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Payne and Pendergast Monday, December 30th FULL SHOW
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We come the eighth time to get to work in, man. Let's go! Great day! Great day! Oh, give me some juice, baby! Oh, yeah! Hey! What's happening, everybody? Happy Monday to all of you. Nice to be with you. I appreciate you getting up with us. What's going on? I hope you had a nice holiday. I hope you had a great weekend of watching football. We are here for you today. We're here till 8 a.m. As usual on a Texans Monday, even though the Texans played on Wednesday of last week, which threw everything off for me and others. But we're here now, man. We're back on a normal schedule and a normal week. We're ready to fight. We're ready to rock. You were ready. Thank you. I'm in Thompson. Thank you. I'm in Thompson for getting our game faces on last night. Ah! Ah! We hadn't seen... Good morning, by the way. How are you? I missed you. I'm good. Yeah, it's been a few days. Yeah, it's been a weird... It's weird. I missed me for a loop more than I thought it would. I just... Like yesterday, I had to remind myself, I was just kind of humming along, doing my stuff, and then... And because I had watched football on Saturday, it kind of caught me by surprise at noon that, "Oh wait, there's football I can today." Yeah, it's wild. Kind of. Kind of. There's a very few meaningful games left. No. No, but it was American football on television. We watched it. It was... So that was fun. Yeah. Yeah, the Rockets last night. Man, we hadn't had one of those with them in a while. Last year, where it felt like every other game, there was some sort of Pier 6 brawl during it. Yeah. It was one of those things where, "Okay, they're making some progress here, and they're doing some good things." But a lot of times, we were just happy to have a fight, whereas yesterday, I'm kind of like, "Well, yeah, the fight's good and all, but also, I would have liked to beat the heat." Yeah, Tyler Hero got hand in that whole thing. Man, as I'm watching it, I'm like, "He is the guy that can point at the scoreboard." For those who missed it, if you weren't up last night watching the Rockets, they lost to the Miami Heat. So they've lost too straight now, and they've blown big leads in both games. The Minnesota game on Friday, they blew a 16-point lead midway through the fourth quarter. That was... Yeah, that was bad. Yeah. Yeah. That was really bad. Last night, it was a 12-point lead. They were down at the half. They went on a big run in the third quarter to take a 12-point lead. And the way the Rockets have played this year, Seth, it was like, "Okay, well, this is one of those teams they just take care of business against, and this will be just fine." And then the Heat went on a run. It was back and forth. That was a very defensive game. You know, game finished, I think both teams were under 100 in that game. But the big story was at the end of the game, as the referees were losing control, specifically Mark Davis was losing control that game. I'm in Thompson decided to grab Tyler Hero by the lapels and just toss him to the ground. Like with great force and velocity. Yes. Yes. It was so leading into it. The Rockets were down by four coming out of time out, the 47 seconds left. Fred Van Vliet is having trouble inbounding the ball, calls the time out, and the official Mark Watson's face. Mark Davis. Mark Davis just doesn't see him. Call the time out. Yeah, he calls him for a five-second violation. So he calls him for a five-second violation, and Fred Van Vliet says, "Sir, sir, I called the time out." And Mark Edward says, "There will be no objections. You will not question my authority," and he tossed Red Van Vliet, or he gave him a technical. And he tossed them. He tossed them. Yeah, he tossed them. And then within a few seconds, and I'm on Thompson's, just scrumming it up with Tyler Hero. I would say it was just they were, nobody at fault necessarily, or they were both grabbing at each other. And then I'm on Thompson who was guilty of just making Tyler Hero look like a toddler. Well, yeah, Thompson. Maybe you would ever throw a toddler to the ground like that. No, no, no. But you know, let's pretend it's 1947 or something, you know, back when that was a discipline that you might-- back when it was okay. Yeah. So-- Yeah, well, that was just good parenting. Mm-hmm. So, and then it turned into a big scrum. Nobody left the bench. It was all scrums with guys that were on the floor. You leave the bench, you're getting popped for big-time suspensions these days. Jalen Green was-- it's so hard to-- there's so many things going on when you watch it. Jalen Green was shoved to the ground and had somebody on top of him. Yeah. And like, it was actually kind of scary for him because there's all kinds of feet around and everything. Yeah. You know, Shane Goon was kind of being a peacemaker, just it was a big old scrum. Yeah. So it wasn't-- you know, would you call it a fight fight, or the more-- It was a fight by 2024 NBA standards, you know, like not-- it's very rarely do fiscuit thrown in these things anymore, you know. As these Al Shire wasn't out there. No, no, no, no, no. But I'm-- As these are a punch of-- a punch of dude. No. But I'm and Thompson made a good case to get put into the circle of Swarm this Friday. Yeah. There are no Texans to put in there after the performance of Christmas. He's one of the swamiest guys out there in Houston sports. He plays ferociously in defense. Definitely one of the swamiest guys in the NBA. He's getting a lot of love right now for like defensive player of the year type stuff, first team all defense. Yeah. So that was kind of-- you know, it was not fun that they lost, and it's not fun that they've lost two in a row. They're a relevant NBA team. They've been sitting at the two seed for the last couple of weeks. We'll have audio from everybody involved a little bit later in headlines with that. But that was-- yeah, in case you were going to bed early last night and you missed it, if you're up with us this morning and you're on vacation, we thank you for that. If you're up with us this morning and who farted? If you're up with us this morning and you're just-- you're on your way into work, good for you, you know, I would recommend getting a job where they don't, you know, you don't have to go into work today or whatever. But-- but we're here for you. We're here for you for the next couple hours. All right. So the Texans open as three-point underdogs in Tennessee this coming weekend. The lines are out on week 18 of the NFL, and there's going to be some weird lines because there's a handful of teams that don't have anything to play for. There's a handful of teams that have no playoff positioning to play for. There's a handful of teams that whose fan base is at least would rather they lose than win, makes it a little more difficult to handicap. This Texans opening as a three-point underdog in Tennessee this coming weekend seems to be a line to me. And I know the Titans beat the Texans back in week 12. I get that. They beat them 32 to 27 at NRG Stadium. That was a game where the Texans had a pick six and eight sacks and still managed to find a way to lose to the Titans. Thank you, Kaimie Fairbairn, for missing a field goal. But I would say even with that loss to the Titans in week 12, and even as poorly as the Texans have been playing and make no mistake, they played their worst game of the DeMico Ryan's era on Christmas day. That was their worst performance of the year. That might have been their worst performance under DeMico Ryan's. They didn't score any offensive points and they lost 31 to two that the three, the Texans being a three-point underdog at Tennessee is indicative of a line at least, Seth, where Vegas is expecting the Texans to rest a lot of guys in this game. I would say I think it's a combo of them expecting to rest a lot of guys, but that also the Texans offense with nobody resting the other night looked wholly inept and that there's probably a combo of, okay, the Titans had their Texans number last time they played them. But then also, yeah, if everybody rests, then it's going to be even worse. I would say if anything, the Titans beating the Texans last time in NRG Stadium would factor positively. If this were a game that weren't in week 18, let's pretend this was two weeks later like last year's Titans game was, that I would think, if anything, because you look at that game and everything in the box score, other than two massive plays by the Titans, everything in the box score, if you put your hand over the final score, you would have said, okay, well, the Texans won this game. You know what I mean? Like, they had to pick six in this game. They sacked Will Levis eight times in this game. So I think this thing, you're right, I mean, any line is a combo of things. It's never just one thing. But I would say there's zero chance that the Texans would be an underdog in Tennessee, unless Vegas thought CJ Stroud wasn't going to play in this game. Yeah, if this was a game that matters or what have you that, and honestly, I'm at the point now where all right, I, for several weeks, I've been saying, man, they got to get something right with this offense. They got to figure it out. Okay. I know that the game of the Ravens might ultimately not matter that much. Maybe they don't even have a chance at the three seed, but I'd like them to possibly get the three seed and that they got to figure some things out offensively. That ship is sailed. That train has left that's the station. Yeah. The baby carriage is rolling down the hill. The best thing you can do right this moment is what's with you. What's with you wanting to toss babies and roll them down hills this morning? I don't know. Was there a baby at your Christmas festivities this past week that bothered you or a toddler? No, the youngest child that I interacted with was 10 years old and we had a delightful conversation. She's interesting to me. About cows. Okay. So yeah, we're good. No. I don't know. I don't know. So, I was struggling to come up with a third analogy and I, since the baby was fresh in my mind, the toddler was fresh in my mind, I don't know what happened. So, you know, groups of three, it's always good to deal with groups of three. So, or do a thing two or three year old, toss a three year old. Right. So, no. So that ship is sailed and the best thing you can do at this moment is at the very least get CJ as healthy as possible, get him rested. That game, and we'll talk about this later, you know, going back and watching, it's so frustrating because it's multiple things at multiple positions right now that they're tiny things here and there, but it all adds up to, it all adds up to a huge mess. Right. Like, okay, man, if you could have had, if you could have held the pass protection for an eighth of a second longer, if Laramie Tunsel, like, we'll just say the missed opportunity to Dalton Schultz in the flat in that game. So, CJ is throwing the check down, but Dalton Schultz stays in to try to pick up the blitz. Meanwhile, Laramie Tunsel is getting trucked backwards. Like he's a three year old. And that's just enough to delay the timing. And then, like, you know, if, even then, Laramie, if he had just gotten trucked back six inches less, that's probably a completion. Or if CJ maybe just maneuvers a little bit or makes the decision that much faster, it's a big completion in the first down. But you compound all of this, and especially now without Tank Dell or Stefan Diggs out there, it's, there's just not enough speed on the field. There's just not enough speed. And it delays everything. And a couple of the sacks that CJ took on the TV copy, I thought, all right, well, that's CJ's fault. He's got to get rid of the ball. And then you look and you see him like, man, all right, well, he's just waiting for Cade Stover to clear through. He can throw to Steve Xavier Hutchinson, like so many instances like that. It's all these little micro fractions that add up to a disaster. And the only thing I can think of to fix that right now is A, play Deontay Johnson feeds fast. We just get CJ as healthy as possible in the next two weeks. Well, and so, so does that change your opinion? I know we got to get to a break here. Does that change it? Cause there's, there's rumors of him being banged up now. Does that change your opinion of him play? You wanted him to play in this Tennessee game. Do you want him to play in this Tennessee game now? No, I don't know. I just, not after that debacle from Wednesday that I won't even call it Christmas. Yeah. I don't know how much. I'm with you on that. Like I say you and I are both thinking like I got to get these things fixed. What do you fix? How do you fix something that's been systemic for 17 weeks and 60 minutes against the Titans? Yeah. Is the offensive line all of a sudden going to be just nails it picking up games? Yeah. You know, is, is CJ going to be healthy? Is Xavier Hutchinson going to be faster or John like it just, it's all, it's all such a mess that the only thing you can do right now is just try to rest up and get as healthy as well. They're practicing at 11 30 today. They, you know, it's, it's been a long weekend. So they are practicing today and Demigo Ryan's meets with the media at 12 15. So we'll get some answers today. I would imagine. I would, I would say lay off doing like 16 half gasters at the end of practice. Yeah. Just, just go ahead and taper down for the playoffs. Take it down. All right. Um, we're off and running taper, taper down, taper down. Yeah. We're off, we're off and running on a, uh, on a Monday. Good to be with you. Um, we got you covered here all week long on sports, Seth and I are in all week. So we get covered all week long here on pain and pender gas, sports radio, six, 10. Um, if you were watching football this week and you saw Stefan Diggs commercial, I promise you, you saw it. Is this shade at the Texans? We will play it for you coming up next to shop is John to your reaction Monday on sports video, six, 10 years, pain and vendor gas, so the Texans, this is a situation. The Texans are three point underdogs in Tennessee as we talked about in the open that would seem to be a line that would indicate that your quarterback, your starting quarterback is not playing in that game. The Titans are one of the worst five or six teams in football as bad as the Texans have played recently. And by recently, I mean on Christmas as bad as they played offensively all season long, they should not be an underdog to the Tennessee Titans on any field anywhere, including what will probably be a hapless, lifeless Nashville on Sunday. So there's that here's where they're at, Seth with the playoffs and the standings. They cannot change their lot in life. They are now the four seed that losing to the Ravens cemented that they are the four seed in the postseason. There is a 75% chance this, that sounds a little high to me, by the way, a 75% chance that they face the Steelers in the opening round of the playoffs. And the reason I say that sounds high to me, the Steelers play the Bengals in week 18. The Bengals are one of the hottest teams in football right now. If the Steelers lose and the Chargers beat, I believe they play the Raiders. They do. They play the Raiders, which feels like an incentivized Chargers team as hard as the Raiders have been playing under Antonio, but they're bad, but they've been playing hard under Antonio Pierce. That doesn't sound like something that has a 25% chance of happening, like the Steelers losing and the Chargers winning. The Chargers play a bad team, the Steelers play what I think is a good team, but the Bengals are a good team right now. They've won four in a row and they are scoring points out the wazoo. That said, the computers are saying it's 75%. I would say it's the favorite, but 75% sounds a little bit high to me. Right. So let's just say it's a toss up between those two teams. Chargers stealers. It's going to be one of those. I do. There's, there's a part of me that I, if you want to make it as simple as the quarterbacks and his style of play and everything else goes with that, Russell Wilson's just still got too many blemishes in his game. Yeah. And that overall, even though they've done some good things offensively, I don't think it's anything that they can, they can bank on the, the fear would be all right. But Russell Wilson to George Pickens, he's, they've unleashed some bombs versus some good defenses in the Texans defense will generally play really, really well, except for the plays where they play atrociously and I could totally envision George Pickens having too long touchdown against the Texans, but on the sum total of it, I just, I just respect Justin Herbert Moore as a quarterback. Um, and you know, both those, this, the Chargers defense is good, but the Steelers defense is the Steelers defense. That's the only thing that, that swings me back over towards the Pittsburgh. Well, I think a big, for me, a big thing with Pittsburgh is the games at NRG stadium. If they play the Chargers, it'll be a home field advantage. If they play the Steelers, it's going to be, it's going to be half the crowd's going to be stealer fans. Yeah. Good call. And I'm, and I'm, I'm with you like in the grand scheme of things, I think I'd rather play Pittsburgh and Russell Wilson, especially I'm probably a little traumatized after watching from beginning to end the Chargers and the Patriots because it was our good friend, Ross Tucker doing the color commentary on that game, watched the entire game. The Chargers just steamroll a bad Patriots team. So I'm like, oh, this doesn't look like a team I'd want to play in the first round of the playoffs right now. If I'm the, if I'm the Houston Texans, um, that's the only thing that's keeping me a little bit tentative about the Steelers is just what it's going to be the complete opposite of what the wildcard round game was last year against the Browns where it was, it was one of those environments for Texan fans where you were like, wow, they're back. This feels like 2011 all over again. What is the percentage chance that it's the Ravens? It's like five percent. It's like five percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We need that. I need that, I need that ticket to come in. If it's the, if it's the Ravens, I, I cannot handle the week leading up to that game and the amount of the amount of pessimism and or just flat out apathy we're going to get from our listeners or just the, the appropriate and justified doom and gloom that it would be. If it was going to be the Ravens. Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're already in a pretty like strange place and gloomy and gloomy place. Yeah. Yeah. It's already regarding the opponent is like this offense has people very angry. Right now, I don't know if Stefan Diggs is angry or if he's just having fun, but if you missed it, Stefan Diggs, when we, we played some audio last week, Stefan Diggs is occupying his time these days doing two things, rehabbing his knee injury and doing dominoes commercials, you know, commercials for the emergency pizza. The dominoes likes to provide, he's providing what is it? A million emergency pizzas or something like that to people over the course of the, of the holiday football season here. This was a commercial dominoes did yesterday. Listen to the very end where the dominoes delivery lady brings up seemingly the Texans offense. When you order dominoes online, we'll give you a free pizza to use in the future. How much of a season is the foundation? So you'll have an emergency pizza when you need it most. Thank you. I'm there. Only a dominoes festivities. I'm going to miss you out there. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. That was the, that was the commercial added to you asking me about me hating babies. Yeah. Yeah. Jordan, it sounds like the opening segment is playing underneath that audio. When you order dominoes online, we'll give you a free pizza to use in the future. Now for the season Stefan Diggs will have to watch this one from home. So you'll have an emergency pizza when you need it most. Thank you. All good? Only a dominoes. They really miss you out there. Huh? Tell me about it. Oh. Tell me about it. They really miss you out there. What the hell, Stefan? Tell me about it. It only, it only took until the, the second to last day of the year while yesterday was the third to last day of the year for Stefan Diggs to say something this time on traditional media, not social media, that might be considered divisive. If this is a team, if this is a team where people actually were even checked in emotionally right now, they would be, I rate about this. I, yeah, that's messed up. That's messed up. It was a, you're right. It was a good list. I'm like, oh, and I saw that commercial, I'm like, oh, what's X saying about this right now? And there were a few people there, like, hey, hey, here's a thing that Stefan Diggs was not getting a lot of Seth pushback on his opinion. And his take about the second, about the Texas offense. I'd love to argue with you, but yeah, it's kind of, you know, especially with, especially with tank Delgon and my, my big impression after watching the offense, you know, rewatching that game, which was a miserable experience was, man, there's just not a lot of speed out there. There's, is everything is plotting and slow and gunky. And it showed me nice to have tank, because it's tank Delon, Stefan Diggs, whether they were producing or not, like at a high, high level, it was, it was a problem for defenses. There's a lot of speed to be accounted for when those guys were out on the field. Well, you know, who was producing at a super, super high level with the two of them out there? Nico Collins. Yeah. You know? He's still, you know, three catches, 60 yards, 74 yards, he's got he's, but since coming back, he's had one, 100 yard game. Well, and there's just, it's, there've been too many drops by Nico. It's not like all of a sudden has horrible, horrible hands or anything, but there are some big strikes that he's had opportunities to make in the last couple of weeks that he didn't make. Um, so it just, yeah, every, everything feels like you're running on fumes right now. And yes, they could use, they could use Stefan Diggs speed out there. I could do without his shots at, uh, how bad they look without him. Dang it. How surprised by that. What Roth watching that commercial. I'm like, did he just basically just say, yeah, they sure do miss me. You know, you know, these shoots go, they probably, you know, they probably had them read off 20 different lines and that was the one that they liked and it worked. I mean, he would, uh, I don't know, man, I was he paying attention to all the lines he was reading? Like literally he just said, tell me about it. He doesn't, he's got this reputation as a diva and he doesn't want to be a diva. So he's like, I'm not going to sit here on the commercial set and say no director. I will not read that line. Well, that's true. He didn't want to be a commercial diva. So he ends up being a diva to his old team by pointing out how miserable it is without him. Does this affect at all your desire to have Stefan Diggs back as a Houston Texan next year? No, no, I'm not worried about it either. I can beggars can't be chooser. They probably will not. It looks like they won't have tanked L next year. You know what I mean? Like you got to get guys. You need at least one other guy, a defense respects and actually that applies to this game against Tennessee in the postseason as well. They needed it to your point. They need another guy out there. The defense has to respect that ain't John Metche. That ain't Xavier Hutchinson, it ain't Robert Woods. Um, it ain't Jared Lane. It's Deontay Johnson. Yeah, and that Jared Lane, unless you want to have another tanked L situation, the, um, you know, Kylie Wong had a similarly horrific knee injury and you know, Kylie was a linebacker wasn't, you know, nearly nobody's as fast as tanked L, but I remember he came back. He got injured midway through the 2005 season and it was ugly. It was really bad. And I think he tore all his, all his ligaments, the ACL, MCL, PCL, but he came back and played the next season and it had a hard time with it, you know, that was Demico's rookie year. And I remember, I remember sitting in the training room with Kylie who was just putting on a heroic effort to be out there playing and, uh, and I just relayed to him what Brandy had said while she was watching, which was that Demico makes all the plays that Kylie used to make. And I was saying it more as a, I was saying it more as a compliment to Demico. And Kylie was just like, thanks, Seth, like Kylie was there about to make the play and then all of a sudden out of nowhere, Demico comes flying in and, uh, that was just kind of how it went for. I'm looking at, I'm, and that was Kylie's last year was 2006. He played 10 games, didn't start in any games, played in 10 games. And that was it. Um, so that, well, that doesn't make me feel good about 10. Well, it's 20 years later, you know, I just, I gotta just hope and think I, it's funny out cause I had, I had multiple ACL tears in my career or at least multiple ACL surgeries. I had a botched revision I had to do. Um, and I used to think of myself kind of as an expert on ACL repairs and then I realized in having a conversation with a doctor last year, like, Oh, I don't know squat about how they do things. These things. Yeah. He was explaining how they probably would do it differently this day and age and where maybe I would have recovered better, whatever. So yeah, I just, I would hope that especially with a lot of the, uh, you know, the growth factors and everything they use now, maybe, maybe it's way more realistic than it was back in the day. I hope so, man. I hope so. I feel horrible. I feel horrible for tank. Do you think that Deontay Johnson gets a normal wide receivers amount of snaps in this game? That's the, that's a, uh, million dollar question in terms of, Hey, if you're gambling on this game. All right, if Davis mill starts and you've still got, I, I don't know why they would rest any of the offensive linemen. I'm curious to see where those guys went on vacation, by the way, but, uh, on this little mini bi week. Yeah. Yeah. So there's that, uh, but we'll, uh, yeah, I, I'd like Deontay Johnson to get as ingrained in the offense as possible. So he doesn't need any rest. He, he got a good chunk of the rest up there in Baltimore. Interesting. All year. Yeah. Well, Davis Mills Deontay Johnson connection, if CJ is not going to play, which is going to lead us to the promise land Davis Mills Deontay Johnson connection. All right. Let's get to headlines, uh, rockets loose to the heat last night, but there was a fight at the end of the game. We'll get, we'll hear from all the parties involved on that. What does the NFL playoff picture look like after this weekend hall of fame finalists? We got a lot of stuff to get into in headlines and we will do it. You just realized your business needed to hire someone yesterday. How can you find amazing candidates fast? Easy. Just use indeed. 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The game played kind of in the mid 90s for most of the fourth quarter and then a lot of technical fouls and free throws at the end of the game because there was a fight. Yeah, there was a fight at the end of this game. The Rockets blew a double-digit lead in the second half and the Heat were up four points with under a minute to go in the game and the Rockets are trying to inbound the ball. And Fred Van Bleek gets called for a five-second violation when he was clearly signaling for a timeout before five seconds, I thought, and so did the announcers on the game. Craig Ackerman and Ryan Hollins. Udoka certainly thought so. Udoka thought so, Van Bleek thought so enough to where he got teed up and got kicked out of the game. Udoka eventually got kicked out of the game as well because I'm one of the ensuing inbounds plays with, you know, 20 seconds to go or so, something like that. I'm in Thompson and Tyler Hero of the Heat got into it with each other, grabbing each other's jerseys and then eventually I'm in Thompson, tossed Tyler Hero to the ground. Like hard. Yeah, pretty hard. Yeah, pretty hard. I'm in Thompson gets kicked out. Imeodoka gets kicked out. There's a whole big kerfuffle out there. No punches were thrown, but I'm guessing that I'm in Thompson will probably get a suspension of some sort. Maybe a game, something like that. There'll be a lot of fines. A lot of charities are going to get some money this week. Here was Imeodoka after the game on his view of what happened between Thompson and Hero. Oh, I just forgot to see a live, but I rewatched it and they were in each other's face, bump the chest a little bit and one guy stronger than the other, one guy stronger than the other. I hadn't caught that the first time. Yeah. It was good. It was good. Here was, here was Tyler Hero's version of what happened. I guess that's what happens when someone's scoring, throwing dimes, doing the whole thing. So I get mad too. Okay. That's he's allowed to do that. His team one and Tyler Hero was outstanding last night. He scored 27 points six, I'm sorry, nine assists in the game. He had a really good game. It also helped, you know, that the Rockets missed 11 straight shots as part of squandering that lead. No doubt. The fact that it was, the fact that it was on Thompson, I feel really good about just because it's not like this is some fake tough guy thing out of him. He's legit. He's been a scrappy, awesome defender all year long. And you know, he admitted that there's frustration mounted the fact the way the game was going and then however he did they were after the, after Fred Van Vlietz injustice that he suffered. It was, it was contentious, the, I like, I like, look, we know that this team can be scrappy. We know they play good defense. It was not like all of a sudden, I think, oh, look, okay, now they're a real tough team. I think it, for me, it's more of a highlight. Yeah. A lot of the frustration was mounting because yet again, they cannot shoot the shooting of the basketball kind of an issue in modern basketball. You know, you and I, you and I have talked a lot about the parallels between the Rockets and the Texans throughout this throughout really the whole trajectory of the rebuild. You know what I mean? Um, from the time that Deshawn Watson and James Harden requested trades within days of each other, the trajectory of both of these franchises had been very, very similar in terms of they both bottom out. They both bring in coaches that we know you can feel are short timers before you find the culture center and email, or Damiko Ryan's. And I would say the analogy continues to hold up to this very day, given the fact that the thing that seems to fail these teams, these two teams, both good teams by definition, right? You know, the Rockets would be a high level playoff team right now. The season ended today. The Texans are a playoff team and they won their division. So by definition, I know people don't want to hear that about the Texans right now because of how when the very least, right, they're 97, like they're not a bad football team. As it's similar with the Rockets. And similarly, it's the offense that's failing, both of you have, you have zero concerns over the, the dog level of the defensive portions of these teams and I don't have a concern with the Rockets dog level overall. I have a major concern with the Texans dog or swarm level, as we'll call it with the Texans on the offensive side of the football. Boy, you talk about the lame dog coaches too, as far as just the temperament of them, where like, Lovey Smith is a Lovey Smith. I don't like, I got no, like, I got no issues with that. Like he would have been a perfect bridge coach, but the David Colley and Steven Silas, both they're gentlemen, I think, you know, like, that's a, it wasn't, wasn't quite the feel of what you wanted out of your football team and, or football or basketball team. So with, with DeMico, DeMico, the thought I had as I was listening to an article about the Jets debacle was, man, I wonder if, I wonder if DeMico and his transition to becoming a head coach would be a lot easier, like a genuine head coach where he's not the defensive coordinator and the head coach, but just the overall head coach. Robert Sala would be an awesome defensive coordinator to have. And I like, I like Matt Burke. I think he and DeMico work really well together. But DeMico might just trust Robert Sala more because of the common ground and shared experiences and everything. And Robert Sala is a head out, a hell of a defensive coordinator. So that's, that's something to monitor a couple weeks from. I think so too. I think that second behind the offensive side of the ball is, yeah, should DeMico Ryan's be more of a CEO? You know, should, should he have less hands on play to play with the defense? Yeah. Because I don't think Robert Sala is going to get a head coaching opportunity real quick. And it's a, it's a shame because none of the Aaron Rodgers or quarterback stuff in general was his fault at all. And yet I think that's the, he lost a lot of his shine as a head coach, just because it was such a debacle and a mess the entire time. Yeah, it sucks. If your team doesn't get the quarterback situation right, it's, it's going to reflect poorly on your record. I'm speaking to NFL playoff picture coming into focus. The Colts are out, they lost to the Giants yesterday. So they are out of the playoffs. The Chargers clinched a spot on Saturday against New England. And there is, according to the computers, a 20% chance that the Texans could see the Chargers in the first round of the playoffs. The heavy favorite right now is it, it'll be the Steelers coming into town. We talked about this a little bit in the open, but the preference, the pain and pender gas preference seems to be at least in terms of matching up with rosters, the Steelers would be, you know, just based purely on Russell Wilson versus Justin Herbert, right? Yeah, Russell Wilson versus Justin Herbert, you know, I think the Steelers defense would probably present more issues than the Chargers defense, but you also brought up the great point of man, if it's a Steelers, it's going to be half Steelers in that crowd. And it may be more because of the way people feel about the team right now. And Steelers fans travel, they don't just travel well. They are everywhere. They're everywhere. They're are stealer. There are, there's probably, there's probably at least 500,000 Steelers fans in the state of Texas. Yeah. And the state of Texas. I don't know what the percentage would be. But yeah, so they, they, they come in and definitely in the entire region. So boy, if you actually want to have a genuine home field advantage, it almost needs to be the Chargers. I mean, the Ravens, I think you get the home field advantage. I just, I, I have no interest in seeing the reason. There's a fine for the reasons. That's bringing up the Ravens. There's a 5% chance they play. It's going to be one of those three teams. Heavy favorite is the Steelers to be the team they play. Next would be the Chargers, the Ravens, the Ravens would have to lose to the Browns. That's where I flipped by the way, Sean. I've been saying before that, man, depending on the situation, yeah, rest your guys versus Tennessee because that's a classic. Okay. Last game, meaningless. You get, get ready. That makes sense. Rest some guys. Sure. If it's, if it's a meaningless game, but I had been saying, well, no, I'd rather face the Ravens at home if I want to make a playoff push because that's your best chance at beating the Ravens. I've abandoned all hope of that at this point. And I'm just saying, all right, no, I'd like, okay, let's get at least a victory. You got to do something. Yeah. I don't need to see the Ravens at home. I don't need to see the Ravens again. Please. Yeah. Please, baby Jesus. No, I just, well, you know, just keep them away from me as long as possible. Nothing to do with them. What nothing to do with them. Fifteen Hall of Fame finalists have been named the class of 2025 will be announced. It'll typically it's a five person, a five man modern era class and it includes, you know, and then they'll add on a coach and a contributor and things like that. So five of the 15 finalists will end up being Hall of Famers. The big names on the list to Eli Manning is the headliner in terms of name value. Seth has a former teammate on this list, not from the Texans, but from Jacksonville, Fred Taylor makes the final 15, Seth. I'm not optimistic that he's going to make it just because he's, I think he's a compiler. People of you and as a compiler despite, I mean, he had some brilliant seasons, but without being on a high profile team and without having won a Super Bowl, they don't tend to reward the compilers to the same way they might somebody else from a more dominant team. No. In recent years, they've, they've been very friendly to guys who are the opposite of a compiler, like a Terrell Davis getting in, you know, who's four great years and then he got an knee injury, like he's in, he's a Hall of Famer. I would say to me, the biggest lock in this class should be probably Eli, but it should be Luke Keekley, in my opinion, who I think fits that sort of description that I just had of Terrell Davis in a way, like Luke Keekley didn't leave the game because of injuries that we know of, but he was in the league for what? Like seven years and he was a first team all pro practically every year. He was the best inside linebacker in football for like a six year period. Yeah. He should be the biggest lock in my opinion. Keekley is a slam dunk. Suggs, Suggs is way up there on the career sax list. So is Jared Allen. He's been up for about five years or so, but I think Jared Allen was a, Jared Allen was a little bit, there's a little bit of mark gas to note his game. I think in some ways, like not as much substance as a guy like Terrell Suggs. Yeah. I think too, when you play for like five different teams, like he did, you know, like there is something when you look at these guys and you go, Oh yeah, Reggie Wayne was a cult, his whole career. There's something, there's some sort of charm about a guy being with one team his whole career. You know, the interesting thing about Fred Taylor is that everybody above him, the, in the career rushing yardage is in everybody that's above him is except for that's eligible as in Frank Gore is not in, but he's not eligible yet. Adrian, Adrian Peterson, who's not, he's going to make it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's what I've always looked at Fred Taylor was like, he's the, cause I think Gore gets in like the ultimate compiler, but I think he gets in. Yeah. Fred Taylor, man. Good player. Good player. Obviously he's a Hall of Fame finalist. Um, all right. Those are your headlines from a weekend. Okay. Nevermind. I'm just like that the guy above it like Thurman Thomas and Fred Taylor played the exact same number of years. Yeah. Um, and yeah, it's because Thurman Thomas obviously was on really good teams and had, yeah, it's just, it's a different story. Yep. Uh, all right. Um, I've started seeing a trend on social media and it involves CJ Stroud and it needs to stop, but it does, it does beg the question. What exactly is wrong with CJ Stroud this year as compared to last year? We'll get to that. Hey, Fidelity. What's it cost to invest with the Fidelity app? Start with as little as one dollar with no account fees or trade commissions on US stocks and ETFs. Hmm. That's music to my ears. 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I appreciate everybody hanging through the break with us. What's wrong with CJ Stroud? We're going to talk about that in just a second here. I will tell you, um, and I want to say what's wrong with him. Like I Chris Sims, I saw a video from Chris Sims this weekend, which was putting a lot of CJ's issues on the surroundings as opposed to CJ himself, and I think both things can be true. I will tell you, Seth, the one thing that I'm seeing a lot of over the last 48, 72 hours that needs to stop and it won't because it's Twitter. If anything, I'll get copied on more of these now because I'm requesting they stop. These graphics that could put up with CJ's stats from this season in a column next to, say, Blake Bortles stats from his second season in the NFL. Oh, I haven't seen that. Yeah. Blake Bortles. I've seen a lot of Trevor Lawrence. It's basically cherry picking a bunch of quarterbacks who are generally have been since CJ came into the league, generally been viewed as inferior to CJ Stroud. Blake Bortles, obviously inferior to CJ. I don't know. Blake Bortles is in the league anymore. Well, Bortles, the binning of Bortles was that he amassed a lot of garbage time yard. It was like, it was like a record for yards when playing from behind and all that. Yeah. Several Lawrence. I'll listen to Trevor Lawrence because I think this has been my issue. I long said, well, look, I'm not, I'm not interested in making excuses for Trevor Lawrence because of his injuries that he's played through. And yet now I find myself saying, well, maybe CJ's a little banged up. I don't know. He's been playing through something. So I'm a bit of a hypocrite there. But I also think that like with Blake Bortles, or excuse me with Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence also had offensive line issues and protection issues and everything else. So it's really hard to separate some of CJ's play from the poor pass protection, the lack of speed in the wide receiving core now, especially, and everything else. The complete and total absence of a run game is really, I think, the most devastating thing because CJ has still done some really good things. It's just a lot of it's on third and long because they're in third and long all the time because they can't run the football. Yeah. The only thing I would say like specific to Trevor Lawrence and Trevor Lawrence in his second year got the jags to the postseason. One of that great run at the end of the year, you know, where they won like five out of six and he was, he was very good for that stretch. The only thing I would say in like making an injury excuse for CJ is that Trevor Lawrence never touched the level that CJ was last year. Like Trevor Lawrence has never been mentioned in conversations about top five or even barely top 10 quarterbacks, whereas CJ came into this year and a lot of people were expecting a top five quarterback performance and they haven't gotten that. So with CJ and the injuries, I don't view them as much as excuses as reasons. Like I'm if he were, if it were to turn out at the end of the year that he went in for some sort of procedure right after the year was over, I would feel relief that we would maybe now have an explanation for him missing some of the easy throws or at least easy for him. He made them look easy last year. Like he in that Baltimore game, he missed, there was a period in the first half where he missed like four passes in a row, well, no, then he missed, he missed four, like four batting completions. And the only completion in that stretch was one that maybe should have been intercepted if Dalton Schultz doesn't snare the ball and moss the guy, you know, and he missed them to everybody. He sailed one to Nico. He sailed a wheel route to Joe mix and he missed John Metche on a pass. Like it wasn't, it wasn't one of these things where he's throwing it to a guy, but he had missed three straight passes to Deontay Johnson. If he were active in that game, I'd have been like, all right, well, they're just not on the same page. You know, these are guys who were wide open and he's sailing these balls. So I, you know, if there were to be something after the year set that were medical, I would be a lot more relieved about some of the things that I do think are CJ's fault. He's got to make those throws. The thing that where I'm, I'm open to injuries being at least part of the explanation, it goes all the way back to his misfire to tank Dell in the Detroit game where it's sometimes when a quarterback just doesn't feel right, that's where there's a little bit of hesitancy to pull the trigger on some of the big time throws. And on that play, it just felt like, man, he waited too long to make the decision, and then he did not, and then he didn't throw a good ball on top of it. The game the other day, the interception that he threw, man, that was going to be a risky throw. And he was out on the run scrambling, but I feel like he, he's regressed a little bit because like on that play, he had time to plant his foot and throw it, but he kind of threw it on the run because there was pressure, but all right, does he, does he now feel that pressure more intensely because he's been hit so many times and because he's banged up because of those hits. It's just, it doesn't, it's not an excuse for the sum total of it all, but it would at least be a reasonable explanation for why there's some things that just aren't right. There's just too many times where even on the, the incompletion of Dalton Schultz in the flat where Dalton was wide open. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's a tight pocket. Yes. Laramie Tunsel was getting trucked backwards badly and CJ was getting hit as he threw it, but I feel like there was a version, there's a version of CJ that takes a half step to get away from it and then throws it or steps up in the pocket a little bit to make that throw. And I just don't know if it's either a lack of timing or trust or whatever else it is. Some of these, some of these hard throws, he's not making any easier on himself. And it, there's just everything's off. Now Dalton Schultz didn't get out of the backfield as quickly as, as he normally would on that because Laramie's getting trucked backwards and Dalton's checking for the blitz. There's just so many things that are off with the tight ends with the wide receivers with the offensive line that it, some of it might be injury, but some of it also might be that CJ is just his, his clock is screwed up now. This is, this has been the hardest season in recent memory for me to watch other teams play football, especially other teams that run this system to play football. Like I can watch other, other games, you know, during seasons like 2021 or 2022 and not get angry because the Texans are just a bad football team. Like I, you know, like it's whatever, it's a rebuild. I know there, the Texans need a lot more pieces to even be comparable to these other teams that I'm, that I'm watching play, but you know, I'm watching Green Bay in, in Minnesota yesterday and watching Minnesota just operate with Sam Darnold and with, and with Cam Acres making big plays at the end of that, Cam Acres had a touchdown and he had the catch that sealed the deal that, that basically made it so that Minnesota could just take knees. He was the guy that was in at the end of the game, not Aaron Jones. It was Cam Acres. So, so there were a few things to get a little upset about in that game, but the main thing because it's not just that game, it's other games, it's teams that are, that aren't even considered very good NFL offensive teams, but at least they're operating in a way that doesn't look, make everything look hard. Everything, everything looks hard with the, even the plays that they, that they convert, you know, even the third and fifties that they convert, it's usually something of siege. It's you, there's usually some element of CJ having to navigate some massive difficulty in order to do it and put a cape on in order to convert those plays. That's what's so infuriating to watch is it's, it's now the Texans are a relevant team. They're a playoff team. We've seen good offense at times, mostly last season with this team. How is it that these other teams that are very average offensively, at least make their, at least on first and 10, they hand it off and like, wow, there's an easy seven yard run. That's, that, that never happens with the Houston Texans. Honestly, the, the Cam Acres scenario and the fact that they traded him away is still so puzzling to me. I mean, you look at him versus Damien Piers, not like Cam Acres is having an all pro season or anything. He's only averaging 3.9 yards per attempt, but he's got, he's got 98 rushing attempts to Damien Piers is 21. You can, you can, I'll, I'll, I'll sum it up so you can put him on, you can put him on the field. Yeah. You can't, you can't put Damien Piers on the field. You know why I know that? They're not putting Damien Piers on the field. Right. Well, that's, I mean, Cam Acres has 12 receptions to Damien's too. Right. Cam Acres at the very least provides you some kind of dual threat at the running back position that and maybe, you know, with the Texans, he's going to have to manufacture a lot of that yardage. But I feel like he's at least capable of it compared to it. The two headed monster they have for backup running back of a Gumbelale and Damien Piers. It's, it's not a great backup running back situation, but the, the whole, the run game in total. And this is where I, you know, the, the whole thing with Bobby Sloane goes, we said all off season. All right, it's, it's very promising. He still has to prove that he can engineer a good rushing attack. I, I, now I'm like, okay, good would be awesome. A good rushing attack would be incredible, but we know that it's not even a, there's need to be good games in which Joe Mixon has over 100 rushing yards. We're still saying like, man, they did not run the ball well because it's Joe Mixon has a couple big runs, but man, they're not turning out yardage and it's putting the offense in third and long, second and long way too often. That's one of the things that I know individually the offensive lineman are not playing well obviously, but there's plenty of teams that run the ball better than the Texans who have journeyman offensive line across the board or at least one or two really good lineman, but not other guys to write home about. There's a disjointedness that it's impossible for me not to look at the whole operation and say at the end of the day, Bobby slow, it's not getting enough out of these guys. Yeah, I don't care. As angry as I get into an individual offensive lineman to be as bad as they are in the run game and to be as bad as they are at some of the things, simple things in the passing game. When you couple that with the tight ends and the wide receivers and everything else, there were no there. Is there a position group on the offense right now that you feel good about? Even with the, even before Stefan Diggs and Tank Dell got injured, you still didn't feel great about the wide receiving group other than Nico Collins. Right. Um, well, you and I led into this, I would, I would have said quarterback, but the lead into this segment was what's wrong with CJ right now. Right. Yeah. No, I don't. And just to be very clear, so it doesn't get misconstrued or twisted. I still feel great about CJ Stroud as the future quarterback of this football team. Yeah, there's a big element and I was feeling it during that Ravens game and I was seeing it during the Ravens game on social media and just talking to people. I think there's a big element for people right now that feels like a this offense ain't getting fixed this year and be everybody just needs a big reset, especially in the offensive side of the ball. Look, I just, and this is where when you talk about, there's just so many things off that you can make an excuse for somebody, you can make an excuse for somebody on the team almost every single down and I'll, I'll criticize Bobby sometimes. We're not attacking the middle of the field enough, but then you get into that game on Wednesday and there's times where, yeah, there's supposed to be quick hitters over the middle and mesh concepts and stuff, but even versus a four man rush where CJ's taken the ball in the gun, taken two steps backwards and he's getting hit at the top of his drop when he's trying, like, I just, the defensive lineman are coming free so quickly and ferociously up the middle at times that you can't even throw over the middle. It's just so frustrating, it's really, it's, I, cause then when I'm watching on TV, I wanted to blame CJ for not getting rid of the ball quickly enough, but then I'm watching the game and well, okay, yeah, he could, he's got it, like, he's, he's got Xavier Hutchinson open on a target, but Kyle Van Noy is on CJ as he would be starting his motion and it's just, you can't function that way, you just can't function that way. Yeah, I think it's a great, it's a great question, like what, on the offensive side of the football, what group do you feel good about right now, I probably went healthy even when they weren't moving the football all that great with tank and Stefan Diggs, both still healthy, I felt good about that room, you know, like, those are three good receivers. Well, now it's Nico and a bunch of dudes, you know, and the thing about when they had the three guys out there were just even two of them, they were still affecting the offense, even though the passing game or affecting the defense where the passing game wasn't what you wanted to be, but man, they're facing cover two all the time and you should be able to run the ball versus that, you should be able to complete short stuff, but they couldn't even do that because the ineptitude of the blocking and by the blocking, I'll say by the offensive line, the tight ends, the running backs, all of it, and then you add on to that, you know, Joe Mixon, I could make some of the same excuses for Joe Mixon that I make for CJ Stroud. Yeah. I don't think Joe Mixon's always doing a great job of making the right read. But then you're like, my knee jerk reaction is, but yeah, he's hardly ever getting good looks in front of him. And I think he and CJ both at times are pressing too hard to try to get the big shots. And it's just, it's just a, it's a quagmire. I don't feel great about any room on that side of the football and yet I feel like if they fix the wide, they fix the offensive line room, that has a, that has a, a, an effect on all the others. You know, I saw a cut. There's a cut out there that I think a lot of, if you're a football fan and you're on social media, you've probably seen, I think it's from the draft or it was after Jim Harbaugh was named the head coach of the chargers and I think it was at the, it was at the draft of the combine when all the coaches do availabilities at the press conference, or they sit down for breakfast with the reporters there in the room. And Harbaugh has a great cut and this is, and it, it, he kind of tipped his hand as to what they were going to do in the draft because they end up drafting Joe Alt, the tackle from Notre Dame to go with Ray Sean Slater as their other tackles. So they got their book and tackles for the next several years. And he said that basically, and I'm totally paraphrasing here, but offensive line is the one position that everybody else is dependent upon. You know, the, the other positions, they're not dependent on you. I mean, there, there is some interdependency with each position, but none more so than that group. And that is why we're going to build through the offensive line. And I think in terms of intentionality, I think the Texans have made an effort to do that in the last couple of years. It's just they, they're, they're either being coached by the wrong guys or they are the wrong guys. There is anything done with this group right now. I think the, the frustrating thing is that, you know, I'll say that, hey, you don't have to have all pros across the board. It's good enough to have a couple of studs and a few journeymen. But in this scheme, the frustrating thing is that usually you actually do get some really good performances out of average offensive lineman. If they're good for the scheme and if they're, if it's being coached right, that's where I think in the off season, if they don't make a change at offensive coordinator, I'll be astounded if they don't make a change at offensive line coach. And it's almost, I mean, this comes back to, this comes back to Damico's hiring. Chris Strauss, who had never coached in a system like this, you talked offensive lineman, this goes back to when I was playing against this scheme or talking to Gary Kubiak about it, the, it's, it's way more complicated than just what you drop on the board. It's, it's, somebody once told me that it was, you know, you can learn the, you can learn the playbook in a half hour. It'll take you decades to really learn how to block all of it. And there's a lot of technique involved. There's a lot of mental work involved. And when you have an offensive line coach who's never coached in a system like this before, that's, it's hard to pick up on the fly and expect that he's all of a sudden going to be just an Alex Gibbs senior. It's just, it's, it's not that simple or easy. Anybody who's ever been in management at any level, not just in football, but in business, knows hiring is a skill that you get better at over time. You get better at hiring people over time and like, and, and it's, it's normal, I think, for first time head coaches, it's normal for them to have a list of guys they would want to go coach with, you know, like they, like DeMico's probably been putting his list together during his time in San Francisco through the years. I would, I'd be shocked if he hadn't been like if, if any of these coaches college or pro don't have a list of guys like boy, when I get my head coaching job, these are my first 10 phone calls I'm making. So I want this guy. We've talked about it. And all the clinics we've been to someday we're going to coach together. Bobby and DeMico probably talked about it in those rooms when they were quality control guys like someday, someday, someday doesn't mean they're the right guys, you know, like you get better at hiring over time. And I think that's got to be the hope of your, a Texan fan is that the same way you hope that CJ improves at this or Nico improves at that, or Will Anderson Jr. gets better at the top of his edge rush. You hope that DeMico Ryan's gets better at identifying coaching talent and what fits what he wants to do here, the other, the other thing that happens with coaching is that the problem is people have contract and a lot of times you're dream list of offensive line coaches. You know, the top five guys on there, there's a good chance they're all under contract, you know, they, hey, Jeff Stoutland, the Eagles offensive line coach, probably not getting fired anytime soon, you know, it just like he's not there. The one thing that's curious to me about the Texans run game is that I don't, I don't believe they have a run game coordinator specifically. And you know, I, man, I don't know what's going to happen with Kyle Shanahan, but Chris Forrester is the offensive line coach and run game coordinator for the 49ers. He's been around forever. And I'd like, that's a guy where hopefully he's on DeMico's list that, all right, guys that could become available this off season, that if you got a chance, just money whip that dude, get, get, you know, get him is, get him as a guy in here who actually knows what he's doing. If you're not going to make a change of coordinator, agree. All right. Let's, let's acknowledge. Let's do some, uh, little positivity here, acknowledge some big performances from over the weekend. We need the music there. All right, so the way this works, if you listen on Mondays, you know, we acknowledge big performances or things we liked from over the weekend. Sometimes we acknowledge long-term performance in retirement. That'll happen in this segment right here. But I read a name Jordan who's producing today plays acknowledge me and we acknowledge why we are acknowledging these people. Um, let's start with Saquon Barkley, acknowledge me, acknowledge Saquon Barkley Seth for becoming the ninth running back in NFL history to go over 2,000 yards in a season. He is 105 yards away from Eric Dickerson's single season record. We will acknowledge as well that it's a 17 game season now, not a 16 game season like it was with Eric Dickerson back in the day. Um, but it's fair to say that the Saquon Barkley acquisition is working out as well as the Eagles possibly could have imagined and as poorly as the New York Giants possibly could have imagined. Yeah, the, um, the one thing, the one thing that John Mara, uh, didn't want to have happened but his GM kept telling him it has to happen for so many good reasons because most of all, let's be real. Uh, Saquon Barkley is washed up. Yeah, that's, uh, he's, uh, he's 20, he's, uh, he's 27 years old. What could you expect to get out of him? Why would you pay? And who's, and who's going to want him? Really? He also said that multiple times. Who's going to want him anyway? Right. No, we can't trade him. Turns out the Eagles wanted him. Um, why would you pay for that? I did believe one of the other quotes uttered, we're going to hear some of the audio here in a second. One of the other quotes uttered by Joe Shane, do I want to pay $40 million to my quarterback to hand off to a $12 million running back? Right. I'll point out that $40 million quarterback is a Minnesota Viking now. He's not even on the Giants anymore. He's not even a giant. Here's probably the most noteworthy exchange between Giants GM Joe Shane. This is from hard knocks off season, Giants GM Joe Shane and owner of the Giants and probably the biggest sequo on Barkley fan in the world, John Mara where, where, where, what's the latest? Just on the same one thing, I just got a text that Chicago's driving the price up and fill his out. I don't know if that's true or not, liar, which I don't know if I'll make a couple calls. I don't even know if that's going to, then it happened, but I have a tough time sleeping at the same point as the film will be outside of that, as I told you, just being out. I had been around enough players, but he's the, he's the most popular player we have by far. Yeah. Yeah. Joe Shane didn't want to hear about popularity. That was not registering. That was not, dude, the, the more we play that cut, the more Joe Shane in the very beginning sounds like a guy who is totally lying and doesn't even, he just thinks like this old man is going to believe me. He'll believe me. I'll tell you, man. And just with that right there, there's so many moments from that hard knocks where these are conversations that would have been had. We just wouldn't have been privy to them. So like let's pretend that this was never on HBO hard knocks, but these were the conversations that Joe Shane is having with John Mara where he's just continually over the course of that HBO hard, hard knocks off season, kind of pulling the wool over John Mara's eyes about the situation. And Joe Shane is repeatedly telling people on his own staff, no, nobody's going to want him. Why would Philly want Saquan Barkley? No, they're not going to go after him. So like he was so wrong in so many respects, which happens except that you also get a sense that man, it felt like he was actively misleading him actively misleading John Mara and not to mention, but then not even misleading it saying we've got to find out what we have in Daniel Jones, the guy that I paid without apparently knowing what we have in him. And now he's gone, which is what's so crazy about these reports that Joe Shane's job is safe. Yeah. It's just it's not. It's crazy. Somebody's got to grab John Mara by by his little fancy lad prep school blazer and say he is making a fool of you, John, like a man. Yes. All right. Let's keep it moving. Coach Prime. acknowledge coach prime, not for the abysmal performance that Colorado put up in the in the Alamo bowl. Be why you just took them to the woodshed and that was with Shador playing quarterback and Travis Hunter playing wide receiver and cornerback Colorado's guys played in this game. And I will partial a partial portion of my acknowledgement is to coach prime for having his guys play in the bowl game. I think it's really cool. Now they played like they were out a lot on the river walk over the last few days. They were not good. This is what has me acknowledging coach prime and this is where I've started. I've really come around on him this year as a as a coach and a leader and a leader of young kids, you know, young man, I should say. This was coach prime giving his opinion on something he thinks should be mandatory for college football play college athletes, but that financial literacy glasses should be mandatory. So these kids understand how to manage their money when they get their money in. I think it should be a pay scale. This should be structured. It can't be just time to get Harry gets this because he had a great year somewhere else. Then that throws off the chemistry and the structure of your whole team is just like one of you guys coming out here, some guys from outside coming in here. They make more money than you and they hadn't even been doing the work that you've done. It's not kind of, it's not fair. And I think the NFL has handled it right and we need to mimic the NFL when it comes to that because right now we're we're not pros, but we're semi pro. And that's the way it's going, if we don't get a hold of it, it's going to keep going left in the teams that don't have the budgets like us, it's going to be hard to sit up in front of you and then make it to a playoff game because now it turns into pay per view. And that's good. We're good, Jordan. That's right. That's good right there. The last about 30 seconds today is basically saying that college needs a salary cap like the NFL. All teams need to be playing. Oh, that's what he says. He goes on to say that. Yeah. No, no, I felt like that's I felt like that's what he was implying by saying the pros got it right. Now we need to mimic the pros. Oh, I thought he meant in terms of the literacy classes and everything because he's all kinds of stuff in the off season about educational stuff like that. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Maybe that too. Maybe that makes, I mean, given what he was talking about, that's what I assumed to be a program to program, who knows like how many of those guys even realize that they've got a, they've got to hold, you know, they've got to pay self employment tax and all that. And it's just, it's a lot. It's hard enough when you actually get a real job with an employer, you know, to manage your taxes. Yeah. But like you're all of a sudden making all that money as an independent contractor with all this NIL stuff. And it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. But then the part that I was intrigued by was in he was talking about the jealousy and everything. Yeah. That's, that's almost like a financial literacy and philosophy class in one. Yeah. Just, you know, understanding and not comparing yourself to others and keeping your eyes on the, it's a, it would be very tailored to professional athletes. I think, I think financial literacy courses should be mandatory in college period for every student. Yeah. I think it would be like that. Yeah. There's always mandatory. I had to take two theology courses at Notre Dame. Yeah. I had to take P.E. My freshman year. Now, look at how fit and pious you are now because of it. Right. I never, I never had to at any point, I mean, I was a finance major, but there were no mandatory financial classes. You know, it is funny. Yeah. I think like you can take, you can take any number of macro and microeconomics classes, but still not the good about managing your own personal. Yeah. I think it should. I think the syllabus should be totally putting the student in the, in the shoes of this is their money. Not this is the economy, you know? We had, I remember when we were in school, they, at some point, you know, they had home economics and you had shop class. And they changed it to where they were like, all right, like listen, times are changing. And I'm guessing a lot of these, a lot of these young women in the 1980s aren't going to go on to be housewives. Let's do, I think we call it home and careers. So it was like, we could still take shop or tech ed, whatever they called it. But there was a separate one that was home and careers, which was everybody took it and you had to learn how to do all the old home economics stuff, like cooking and everything. But then there was also balancing your checkbook, all there was a financial management side to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was in like, it was in like seventh or eighth grade. Right. So where it's not quite getting to the point where you know, you know, you don't have your own checkbook at that point, usually that's, it's a very, your junior senior year in high school is probably the best time to do that. Yeah. So, um, so coach prime, good job on your philosophy, bad job in the Alamo bowl. Good job with what you're, uh, espousing, um, Jonathan Fagan, Hey, Jordan, Jonathan Fagan, acknowledge me, acknowledge me. We acknowledge Jonathan Fagan, rockets beat writer for the Houston Chronicle hanging it up after 27, 27 years of covering the rockets and even longer than that with the Chronicle. I can remember when I moved here in like 1994 and 1995 and Jonathan Fagan was doing periodic radio over on one of Dan Patrick stations, I think with Matt Thomas back in the day. So he's been doing it in Houston even longer than the several, I believe if I'm not mistaken, even longer than the 27 years he's been covering the team. But man, you can tell a lot, Seth, about the respect level by the way the team that a person covers handles their retirement and Jonathan Fagan got an ad in the full page ad in the Chronicle from the rockets, email, Doka tossed a ball of basketball to Jonathan Fagan in the post game press conference after after they blew that lead to the timber wolves on Friday that was Fagan's last game, I believe. And they honored him last night at the, at the heat game, you know, center court gave him, you know, I don't recall what they gave him, but they acknowledged him at the game right there at center court. I don't know, Jonathan, really, I probably did a few of those like panel shows with him along the way on TV, you know, you and I have done enough TV, he's, I don't know that he's ever been part of the 610 family here, at least not while I've been here. I always enjoyed reading his stuff. He was excellent, excellent, actually, you couldn't ask for anybody better at covering your local basketball. No, and I look, honestly, the simplest thing is what I've always appreciated him the most for is just the, the game recap's like, I feel like he does that he did a really good job of just laying it out exactly what the pertinent issues were without hopping around all over the place. A lot of these young writers are so enamored of all the stats and everything that it turns out, it feels like you're reading an advanced box score the whole time that they then throw in a couple of transitions to and call it an article like Fagan would write actual articles every night. Yeah. And you do feel like, oh yeah, that was the most important thing in this game. Yeah, or that was the critical moment in this game. Yes. Thank you, Jonathan. Yeah, yeah. Usable for guys like us, especially guys like us if it was a West Coast game and we didn't see the whole thing. I'm like, yeah, like these, these recaps, these recaps were awesome. So congrats to Jonathan Fagan, who it sounds like is going to do a lot of traveling in retirement from everything that I've read. He had a really good kind of like final piece that he wrote thanking everybody. If you're a fan of Jonathan Fagan or you're a fan of the Rockets, go out of your way to find it. It was really, really good. Congratulations to him on a great career in an industry where it is really hard to go out on your own terms, and he's going out on his own terms. So good for him. He should have, he should have thrown the ball back to Doca. Like he's checking the ball in the press rifle it back Adam aggressively, one that game that maybe like a blue 16 point lead, Greg Gumbel acknowledged me, Greg Gumbel passes away over the weekend. If you're a sports fan at all in town, you know, Greg Gumbel, because it feels like he called a hundred Texans games over the last several years. He passes away in his late 70s cancer. He'd been suffering from cancer over the last several months, year two, maybe it he'd been off the air for a while. I would say Seth synonymous with March Madness. That's probably the thing he's most known for is hosting that studio show with whoever through the years. But the last few years it's been Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley, Clark Kellogg, obviously a big part of the NFL coverage. He was part of the nearly original group at Sports Center back in the day in the 80s. That's where I went to I graduated high school with his daughter, you know, because he worked in Bristol. He worked in Bristol, Connecticut, so they lived in my town. So Michelle Gumbel is a classmate of mine, probably best known in Houston or maybe not best known, but as far as like Houston calls go that are iconic, Greg Gumbel on the kiss of death in 1995 with seven point one seconds to play time out Phoenix and looking at him talk to the Phoenix bench. How wide open was it? Cue the Roger one on the play though. Mario Ellie is that the stake through the heart for a second straight season by the Houston Rockets. There you go. Kiss of death, man, one of the, I would say one of the three or four most famous plays in the history of this city, the Mario Ellie kiss of death and Greg Gumbel was the one on the call for that one. And also Jimmy Carter passed away yesterday as well Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter, he made it to triple digits. Right? He was a hundo. Yeah, he was in rough shape the last few years. You know, when people have Alzheimer's, he's like just from a personal sample. He was the first president that I was ever aware of that was a president because I was that was five years old in 1980. So I was like old enough to know who the president was and that there was going to be a new president. That was all I knew. I don't know how Gerald Ford was, you know, I was an infant when he was, yeah, Gerald Ford was the first president you were like consciously aware of consciously aware of. I mean, I remember my parents, like when I was real little saying stuff about Nixon resigning, like, but I didn't really gather what he was all about. Yeah, like Gerald Ford was all like, Oh, we elect these officials when they're when they don't resign. I knew my grandparents, my grandparents were the most political people I knew. So all I knew of Jimmy Carter was that I was not supposed to like Jimmy Carter, which is a politics baby. That's so. And his politics. All right. Um, look, we can sit here and talk about our issues on offense with the Houston Texans. We can take a look up north and say, well, thankfully this isn't us. The exit strategy has begun for a former Texan. We will have that for you coming up next. Pain and pendant gas is driven by West Point Lincoln and Katie Freeway. One mile west of the beltway exit Kirkwood under the giant American flag. It's a shop is John to your reaction Monday on sports video six, 10 live from the twin peak studios. Here's pain and pain over to John Harrison, Mark Vandermeer in just a little bit. Hey, quick update. We didn't get to this in headlines, but quick update up in Cleveland. We still got roughly $170 million worth of cap dollars allocated to DeShawn Watson spread out over God knows how many years with voidable years and everything else. Yeah, they did a little restructure over the last few days. Here's Ian Rappaport of the NFL network week as it pertains to their quarterback position, agreed in terms with DeShawn Watson on an adjusted contract. No, he did not give up as $92 million fully guaranteed. What this did was ease the cap burden in a couple of years in the event he is no longer than quarterback for them. But what this really did was make sure everyone knew DeShawn Watson will be back in Cleveland next year. I would expect some competition though, wouldn't be surprised if it's veteran competition. Aaron Rodgers, if he's not on the Jets, would be one potential option. Kirk Cousins, Rich, another one. I am so here for DeShawn Watson competing for a starting position in the NFL. Next training. You know what though? Who knows? Maybe that will end up being what's best for him. There is still, if I'm in Cleveland, you've got to talk yourself into things. You know that there's a high ceiling with DeShawn Watson somewhere in there. Somewhere in there is the guy who is still young. He's still young that had a lot of promise and played really well in a lot of regards in 2020. But where the Browns are right now with them, yeah, if they could, they would, if they could part with them, they would. But you know what this is, Sean? This is like trying to get divorced during COVID. Remember the divorce rates just plummeted. And it was like, I'm because there's so much stuff going on. Now, a lot of seeds were planted for getting divorced in the future, I'm sure. And they will get divorced in the future as well. Yeah, right. During COVID, I mean, people were like, the finances were dicey. Yeah. It was hard to even schedule an appointment with anybody that could help you get divorced. They was just, the divorce rates plummeted like 50, 54% and then they rebounded very quickly post COVID. But yeah, that's where they are. They're in the middle of a bad marriage in the middle of COVID and the finances just won't allow them to divorce. So they got to try to make do and just not murder each other because they're trapped in the same room with each other for the next day. But for however long the Deshawn Watson contracts pandemic left. Deshawn Watson's contract is a pandemic is what it is. It's a pandemic. And so without getting into the nerdy details of what Cleveland and Deshawn agreed to, none of the overall money changes, he's still getting his 92 million that he's guaranteed. Not a penny more, not a penny less. They just kind of spread it out differently. Texans caps sent me a long summary of what it all means and basically means they're going to be together for another couple of years because it's impossible for a team to take as big a cap hit as the Browns would take to get rid of him. But when the time does come to move on, unless he plays well in 2025 or 2026, maybe he does. Maybe he gets right. Who the hell knows? But if it's all going the direction we anticipate it's going, the eventual, the eventual release of Deshawn Watson while painful can be at least spread out with some June 1st kind of stuff and things like that when 2027 rolls around. This is the worst contract in the history of team sports. It's so bad and it handled it so bad by jamming so much of it into the future. The Broncos given all that money to Russell Wilson was weird and it was bad, but they could recover from it. Whereas this one, right, right. Yeah. Well, there, I mean, from the financial side, they're still suffering the ramifications of it, but still they could, they were able to move on within a couple of years. They're winning games. Yeah. Right where this is just, it's, it's impossible because it was all guaranteed. It was, it was a bold move and it just blew up in their faces spectacularly plus it was a bold move for now. We'll see. You never know. You never know. I'm not Sean. I'm not going to be apart. I'm not going to be sitting here and acting like nope. Deshawn Watson's all washed up. No chance. And then the Texans play them next year. Right. I got no, no. I got no taste for that. No, it's for 350. I'm with you. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Somewhere. Yeah, there's kids. It's like Darth Vader. There's good in him still. So D'Amico's meeting with the media today at 1230, I believe, he's going to get asked about CJ playing in this game. What do you think the answer is? Do you think? Oh, he's going to hold it close to his best enough to say anything. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're going to be, they have given the dirty eye to Aaron Wilson, waiting for asking questions, waiting to see it for breaking the news, just waiting to see until he breaks the news or whatever that, uh, yeah. I know this one, maybe they won't play it super close to the vest, just because it's, you don't really gain anything from winning or losing this game. So they might for CJ's sake, if, if CJ doesn't play in this game, I'm guessing he's going to have to be talked into it. And I saw this clip of Ryan Fitzpatrick this weekend and I couldn't, I tried to go back and find it this morning. I couldn't, but he was on Andrew Whitworth's podcast and Fitzpatrick was talking about a time where he had tried to play through a rib injury and he just didn't want to come off the field. He felt he owed it to the team and it was a responsibility to play. And he said in hindsight, he realized, all right, at that point I was hurting the team. And I like, it sounds like a weird thing to say, but I kind of hope CJ is really banged up right now because that is an explanation, at least a partial explanation for how bad he was the other night and that it's the best thing for the team for him to get his healthy as possible. So if they go out there and he says it today, it just like CJ can be a piece with it, not have to worry about it, not have to lie to the media about it, just, just roll into this whole week, making Davis Mills the guy. Yep. We'll see. 1215, by the way, 1215 is to make a Ryan's today. I'm sure you'll hear it, at least portions of it right here during in the loop on Sports Radio 610. Seth, we got to hand it over to John and Mark antibodies to you, my friend antibodies to you as well. And I hope you don't get divorced during the next pandemic. I should not, but I think I'm in good shape, especially after Christmas. I think I'm doing good. Good. Thank you. Expander. All right. We are done. We are out of time. Thanks to Jordan for producing today. Seth will see you tomorrow at six a.m. John Harris and Mark Vandermeer. They're up next. It's a Texans Monday here on Sports Radio 610. See you tomorrow, everybody. Is your team at work feeling a little disconnected? Maybe the workflow is not flowing. Try Confluence by Atlassian. Confluence is the connected workspace where teams can create, organize, and deliver work like never before. In Confluence, teams can whiteboard their vision for any project, easily create or access the relevant pages and resources they need, and discover important contexts they might not even know they need. Plus, AI helps teams jumpstart brainstorms, organize information, and connect workflows. So teams can move efficiently and create alignment with ease. In fact, with Confluence, Teams can see 5.2% average boost in productivity in one year. 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