Football...Bloody Hell
Football........Bloody Hell
It's Euro 2024 all the way with just a snippet of Yeovil Town with tom White joining Hilda, Gav and Adi
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- Duration:
- 1h 5m
- Broadcast on:
- 24 Jun 2024
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- mp3
[music] Good evening and welcome to another edition of Football Bloody Hell. [music] On the show tonight we've got Dave Hill the Prior. [music] Tommy White. [music] Gavin Sheetham. [music] And me, Adi Hochwe. [music] So I'll get yourself a quick gin and tonic, settle down for a little bit of football banter. [music] Good evening everyone and welcome to the latest edition of Football Bloody Hell. Yes, we're back Monday night, returns and so do we and joining myself, Dave Prior. Tonight on Football Bloody Hell it's Mr. Adi Hochwe. How are you doing Mr. H? I'm a cow dog, how are you? Excellent, not too bad, not too bad at all. Also joining us is Three Valleys commentator, Gavin Sheetham is here tonight. How are you doing, Geoff? Very good, thanks Dave, how are you? Very well, thank you very well and complete the quartet tonight. Here's for my Yodel Town defender, Tommy White joins us. How are you doing Tommy? It's been a few weeks. All good, yes it is, thanks for not inviting me, give me a bit of rest. You're very welcome. All football day with the Euros and stuff but we'll get on tonight. We've given you enough time to soak it all in Tommy, get into that tournament zone and now we're ready to let you loose, so we'll talk about the Euros very shortly. I do just want to turn our attention to some Yodel Town chat because we've not had any Yodel Town chat really over the last couple of podcasts or so. I'm also off the pitch to start with because there's been some commercial deals that have landed this week. It was announced earlier today that Yodel Town will be continuing their partnership with Screw Fix for the upcoming season and also it was announced earlier that in the week that's all last week I should say with it being Monday that they've continued their partnership with Bamford as well. There was also an announcement last week about a commercial deal with Carling as well. So, Adi, I'll start with you. It certainly looks like that they've got their commercial eggs in a row down at Yodel Town and it all looks to be a positive. Yeah, definitely so and I guess you win the league and you expect to have some benefits from winning the league and clearly these companies are pleased to get on board with a team that is obviously been successful and hopefully is going to carry on by a successful in the new league. Yeah and with the names that we're almost synonymous with at Yodel Town now, Screw Fix and Bamford Gav, I mean then the names that we've just come accustomed to at Yodel Town, so good to have them on board again. Yeah, most definitely and just, okay, what Adi said, you know, after a promotion, you know, it's the commercial side to be easiest to ever want to be associated with it's assessmently and that's a football's no different to any other business. So, it's good to get them on board. I did have a few people saying, "Oh, why is it going to be Carling?" That's not going to match on that, but I mean, I quite partially took Carling as I do side there as I'm sure you are Dave? I'm sure you are Dave. Wow, are you throwing me right under there? I don't know what I'm supposed to say now because, you know, if the people at Yodel Town are listening, it's not my drink of preference, but that doesn't mean that I'm not pleased with the sponsorship deal that they will provide. I think that's the answer I'll give. What you've got to do is you've got to say, "Hi, my name's Dave and I'm an alcoholic." This list in the previous part, I've been up for a while. Tell me in that. Yeah, you're drinking us, come to the board. I've just realised as well that you can see that obviously the listeners can't, but in the shop, you can see the top of a bottle, but it is 0%. So, I would just like to make that absolutely clear, is 0%. Even when you're not drinking alcohol, you'll be tending drink alcohol. It's worse than before. I've never understood that. See, you know, 0%, I just don't get it. I mean, let's be fair. Like, a largre is not as nice on the taste as say, Coca-Cola or lemonade or spry or something. So, why would you drink non-alcoholic largre? I didn't get it. Yeah, I'm a getom, yeah. Yeah. If I could get the drink on Coca-Cola, I'd be over the moon. I'd be with you there, Tom, but the one thing I would say about coke is I find I can drink a half of coke, no problem. But when I start drinking the second half, it starts to labour a little bit, but if I put a vodka in it, by God, that makes a hell of a difference. Well, let's say just keep drinking half instead of a point like Trigger said. I keep seeing it on Facebook at a moment. He said, "I'm not worried about the cost of petrol. I only ever put to it, you quit it." (laughter) Yeah. I mean, it's a good point you make, Tommy. I mean, I haven't actually looked at the calorie count, but it's probably the same amount as it probably is in a normal largre, so that's probably not very helpful either, is it really? Probably the same cost as well, Dave. You're fearless. In fairness, as I've got older, I have started to think on a Friday after work, I wouldn't mind a company. A branded largre will begin with S from Belgium, I would probably do. (laughter) Still on my twat. So, yeah, I would probably, and I do quite like the taste, but I'll be honest, up until probably a year or two, I'd be like, "Well, I wouldn't drink largre for a taste." Jo, I think I realised we've got way off topic now, but seeing just to sort of round off that point, I think there is something about just finishing work, particularly on a Monday, so it's like, "Do you know what? I can't get a beer out on a Monday, but there's the same feeling." It's still all about the feeling, Tommy. That's what it is. Hi, my name's Dave, and I'm an alcoholic. (laughter) So, back to the commercial chat. Tommy, I realised, obviously, from a fan's perspective, it might not seem something very exciting to chat about, because it's all about the on the pitch, and you want the signings and all that sort of thing. But a club like over Tans, it's important that these deals get done, and that we've got big brands, and locally to the area as well, that are supporting the club, because it all helps for what will then happen on the pitch. So, it's good news. Definitely, it's nice to have names that are synonymous with sponsorships of big stature and standards. Like you said, it's hopefully something that they can look to keep going forwards into the future and beyond, so that they've got partnerships and associations with brands such as those, so that hopefully, like I said, they can do it on those as they grow, and as they get, hopefully, promoted up the divisions, then these brands stick with them and support them. Yeah, obviously, you know, every penny, every 5,000 pound is massive, let's say. So, you know, it all goes well. Who knows, maybe there's a sponsorship deal in non-alcoholic lager somewhere down the line as well. You never know. Well, you don't know that. Absolutely right, Dave. I'm sure they'll be the first ones to get in touch with you. In terms of personnel, starting with staff, because of your town did announce last week that the goalkeeping coach, Phil Osborne, after two seasons with the club, has departed. He did join when Chris Hargreaves joined Yoval back in 2022, and he remained with the team through the relegation from the National League before helping the club as bounced back last season with the title winning campaign. Gav, were you surprised to see this news? I suppose, like, the staff are the same as Fanza, you know, after a promotion, they have all wants to remain on board. So, you often see more movement after a relegation. So, I was surprised that he has moved on. But, I mean, you never know. He might feel might have something already lined up. Nothing's been announced, has it? It just said that he's left the club and seemed pretty mutual. Sometimes you do, you know. And now it's a departure from there, current club. And then, I was later there at Anvil, that's players, managers and staff alike. So, you know, he obviously works. One of the grants Smith was here the first season, wasn't he? Before he had. And then, he's done very well with Joe Day, and will be on the season just gone. So, I was a little surprised, but, you know, people move on in life, don't they? And then, so, good luck to him. You know, he's part of our success. And then, wish you were on the future. Aidee was, was Phil ever a name that you were able to capture on an in-conversation. Did you ever get much time with him, if at all, in his time here at Yovell? I regret to say, I've never even met the band, so I can't say yes to that one. No, no. Maybe you'll have to rekindle that and bring him back for a glove as in-conversation, as time's gone by. Yeah, it's fine. And, Tommy, how, how much of a bloat do you think something like this could be for the players? Because obviously, you've been inside the dressing rooms and as a player. Like, do you, and imagine it's like, it's like anything, like any walk of life, you will get, you know, members of staff that you get quite close to. And so, you know, this might be a bit of a blow for some of the players in there. Yeah. Yeah, I think it could be. It depends on, you know, I don't know in very well either. So, it depends on- I suppose, sorry, now I've said that. I suppose it's different with goalkeeping because they have a fair amount of their own. I was going to say a little bit less for some of the players, because the goalkeeper, you know, they always say the goalkeeper is union and the goalkeeper, you know, the goalkeeper is a lot of your own thing as a separate. So, the goalkeeper is probably more so. But if he was a bubbly and lively character in an around-addressing room and off the pigeon thing, then it could have a bigger sway on what he was like. Now, I don't, like I said, I don't know him. So, I can't pass comment either way. But, you know, and then there's always, you know, it's up to Mark and I, the gaffer is obviously replacing with. I'm assuming it will replace him with someone that he feels is right for the dressing room. So, you know, maybe that will be a character or a discipline area or whatever he feels. He needs to add to his staff. So, you know, sometimes sometimes it's good, because, you know, as a player, you want to impress coaches and managers and owners and the like. And, you know, if you've got a new coach coming in, you know, sometimes you've got to, I'm gonna say step up, but you might feel so you want to impress him as well, because, you know, he's going to report to the manager what he's seeing on a daily basis or whatever the case may be. And if he's in charge of a shooting session, obviously he's going to be focusing on the keepers. But it'll also have an element of, you know, what players have been doing X, Y or Z, and what their attitudes are like and stuff like that. So, you know, it's up to the gaffer there to bring someone in for his staff that he feels is suitable. I think another thing, Dave, I do remember when I was at the Oval that we had Len Bond, was the goalkeeper and coach, and we had Chris Wills and Steve Collis. And they were a fairly tight little unit, really. It has to be said. I mean, Bond was, was on-- - Yeah, John Seffield before it. And they had obviously got on Seffield from Plymouth as an experienced goalkeeper, sort of when Tony Pennock left. - Yeah. - And obviously at first it was, he was sort of quite, I think he meant to Chris Wills quite well for the first. So, you know, John was quite a quiet guy in general. You know, he wasn't, he was humorous, and a nice guy, but he wasn't exactly the life and soul of the dressing room. - Well, it was Len Bond was, of course. - Yeah, although the lads did, I think I've said this on here before, but I'll repeat myself, because that's what I did. The lads used to say it was his birthday everywhere we went. So, whenever we were at a restaurant or a dressing room, always John Seffield's birthday. He'd have about 25 a season. (laughing) And he'd bring out the cakes and all that sort of stuff, and he'd have to stand on the chair or whatever. Yeah, it was funny. I think after a while he got fed up with it, but he just went along with it. That was funny. - Particularly in places like Tamarino's, because they really go for it in there as well, don't they? - Yeah, exactly, yeah. - In terms of playing staff then for the new season, we just speak this a couple of weeks ago, but not necessarily with you guys. Someone that catches the eye, obviously, is Aaron Jarvis, someone who's been touted for quite a while at Yoastown, striker coming in from Torkey United, and his record sort of speaks for itself as well, particularly at this level, but that must be someone that you're excited to see for the upcoming season, Gab? - Yeah, definitely. I didn't think it was going to happen, 'cause the rumours were the Gary, who's gone as director of football, to chat with him, wanted to take him to chat with him, but Michael Flynn, the new manager up there, he's obviously the manager of his director of football for chat with him, and he overruled Gary and said that he had another striker in line to chat with him, so that would take good for us. I believe they offered rumours as to be lead from social media, they offered him more money, and it was also going to be in the low chat and got rid of Gary Lee, still wild, a league above us and a league side, so yeah, definitely is someone on that, and I know he's got, he obviously knows, another of our summer signings, directed at Gavin with his teammates last season, the season before, when Frank Newglade went there, when he didn't come to go over, they linked up, so I know Frank Newglade was quite uh, extra in his air if he, Aaron Jarvis is, you just frozen, you're wondering if it was me? Oh, have we lost in mid flow? Okay, but I think we got the main point there from here. Oh, he's back. I think we're attacking mid fielders, but Aaron Jarvis is going to be our main, number nine for the fourth coming season. We need a couple more out there, I think, to go with him, but yeah, we've done a good business, I think, so far, we've got decent amount of squad, we've got a squad of like 17 or 18, which for your whole time, a week before proceeding is that, unheard of in that recent years. Luckily, Gavin, we, we got all of your point, you did break up halfway through that, but we did get most of your points, so that was, that was good, that was good. I repeat myself like Tommy, so I, I just lost that. We get one of them. That's a graph. I say that. I said I repeat it and I think twice. What's that? You naughty man. Um, Tommy, what might be, what, what I find interesting is that last season, Yobletown, they're strikers, good strikers at their level, but they weren't hitting 20 goals a season. The goals were shared around, and they've now got somebody who could potentially be that man. I mean, somebody who's played in, played in teams at this, in and around this level. Do you have a preference really of, whether or not there's goals from one player, you're reliant on one player, and is it better to have goals from everywhere, or how, how do you, or does it not really matter, as long as they go in? I think if I'm honest, at this standard, I think you need someone who's going to give you 15, 20 in your team to be seriously pushing anywhere, or to have much success. And I personally think that's probably the best way to go, because sharing them around, you never really know who's going to start each week in week out, and then it's like, well, he's in, and he's in, and you know, you're chopping and changing all the time, because I think if you've got one guy who you know, does deliver, as I said, 15, 20, 25, whatever it could be, depend on service, then you stick with him, and you know, you have your certain way of playing, based around his strengths, what I say, based around his strengths, which obviously, which his strengths couldn't add great effectiveness to your overall team performance. So I think it's nice, personally, to have, you know, an 8-1-8 stroke who's going to bang them in, and then everyone else does chipping in around it. Probably have another striker who's going to get, you know, 10-12, hopefully, and then wingers chipping, fielders chipping, blah, blah, blah, but yeah, I think that's quite nice to have, you know, I think teams like it, as well, fans like it, you know, kids like, kids like looking to the gold scorer, you know, kids want, you know, nobody wants to watch the centre back, get his heads kicked off, you know, want to watch the striker score goals, you know, that's the way it is, and that's football, I think so. Yeah, I think it's always one-out-and-out for me, would be ideal. The question is, I was wondering, you know, is it a figure that you could put on a team to score goals, from the point of your being up in the mix, and possibly, you know, promotion candidates? As a, sorry, as a team, team of Matt goals or... Yeah, a team of Matt goals, but obviously it relates to whether you strike, as you said, when you have your chip in. I think as an average, you've got to be score sort of two, two and a half goals, a game in you, as an average, I would have said to, to seriously be somewhere near the top, to a game and probably get you somewhere near. Obviously, you're going to have a few freeze and four, you'll have a few nails and one, so I think to get yourself in amongst the challenge and stuff, you've got to be scoring 80 goals in a season. So he looks, he, I'm not these good score 80 goals, but I mean, Mr. Jarvis looks like a player, a striker who can find the net on a fairly regular basis, if you look back over his last two or three seasons. Yeah, exactly. So, like I said, if he chips him with, I don't know, 20, 25, and someone else gets 15, and then a few, five and sixes around, then just heading towards that magical figure on. Again, it depends on you letting, if you're, if you're letting in, you know, if you've got to talk, talk back for, and you're only letting in, you know, point five, half a goal of every, or half a goal again, then you don't need to score as many, but you know, for me, if like I said, if you, if you're going to score somewhere around 80, you should be up there. Around the top. Yeah. I mean, that's without looking at research and stuff, that's off the top of my head, but. Yeah. Yeah, but your head's pretty generally, you know, pretty informative. For a moment, right later on, if you want. How's that love going down, David? I see a sneaky swing just then, so yeah, lovely and refreshing, lovely and refreshing. Why have you got a storey head? Not a storey. You're seeing things. Now, I'm not going to straw-pedo it. What would be the point? Oh, god. You're having shots of water as well? Yeah, exactly. On paper, please, sir. Hi. My name's David. I'm an alcoholic. Yeah. But listen, there's a lot of wonderings of what's going on. When they start pre-season, sorry, I may find that going back on old news there, but. I think it's a better subject than me being an alcoholic. Can you take it, Gav? Yeah. Yeah, I think they're back next Monday, Tom. Okay. First of July, isn't it? So, yeah. And then the first friend leaves for the week, the Tuesday night. Did you feel that there was room in their squad for many more yet? I don't know. Well, we've got something. We've got five on again soon. Five new sign-ins and one that was off the sand pace and he was off for the contract because he was just six-month-long when he left Bristol City. He's signed for another year. The other one he was offered the contract. It was out of contract. Rich Murphy, he's moved on. So, yeah, we've got some 17 at the moment. So, I would say, well, we haven't got a, we definitely need another gold keeper. We need some competition for our next winter at left-back because Jay Fullston, who we all thought would be the competition at left-back, signed for Torkey. And we've got one centre back in, haven't we? So, challenge Morgan Williams and Jay Cornwall. So, we probably need one more centre half, another left-back, maybe a one more centre midfielder and definitely a couple of strikers. I think we'll probably wait now, we'll probably exercise a loan market now. Yeah, that's what was coming back. And then it filters down on the primitive sides. Yeah, that's what was going to happen. Yeah, so that's right. Then they've got a bit of a big loan around here. By the late start this season as well, August 10th, it's not only the first weekend of August, but our season then starts up the weekend of August 10th, which is quite a long close season because it can be finished our season because we obviously went apps as champions, so we went involved in the playoffs. So, we've all done and dusted by the end of April. So, it seems quite a long close season now. Yeah, true. I think that kind of dictates the number of friendly matches we've got lined up, really, pre-season. Yeah, I think it's got seven so far, isn't it? One, two, three, four, five, six. Yeah, seven, so, you know, that's quite a lot of games, really, started on the 9th of July at Milksham Town. And three valleys will be there. Indeed, they will. Nice little link. Indeed, they will. Yeah, we'll be looking to cover all the friendlies. Have another drink, Dave. Go on, have another drink. It's the off season, why not? Why not? Well, we'll turn our attention to the euros then. That's what's been happening. That's what Tommy White's been watching. That's what we can ask him about, but it's probably not going to be too happy with the first question, because it's probably we're going to have to talk about England, aren't we? I thought so. Oh, I thought you're going to ask me about Albania, he says. We will talk England to start with. Two games in, four points, top of the group. That sounds all right. However, the performances have left a lot to be desired, particularly the Denmark game, when all eyes were on the tactical, or the lack of tactical awareness, I guess you could say from Gareth Southgate, the fact that he's stuck with the same team as well, persevered with Foden on the left, Bellingham is the 10 and Trent is the midfield player. Tommy, how have you seen all of this so far? Let's park looking ahead to Slovenia for a moment, but what have you made of it all so far? Well, watching the game, the first game, you could see it was pretty obvious that we sat right back. Everyone sat back, that the defence didn't push up second after the wingers dropped in. You know, we did put them under any pressure, and then watching the Denmark game. Well, there, Harry Kane's on the edge of his own box by the time they score, I mean, near enough. But what was really frustrating, and obviously you can watch it and you can see it, but Harry Kane actually said in his interview, after the game that Gareth had asked him and Bellingham to go deep of their centre midfielders when we got, when we were a goal up. Now, what is that? I mean, I just can't fathom that from an international manager, and someone who's played the game that his own, his furthest men forward are deep of their midfield. How are you ever, ever going to push up and make an attack when your players are so deep? It makes it easy for them to defend, because you're all in a tight small area, so their players are always close to you. So when you receive the ball, you don't have a lot of time or space to do much with it. The matter I gifted you are, you know, an international player is going to be able to get close to you or put you under pressure in tight circles. So, Harry Kane, if we do clear it, which we try obviously not to do, we don't really look what some people clear it nowadays, but if we do, they've got a back three and two centre midfielders deeper in for them, than any of our guys anyway. So we're never going to get the ball. I just, honestly, it is just, and there are jokes going around, I'm going to chuck a couple out there just for fun, about how defensively and how negative Gareth is being at the moment, and some of them are, he puts his phone, Gareth puts his phone on safe low battery mode at 99%. Gareth Southgate, where's the seatbelt on the toilet, was one. Gareth Southgate, here's another one for you. Gareth Southgate, where's Shimpad's playing FIFA? I mean, there are loads of good ones coming out, but it's so true, you know. He wears Gareth's, Gareth Southgate, wears a helmet on his peloton, another one. So, and there are 20 of them, you know, it's just so frustrating. You wait for an international tournament to come around, it comes around, and you play so negatively. You know, we've got some of the best players in Europe in the top divisions, sorry, I'm going off on one now, but we've got some of the best players in Europe, and we're playing like we're Northern Ireland or something, you know, just camping back, sitting back, and making it hard, you know, offensive Northern Ireland, and any fans out there, I do apologize. We're probably very good. I just can't, I just can't get over it, you know, and as bad as any England fan, I'd imagine two hours before kickoff, you start getting all excited, and yeah, this is the game, yeah, I would turn it on, man. And then you watch that. I just, it's frustrating, so frustrating. But for me as well, Tom, like, and I'll come to you in a sec, because I know you made the point when we were on last week about the fact that, you know, England have been touted as favourites, but look at the other countries that are there. But I think particularly in the last couple of tournaments as well, I haven't seen this performance in England. I know the results in the recent friendlies haven't been that great, but I hadn't really seen anything from the tournaments, which made me think, oh, we're going to end up being, you know, really cautious and stuff. I know Southgate's got this sort of reputation, I guess, as a bit, you know, Gareth Safegate, if you like, but I don't think that's necessarily been representative in the recent tournaments, not always. Sometimes, yes, whereas this time around, it seems to be that there's so much hype, it's the best squad that he's got. Suddenly, he's gone, oh, I can't, I've got too much attacking talent, and therefore that handbrake is just fully on, because he just feels like it's, yeah, it's gotten to his head. It seems to be a lot when we go a goal up. So we go a goal up, then we protect it, and we get defensive. So Croatia and two tournaments ago, and then Italy in my Lucchel scored Italy the same. We score, and we just sit back. Now, I know in most football, to be fair, if two teams are fairly equal, and one team's winning, the other team are going to put you under pressure, and they're going to play maybe a bit more direct, and especially towards the end of a game sort of thing. But we're doing it after like 25 minutes, half an hour, you know? I mean, like the first half of the second half against Serbia, it's just what, you can't look, the defense aren't trying to push up. So if the defense don't push up, the midfield can't push up and support the front then, you're never going to have any sustain to the tax. Look, I'll be honest, I looked at the game the other day, and I sort of fall to myself. If Pep Guardiola was in charge of that England team, do you think that would be happening? Do you think that's how we'd be playing with the talent on offer? Do you know what I mean? I know it's wishful thinking like Pep Guardiola is managing England, but I think there's got to be managed, a lot of managers out there that would clop, get cloping. You know, I'm a minor fan, but I'd have clop as England manager over this, at least he can't tire the players out, because he'll have a few different ones in a couple of years time, you know? It's just, it's just, it's just abysmal, to be honest with you. You might have ability in that squad. We might have ability players not even there, and we've got that squad, and we're playing like that. It's just atrocious for me, to be honest with you. It's that bad. Well, I think you're speaking on behalf of the nation there, totally, particularly after that Denmark game. Gav, do you see it in the same way as Tobi? Yeah, I just think the, like Tom said about Pep Guardiola, they've been in charge of it, but I mean, was there free man sitting players in a mass, folding walker and stones, and they were playing like, you know, you put him in an English, and the folding's miscontroller, and he's not involved in the game. You know, Karl Walker's getting outpaced, and John Stones, he's, I know he's missed about free injury and through rotating his center backs, but he's in play about half a game for that. Yeah, the players, I don't know, he just put them in an English, and they're just not reproducing that, their club level, and they just think, like Tom said, that the Serbia game, it was like the first half when we scored, and then we didn't press on, and try and get that cushion of a second goal, and after a half time tweaking by the Serbian manager. Because sometimes, I've not always agreed that Gareth Seype said that in negative manager, but when you see the, you know, because obviously, you've got, other teams are going to come back into it, but Serbia was only the first half, and then we were on the back third, and what Tommy said, not even half canaryons, and Denmark game, we were going to see it in the night. He said about how he came, he was back beyond the set pass, and it was from the throw that Harry came. Do you remember, give a loose pass right into that bloke, got out his face, and had a pop shot? He had one touch in the opposition podium here, and that was his goal. That's it. All game. I know everyone's seen that. One of the best strikers in the world, and he's had one touch in their opponent area. It's just, after the England game on, because we were in the Teton game, won't we? And then it was, uh, spainously, it's like, I've watched football, a lot, you know, ever in person, or over telly over the years, and a lot, you know, and I always thought of the doubt, people go, "Why can't we do that?" and go, "Well, that's because, you know, with respect to your players, Tommy, and all the players that have played, you know, it's because they're at the overtime for a reason." And you still see, even at this stage, you see mistakes, you see mistakes internationally, we see mistakes every weekend on Sky. But watching that Spain Italy game after the year of Denmark game, well, it was like me coming back from the year of the game, and then coming home and putting the telly on and watching a British year game. The pedestrian display from England, and then you watch Spain, and Spain were like, well, I'm amazing, they only won one little day, but they were so on the front of the front, and the pace and energy and enthusiasm, compared to that England performance, especially the more Spain went on, which Jork and James. There was a time where Foden came in off the left, and he got the ball, he turned, and he had a sort of a bit of a run, and really, he should have tried to slip, came in. I think if you go back and watch it, I am going back and watch it, but I remember it. But he tried to do too much, and he had a bit of a shot, which went up too much. But again, the reason he's done that is because he's frustrated in how the game is going, so when he's had a moment to shine, he's tried to do something that he might not have done. He wouldn't have done that if you'd planned for Man City, he'd have probably slipped holland in. But because he's getting frustrated at the lack of touches, and the matter ball that we're not getting, you end up over trying to overcompensate, and when you are in possession, you try and do too much. And, you know, he's got no support, and you just try and do too much, and then your game's going off, because you're trying to do more than you should be doing. It's just, I just don't get it. I honestly don't, with that squad of players, you know, like you've touched on there, some of the players that are playing, you've never seen playing that for the club team. How do you relate this, though? You look at the first game. I mean, as Dave said, I did come on and say that I couldn't understand how England were being, you know, hawked around as favourites when you had teams like Portugal, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, still there. I mean, you know, they're all good teams, and I wouldn't have put England ahead of any of those, but based on the first game, when we all went into absolute raptures about Jude Belling was performance, which was good, to be fair. I mean, he was anonymous almost in the second game. I didn't see him have any distinctive additions in the game at all, which I thought was strange. I think the point that somebody made that, you know, the players aren't playing to their club form, but they're not playing to their club positions, but I wonder whether the fact that Gav Southgate has come out and said that he thinks that this could be his last game as England manager. You know, is he trying subconsciously to play defensively so as he can get through as far as he can, so as he can keep intact his England record? I don't know. I mean, it just seems it just seems such a negative approach to the game. Exactly. Just to touch on, like, I know we're talking about favouritism there, or favourites for the tournament and things. I think we're drawing favourites with France when we were at the start of the tournament. I think we should be. Look at the squad we've got. If I said to you, there's the Italian squad, there's the England squad, picking 11, eight of them is going to mean eight of them will be England players, if not nine. Same with not so much Spain, they're probably a bit more equal, but any other Germany, France could be could be five and six if one or the other, maybe, probably even then I'll be honest, probably six or seven England. We have got, I think, easily the best squad and the best start in 11. I know we're playing paper on paper. We do have the best squad without doubt, you know, there are players in the tournament, you know, Mbappe, to cut the Spanish lads, the young Spanish lads, Rotary, you know, I know it's Bruno Fernandez is a good player, David Silver's good player. There's some other great players in the tournament, 100% Greensmen's good player, but as in my opinion, as a group, we have the best squad and we should be favourites, but we're not playing like we're anywhere near one of the best and that is ridiculous. There's talk now of bringing in Connor Gallagher. No, it's just it's just one change going to make that much difference and take, I guess he's going to take Trent Alexander out of the firing line, but you know, if he just makes one change and thinks, well, that'll do to keep everybody happy. It's not going to keep everybody happy unless the performance is more positive. Exactly. It's the tactic. The defence have to push up. I know it's how long. We're playing like Burnley or someone of that effect in Premier League. We're sitting back the, well, Burnley actually played quite good football to be fair, but probably someone like a Sheffield United or an Everton or an Everton. We're sitting back, we're not pushing up, man sitting push up, they were pulled push up, Chelsea push up. All these two top teams in the Premier League, they push up because you want to win the ball in their half and you want to put them under pressure and you're a better team so you impose your game on them. We're letting other teams dictate to us how the game goes. That's what Serbia did to us in second half and it's what Denmark started to do. They're dictating the play because we're letting them. It's ridiculous. I wish Christian Erikson would dictate the play United the way he does for Denmark. Well, yeah, I mean, he was, he was effective-ish, but again, he had 200 defensive midfielders alongside him. So it led him a bit of freedom and, you know, again, we... Like you say, Tommy, England just let Denmark do whatever they needed to do with the ball, didn't he? He dropped off so far back, like I said, he was just the other side of Kane. And when Kane said that in the interview, I thought Gareth has got to be absolutely ridiculed for this thing. How can your tactic as England manager after you go 1-0 at B, drop deep of them? It's absolute ludicrous. And if I was a player, I'd have to say something. Honestly, I would. I would... I'd just be baffled. The thing is, again, again, I said this a few times on there, but as footballers, you're not astute enough or confident enough or have enough life skills. And that sounds silly, but they don't. You know, they'll recognise it later on in their career when they've lived a little bit more and they recognise it a bit more. But at this moment, they just, they're just like, I don't say lapdogs, but they're just going to do what their manager tells them because that's what they are. You know, they're not, they're just not robots, but they do what the manager says. Whereas, you know, if they had a few 32-year-olds in there, they'd probably be like, oh, this thing really feel like us. This isn't how I think we'll win the war, you know? But they're not. They're doing what their manager tells them. Tom, I've got a phone call coming in for you, mate, from Gareth Southgate. Just, can you take it now? Yeah, I've got it. Yeah, I've got it. I've got a message with Peter. All right, guys. Give me, give me a break. So where does, where does this leave, obviously, with the game coming up against Slovenia? And it's strange, isn't it, that, you know, we're playing Slovenia and suddenly we're like, oh, Slovenia are a dangerous. It's like, we shouldn't be really thinking like that. Exactly. I'm worrying about. But how do we, how do you boys, what are you going to do about Luke Shaw? Because Luke Shaw, it sounds as though he might be just about fit now. Is he going to put him straight in it? You know, if he's so desperate to have a left back, is he going to put him straight away? Or is he going to wait until half time? Or, you know, how do you see him coping with that one for a start? Well, the thing is, obviously, I'm a man, I'm repeating myself again. I'm a man, I'm a fan. I love Luke Shaw. If he ain't fit, he can't play. How far do you go before you play him? Do you get to the quarters of semi-final and chuck him in? Why did he do it with Maguire and not Shaw? It's very odd. Ridiculous. Well, it depends on what the injury was. If Maguire is something that, well, obviously, it sounds like Shaw's is something he's quick to getting over. Whereas Maguire sounds like it, it could come back or it could get worse. Then obviously, they're just, he's better having the rest of it. I don't think we'll see Shaw at all. Well, this might point, should we? I mean, like I said, you've got quarterfinals, whoever we end up getting, we don't know yet. But, you know, let's say we've got Germany or France or whoever. I think we get him in semis. But if we get one of those arguments, say, do you chuck Shaw in as his first game? He said, yeah, I'd play for God knows how long. He's not match sharp. He's not match fit. Had you chuck him in at that stage? Well, as a Maguire fan, like you, I'm not sure as I want them to. I'd rather, because I don't want to lose him for me like it, because we've missed him all season. It's been a disaster. And if he is getting back fit now, we want to keep him that way. Yeah, I'm not getting that. But as again, if we're just throwing the tape to all about what's best for England, is it better? You've chucked someone in who's been out for God knows how many months in at that stage of a tournament. No, it's first thing. I wouldn't miss it too much. I mean, I've heard, I've heard like, you know, the Trent in the centre midfield, as I'm bringing Connor Gallagher, and maybe put Trent Alexander back to his Liverpool position and have right back and maybe move Walker across if you're not happy with trickier. And then you still got Trent's range of passing in the side. So that's one rumor. But it was strange when it like Dave said, he didn't pick Harry Maguire and even injured for a few weeks. And then he done the same for Duke. Sure. And then I'm not a massive Ben and Tiawell fan, but he isn't that to left that. And he was left out of the 26th man squad. So you've got white footed players, like as the first two Greek games, Kieran Trippier playing, you know, because the tech, you always want to cut in field on. Yeah. I mean, please, please try. Feels like he plays Trippier for free kicks. I mean, I'll be honest, if it was me, again, I know it's not, but I'm going to jump in and say pretend I'm the manager tomorrow. If it was my team tomorrow, I would play Ben with Royce as the two semi-fielders. I would play Trent right back. I may play Walker center back. I don't know what I have to think about or possibly put him at left back. I would play Isaiah on the left and I would play Palmer on the right. And I would bring Saka on because I think Saka does have pace. He's had two games. Just give him a little rest. Play Palmer. He deserves a chance. He's proved himself in the Premier League this season. He deserves a chance. And Saka will be a good impact player to come on at 60 minutes anyway, but I'll be looking to get Saka on, you know, quickly after half time, because he left pace and he'll have impact. And it still should be enough, regardless, to beat Slovenia. Let's get it right. Exactly. And I tell Gary Kane, if he comes anywhere into his own F and F, that I'm going to shoot him in the backside. I've got another text coming, actually, Tommy from from Pari Kane himself. I should just say, lay off lights, will you? So, yeah. Expros are supposed to be. I did want to ask you about that because we've seen that we're now in, particularly with the way the world now, social media, podcasts such as this, et cetera, et cetera. He was talking to us maybe indirectly. There's more scrutiny over what people say, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm really, I'm actually really annoyed that by the journalist in the room who actually put the question to Harry Kane and said, Gary Linnaker said this, how do you respond? Because I did listen to Gary Linnaker's podcast and they took like one line that he said at the end, like ingest, whereas he was actually really articulate with what he had to say about Harry Kane and that he does like him. He wants, we all want England to do well, of course we do, but it's also our job by definition to be a pundit and critique what we saw and nobody was coming out of that performance going, oh yeah, England did well today because that's just stupid. So, I feel like now that Kane's an answer to it and said about, you know, pundits need to be careful and it's just created more of a divide now and I think that that is also a huge problem now and we're getting, we're focusing on all the incorrect stuff. Yes, you know, I only heard on talk sport this morning about this and I heard what Harry King said back and then I heard I think it's a matter of fact or someone on talk sport, having a sort of a big back at Harry King, but I thought to myself when I heard what Harry King said, I said that he is quite clearly, Harry Kane has made it quite clear, he didn't just mean him, he didn't mean all you've taken this, he was quite clear that he was 10, some of the younger, more inexperienced players may take that as criticism and it might not, they may not cope so well. Now that could be a cover up for him, also not feeling as though he's got to take the brunt of it or how he's taking it, but it's not just him and I just thought that the guy on talk sport took it a little bit like, well hang on, you're saying Harry King took it wrong way, now you're making this about Harry Kane and Gary Lineker, but it's not, Harry Kane is then as I scored and in fairness he was again quite, spoke quite well and he did kind of say that, you know, they have a duty as experts, they must remember what it's like in these tournaments, it's not easy to walk through a tournament and win otherwise, you know, every nation. But nobody said that it hasn't been like that's what where I feel the argument falls down because then it's just creating a us versus them and it's like yeah, but the criticism has been there justified, but it has, everybody has also said yes, but we, you know, we know that they're good players, you know, it has been surrounded by good stuff, but you know, nobody really wants to report on this, let's be honest. If we put another poor performance in, you know, it's not the players, it's the tactics, it's quite simply that. I honestly believe that, I mean, it's they're not bad players, they're some of the best players in the world, you know, let alone Europe, so they're some of the best players in the world in that squad, we're doing it all wrong. So if we happen to beat Slovenia, which that's basically all two, but if he's adopting the sort of tactics that he is in the group stage games against teams that are hardly what you call world pieces, I think I'm right in saying that we could play Austria in the next round, Ralph Radnick and Cole. So what's the tactics going to be against a team like that? And then if we get through to that one, what's the tactics going to be in the next game? He's going to be, you know, we're all going to be defended on the goal line at this rate. Exactly. Go one up and see if we can hold on to it. Yeah, and if we mess up before that and finish second, then it's Germany on Saturday, I think. And we'd lose that on principle because it's Germany, isn't it? Let's be honest. Yeah. If we go one down, we'll probably wait till the 85th minute and then go come for leather, half the leather. Well, obviously we would want penalties, wouldn't it, if it's against Germany? I mean, we'll keep it tight until then. But no. I'll go round to a week of you, just in a word, Tommy, England, Slovenia, win loser draw. When? When? Yeah. When? Yeah. Wins all around then is what we're saying. Yeah. We're going to be brilliant. Five nil. We're going to get the tactics right. We're going to be in five nil. Um, good. Positivity from this very podcast. So there you go. Have a name. If you're listening. Um, who isn't positive today? Probably everybody north of the border. In sunny Scotland, maybe not quite so sunny today. Um, oh dear, where to start with them? Um, Gav, did you see any of the game against Hungary? Of course they left one nil right in the end. I thought my first orts it was like, because Hungary robed no points, weren't they? So they had to get the win. Scotland, they were saying two points probably won't be enough for the four fourth place to go through to the round of 16. And I thought for the first 65, 70 minutes. It was like, it wasn't really that many clear fact chances. And then there was the chance where, um, Gav, let me help you out. It was a hundred minutes of crap. Thank you. Both of you. It was, it was awful. It was, it was, it was, it was awful. Thank you. Go a little bit. That's 20 minutes. And, and it, but it was too little, too late. First, got with Tom and I had that chance to anyway. Did it over then? Yeah, but what about the penalty? No, because I always think, you know, referees, they're supposed to be honest and they're supposed to be unbiased and all the rest of it. But as Steve Clark said, how was that not a penalty? That's a stone wall. And, and word, not only that, why did VIR not step in and say, hang on a minute. That's a penalty. I thought that was the whole point of the bloody VIR. And he had nothing. He need him. He need him in the back of his behind his knee. Back of his calf. Yeah, he needed him in the calf. And he, he didn't know where near the ball. Joke is an absolute joke is an absolute penalty. And then I've been a quote from Chris Sutton on five live and he said that, uh, it was Armstrong, wasn't it? I think one of the self. Yeah, in his accent. He was, yeah, he said he was to invite in the contact. And so when he felt the contact in the back of his knee for himself to the ground, why didn't he get a shock away? But, you know, I, I like Chris. Does it matter? Does it matter? Does it matter if you're involved in it? I don't think, I don't think they, um, they particularly deserved it though based on what I saw of Scotland in the three games. Um, I don't, I don't, I'm not particularly somebody who like, doesn't want to see the other home nations do well or whatever, you know, if they do well, they do well, you know, similar to Wells in 2016. But I just felt with the interviews that the Scotland players were giving and particularly Steve Clark, even before the game against Germany, something seemed off. He, he was, he was angry, upset, like all pretty much all through the entire tournament. And it epitomized the Scotland performance. Like, I don't know what it is. Like, all of the, even Robertson to a point, it was all prickly and just, I don't know. And after the game, I just thought, you know what? Good riddance. You've been terrible. You've all been talking absolute nonsense as well. Steve Clark, you know, like, you just, like, I think there's a few interviews out there. Like, because we have, you know, they've had Linden dynasty going just before the tournament, but then that's part and parcel of football. You know, I have no sympathy for Scotland based on what I saw over those three games. Steve Clark loses his job. Good. I watched, I watched the game last night quite, quite close. I thought Scotland were the better team. They had most of possession. They were the better team. Hungary probably had the better chances for a bit. But when Hungary broke in score, Scotland were the ones pushing to try and get a goal. And obviously that was a penalty. It should have been a penalty. And then they were on a corner and Hungary broke from the corner to score. And I thought, Scotland, all right, they don't get it wrong. They were far from brilliant. They don't get me wrong. But they were the better team in that game last night, I think. Talking to Hungary, did you notice the substitute that came on after the incident? Built like a sumo wrestler. And the beard didn't help, because that made him look even more like a sumo wrestler than he was already. He didn't do much when he came on either. Did you see afterwards it was doing the rounds? It's like, have you ever seen a more non-scottish, scottish man coming on to play against Scotland? It was this guy? No, he was a bit bizarre. Yeah, not good. Steve Clark. Oh, go on, eight. Steve Clark has always struck me as being a miserable get. I'm sorry, but that's the way I see him. He's not got any... I've never seen him like this, though, even right from the very start. I don't know. I mean, it just didn't seem quite right. Well, maybe he was just anticipating what was going to happen. I don't know, but he just never comes on and looks happy and have a joke with the media and just generally put yourself across as being a nice bloke. He just seemed, you know, just it was all right. At the end of the game, obviously, he was upset. Well, it's stereotypical angry Scotsman, wasn't it? Yeah. He didn't do anything to help stereotypes. But the other point that he made, which I thought was quite relevant, you would have thought that for a competition such as we had, it was a European championship, but we would have a European referee, not an Argentinian. I mean, how did he sneak into the equation? You know, I mean, just, you think it would have been, you know, there's enough countries in Europe, isn't there? To find somebody to do. Obviously, not enough good referees. I mean, even ones they got here, you know? I mean, that, what about that? I'm not sure we're not talking about it, but what about going to Netherlands, France game? I mean, it's that offside. Oh, yeah, yeah. For Netherlands, don't freeze. How's that offside? For the first eight days, so the first eight days, people on social media, we're talking about, look, this is how you use VAR in Europe. It's so good. It's so good. And then after two days of our decisions, we were like, oh, yeah. Stereotype, wouldn't they? Absolutely. Still rubbish. Yeah. So, I don't know. Well, we haven't got long left gentlemen. So, I just want to just sort of, from a wider point, we've seen everyone play now, Tommy. Who is, what team do you think is looking tasty for, you know, getting far? You're going for Spain so far? I haven't seen many of the portable games, but Spain would look good. They're pressing high up. They've got lovely players. Rolter is out for the next games. I think he's suspended, but obviously, well, they're pretty much through, aren't they? I think they've won book two already. But, yeah, Spain. Looking good. What about you, Gav? I gave Spain as well. That's Portugal, have looked against me. I didn't think pre-tournament may be out there, but they, you know, they've got suction experience squad. You know, Pepe. 41, by the way. Yeah, 41, ridiculous. He's searching for an hour of Ronaldo. He said he's going to keep going. He's only going to retire from into Arsenal football when Ronaldo does, because obviously, he still wants me off a bit further. But, I mean, they've got a really experienced squad, and they look, they've impressed me. France, I think, could be okay once, as long as they're back there he comes back, because I do like reasoning. So, yeah, that might be sort of top two or three at the moment on games watched. Anyone caught your eye? You've been particularly impressed with aid? I personally like, I've got a soft spot for Portugal. I think they would do well. Not just because of Ronaldo, but I just, you know, they're a good side, I think. Hugo Rodriguez? Hugo Rodriguez, yeah. Hugo Hugo. We ought to get him on, didn't we? Especially if they go further. I'm just getting in touch with him. But, you know, Spain and Portugal, I can't, we'll have another drink. Spain and Portugal, I can't really see anyone beyond them, because I don't think Germany are perhaps quite as strong as we all seem to think they are. We've got a mental block about Germany, but I don't think other countries have got a mental block about Germany. So, I think I think they could go out. But Switzerland did a number on them yesterday. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And France, well, is that broken nose going to impede in back me to a degree that it takes the, you know, is he going to be afraid of smacking it? I mean, I don't see that. Have you ever ever had to wear a mask like that, Tom? No, although people probably wish I did. How do they impede you? I mean, you know, I know it's supposed to be there to protect you, but, I don't think, um, at our level, like that period of time, you weren't that important, they needed to get you back on the picture. They'd let you, they'd let you have a cut that gains off. But, I mean, it just takes me, I would feel awkward having to play it in a mask like that, whether it would impair my vision or not. I'm not sure. Yeah, 100%, it's going to restrict your vision to a degree. You're not going to have, you know, the same, you know, a bit like putting blinkers or chick pieces on a horse, really. It's bound to. So, whether that could, could affect France, because I mean, they do rely on Mbappe a lot for their, for their goals. So, you know, there's Italy, dark horses, you never know what Italy is going to do. They could be absolutely rubbish, or they could be really good. They came, they came tonight playing Croatia. But I can't see anybody else outside of those wood, isn't it? That's for certain, not in that include England. Um, before we do wrap up, um, Gav will start with you a particularly game of the tournament so far that you've seen a lot of the pandas were talking about the, the Turkey Georgia game for, for, for drama. Is that one that they caught you, right? Oh, you've got me on the spot there. Come back to me, don't you? How much thinking time do you boys need, aid? I think, I think the first game, the first game is quite exciting. Obviously, 551, sending off, um, that was quite a game. I do not remain here against Ukraine. That was a real shock for me now. I really, I thought Ukraine might be, don't get wrong. I never expect them to go too far deep into the tournament, but I expected Ukraine to, you know, give Romania a bit. We did a, um, Tom, we did a little review before the, before the tournament started. And we, we all looked at that group as a one that was potentially going to be quite tight. And as we record this now, all teams are on three points going into the last game. I mean, that's pretty, pretty, um, pretty impressive really. That's what we want to see. Pop tips are in from football bloody L. Bloody L. Get your tips here lads. Yeah, like you said, it, you know, you could do all the predictions you want on these type of things. And I've done several myself, but it never goes that way. Like until, until last night, you know, Switzerland, like they were on the top of the group till right at the end, didn't they? So, you know, I quite like the Swiss. I did from the start of the tournament, I think they let me down against Scotland to tell you for a few quid. So that's a lot. But there we go. Should have listened to football bloody how, Tom, should have just gone for that, that dodgy group where everything can be really tight. Yeah, I think the tournament is going to get better in it. It's going to be better games. We haven't seen the best of it yet. Don't gather that. I didn't, I didn't enjoy the spinist game. Whether that was the fact, even though it was only one nail, but it was like I said, after the England game was so fast in that, Spain should have won by like two or three in the end of now. And that, I didn't last Saturday, the Belgian Romania game was good. Lukaku, I'm a Syrian market luckier sir, for with his new raises. I see the funny capture where it said top goals was own goals with sex. And then Lukaku's dislike bar goals was straight. It was a couple of players on the 30th. And the biggest let down was never lens the France because I was really looking forward to that one. And it was the first time they were the tournament. So that was the, I know you didn't last that day, but just three back there. It's the worst game of the tournament. We'll delete that bit. Gav, have a drink mate, have a drink. Yeah, yeah. Pop on round Gav, you're not that far away from me. We'll have a couple. Um, Mr. Producer has a big game in the tournament. So I think, well, I did, I caught the second half of that Georgia turkey game. And I have to say it was, um, it was really good. I mean, I don't know about you tell me, but I still love it when a goalkeeper goes out right at the end because you know that something's going to happen. The likelihood is the goalkeeper ain't going to score or even touch the ball, right? But you know that it's probably more likely that the team is going to break on you and then score into the empty net. And that's exactly what happened. But I suppose you, you go down swinging. Would you, would you be telling your goalkeeper to go up in that situation, tell him or you like, no, stay back because statistically it just ain't going to happen. Well, no, no, I think if you need, if you need a goal, you need to, you need the extra men in there, get them, if he's too only to have an effect, then get him out of here. He's not going to have an effect and don't bother sending other player in and leave him on the halfway line. You know what I mean? Then he can run back. But, you know, if, like I said, if he's, if he's six foot seven and he's going to get his head on something, get him in there. If he's no taller than your outfield players, then what's the point? And who could forget Chris Will coming up to score for you all those years ago? Hey, what about that? There's, there's a good piece of foam inside the tail. Yeah. Good point to end on though, Dave. I mean, we're only, we're only four minutes, 25 seconds over. So don't sort of get too concerned. That's all right. We're in, we're in, we're in stoppage time. So it's fine. Okay, sorry. Best you have another drink, then, Dave. Well, boy, we will call it there, then. So thank you very much for this week. Gavchieton, thank you for taking the call and being on tonight. We'll speak to you very soon. You know, I've had blocked your day. Yeah, that's fine. I enjoyed it. Thanks so much, boys. Enjoy that. Enjoy the chat. Enjoy the game. No worries at all. Tommy White, good to speak to you. And we won't leave it so long next time. Promise? And you will enjoy the rest of the tournament and your summer holidays. And a very good evening from my save, Dave Pryor, Adi Hopper, over to you. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very, very much for everybody who's contributed to the show. And thank you very much for everybody that's listened to the show. Make sure you keep listening to Three Valleys Radio. We'll be back this time next week, same time, same stage football. Bloody hell. Oh. [Music] [Music]
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