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And of course, we'll close things out by answering all of your questions in the comments section if you're tuned in live at tip of the iceberg on YouTube. Thank you to everybody that is tuned in live as we'll get into, let's start with the defense because when you look at the moves that were made yesterday, one was clearly a reaction to the other. And let's start with the Pittsburgh Penguins brought into the organization, which is left-handed defensemen, Sebastian Ajo. And no, not the Sebastian Ajo that is down in Carolina, the Sebastian Ajo that you know from the New York Islanders, the Swedish one, signs a two-year contract with the Pittsburgh Penguins at $775,000 annually. Like I said, left-handed defensemen, I tweeted out yesterday that as soon as he signed, he's going to be able to battle for the seventh defenseman role. And then I saw him get that second year and all of a sudden, to me, that signals that he is the leader in the clubhouse for the defense, seventh defensemen slot behind a pretty interesting left side, as we'll get to here in a little bit with Marcus Pedersen, Ryan Graves, and newcomer Matt Grizzlick. But you bring in Sebastian Ajo, a guy who, on his career, 190 games played, 50 points, minus 10 career rating. He is exactly what the Penguins are bringing him in to be. At 28 years old, he's a guy that you know what he's going to be. You bring him in as a seventh defenseman, he's an injury replacement, or if, you know, the bottom falls out on a guy like Matt Grizzlick and he continues to go in a way that he is going right now, then you have a backup option in Sebastian Ajo. You have somebody else outside of Ryan Shae to be able to battle for that opportunity to be, you know, one of your top three on the left side. I mean, the Pittsburgh Penguins defense left a lot to be desired last year. So getting more options is never a bad thing. Bringing in a guy like Sebastian Ajo who, his time was up in New York. I saw a couple of reports that were saying that he kind of fell out of favor with Lane Lambert before he got fired up there. And then he got an opportunity under Patrick Wa when he became the head coach of the New York Islanders last year. And he kind of just wasn't able to beat out the players that were in front of him. I mean, that was the direct quote by Patrick Wa late in the season when asked about Sebastian Ajo getting a couple of healthy scratches. It was, you know, it's nothing that he was doing personally. It's nothing that he was doing at all. He just wasn't beating out the players in front of him. He'll get an opportunity to try to beat out guys like Mac Gris like and Ryan Graves who are coming off of some pretty bad seasons. But those players on the other hand do have a much higher ceiling than a guy in Sebastian Ajo. Now, who's spot does he end up taking? That is one of P.O. Joseph. Obviously, Joseph brought into the Pittsburgh Penguins organization as part of the return for Phil Kessel back in either 2019 or 2020. It's been so long. I almost can't remember, but P.O. Joseph's time with the Pittsburgh Penguins does come to an end. Penguins decided on Sunday, they weren't going to qualify the restrictive free agent, allows him to walk to free agency and he decides that he wants to join his brother Matthew by signing with the St. Louis Blues on a one year deal, $950,000 for the Penguin, the former now. I should say Penguins defenseman in his career, 147 games played, 37 points and a plus four total rating. It's an interesting swap here because personally, the signing of Grizzlyk to me automatically made P.O. Joseph a seventh defenseman. Joseph saw himself differently, saw an opportunity to play with his brother and he took it down in St. Louis. I think part of that is going to be the fact that, again, we'll never know this for sure, but it seems as if the Penguins were notified that P.O. Joseph wasn't going to take the contract that they offered him, that he was going to look elsewhere and they went out and they got somebody to replace them right away and that was Sebastian Ajo. So I'm interested to see what Ajo looks like, but to me, he is a seventh defenseman. And we'll bring up the rundown and we'll bring up the projected lineup here in a couple of minutes and I'll show you exactly where I see him in favor of the rest of the defense. But when you look at bringing in a guy like that, again, similar to a lot of moves that Kyle Dubas has done this offseason, low risk move, potentially decent reward, not absorbently high reward. The ceiling is not through the roof, but at the same time, you bring in somebody that is going to be able to help your team out and going to be able to, especially on that left side, kind of balance the scales when you look at the AHL level, allowing a guy like Ryan Shea to continue to play if he's not going to be in the NHL lineup. Give him some seasoning at the AHL level or, you know, if the tables turn, you get some injuries. A guy in Sebastian, who has played a lot of hockey at the National Hockey League level, he has played at the AHL level, but that hasn't been for a couple of seasons. So you're bringing in a guy that has spent a lot of time as an in the lineup out of the lineup type of guy in Sebastian Ajo, especially last season. Let's move over and talk about the main reason that I have this live stream today and the main topic of conversation for this live stream today, and that is where does this new direction for the Pittsburgh Penguins leave the 2024, 2025 edition? Because as we've seen over the last week, both with Kyle Dubas's moves when it comes to trades and free agent signings, as well as his words on Monday, the rebuild is here. You know, we've always speculated when are they going to rebuild? And a lot of people, including me said, well, as long as Crosby is playing at this level, 90 plus points a season, it makes it pretty hard to rebuild. Kyle Dubas said, not so fast. I can rebuild right now, and that's what it appears to be that they're doing. This is the quote from Kyle Dubas on Monday afternoon at his news conference, a question credit goes to Rob Rossi of the athletic asking about the on ice direction of the Pittsburgh Penguins and part of Dubas's response was very telling to me, quote, we're not looking to simply squeak into the playoffs. It's to return the team to becoming a contender as soon as possible. Can we do that this season? Can we do that next season? It's hard to put a timeframe on it. That is in every way, except actually explicitly stating it saying that the Pittsburgh Penguins have officially entered a rebuilding process. Now you could try to change up the way it sounds, rebuild, retool, re, you know, shotgun rebuild. We heard a couple of times early in the off season. The fact of the matter is it's a rebuild because no, they can't immediately become a contender next season with anything that he does to materially change the team on paper going into this season. The only way they become a contender is if a lot of the players on their team, and we'll get to this, overplay what they're expected to play, overperform what their expectations are going into this season. So the pens are in a rebuild and that brings up the question that I wanted to ask and wanted to get everybody else's opinion on here in the comments section. Where does that leave the Penguins of this year? Because he's looking to the future as Kyle Dubas. He wants picks, he wants prospects. He's only signing contracts for one year or two years simply because, well, in two years of getting him all can retires. And then you can really start to tank this team into a rebuild. But where does that leave this team? Because Dubas also mentioned as part of that answer that the team that's in the room right now is too good to completely throw everything out the window. Completely bury it down to the studs and rebuild from there. So what does that make this year's team? It's a rebuilding team from an organizational standpoint. But the team on the ice in 2024-25 on paper, I'll say it right now. To me, it looks better than the team one paper looked last year. At least slightly better, not significant by any stance of the word. But when you look at the team on paper, I will say for the most part, it looks like it could potentially be right up there with last year's team. Let's bring up the roster right now. This is where we're looking at projected roster, projected lineup for the Pittsburgh Penguins to begin the 2024-25 season. And a little caveat to this is the fact that they're 100% will be another move or multiple moves made in this offseason by Kyle Dubas. So this is by no means the set in stone lineup for opening night, October, I believe it's ninth against the New York Rangers. But this is where we stand as of right now. The top six remains unchanged, Drew O'Connor, Sydney Crosby, Brian Rust. As far as first lines go, you can take it or leave it, right? What did I say at the start of this offseason for those of you that have been following along the whole time? Drew O'Connor was fine in that first line role last year. But what he would be better at is if you were able to get somebody up there, which reports are saying that the Penguins are looking to get somebody to put up there next to Crosby and allow Drew O'Connor to bump down to where Anthony Beauvilla is as the third line left wing. And right now, O'Connor, Crosby, and Brian Rust. Second line, again, remains the same as it was in the last game last season. Michael Bunting, Evgeny Mulkin, and Ricquell's in for a bounce back season. Kyle Dubas mentioned it on Monday said he's too good to not bounce back. And that's what they're hoping happens. So I expect Ricquell to bounce back. Not only that, we saw Ricquell play some of his best hockey of last season with Michael Bunting and Evgeny Mulkin. So you're hoping that that is just a recipe for success on the second line. But again, if you look back at that last game of the season against the Islanders, the top six remains unchanged. The bottom six, whole lot of turnover. Third line, Anthony Beauvilla, Kevin Hayes, Valteri Pustin, being the only holdover from late last season. Kevin Hayes obviously brought in over the weekend, including a second round pick coming over from the St. Louis Blues for future considerations, Anthony Beauvilla signing a one year contract out of free agency on the opening day on Monday. I look at this third line. I think there's a lot more offensive potential here. Kevin Hayes, of course, a half decent two way center, but at the same time, you're losing a lot of speed. You're losing a lot of, I mean, you have size there, but you're not getting any younger having Kevin Hayes being your third line center. You bring him Beauvilla. He was one of the younger free agents on the open market at 27 years old. As far as third lines go, this is not a third line of a contender as we all know. This is not a third line of even a top two team in the Metropolitan Division, considering what the Washington capitals did. It might not even be a third line that would be top four in the Metropolitan Division. But I think when you look at this third line, if they play at their highest level, which again, we'll get back to in a little bit here, it is an improvement on last year, at least offensively, it is going to be an improvement on last year. And if you can get somebody in that Drew O'Connor role on the first line on the left wing and you get Drew O'Connor, Kevin Hayes, Valteri Pustin, and then I think you have materially and significantly improved what the third line looks like. And then you go to the fourth line, Blake Lazat, everybody loved the addition of Blake Lazat. He's one of two players, including Sebastian Ajo, who we talked about earlier, to get a two year deal this week from Kyle Dubas, Blake Lazat slots in as a fourth line left wing. He can play center as well. I think something might have to give when it comes to center because he have Crosby, Malkin, Kevin Hayes can play center, Lars Ehler can play center, Nola Chari can play center, Blake Lazat can play center, Anthony Beauvili. You get my drift here. There might be something that has to give, especially if Kyle Dubas is looking to continue to gain salary cap space, continue to gain draft picks, and continue to gain a more bright future in the Penguins prospect rankings. That might be one of Ehler or Chari. I talked about that yesterday, but that's where it stands right now. Lazat, Ehler, Achari, as your fourth line, you get to bump Ehler down from 3C to 4C. I think that's an improvement and you get to bump Nola Chari from center to wing, which I also think that is a mass improvement. So at the end of the day, top six remains the same, bottom six, slightly better as we stand right now. The defense, on the other hand, not too much difference. First pairing in the same, Marcus Pedersen and Eric Carlson. I think that's going to be your top pairing regardless. Matt Grizzlett comes in slots in as a number two defenseman on the left side. He will likely start the year with Chris Latang. He spent majority of his career so far playing alongside Charlie McAvoy at the top of the Boston Bruins defense court last season. Wasn't his year. He ended up being a healthy scratch. If you look at the season before, you started to see some of the seeds of doubt being planted and Matt Grizzlett's time with Boston success was also invading him that year. That all dates back to the coaching change between Bruce Cassidy and Jim Montgomery. Maybe with a new system, maybe with a new coach, Matt Grizzlett refines his form. And if he does that, you're in pretty good position with him and Chris Latang. What that also does is it bumps Ryan Graves down, puts him in a much better position to succeed him and Jack St. I have an easier third pairing. And then in net, you have Tristan Jari and a returning Alex Nadelkovich. So again, on paper, not a materially worse team than last year. And last year, they finished three points shy of making the playoffs. So while they are, yes, 100% expecting to go into a rebuild. I will say this, the team that they have on paper as of right now, it's not going to be the worst in the league. It's not going to bottom out. And some people might want it to bottom out, but I think that's where the respect for this core comes where they say, we're going to give you pieces that at the end of the day, these pieces, if they perform up to snuff, could make you a playoff team. And if the stars are able to pull them into the playoffs, then that's what they're going to be happy about. They're going to say, all right, you're a playoff team. While we're rebuilding, we're not giving up assets to try to, you know, bring in big pieces. They're not going to spend copious amounts of money and free agency like we saw other teams spend like the Vancouver Canucks, like the Nashville predators who believe they're right on the cusp. The Penguins are on the downturn and they're trying to turn the ship around to get right back on the upswing. It's a hard thing to do. It's a hard thing to do. But we started this entire segment by saying, what direction does this team have on paper? They look very similar to last year's team, which would put them somewhere around a bubble playoff team. I think their fate in 2024, 25 is going to be determined by two factors, one of them more important than the other. Third factor and the most important and the obvious one here, can the Penguins top players remain healthy again? And they, can they maintain the level of success that they have been showing at an advanced age? Crosby and Malkin back to back 82 game seasons. Crosby back to back over 90 point seasons at 35 and 36 years old of getting Malkin. Some will say he had a down year still ranked among the top 10 in second line centers and scoring. Can they maintain those levels? Can they maintain that level of health? Chris Latang coming off of an 82 game season, but he had multiple injuries. One being a finger injury. The other ones we have yet to be told. So Ken Latang stay healthy. Can he remain healthy throughout a season where he's not dealing with stuff, but still playing, which we saw last year led to a regression of his play as time went on. Can he stay healthy throughout the season? And then Eric Carlson played 82 games last year. But can he elevate his level? A lot of people said he had a disappointing season in his first with the Pittsburgh Penguins. I personally, when I'm projecting next season, I'm projecting Eric Carlson to have a better year. We'll obviously have exact numbers as we get closer to the year. And as we start to see how everything else shapes up whenever training camp begins, but I would project Eric Carlson to have a better year talent wise. Can he match that with another year of health? So that is factor number one, to whether or not this team will be a playoff team in 2024-25. Number two, and the one that, you know, outside of keeping your stars healthy, the one that is going to be, you know, you can say gold tending, you can say the power play. How many of these reclamation projects work? You saw the lineup. I just put it out there on YouTube, at inside the Penguins, you looked at the lineup. And the one thing I didn't mention is he had Sebastian Ajo, yes, a Paul Yarvi, who's still technically a reclamation project. You had John Ludwig, who's trying to get his feet wet at the NHL level after a first year marred by injuries. Emil Bemstrom, who's trying to find his stride in his second organization at the NHL, there's a lot of reclamation projects on the Penguins roster. And that's what they're going to look at whenever they're a rebuilding team. Guys like Anthony Beauvilla, who has been a suitcase for the last two seasons, four teams in two years, a guy like Ricardo Cal, who signed a massive deal after a really solid first couple of years after being traded. The Penguins signed a massive deal, had a disappointing season last year, Kevin Hayes had a disappointing season last year. Look on the defense side. Ryan Graves, Matt Gris, like both of them, in the last three seasons, there were a time where they were looked at as a top four defense men on any given team in the National Hockey League. Ryan Graves was the top defense men, especially defensive defense men, available on the open market. Matt Grislick, there weren't very many left handed defense men, but he was among the best. I know that's not saying much because there wasn't many available, but he's a guy who at his best made up a really good defense pairing with Charlie McAvoy. Can one or both of those guys reclaim what they used to be at the National Hockey League level? That's going to be factor number two. How many of these reclamation projects actually work and how many of them continue to go the way in which they've been going lately for their NHL careers because say three of those five that I just mentioned, Beauviliade, Raquel, Hayes, Graves, and Grislick, if three of the five of them continue to struggle and continue to go on the path that they showed last year, Penguins are going to be right back in the same situation where it's going to be the top stars dragging the carcass of a remainder of an NHL roster as far as they can. And we saw the last couple of years, right now at the age of the rat, the farthest they can drag them alone is three points or one point shy of a playoff spot. So I'm not saying playoffs is off the table, even for a team that is now outwardly rebuilding, but I am saying they're going to need two big factors to go in their favor. And that is the health and level of their star players. And that is these reclamation projects. Can David Quinn go in there and help Graves and Grislick and revitalize Eric Carlson to the level he was at his Norris trophy season, get him back up towards the 70 point mark, the 80 point mark. Can that happen? Can the power play be figured out by David Quinn? Can that be reclaimed? Those are going to be the biggest question marks for the Pittsburgh Penguins for this season. We understand that the moves from the front office are all going to be pointed towards the future. Prospects picks and some of these players, even if they come in and they look really good this season, Anthony Beauviliade, Kevin Hayes, Matt Grislick. There's a chance that they end up getting flipped at the trade deadline if the Penguins are not in a very solid playoff position by the time that rolls around in 2025. So it should be an interesting year. Like I mentioned, there is still plenty that needs to take place during the 2024 off season. Penguins, they're still looking for somebody to play with Sydney Crosby. Who knows if the door is shut on making any more changes to the goaltending room? Who knows if that door ever shuts, right? Because your Blancfist becomes a no doubt guy that needs to get NHL time at what point does Tristan Jari become, you know, begin getting shocked during the regular season? Should be an interesting next couple of months for the Penguins organization leading into a season that is going to be very intriguing, right? Because you got a rebuilding team at the organizational level, but you got a team and specifically a core of players that are as, I don't know what word I'm looking for here that there is competitive as any core has ever been at the national hockey league. I'm talking about Crosby, Malkin, and a guy like Chris Latang, who's uber competitive as well. They're not just going to sit there and let the Penguins tank. It's not going to happen like that. So interesting, interesting season on the horizon for the Pittsburgh Penguins. But keep asking your questions in the comment section. I'm going to take a quick break. When I come back, we'll try to answer as many, and if I can, all of them. Thank you guys so much for tuning in right now. I'll be back in just about a minute. Welcome back to the tip of the iceberg live. You can find us on YouTube at tip of the iceberg or anywhere. You get your podcast from, let's get into your questions. Got a lot of good ones in here, obviously the opening of free agency has everybody Jews stop about the NHL. We see Jake Genssel signing with the Tampa Bay Lightning and Steven Stamkos effectively being the back source of that going out the other way to the national predators. It's been interesting, but we'll get into all of your questions that we can here. Let's start with Wolf of YouTube. Do you think we end up getting Vladimir Terasenko? Yes. Josh Joey of the Athletic putting out yesterday at the Penguins did extend an offer out to two times Stanley Cup champion winger Vladimir Terasenko. I think he would be exactly what the doctor ordered for the Penguins top six. I don't know if they end up getting them though for one of a couple reasons. One, the Penguins can't offer, you know, an opportunity at Stanley Cup number three this year. They just can't. They're not going to offer more than two years. Kyle Dubas has already, you know, expressly stated that unless a young player that can help them far into the future comes out of the woodwork, they're not going to give out a long term contract or a big money contract. And three, that's just the other thing. If it gets to be a bidding war for Vladimir Terasenko, who as of right now is probably the best store at the top three free agents remaining. If there's a bidding war for us services, Penguins can't afford it. I understand that they can still make a trade here. They can make a trade there and clear some salary cap space, but they're not going to be able to afford it. That's up to four and a half, five million dollars for Vladimir Terasenko for them. It has to stay down around four, three and a half million, maybe even three million. If he wants to come play with his fellow countrymen end up getting him, so do I think they end up getting him? It would be nice. It's nice that they're going after him. I think that's a great addition. If they can do it, I would say the odds are that he ends up going somewhere else because I just don't think the Penguins have enough to offer a guy like Vladimir Terasenko unless he specifically just wants to go to a team and play with his countrymen and play with Sidney Crosby and just make his money and have fun playing the game. If that's what he wants, which I don't know because I don't know Vladimir Terasenko personally, then great. Penguins have a shot, but I just think other teams have more to offer them. If they do, the Penguins just aren't going to be able to keep up with that. Let's go to the next question here. Gunner Murphy wants to know who are you most excited to see at roster development camp? If you're not in the know, July 6th through the 10th in Cranberry at UPMC Lemuse Sports Complex, 48 young players will be taking part in roster development camp for the Pittsburgh Penguins. When I looked at the list today because the roster came out today at PittsburghPenguins.com, there are your usual suspects that you expected to be there, Owen Pickering, Braden Yeager, who has been electrifying ever since he stepped foot in the Penguins organization last year at the NHL draft. I'm excited to see all six of the draft picks from this past. The weekend are going to be in attendance. I'm excited to get that first look at them here, what they have to say, joining the Penguins organization. But one player stood out to me right away over my cursory search of that roster. Villy Koivunen, him and Cruz Lucius, who were both part of the Jake Genssel trade back in March, are going to be at rookie development camp. And Koivunen is the most interesting one to me. He tore up Europe last year in the professional leagues. He's coming over to North America, or at least is expected to come over to North America this year. You would assume that he starts the year in Wilkes-Barr, but this is a guy that has all the talent in the world. If he can impress from this weekend on, he might be in a position where he's going to push one of those veterans that we had on the roster out. Maybe Anthony Beauvilla becomes a moot point. Maybe he becomes a waiver guy and he turns into being just an asset the Penguins don't need. But last year, like Andreas Jonson, what he ended up being, of Eddie Henestroza by the midway point of the season, I'm really intrigued to see what Villy Koivunen ends up looking like in his first appearance outside of the Carter Cup playoffs, the short two game Carter Cup playoffs. I'm excited to see what Villy Koivunen looks like with the Penguins this weekend. Team Crusade says, "What if Dubas traded Raquel to replace him with a guy like Vladimir Darasenko and the one left wing could be Jack Roslavik." I like Jack Roslavik as an option. I think he would be more a third line center, third line winger type guy if all things were considered as best possible scenario. But again, I don't think Kyle Dubas is going to trade Raquel personally. I feel like everything that we saw last year, I feel like what we know about Raquel and what he was the year prior. It just feels like he's going to be one of those players that end up being on the list that Kyle Dubas wants to see step up and have a much better bounce back season in 2024-25. So I don't think Raquel is on the trade train, especially because I'm also not sure what the market is for a guy that has four years left on his contract, that has a modified no trade clause and that is coming off of one of the worst seasons he's had in the last four or five seasons. So it'd be interesting if he does pull it off and does obviously open up the space then to bring in guys like Terrasenko and maybe even Roslavik. I would say Terrasenko goes one left wing and you have Roslavik as a depth piece. Maybe he becomes your third line center, Kevin Hayes becomes your fourth line center and you bump out both Eller and Achari or maybe you try to trade Eller even more so then. First for as a question here says, "From Dubas's statements, do you think in two years we will be a cup contender with the entire roster except the four that matter gone?" If I had to put a bet on it, I would say no, right? The last time we saw something like this in a parallel situation, we saw it with the New York Rangers. They decided that they were going to do a little rebuild. They sent out a letter to the fans, which the Penguins are not doing, and then they lucked out a heck of a lot, right? They ended up signing our Temi Panerin. They ended up getting the first overall pick in Alexi Laffron-Yer. The year prior to that, they got the second overall pick in Capocaco. Everything worked out perfectly for the New York Rangers and that's why their rebuild was so short. But even then, it was right on the brink of that two year timeline. I would say this is an impossible job for Kyle Dubas to make this team a Stanley Cup contender in the next couple of years. Am I going to rule it out entirely? No, because I do think that the four that matter that you referenced there, Christopher, are four that at their best, and if they can stay at their best, can carry a team with half decent pieces further than they should. Do I think that they'll be able to get the half decent pieces? Do I think that that's what Dubas has assembled here in the opening days of free agency? That much remains to be seen. I want to be able to see them on the ice at least once. That's all I ask, at least once before I start making that presumption. But if I was a betting man, I would say no. I don't think he's able to make the penguins a cup contender in the next two years, especially if he's trying to do it by way of rebuilding, giving some free agency scraps of Sydney Crosby and Evgeny Malkin in the gang and saying, make the best of what you got here and we'll see how far that takes you. I just don't see that being a possibility. Zeiss move has a question that says, I think we should make a move on Ryan Souter. He's old. Yes. But he can be a third pairing right handed defenseman behind Chris Latang and Eric Carlson. And that's the problem that I personally have with this idea. Now, Z, if it wasn't for the fact that the penguins have both Latang and Carlson, I would say, yeah, maybe you take a bet on a Ryan Souter. But right now, your third pairing right handed defenseman is Jackson Ivan. And that is a guy that you want to give as much ice time to as humanly possible early next season because they threw him into the fire last year. He didn't just float. He swam pretty well. I'm not going to say Michael Phelps fast, but I will say that he stood up for himself and he really made an aim for himself at the tail tail end stretch of last season. So I don't think the penguins need another defenseman on the right side unless you're getting a depth guy. I don't think Ryan Souter is that guy and personally, unless there is a big move, ie Ryan Graves, unless somebody takes Ryan Graves, which again, highly doubt it. I don't think it's plausible this off season. But unless that happens, I think the penguins are done on defense. I think the defense that you see now as the defense you're going to see heading into the season, they're going to hope that David Quinn can come in here, work some magic and get the best out of these players like he's done in the past with guys like Eric Carlson. So I don't mind the name. I think when other teams are looking for a veteran to kind of round things out, maybe be a seventh defenseman on the right side, Ryan Souter's name is going to come up, especially because he's going to be cheap. He's currently on two other teams, salary caps because he's been bought out obviously by Minnesota and now by the Dallas stars, but he's not going to be coming to the Pittsburgh Penguins. I feel like they're done on defense. Toxic Friends asks about a very interesting name that whether or not he comes to the penguins, I'm intrigued to see what his future has for him. Toxic Friends asks, do you think Jacob Verana would be a good fit or worth trying to go after? Jacob Verana is a classic case of immense talent that can't get out of his own way. That's what his entire career has been. He's had some issues and obviously that cost him time with the Detroit Red Wings. I believe that is why he was sent away from there and then he went to the St. Louis Blues, had a decent start and then faded into the back once again. If Verana can put it all together, he would be a tremendous addition for the bottom six. I just don't know if any NHL team or which NHL team I should say, maybe not any because sometimes talent trumps all and teams just want talent in as much as they can get, especially when they're going to sign as cheap as Jacob Verana does. Do I think he would be a nice addition? I do. Do I think he would be a fit with the Pittsburgh Penguins specifically? I'm not quite sure. I don't know if they would go after a guy like Jacob Verana, especially because they've already made those moves to bring in younger veterans like a guy like Anthony Beauvillier, a guy like Blake Lazade, who's pretty young, but he still has, you know, a lot of NHL experience under his belt. I think they've already filled their quota on that and unless Verana is still dangling out there at the start of training camp and could come in as a PTO, I don't think he's going to end up in the Pittsburgh Penguins organization. Arthur goes back to Vladimir Tarasenko, who's obviously the biggest name that everybody wants to talk about this week, but he says if Tarasenko doesn't work out, would a returning Daniel Sprong be a potential option as a bit of middle six or third line scoring. This guy, you know, Daniel Sprong, it obviously didn't work in his first hit in Pittsburgh and a large portion of that was because of his, I don't want to say inability, but his lack of desire to play defense and that has kind of followed him throughout his entire NHL career when he was finding success with Seattle, when he was finding success last season with the Detroit Red Wings, that has still followed him around and the head coach as last I checked for the Penguins is still Mike Sullivan and I don't know why it just doesn't feel like those two are going to be able to work together again at the NHL level. So I would say Sprong does not end up becoming an option for the Penguins, even if they don't go out there and land a guy like Vladimir Tarasenko, not to mention the fact that that's not what they need right now. They don't need third line scoring. They need somebody to play with Sidney Crosby and then bump everybody else down. Team Crusade says, could Lazot signing the two year deal that Blake Lazot signed on the opening day of free agency cause a Lars Eller trade? Yes, it could. Short version. Yes. Team Crusade 100% could cause a Lars Eller trade. In fact, that's what I speculated about yesterday. I kind of hinted at it earlier today. There's a lot of centers there, right? Crosby, Malkin. They're one too. That's easy. Cut and dry go away. Seven A's is your third line center. Kyle Dubas stated that that's where he's going to start. He likes him there and I think you have him in that position. Now Blake Lazot plays center. If you want him as your fourth line center, where does that put Lars Eller? You could realistically move him over to the wing, but in this time where Kyle Dubas is trying to get his many draft picks, as many prospects to open the door to the future of the organization as much as he is, you're not going to just carry Lars Eller to carry Lars Eller. Now, I think it puts Lars Eller on a potential trade block. I think it puts Nolichari on a potential trade block. I don't think it'll be both because I think the Pittsburgh Penguins will want to have at least one of them on the roster. I think it would likely be Eller of, if one of the two are traded simply because Lars Eller probably brings back a little bit more by way of assets on the return. Justin asks, "Could you see Philip Zadina signing and playing with Sid?" I don't think they would sign him to play with Sidney Crosby, and that's the thing. When I'm looking at these options, I think the only name and free agency right now that makes sense is a signing for that position is Vladimir Terasenko. If it's not going to be Terasenko on the open market, I think they look at a trade, and that's something I'm trying to look through and see who could potentially be available, who could fit that mold as a trade prospect for the Pittsburgh Penguins to play alongside Sidney Crosby, where it's not going to cost them an arm and a leg, and where it's going to bring somebody in that can play with Crosby on a short-term deal. I still need to look into that, but I don't think they're going to get that person unless it's Vladimir Terasenko. I don't think they're going to end up getting that person on the open market, so I don't see Philip Zadina being a guy that comes to the Pittsburgh Penguins. American Coasters says, "Where would Vlad go if they sign him?" That is exactly where we've been talking about. First line, he's a right-winger. Makes it a little bit more complicated. What I would say, and I think I said this yesterday, is if you're going to go with Vladimir Terasenko, see I'm getting all messed up now because the Pirates and Vladimir Guerrero is something I've been thinking about a lot lately too, but hockey here, Vladimir Terasenko comes into the Penguins. He's a right-winger. I think at that point, what I can see is Ricard Raquel moving to the left, bumping up with Crosby, who he has succeeded with time and time again with this organization. You have Raquel, Crosby Rust, then you have Michael Bunting and Evgeny Malkin, who have worked very well together, and for the first time, seemingly in his entire career, Evgeny Malkin has a Russian winger that is a very talented goal scorer, and I think that's where he ends up going if he joins the Pittsburgh Penguins. Team Crusade says, "Who could be a Tristan Jari replacement if the Penguins end up moving on from the NetMinder?" It's interesting because the trade market has slowed significantly on goal tenders, specifically because it was so rapid early on in the off-season by early on in the off-season. It's only been two weeks long, but two weeks ago, you saw Jacob Marks remove, you saw Darcy Kemper move, you saw a couple of signings in free agency, you saw Elia Samsonov go to, I believe, the Vegas Golden Knights, so now they have Aidan Hill and Elia Samsonov. I kind of like that duo. There's not a lot by way of the trade market right now that's available, so I think that if they move on from Tristan Jari, there's only a handful of options out there that they could go for. I know a lot of people have mentioned John Gibson, that is not an answer that I want to hear, especially with the contract that he has. Honestly, best-case scenario at this point in time, considering who is available, who's not available, you might have to wait for the market to heat up a little bit more. Maybe you get into the season, Tristan Jari does what he does and he gets off to a hot start, and before he hits that climax and that downturn on January 1st, maybe by then Joel Blunkfist is ready to go, Alex Nabelkovich has proven that he can be the guy that he was at the end of the season, but still be a little bit better. Over a 900-safe percentage would be nice, and then maybe just trade Tristan Jari, go with those two and then see what the gold-tending market looks like next offseason. It's going to be interesting because, again, everything we've heard, reporting by Rob Rossi of the Athletic, Josh Joey of the Athletic, Penguins were not happy with how Tristan Jari finished last season. If they run it back with them this year, last year the excuse when they signed that contract was it was the best option available this year. There were some other options available, but understandably, they're trying to maintain as many picks and as many prospects as they can because they're heading into a rebuild, so it's going to be very difficult. Yankee's Dynasty says, "Know what's only July 3rd and free agency started on the first, but how would you rate the team's off-season thus far, moves and et cetera?" You can look at it from two ways. When the off-season started, I looked at this as the way that Kyle Dubas had been stating. They're going to continue to try to give Sydney Crosby the best chance possible to go for Stanley Cup #4. That messaging has changed, right? So if I was looking at, from the beginning of the off-season, if you told me these were the moves that happened, I'd probably give it a C- or a D+ because I'd say this is not making this team, really, you can argue and I did argue that it makes it better, but it doesn't make it substantially better, and last year, they weren't a playoff team, so how does making it barely better make them a contender next year? It doesn't, so C-D+ if I'm looking at it from that aspect, but since then, as we talked about in this episode, the direction has changed. It is, do the best you can, we're going to see whatever you can pull out of this if you're Crosby and you're Malkin, what can you pull out of this ragtag bunch of free agent dumpster dives? What can you do with that and then we're also going to build for the future? I'm giving them a little bit of a higher grade simply because you got more than you paid for with Riley Smith. You got a second and a fifth. You got a second round pick for Kevin Hayes, and all of a sudden, you look at the Penguins, the next couple of drafts. Let me pull it up here to make sure I get it entirely correct before Cap Friendly decides to go dark because, you know, the Washington Capitals ended up doing that. You look at the draft picks they have, full compliment next year, they actually have eight picks in next year's draft, including the St. Louis Blues second rounder. They have their full compliment, minus the sixth rounder, but they actually added a third rounder. So they have seven in 2026, and then they have nine in 2027, multiple second round picks in 2027, multiple third round picks in 2026, multiple fifth round picks next year, being able to do that while materially not selling the farm, and I think he's going to continue to be able to do that, bring in no more draft picks, bring in, you know, more guys like Billy Cuyvunen, who I'm very excited about, like a Visilli Panamara, who I'm very excited about, Cruz Lucius time will tell based on that, I'll give him a B minus because these are the moves of a rebuilding general manager, and he hasn't significantly hindered Sidney Crosby's ability. He hasn't helped him, but he hasn't hindered him going in the next season, and he's also been able to add some pretty decent pieces for the future in those picks that he got in the Kevin Hayes trade and the picks that he was able to get in the Riley Smith trade. I was, I was stunned that the Penguins got back more than they paid for Riley Smith. I understand that they retained $1.25 million, but hey, they're a rebuilding team. Who cares? Let's go to Matt's question here, and then I got to go catch up because you guys have been active in the comments section, appreciate everybody for tuning into this one. If a Terasenko signing doesn't happen, back to that one, did the Penguins make a trade using one of their stockpile draft picks for a top six winger? I'll echo what Kyle Dubas said in again, losing track of my days, either Friday when he talked to the media in Vegas, or Monday when he talked to the media in Pittsburgh. It's probably going to look similar to what you saw with the Kevin Hayes trade. Somebody who's fallen out of favor with his current team that has a pretty considerable cap hit that they want off the books, that if Kyle Dubas can make it happen and Kyle Dubas can make it fit, he'll take that and try to get a draft pick as a kind of sweetener in return. I don't know if they're going to use a lot, I don't think they're going to use a first round pick personally at all. I think first round picks right now are off the table, but that is just an outsider's perspective. Kyle Dubas wants to keep those in his back pocket and unless the penguins show him that they are above and beyond ready to go for a cup this year, which again, it's a long shot chance that it happens on the slim chance that it happens. That's the only way I could see Kyle Dubas parting with one of those first rounders. I don't think he's willing to give up very much of anything as far as draft picks are concerned. So we'll have to wait and see the ones that he was able to get. Maybe he flips, you know, maybe he flips one of those Rangers picks. Maybe he flips the third rounder in the, you know, the shark's third rounder for next year. But I think it's unlikely that he ends up doing something like that. Let me look through here because you guys have been, like I mentioned, really, really active here. Matthew Clark says, trade a mid round pick for Patrick line A. I can't, I can't narrow down with the Patrick line A price is going to be, but I would have to imagine it's higher than a mid round pick, even if he has an $8.7 million cap hit, especially because the penguins right now, unless they're attaching some salary going back the other way. Maybe it's an Eller, maybe it's a Nola Chari. They're not going to be able to fit it under the cap. They have three to $4 million left in salary cap space, even if the Columbus blue jackets retain half of that deal. That's still over. That's still close to $5 million, four and a half million dollars. So there would have to be something going the other way. And I just, I don't know if the price is going to be that low for the Pittsburgh penguins. Pittsburgh Heather jumps in and says, is the risk for injury or age of Max Patrick ready too much for Dubas? Yes. I mean, he said he wanted to make the team younger and faster. Two of the players he added kind of spits in the face of that and Kevin Hayes, who's 32 and Matt Grizzly, who's 30, but again, 30, not that old for somebody who hasn't had substantial injuries. I know Matt Grizzly dealt with a couple injuries last year, but he hasn't had substantial injuries throughout his NHL career. And 30 at this point in the NHL is not overtly old, right? That's still technically in the prime for a lot of these guys. The only reason Kevin Hayes came over is because it was for future considerations and they were able to attach a second round pick. I don't think they're going to go out and get a guy like Matt's Patrick ready just for the sake of bringing in Matt's Patrick ready. I don't think that fits the mold of what Kyle Dubas has shown to want to be doing in the next couple of years. Peter says, what do you think about Tanner Howe? Personally, I'm not the guy to ask about that. I have not dove into these prospects. It takes me a little bit longer to get into them. I will redirect you if you have the athletic to go check out Jesse Marshall's piece, friend of the show. He does a great job getting up quick, detailed, thorough and immensely fun to listen to slash read slash watch ideas and thoughts on these prospects. He put one up today about Tater Howe and the other second rounder for the Pittsburgh Penguins. So I would say you go over and do that. I still need to do a lot more research, Peter. So thank you very much for tuning in, but sorry, I can't give you a much more detailed answer into that. Zeiss move says, do you think David Quinn can rejuvenate Ryan Graves, Matt Grizzlick and Eric Carlson? Man, when you spell it out that way and when you line up up in a row, starts to sound a little bit like a Herculean task for David Quinn, knowing the level that Graves played out last year, the level that Grizzlick played at last year. So I think it's possible, especially because he already has a track record with Carlson. And as I've stated on this show, I don't think Carlson played poorly last year. He didn't, but he didn't reach the levels and the expectations that everybody had for him. I think he starts to get closer to those expectations under David Quinn. And I do think that odds are one of Gray's or Grizzlick returns to form. And honestly, in the spot that he's at right now, I'd say you probably start to see results more for Ryan Graves early in the season that you do for Matt Grizzlick. Him alongside Jackson Ivan, he sounds like a successful idea for Ryan Graves again. He was at a point and at a level last year where he was extremely bad. So is he going to be able to bounce back? I think he's in a pretty good situation if he's deployed in third line minutes alongside Jackson Ivan, I think it's a pretty good spot for him. Pittsburgh Heather says, let me actually get a drink will cook, but she says, could a guy like Kubalik be an option for the penguins? Only at 15 points last year, but had 46, 38, 32, 45 in the four years prior dominant Kubalik. I loved him when he played for the Chicago Blackhawks. I thought that he was a really interesting prospect. And I do think that he fits the mold without looking deeper into it, without pulling everything up and looking at his underlying numbers. It does seem like he fits the mold. But again, how many more opportunities are they get or how many more options do they have to bring in guys for the bottom six? I don't think he's a guy that goes with Crosby, but similar to Andreas Johnson, similar to Vinny and a Stroza last year, if you bring him in to be an AHL guy to potentially, you know, if those younger guys, Pahnomarev, Koivoon in pool and aren't ready to potentially jump frog them and take some NHL ice time, I don't hate it at all. I don't hate it in the least. I think he's an improvement on Anthony Beauvilla. But I think if they could have afforded him, he is a free agent, right? If they could have afforded him, then they would have went out there and tried to sign him before Anthony Beauvilla. Let me just check really quickly what his contract status is currently. He is a UFA. So yeah, if they could have afforded him, if he was at the top of their list, I feel like they would have gotten him before they got a guy like Anthony Beauvilla. Link says, "Is development camp open to the public?" Yes, it is. The Penguins have all the information up on their website, but it is open to the public. Like I mentioned, it is July 6th through the 10th up in Cranberry, and I believe the 10th is whenever they have, they're going to have a tournament there with all the players involved. So that one will be very fun to go to. And I think a lot of the players there, listen, you got all six of the draft picks this year. You got a majority of the draft picks last year. You got both first rounders of the two of the last three drafts they didn't have on this year. They got Koi Vounen, who potentially could be at the NHL level this year. So he'll be in action over the weekend. It is open to the public. So if I was up there, I'd be going, but I unfortunately don't live in the area. Mickey says, "How do you think Blake Lazat is going to do with us?" I think he is going to become one of the fan favorites. I think he does. Because when do you look at what the Penguins fans like? How quickly did it take Brandon Tanev to endear himself to the fan base? Six games, seven games, and that was a player, that was a fourth line player specifically, who signed a horrendous contract. Right? That was a six year deal for, I think, two million plus dollars. It was a horrendous contract. During the summer, everybody said, "This is what are we doing? Why are we signing this guy?" Once the season started, everybody said, "Well, I don't know how the back end's going to be, but it's sure fun to watch him." Blake Lazat's on a good contract, and he's going to be a lot of fun to watch. So I'm excited. I think he's going to fit in well. I think he fits the mold for somebody that, even though he's young, and I know people say that Mike Sullivan doesn't like young guys, I think he fits the mold as somebody Mike Sullivan is going to really enjoy deploying on the fourth line. Think Janssen Harkins, but 10 times better, maybe even 20 times better. He signed, so you don't have to worry about him coming back to the Penguins unless it's on a trade, in which case I think everybody will riot. But no, I think Blake Lazat's going to fit in very well with the Pittsburgh Penguins organization. Pittsburgh Heather says, "Who are the guys to start the season on the left side of the defense?" Pedersen, Grislic, Ludwig, Ajo, Graves, and Ryan Shea are all options. Marcus Pedersen, number one guy. I think Matt Grislic starts on the second pairing with Chris Latang, as I stated earlier, and I think he got Ryan Graves on the third pairing. I think it's a battle between Ludwig, Ajo, and Shea to see who becomes the seventh defenseman. Ajo is the leader in the clubhouse because, well, they just handed him a two-year deal, so that makes him a little bit more realistic to be the leader in the clubhouse. Not to mention, John Ludwig is going to start the season. I don't know if he's going to start the season on IR, but he's currently rehabbing an injury that might force him into a slow start at the beginning of training camp, which is where he might be in the back there. Brandon says, "From what I heard, Nick, according to Josh Joey, he said that a leaked email has already said the signing of Tarasenko has happened. What is your assessment on that?" Ah, yes. The leaked email. I've seen that going around as well. I think it might have just been a typo, personally. I don't think it happened because if it would have happened at this point, why would they not announce that? Right? They don't have to be cap compliant right now. They can go over the cap, look at the Washington Capitals. They would have announced it already, so I think it was maybe something that was typed up in a press release by the media relations team again. I'm on the outside looking in here. I'm going based off of hearsay. My assessment on that is the Penguin's PR team knows that they're going after Vladimir Tarasenko. That much was reported as fact by Josh Joey that they have an offer on the table for Taras It's nothing that I'm looking to for, you know, looking too big on for the future. Uh, tomorrow, great username, had me a little off, off balance there, see, and that one tomorrow says, why does nobody talk about class and Calvert Beck, Jelsma would be huge if one of those guys hit? I mean, simply because they're guys that are just brought in young, atley Calvert's interesting. Obviously, you know, whose teammate was was Braden Yeager last year, and he was, you know, Calvert was a really big piece to that Moose Jaw Warriors team simply because you haven't seen much about him, right? You haven't seen him on the ice at cranberry very much. You're going to get the opportunity to see him this weekend. I'm sure some people still might not talk about them, but there are names to watch. You know, you've headlined them. Their names that you want to keep an eye on atley Calvert specifically is, is a guy that I'm going to keep an eye on. I hope it's better than the Felix Robert experiment, which for those who know, and for those who don't, Felix Robert was the line made of Sam Pullen back at the Sherbrooke Phoenix and the QMJHL. Penguin signed him to do an AHL deal and a couple of years later, he was out of the organization. Atley Calvert, hopefully he comes and he sticks a little bit more. I'd like to see him play, you know, whether that's the ECHL level or the AHL level, I would imagine. He's a lot of talent. I'd like to see him start the year at the AHL level and see what he's able to do with some of these higher end prospects that the Penguins have, like guys like Koivuna that might start there, like guys like Sam Pullen that might start there. I think that would be really interesting. Jonathan's question here is, do you think Crosby used his influence on the organization to re-sign Mulcan in Let's Hang while going back two years ago and would Crosby, because of that, commit himself to re-signing in Pittsburgh? I'll talk about the last part of this first, Jonathan. Sydney Crosby signing another contract. I've said it multiple times, I'll say it again. It's a guarantee to me. It's not a matter of if he'll sign another contract with Pittsburgh. It's a matter of when. And one of those reasons, yeah, sure, I'm sure in his mind is, you know, he committed to Mulcan and Letang, he wanted them to be back with the Penguins organization. He's not going to walk out the door after all that happened. But at the same time, a much bigger reason is he's always stated outwardly and, you know, to the media, to everything we've ever heard about Crosby is he wants to play his entire career with the Pittsburgh Penguins. He doesn't want to be a guy that at the end of his career bounces around. You saw how hard it was for Stephen Stamkos this offseason. I'm sure that holds true for Sydney Crosby. The only difference is Penguins organization is going to acquiesce to anything. Sydney Crosby asks for outside of being unrealistic, like 15 million a year. We saw on the opening day of free agency, David Pagnota of the fourth period say that the talks and the scuttlebutt is that it's right now around a three year deal. I would assume that's where it is because that's where I thought it was the entire time. As far as whether or not he used his influence on the organization to re-sign, Malkin Latang, maybe he said something. He's a guy that, you know, there's stories out there about, did he or didn't he? I'm not going to sit here and, you know, try to presume that I know what happened two years ago because I wasn't in the room. I don't text Sydney Crosby. So I'm not going to sit here and speculate on that. But, you know, as far as the next contract, again, matter of if or not, a matter of if, a matter of when. Lucas says, "Would you take Truba and his full contract of Drury and add a first round pick and then eventually buy him out?" No. No. No. I'd like first round picks. Don't get me wrong, but I'm steering clear of that entire Truba situation. Now, again, I understand that he's, it's a weird situation that he's in right now saying that he's utilizing his no-tray clause because his wife is in a residency in New York and he's trying to stay in New York. That's great. You know, that is something that reminds everybody these are humans in hockey. These are not just names on a spreadsheet. These are not just stats on a spreadsheet. These are not just, you know, ones and twos, exes or noes. These are humans. And, you know, I like the fact that he did that for his wife. I think his wife certainly probably appreciates it. But if I'm the penguins, I'm steering clear, especially if your idea is just to get them and then eventually buy them out, Kyle Davis doesn't like buyouts. So from a realistic standpoint, it just doesn't fit the penguins, President of hockey operations. Let's do a couple more here because we are getting up close to the one hour mark. Let's go with Chris's first. Do you think high-end prospects such as Tristan Brows, Braden Yeager or others make the penguins roster this upcoming season, Yeager, with the fact that the team is in a rebuild, looking at the moves they made so far this offseason, I think Braden Yeager is heading back to Moose Jaw. Again, there's a chance that he is good enough and ready enough to make the roster, but it just doesn't seem like they're willing to do that. He has one year left of eligibility with, you know, the Moose Jaw Warriors. He cannot go to the American hockey league. So I think he ends up at this moment. That's my prediction is that he ends up going back to the WHL and Moose Jaw. Tristan Brows is going to start the year at the American hockey league level. I don't think this is a year that I expect him to come up to the national hockey league level, certainly not in an aspect and in a capacity that we saw guys like the Valtteri Pustin last year where he played 52 games. Maybe Brows makes a spot start, makes his NHL debut, starts two or three games if injuries befall the Pittsburgh Penguins and, you know, he ends up being the guy that is hot at the American hockey league because the Penguins have shown that over the last couple of years. If you are the player that is playing hot, it doesn't matter where you stand in the prospect rankings. If you're the one that has scored five goals in five games, you're the one that's going to get called up for spot starts or a handful of games. So there's a chance Brows makes his NHL debut. I don't think he makes a significant impact if he does. I don't think he's a guy that comes up and plays 25, 30 games this next season. Looking at some of these other ones, any other questions that we have here, Z Smoove already talked about that, but definitely Blake Lazott, kind of the new brain to 10 of a little bit. Let's finish it off with this one here. Golden Doodles for life, one of my favorite names that we've gone through on here because Golden Doodles for life has been in the comment section for months now, it seems like. Last question for today, any regrets on not signing Jake Genssel to that same contract? Would it have been worth it to keep Sid at his happiest? I don't think so is what Golden Doodles for life says. No, no regrets on not signing Jake Genssel to that contract. Because Penguins are in rebuild and what is helped with the most in this rebuild? The trade of Jake Genssel, he is gone. I understand it. It was the right move at the time. Looking back on it is 100% the right move because you acquired. Let me see if I can get this without looking back. You acquired Cruz Lucius, you acquired Billy Koivunen, you acquired Vasily Panomarev, two of those three have a chance to make NHL playing time this year and potentially be everyday starters for a time. You also got a second round pick and one of those second round picks will be in Pittsburgh this weekend. And I believe that was it. And then you offloaded Tysmith who was never going to get a chance here anyway, 100%. I don't have any regrets. I don't think the Penguins have any regrets either because you brought in three guys that immediately go into, you could argue Cruz Lucius is in or out of the top 10. He's around eight, nine or 10. He brought in three top 10, three prospects that are now on your top 10 and significantly boosted the forward ranks as far as your prospect system. I don't have regrets. I don't think Kyle Dubas is going to have regrets. And I think at the end of the day, that was a smart and prudent move by Kyle Dubas and the Pittsburgh Penguins. But that's going to do it for this episode. Thank you guys so much. If you tuned in live or if you're tuning in after the fact, thank you guys so much for tuning in to tip of the iceberg live. Remember, you can find us on YouTube at tip of the iceberg or anywhere. To get your podcasts from, we'll see you guys next time. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
