan in the past and he's either the right man and, you know, somebody else is going to take his place and when's it going to happen, but he's consistently being energetic and lively and great within the squad and as a goalkeeper, I don't think you can ask him much more what he's given England than the fans. Maybe he's not as technical as some goalkeepers, but in energy and dedication to his country, he's been fantastic. I mean, again, penalty save, a vital time getting us through, you know, the penalty shoot out with some phenomenally good penalties as well. And, you know, you've got to take your hat off to him. I hope he has an amazing final. I think that his career deserves that sort of accolade of being in a winning team. And hopefully, hopefully he gets a chance on Sunday. Well, it didn't take long for the English to get back into it. Rick, pen or no pen? You're a lord, I thought it wasn't, but we'll take it as a nation. Was it a continental pen? There's been some attention. Forget that. I mean, the referee on the field didn't think it was a penalty. Why VAR are getting involved in that? I don't know, because we don't want them to re-referry games. The other complaint about it is soccer's handball in the build up to it. The ball struck his hand now in the Premier League. Oh, we couldn't see that. Did you not see that? You don't know what they're saying. See if people have clipped it up as the ball's coming across towards H Kane. I think it touches both his hands. So... Did you see that one? In the Premier League, if there's a touch of the hand, considering the... What's your... It's an conspiracy theory. No, I'm just saying it is obviously being a very proud Englishman and lover of the international game. I'm very glad that we've progressed. And we're in a final. You sounded very excited, Rick. Did you raise a smile, at least? There is a smile, a smile. I was just glad that the other 10 didn't let copy down. That was my main take from the game. Now, England have got better, haven't they, as it's gone on? We did say this. I'm not sure if we said it on our pod. I've heard it on other pods or whatever. But England, under Gareth Southgate, who, incidentally, will still find it very, very difficult to get a club management job, because he's a bit tense. But he's competent at an international level. England play to the standard of the opposition. If you put them up against Serbia, they play like Serbia. If you put them up against a better team, they play like a better. And that's what you can say about them. I don't think there's an awful lot of structure to the 11, because it does seem to be an 11 now. He's determined to play the same team all the way through, regardless of a couple of tweaks that were sort of out of his hand. But I mean, the first half was the best I've seen England play, certainly in this tournament. I think Foden, not being stuck out wide and playing as one of two tens, suits him an awful lot better, Jude Bellingham. If anybody sees Jude Bellingham anywhere and they'd like to point him in the direction of the England team, they could probably do with some assistance from him, because he's gone missing. I think he's too busy hiding and sharing from that Adidas advert. But they're positive to take out of it. What do you want to do? Do you want to play spectacularly and go out in the group because you've lost three games by four? Or do you want to... This is what we always used to laud the Germans about. Oh, they're a bit rubbish in the group stage, but they build into a tournament. And now we're doing it, and it's the first time Gareth's done it. I mean, I don't particularly rate him as a manager, but he's a fine international manager, and he exists to know his onions as far as he creates the right culture within that team. His substitutions are getting better, because of the easiest thing in the world after the previous games, when he's making the substitutions and he's taking K not off, would be to stick up Tony back on, because he's had previous success in the tournament. But if the right substitutions were Palmer and Watkins, clearly. So I think that that's the thing with Gareth Southgate. I think just think he's an international manager. I don't think, from the evidence that I've seen of his career, I don't think that club football seems to suit him. He didn't pull up any trees at Middlesbrough. But he certainly... You look at his record. You can't fault it. What do you think? And he deserves it, just to wave two fingers at all the people that were having a go in about it, and England are in the final. Could you say that people unfairly judge his club career, though, because he was at Middlesbrough at like 35? Yeah. And at the time, that was extremely young for a manager. Now it's a bit more commonplace. And it's worth saying as well, Tony, he got the job, because Middlesbrough were running out of money and heading one way quickly as well. So it was not really necessarily on him that then Middlesbrough ended up going down into the championship. Unfairly judged upon his club career, and people use it as a stick to beat him with, because they don't like it. Because it was a bit pants. Yeah, it was a bit pants, but he was young, he was inexperienced. And as Dave's just said, Middlesbrough weren't in a great place at the time. Since then, he's been a part of an England setup that has produced some of the best players in the world and has revitalised international football for the national team. We've made a quarter final where we lost to eventual finalists and we didn't look bad doing it either. We've made a semi-final in our first tournament with him at the World Cup. Again, people can say we had an easier draw, but you can only play what's in front of you. And two finals as well, which is the first male English manager to do that in national team history. So I don't really see how people can say he's been bad or he's been lucky or whatever. Because again, it's not like he's choosing the draw. You can only play what's in front of you and he's run it fine at times. But it's the same we're saying about the players that we've got, because we've just been saying that we've had good players and the golden generation, et cetera, in the past. But not gods, anyway. Yeah, exactly. Like people saying that such and such should be starting over, like saying that Trent should be starting over X or Y or whatever. He's playing the system, but then Mark Gay, he's playing there. You couldn't probably sit there and say that Mark Gay is one of the best centre backs that England have got. There are probably a couple of others that are a bit better than him, but he works. So why change it? Again, Anthony Gordon's probably better as a wide option than Kieran Trippier, but it doesn't work for the system he wants to use. I expect Luke Shaw will start on Sunday because he's got 45 minutes in him and it's been building up over the time as well that he has been playing. So we're going to have a left back, finally, for our system as well. I'm more confident about the final now than I thought I'd ever be. And I mean, I said we were going out on the round of 16. So I've been very happily brought on. We're Austria, Tom. Nowhere. Austria. I mean, it's bloody Turkey. I can tell people about this, actually. Steve Russell. Steve Russell. Hang on playing. You've dropped that name, Tom Bay. Dropped me a message and he just wanted to point out that Turkey didn't absolutely hold because I said they would. So fair enough. I hold that out. In terms of Thorpey's got an opinion on the pen that I want to bring in. So Tom, what's your thoughts on the pen before I bring Thorpey in on that one? The same as Rick. Not a pen. I think we got away with it. I don't really see how Kane, sorry, I don't really see how Dunfrees is meant to avoid that. He's clearly gone for a block and Kane has kicked the bottom of his boot. I suppose I can see it from a striker's perspective, but for me, that's not a pen. I think we got away with it. I think the wording that VR used was that Dunfrees was reckless in his action. And I suppose it's in the tournament. They were wanting to really clamp down on anything that they think is deemed to be reckless. Yeah. And that was a threshold they were working towards. Subs up. Yeah. You can see it. But again, I personally, even as a defender, I don't think that's a penalty. I mean, as well, I found it interesting that on the half-time analysis, Gary Neville, didn't think it was a penalty, but Ian Wright thought it was a penalty. So Shryker's obviously benefiting from that, gonna say it's penalty defenders saying it's not. So yeah, I don't know. It's a master of opinion, and I'm sure Thorpey's going to might drop on us in a second, but I think being record in agreement over something. I've got a question for Thorpey. Before we go to Thorpey's analysis, Thor Thorpe, as a central defender, did you ever get your foot that high? Do you have a sticky ready man when you're Thorpey Sam? You see my tackles? That would be low. Yes. Yeah. Thorpey would have been sent off for a low foot. For a low foot. Yeah. Not right. You've got that therefore. Come on, Sam. Do me. So I ripped my hamstring. Go on, Thorpey. Before you give us the intel that you've got, what was your initial reaction when you saw the referee going to the screen? What was your... Was it a reaction? So my reaction from the initial tackle was penalty. Okay. And I had a little disagreement with my wife, she said, and I'd like to say that... And then you start talking about the football again. Yeah. Neville, Keene, Dixon, I don't know why we've got a Lady American analyst on the laws of the game and the laws of penalties, because she even said it was no penalty, right? And then obviously then it developed into it. So let me go through... This is from a local referee who's a stippler for the rules. And this is exactly how I see it as well. Okay. So, right. You have to be in control of when you make a challenge. Okay. High foot. Okay. Higher than normal. Okay. Luncheon. Both of those themes are not in control of your stealth. The important one, studs showing, making contact and the word is after the ball has been struck and it was late. Right. So you've got... You're not in control. You've got a high foot, you're lunging, so you're still out of control. Your studs are showing. As soon as you show your studs, even in the Premier League nowadays, they deem that to be a foul. And I think the big one is anywhere in that outside the box, that would have been pulled up as a foul. So, especially with the rolling around, I thought he was out of the tournament. I thought that a metal tassel had gone. He was finished. I thought it was a reckless challenge and my initial thing straight from it was penalty. So that's the reasons why, I believe, in the rules of the game as they stand at the moment, the reason why it went to VAR, that would have been a mistake, a critical one. And would he have shot a gone in? I don't know. I've probably got exactly the same place, but I feel that and the laws should state that that was a reckless challenge. So that has put that to bed. We can only say, in my opinion, but again, you know, Keen and he's played, Lawvin's all said no part from writing, but that's where the laws of the game stand and I said straight away. That's a pen. And then there was a delay, wasn't it? I said, we're doing the VAR now, wait a minute, then he's getting sent across. As soon as you get sent across, he's given a pen. Because when you slow it down, that's not just, he just missed it. It's a late challenge, you know, and that always looked worse on the slower. What the referee was given to see was, was, was always going to end up giving it an absolute thing. Absolutely. Got to that point. But, but that's the important one. It's late and it's reckless, you know, and as soon as he shows his studs, that's in every modern day football, you know, like in my day, when I've had, I've had five metatarsals go in a game with that exact challenge, five broken metatarsals from that exact and three of them. It wasn't three of them would deem not a foul in my day. So and I thought he was out of the tournament. So I, I, I did think it was a reckless challenge, you know, and I said penalty straight away. I actually got up and shouted penalty ref, you know, no wonder you always gets cross with your thought. But you're going to go standing up shouting things when she's trying to watch the football disgraceful. You just, you just say that randomly. Well, you know, when every day things are coming, like she, she, she brings the wrong biscuits out penalty. When she kicks me, yeah, penalty every time, I think you're doing with those reckless biscuits. I like the chocolate ones, you got our own brand reckless biscuits actually risk at reckless crisps, reckless, reckless salted chips, I think we all just had to take Thorpe's word as gospel because out of the four of us, there's nobody that knows more about central defenders, making challenges than thought challenges to me. Yeah. I got there as quickly as I could. I'm going to turn gamekeeper A Thorpe. Well, it's, it's, it's not nice being on the end of one of those, I can tell you, it really does hurt. And again, I actually thought he is, is, is, is a competition in the start of his season was finished, to be honest to you. So that's why I also believe that it was a reckless challenge to the second half because it then started to get pretty stodgy, really, there was a half an hour period, really, where it just sort of, the whole energy just seemed to get sat out of the game and it looked like it was going to be heading to extra time again. Then Gareth decides to make the changes, but let's talk about the finish, Rick, because it was a, it was a proper finish, wasn't it? Oh, the one, one of those, the suit, you sir. What a great goal. It was the Ollie Watkins goal, wasn't it? Because everybody said, single, exactly what he's been doing all season, playing fudavilla has been coming up with that sort of finish. Hello. Good to me where he plays. Oh, no. But it's good to see Birmingham having an impact on European football, David. I can't, Tom Bailey, you come in with what was your thoughts on the finish before I come in and murder and accent. It was totally lovely. Let me take you back to, when I saw that goal go in and saw the replays as well, let me take you back to immediately what I thought, 2019 Madrid, May, Tottenham Hotspur versus Liverpool, 19th minute, Divock Origi. Oh, yeah. I just screamed at that to me. Lovely touch on the first hit, bang, right into the side netting to a clinch, a major moment for a team that I love dearly. So that's how I saw it and what a finish it was. Ollie Watkins can say that he's done that and I know the media are reporting all of this as well. Nine years ago, he was at Western Superman alone. What's he? No one's mentioned it. No one's mentioned it. Five, two, three minutes. Came off the bench for Western Superman against Basingstoke Town and now he's just scored in the semi-final of UEFA's biggest international tournament to send his side to their second final in two years. So I think that's a pretty impressive rise for anybody and a well-deserved one at that. So I'm looking forward to the final. What do you think? It's all peach. You think after the game, he had himself a cup of tea and a slice of cut and kike? There it is. I can't think. It's the only thing I can say. Yeah. Do you know what I said before, Ofero? The amount of training, obviously tears, I was showing up up there and I just was gone. The amount of training that he has done, and the amount of blood and sweat he's done. Just to be clear, the training that you're talking about is Ollie Watkins in his finish and not me and my impressions, yes? Absolutely. The training is done. Yeah, the training that you've done on that, put in impression, but, yeah, it's hundreds of hours, hundreds of hours, having the confidence that the first touch, the first touch does it for me, first of all, is run with pace, is what Harry Kane can't do anymore. And the first touch gives him that little half a yard or a quarter of a yard that he's going to make. The defender then goes and lunges, which gives him the gap between the legs and then the pace in which he hits it. I can't tell you, if you talk about top strikers, Van Basten, you'd be talking about world class finishing, and I just think that all those hours just pay for that one moment that you'll never forget. It's incredible. It's incredible. Well, I get sort of like the feeling, the right feeling of what I talk about it is so bloody good and he worked so hard all his life for that one moment. Yeah, and we were talking at length on this pod about who each of us were going to take. And I think the general consensus was that we were surprised that both Watkins and Tony when, I think, I know that Rashford and Greenish have not had the best seasons, but we were expecting, you know, the general consensus was that one of them will probably come in for a Watkins and Tony, it'll be one of Watkins and Tony will probably go rather than both of them. Yeah. But both played a really integral part, they might not have the minutes, but Tony's come on, he's against LeVac Eerie, he got back assist, he scored the penalty against LeVac Eerie, what has already come and done this in the semi-final, like people were having little cameos, but they're making a difference. Yeah. Well, look at the reaction for the manager, he said Tony wasn't happy about that, but what an integral part he's played already and such a short space of time that he's had to do it. You know, and again, why wouldn't you take Watkins? I mean, he was one of the top strikers in the premiership and we've all been saying before take people who are in full, actually, the one thing. I hold my hands up, I wasn't convinced or because I know that I appreciate that with international football, you only get a small sample size, right? When it comes to friendly and stuff, because it's just not enough games. And for whatever reason, every time Watkins was playing for England, it just didn't seem to work for every reason, wherever he didn't get long enough, whatever. So if he didn't get picked, I would have been sat here going, yeah, I can see why you haven't forget the club form. I just mean in terms of what Gareth would want to do and all that sort of thing. So he obviously was able to see something that I didn't see. You know, what you've got to look at when you see those, is that all three of those players, Kane, you know, Tony and what a kids, give you something different. They give you something different, you know, Marcus Rashford wasn't informed, not playing well enough. Sorry for greenish a little bit, you know, but Gordon was playing, it was more directly and he had the extra pace, you know, I felt sorry that for the one as well, come on and done well. He's come on done really, really well. So you could see where now where his thought process was being about those players and it got, you got to say, it's paid off and again, I watched the game, the last game in the group stage and I was bored out of my tiny mind and I was feeling really angry and thinking, like, you know, what's going to go, we're going to go out next round, we're going to go. And all of a sudden, like Rick said, they stepped up that little bit of a level and then they stepped up another level of getting, you know what I mean? And now they've stepped up again and now they've got to step it up even more now to get because Spain are on fire. So what about the Spaniards then, Rick, the Spanish, of course, knocked out, who do they knock out? They knocked out France to one because I was at Melchon with Tom's, of course, I don't know what went on. But I have heard that the Spanish did quite well with a certain 16 year old apparently who's doing well at the moment. That might have escaped you. I don't know. Yeah, he won't be 16 in the final, though, will he? His birthday, sadly, that he's 17 and passed it. I did. Did you see that there is a law which stops people working in Germany under the age of 18? Yeah, suddenly, they're out. He can't do any interviews, can he? Because he extends his working out. I think the biggest challenge for everybody approaching in the build-up to the final will be avoiding all the media kissing Rod Rizas because to listen to them, you'd think this is the greatest player that's ever kicked a football. And don't forget, England have just beaten a team with the greatest central defender that ever was or ever will be. So they've overcome that sort of hype on the way up. I think England have just got back themselves, said before, they've played against the level of the opposition and Spain have been the standout team all the way through the tournament. And sort of unexpectedly, maybe? I think it's ahead of schedule. I think they've fallen into this pattern with Williams and the child on the wings. And it's that and the solidity in the midfield that's caught them there. But I think if England have a right good go at it, the worst thing that can possibly happen is England go 1-0, because you know what England do when they go 1-0, they try and defend it for the rest of the game. It probably do England a favour if they conceded first, because that's where their best performances have come from. And that's the way that I think they're going to succeed if they go ahead. And they just really aren't very, very good at game management. This is why Thorpe needs to get out there. Get a bit of game management in their side and sort it out for them. As it is in all seriousness, it is that game management that they seem to like. They get a bit clueless as to once they are 1-0 up. What do we do now? Go for a second go. Yeah. What do we sit back? What do we do? We're all very confused. Whereas if you're a goal behind, the decision is made for you. What do you think, Tom Bailey? You're looking very pensive, you nervous? Just looking at the squad list for Spain, it's just very everywhere. And yet, they've been absolutely brilliant. I mean, Iosy Perez is there and he played. Iosy Perez is there. What the hell is going on? Another one that has caught me off guard. Jesus Navas. I didn't even realise he was still playing football. Never mind for Spain. He is about 90, isn't he? He is. He's 38 and he signed a lifetime deal with severe recently. So it's, yeah, it's a bit everywhere, bit of an older defence. I mean, Carverhaus 32, Fernando's is 34, so you can say they've got experience. You can also say that they're maybe legs a little bit gone. You can use the likes of Palmer Watkins when he comes off the bench, if he comes off the bench to sort of go at them, you know, soccer, Foden, who got all sorts of threats upfront that could potentially attack an aging defence. The concern is their attack and then they feel because Fabian Ruiz has been absolutely brilliant proving to everyone why he probably should not be a PSG and should actually be somewhere else where you should be getting regular game time. They're like Stanhormo or Spinnabse brilliant, Nico Williams. So they've got plenty of options up front that could prove a real threat. I didn't hear any of that. You've been to the offy again. Moving in back. Harry needed milk and that is not code for David needed beer. Are you, are you lactating then? Yeah, I'm what they call a modern dad. Very modern. Okay, so I think we need some predictions, don't we, because that's what would normally happen on this part and it's the biggest prediction of them all. And I'm even going to go as far as saying that this is El Thorpeko. Happy with that one, Tom? Yeah, they'll do. So England versus Spain, can England win a European title in Berlin? Yes. But will they? Oh, it's going to be a journey, isn't it? It's going to be a journey. Do you know what? I've just got a funny feeling it's going to go the pens. If we need it close to them, if we can do our defensive role and we can lift our game to the standards that they have, if that's a massive if, because I think they'll be head on favourites to win the championship, and if they did, you put your hand up and say deserved it, everything will be a bit of that. But if they can, I think it's just feeling it's going to go the pens. And if we're going to win it, we'll win it on pens. There we go. That's my prediction. Score draw. Score. One one. One, I'm sort of on the same line as you. I'm just thinking, am I leaning towards a testing or what I want to have not brought that out for a while, but again, that might be a heart-rolling head, but then having said that at the start of the tournament, if we were saying, well, regardless of what happens, but you'll be playing Spain in the final to win the Euros, at that point, you'd be like, I think you take it when you're Tom? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I mean, again, I said we were out in the round of 16, so this is all a bit of bonus for me. It's lovely. What kind of rostria are playing in? No, no. I mean, they've got some excitement. I mean, we all talked about the youngster, you know, your mouth, but he is one, you have got to watch out. And then just the way they play, the way they play, I don't know, we've got to get the ball off them first, you know, but I think that is only, I think there's one team that they'll be frightened of and they're playing them. Big, big from Thorpey. The one team that can beat them, they're playing them in the final, you know, and I just think that for whatever reason, we could pull out a performance and they know how big those players are in the premiership and I just think that, but Yamal and the youngsters, they play with no fear. They play with no fear, you know, and that's what worries me. I just think that, you know, they've got a talent and they've got the ability to score amazing goals, but if, but the one team that can beat them, say they're playing them. So, you know, hopefully we get our dream. Tom, Nico Williams has been great as well, and we don't know if Rat is going to even be back after his freak injury, he will, but it's fate, it's fate, it's fate is going our way. I think you just don't, but that's the thing we said, it was going to go our way last time and it didn't. And that security guard was English. The ultimate ripple effect, I'm going to be positive, I can't be pessimistic in a situation like this. It's not, there's no fun in doing that. I'm going to go 1-0 England in 90 minutes. Wow. I came in penalty. No, I think I think. Hamal. Gordon, that'd be a story, Gordon comes on. It can't be, it can't be Jude, oh, who am I going to say scores? Gay, head down. Yeah, crazy. Jon Stone. Jon Stone. It's going to be really uninspiring. Karl Walker will score. So play is going to be massive. Yeah, absolutely. One thing about the Spanish though, they do give you the odd chance. Yeah, yes. Germany has far too many chances, you know, Germany had far too many chances against them, right? So they do give you chances. Come on, Rayne. You've actually been playing. Sorry, would you like me to join in, because I do love a bit of international chat and I'm a big, big fan of England and a big time. It's yours. It's all yours. Sorry, that's a good. Patriots, Rick. I am. Okay. 90 minutes. Desmond. Ooh. Ooh. I don't know if my heart could take that. I don't know. How about you, David? It's not about you, my friend. It will be. England. We will move into extra time, two periods of extra time. You mean doff, doff. Doff. Doff. They will be doff. Doff. Okay. You're in first period of extra time. Nothing much happened. Cast your minds back to a game. I go to the kitchen. I pour myself another glass. Thorpe's in there. I've been around with Mrs. Thorpe because he said something to upset her during the 90 minutes. It's all to do with what's going to happen with the villa in the last 15 minutes. Yeah. She's having a bit of a moment. But anyway, it's England to Spain to cast your minds back to Manchester United versus Wolverhampton Wanderers in the Premier League. Copy Mayno. Oh, God. Extra wall up outside the penalty area. He beats one man. He beats a second man. Oh, well, if he does. If he does. Into the bottom corner and the true English superstar of this tournament is anointed. I'm going to be free too. Wow. I'll go for that. I'll go for that. There is literally only one reason that I don't want that to happen is because we will never ever, ever hear the end of it from you. That's the only reason I don't want that to happen. Yeah. And he would know that we could only go, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Well, do you think? Yeah. Just putting it out there. That's not. Only reason I don't want that to happen. Otherwise, I'd love every single second of that. Yeah. I'll go for that. I'll take it. And you didn't get us over the line. Tom, don't shoot the mess in just some. Let's go. He's read the script. Listen, wherever you're going to be watching it, whatever you do, just enjoy it, enjoy the moment. And hopefully you get this historic, historic feeling because I can't even comprehend what the nation might actually be like. If we do this, obviously we came close last time around, but I think, I don't know, I don't think even anybody will know how it will be like until if, when it happens, and then it will just. Dave, can you just make me one promise? Should England win the European Championships? You don't embarrass yourself with a flare like you did it when we stayed here. That was you. I know it was you. You say, oh, you've got to present football bloody hell in your pants. Come on, England. I think we'll call it there. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Did you give you a prediction? Yeah, I said the same as Thorpey. Oh, apologies. Tommy, you always get the same as Thorpey, doesn't he, no, you say it. He loves sitting on the Thorpey bench. He does. Thorpey, you married the wrong woman, you should have married Dave. And I'd put out. Oh, well, dear me, that's Lauren. I think we should bring this to a close, Tom Bailey. Thank you very much for joining us, my friend. It was always a pleasure, of course, you can hear us on Saturday, myself and sci-fi for coverage of Froontown versus Jabletown. And hopefully the next time you speak on football bloody hell, we'll be European champions. Oh, yes, sounds nice to talk. Whatever you're doing, enjoy l Thorpeco and I hope that goes to the way that you really, really want it to. I certainly will. It'll be really, really great and very, very good, very, very good. And I shall embrace it. So I shall be drunk for two days if it does happen. Just two days? The last time it was two days, yeah, when Liverpool were going to get the amazing comeback. So, you know, we'll just go for the two days. No. My Dave's going to celebrate your thing and pull it off. He's going to be sober for two days. What's it going to say, drinking for two days? I'm drunk now. Rick Hyatt. Thank you very much. You're very, very welcome. It's a pleasure to be a little ray of sunshine on these international occasions. And don't forget, empty the trust fund, three, two, England. Thank you very much. Come on, England. Come on, boys. You have been listening to football bloody hell. That felt really good tonight. Harry's asleep upstairs. Yeah. Dave's getting his now. It's time for your afternoon kick prior. I am going to have to slide straight out that exit door because we've had some people to turn out. Dave? Yes, mate. You can say magistrates. You don't have to just say people. Tom Bailey loving. Yeah. Oh, I know. It's too lovely. Go on, Tom. Do it. Bye, guys. Bye. Bye.

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