The Sports Brewery Podcast

348: TSB Goes To The Movies - Oldboy

Braga, King, and Ski talk about Oldboy, a movie with one of the more messed up twists in history. It's part of Park Chan-wook's revenge trilogy, but the one who gets revenge ISN'T the guy who was locked up for 15 years. It's an all timer, but is it any good? Listen!

Duration:: 32m
Broadcast on:: 30 Jun 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

I will stay out looking for you, I will stay out looking for you, I will stay out looking for you I will stay out looking for you, I will stay out looking for you Welcome to TSB goes to the movies, I am Alex at TSB pod, he's king at geromni, he's ski at TSB ski, tweet at one of us if you want us to watch your movie, that's next week. So this week, tweet at us or join Discord, Sports Burying Discord, you can give us your suggestion there, that's actually the best place to do it. You could also text it to us, or if you know us, you could just say it to our faces, what movie should we watch? Just tell us that's going to be your movie next week, twitch.tv/abrog87, if you want to watch us do the sports podcast live, twitch.tv/abrawg87, if you miss those, you can watch them on YouTube, just search for sports Burying on that and find it, that's it. Movie this week is my movie, it is old boy, which is apparently one word, I actually learned that this week, I thought it was old boy, it's old boy, came out in 2003, this movie is old boy, it's how you would describe it, it is a boy, it can't, so this, this is the original version, the Korean language version, 2003 it came out, it is currently on Netflix, has an 83% on Rotten Tomatoes, 8.3 on IMDB and a 78 on Metacritic, here I am about to butcher some names again, Choi Min-Sik played Daisue Oh, who's the main character in this, Yuji Teh played Wu Jin Li, Kang Hui Zhong played Mido, Ji Dai Han played Zhuhuan and Kim Biong Ok played Mr Han, I didn't do too bad I think, much better, much better than last time, much better than Godzilla minus one, it is based on a manga, this movie is, the screenplay was by Jun Hyung Lim, Zhou Hyun Huan and Park Chan Wook, Park Chan Wook also directed this movie, he is also the writer and director of that new HBO show, The Sympathizer, the one with Robert Downey Jr. where he plays a bunch of different people, he is the writer and director of that show, also did Little Drummer Girl, which was a show with Florence Pugh, he is however known for this movie, and The Vengeance Trilogy, which includes Sympathy for Mr Vengeance, which is the first one, Old Boy which is the second one, and then Lady Vengeance which is the third one, I would argue, as much as I like this movie spoiler, Lady Vengeance I think is a more satisfying movie, like The Vengeance that happens in that movie, at the end of that movie you feel very good, leaving that movie, I don't know at the end of this movie that anybody feels good, because if you watch this movie you know what ends up happening to the main character, and yeah, he gets his vengeance, but uh, oh boy, even though he doesn't get his vengeance either, is the other thing, the guy shoots himself, he doesn't get his vengeance, but yeah, King, how is uh, how you thinking and thrashing is now after uh, watching this movie, actually actually ski, I think of it is called Thrashen, not thrashing, I will say Thrashen had a little more culture than this movie, I will say that, Bra, the Valley man, the Valley, all sorts of culture in the Valley, and the Empire, uh, budget for this movie by the way, 3 million, uh, ended up making 17.1, which I don't know what that means, in box, I mean, yeah, how, I, this movie had to make so much more money, also, for how it's, you know, critically acclaimed and a lot of the sales, yeah, I own the, the Blu-ray box set of the vengeance trilogy, it's, it's, it's right over there, um, I am a big fan of these movies, uh, and this one, you know, I actually, I've seen it a few times, I hadn't seen it in a while, um, yeah, and it, it was, it was sort of funny remembering some of the stuff that I had forgot, because all, like the, the twist in this movie is sort of like one of those, it's one of those all-timers, you know, 'cause like, I don't know, have you both seen the game, the one with, uh, Michael Douglas? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Michael Douglas and Sean Penn. Yes. Yeah, so, so the twist at the end of that movie, it sort of reminds me of that, um, in that year, you have no idea what's going on and what's going to happen from like one second to the next, but you're just following along as this insane shit just keeps happening to this person. And then in the end, you're like, Jesus Christ, that's how this ends? Like in, yeah, it's, I mean, at, at, at its basic core, this movie is the Count of Monte Cristo where it's, you know, guys in prison, he comes out revenge, but then they throw in all the weird Asian stuff, uh, incest, uh, double incest that, yeah, double incest and hilarious fight scenes and just weird antics. I personally love this movie too, because Asian movies in the early 2000s feel very 80s American movies. That's what, I mean, that the wheelhouse is my fucking wheelhouse. There, no, no, you know what they have, you know, what they have that those don't have is like weird Japanese what I was going to say. I like weird Japanese movies as well, like movies, movies, movies, got it, got it, the nature, you know, you know what this movie has in the movies like in the 2000s have that those don't is like quality filmmaking. So, so like this, so the storylines, I'm sort of with you. I'm, I'm, I'm meeting you halfway, Hersky. So like the storylines are bonkers, like they are insane, uh, but like the, the way he shot this movie is very, very good. And like, you know, that's not something those 80s movies necessarily had was, was some did some did, but I mean, this movie looked old, this movie looked, it shot like it looks like it was made in the 80s. Yeah. And I was going to say the fight scene where he's fighting all the guys in the hallway felt like a very 80s stylized fight scene as well, even though I, like you said, I'm, I'm with you on the cinematography of how that was shot, especially to they made it seem like it was in the hallway, even though clearly was not shot in a hallway. But it's, it's, it's 80s comical shit going on. That fight scene is hilarious. No, I, so by the way, like if you have heard of this movie before listener, it's probably because of that scene that's he's talking about, like it, it is, it is famous for the hallway quote unquote fight scene where the homeboy shows up to the place where he was kidnapped and held for 15 years and tries to get revenge on the people, or at least find out who was in charge of the whole thing. And to do that, he has to fight through why there are 30 guys in that hallway. I don't know. Um, but he has to fight through 30 guys with a hammer, only a hammer, uh, and does do that. And the way it's shot, like SKU is saying is like, it's, it's shot at a Daelin Austin with him, Mm, what, why too soon, too soon. No, no, nobody's like a with a hammer in that situation. Yeah. No, but they said it was shot like a side scroller. It was. It was like a side scroller. And, and so a lot of people have imitated double drag. Yeah. A lot of people have imitated it since then, like, um, that's what it was. That was a double drag scene kind of was because it was streets, streets of fury. I mean, there was a lot of, there was a lot of sites really fighty games like that in the 90s. Yeah. It just, yeah, but a little bit slow, like because they're Asian people is that what you're trying to do? Cause they're actual humans is where I was trying to say. Yeah. Yeah. What are you trying to say? No, the, uh, like it, I really love that, that scene too, because of how sort of quote unquote realistic they made it seem like it, like if a guy is fighting 30 dudes in a hallway, he's going to be exhausted. Like it, that's something like the movies never really take into account. Just how exhausting fighting another human being is. Like they're, they're grown men that he is fighting who fight themselves all the time. And so it's not like he's just going to like beat up one dude punch. Like what was Austin Powers judo chop judo chop. Yeah. Like he's, he's not going to. Now, now you know, you come now, like it's the one at a time fight. It was like, he got, he was, you've got gang stomped multiple times during that scene. He did. He did. He got gang stomped multiple times like bottom off, got up, hit him with a hammer again. And then it was just sort of like, Oh shit, but like everybody's tired and nobody wants to fight anymore, but they have to. Yeah. I liked it. It's, it's a classic scene. I think Daredevil tried to do that again. Like the raid, the raid, which is fucking fantastic too, by the way, didn't the hallway seem to like. It's like a daredevil of the series or daredevil of the movie. The series. Yeah. All right. I was going to say the big difference between daredevil. Yeah. No, Ben Affleck wasn't. Ben Affleck wasn't a hallway. No. No. No. Aren't they bringing back Jennifer Garner's like a lecture in the Deadpool movie or something? I think I remember hearing that. It's one of the cameos. It's going to be in the new Deadpool re and movie is Jennifer Garner's lecture, which is only only Ryan Reynolds can get away with that shit. So I'm like you, I have, I have not seen the newer one, the American version of it. Yeah. I, I, I assume it's a similar plot just without all the insane, weird shit, but like where do you draw the line with insane, weird shit, right? But that's, that's what makes this movie as movie is how kind of. It is. Fucking out there. It is. No, like the eating a live octopus is an, an insane thing to see, like in the fact that they put it in the movie, I don't think you, I don't think you could do that here. Like I think the, I think PETA, I think there's like laws against being able to do that here. Yeah. But like that scene is an all timer, like in terms of any scene in any movie, a man eating a live octopus on camera and having the, the things like crawl around his head while he's chewing on it is bonkers. Bonkers. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. All right. And now so me and you have seen this. Can I assume this was your first watch? Yes. What? For you. What was the most just fucking out there part of this movie? For you. It was in subtitles. No, it wasn't in English. What? I thought this was catered towards me. Is everything should be catered towards me? It was, it was a hard watch. I'll say this. I had to kind of scrub through it. It's very hard to scrub through a movie that you have to read. Yes. It can't just, it's hard to jump forward. I got to need to cut down a couple minutes here and there. Yeah. It's tough. It's tough. But it, like I said, is it just the weirdness of the movie itself or was actually, you know, the, like as Braga says, like the crazy turn, like the incest and stuff like that. Is that what? The incest thing did catch me out a little bit. I wasn't expecting it. Yeah. No, I was. Maybe I should have. I was going to ask that too. Did you see the fact that that was his daughter coming? Like did you like, phrasing? Phrasing. Right. Sorry. Yeah. Did, like there really weren't any clues to that other than the age, like we probably shit. Yeah. He did a good enough job setting up that they tried to locate her like right when he got out and like, oh, she's living in Switzerland or something like that. Sweden. Yeah. Yeah. So they, they kind of, they put that out there for you to get your mind. So you wouldn't think that there's a chance that's his daughter. But what, which of those is more fucked? Well, cause it was hit, you know, crazy enough that he, they were hypnotized that they didn't know who they were. Is that worse than the bad guy banging his sister and then her killing yourself? Were that, that's, that's, that's, that story like that part of it is because the bad guy banging a sister and killing him, killing herself, that, that, that could be uniquely like anywhere in America on a Wednesday. Yeah. Right. The hypnosis thing is crazy because it's fucking hypnosis. Yeah. No, I, the one thing that's always taught me was God, he really blamed that the guy so much for him fooling around with his sister. It's like, you're going to blame him for you doing that. And like, and like randomly saying it to a guy, he was helping move something like, and not even really, not even really giving details. He was just like, Hey, you know that guy, like I saw him, like, you know, making out with somebody in like a room or whatever. I think they were like doing it or something. You know, you know that girl, like I don't even know her name, like, but the guy, the other guy put two and two together and then figured it out, he didn't know anything about it and completely forgot about it for the rest of his life until he was kidnapped. Crazy, crazy. So there's like a couple of things I wanted your opinion on. There's a couple situations in this movie where the main character was put in a position where he could do one of two things and it would have been like very different. And so one of them was when he figured out who evergreen was. So like the main bad guy was like posting on AOL online or whatever it was, whatever the computer graphics on the games, an internet cafe, by the way, which is crazy. Yeah, but like did America ever did America ever have the internet cafe? Yes. Really a thing here? Yes. I 100% went to one. Yes. Did you? All right. I think it's amazing. Draft. I know there are cafes for like gaming stuff like that. I never do those one where you just go like, I don't have a computer because no one has computers really yet. So yeah, you go to the internet cabin. Sammy Sosa number four fucking Steve. Hell of a pig. Hell of a pig. Hey, hey, that's nice work with your dial up. No, but you're not. Sandler movie later. I remember that. Go to the day that Aaron see you late. Oh, God. So the, the scene where he finds out who evergreen is finds him and has the opportunity to just kill him and evergreen's like, okay, you can kill me, but you'll never know why I kidnapped you for and tortured you for 15 years. You'll never know why. So he has the opportunity where he can either kill him or continue, continue being tortured essentially, and then eventually find out that he was banging his daughter and all of these things. So many things would have just ended if he had just got his vengeance and killed him, but he needed to know why. So I guess it comes down to what would you have? What would you have done? Well, the question comes down to more is like, how many years in that scenario would it take for where you need to know why? Like, if he was in there for like 10 years, does he need to know why as much 15 is like, you know, they never really gave his age in this. You got to assume he was in race, like maybe mid 30s, probably. Oh, speaking of that, they did a really good job of making him age and look different because like in the start of the movie, where he's like the like drunk off his ass in the police station. And then when he is like in the place for a few years, he looks so different and really cool by the way, like they did such a like a really good job of that. I don't know. That was that was it. No, I think I think after 15 years, you find out why like he did if it was less you're just so angry still, you're trying to probably haven't like accepted like, oh, yeah, need to know why. Like the anger sort of gone at that point. You just need to find answers. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm I'm with him on this that yes, I would need to know, but he could have killed him and then still found out why. Yeah. I mean, he did all the legwork anyway. That guy never told him anything until, you know, yeah, see, he still could have kept digging. So, so, King, what, what would you have done in that scenario? So he, um, he has the opportunity to shoot the guy, but instead he says, if you shoot me, you'll never find out why. Would you need to find out why or would you just shoot him and then everything that happens afterwards doesn't happen. You could still probably like find out why, but I would, I would shoot him. Yeah. And just live the consequences. Maybe I don't find out why I turn to a life of heroin. Okay. But yeah. He's dead. He spent 15 years as a prisoner for no reason, essentially, like it couldn't get much worse than that. Like if you do kill him, you know, like it would have been the bad ending either way, though, because eventually he would have tried to track down where his daughter was. And I'm guessing somehow he would have come along that she was his daughter. So it would have been bad either way in the end to him. Man. She was so mad at this dude, like like 15 years locked up in a room, like hiring a hypnotist to get him to fall in love with his daughter and vice versa. He hated him so much in my eyes, he is the one that got, he's the one that got the true revenge in his eyes. The man, the bad guy did, he got had him blocked up for 15 years and toyed with him. Totally. Other guy got no revenge. He got no revenge. He absolutely won in this, in this, yeah, because, because he went out the way he wanted to. Yeah. He shot himself. He shot himself. Like he was already, he already had the heart thing that he was eventually going to die from. Like he got, he got his quote unquote revenge on, on the main character, Daisue. And then, and then just when he was finished, he was finished. That was it? Yeah. Meanwhile, Daisue is going to go on the rest of his days being hypnotized, not knowing that his, you know, the person he's with the rest of his life probably is actually his daughter. So yikes. Yikes. Yeah. This is a, this is a weird one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The licking of the shoes scene, very weird, just as we're just talking weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like his baggy. No, like licking the shoes, barking like a dog. Like a dog. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, I don't know. We can do that out on Wednesday. ASMR. Some people's thing. Yeah. Barking like a dog. Some people's thing. Not my thing. Like his shoes. No. No. Yeah. I don't know if we could really comprehend it because that's the very Asian culture, you know, like bowing down to someone like there's no American culture where you get on your hands and knees for someone for like apologies or trying to. So we don't submit a message that was Cooper. If you see us Cooper, you were not worthy, you're not worthy. I mean, in America, you're paying a dominatrix $1,000 an hour to liquor juice. Especially if he can talk to you about milieu wakke, which is Algonquin, which is Algonquin for the good land. The good land. Yeah. Yeah. Milieu wakke. This guy know how to party or what. Oh, all right. This was I did like, you know, sort of how they showed the passage of time while he was locked up to because it really like they didn't like he was there for 15 years, but it really felt like it didn't feel like it, right? Like the way they shot it. Is this the only movie they've ever shown the fucking twin towers getting hit? I know. That's what I that's what I was going to say to like this might be the only movie that's actually broached 9/11 like that. By the way, 2003. So assuming this movie was made in 2002, which is like right after like this is not probably not even a year after that happened, but I mean, if you have 30 seconds to show the span of 15 years of someone locked up and they showed princess die, nine eleven, I mean, I think they kind of hit almost all the big things that happened. No, and like Korea gaining independence to independence. Yeah, like that's a it's a huge deal. Yeah, like like they showed Kim Jong ill like beating with the like remember one South and North Korea split showed all of that stuff to and yeah, it was it was really neat. I thought that was really neat. That's not the north and South split like a long time ago, like it's like it showed them finally talking or whatever that was. Yeah, they didn't have the meeting of some kind, I think it was Taiwan that they showed that was getting into independence. That was it. It was Taiwan. I think it was the Hong Kong. Hong Kong. You have British rule. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because Prince Charles was there. Yep. King Charles, I guess. Yeah. But that respect on him, right? So yeah, I did like that too because they sort of they gave you a little, little, little hints about like how he was being treated and the things they would do. And so, you know, they showed the scene where, you know, he they put him, they played the music and he would pass out and like they'd drug him and stuff like that. And so that's sort of a little nod that it's like, okay, there's some mind stuff going on here too and sort. So you sort of when you see the hypnotist part, you're sort of like, oh, yeah, okay. But also it shows them taking the cup and drawing blood and then setting him up for the murder of his wife. And which of course, again, this dude not only locked him up, but he'll his wife. And then hypnotized his daughter and watched out for her. He literally made sure she was safe for the entire time he was in there just so he could get his revenge by them, falling in love and having sex with each other. Oh, he was playing the long game for sure. Dude, do you got to that, I mean, that level of thoroughness and everything is impressive to. Okay. Okay. So, so this is the revenge trilogy, right? They sue is not the one getting revenge. Oh, no, like this movie is about the other guy, right? Mm-hmm. It kind of is. This is revenge. Pretty much in my eyes, yeah. Yeah. I just came to that. I just came to that real image. You just got that? Yep. Watch this movie like four or five times. Yeah. How you feeling after watching this one, King? Yeah, this is a, it's a tough one to bounce back from. It's a, this one, this one sits with you up for a little bit. It does. Yeah, it was weird. I didn't, didn't really like it. In a way, I would say it reminds me of the Joker movie with Joaquin Phoenix, where I'm like, Hey, good movie. Hey, don't feel great. I probably don't need to watch it anymore. That's just kind of the Hoover it came in like, ah, yeah, I saw it, I'm good. You are. Yeah. No, I'm with you. I saw the Grand Canyon. I don't find it. See it. Don't need to go back. I know the references. I don't need to ever see it again or think about it with you. Yeah. Like that, that last scene where he's hugging his daughter and she says, I love you, Daesu. And then he does that like crazy smile. That's like, yeah, you're not meant to like watch that and feel good, but now things are going. And especially when his, his go to move is to pull people's teeth out with a hammer also. Yes. Yeah, there's, there's not a lot to feel good about it from this movie. Yeah. How much money would you need to go along with the plot of this guy's revenge and have your teeth pulled out, have a hand chopped off, like that guy, that guy, that guy lost. That guy is loyal, Jesus. And by the way, his job is to like sit it in office all day long and just make sure that people who are locked up, don't break out. That's what that's like, as far as sicko shit goes, is pulling teeth out like as a torture method, like up there is, it's definitely top five. Is that top three? Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's because it's that or like pulling fingernails or like cutting off digits is really the, well, see, I think pull, I think cutting off digits season. I do too. Look away. Bang. It's gone. I think like misery to break someone's ankle with a sledgehammer, easy, slammed up, pulling healthy teeth out of your mouth is to be that's one. Yeah. No, that'd be awful. Yeah. Without hammer. It's not even. Yeah. We did it yesterday. Yeah. No, like in the slow pulling off of nails is always one that's bothered me to. Yes. That's horrendous. I don't want to hurt as bad, but you've seen audition, right? Yeah. Yeah. Audition, King. Don't watch it. I think he's not going to watch it. Yeah. So that, that me, K guy who did the 13 assassins movie and we watched that weird Japanese one, like I was talking about. So he did a movie called audition where this like, this one to read during it. Yes. Say what? Yeah. It's a read. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely do. She uses these wires to like cut parts off and do these things and it's like it's fucked. It's fucked that that movie will change you. That movie, anything that she does in that movie is worse than what we've been talking about. But, but yeah, I think teeth and nails are pretty bad. Yeah. We're like eyeball stuff. Like eyeball. Yeah. Yeah. That bothers me. Yeah. I'm with you though. Like cutting off a digit feels like pulling a band aid, right? Yeah. Chop it off. Right off. It's just gone. I think I could do that. Like, yeah. In a certain space, you know, more. I don't think I could ever do the teeth pulling it finger and toenails. Not a chance. I just, I'm not there. Yeah. It's like there's more that goes into it than just losing the tooth. It's like a, it's a, it's a texture thing. It's like a feel fit. It's a. Firing it. Yeah. There's more. More sense is going into it than just pain. You got some sick ass gold teeth in the end though. You did. You did. That's his payment. Right. Yeah. Your teeth were placements. No. That would be awesome. Oh, everything guys. So look authentic. Especially just the single gold tooth, like right off your big, your front teeth there. Yeah. Little canine gold too. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's the best. The best. All right. Let's grade this. What's got of this? Very much time left here. Not much. Got a couple of minutes. Not about that. Well, what you got? What? If you guys were locked up in that scenario for 15 years, what would be the worst thing? Because I mean, he has a TV. Would it be eating dumplings for every meal for 15 years? Yeah. That was another thing I was going to ask is, is I would have figured out a better way to off myself in that time, like 15 years like he only tried a couple of times and he was not very good at it. I would have figured out something better like that. That guy could not have ever been to me from killing myself. Yeah. No. Not worth it. Yeah. So what are we going out of? I think five this week. Yeah. By the way, like super light episode, this one, right? Yeah. And it said, really, I find a better way. I find a better way to kill myself. Got figured out, dude. It's a breezy episode. We're going out of five. It's my movie. I'll go first. I'm going to give this. I'm going to give it a five. Whoa. Is that our first? I think departed. I gave a five as well. Ah, the departed. You'll fuck off. You'll fucking call. This guy needed a fucking cop. Yeah. Goddamn. Listen, this and Willie's Wonderland, I think. Yeah. That too. Yeah. Willie's Wonderland. Definitely a five. Yeah. For sure. I'm not going to go as high as you, Braga, but like I said, this is 80 stylized, weird Asian movie. I'm 4.25. I'm a four. I like it. Whoa. That's high. No, no, no, no. I probably am scrubbing, like I said, scrubbing your head was hard. Yeah. But I will give it a four. Maybe I would have liked it less. Maybe I would have liked it more if I didn't do it, but I'll give it a four. I get it. It was dark. It was heavy. It was. It is. It is a, it is a difficult watch, but a good movie, right? Yeah. Which you don't come across very often. Yeah. If you, yeah, if you, if you like the game, if you like all the M night Shyamalan movies,