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So first I want to welcome to the stage Ryder Lee, he's been on the show before. What's up man? Thanks again for being here tonight. What's up dude, I'm excited to be here my friend, I got my kick him in the cabol sunglasses going on, I can only kick him in the cabols with these sunglasses on and we're in a once in a lifetime show here today with my good friend Shane and you. So I'm very much looking forward to it. Thank you man. And I got Mr. Shane Sodor. He has not been on my show, but I have been on his and welcome to your first time here man. How's it going? Absolutely spectacularly. If that's a real word, it's not is now, but it's just created a day. I'm telling you man. So all right guys, it's a pleasure to have you here. Let's dive right into this. I mean, so both of you guys are very similar to me. You know, you have been observing this situation for quite some time and you've seen a lot of weirdness start to emerge from this, especially on the side of the conspiracy and the truth or community. But to me, it seems like, you know, at a time we had, at least in my eyes, we had somewhat before 2020, what I would call a somewhat unified, somewhat credible community at that point. I mean, there were somewhat people trying to do the right things, but you know, of course we had things here and there, but then it seems like after 2020 or even potentially before, we had a lot of weird things get thrown into the mix and the water's muddied, it seems to be. So let's start off with writer, writer. What do you think is going on, man? Why do you think the deterioration of the conspiracy slash truth or community has become what it is? And why do you think it's almost kind of assimilated itself into almost a mainstream media kind of category at this point? Well, it's because we are the media now, like mainstream media has failed. It is not pulling in the numbers that it used to pull in. And now we are the media and it's almost exactly like what's happening with regular TV as well. You know, with all the streaming services and stuff, like it used to be regular TV. You sit down and you watch it at a specific time. If you don't watch it at a specific time, you're not able to see it anymore or you have to wait a while to see it. And what they did is they took for a really cheap price. They were like, okay, well, 699, you can get Netflix, you know, that's where the baseline Netflix started out was 699 around that area because I remember when I first got it when it first came out. And now they've switched that, they've turned that into now you have to pay more to get that premium Netflix, but they've given you a base tier. And the base tier is with ads, right, and what is regular TV, regular TV made money because of the ads, made money because of everything that could be promoted on that TV show on the news, on all of those watching a movie on regular TV. And now for the same price that you were getting before, now you get the ad version of it. And that's how they've all done. That's how like Peacock is, it's how Hulu is. That's how Netflix is. That's how HBO is. You get the low tier. You can pay the same amount that it was when it first started, but now you're going to get bombarded with freaking stupid pharmaceutical ads, cancer ads, HPV, freaking all these ridiculous pharmaceutical things that have absolutely nothing. I've never had any either of you ever watched an ad on TV and then thought, Oh, I immediately need to go ask my doctor about this, you know how at the end of every pharmaceutical commercial would like ask your doctor about Luxa Pro, actually doctor, if this is right for you. Has anybody ever watched an ad and then immediately went and asked their doctor if they can be put on this medication, it's the most ridiculous thing that I've ever heard, like, and I've never watched an ad either where I want to go buy that product. Like no bounty commercial has ever convinced me to buy bounty, not toilet paper, but towel paper, you know, Don dishwashing liquid has never made me want to wash off a freaking bird that's been involved in an oil spill, you know, like Don dishwashing commercials, wash everything besides the dishes, I know you're out. It's almost like I want to say the pharmaceutical. It's like a glorified trap house, the pharmaceutical commercials, man, because I'll always remember the Robin Williams skit where he's like talking about his doctor coming up to me. He's like, Hey, Robin, I got this new shit. I want you to try. Let me let me slide you a sample pack of this and if you really like this, you know, call me and I'll hook you up. It's like it's almost like it's like a glorified trap house when we're talking about that kind of stuff. I mean, or glorified drug dealing, honestly, my opinion. Yeah, that's what it really seems like and I kind of went off on a little tangent there on the media and stuff, but that's really how it is. But when it comes to the community, we've seen this evolving nature of the community. And I was listening back in like the early 2000s and and how far it's gone and you know, let's just make conspiracies interesting again, there's literally not it's a regurgitation after regurgitation, it's old information is being regurgitated for a new group of people. I mean, Shane have talked about this several times on my show and it's it's sern, it's harp, it's tartaria, it's the world's fairs, it's Antarctica, as directed energy weapons, it's like we get these things that pop up like every couple of months, there's some kind of new event that is then related back to one of those five things. And it's just it's it's a constant revolving door of those things and then people will dig up old videos that people have seen and heard a thousand times that's been in this community for a really long time and then repost them as if it's something brand new. Like all the time, I just seen that one guy, I just seen a video earlier today on Facebook of I forget what that guy's name, it was like in 95 or whatever where he was sitting down and like talking about the reptilians. I'm sure Shane Shane, you know what I'm talking about where he's like the octurians came in and it took over the reptilians and then octurians didn't do a good enough job and they had to send in the galactic reinforcements of the plaidians and then the plaidians came in and now the plaidians are in control and the reptilians are really, really, really strong and powerful and it's like a three hour long conversation, but they they just clipped out a little thing of that and then put it online and then acting like it's something like brand new and that's just like a common thing that has just happened over and over again and the degeneration of the content within the community is always related to something that's happened before. It's wild. It seems like it's just consistently being, no, I'm with you, it seems like it's consistently being recycled and and I've noticed this as well that the things that are getting recycled, they're adding like these new nuances like you're saying, try to make them seem new, try to make it seem like it's information that you know a lot of us haven't heard before. On top of that also, man, they're just, you know, I kind of blame TikTok for this. I don't know if I can completely blame TikTok for this 100% but they have, they've been the ones pumping out like the most ridiculous things like, you know, as far as like the most ridiculous like fear of monitoring. I mean, we all talked about what's going to happen for the EMS test that happened back however long ago, how it was going to shoot these neutrinos through you and it was going to, you know, map your body and all the people who got the vaccine, it was going to activate the nanotechnology inside of them and they were all going to be, I know, I know, that's where I kind of, you know, I do, I don't want to place blame on TikTok because I know it's a lot of people in the community but that just seems to be where it's been like focused on that. One thing I want to talk to you about real quick is something that you brought up to me when I was on your show about how the conspiracy community has been infiltrated for quite some time, even before the days of the internet. So why don't you elaborate on that a little bit? Well, without going too much into the weeds because I know that some of your viewers don't know who I am but I've been a whistleblower since I was like 2016, I come from what you guys all call the Illuminati even though that's not the real word for it. And I used to work doing disinformation for them, specifically related to UFOs because they were trying to cover up my lab experimentations and things like that. And then eventually I got a pretty good look at what they were doing for this blossoming. It used to be kind of in, you know, conference halls or basements, some dudes basement or maybe a library or something like that but then we got the internet, we started to get forums and chat rooms and things like that. But back before the internet, even it was already being infiltrated with basically disinformation. So something that the Illuminati did was dump all of the truth to people from going back, you know, 50, 60 years now and allowed researchers to do what they do with it, right? And then steered those people very, very carefully towards curated conclusions. Let's put it that way and then propped up the people who came to the correct conclusions to start what the original alternative community was, which was prior to the internet, right? And then when I started to really look at it was the early days with like, you know, all the early whistleblower interviews and everything, I don't have name channels and stuff like that. But like when it really started in the forums, I was a moderator of a popular one, things like that. And I was all still working for them at the time and reporting back to them on what I was seeing and at that time I used to fight with them a lot because I thought we were, when I say we, the public were smarter than we have turned out to be with all of this information. But, you know, they predicted that this is what would have happened, right? And I can remember talking to researchers back in 2010 about how one of their big plans was to try and criminalize conspiracy theory and really demonize the alternative community as it was because they knew that kind of what writer was just saying, a mainstream alternative community was coming, right? The intellectual dark web people like Joe Rogan, people like us all kind of combined into one thing. They knew that that was coming and so they wanted to make sure that there was so much mud in the water that we were doing exactly what we've been doing, right? Which is creating conspiracy snowballs and conspiracy burritos and never actually going back and looking at the center of that snowball and the foundation of the house that we built on that land and things like that to really find it if any of this stuff was ever true in the first place, right? And you know, I've been saying that for a long time and people have been getting really mad at me but, you know, year after year after year after year, they're just more proof in the result that that's exactly what's going on here. And so since 2020 when the thing happened, we've had this big influx of people waking up, right? Which the community before that, as you said, was sort of unified. We had our problems but we did have a pretty solid community at that point in time. We were all waiting for that, right? We were waiting for the event that was going to wake everybody up and then we were going to help the promise land. We were going to get what we wanted, but what did we do? Well, we made it so that all those people who came into this world ended up stuck in a perpetual rabbit hole that they'll never quite live out of because they've got a handful of truth and a fistful of getting alien probed on Mars and they don't know what Israel so they can kind of just do this and they go right back to where they were, right? Or they end up ditching that cult, the mainstream cult, if you will, and just joining one of the many cults we offer within our community because we have those too. We did a great job of building cults within our community. It was really impressive. It was almost like we were trained to do it or something and that's what I'm trying to say is that we were and now here we are where it was supposed to be the only kind of safe haven from the mainstream clown show and now it's just as much as a clown show, right? We made our job some names of different things that have gone through, like the QAnon thing. I was wondering about that years before it ever happened, like this is going to happen. I don't know what they're going to call it, but everyone's going to love it. It's going to come up on a forum just like this. It's going to see all mysterious and cryptic and everyone's going to buy its nonsense and it's going to be the beginning of the end for us because they're going to end up creating domestic terrorism based on that. And here we are. We have domestic terrorism based on that. But I'm still just some guy who I'm a little bit Chevy Chase today, meaning I'm in a little bit of pain. And so I might be a little bit cranky because they're hitting me with the DEWs to mind control me to tell you these things, right? You're already there for a Shane's been in with a do. He's getting hit with the Mountain Dew cold red, boy. He can't come back from the Mountain Dew cold red. He's getting baja blasted, man. But no, Shane, I think you described it perfectly, man, because yes, you know, we were all talking about the event, like, and we thought that after that event, like it was going to just be a whole new thing and you were absolutely right. You summed it up perfectly. That was our mentality. But boy, were we wrong? And you know, the thing that you brought up about Q and on two minutes is it's still going on. You still have people believing this. I see it on X all the time. They have all these different Q accounts, man, and they'll post like in 48 hours. This is going to happen or this event's going to occur. And then you see, like, all of these people buying into it, man, it almost seems like, you know, like the, I guess you could say that the newer individuals who have, quote, unquote, woken up, they're just dying to grasp at anything that they possibly can. They're taking advantage of that. So I mean, onto the next thing, guys, I mean, so what do you think personally, all right? Only at this point in time, do you feel is the biggest thing that they're doing to muddy the waters? And I'm going to honestly say I feel it's the conspiracy psyops. Like you guys were talking, I call them psyops sandwiches at this point. Like I think I told, told a writer that. And the reason why I call it a psyops is it's layered. Like you have you have the two, two pieces of bread, which are the psyops. But then you have the psyop in the lettuce too. And then you have the psyop in the tomato, and then you get to the meat and the meat's full of psyops. I mean, what is your guys's opinion? I mean, where do you think really that this all started to go downhill, aside from the potential infiltration? I mean, do you think it's human nature and human behavior, or was there any other kind of driving factors behind it? Well, to follow up on what Shane was talking about, which I think was really important when Shane said that when you track back all these things to their original source, you come to the conclusion that they were never real to begin with. And unfortunately, that is the case. I mean, that's 100% sure I've done an entire series of UFO doomsday calls on my channel. I'm doing a series right now on the legends of ufology. And going back and looking at what everybody talks about now within the community, within the new age community, within the conspiracy community, within ufology, it can all be tracked back through all of these UFO calls, everything that they've talked about before, going as far back as the early 30s, is just been changed and molded and shifted and turned into something just slightly different than what was being talked about before. And that's a really important thing to understand. And then when you take into the Paul Benowitz case and what was done, the Paul Benowitz and the misinformation and deception surrounding him and what all came up out of that, so many different things came out of the Paul Benowitz case that are still regurgitated to this very day, including a contract with extraterrestrials and the military that came directly out of this misinformation and deception ran on Paul Benowitz from the NSA and Air Force Office of Special Investigations. That the cattle mutilation stuff is connected to aliens and UFOs. That came from Paul Benowitz as well. Secret underground military facility in New Mexico came from Paul Benowitz too. And then it gets shaped and molded and then turned into something that, you got Bill Cooper that took that thought from Paul Benowitz and then turned it into a contract that Eisenhower signed with aliens. It was no longer the military that signed the contract with the extraterrestrials. It became Eisenhower that signed the contract with extraterrestrials. And it's just, it's unbelievable and people don't really want to look at that type of stuff because they've been so locked into the lore and the mythology of UFOs and aliens which UFOs and aliens are a big part of the conspiracy community where the people really want to recognize it or not. It is a large chunk and because normally whenever people, it's like you can take anything that's been blamed on aliens and extraterrestrials and you can just replace that with humans and you get the exact same thing. Everything that's been talked about that extraterrestrials are doing is what humans are doing to other humans is what governments are doing to their own people, to the to their own population. It's what the CIA is doing. So what the NSA is doing is what all these three-letter organizations are doing to their own people, you know, that's like the alien human hybrids. Okay, well, we just had one of the biggest largest border crisis in US history. What are those people considered? They're considered aliens, right? Exactly. Well, is there, what, newcomers, newcomers, newcomers into the community. But if I were to travel to a different country, like Shane, if I were to go to Canada, I would be considered an alien because I'm not from that land. I don't live there. I'm an alien to your land. Same as if someone comes from another country in the United States. They are an alien, and then what happens when those aliens breed and mix with people from that native land? They create alien hybrids, right? It's true, it's true, though. It's an alien invasion, but it's not an alien invasion from outer space. It's an alien invasion from across the border. We all have somewhere we're trying to get to. As the largest energy producer in Colorado, Chevron is working to responsibly meet rising energy demand. So everyone can get to where they want to be. 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And like I say, I agree with writer, I do think that a lot of what we see as extraterrestrial narrative that's being perpetuated in the mainstream is by our government, 100%. So I agree with that wholeheartedly, Shane. What do you think? What do you think is kind of the worst thing going on with this right now? I know you wanted to talk about the person we can't talk about, but you can go ahead and talk about them all you want. Well, definitely that's not the biggest problem. I know. That's not the biggest problem. Far away from the biggest problem, even though people like to believe it's the biggest problem. Yeah, just kind of following on what writer said, like he's talked about how the earliest UFO stories have been adapted over time, but those UFO stories were adapted from other types of lore and folktale that had to do more with entities and spirits that it did with aliens too, like all of those same cults existed before we had the word alien to throw in there. In fact, that was just a really clever twist and made people a lot of money along the way, so this has been something that we've been doing for a long time because it facilitates cults. Let's just be real about it. Going back to the foundation of things is important. Like we might have learned recently with mathematics, let's say that you have the equation where you have to multiply one times one and then you have to add two. If you listen to Terrence Howard, then you're going to get that equation wrong because you're going to multiply one times one wrong, right? Even if you add two correctly to that outcome, your answer is still wrong and that's the alternative community. It's like going all the way back, so one said that one times one was two and we continue all the math from there, and that was it. For the most case, that is true. What a writer said about aliens, the other thing I brought up is the reverse of that which is how long does a species have to be here before they're just native to this planet? When we talk about the Anunnaki story, if we were to just kind of take it at face value and they were here for thousands of years, who's the alien at that point? They aren't, you know, but this is just something that we do because it works. And I mean, I do have firsthand knowledge, but I don't even need to rely on that at this point in time because it's so obvious to just point to everything as it's happening. And you can see what they're doing. Having a fear of an enemy has always been important to the country you guys live in, for sure, as an example. And what was that Reagan speech about how if we had one enemy that we could all unite around, right? Oh, for the enemy from off world, that would cause the Earth to go up. But of course, we also really had to get rid of the communists. We really had to get rid of the Nazis before that. We really needed to get rid of the communists and that we really needed to get rid of the Soviets, right? And how did they use all of that fear propaganda against their public? We can look at it with hindsight now and it's pretty clear all the way that they did that. They use aliens in no different capacity. They use it as the same type of scia. And what's even better about that is it lets them get away with testing all kinds of stuff that they're not telling us that they're testing, right? And that we don't understand, like we can have a really early prototype for a NASA outfit land in Alabama one day and have a just dropped police officer takes the photos of them. We think that it's an alien. I've kidded writer, you know, things like that. I think your mic was muted, bro, bro, I love the Alabama metal man. Stop talking shit. That's what I mean, it could just as easily have been that. And you know, with a lot of the stuff that we're seeing now, that's that talking plasma technology that they've been keeping a secret for a while. That's those unmanned crafts being driven around drones, being driven around by AI that they've been talking about. And guys, just look at the way that they reveal this stuff like it comes out of nowhere, right? These things don't come out of nowhere. They have like a seven to 14 year period before they could even start testing it. And then they have to test it for a long time before it comes out of nowhere. And that's where the programs came in was all of this testing that they were doing, right? And we understand like we hear about it in Nazi Germany, right, the end of all the Nazi scientists doing all those. It wasn't just them. Russia was doing it. China was doing it. Japan was doing it. The Americans were doing it. The Canadians were doing it. Everybody was doing it. Everyone continued doing it too. Everyone happened there as we got to take a group of them and distribute them into all the other places that we're doing it already too. And that has been what they've been doing all along. And it's leading to all this technology that we see coming out of nowhere, right? And through my experience, I saw thousands of people hooked up to this type of technology. And I know of zero people who went out of space, right? And since coming out of all of that, I've seen all of that technology hit the public. And I've seen zero people go to space. So, you know, I don't know what else to say about that. That's interesting, man. We're going to say right or go right ahead. Well, just to piggyback off of what Shane was saying about Canada doing these kinds of experiments. I mean, it's heavily documented that Dr. Huen Cameron at McGill University in Canada, who was an MK-Ultra contractor, he was being funded by the CIA. And he could erase people's memories through torturous methods. He would drug the patient. He would electroshock them, sleep deprivation, prolonged sleep through the use of other drugs like benzodiazepine and a whole host of other barbiturate sleep aids. And then he would implant new memories. So we'd erase the person's thoughts and memories and who they thought that they were through a process. It was called depattering that just listed the things that were done in that depattering process. And then he would do something that's called psychic driving, where he would go in and the official terminology of what psychic driving is, which it could be a bunch of different things. One will tell you the official one is that they would put in a looped audio message. So they would have like a tape recorder after the subject had been de-patterned. They would take in a tape recorder and with a looped audio message, anything could have been on the looped audio message. It could have been you were in a secret space program fighting aliens in space for 20 years. You got injured and you had all this high technology of doing all this stuff, which I think is the very rudimentary thing that of what she is talking about now with the programs is a very rudimentary way of doing it. That's how it was done in the beginning was like with a taped audio message to implant thoughts and ideas and beliefs into the subjects had to get them to believe in something that didn't even happen. So you completely erased their identity and then you put a new identity directly into their head. And now you can just take that and replace it with a TV screen. It's no longer a tape recorder. Now it's a TV screen. So now they're getting a visual and an audio message. So that's just putting it into their head even more. Then you get a device that goes over their head and then you also have the screen. So then you're getting double even more and then it turns into some sort of VR simulated virtual reality is the most high tech version of the process that really slams into the person's psyche. All of these false memories and these that's completely false reality identity that is just driven into their head at enormous levels because they 100% believe that it's real. And we get the Montreal experiments and things like that thrown under the bus just like with the Nazi scientist example so that people are like, Oh, well, we found out about it. They stopped doing it. They wouldn't be doing that to all of us now, would they, right? Which is where we're at now is they threw all of that experimentation. I've been saying for a while, like I started to notice it in around 2018 and really get bad at 2020, but they've been MK all during the public and they're doing a great job of it. It's working, which I'm sure we'll get into too. Well, I mean, that was just important for me to say because there is, you know, she kind of jumps to the end with the VR and the whole technology aspect. But there's a whole evolution of it and the evolution of it started with these MK ultra programs that were being done in Canada, being done in the United States, being done at universities. I mean, whole wings of hospitals were open to do these, run these experimentations on these people. And another misnomer is that it was just all LSD, it wasn't all just LSD. There is reportedly at least 150 drugs that was being tested on these patients. And Sydney Gottlieb, which was the face of the MK ultra programs in the United States before it was supposedly shut down, had a brother. And his brother's name was David Gottlieb and he was a plant biologist. Why is nobody looked into that? You got a guy that's ahead of the CIA is doing all this experimentation on all these people using all these different substances, normally CIA designer drugs. And his brother is a plant biologist. That is interesting. I was pointing to is like what writer said about the evolution, they threw it under the bus early, right? Like at maybe at the TV screens, like clockwork orange style is where they kind of threw it under the bus. They never mentioned, you know, everything that followed that, which has been progressive with them and does get to the like the type of technology that they're talking about having now, right? Like it once again, didn't cut out of nowhere, but sorry, I'll let you continue. No, no, no, man, that was, that was, no, and that's, that's useful information. I think it really brings the light, you know, the, where, why, I mean, I've talked about how we have to have discernment with everything at this point, you know, we have to really truly, I mean, and at least in my eyes, that's part of being a sovereign human being is to, to have this discernment, but it seems like now, you know, getting on to the next talking point that all discernment has, has, has fallen out the window when it comes to this community, man, it's, it's like we cannot be honest anymore. We cannot be objective anymore. And we're, you know, and when we try to bring what we feel is actual true objective information of the table were chastised for it. And you know, it seems like, you know, of course I'm sure you guys can attest this was, this was all done by design, but is there also a human nature component to this too? Because when we see, you know, when you get a lot of, I'm going to use a polite word, not to bright people in a large group, you know what I mean? I'm a lot of interesting things start to go down. And I think mom mentality and a group thanks starts to showcase itself. So I mean, I mean, what is your, your, your thoughts on this writer, because this is something that we talk about a lot. It's like, you cannot be honest in this community and you cannot be objective in this community. You really can't. And that's the issue is you, you know that you're really on to something when you're just getting attacked and like trolled like all the time, you know what I mean? Like, that's just like a part of it. You know, you're hitting a nerve with people now that doesn't mean that everything that you're seeing is 100% truth because nobody has 100% truth, you know, a lot, a lot of times people are talking about a little bit of speculation stuff, which is also important, but it's also important to say, Oh, well, this is just speculation. This is, this is theorizing, this is, you know, something that it can't be proven. Because if you don't, then you're just contributing to the deception and the missing and the disinformation that is already out there, it's like what Bill Moore was talking about that had just covered in this five hour long lecture that he was giving to the move on conference in 1989. I mean, he is telling, he's laying it all out there, he's like, this is all nods bullshit, nonsense. If you take, take strip away the fluff, you basically just have the Paul Benowitz case and we know what was going on with the Paul Benowitz case. And it was an unbelievable thing. And he had so many good points in that discussion and in that, in that lecture, and people hated it. They hated it. They booed him. They did not like it. They wanted him off of the stage at one point, they were turning off the lights on Bill Moore to tell him to get off of the stage and people were like booing and then they had to get the runner of the conference to come up there and be like, I'm very disappointed in some people in this crowd right now, you know, and letting them continue. But then they just start turning off the lights and that's just like par for the course here when you strip away a lot of the nonsense and a lot of the garbage and a lot of the deception and you get down to the root of it. People don't want to hear it because it's like, you know, like an awakening that people talk about within the spiritual community where they feel like they've been lied to their entire life. Well, it's like realizing that you've been lied to your entire life, thinking that you have that you know more things and know more about the way that the reality works and then getting hit with a sledgehammer over your head and then realizing that those years that you spent trying to figure out things is also a lie. It's a lie within a lie and they don't want to go through that process again because if they did then this community would kind of just cease to exist. It would no longer exist and no one would be able to make money off of the community anymore. No one would be able to go to these conferences and talk about these wacky space adventures and in extraterrestrials and aliens, that means that it's all over and they don't want that. They have to hang on to that because they've built their entire personality and their entire life around this narrative 100% and if people don't believe that, they can believe whatever they want but they have a lot of these top speakers in the community have built their entire life and their foundation especially people within the Secret Space Program and the Super Soldiers. That's like all that they have and it's just a coincidence and this isn't me talking bad about anyone. I've struggled my entire life, I mean I was not born into a rich family, I was not born into anything, I was moderately poor but it's just interesting that all of the people within the Secret Space Program and the Super Soldier people are dirt poor, they're living off of food stamps which was, again there's nothing wrong, I've been on food stamps before in my life, okay, I get it, I understand it but it's another level when they're trying to create something that's going to give them a platform in order to make something of themselves and of their life when it's based on a lie and it's based on a fallacy to try and prop themselves up or try and give them an audience. When there's so many different topics out there to discuss other than but they just double down on the Secret Space Program, Super Soldier narrative, hoping for some kind of phrase, hoping for something to boost them up out of the, it's just a grift, it's a giant grift, it's like why don't you go back and look into the occult, like study serial killers, do whatever, you can, there's a lot of other communities that you can get your foot in the door and rather than repeating nonsensical garbage that has no basis in reality. I'm with you on that man, I think, I think, you know, I mean we see the profiteering and the grifting, you know, constantly, you know, especially with the fearmongers, the doomsday individuals, there's one off hand that I give a lot of shit, I'm not going to name names but, you know, it's funny how he's, he's constantly trying to get us ready for this cataclysm that's supposed to occur in the year 2040 when the sun's supposed to burp and micronova at the earth but he's really getting people back into the bipartisan system, he wants you to vote Republican while he's, while he's preaching the, you know, the doomsday cult on top of that, it's on with you, man, I see the griff, Shane, what's your, what's your response on that? Oh man, I think I forgot the question at this point. Oh, it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on. Sorry, it was a long run. No, it's on directions. No, it's all good. So, so, I mean, here, we'll, we'll start up with you on this man. So, so let's talk about the, you know, because this is something we've, we've talked about a lot, let's talk about the Trump Biden thing that's currently at play right now. Do you think, I mean, and I'm sure you could probably answer this, is, is this a form of MK Ultra that's going on with these, with these two candidates? And, and if it is, would you please elaborate so the viewers can understand this? Because I feel like this is something I've been trying to say for quite some time and nobody wants to hear it. Well, this is actually, it will help me because I can answer the last question too. Like, I've been kind of doing this for a long time and, you know, I have a story that doesn't have any verifiable proof for people. Like, I can't, you know, sit you down and be like, this is why I know it. And, but I don't rely on just that to speak because I can still see the rest of the world and make sense of it, right? And, but going all the way back, one of the first things before anyone had ever seen my face and I thought that that would never happen. Someone was like, well, if you know so much, tell us something that we don't know. And I'm like, Donald Trump will be your next president, it's going to change everything. And things will never be the same again. And I elaborated to go on about how like, basically, if you will accept that manager president, they know they can do whatever they want to you. And, you know, they're going to give you that first four years to see if you finally stand up and say, what the, and if you don't, then they're going to continue to be even more absurd. So what happened four years later, they put a corpse in this place. When I was watching that most recent debate, I was like, oh my goodness, like, they really are just, it's almost like they're just performing her humiliation ritual on you all. And that's kind of what it's like. I mean, they're literally abusing an old man on television. They're literally propping up a character of a human being on television. And they're making you vote for these two clowns, like, or one of these two clowns. It's the most ridiculous thing. And the insane cult cult worship on either side from both sides, both like when I say cult worship, it's hate and the love. You know, this is the tweet I forget who actually said it, but it sounds something like, please God, give me the Trump that the leftists have created in their delusional minds. I don't remember who said it, but I saw the tweet. I know you're talking about it. I would repeat that, but like, or the Trump that the right wing has created in their delusional minds, because neither one of those two trumps exist, for real. What we are actually dealing with is barely a human being. And I'm not saying like, he's possessed by some demon. I'm saying that he's basically a cartoon, like a living cartoon. Like, there's not anything real there. He's just going to do what he has to do in order to be that caricature. Right? And so the worship on both sides, the fear of him is ridiculous. The I thought that he's going to somehow save you. Did you guys forget the first four years? And he's going to kill us. Did you guys forget the first four years? It's like, there's like, either side, they're both absolutely out to lunch. And I honestly didn't think they'd ever get this far. Like, I didn't think that people would get this far gone with all of this stuff. But that is how absurd it is, is it's, it's crazy making, right? Like, we hear about that expression when it comes from narcissists, but that scales up to sociopaths. And even further to psychopaths, crazy making is their game. And that's exactly what they've done to the public. And I, I like, because I never believed that they would pull this off to see how stunningly they have. It's mind blowing me. And I agree. 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I didn't, I personally didn't think it was going to get this far, but the one thing they always said for a while now is even the most seasoned of us would be surprised at what happens. I'll tell you at this point, there's no shortage of surprises when it comes to what's happening here. I'll tell you that, Ryder, what are your thoughts on that, man? Do you think that this is some kind of MK ultra like hypnosis that's almost kind of hypnotizing the masses into this cult, like Shane was saying, this cult following, like losing their focus on what's really important and just drawing their focus onto these individuals? Well, I just think that it's interesting that they really haven't built anybody else up on the democratic side. There is nobody else because as soon as the debates were over, everyone was like, they're going to replace Biden. They're going to switch him out in there with Kamal Harris is going to be up there. Michelle Obama, she's going to swap in for Biden. I'm like, no, they're not, but one, we got four months until the freaking election. Are you kidding me? They, you know how long Trump has been campaigning? He's been campaigning basically since he lost the election in 2020. That's how long he's been campaigning for presidency. You're telling me that they're going to bring somebody else in and they're going to fit almost four years of campaigning into four months. Are you out of your mind? That's not going to happen. And if it does, it just shows you how ridiculous of a country that we live in that the leaders at the top really think that somebody that has only been running for president for four months can beat somebody that's been running for four years. And that was president before. You know, so that's a, that's a really big error on, on people's and in, that's another thing within the community. Everyone was a media like, oh, they got to, they got to have Biden step down, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that really actually influenced the mainstream media, because the mainstream media is also talking about it. And I don't think that they would have if all the big popular alternative media people were talking about it. They would have just kept on, they would have cut it all up, cut the, the, the big it up into a way that people can not see the, the mental cognitive of Biden to kind of brush it off and run little bits and little segments on how Biden is so great. So I really think that that was an influence from the, the alternative community that actually influenced the mainstream media in that narrative. But when it comes to Biden, he's obviously he has zero. Well, before we get into that, I want to talk about this 2025 document, the stupid 2025 bullshit document that everyone's been, you know, talking about that frickin Stephen King has been retweeting that all the, I can't stand him. I can't, I cannot stand dude. I'm sorry. Go ahead. It's, it's really a policy proposal of, it's I think it's like around a thousand pages for a incoming Republican, which that incoming Republican is supposed, is supposedly going to be Trump right now, a section of it does talk about like abortion, like, like three sentences out of the thousand pages or whatever. And everyone's calling it like a document of hate, like, it's Nazi Germany document, you know, and it's, but it deals with a lot of things. It deals with, you know, finances, the culture to the Republicans to the Democrats. And the Democrats really hate it because they've, they've, I was at the gym yesterday and see obviously CNN and MSNBC is on the TVs at the gym. And it said under project operation project 2025 to over just to stack the Supreme Court justices to overrule the Supreme Court just and like, what the, but everything is just an agenda now. You got agenda, agenda 2025. You got agenda 2030. They're just put, it's an alternative. It's just the way that the alternative community has bled through into the mainstream community. But this 2025 thing has nothing to do with Donald Trump. It's not a policy. Yeah, it's not even a policy for an incoming president or even the Republican party, right? And they do it every four years. So it's, you know, like once again, looking at the foundation, it's not Trump's thing. It's the heritage foundation. So let's get them, they've existed for a long time. They've done the same thing over and over again. Nothing's ever come from it because nobody takes them seriously because they produce trash like that, right? But like the media running with it like that is just, just beautiful because it, like I've been saying with the alternative community for a long time that we have a comprehension problem that most people aren't comprehending what they're hearing. They're really just curing the big sexy story. They're not really comprehending what's going on. And that's the same thing with that. It's like anyone who just reads it can comprehend this is a nothing burger, but people who don't know how to read that can't, right? It's very much like, you know, it's not that I've never trusted scientists. I just know that a lot of them lie. And I know how to read science, right? But if you don't know how to read science, then you have to rely and it's the same thing with politics. If you don't know how to read newspapers, then you don't understand, right? And what has been baffling me is the people on the left freaking out about the fact that they're no longer allowed to break their own laws. That their own Supreme Court justice has decided that they have to follow the law, their own constitution. And somehow that's a problem. And that guy's going to be a fascist. Like, I don't understand. It's like, it's one of the most narcissistic, like, I know you are. But what am I things I've ever seen? Like, you guys literally have spent the last four years breaking every law under the sun that you possibly can and bending the ones that you can't all for your own political game. And now you want me to worry that that guy is going to come in and do the same thing you guys are already doing? I don't know what I'm supposed to be scared of. Is gaslighting at its finest? Oh, it is. That's not the notion of gaslighting right there. I call it I call it the five year old mentality. It's like a five year old kid on the playground where they're with their friends like, like me and my friends can do it, but you can't. Okay, like that's it's literally what it sounds like to me. I mean, we've all been there when we were young earlier, the kid, it was like, I can do it, but you can't. And that's, I mean, that's basically what it is. It's like we're looking at a collective that is like adorned this child-like mentality, like throughout like this, this whole whole situation. And it is, it's almost as if like, and my theory behind it is it's because what they do is they they're consistently hitting the very deep emotional triggers of the collective with all of this stuff. And this is why this has happened because, you know, when you when you push enough buttons like that, you're going to have people throw any common sense and rational thinking out of the window. And you're going to have people just acting like a whole bunch of children, just emotionally immature children. But you know, one thing I want to ask you to, you know, since we're talking about this, this has been a huge thing that's been going around. And I've kind of theorizing myself, do you feel that some of the top people in the alternative media community are potentially instilled there to do what they're doing? Are they potentially some kind of actors of some kind? Or are they instilled to keep the diversion of everything going on and everybody chasing their tails? I mean, what do you think about that? I think it's a devil devil's advocate quote of I just set the stage, you pull your own strings. I like that. Yeah. And I think that's what has happened. It's what I've been saying about whistle blower since Corey good was that they don't need to put disinformation agents in there anymore. They don't need to mind control these people directly because we have people who are just going to come along and do it themselves, right? And play those goals. And ever since I said that, we've had a parade of them, right? Like I have a pretty public debate with one that that I know writer knows too. And then like, you know, this is what we've had ever since I said that because that's and that's it. I think in the same thing is true for even like a Joe Rogan, like I don't think that he needs a CIA handler sitting beside him telling him what to do. I think Joe Rogan's personality just fills in all of that hole for him, right? And I think the same thing with like a Candace Owens or a Tucker Carlson or whatever those twin Krazenstein boys are and like all these different other people on the left as well. Like I don't think that they need to actually puppet these people because what you said was true. They started hitting everybody here, right? And when we're really activated here, we don't use this at all. That's why an occult, you're always going to jump, bump into the trivia method is because that's part of the mystery schools. It's almost the foundation of them is to keep that in order of thought feeling action because when your feelings are in the way, you don't think properly. When your feelings are activated, all you're hearing is beep. And make that beep go away is Donald Trump or Joe Biden, whichever one you prefer, right? Because that's here, right? But while that's happening, we're not using this. And that's why they're being able to fill this for us. And our actions follow here though, right? So this is all activated. We're not listening. We're throwing our hands up in the air. They get to fill this. And then the trickle down ends up being the actions that they want us to take. And so it's playing on human nature and perverting the reward system so that people just do it themselves. And I'm sure a writer can speak to that because we see a ton of it in this community, right? With like just the individuals, like, I don't believe for one second that I don't know, I don't really like individual, like James Rink is being controlled by any type of handler. I think he's just a desperate man who doesn't have any identity outside of being a fake super soldier on the internet, right? Like if Shane the ruler went away for tomorrow, I'm fine. You know, I've walked away from this community for up to two years at a time. And I was perfectly fine. But these people can't say that. I've even challenged them. Why don't you step away for six months? I dare you. And they won't do it, right? And it's because they can't for that reason. And that's why they don't need to remote mind control us or send the CIA in unless we're gigantic and really getting out of line maybe. But at this point in time, there's too many different voices already that you don't really need to do that. Because even if Candace Owens starts running around saying that Bridget McCaron's a woman or a man, sorry, like, you know, it's easy enough for people to just tune that out. 100%. And the one thing I want to say, too, that you summed up before we get to writer, no, you're absolutely right. We do do it to ourselves. And that was, um, you know, one of the biggest things in 2020, you know, with the the coof and everything that was going on with that, they didn't have to police anything. Our own people policed each other. So like, this is a good analogy for, you know, what you're talking about, Shane, we do it to ourselves. We can make ourselves crazy. We can police each other. I totally agree with that. Writer, what are your thoughts, man? It's just so interesting to me that they play both sides of the aisle. And that's what they've been doing for a really long time. They fund and they control both sides. They are the creators of the misinformation and the deception. While on the other hand, saying that we need to stop misinformation and deception, right, playing both ends of it. And I have, um, it's just like that vice article that I just posted about the other day on Twitter. And I showed on my show with Dana yesterday, the saying that, you know, scientists are saying that if you research and you look into things, then that leads to conspiracy theorizing. Like, okay, well, what is involved in research? Researching just means that you're reading. So they're saying that if you're reading, then you're a conspiracy theorist. Well, how did they come to that conclusion? How did those scientists come to that conclusion that they had to have read some stuff, right? Super. We just broke the matrix. So like that Chinese kid with the books going, they're just jumping the knowledge off the page and do his head. I have a clip, though, from Barack Obama that I have, and the thing here that I want to everyone to listen to. I understand it's not necessary for people to believe. You taught you taught you tell me when you want me to hit it real quick. I'm sorry about that. Oh, good. Um, I played this machine. I played it with Andy a couple of weeks ago. And I think that is just the the best encompassing nature of everything that we've really been talking about. We can expand on it afterwards, but this just lays it all out there like perfectly an amazing conspiracy burrito, an amazing cult burrito. Sorry. And where he's saying this speech is important to because it's a cyber policy center, right? So it's about internet stuff. It's about social media. It's about what we do. So let's go. Let's roll on it. Understand it's not necessary for people to believe this information in order to weaken democratic institutions. You just have to flood a country's public square with enough raw sewage. You just have to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough, conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe. Once they lose trust in their leaders in mainstream media, in political institutions, in each other, in the possibility of truth, the game's won. There it is. He just said it in the most perfectly elegant way. I mean, people can talk shit about Obama as much as they want, but man could speak. The man could get up there and give an amazing speech. He was a very persistent system in the way that he spoke. It's wild that we transferred from that. It's kind of like what Shane was talking about, from that to a reality TV star, and then into a bumbling idiot that obviously has some a lot of mental problems and probably dementia and all timers. When I said he pooped on stage, I was going to say, what's that? He was he squatted over, and he looked like he was pooping and pooping during that call, where he said it's sorry. Just well, before Trump, the Obama was a test, too, because it was like, what happens if we put this guy who looks perfect and does all the wrong things? Does anybody notice? If he literally breaks every law that he could possibly break, he's literally killing your own citizens. He's starting killing more people than, but he looks good. He sounds great. All of that. It's okay. The important thing that he said there, and there's different directions that we're getting to this, but not knowing what to believe, right? People tend to give up at that point in time and they just decide that they don't believe anything. The other side that comes through the truth movement is that you can't possibly be sure of anything. There is no objective reality. Well, the end result is that that is the same, that you don't really believe anything. When you don't have conviction in anything, you act like you don't have conviction in anything, and then you can be very easily steered around by either side of this political puppet stream, or the alternative community, public strings, or whichever, because why? You can't know, right? You couldn't possibly know, but somebody must, so I'll just keep going where everybody else is going, as long as I like the smell of that room. Yeah, that's exactly what is so interesting, because Andy brought this up in our conversation. He said that that is exactly what Yuri Bessmanoff was talking about in 1983, the KGB defector in 1983. We almost gave that identical thing that Obama just said, like all the things that we just heard Obama talk about, also what Yuri Bessmanoff said, and just the different kind of words back in 1983. And I made a reel of it, and it's verbatim, the exact same thing. It wasn't that interview on the news, right? He was talking about how the KGB doesn't spend as much money in espionage as the United States thinks it does if they wanted to take down a country. This is how they would do it over generations. Is that interview? Am I correct about that? Yeah, the subversion of an entire country, and the four steps to subvert a country, destabilization, demoralization, crisis, and then normalization. He's, Yuri Bessmanoff is like, hey, if you create enough confusion, then that makes it to where no one no longer knows what to believe. They don't trust anyone, they don't trust their friends, they don't trust their family, they don't trust their neighbor, they don't trust their institutions. Exactly themselves. That's a big one. Yeah, sorry. Yeah. That is a big one. No, I would completely agree with that. I think, I think, you know, I mean, I remember when I first saw that interview probably like 10 years ago at this point, you know, I really saw it and it started to make sense in the aspect of what was going on, you know, in my younger years. But like I've told writer before, you know, I fell for the new age scam in the beginning. Luckily, I wised up and left that and understood that it was kind of a shaman in of itself. But no, same thing, man, that you could even see it applicable to going on right now, even in the alternative community. And you can see this kind of applicable to everything. And, you know, I think, you know, kind of what we're hitting at here, guys, again, is like, you know, we have to understand that there is foundational principles and what's going on, as what Shane is saying for sure. And, you know, we have to know that we have to just use discernment. And we biggest thing you guys talked about too is, man, just fucking reading the goddamn paperwork, like just just to read it, you know, like, I think really, you know, and I think, you know, it's kind of a vicious cycle too, because, you know, if you look at the world today on how it's either it's either it's a double edged sword, I think, yes, there's there's there's people there's people taking advantage of it, but it's even us too, you know, it's like you look at our day to day lives where a lot of people are so swamped and busy, that's where they're going to get their information. They're going to get their information from a 32nd reel, you know, as opposed to looking up the actual document itself. And what's pissed me off so much, Steven, it pisses me off so much that that's the case. I'm with you because I'm a guy, the two, I like to read things. I don't like to just, you know, I like to look at papers and things like that and actually read over stuff. I'm with you on that. It's just like people would rather like my short little reels and my short little clips like do so much better than my normal show does. We all have somewhere we're trying to get to. As the largest energy producer in Colorado, Chevron is working to responsibly meet rising energy demand so everyone can get to where they want to be. You've arrived. That's energy and progress. Visit chevron.com/tankless. With Luckyland Sluts, you can get lucky just about anywhere. This is your captain speaking. We've got clear runway and the weather's fine, but we're just going to circle up here a while and get lucky. No, no, nothing like that. It's just these cash prizes out of quick. So I suggest you sit back, keep your tray table upright, and start getting lucky. Play for free at Luckylandsluts.com. Are you feeling lucky? No purchase necessary, Boyd, we're prohibited by law. 18 plus terms and conditions apply. See website for details. On everything, dude, like I can post something on TikTok and get a thousand views in like five minutes. And I'm struggling to get a thousand views on my regular show. It's wild and it makes me want to just like stop doing it, but at the same time, I'm like, well, as long as it's getting out there in some way, and maybe one or two of those people, out of those thousands of people that has watched this minute clip, maybe one or two of them, check out the full thing. And that's worth it. I guess it's just really frustrating in the way that platforms treat. Real solid information is ridiculous as well. My stuff should be just blowing everything out of the water, but it just doesn't. And that's really discouraging as well, you know, because I know that it's good and it's been proving that it's good. I mean, I have videos on TikTok to have like close to half a million views. You know, and I know the things that I put out as quality, and I know that it's really good, but it just does not want to be pushed because it's lumped in with all this nonsense garbage bullshit. You know what I mean? I feel you on that, man. And you know, I think, well, the one thing I've seen a lot of these platforms do, and I'm sure Shane can agree with me when I say this, they seem to pop up the what I call the limited hangouts, the sensationalists, you know, and the fearmongers, and then just the individuals who are just really causing like a lot of hardcore division even further. So that's what it seems like to me. And I feel you on that writer because it sucks when you have somebody, I mean, you have a documentary and that's out on Amazon, you know, and you've put a lot of work into what you do. And, you know, I can understand your frustration behind that 100%. But Shane, let's hear your thoughts on this as well. I've said it all already. You know, we're going in circles because ultimately people aren't really looking for the truth. They're looking for a big sexy story. And they've woken up to go back to sleep in a different dream. And, you know, from my whistleblower knowledge, the one thing that they told me over and over again was that they, like, I didn't think that they could do this, but they kept saying that they would make people want it. And, you know, today that like every day that's just ringing in my ears is like almost thereafter, because it does sure as hell seem to me like people want it at this point in time, like they don't want freedom. They don't want truth. They want a comfortable lie that they can disappear into the multiverse with. And that's all a problem. And ideology is very important. And, you know, the ideology that the alternative community shares is the same ideology they fight against with the mainstream community, right? Like everything that most alternative community people will point to about the mainstream, they'll be like, this is wrong. This is wrong. You guys are doing the same thing. You're just doing it with a different flavor. Kind of like I've said, like super soldier furry explained to me the difference. In a lot of cases, there isn't one, right? And, and that's it's sad to see. But at the same time, we, you know, we can do better. And I know that we can. And, you know, I've watched this community go through bad cycles before and we'll bounce back from this one too. Just like humanity always will and so will we. But for now, we should be trying to be more disciplined, trying to be more responsible with what we're doing here. Because like writer has said, we are the new media, everybody, like even the audience is part of the new media. And you have a responsibility now. And if what you truly want is truth and what you truly want is change, then make sure your actions prove that to the world instead of just your words. I dig that, dude. And I think you're 100% right on that. And the one thing I want to say is, you know, is the biggest thing we could be doing to change things is focusing on creating the existences that we truly wish and desire. That's one of the biggest things we can truly do to change things. And I'm with you on that too. It's almost as if like, you know, people wake up to go back to sleep in a different dream. It's not a it's almost as if, you know, I hear the laughter that you heard also, man, because I look at I look at this today, like right in front of me, and I'm just like, holy shit, sometimes like, you know, I do realize the magnitude, I look at it and I'm like, this is, this is one hell of a wall. It's gotten a little bit bigger. It's got a little bit bigger over the past few years, you know, so but. And stop thinking that everything is a freaking sci-op. Everything's not a freaking sci-op. Like things happen, like things naturally occur in our reality. It's like the conspiracy in the truth or community want to make it to where nature just doesn't nature anymore. Nature still natures nature has been natureing since the beginning of time. Okay, natural things happen. That's just the way that it is. Okay. And and people are so freaking black pill to the point that they can't see anything but a freaking sci-op or some kind of controlled opposition. And that's why they attack each other. That's why they're always like this at each other all the time 24/7. No one ever says, oh, hey, we should collaborate. We should like bring our minds together. We should come together on this and work together and maybe we'll figure out something that we didn't know. Maybe we can actually get to the bottom of this. Maybe we can actually possibly change something. But instead, it's like we're just fighting with each other and budding heads against each other. No, I'm right. No, you're right. No, I'm you're wrong. I'm right. I'm right. You're wrong. And it's like created this this ridiculous type of back and forth within the community. And that's really the way that it's been for a really long time. And I 100% believe that that's done on purpose. That is done for a reason. And it's just unbelievable the way that you see people treat each other within the community. I'm like, who side are you on? Like, who side are you really? And then they're so jealous of other individuals that are that are doing better than they are doing, which makes absolutely no sense. We should be lifting these people up. We should be sharing their content. We should be putting out their content. We should be liking their content. We should be reacting to it. We should be commenting on it with good and positive things, even if you don't agree with them. Like me and Sheena have talked about several times, I listen to people all the time that I don't like or that I disagree with. Because maybe somewhere in that I can get a different perspective somewhere in that my mind can possibly be changed by what somebody else says that I hadn't thought about before. And this whole idea is that if you disagree with someone, that means that you hate them or that you don't like them. That is not the case. What happened is like civil debate. There's people just like not debating anymore. And that's another thing that goes back to Trump. Trump turned the ties on freaking debating. He just got up there and just like insulted the shit out of Hillary Clinton. Yeah, exactly. That family guy episode where Lois is running for mayor or whatever. And she just walks out there and says nine. That's what it is. You changed the whole game. He turned it into an internet chat room in a legitimate presidential debate. Well, and we changed the timeline because don't you remember Smokey the Bear said only dudes can start forest fires. In my timeline, it was you yeti smoking never existed. I'll tell you your calls that's people get it right. But dude, right? You hit a very good point, man, because like that's what how I feel. I feel like we're all comrades here. I really do. Like, I feel like, you know, yeah, there's the same thing. There's people that I don't 100. I've had people on the show that I don't 100% agree with. I mean, there was a guy not too long ago. He was a great guy. It was a great conversation. Like, don't get me wrong, but like, didn't 100% agree or they're the same. But I still had respect for him in the fact that he put this much work into this research. Like, you know, he did. He was very educated in what he was talking about. I mean, he did. He opened my eyes to some things that, you know, I had to go back and reevaluate. And I think I think that's true critical thinking. Is it not? Like, I mean, it's true critical thinking. Isn't that what this community was supposed to be founded upon? Was critical thinking and like common sense? Isn't that what this was originally supposed to be? But yet it's not now anymore. Anytime anything happens, it seems a tad bit like anything on the world stage. Like within the hour, dude, people are on it. Oh, no, it wasn't really that. It was it was freaking aliens. It was a mall. It was a mall alien. I got a video recording or someone sent me that was there with the mall in Miami that said that the railings, there was 12 foot tall aliens that were outside. That's why all the cops were rolling up. It's it's I don't know, dude, it's just so wild that it's that there's not any time in between any of the stuff that comes out within the community. Like there's no like looking into it anymore. There's no critical thinking behind it anymore. It's just like, how soon and how fast can we push out this content after something happens? And inevitably, all of those people that push out that content as soon as it happens are all wrong. They're all wrong every single time because they don't have all the information. All the information has not come out about it. If they would have waited a week or maybe even a couple of days, they would realize that it was nothing like that. But that's not the goal. That's not the point. It goes back to the confusion aspect of this whole thing. And you you flood the internet in the population with as much nonsense and garbage as possible all out at once. So it just confuses everybody on what to believe. The main the alternative community is the mainstream community for the people that don't believe in mainstream news and mainstream community. It's 100% 100%. Dude, no, and I remember the whole the whole Molly. You know, we had a lot of different aliens last year. We had cake aliens. We had we had Molly and we had last year's aliens. You don't remember the last aliens? No, I didn't even see I know we had a plastic jug alien. Somebody thought of leech bottle wasn't enough and duff wasn't alien scholars like that. But it could have been a joke. But no, I did not hear about these Vegas aliens and lying to me. This is the one I missed. Oh, you didn't hear about the Vegas aliens? I don't think so, man. Oh, well, there's footage of it. You might be able to look it up. I don't know. You just type in Vegas. Let me see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got it's got awful footage. It looks like it was filmed off of a 2001 freaking flip phone razor. No, it's over there. I'm gonna film them. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me let me let me see it. So it was like, was it like two months ago? No, it was I think that it was in it was last year. All right. So it says it says it cops investigate alleged UFO crash and green colored alien sighting in Las Vegas. I don't know if that's the one or not. But I'll definitely have to look it up. But no, that's I you know, I'm surprised that's slick by me. I don't know. Anyway, there was this aliens apparently showed up in this family's backyard in Vegas and the whole family was there and they all whipped out like one person. The only one person that was videoing anything was in the very back of the group. There was a fence in between them and this entity or whatever. And all you see is like, what kind of looks like a outline of a man? And like, that's it. But the footage is so freaking blurry and so distorted that it's hard to make out anything which that's another thing that I've mentioned in the machine several times and a lot of times on my show was like, why is all of the footage of anything weird or anything strange or freaking big. Why is it all shitty footage? It is like, it's like it literally is like the guy, the guy can't hold the camera straight for the life of him. Like, you know, you know, you know, I love the aliens. They're right here on the screen of my room. It's a really clear view of them. Oh, I'm telling you, it's every you want to know what though the only the only clear, clear video I ever saw of something, man, I was actually so I was watching with with my lady the other day. We were been watching the paranormal caught on camera just to kill time when we're hanging out in the evenings and somebody actually got a Bigfoot video that was not like they actually had like a clear, I mean, it could have been it could have been a lot of different things but but but but still I'm with you guys. What are you talking about the one in Colorado? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that was the one that they were showcasing that one was really interesting. Me and showed me and chained it a whole show on it. That one was interesting because I mean, it could have been somebody in just a weird like hunting gear or whatever but the thing that I found interesting that I brought up in the video was that the creature or the entity or the person or whatever he sat down like he was trying to blend in with the shrubbery, which I thought was really interesting. That's what you would probably do. That's what animals do is they try and blend in with nature and like whenever they're stocking a stocking something, they'll try and blend in with the the surroundings, the surrounding areas. So I thought that was give a little bit more legitimacy to it but those people are actually from Wyoming and their story seems to be legit. I don't know. Who knows, man, you know, that's the one thing too is it's like, I think, I think, you know, because we're going to start one now. The best thing that I can lead off with is, man, after this whole conversation tonight, you know, I got two very smart individuals sitting here who have done their research. They have looked at the things they have put in the work. Like I said, writer has a documentary called JFKx on Amazon right now. Shane is a whistleblower and he actually, you have classes to teach people magic and other things correct as well, right? I do. Yeah. And what I define magic that's your relationship with yourself, your environment, and other people. It's not throwing fireballs. Exactly. Yeah. As you know, to tie it into the Secret Space Program, I put in and I'm doing introduction calls for free for the rest of the summer for anyone's interested because usually it's $60 for that interest, an introduction call. Because of Secret Space Program, people wanting to learn how to throw fireballs. I feel you guys. I got a question for you really quickly, Shane. Ryan Burns was on my show the other day and he was talking about this thing that's called the Red Right. And he said that it kind of came out of Michael Aquino and which Michael Aquino started the Temple of Set. And apparently Michael Aquino was involved in this like ritual where he would essentially imbue his essence onto a pregnant lady that the child has not been born yet. And he would do some kind of magic to like put his consciousness inside of the unborn baby. And then at some point, I would be guessing pretty close to the pregnancy. He then kills himself and then commits suicide. But his consciousness is now inside of that unborn child. Have you ever heard of anything like that? I think there's a show that's very similar called Intruders. But yeah, there's a, you know, not to say that it worked, but there's definitely a few calls out there who believe they can do stuff like that. And it's up for debate whether or not it works. And it definitely doesn't work 100% of the time. But yeah, it's a type of forced incarnation. It's possible and it exists whether or not that gentleman actually was involved in it or just heard about it or saw intruders is for debate as well. But yeah, there's a lot of weird shit. All right, I'm not going to deny that. It's sorry for my language on your show. But there's a lot of weird stuff. There's truth in almost all of it. And but all that noise is what's drowning out the truth of it. And the truth of it on both sides, whether it's our enemy or the powerful ones, the answer is human. And that's why people don't like the answer. I can understand that 100% and I like the way that you phrased that because there is truth in this. It's not we're not it's not that you guys are coming up here and being like, you know, all of it's not true. No, there there's definitely very strange things that are that are happening. And like I said, Shane, you put it really well that there's this noise that's this this background noise or this background mental noise or whatever we really want to call it that's clouding out the discernment to look for that actual truth as opposed to just believing what's handed to us, you know, and TikTok videos and and what's on, you know, the X feed or things like that. So well, guys, let me tell you this, it was a real pleasure having you two on. It was great to have you both here at the same time. So I do have writer I have your YouTube link in your Apple podcast link in the description. Shane, I have your YouTube link. But if you two want to announce where they can find you guys outside of that before we close out tonight. And so everybody can go and check out your stuff. Yeah, you can find me on YouTube, I had raised by giants and you know, podcast platforms I raised by giants and check out my documentary JFK X on Amazon Prime. If you're inside of the United States, if you're outside of the United States, check it out on Vimeo. It's up on Vimeo as well. And on to be so you can watch it on to be I think to be goes to a different a couple of different countries. And I am currently working on documentary number two, which is going to be amazing and below everything under the water. So really looking forward to that. Thanks for having me on Steven. And thanks for being on here, Shane. Once in a lifetime podcast that we just did my friend and I very much enjoyed it. Been learning to do one like this for a while. And she and Steven hit me up and was like, yeah, let's do this bad boy. So very much enjoyed it. Thank you. Oh, yeah, man. Oh, yeah. And Shane, working everybody else find you aside from your YouTube channel. I know you're on all social media as well. Have you do the the linked ring linked tree URL after the slash Shane underscores the door? Like it's written on the screen there if they see that. But with an underscore on it between shaders because the story, you'll find all my links there. I don't really post to public YouTube anymore because of the community. And I do know I have a paywall that's there more like a gatekeeper than a money making thing because I don't really make a ton of money off of it. I just don't want to have to answer everybody's absurd questions. So I like questions. I totally understand and totally understand if you two want to stick around for just a second, guys, I want to thank you all for joining me for another BG cast Wednesday live podcast. I think this was a very insightful conversation with writer Lee and Shane here. I think really what this really says to us is we need to use discernment. I mean, this is something I hit home so much is is discernment at all time high right now. Discernment is key. And do not let the noise cloud out what is truly there for you to see. And that is really the best thing that I can leave you all with guys. 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