Saskatchewan Survivor's Guide
Saskatchewan Survivors' Guide: Ep. 125
(upbeat music) - You found a copy of a Saskatchewan survivors guide with Tammy Robert and Paul Deshaen. (upbeat music) - Hey Tammy. - Hey Paul, how's it going? - It's good. How's your post tall today period? - You know, it's pretty quiet for me, so I'm fine. It's always nice to have that downtime where like you literally can't do anything else. Nobody can even force you to go to the grocery store or anything else, but I'm kind of ready for it to be over. I don't like this period of time of nothingness between Christmas and New Year's, especially when you're trying to get things done. I mean, I have things on the go and they're just kind of on pause and I hate that. - Not me, man, not me. I've got peanut butter balls to eat and novels to read. I am content as they come. - I've got peanut butter balls to eat, oh my God. Okay, what book are you reading? - The Lies of Lachlomora, it's phenomenal. I've read it before, but this is the season of rereading. - Okay, well, that is luxury. What are you reading? - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - Well, that's fantastic. So what do you want to talk about today? - Well, you know, there was something that came up, came up actually just before Christmas and it was in the newspaper, yet more Dribs and Dribs of information coming out about Scott Mo and his decision to target the children of a colleague of another MLA on the NDP side, target that person, well, Jared Clark's children and decide to like blow everything up with an announcement that he was gonna force people to use. The locker rooms that he Scott Mo decided. And we've heard more about that. So maybe you can tell us, give us a pre-see of what happened. - So this was, we talked about this, we just touched on this, I think in the last podcast, but it was Caulaback's year-end interview with the Canadian press and Jeremy Symes, but it led with the Canadian press reporter led with this issue of Scott Mo breaking this commitment, she says was made to herself, to Carla Beck, about not targeting the families of candidates during the campaign. So I'll just read here, it says in a recent interview with the Canadian press, I'm reading off CBC website, Beck said she and Premier Scott Mo had promised one another they would keep families out of partisan attacks. It was a step too far when the children of an NDP candidate were tied to a Saskatchewan party campaign promise over, campaign promise over change rooms. No shit, Carla. And then she says, this is a quote, the Premier and I don't have a lot of time to speak, but we do on occasion often speak about families comma, the need to have vigorous debate. I don't know what that means, but then she says there's, are lines that we shouldn't cross, correct? One of those lines that we've discussed is around not bringing families into this. She says it's a commitment I expected it to honor. It's a commitment that people in the province would understand is necessary. And this is where I say, wait a minute, this isn't a thing, Carla, what are you talking about? The idea that the- - So what are you saying, Timmy, that we should be targeting children? - Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. No, I'm saying that the idea that in history, Saskatchewan Premiers and their counterparts or their opposition leaders have sat down and sketched out the bare minimum of civility in respect to the upcoming RIT period is not a thing. That's not, I can tell you categorically, unequivocally right now that this meeting did not have it in 2020. And I dare say, Bradwell and Cam Broton did not have it in 2016. So I don't know what she's talking about, but okay, let's just start with the premise that she and Scott Moll literally sat, like I'm trying to wrap my head around why you would even have that conversation with Scott Moll, why you would agree to protect him on anything? And if so- - All you feel is the need. Why you feel the need to have this conversation with your opposition, yeah. - That's exactly right. Like of course, the bare minimum of civility has always been implied in our elections. Like we saw some of the most rock bottom behavior we've ever seen out of Saskatchewan political figures in this past 2024 RIT period. Okay, so then that which takes me to the next point. So she did have this conversation and he broke spectacularly this promise that he made to her. Does she not think we kind of couldn't, with me needed to know about that during the RIT period? - Right. - You know, I'm trying, honestly, I'm trying not to pile on Carla Beck. I am trying. I promise I say this every time we record now. But what are you, what is this shit? You know, if she was trying to bring this back up in her year end interview, this was a really stupid way to do it. And I don't know what she was planning on accomplishing with this. She did not back up Jared Clark when he demanded an apology, rightly so, for himself and his family a few months because that was in November. This is why this came up. I don't know if she was asked about it or if she brought it up on her own but it's what the Canadian press chose to lead their year end story with. And I don't think it makes Scott Mo look nearly as bad as Carla Beck and I'd like to know what she was protecting on her side. Like what could possibly, was that it? Was that the deal? Don't go after my MLA, my colleagues, trans kids. Like if you had to say that out loud, Carla, that's a problem. Like God. - The article is unclear. Like I can't tell if this meant, oh, we don't very often have a chance to have a sit down conversation. But on this, I booked into his calendar and we met in the lounge and we discussed this topic. Or if it was in passing one day in the hallway. I was like, oh, hey, Scott, no attacking kids. And he was like thumbs up. - But then what was his, what does he agree to do? Not attack who? - Well, we just don't know, right? - What does the NDP know then? That we're supposed that we don't know now, right? Like what did the NDP agree? What did Carla Beck agree to hide for Scott Mo and his family or families? And let's be very clear that again, there's civility and then there's politics. And when you've got a bunch of clowns like Jeremy Cockrell using his family business to make money, to get $2,000 bonuses, that's a problem and that's a family issue. When you have, you know, these MLAs that are over and over and over again, we're seeing their families benefit. And what about the whole like SaaS party MLA caught in a human trafficking sting? You know, I don't know where family fits into that picture from Ryan Domtar. I mean, my point is, is that family issues are absolutely at the heart of who we are. And it's very much an issue with the SaaS party there their connectivity and who they're connected to. I just, I can't imagine other than saying no shit, like what the purpose of this conversation would have been, what she felt compelled to protect the SaaS party on. That is even morally equivalent to this. - We know that the NDP has a rule that you do not bring up Scott Mo's incident in 1997, after a series of DUIs where he killed a woman with his car. Isn't that nice, isn't that civil? Isn't that wonderfully pleasant that they would do that for Scott Mo, they won't bring up his DUIs and they won't bring up the fact that he killed a woman in 1997 because he said, gosh, I'm sorry, after dodging making an apology for decades. Also, what happened with that car in BC? So Scott Mo's car was running the custody impounded because of the DUI incident and the NDP has not told us what they know about that incident. Scott Mo said this is a private family matter and the NDP respected that. So it seems like this civility thing is going in one direction to the point of it actually hiding the bad behavior, the Saskatchewan party's bad behavior and their unfitness to govern. But when it's convenient for Scott Mo to burn everything down, if he wants to throw some kids, the kids of one of his colleagues on the fire, that's okay, and you know what? In the interests of civility, we won't bring it up during the election. - We won't even mention that you broke the promise. - It's asthma. - It's fucking ridiculous. - It is fucking ridiculous. - And I mean, maybe there's more to it. Maybe there is, maybe there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why the MDT has taken it. - Well, that's what it is. This woman has better media training at this point to do a year-end interview without dropping shit like this and not expecting it to be the lead because it is for a reason. I mean, she's elevated the story again, now making a ridiculous claim that I suspect there was no meeting. I suspect what she's trying to say is that it's the expectation because there is a, nobody has ever had to articulate this before. And I can see where she could say, well, maybe I figured I had to because he's a pig, in which case I had a respecter. But like, let's get some explanation here because this doesn't make sense, Carla, that you're claiming that you had this reciprocal bat padding meeting or whatever. I keep, that's what I'm saying. But you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't understand why she'd admit to this. I don't understand what purpose it could have possibly served. And I think we need more information than we're not gonna get it. - Hey, just to expand on this issue on this topic, do you have a minute and 35 seconds? - Yes, I do. - Okay, I have not watched the Scott Mose clarification of the change room policy that he did in his sit down with Adam Hunter. So I thought we could listen to that. - Oh, Kim, yes, please. - Here we go. It also is a lost on me, you know, the conversations that myself and MLAs and candidates had as to how we need to expand the scope of which we are having discussions with Saskatchewan people on delivering, you know, very specific outcomes specifically in what we heard was in that healthcare and education space, which was a lot of discussion in the lead up to the election. And so, you know, some of the things in the speech from the throne that we committed to, I think, are things that, you know, looking back, we should have had a little more open discussion and in the lead up to the campaign as government and as a party. There was a bit made about the change room policy that that was something that you sort of backed away from fall in most election. Why was that something that you were at one point saying, "We need to do this." And then later, we're gonna maybe stick that with the school divisions. - Yeah, I was answering questions from the media on a day and I, the first order of business comment that I had indicated is, it isn't. First order of business is go see the lieutenant governor form of government, obviously select the cabinet, put together a legislative agenda, deliver on your platform. The, that being said, we're working right now with the school divisions across the province all 27. I'm to ensure that there are policies in place that are supportive of every student in every classroom, in every school, in every community across this province. And that is a, that's a more collaborative approach. And I think it's an approach that you'll see will come to a, to a very strong outcome that supports, you know, all students in our schools, and that needs to be the goal. (bell chimes) - There you have it, your premier. - I can't even stand the sound of his voice. Honestly, the stupidity of that word salad. - Longest minute 35 of my week, yeah. - Basically, what he's saying is, I misspoke without, I guess without saying that. I don't even know. - At any point during the election, if it was a misspeak, he could have walked that back. He could have, he could have taken this more collaborative, compassionate stance at any point during the election after he said that, and he chose not to. - So that's where I want to point out, again, it was a minute 35. And that's where CBC cut off the clip. And Adam Hunter is a very, very, very good reporter and a very good political reporter. And we're lucky that he's still here and all, you know, for everybody and everything that I trash, Adam Hunter is not one of them. He's a standout, excellent reporter. - I totally like that. - No, if he asked a follow-up question, because that word salad made no sense. And the question is, okay, when did you change your mind on this and why? When did you, why was this a top priority one day? You're the premier of the province. You should know your priorities, motherfucker, but, and I guess he's not gonna say that last bit, but you should know your priorities. What does it tell us that you're telling us you didn't know them, you didn't understand them, and you communicated them ineffectively, like just a follow-up question for the love of God. But I have to assume there wasn't one or they would have included it. - Yeah, except, you know, there are different rules with these year-end sort of like summation things. These are supposed to be, you put a Christmas tree in the background of an interview, and, you know, the eggnog is flowing, and all of a sudden, like, the questions are gonna be softer. These are supposed to be wrap-up questions on a year of coverage. I think this was a chance in the spirit of giving in the holidays to give-- - This, this, we gave stuff a whole free pass. - We gave stuff a free pass, yeah. - He's never had one of those before, so he must have been super grateful. Like, what is this? He's giving me a free pass. - Oh my God! So it all makes sense now. Why Scott Mo is such a fan of fossil fuels, specifically why he's doing all this carbon capture to keep the coal industry alive, it's because it's all he knows 'cause that's all he ever gets in his stocking. - Oh, yes, a personal relationship with coal. - Exactly. - Speaking of which, did you-- - He's like, well, this isn't this what you're supposed to get for Christmas. Isn't this what Santa loves you? That's when you get coal. - The thing is, you know Scott Mo's got, had nothing but race cars under his Christmas tree his entire fucking life because-- - Oh yeah, from his entire-- - Well, Pawn has failed upwards his whole life. You know, he's had the best Christmases ever, bankrupt or not. Anyway. (upbeat music) - Hello, this is Editing Paul interrupting the podcast. After we recorded all of this, I went and checked the full interview, which is posted on the CBC Saskatchewan website and O-E of Little Faith. Adam Hunter did ask a follow-up question. So I'm gonna play that now along with Scott Mo's reply. - The member for a wall shakers was critical of you thinking that, you know, that policy reflected on his children. What was your reaction to his comments? It's a policy, it's not about people and we shouldn't be discussing people. This is a policy that yes has an impact on people. But that impact needs to be one of support. ♪ All the teachers in the schools ♪ ♪ I cry and think it's got no ♪ - But while we're talking about Scott Mo's Christmas messages. - For sure. - Let's all have that link that I sent you. - Which one? - It should be in your, the one Christmas message from 2018. Scott Mo's Christmas message from 2018. Should be in the-- - Yes, I just, yeah, I'm-- - Have you ever listened to that or played that or heard that? Do you remember it? - This does not look familiar, oh my God. - Okay, okay, so we don't have to listen to the whole thing. We just have to listen to the first like minute 20 and then if you want to cut it down and edit, but there's like, you'll know when to cut it off because I will start like screaming. (electronic music) (soft piano music) - Roughly 2,000 years ago, a group of people were out on the night shift, somewhere in the countryside. It was likely the same group of people who worked the day shift. There was no limit to the hours they put in and there was no overtime pay either. Nobody in charge cared about their stress level or their benefits because they were shepherds and shepherds were at the bottom of the Judean social ladder. The fact that those lowly shepherds were the first ones to hear the Christmas message was unexpected, but someone thought they were worthy. Someone was unconcerned about their social status and maybe someone did it on purpose. It's part of the Christmas story that shows us year after year that everyone deserves to hear a message of love, no matter their station in life. Those shepherds must have been filled with total fear and awe. Imagine you're out in the pasture, probably half asleep, nothing around you, but the nighttime and the smell of sheep. And suddenly the sky lights up and angels. Yes, angels are singing glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, the will toward men. The fragile little baby in this Christmas story comes to bring us peace and love and reminds us every year to spread his love to those around us. Christmas is a time of joy. - Oh, wow. Do you remember that? - No, I didn't. - What? - That was friggin' a way. - The hell was the beginning about? About least nobody where everybody was fine. They were working overtime. They were working all the time. Nobody complained. - That's because a lot of them were slaves. - Oh, and then when you read the print version, there was a print version of that. When he's talking about the social status of the slaves or of the shepherds. - Shepherds, yeah. - When he's going off about somebody knowing that the sum is capitalized. So I'm thinking he's saying that Jesus didn't care about the slave's social status. I'm thinking that's what that was supposed to mean. - Yeah, oh yeah, 100%. - And it made me wonder what Jesus would think about, you know, boys who just don't like wearing blue. - Yeah. - Yeah, but, you know. - That was-- - I don't know, man, like-- - That was the weirdest shit. - That was basically setting people up to believe that unions are fundamentally-- - Yes, I remember at the time, like, like he was glorifying, he opened it by glorifying slave labor, I think, and then claiming that Jesus glorified that by, like, it made, it was, that was fucked up. And the rest of it is absolutely no better, but the smell of sheep is the line that, who thinks, I get what they were trying to do, I guess, put us in the moment or something, but nobody thinks about the nativity and the smell of sheep. So anyway, that was terrible. We should also talk about the story that CKOM ran about the "security scare" at the Las Vegas airport. Have you heard this one? - Oh, you sent it to me, yeah. - Yeah, Lorna, Lorna '68, and her hubby, and a bunch of others went on the direct, I didn't even know we had this actually, the direct WestJet flight from Regina to Vegas, but when they landed, they were delayed and then were finally let off. So they claimed that when they got out, a flight attendant directed them, they didn't know where they were going, the doors were locked, and she says, "This is Lorna now quoted in this story." She says, "We had nowhere to go." We went back and someone else was trying other doors along the way for people that, you know, get on the plane, so, (laughing) and one was open. So we went out that way. So they went into departures, this is what they, they completely bypassed customs, found an open door, claimed because they were lost allegedly, and just started trying on locked doors. There's 15 of them, I don't know who they are, but there's 15 Saskatchewan passengers running around the WestJet airport, lost, or sorry, the WestJet terminal at the Vegas airport loss, and so she says, "When they get out this door, "they just figured they'd go, quote, back around "into the airport to do customs. "Only someone from Saskatchewan "would legitimately think in an international airport "that they could just go back around." - Yeah. - So she says, "We knew we needed to go through customs, "but we didn't know how." And there was no one to ask, and she's going off on WestJet, right? She says, "Their group of 15 couldn't find "your lad, blah, blah, blah." And so they went to the area to exit from customs, because they've come back around now, but they've not done any of it. So this is her quoting. She goes, "The border security told us "this is a really big deal. "We shouldn't have done that. "And now we have illegally crossed into the United States. "I was really afraid. "I thought I was going to go to jail. "We all thought we were going to go." Then she says, "The border security "took her passport, requested everyone else's." She says, "We decided we'd better cooperate "and not say anything." Anyway, she says, "Then they decided "we all had to get into a single file "and follow one officer. "We didn't know where we were going, "as if they were like blank, like blindfolded, "and holding hands. "No, they're just following a security officer." She says, "We asked." And he just said, "Come with me." So we walked for a while into some back rooms, and he told us to stop. This is a news story, okay? This is her quote. She told us to stop. So we stopped and stood there, and then he said, "Okay, start walking again." Eventually, he had us line up again, gave us back our passports, and told us to go to customs, and then we were directed to where luggage was. The end. Let me get this straight, honey. You are 68 years old. There's 50 of you. You are wandering around a terminal. You claim you don't know how to get out of, so you start trying to unmarked doors and just go through one. You recognize that you've done something bad and a border agent very kindly and gently reprimands you and takes you back and deposits you to where you were supposed to be, even though you did just enter the United States illegally. At a time when the border crisis is kind of a thing, and then you're mad, and you call a newsroom in Saskatchewan to tell us that you actually did this? She says, "I guess we could have just walked right out of the airport and could have entered the US without ever going through customs." Yeah, and you'd never go to the US again. That's true. I could see why border security thought it was a big concern, Lorna said. I don't know, Lorna. I don't give a shit. But this is the quintessential Saskatchewan traveler, entitled playing dumb when it's really fucking convenient. If you don't know how to handle yourself in an international airport, you shouldn't be in one alone, grandma. But 15 people, like how did, I want to know how 15 people found themselves out in the terminal bypassing customs from Saskatchewan. Don't get into any trouble at all and call it them. Do you know how much this speaks to on this, just in respect to who we are and what we understand about the world? And the judgment of a newsroom then to go, "Yeah, you know what? People need to know about this. This is a big deal and this is clearly WestJet's fault." Like, I can blame WestJet. I hate WestJet right now, like everybody else. But if I'm, this was not WestJet's fault. Like, I just, the story annoys me, and that's it. - Yeah, this goes back to last episode when we talked about the Jerry McCockrell incident where, you know, his ethics violation was deemed, you know, he violated ethics, but he didn't do it on purpose. So it's okay. And, you know, these are a bunch of people who entered the United States illegally during, as you said, a border crisis. And it just kind of gets treated as whoopsie and it's, you know, it's kind of like a holiday story in the news and, "Oh, weren't they horribly mistreated?" And it's like, yeah, you can say that because they're white and they can like start trying doors to get out of the airport because they're white, nobody who's from Iran, nobody who's from India or anybody who's brown would start trying random doors in the airport because they feel entitled to just get out the quickest way possible, because they know that if they had done that, they-- - Fuck it, I'll go in this way. - You can fail or dead right now. If they had been not white and this had happened, this would be something Fox News would be all over, right? - Oh, Canada is sending, the Canadian terrorists are crossing the border illegally in Las Vegas. We need to invade Canada right away. This could have been an international incident, but it's a whoopsie. - And it's a whoopsie because of who they are. And again, I just wanna, let's go back to what you said. In 2024, nobody, nobody flying alone. And so I assume that's anyone from like 12 to 85, whatever. Nobody's trying doors in an airport. - Yeah. - Highly unrecommended. And nevermind going through them. Like, oh, well, just go this way and go back around. Like, nobody does that. And it just speaks to, again, like this ignorance about the world and how it works and how it should treat us and how it should literally just open doors for us when we're outside of Saskatchewan. And like, this isn't how the world works. And then to actually feel angry enough after all of that to call a newsroom. Like, I'm trying to, and okay, she's 68, so okay. - She lived through 9/11 like the rest of us. She knows when airport-- - Cold enough to know better, but let's just say she's, you know, whatever. So she calls this newsroom. Someone at the newsroom had to decide to put a reporter on that story instead of everything else that's going on. And it's just, I don't know, I don't get it. I don't, on the news front, have you had, you probably haven't had a chance. Have you had a chance to look at what I published yesterday on India and Canada? - Did you need your stuff? I just didn't-- - No, it's a long one and it was just published last night and it's Christmas. So I don't really expect you to do that. - Liza Lachlamora is very sick, so I've been very busy. - But I wanna add some context because we talked about this on the last podcast and it got a lot of feedback from me anyway offline. There's a lot of interest in this issue and it seems like people, you know, they're getting it. Like there is something wrong. And so I just wanna go through the red flags that I've now published because some of them we didn't talk about. So what I did in this piece that I published yesterday was I went through the red flags of Saskatchewan's relationship with India, under Stephen, under, sorry, under Scott Mull, which is actually under Stephen Harper. And then I looked at Canada's relationship with India, which you can't understand, and I think I knew this, but you can't understand it unless you go all the way back to Air India in 1985. So I wanna talk about that quickly because it's a very easy story to encapsulate and then it makes what's happening now a lot more sense. It makes it make more sense. So in 1985, 747 with 329 people, I think, on board, took off from Toronto, touchdown in Montreal, as you often do when you're off to London, where it was then due to move on, to go on to Mumbai, I believe, I think it was Bombay, maybe still at that time. Anyway, so this plane, full of Canadians, almost everyone on board was Canadian, but the vast majority were of Indian descent, so they were brown. And there was a suitcase, there was a bomb in the suitcase, blew up right over the coast of Ireland. They were just about to go over. Anyone who's flown to London, like that's a really cool part of the flight, so it kind of makes me feel sick. But anyway, that's where the plane blew up. They were only able to pull 131 bodies out of the North Atlantic. And Canada really didn't care. In fact, Brian Mulroney sent condolences to the Prime Minister of India, even though there were 26 Indian nationals on the flight, and again, there was like 280 Canadian citizens. So it just had this real level of detachment with the public. So why did that plane blow up? Well, in India, this goes back to 1947, when the Brits fucked off, and they did something called Partition, which essentially split India into North and South, and North, which was the Punjab State and part of Pakistan, is where there was a Sikh Empire, basically. That's where that religion started in the 1500s, and that was where the Sikh majority in that region lived. And the Brits cut it in half, and basically said Hindus go south, Muslims go north, like into Pakistan, and that was supposed to be the end of it. Well, guess how that worked out. So Sikhs in India are like 2%. They make up less than 2% of the population, and they are mistreated. They feel mistreated because they are mistreated. This is another separate, separatist issue. They want to Sikhs in these Sikhs want to separate, and they want to create a homeland in North India called Pakistan. So in 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, who was a psycho, she ordered a raid on a Sikh temple to kill a bunch of separatists. So she's a Hindu, right? And so that's in 1984, and three months later, her own bodyguards who are Sikhs, like she should have maybe seen this coming, they kill her. And like, it's just chaos. So 1985, we find out 20, 25 years later, what we always knew, which was that it was a Palestine separatist in Vancouver, who actually got the bomb onto the plane. And it was a series. There was actually a second bomb that went off that day as well in Tokyo that killed a couple of people. That was also an air in, it was destined for another air in the flight. So there were supposed to be two that went down that day. That flight in 1985, so again, that was more retaliation for Indira Gandhi attacking Sikhs in 1984. So once that happens in Canada, it took like 20 years for us to get it sorted out. Sises, the RCMP, imagine this, they fucked it up ridiculously, and it wasn't really, I think it was until 2003 that someone, it was a British national that lived in BC, he was finally convicted of manslaughter, and he released in 2016, so he's out and about in Canada now. There was a public inquiry established in 2006, so not long after that one verdict. There were a couple other people charged, but they weren't convicted. So there was an inquiry, and then a report released in 2010 that said, now Stephen Harper's Prime Minister, that said the Canadian government had fucked it up. So, great. In the meantime, Canada's relationship with India is garbage, because India's pissed off about all this, like for 20 years, there's hardly any relationship. Now, there's a lot of other things going on in India that I can't even comprehend, but it wasn't a great relationship. So once this report comes out, Stephen Harper issues a public apology, and I remember this, this was in 2010, he apologized to the families for the treatment of basically, basically what happened afterwards, which was fair enough. And then four days after that in 2010, the then Indian Prime Minister Singh comes to Toronto, and this is hugely significant. He's there for the G20, which is multilateral, but he has a bunch of meetings one-on-one with Stephen Harper. And later in a news story, years later, we learned that the very first issue they discussed in that visit was the area into India bombing. The second thing Stephen Harper and the Indian Prime Minister discussed in that 2010 meeting was "civil nuclear cooperation." And that marked a 180-degree turn in Canada's relationship with India. So in other words, back in 2010, Stephen Harper was pitching Canadian uranium to India. Narendra Modi is the Prime Minister of India. Today was elected in 2014. He scooted to Canada within six months, and he and Harper were besties, and they still are. They bonded for two days, including over a half a billion-dollar chemical agreement. That was announced of seven million pounds of uranium for India. So this relationship between Stephen Harper, Saskatchewan, and Modi goes back to 2010. 2015 comes around, obviously, Harper's punted, and nothing's really going on. Mo was elected in 2018, and he's immediately enamored with India, and he's talking about it, and he hires Stephen Harper in 2019. And when you look at the news release now, it's obvious it was for India. It's always been for India, and it was only ever for India. So we've had Stephen Harper now on Retainer with India for six years, representing us. Enter this dude. His last name is Nijar. First name is Hearteep. I think Hearteep Nijar. He is a really interesting mixed-legacy character who immigrated to Canada in the '90s. He was a Sikh in Punjab, and he came here. India said he was a terrorist. He was hosted by the UN Human Rights Council in 2013 to recognize anti-seek violence as genocide. So he's got a really mixed-legacy. It wasn't the greatest guy, it wasn't the worst guy, I don't know. But he became a Canadian citizen to be clear under Stephen Harper in 2015. In 2019, he became leader of the Sikh temple that he was eventually assassinated in in June of 2023. Just a few days before that, Sises had warned him that they knew that there was a professional assassin out for him. And three months after that, Justin Trudeau stood up and said, "We know that the government of India knew about at least the killing of this assassination." And that's a problem, like, whether people understand it or not, you cannot work with a foreign country that is murdering people in your country. It doesn't matter who they are. He's a Canadian citizen. And there is no world in which India should be coordinating murders in Canada, okay? Like, I can't believe how many people I've had to explain that to you since our last podcast. But anyway, it was his murder in 2023 that kicked this latest shitstorm off. And again, he was a Calistan separatist. So this is all about, and he was in fact, this guy that was murdered was friends with the guys that were acquitted in the area of India bombing. The Sikh community in Canada is very connected. It's just like reminds me of me as a Jehovah's Witness in the '90s. Like, I think the numbers are similar 'cause there was a lot of us in the '90s. And it's like, even if you're spread across Canada, you know the fat, like there's always prominent families. There's always names you know, like you know each other because you were in this tight-knit religion. So I kind of get it, like I kind of understand why this is an issue across Canada, I guess is my point there. But India, of course, flipped out, and this is all kicked off since then. India denies it, hates Justin Trudeau. And this has been a whole thing for, with India and Justin Trudeau since '20, whatever, '18, when he wore his costumes and whatever. So what I need people to understand is that when we go back to Saskatchewan's relationship with India, A, it doesn't exist. There is no such thing as a bilateral relationship between Saskatchewan and India, that's fucking absurd. And it's a premise that is promoted, especially by Jeremy Harrison. And he actually uses the term bilateral relationship. That is not a thing, like he is nuts. That is a false narrative that doesn't exist. It's like saying he's, we have a bilateral relationship with Mars, it's not a thing. But anyway, they've been using this to stoke division. And I think it's fascinating that Jeremy Harrison, four days I learned, before Justin Trudeau stood up in the House of Commons and said what he had to say about India being involved in that murder, four days before Scott Mo posts this letter on the internet. But it's attributed to Jeremy Harrison in which they're accusing Trudeau, it's over some kind of trade talks, putting your own quote unquote domestic political interests. What does that mean? Canadian interests, like your government has once again put its own domestic political interests ahead of the national economic interests. I don't know what that means, but anyway, I guess he's saying political interests ahead of the national economic interests. And then he says, brings up Western Canadian produced commodities and then brings up the Prime Minister's trip to India, which was by all means disasters in 2018. And I just can't figure out why they did this. Like why did they feel compelled four days before this thing blew up? And like Stephen Harper is involved and you can be fucking sure he knows exactly what's going on in Modi's government. They're probably on speed, like they probably text each other. Like, so did Jeremy Harrison, is this like, this feels like foreign interference at that point? And then this is the one that really blew my mind. That's the time when he's actually me who tweeted about it, but the media for once picked it up. The SaaS party had removed the Canadian flags from its media room around this time. Meaning, Scotland was only doing media events in front of two Saskatchewan flags. The big gaps where the Canadian flags were gone. And apparently these had been removed months earlier. This takes on a whole new meaning to me. At the time, the excuse was bullshit. It was obviously bullshit. He kind of did his usual through it and the flags returned. Now I have serious questions about why those flags were gone. Who were they trying to send a message to? Like at this point, it really, really, really feels wrong. What's been going on between Mo Harrison, Harper, and India? They've been meeting with cabinet ministers who've been ID'd as part of this assassination plot. They've released a news release in May, bragging again about this bilateral relationship with India because we got this guy back into the country. Do we know what we're fucking with here? Because this is the reason that Saskatchewan's official who runs our office in India was pulled out of India, was because Modi threatened to remove diplomatic immunity from Canadian officials in India, which is internationally illegal. There's a Vienna Convention on Diplomacy which guarantees the immunity and which is the safety so that these people cannot be used as political pawns. Modi out loud said he was gonna pull the pin on that. So Canada can't retaliate on that. And I mean, I suppose our guy could have stayed. And now I'm kind of thinking, why the fuck didn't we let him stay? I don't want to pay to pull this idiot in and out of India all the time. So that's why we pulled him out. It wasn't because it was in his best interest to get out of there. But for some reason, we sent him back when nobody else goes back. 41 Canadian officials, far more important than this dumbass. I don't know who he is, but he works in our office in New Delhi apparently. And 41 Canadian officials, far more important, don't return to India, but the government of Saskatchewan is issuing a news release saying that solely because of their relationship with India, this accreditation is being granted, then he says, I want to thank the government of India for their partnership. What is going on? So I just, I want to review these red flags one more time, but I should stop talking now. - Keep going, you're on a roll. - This brings us to the point we are now because I think I'm kind of caught up with our listeners and my audience in the writing, but I'm gonna review now the red flags that we've discussed on the show between the South Party, Canada and India in the last two episodes. So the first one is that Nehendra Modi is well on his way to becoming a dictator. He is talking about India not even having another election, sort of like Donald Trump, and he has jailed his opponent. He's propped up by and always has been by Stephen Harper. And he, Stephen Harper propped him up for the last year he was prime minister. Stephen Harper has been retained by Scott Mosin's 2019, seemingly solely for India file. Mohan Harper continued to travel to India unabatedly, despite real threats, international threats to Canadian citizen safety. Scott Mohan, Jeremy Harrison are cruising through the airport like fuck yeah, what is going on? This is a drama and bloodshed that goes back 40 years, but Mohan, Harper, Harrison, they've met with Modi's cabinet ministers. Again, some who've been accused of being behind this assassination. Harrison attempted to, this is a fact, Jeremy Harrison attempted to undermine the Canadian prime minister on India four days before that prime minister announced the investigation into the government of India's involvement in the murder of a Canadian citizen. Why did Jeremy Harrison do that? Who told him to do that? What was the timing about? This is serious around the same time. We learned that the Saskatchewan government has removed Canada's flag from our legislature. And today it appears that the government of Saskatchewan's sole employee is the only Canadian diplomat allowed in India. Oh, and the SaaS party's single biggest donation since 2016 is $50,000 from a company in India. Like are we fucking stupid here? What the fuck? (upbeat music) ♪ Fuck God, Mo, fuck God, Mo, fuck God ♪ You've been listening to the Saskatchewan survivors guide. Our thanks to announcer Matty Vee, and thanks also to the FSN Action Committee for the use of their music. Find this track at FSMActionCommittee.bancamp.com. Scott Mofe, Scott Mofe, Scott Mofe, Scott Mofe, Scott Mofe.