[music] Hello and welcome to the Hammer. I'm your host Dave. Joining as always by my co-host Steve. Steve. And Greg. Greg is silent at the moment because we have a very special guest joining us in this May 11 show. We are going to be joined by author Jerry Langdon, who has written the book "Fighter, The Unauthorized Biography of GSP." So Jerry, are you with us? Yeah, I am. Thanks for having me on. Well, thank you for joining us. So let's start by the first obvious question. Can you just see the last GSP fight and what did you think of it? I did. You know what? It didn't surprise me at all as had been sort of his grand tactical campaign. You know, he did what everybody sort of accused him of fighting to win rather than for the knockout and you can understand why. Everybody knows shields is murder on the ground and you'll notice that he spent what was it? Twenty-five or twenty-seven seconds out of the whole match on the ground? He knows what he's doing. Yeah. Now, let me ask you, how did you get into writing the biography of GSP? Well, I actually have a sports background. I started writing professionally, actually I was a McMaster student when I started writing for the Hamilton Spectator. Were you? And I don't know if you covered crime stories, correct? No, at the time I was a movie reviewer and concert reviewer and, you know, as my career went along, you have to remember that was the late 1980s. I did a lot of sports, particularly in the New York City area. I was in the sports department at the New, at the Star Ledger in New York, New Jersey and also in, in Westchester County, just north of New York City there. And when I came back to Canada, I started writing books, mostly about crime. And when this came up, I really wanted to do it because, you know, I'm a big sports guy and it's just such an interesting story. So what drew you to UFC from basically mainstream sports? Well, you know, I realized that, you know, it's the big thing. We had debates at, you know, sports newsrooms that, you know, the only people who don't acknowledge UFC as well as the major sports and the people who just aren't young enough to understand that it isn't going away. The meteoric ride of UFC, you know, into mainstream, and because GSP has been instrumental into making it a more mainstream sport because he's sort of, you know, transcended the old ideas of what a mixed martial arts fighter is, we're extremely fascinated to me. Of course. And I mean, GSP has that clean cut image. But so is that really what I tried to do to writing the book of G about GSP rather than say an Anderson Silva or Randy Couture or some of the other? Well, you know, I was writing this for, you know, Canadian audience, so it makes sense to have, you know, sports star in Canada. A couple of things got me about GSP is, you know, his story, you know, how he was this little undersized bullied kid and he worked very hard and, you know, you know, but his karate coach dying and, you know, some friends of his rented UFC one on a wint years later and he was allowed to go to his first mixed martial arts fight because his mother wouldn't allow him because it was sponsored by Penthouse Magazine. He was 14 years old, I think that was appropriate. And, you know, how he worked for jobs at a time to put himself into training. And much of the rest of his story, you know, how he reinvented himself after the lost match Sarah, how he overcame the demon that was, you know, his hero worship of Matt Hughes. All of these things can make him, you know, sort of a deep character. Let me cut in here for a minute to say, if you don't mind. Now I think that the bully out of your book is very, very interesting because you chose to break up the chapters by the fights that GSP had and obviously one of the huge things was Hughes. GSP has been accused of cost check of having kind of a fake rivalry to saw the fight. But the rival with Hughes, that was a very real rivalry, right? Absolutely. And I agree with you about cost check and we could talk about that later on if you want. It was a real rivalry because he grew up, like many MMA fans, worshiping Hughes, thinking he was great. And, you know, Hughes really was very media savvy for many years, came off as an awestruck country boy, nice guy. But then when his own autobiography came out, he really looked like sort of a quite a psychopath, but really someone who didn't care about anyone else in the world except for himself. And then when GSP and he were on the Ultimate Fighter together, you saw that GSP's respect for Hughes erode before your eyes. And you saw that fear that he had for him just dissipate. And then when he came out in his second fight, it was almost no contest. Now, would you say that after the words of the fight, is there still bad feelings between Hughes and GSP? Is that something that lingers? Or one? I think it will always be a mutual respect for them between the two men. But I think that they are so different and, you know, GSP is a very strong emotional person. And I think strong emotional, I mean, he's strongly emotional. He is very deeply affected by many things. And I think that Hughes hurt him very badly and emotionally. And I think that just he was so crestfallen to see his hero behave in such a way that it would be very hard to see them be friends again. Absolutely. Well, we mentioned KaShik a little bit, and let me get your feelings on that particularly rivalry. That seemed almost entirely one sided by KaShik, and even like, I questioned how much even KaShik really believed in that. Yeah, I'm not sure myself because, except for the run-ups for that fight, KaShik had never really had that kind of character. Hughes's smart kid, fairly well educated, usually well-spoken. And then all of a sudden, when he was going up against GSP, he started talking like a professional wrestler. And, you know, he was playing the old American Canadian stick, they always drag out. And it seemed out of character for him. And, you know, I think a big part of that was he was in over his head. And they needed some way to hype the fight rather than, you know, make it look like GSP is just, you know, lining up welterweight contenders and knocking it down. And they needed to make KaShik into the characters of the sort of, people who want the CGFPB. Well, the latest guy this week, Chael Sun, and he's been calling out GSP just on his attitude and his boring fights and such. Do you think trash talk overall is good for the sport? You've covered the Josh KaShik fight in your book. Like, do you think it makes it more exciting? Is it? Do you think there's no place in it? Well, I think it's a double-edged sword because it does excite people. And if you look at the way the UFC is run, I mean, after the fight, what happened? You know, GSP apologized for not finishing him. Dana White said, "Well, you know, I would have liked to have seen more fireworks." A lot of fans don't want to see just the win. They want to see, they seem to see something exciting. And trash talk builds that up and it's part of the culture. But it also takes away from mainstream acceptance when you start making it more dramatic than it needs to be when people sort of question credibility. But if you look at, say, the NFL, which I'm sure you can cover, they do sideline interviews all the time. And a lot of the athletes aren't at all shy about calling out other athletes or coaches or performances. Absolutely. But you would never see Tom Brady apologize for not throwing five touchdown passes in a game. Good point. Sorry? Is there a good point for him? Yeah. And they call it each other, but there is also mutual respect in the NFL. I'm glad you mentioned the NFL because I find a lot of those guys, the ones that you see who have the big mouths, the ones that run their mouths, they generally get run out of towns and run out of teams. You literally must look at Torello and these guys are the guys who are seen as locker room candidates. They're guys that go from Dallas to San Francisco to Cincinnati to Buffalo in a space of three years. Generally, it's kept on the up-and-up, and you see a lot of that in the OC too. A lot of these guys have nothing but respect and that's one of the reasons GSP is so popular because you see at every press conference beforehand, "Shield, this is my toughest fight yet. My toughest challenge yet? Cost check. What a tough challenge. He's such a good young fighter. He says nothing but good things about the other fighters." Well, that's the thing now. It seems like there's a lot of pressure on GSP to vacate his welterweight belt and go up to middleweight. Like, is this something that you can do? Yeah, and you know what? Personally, I would warn him against it because that is a huge jump and he would be fighting Silva and that would be... Silva's on slow and she's obviously going to be so remarkable. Yeah, it would be a remarkable leap. And if you look at BJ Penn, who is not the perfect analog for this, but when he moved up to welterweight, sure he was successful, but if you notice his body shape when he had the extra weight on, he was not cut. He was a rounder and I think that affected his speed. Absolutely. And it seems like GSP, he gained muscle mass for the shield's fight and it seemed like that might have been affecting his speed's speed there. Absolutely. Yeah. Who do you think? And if he jumped up, I really don't think it'd be a good one. So who do you think the best fight for GSP is at this point? Right now, I really think Condit excites me or maybe even Nick Diaz. Those are, I believe, both of our choices. Yeah. And Diaz is great and, you know, Zappa has brought strike force, so it's kind of made in heaven. And it would be a perfect fight because Diaz is obviously very polarizing. Now Condit, though, and he's a little very polarizing to hardcore fans because he's part of GSP's camp. Would you be comfortable? Well, that would also add a little bit of drama to it, I think. So you think that you would add the drama of, you know, master fighting student or brother fighting brother kind of thing? Oh, absolutely. I mean, that is exactly the kind of hype storyline that the UFC feeds on. Now we've had your book for a little while. We've both read it and enjoyed it. How do you describe the book to everybody out there? I would describe it as accessible. A lot of people have told me that they were scared that it would be just for sort of a hardcore MMA fan, but it's not really, you know, anyone can enjoy it because the thing about GSP is, like I say, he transcends the medium. One of the things that sold me on writing the book, because when they asked me to consider it, the publishers told me, you know, you look at Facebook and Sydney Crosby, who was at the time the biggest, you know, sort of mainstream sports star in Canada, has 75,000 fans on his Facebook page and he has $1.3 million, you know, he's-- He's crossed borders. Yeah. He crosses borders. He gets mobbed in the Philippines. They know who he is in England in, you know, obviously all over the United States, Mexico. He's a huge star and, you know, it's an interesting story because it's almost like a boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back story. Only the girl is the championship belt, but he's always running. Now let me ask you two more quick questions if you feel in mind. Now first of all, in your book, which is a fantastic book, it really goes over the history of the university in a GSP's career, unfortunately we don't really get a lot of GSP's personality. Is that because he's such a private personality outside of the cage? Like, you don't really see much of his personal life as opposed to-- Yeah. Well, you know, he is a very private person, but you have to remember, I'm a guy whose first, you know, six books were about the Hells Angels. I'm really good at finding out things people don't want me to know. And I researched him thoroughly. I mean, people wanted to know if he was involved in organized crime because, you know, it is Montreal and, you know, and I found a link to a link to a link to a link, but no, he's clean and, you know, another group of people said, "Oh, you know, there's a rumor he's gay and I, you know, I research backwards and forwards." No, the guy's clean. There's not a nod to his personal life because, you know-- He's just such a clean wistler, is that like the dirt or a molly crew? Yeah, there's no dirt on him. He's just kind of, you know, who he is? Fair enough. Yeah. Well, thank you very much for joining us, Jerry, and one more question. Thank you for staying with us. Oh, yeah, it's one more thing. We saw your book, like, promoting, like, everywhere in Toronto, like, leading up to UFC, like, on the streets and the bookstores and everything. If you could do one more book in this style, like, if you are going to continue to do books like these, is there another fighter's career you would like to, you know, do a book like this on? You know what, not yet, but, obviously, you know, I'm watching the sport all the time now, you know, I see it in a different light, and, you know, some of the stories that really attract me are the ones that where some of them come from very hard times or is unexpected. You know, I would write about men's of art, but no one would buy it because he's just not a big star. But what an interesting story. Oh, absolutely. I would love to read about that, but... Exactly. You know, I mean, there are tons of Canadian fighters who are, and not just Canadian. I mean, they're really Americans as well. I don't mean my dad. Excuse me. There are tons of Canadian fighters whose stories are, you know, because you have to understand these guys, when they were young, when they were, you know, it's funny because I'm actually calling you from my son's football practice. When they were my son's age, the sport they're in was illegal everywhere. You know, the first martial arts competition in Canada, all the participants were arrested afterward. So, just one of the final thing then, so we were joined by the author Jerry Langdon promoting the book "Fighter," which is the unauthorized biography of GSP, and when is the U.S. related to this book? It just happened actually, I think it was May 9th or May 3rd, and, you know, Wiley, my publisher, it's an American company, but it has a very strong Canadian arm, very independent and autonomous, but the American side was very interested in this book and decided to publish it as a hardcover, which is, you know, very rare for Canadian books to be published in the U.S. as a hardcover. Well, thank you very much for joining us, and we wish you all the success, both sides of the border, and we hope that, you know, you'll get a chance to write either the biography of Mengevar or someone else. Yeah, should be fun, thanks. Thanks for joining us. Thanks. Bye-bye. So, we're going to go forward with a little bit of the news. We do have a lot to talk about, so we're going to start with one of the big stories. I'll tell everybody in here now. Greg has joined us, you cannot be afraid of the interview, but he is back with a mic of his own now. So, we're going to start with a non-MMA story, but Manny Pacquiao boxing fought on the weekend. That was the fight of the night against Shane Mosley. Shane, yeah. Do you have any football stories we could talk about? Yeah, we could, but Pacquiao gets criticism because he, like GSP, has gone to decision too often. He's been a decision for the third time in a row against Mosley, despite the fact that there are 800 punches, 750 punches, and they criticize him for being lazy as opposed to using 1,000 punch performance. A decision is, honestly, what does everyone have against decisions, really? Like, I don't know, whatever. Well, play fans are play fans, they want to see knockouts and fireworks. Well, speaking of decisions, Frank Yeager and Gray Maynard, unfortunately, in the worst news of the week, both Frank Yeager and Gray Maynard are injured. The title fight May 28th is off. It's the first fight January or the, sorry, their last fight, January 1st was by fight of the year so far. I was dying to see this fight again. This is kind of an interesting one. Now, Frank Yeager broke his ribs and hurt his back and training, so he pulled out. They were going to find a different opponent for Gray. They were looking for Miller and Pettis, and I think both of them were interested. And then boom, Maynard got injured, whole fight scrapped. I also heard that they were talking about possibly putting in Guido or Ben Henderson. They were also options. Which means that they're thinking very strongly about Miller and Ben Henderson. Yeah. Oh, they just signed that fight today. There you go. Honestly, I don't. I'm thinking with those guys for championship. Honestly, I don't want to entertain the idea of Pettis and Guido not fighting. Very, very good. So, I mean, that would be like a double whammy. So we're not going to see Maynard or Edgar and we're not going to see Pettis and Guido. Come on. Well, but Maynard versus Pettis would be an amazing fight. And we're still going to see Pettis and Guido. Now we're going to have the opportunity to see the Unsubmittable Ben Henderson versus Jim Miller who is an absolute master of submissions. And those are your two fights that are going to find your next title contender. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, absolutely. Those are those. That's exciting. This is very unfortunate though, because as much as we want to see just this fight, that was the main event of a pay-per-view card. The new main event is Rampage versus Matt Hamill. And that's now two title fights, a kibosh for the next few UFC shows. I mean, we're not going to see, well, we've got Cruz Faber coming up. But other than that, that's pretty much it. What I'm hoping is that there's that kind of like lame duck early August show that was supposed to be Bones versus Rashad. Yeah. And now it's Rashad versus Davis. I'm hoping that Edgar and Maynard can slide into there and save that show. That'd be good. But that's just-- Well, that's kind of a fight-dream though, because you're-- If you've got a broken house, you're heard about. They said four months. That's about three and a half. So-- Well, with that being said, because you still have a can't do a camp after that, realistically, Rampage and Hamill was a big draw on that show as much as Maynard and Edgar would be contributing as well. And now you have Nelson and Mira as the Colman event. It's not terrible. It's not terrible. I mean, I'm a little bit disappointed that they don't have another fight, but they are going to move up. I believe Tiago Halves from the undercard. Yeah. Him and Rick Story, they're moving up. But you're going to see that fight anyway. It was on the Spike Freedom. So it's not like a huge deal. But I think it was really, really bad timing about this, though, was Edgar and Maynard got injured literally a week before the UFC announced full fighter insurance for all 350 fighters. And the UFC, including training injuries. Yeah. So training injuries-- Travel injuries. All that stuff. That's-- It's on fighting related. You get hit by a car outside. You get injured. You go tackle somebody who stole someone's purse in the park. But realistically, this is the kind of thing that these guys do, because Paul isn't the first guy to do it. Yeah, it's true. You know, if you got stabbed, it could be in the main event, that would be money. You could seriously-- The Justice League needs its insurance. So again, I'm going to wait and see until somebody gets covered for something that isn't evolved, going on the way to a UFC show or training for a fight. Like, if they get injured cooking dinner, you know, we're going to have to see. Well, I mean, Nelson's not that bad. But this is huge. All 350 Zufa fighters are now covered for stuff like this, who this is a big deal for are the guys who are fighting for $8,000 tonight. Oh, yeah. This is huge. I mean, it's not going to affect GSP. But for guys like Ivan Mengevar, like these guys train for four months for a fight, get injured, and then, like, don't have a fight, don't get paid. Yeah. That's bad. At least this way, their medical bills are covered. Yeah, which is, I mean, the medical bill's a pile of like crazy, especially because they're fighting in the States most of the time too, right? So, you know, I guess GSP being Canadian doesn't have that problem. Well, I mean, you know, GSP gets hurt, real awesome. He has the angle of flying. He got tons of money. He's got a little paul. He's like-- He's going to pull a lesbian. Yeah, the other thing. That's clinic in the world. The other thing is, like, I like the fact that it is becoming a moral regime of sport with the fighters being taken care of. Oh, yeah. But professionals, they are. Well, this isn't just catching up to other sports. This is surpassing some other sports. This is true. This is far surpassing some of them. Like, not exactly a sport, but, I mean, pro wrestlers have been wanting this since the '80s and have still not got it. UFC's already got it. Like, Dane and Zufa have already hooked them up. This is huge. Now, this is definitely very, very important. And another important bit of news I think we should throw out there, Dan Hardy is going to be retiring. So, he's announced that he's-- What? Hey, you got this. He took a fight with Chris Leitzel Lidels. Oh, my God. That'll be his third loss in a row. No, fourth loss in a row. No, no, no. That's going to be a good fight. And I don't know. I always got to have my support behind Artie. So-- He will win. He will. I have faith in him. So, Jessica-- He is way too cool to lose four fights in a row. Come on. So, Jessica is up. He is not being let go. No. If he loses this fight with Lidels, then it's very likely he'll be cut. Yeah. If it's four straight, I don't care, like, how much of a draw you are. And this is going to be-- this is going to be in the main event, too, of UFC Live 5. The one in August. So, this is definitely, you know, lights out. He's no easy meat. I mean, people think he's a stand-in banger, and he's going to trade with Artie. Well, that's-- Lidels got a lot of tools. Lidels won most of his fights by submission. Yeah. And he just saw how Rumbel Johnson did it. So, main event of the night, if I was Lidels, I want to take chances. I got to think Artie's finally learned his lesson and is going to train some ground. I'm still-- I'm going to stand up for Artie, though. He has not had an easy road to his last fight. No, he's not. Absolutely not. That was the argument I was trying to make two weeks ago. I agree. He hasn't had an easy road, but there's no easy meat in the welterweight division at this point, because you got to figure, who would you put him with? Like, you're going to go-- who's there to give him? Diaz? Diaz is in an easy fight. McDonald? What am I seeing him in Canton? That's not an easy fight. Not an easy fight. That's a great fight. But an immediate, Tardy style. But you got to figure Cantman, Steed, Diego, Sanchez, B.J. Pan-- these are your easy fight. Are you kidding? Not an easy fight. There's no easy fight. There was a division. Easy fights. Oh, you can get the Marcus Johnson. I mean, that would be-- that would be a fight that Artie would win, but it wouldn't be like this. Yeah. I mean, Dave, you're right. There's no real such thing as an easy fight. And also, if Artie's even the kind of guy that you've got to carefully hand pick, fighters to fight him that he can be, well, then we're boxing now. We're picking cans. No, I'm not saying pick fighters that it'd be easy for him to beat, but, you know, they're doing it the correct way. You lose. You go down the card of peg. You lose. You go down the card of peg. And then it gets to the point of a TV show. And then, well, hey. It's in Britain, isn't it? Isn't this a show? I'm not sure if it's in England. It's a fight night. I don't really think that's right. I don't think it's in England. No, OK. I know there's an England show coming out. But still, yeah. If he loses this fight-- yeah. Yeah. But if he loses this fight, expect him to be cut. Yeah. That's true. That's the same card, though, that has Jim Miller versus Henderson, which I can't wait for. So that's already become a great fight night. Oh, who won't be fighting is Miguel Falcayo, who is supposed to fight on the UFC Rio card. UFC just decided to let him go. The oldest all charged stuff came up and they had trouble getting them all. And they just decided that Falcayo was just too crazy and violent to be a UFC fighter. You know what, though? This is a legitimate truth in that, Falcayo, I was just saying-- He's kind of a loose cannon. He's a loose cannon. He's always needing to be pulled off every opponent that he's viciously beaten with an exception of the one time he gets in the UFC and he decides it's close for the third round. No, but he just checked in. He just checked in. He got pulled off in that fight, too. Yeah. Both the first two rounds. And then the third round, he's like, oh, I won. So he saw play. Yeah. He was ridiculous. And then he got him having criminal beef swam as well. Get out of here. Yeah. I was perversely interested-- You might as well find a crazy horse if you're going to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if they caught him, I can't blame them. Well, I mean, you know-- Your roster is deep enough that you don't need something like that that could be detrimental to the reputation of your hesitation. Plus, he was going to be-- he was going to be on UFC in Brazil, which, OK, fine. He's a Brazilian fighter. But on UFC in Brazil, you've got already, Nogera, Shoga-- Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva and the potential of a fight between Wanderlai Silva and Vidar Balfour, if the scheduling works out. Why exactly do you need Falcayo? Hmm. Yeah. Like, who more can you load onto that card? Yeah. You don't need him for the card. Well, why do you need Roy McDonald on a Toronto card? It just helps. It did a great job, and it was fun. You know? So it helps. I just admit-- But I'm saying I agree with the decision to let him go if he's causing this much of an issue. Yeah. Well, I mean, not until you prove yourself a lot more than he did. He's not above the ax. And speaking of causing issues, Nick Diaz has signed a fight former boxing champion, Jeff Lacey, later this year. Now, Lacey's lost three of his last four fights, but he is a champion level boxer. Mm-hmm. So will not be an easy road for Nick Diaz to go into this. What I find interesting is that Cesar Gracie said that yes, this fight is on unless Dana offers GSP as an alternate sacrifice. [LAUGHTER] So do you think he's just playing a hard ball? Do you think this fight will happen? What are you guys' thoughts on that? I think it's a gutsy tactic. I mean, you got to figure out-- He's not afraid to box this guy. I know that. Oh, yeah. Lacey's no joke. I mean, Lacey's no slouch. Even though he's lost three straight, this guy can actually box, which is going to be a very, very interesting and tough fight for Diaz, because if I recall correctly, which I may not, because I don't know Lacey that well, I believe that Lacey has got the same size and reaches Diaz, which has been a big advantage for Diaz in mixed martial arts, is that he teaches and invites people that don't have his size to reach. Well, his size reach and his grand-chan are basically what this game is so far. Yeah. But for boxers, you're going to fight a guy with the same size and reach and the same changes professionally. Yeah. Because it's not-- And you can't take the fight to the ground or glance to save yourself, that's right. Exactly. So you're going to be taking punches the entire time, and that's not advisable. Would you guys rather see Diaz versus GSP or Diaz triboxing? Diaz, GSP, absolutely. Diaz versus GSP, of course. But the thing is, I don't know if it's a-- like, as far as gutsy tactics you do in trying to muscle Dana? That doesn't work. [LAUGHTER] Dana might just say-- History is shown that doesn't work. Yeah. But go box and see what happens to that. To be fair to Diaz, it isn't his contract, and Dana can't hold it against you for doing something you asked for and got in your contract. I got nothing against Diaz for doing this. I mean, he's hinted in interviews that he's wanted to do this, and he wants to make the money, you know? And if there's going to be more money for him in boxing, I don't know if this fight would be that case. Oh, I can't imagine. Yeah. I mean, there are boxers who make so much money, and they're-- but it's not true that every boxer makes more money than every MMA fighter. I mean, too. No, not anymore. When Diaz is like, well, Pacio and Mayweather make more money than me. Pacio and Mayweather make more money than everybody. Yeah, and GSP makes more than you and Brock Lesnar makes more than you, and Randy Couture made more money than you. Yeah. Like, if you can't compare yourself, like-- Yeah, you're not a Mayweather, my friend, you know? This is really unfortunate. Undefeated strike force heavyweight, Shane Del Rosario was just in a car accident. He's out of his fight with Daniel Cormier coming up next month. I guess he was hit by a woman in the car or whatever, which is just too bad, because I was looking forward to that fight. That was a heavyweight-- well, serious heavyweight card, and he just added to that. We hope that Dolorozaro will get better, because he was such a serious prospect. You know, with MIR, it's shown that you can recover from an accident and still come back and be competitive. It just takes a long time. Yeah, that's right. So that'll-- it'll be very, very telling on Dolorozaro's career over the next couple of years. With that being said, that was going to be a fight on the Grand Prix tournament card, I believe. I don't even know if it was on the main card. You know, like realistically, I didn't tell my manager to be televised, given how much they got on that card. True. Yeah. So. And Dreams May 29th, by for Japan, the big dream comeback show. They just added Shinya Yoki versus Jamie Varnar. Okay. Okay. So I-- and this is like a whole night of Bantamweight fights. Hey, you know-- Bantamweight fights are always exciting. If Dream's going to give it one last go or one last shot for the fences, they're doing it right. And Varnar can put on a really exciting fight, so Varnar's a fun guy to watch. Yeah. Oh, yeah totally. That's right. So that's coming up the end of the month. Maybe we can save Dream if people watch it. And I'll-- For for another, you know, couple weeks, another few weeks. That's on the next financial crisis. And that's pretty much all I got. Well, I think that was about all we really want to discuss. I want to say thank you again for Jerry Langdon for coming on and joining us. You've been listening to 93.3 CFMU. We are the Hammer, and you can find us at the Hammer MMA. And also Addicted MMA.com. Live it. did. Have a good week.
