The Sports Brewery Podcast

346: TSB Goes To The Movies - The Iron Claw

Braga, King, and Ski talk about The Iron Claw, a movie about the definitely cursed Von Erich family that ruled the 80s Texas wrestling landscape. Zac Efron juices, Jeremy Allen White loses a foot, and a guy plays the worst Ric Flair ever. Is it any good? Listen!

Duration:: 38m
Broadcast on:: 23 Jun 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

(upbeat music) ♪ Yeah, ah, ah, ah ♪ ♪ So she had to wear up all the jobs ♪ ♪ So she had to wear up all the jobs ♪ ♪ Said the shit is everything I got ♪ ♪ Can't no wear up all the jobs ♪ - Welcome to TSP, goes to the movies. I am Alex at TSPPod. He's ski at TSP Ski. He's king at Joramni. Tweet us your movie suggestion that is coming up in two weeks or join our Discord. Sports Brewery in Discord. You can give us your suggestions there. As a matter of fact, that's probably the best place to do that. So if you need an invitation from us to that, ask us. We'll send it to you. You can ask us on Twitter, you can text us, you can do whatever the heck you want. I don't care. Ski, give out your phone number so that people can text you. Yeah, okay. Twitch.tv/abrog87, A-B-R-A-W-G-8-7. If you wanna watch the sports podcast live every Thursday, this week it's gonna be Wednesday. So if you wanna do that, click the follow button. It'll give you notifications. You can click the link and watch it when we go live, all of that good stuff. Our movie this week is King's Movie. It is the Iron Claw. Came out last year, 2023. It is currently on max. Another A-24 distribution vehicle. Thank you for that, King. By the way, King. - Little indie movie. - Yeah, King, famously anti-A-24. Famously anti-movies over two hours. That seems to be all he picks nowadays. So, I'm just saying, this movie has an 89% on Rotten Tomatoes, 7.6 on IMDb, 73 on Metacritic. - Let's try to give you guys some culture. - Some cinema. - Cinema. - Sorry. - Yeah. - Known American culture, like high culture, wrestling. - Like '70s and '80s wrestling. - Yeah, definitely. This movie is about the Von Eric family. It stars Zach Efron as Kevin Von Eric. Jeremy Allen White as Carrie Von Eric. Harris Dickinson as David Von Eric. Mora Tierney as Doris Von Eric. Holt McCalony as Fritz Von Eric and Stanley Simons as Mike Von Eric. Lily James played Pam, who later became a Von Eric when she married Kevin Von Eric. A lot of Von Eric's, do you get it? It's about the Von Eric wrestling family. - There's not that many Von Eric's anymore, but. - Yeah, yeah, I didn't know about Von Eric. - You didn't know about the Von Eric's at all? - I did not. And so, I sorta was like, halfway through this movie, nothing had really happened yet. And I was like, so why is there a movie about this family? I sorta Googled it and then I was like, oh, I'm about to see. And then sure enough, like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like one right after the other. This movie written and directed by Sean Durkin, who also wrote and directed The Nest. Hasn't really done much else, yeah. So, very much a huge wrestling fan, fan of the Von Eric family, I guess. Like watch them when he was younger, which, yeah, okay. - And he must be pretty old in a fantasy case. - Really wanted to write a movie about them and did. And so, yeah, budget for this movie, 15.9 million box office, 45.2, so, yeah. The iron claw, by the way, the signature move that the dad created. - How much of that budget was for steroids? - Jesus Christ. - Because Zac Efron, he was the epitome of 70s in 80s-looking wrestlers where he was fucking jacked and he had like an eight pack, but he was also fat. It was a very perfect 80s wrestler look. - What did King say about Roma Dunes? Like he's like a lead athlete, but he's got a fat face, right? Yeah, that's sort of, like, by the way, like the first scene you see Efron is him like laying down in bed, right? And you can see like the steroid acne and stuff that he had. Like you literally like, he, like, I know like actors generally do HGH from what we've heard, but that dude was juicing. Like you can't naturally look like that as a human being. - He says he says he wasn't. - I'm sure, I'm sure he says that, yeah, uh-huh. - And then I saw that, and that was the first thing I thought when I saw Efron was like, Jesus. And then, you know, Jeremy Allen White didn't come into the movie till maybe about 20 or 25 minutes. And then I remember it's like, oh, the bear season three starts in like a week and a half. I was like, it does. Are we just supposed to expect him just to be fucking jacked too, like for the bear now? 'Cause he will be nowhere near Efron level, but he was still pretty fucking jacked too. - I think he always has been. - A little bit, but he's like, yeah. - Bolt, he bulked for this role. - And you didn't really see it 'cause he started out like in this movie, like throwing the discus, right? So he's wearing like his track clothes and he looks smaller, but then he takes off a shirt and you're like, Jesus Christ, man, like, settle down. Now, but by the way, like speaking of their size, like the Von Eric family, like, two up person. - Six, three, six, four. - Nobody's under six, three, nobody's under 240. And Jeremy Allen White's like five, six. - Seven. - Yeah, Efron's like five, nine. - Yeah, like, I mean, the problem is, is the other brothers they hired were like actually six, three and actually six, four. And Jeremy Allen White and Zach Efron standing next to them look like tiny people. So, and by the way, the dad too, like Hulk, McCallony, I cannot say that dude's less. - Not Michael Haney? - No, it's McCallony, yeah. So, yeah, also huge person. So, I don't know. I don't know. So, I did do, you know. - But while we're talking about their looks, did you guys do any deep dives into Zach Efron's chin? - We talked about that, I thought, when we did the last beer run. - Yes, yes, we did. - 'Cause he got in the car accident or something, right? - Yes, you know, we slipped in his house. Like fell through a table. - There are, if you, I did another deep, like a little-- - Oh, you went deeper. - Who do we have conflicting reports? - He's a liar. Because his chin, his, he had a car accident and he had a running accident, right? And in the press for this movie, he referenced the running accident where he fell, slipped on marble, cut his chin and the tendons grew. The date of that accident that he's referencing is 2013. I don't believe him. This movie, 10 years later, like, what are we doing? - 2013. - That is the article that says he was running and slipping. - So did he have multiple then? Did he have multiple-- - I can't maybe. - Maybe he's just a clumsy runner. But when I read it, I was like, that doesn't seem right. That can't be right. - Yeah, 'cause I thought it was like a car accident or something too, right? - No, no. There was a car accident too. But mainly he references like splitting his chin wide open and-- - The greatest, I thought we would watch the greatest beer on ever. That was like one of his first movies post like his chin being different. That was 2022. - Yeah. - So if... - Hmm. - Hmm. - Hmm. - Not adding up here then, if that's a case. - No, the math doesn't check your hypothesis. - Math's not mapping here, boys. - Is that Gaffron? Hmm. Yeah, I got that elementary school Disney kid math going on here. I'll tell you what, I'm not buying it. Forget it. - Not on this podcast. - No, sir. No, sir. We check our sources. So another thing in the process of looking up information about this family, because they are cursed, I think. - They're not cursed. - No, they're just-- - So let me go, I'm gonna go through this real quick. - Okay. - So I'm gonna say why they're not cursed. So first, son dies when he's like six, the oldest son. - Yeah, Jack, right? - Yeah, they're in Niagara Falls. There's trips like a electrical cord out of an RV, gets electrocuted, falls into the snow and drowns. That's how he dies. That's bad luck that happening. Then you had David was the first die in '84 who conflicting results, you know, Rick Flair says that he died of drugs and so did some other wrestlers, not whatever stomach corporation that they say to him. - Yeah, testing, testing, testing. - Yeah, I read that too. Flair said his David's really good friend, like his best friend got in there and took all the drug paraphernalia and all that shit out of the room. So nobody would see it. - Yeah, so it could be a combination of all of it. Like he could have had the-- - We saw him using steroids. - Well, also being a druggy, like he could be both of those things. They're not mutually exclusive necessarily, but-- - And then they showed in the movie, Mike was the next die in '87. He had that fucked up his shoulder, witness surgery, got toxic shock, got brain damage. And then after the brain damage was doing drugs and became depressed and overdosed. All right, if you wanna call that a curse, I don't know, he sounds like drug abuse and some mental problems there, then they didn't even have this brother in the movie. - Chris. - They left out, they left out a guy that shot himself in the head who he died in '91. He was born sickly and tried to become a wrestler and kept breaking his bones and he physically couldn't wrestle. So then of course, does a lot of drugs, gets depressed, kills himself. And then they showed Carrie who was doing a lot of drugs, got in the motorcycle accident, tried to come back, well, in the movie they just had it amputated, but he tried to come back to wrestling, fucked his foot up more, had to get it amputated. - No, he tried to come back too early and fucked his foot up more and had to have it amputated because of that, yeah. - And then proceeded to, he was using drugs and steroids a lot too. So if you wanna call it a curse, I call it maybe a hyper-addicted family with some mental problems running through it, if you want to call that a curse. - That was a percent. - That's gonna call a curse. - That's what I'm saying. - A curse, what's a curse to you, a ground ball between the legs? - I know. - What are we doing here, man? - I mean, it's the first brother drowns in snow. If a lightning struck and hit a tree and crushed one of them, not ODs and drug abuse and if that's a curse, then millions of people in our country are fucking cursed. - Dude, show their surgery going into septic shock and then a coma is a curse. Like, come on, dude. Like, getting in a motorcycle accident, losing your foot is a curse. - He was drunk driving a motorcycle. - He was a curse. - That happens every day. - All the time. - I'm just saying, terrible things happen to this family, but it wasn't some tricky lesson to our birthday podcast. It wasn't some gypsy curse put on this family. It wasn't. - Hey, go get lost in the Bermuda Triangle and then talk to you about a curse. - Right. Their plane didn't crash and they were stranded on an island and died, actually. They were in Texas drinking and doing drugs. - Yeah, ask Amelia Earhart if they're a curse, right? - That's clearly not because Kevin, the brother, you know, Efron is still alive and they didn't show him doing drugs and things like that. I mean, the dad's a piece of shit and the dad is the curse. - And the dad is the curse, how about that? I'll agree with that. - I was gonna say that the dad is absolutely the curse. That guy is a scumbag and like a really shitty dad, like pretty shitty husband. Like remember when, I mean, just the scene where, you know, Carrie shoots himself and then Efron goes up to him and it's like, I told you to take care of him. He's like, he called you. You didn't take care of him. Who the fuck says that? Like you are the worst human being ever put all of his, he's totally like one of those like stereotypical sports dads who puts all of his hopes and dreams on his kids. And like, and if they fail, they are failures at life. Like they did nothing right and they're, you know, like, Kevin meets a wonderful woman, starts having like a family and literally goes to his, he goes to his parents all the time and is like, hey, I need you to help. Like Carrie's in a, or what was it, it was Mike. Like Mike's in a really bad way. I need you to like, and every time they did that, they'd be like, you, you brothers handle it between yourselves. It's like, you're the fucking parent. Like what are you doing? - Apparently he was also just embezzling money from him. - He was. - When he went through the books, he's like, this says I made a lot of money. And we live in a city apartment and we, you know, I want to sell this fucking wrestling company. - Like what you think living here was, was for free. - Free. - Being on this ranch, like, wow, you suck, you suck. By the way, like Durkin, the writer, director, said he purposefully left Chris out of this movie because it would have been like one too many things. Like, like one too many tragedies happening. Because like, and to that point, it was literally like, like I said, you get like halfway through and nothing's really happened yet. But then it's like, like literally the rest of the movie is tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, tragedy. And if you add like Chris into that, it was by the way, another suicide. So I mean, essentially that would be-- - On the ranch too. - Three suicides, two of them on the ranch, like Jesus, man. Like, ski, the family's cursed. (laughing) Ski. - Family's definitely not-- - We're a soccer team that crashed into the elves. - Not a curse. (laughing) - Did they have to eat one of their brothers survive? - No. - Yeah. - They weren't-- - We're either part of the daughter party. I don't think so. We don't think it's not cursed. - They're not on the fucking black parole. They don't turn into skeletons during the-- - The black, the moon. - They don't turn the skeletons during when the moonlight shines on them, shit like that. No. They're just drug addicts, Texas kids, that in shocking in an industry that produces a lot of people killing themselves or dying young from abuse of things. So, yeah. - Sort of like a poster child thing for the-- - Also, I do find it. - I do find it funny that Ski is taking Rick, 1980s Rick Flair for gospel. (laughing) Well, Rick Flair is saying-- - It was Mick Foley, who I read, who trustworthy in my eyes Mick Foley. - Okay, well, mankind, you know. - Yes. - And I read a lot of Brett Hart quotes about Carrie, 'cause I guess Brett Hart knew Carrie really well, or something, and I guess he had told Brett Hart a couple of times that he wanted to end it. So basically the scene where he was telling his brother on the phone and stuff that he wants to end it, and he doesn't want to live anymore, all these things, he did that with Brett Hart, essentially. And yeah, so. - He brought up Rick Flair. How bad was that guy being-- - Well, he's layering this movie. - I thought he-- - Awful. - At least get someone that has a little bit of his mannerisms and stuff. He doesn't have to look like him just, I want to believe his player, at least, come on. - Not even close. - Not even close. - It took me out of the movie. It was so weird, 'cause we all know Rick Flair, like we've all seen Rick Flair talk, it wasn't even close. Like, where do you find this person? Like, did you not have, like, did you find him on the day? You're like, oh shit, we forgot. We have a Rick Flair scene. We need somebody to like do a promo for Rick Flair. - All right. - The sound guy's blonde. Let's use him. - Put a wig on him. - Put a wig on him. - Jesus. - So, it was bad. And I actually enjoyed maybe the first 30 minutes, like when they first started wrestling as brothers, and it was cool. I liked the old-school wrestling stuff and-- - Yeah. I read about how they shot that. It was like, it was really cool. They did, like, instead of doing a bunch of takes and stuff like that, they did one long match for each thing, and like, had the crowd into it, and like, they just filmed one long match in one long take and just cut that, cut that down into what the scenes were, which is pretty cool. It's cool way to do it. - I thought it was cool, yeah. - Like, the wrestling looked really good. - As far as wrestling goes. Yeah, they did a good job. - But, yeah, everything else about this movie, well, the guy had a tough, the director writer, guy had a tough thing, like, what do you go? Do you go purely with Carrie? Like, he's the main guy, but you strictly stick to him. Otherwise, there's too much shit going on for, this movie could be four hours long, and they won't get through, like, the nuances and backstories of all to get people there. - Yeah, you know more about the than I do. Carrie was like the actual bigger deal, right? - Yeah, he was acting in, like, the WWF. Like, he was a belt holder. There's a good, I think it's on Hulu. It's not like, behind the ropes. It's like a mini series on the Von Eric's. Way more in-depth and more wrestling side to it. Like, the motorcycle accident, like, he got hurt, and he came back and wrestled for like a year or two. - Kinda crazy, right? - Yeah, it is. - That you can wrestle and hide the fact that you don't have a foot. Like, that's wild, and it's, you know, we all know wrestling's like one of the more athletic things to, one of the more athletic endeavors a person can do, and the fact that he did it for that long is wild. Like, yeah, and then, you know, we're not talking about like really good prosthetics in the '80s or anything like that either. He'd probably had like literally a wood block that he would use duct tape on, you know, like... - He also probably shot enough crank through that nub that he didn't, he was good to get out of the ring though. - But not cursed, right, Ski? - Not cursed, no. - If you're shooting, if you're shooting crank into your stub, you're not cursed. I'm sorry to say. - Let one of those brothers be on the challenger, and then, and then we'll see a curse. (laughing) - Exactly. - Yeah, did their shuttle explode, bro? Where did they work in the Twin Towers on 9/11? - Don't, don't fall. - Nope, they were on a ranch in Texas fucking shooting heroin. I don't know. That's what they were doing. - Diggin' holes, definitely were diggin' holes. Saw them do that a few times. - Yeah. - Their dad really liked them diggin' holes on that ranch. - Andy liked guns. I mean, it was all there for fucking Texas, like the independent Texas circuits. But nothing that this movie didn't quite, 'cause from that little miniseries I watched. Like how big a deal they were, like especially in Texas. Like they were Rick Flair's of Texas. That Texas wrestling in the '70s was massive. - Yeah, kind of weird. I didn't really know much about it either. Like how it was regionalized like that. - Yeah. - Like how you would have a Texas champion, and then, yeah, I didn't really know anything about that. - You wanna go, it's on Netflix. - Interesting little series called the Ohio Valley Wrestling. It's like Al Snow runs this like Ohio Valley wrestling league. It's in it, it's like a big Kentucky sports radio guy is like part of the money to it. The interesting dynamics of like Al Snow wanting, like only worrying about the wrestling. And then this nerdy sports guy only caring about the money. Go watch, it's like eight episodes. Pretty entertaining on the lower circuits of wrestling. What's it called? - Oh, the Ohio Valley wrestling. - Okay. - Something like that, yeah. - Yeah, sounds interesting. I don't know, I always, like it's funny 'cause this movie sort of, you know, all the stereotypes I thought of wrestling from that era, this movie sort of like was exactly what I thought. (laughs) Like a bunch of dudes with no actual like promotion skills or like no like real good costumes or anything like that. Like they literally were actual wrestlers and they just sort of like did it in, you know, high school gyms and that kind of stuff. And yeah, yeah. - I think they have, I think theirs was big 'cause they had their own like arena. - They did. - Everyone would come to like on Friday and Saturday, you gotta go down to the speed dome or whatever it was called to check out the wrestling. You wanna know why the wrestling was so good in this movie? Did you hear who the consultant was? - Not. - Chavo Guerrero. - Chavo Guerrero. - Yeah. So he played the chic in this movie and also was their wrestling consultant who of course he also spoke to them about the tragedy of people dying wrestling 'cause his uncle is Eddie Guerrero. - Yep. - Oh, by the way, Eddie Guerrero legend from our era of wrestling. - You know what funny little thing they left out of this movie? So the dad when he was a wrestler. - I bet it's not funny. - It's funny. - It's real funny. Changed, you know, their last names like Adkins or something like that, I think it was. - Yeah, Adkins in there. - Yeah. - Yeah. Changed his name, Von Eric, because he played a Nazi. That was his wrestling persona. Was a Nazi. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. I read some bullshit about how it was like his, his like mom's maiden name or something. Bullshit. No, the character was a Nazi. Like, it's fucking crazy. By the way, look at him. Yeah. Yeah. That tracks. (laughs) - Six for one guy. - Look at the way he acts with people too. Like, it kind of tracks. - Yeah. - I didn't see many minorities wrestling in the Texas, the Southern Texas wrestling league. - I think the chic was it, right? - Yeah, I think the chic was actually a white guy maybe back then too, in a good chance. - Well, no, as we know, it was Shavo. - Well, John. No, Chavo, but yeah. - Yeah. (laughs) - Jesus. - Get a Mexican guy to play. - No, I mean, it was cool, it was different era. It was being racist, it was cool back then. You know? It was cool. - Oh, wait. I mean, if your character wasn't just a tad bit racist of some kind, you weren't doing your job, right? - That was sort of the point, right? - That really didn't, that really just ended a couple of years ago. (laughs) - It might, I don't watch enough wrestling. It might-- - Vince McMahon, not that long ago would come out in a do-rag and say, "My." - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm. (laughs) - You know, I watched a video with my kid the other day. It was like one of those random Instagram videos and it was like rap for Jesus thing, where it was like this, I don't know if you guys have seen that, but it's like a really old guy. - Is that the mix, is that like the Mexican guy dancing like B-Boy? - Nope, it's not that bad. - Old white pastor dude, and he drops the end bomb real hard. - Jesus. (laughs) - Yeah. - Yeah, Jesus has his, yeah. (laughs) - Well, the wife, the wife behind him. So great. - Oh, it's amazing. - Jesus. - Yeah. (laughs) - Nope. - Nope. - No! - She's doing some background vocals of it too. - Nope. (laughs) - Man. - Yeah, no, seek it out. (laughs) Hey, hey, ski. So on the note of the family not being cursed, there's another thing that they left out of this movie that involved David. So as we know, David is the one who died in Japan. Of the intestinal issue/drug issue. He had a child. Did you hear about this? What happened to his child? - He had a child. - He had a child? - I didn't read that. - Yeah, that's... - He had a child die of sids. No, the family's not cursed. No. No. Family's not cursed at all. Nope. (laughs) You know what? You know why they're not, you know why Kevin is okay? And Kevin turned out all right? It's 'cause he fucking left the dad, right? He sold the company. Like the dad didn't want him to. He sold the company, took his family the fuck away. - Well, again, I agree with you. - The dad was the curse. I will agree with you. - The dad is the curse. - Yes. - That was in person. Yeah, like that final scene in the whole movie where they show Kevin and his family. He's got like 19 grandkids and he lives on a farm in Hawaii. Like he's doing okay. He's doing okay now. - Yeah. And again, back to my point of like, there was so much stuff that he had to cut. Like all the brothers were married with kids. It's like, I don't even think Kevin was the first to get married. I think David was the first to get married. And he's like-- - No, he got like married and divorced. - By the time Kevin got married. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Carrie had been married a couple times too. And like that was part of why he was so depressed too is 'cause he was in a relationship with somebody that would like had just ended. Like that's what, like I remember like reading the part that Brett Hart was talking about where he was like really bad on drugs and had just like his relationship just ended really badly. And it was just a compound of everything. And yeah, definitely not in this movie. - Not a lot, yeah. - Which again, but to the point, like if you did include everything in this movie, like who watches this so much, it's too much. - It's four hours, I guess it's four plus hours long if you try to have everything in this that needs to be in it. - And it's just, where is you down? - Like if you, if it's in this case, yeah. - It does, but in my eyes also, it just wasn't very good. I guess the movie itself? - Yeah, like that big chunk of the middle, the end kind of brings it back. Some is like, all right, glass like 15 minutes. You see, Carrie rowing the boat to his brothers like on the other end of the shore and stuff. It's like that end and then with Kevin and his family and all that, it's like, all right, that works. But that whole middle section really wasn't very good. - No, I kind of agree, like the, it felt clumsy. - Fast and tried to... - No, no, yeah, totally. Like they, 'cause you know, like I said, you're watching this movie for at least a half an hour and nothing's really happened. Like they keep, they keep introducing people and all this stuff and then, and then all of a sudden it's like death, death, death, death. And it felt like they were like ticking boxes. You know, like there wasn't any actual like setup for it really. Like, like, 'cause it didn't sort of feel like that. Like everything was going along fine. Like they're one of them's the champion. Like there's a little like jealousy stuff going on. But then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, David dies. And there's no setup to it. Like they don't, they don't show them in Japan at all. - Not at all. - He dies off screen in Japan. And it's literally out of nowhere. Dad's just like, "Carrie's dead, he died in Japan." I was like, wait, what? Like, like if I didn't know that, 'cause I had been looking it up like while I'm watching the movie, I'd be like, wait, what the fuck just happened? That guy we just spent like 35 minutes learning about just died? - Like, what the fuck? - Who they spent the last like 10 minutes propping up as, you know, the thing also in the mini series, like he, he was the star of the family, David was. Like he was the most charismatic, best wrestler. They didn't really play him off as that. - Now I'm thinking this story is a false flag, 'cause David is the star. - Yeah, he was actually the star of the family. - David star, interesting. Third eye open? - Just saying. - Are you saying maybe like Hamas? - I'm just saying, I don't think he wants a free Palestine. - I can guarantee you that he does not want a free Palestine. - Safe bet, safe bet. - Aaron to you, David Boneric did not want a free Palestine. - He does not want a nuance in that family. - Might want to free the third right, I don't know, but. - That family, yeah, I would like to know the real story about that whole family and how they want it. - If you want to know the curse, it's probably an old Nazi curse that was put on and would be my guess. - There you go, there you go. - Where was this family at in the 40s? What time did the dad get over to America as the question? - Yeah, yeah. And what artifacts was he helping Hitler steal? That's what I want to know. I mean, we can weave this right into Indiana Jones, baby. - Yeah, it was definitely involved in the arc somehow. - He had his-- - The crystal skull. - Yeah, his, no, his eyes got taken out by the arc of the Covenant. Like, we all saw the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. He was definitely on that cliff. - When you mentioned the white guys dropping an end bomb in the Jesus Christ, I could have never guessed that was them. That they're like 70, I was thinking like a young hip, like a young hip, white pastor trying to throw. - They're just trying to be wholesome in their youth outreach. - Yeah, they're trying to get more people in the building, man. - Let's see what state this is happening in. - Look at that, I'm guessing they root for an SEC team. That's all I'm gonna say. - Yeah, this definitely has SEC written all over it. - That's easy. - And not even a good one. That's got, they got to be like Kentucky fans. - Yeah. (laughing) - Oh, I don't know, I don't know what you're talking about. That is like-- - Here's another world wide, that's okay. - When did the Pony Express hit SMU? When was that, what year was that? What year was that? - '84, I think. - '84, maybe a little after 'cause they, all these guys, went to SMU, they bring that little Nazi curse with them and fucking run Pony Express into the ground, the NCAA. Maybe, maybe. (laughing) So SMU is a Nazi curse. - Well, they were there. They brought that bad juju there. - I'm not like saying one way or the other. I'm just out here asking the question. - I'm here defending the Methodists, I see. - I'm a journalist, that's all I'm doing. Yeah. - Defending Craig James and the Methodists. Okay, all right, the other Nazis, okay. - Yep, we know. - Yep, nope. - We know. - See those plants behind you? Maybe you're a Nazi plant, you know what I mean? (laughing) Wait, are we talking about me? - Yeah. - What are we talking about? (laughing) - No, no. - No, what is it? - I'm trying to expose you, Nazis. - You've been exposed, sir. - Oh, shit. Is there a reason you don't like Inglorious Bastards? Now it's making sense. - Hmm. - That Schindler's list. - Oh. (laughing) - Shoot us out here doing the math, folks, you know? (laughing) Oh boy. Well, at least Kevin learned that crying is okay, right? You know? - Yeah, another part of the dad shut that shit down quick when he did that. - Yeah, yeah. Crying's weak and you're a failure. That's healthy. - Either of your dads tell you crying's weak or not to cry or... - No. - No. - No. - No, yeah, no, I didn't. - No. - No, no, no. Good dads. - Like, maybe in like second grade, I was crying after a tee ball game, and he's like, "Fuckin' hell, figure it out." Like, if you cry, I'll give you something to cry about. - But like that, no, yes, no. - No, you know, like, that's a... - I don't know, I'm sure there was a grimace box back then, back in the day, you know? - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, you know, like, that's a... - That's a child abuse. - Yeah, no, but not then. - It sure wasn't. - Sure wasn't. - Tough love, tough love back then. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the mom kinda sucked too, by the way. Like, to her credit, like, she kinda sucked too. - When you can just completely check out on your family and just leave it up to God to do all the parenting and, you know, things like that. Yeah, you're not a very good parent. - No, she was sort of along the lines of the dad too, where she would like, like, a few brothers figure it out between yourselves. Like, 'cause he'd like... - Jesus will watch you guys. - Kevin literally, Kevin literally, like, went to her and asked for help, like, with Mike. - Mike, you have to start. - Let him down, she's like, no, like, you handle it. - We're going to church, I think, what is her, we're leaving for church. - Wow, wow. And then she has to... - At least though, the mom is a curse too. - Yeah, yeah. Parents are curses. All right, cool. All right, anything else before we grade this? I am sort of happy for Kevin. Like, just real life, Kevin. - Yeah. - 'Cause he did get it. - He's doing all right. - He did go through a lot. Like, and he came out of it, like, with a really nice situation, it seems like, so. - Yeah, forget. - The one, the one tough line in this movie at the end was when he started crying, and he's like, I just realized I'm not a brother anymore to his kids. I was like. - It's pretty good. - Yeah, he is, that was some shit. - That's pretty good. And he had a lot of brothers, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, so, yeah. All right, King, it's your movie. - What's it out of this week? - Ooh, how many brothers died? Was it five? - I think it was five. - How many fingers, how many fingers in an iron claw? - There you go, there you go. I like that one better, actually. (laughing) - I'm gonna give it a three. - Yeah. - That's... - Why? - Why? - Why is it giving it? - Yes. - I don't know, I thought the family was cursed. I'm sorry for having that opinion. - Yeah. - I don't know. - I'm scared. - I'm looking for that hashtag analysis. Does that just break my desk? - I don't know. That was just fine. Dad was a dick, you know. I looked at it a lot more as a family dynamic movie than a wrestling. - Rastlin, which I was kind of hoping to see more old-timey guys like, oh, cool. Something like things like that. Just never, like the, was it the fabulous free birds? - The free birds, yeah. - And then Rick Flair towards the end. I was like, the only ones they really showed. - Yeah, the Rick Flair was just terrible, yeah. - Yeah, and that hurt the movie. - I'm gonna give this a 2.5. I like the story, it was right there, man. Like it could have been really, really, really, really good. And like, it was just clunky. Like the whole middle section where everybody started dying was just clunky. And yeah, and it just wasn't, yeah. Didn't do it for me. 2.5. - I'm dropping it even lower to a two. - Low low low low. - They weren't cursed and partly for you guys giving my movie last week a low score. So it's a little spiteful drop down. - It's gonna give the next little bit. - Nick Cage movie is seven, like, yeah. - Oh, well, that's a given. - Yeah. - Especially all these were acted circles. - You give, you give up movie reviews like Trump's Project 2025. It's just all vintage.