I love the people... [Music] Hello and welcome to The Hammer. I'm your host, Dave. Join us always by my fellow co-hosts. Greg, how's it going guys? And Steve, hey. And for those of you who are listening to us at home, Greg is very bearded today. Well done, Greg. Yeah, I got the chin strap going. So it is November 24th and we have an excellent show for you as we try to always do. We have the results of UFC 123 and some commentary about the show coming out from there. As well, we have a little statistics package, a little homework project that Steve and I put together, mostly Steve, with a little bit of inspiration for me. I must say the table is very well formatted and aesthetically pleasing. We use the cell and everything. You get an A. So guys, let's start with talking about Rampage vs. Liodo. So this fight happened this Saturday. We have the main event, Quentin Rampage Jackson took on Liodo Machita for basically one of the top spots in the heavyweight division division. Pretty much number one contender, I'd say. Not officially, but that was the thought going in was that this might be the number one case. This might be the number one contender. Maybe not so much anymore. This fight goes to the distance, it goes to the decision, as you might expect. Quinn Jackson surprised us all. I mean, I heard that Machita would out point him and dance around him. Jackson cut the ring off, clinched with him, beat him up, picks up a split decision, 28-29, 29-28. He deserved it. I wouldn't say it was a close fight. It basically came down to who won the first round, because Machita took the third, Rampage took the second. The first round, it was basically Machita threw a couple of like kicks and Rampage clinched and was more aggressive. I didn't like it because I called Machita, but I had Rampage winning this fight, and Dana agreed, and you guys agreed. We all had Rampage winning this fight, and afterwards, a lot of commentators thought that this was a robbery and the Machita was robbed, etc. The robbery of this match, and there was some robbery. The robbery of this match was that one of the judges called this for Liodo Machita, because clearly he did not win the first round. Yeah, he didn't win the first round. Now, it's not just the message board people, too. It's also like even Rampage after the fight, he was like, "Oh man, I thought I was lucky to win that, Machita beat me." See, I was a pride fan back in the day. I loved Pride, and I was a huge fan of Shogun and Wonderland, and to me, Rampage was the enemy. He was the kind of Wonderland Shogun who crushed, so I never really liked Rampage, but I always had a certain amount of respect for his power. And I love what Rampage is. He can go out, and I can call him to win, and he can go out and win, as I called him to do, in the style that I call him the winner, and he can still let me down and disappoint me. That is the power of Rampage. He beats Liodo Machita by the decision, two rounds to one, picks up a win over one of the toughest guys and one of the hardest styles for him to counter. And then he puts Machita on the chest, yells, "You beat me, brother." Then he curled up into a fetal position on the ground. You know what? Rampage has, I think Rampage is the decision. Rampage? I do like Rampage's character. I like this, but he's trying to make things out to be too much of a joke, and I think he's going to humble when it comes to his persona. He's clashing defeat even when he wins. There's a certain point where you've got to say, "Okay, you know what? I won. My opponent fought great. I have tons of respect for Machita, and I would like to fight for the title now." To me, if Queen Rampage jacks in after that tough third round, but after the tough third round, if instead of piling Machita and yells, "You beat me," and then curls up on the ground, if instead he passed Machita and says, "Great fight." He didn't actually curl up on the ground. Yes, he did. He sat right down on the corner of the cage and put his head on his knees. He wasn't in the fetal position, no. That's what the fetal position is, dude. It would ever continue. If instead he holds up his hands and says, "Yeah, I won," then he maybe gets a title shot. Then he gets unanimous decision, in my opinion. I don't see any judge saying that as being-- He's still going to get a title shot. He's still going to get a title shot. And then, because you have to remember that the show got it. You got to get a beta, and then Jones is still here. It's not just that. It's the fact that the show got in Rashad aren't going to fight until at least March or so. And then the title fight between-- it's way off. There's plenty of time, and there's plenty of other guys that want the show. He needs to be someone else. Plus, he just came off a loss to Rashad. He needs one more, but sometimes just going out there and putting on a dominating performance and acting like you won and calling someone out. That goes a long way. He was too humble. And I think that if you say after the fight, "Yo, I had a great plan for Machita. He's a great fighter. He got me with a really good knee, but I tried to fight him off, and my strategy was to clinch with him and beat him up. And I hoped I could get the knock out and sort of let you guys down, but I really did think that I beat him up." Then everyone's going to be like, "You know what? Rampage is a really smart tactical fighter. Maybe he's got a good chance to get your shot." You'd have a lot less guys in the message board probably saying that Dana actually had to come out. First thing he says after the, well, one of the first things after the Tyson Griffin thing at the press conference, he's like, "No, Rampage won that fight. He's not going to be a rematch. Oh, by the way, Rampage and Machita both were like, "Yeah, we'll do a rematch." Dana's got no interest in it. I have no interest in it. And to me, I don't understand why Rampage would want it. Why are you going to throw the dice again against the guy with Machita? You just picked up the win. Take the win and run to the bank. Plus, you do rematches of exciting fights, and that fight was fine, but that fight was not something I need to see. It was fine. It was a fight. Best description you could give to it was that it was fine. It wasn't boring, but it was an amazing thing. Well, I think an important takeaway here is that Jackson came out and he looked, some of the best Jackson we've seen in some time, he was a lot more bad. The best he had to do since. There was a lot more aggressive that we've seen in some time. But the important thing is, this was a Machita that didn't look bad. He looked good for Machita. He fought his style. He fought his style. And Rampage managed to pick up the decision victory. People are starting to crack the Machita code. They're starting to learn that there's a vulnerability to clinches and to light kicks and to being held against the cage that any great striker has. And the problem with Machita and his very elusive style is it's very, very easy to drop points if you go to the decision. So, if he picks up the knockout with a Crown of Counterpontry, picks up his admission, he's going to win. But if you deny him that, you can easily out point this guy. If you go to the decision, if you're an aggressive fighter and you go to the decision, you have a very, very good chance of winning the fight. So, this is what I call, I think. They haven't said officially yet. But I would like to see Rampage face the winner of Jones and Bader for a title shot. The Machita can get the winner of Forest and Franklin. Something like that. There's so many options. You've got a lot of fighters, you've got a lot of options, and they're all good fighters and deserving fighters. Anyway, this works out. It doesn't really bother you. You've got four guys that are really near the top. This is six guys, really. Because you've got Rampage, Liodo, Franklin, Forest Griffin, Bones and Bader. And you've got Phil Davis sitting in the wings. Too far away, but he's not completely out of contention. You can make a fight with him, and you've got Thiago Silva somewhere around coming off an injury. Let's keep the title talk to those persons. The light heavyweight division has always been deep, and it continues to be done. You've got a lot of guys that you can match up with each other. For sure. So, I mean, there's fights to be made of this that don't involve Rampage and Machita 2. I agree. So, I don't think we're going to see it. Now, we go to the section fight of the card. Matt Hughes versus BJ Penn. I'd called Matt Hughes coming into this. I thought he looked great. I don't crow a lot here, but you guys were saying that, "Oh, Hughes has been working on his stand-up." I'm like, "Yeah, but it's BJ Penn." And the fight ended. Twenty-one seconds of knock-out. I swear I cannot make this up. We were watching the fight together. BJ Penn walked out. I looked at one, took one, looked at BJ Penn's face as he did his walk-out. His enormously square-round head. His enormously square-round head is completely symmetrical. I looked at BJ's expression. I said, "Oh my gosh, they're called BJ." He's going to kill somebody, yeah. I was worried too. When I saw him, I'm like, "He hasn't looked this ready." He hasn't looked this intense. He didn't look that great. Either of the two Frankie Edgar fights. He did not look that intense. He walked in here with something improved. He didn't even hug or say goodbye to the guys in his corner. As they typically do, there was no slacking the back or patting. No, he pushed those guys out of the way, stormed into the ring, walked over to the corner. His corner man, off from the water bottle, he slapped it away and waited for Hughes. And knocked him off. And then ran down the aisle way out of the octagon and up the wrist in a good way. Yes. And that's old school BJ. BJ used to do that way back when he was like a knockout killer. If I'm GSP and I pass cost check, I'm a little worried now. Well, they announced off of Dana during the post-fight press conference. He said that he's pulling Fitch from the Ella Booker fight. It's Fitch BJ Pan. Oh, a great way to get rid of Fitch. Hey, you know what? I call that as an airborne contenders fight. I definitely agree. Definitely. And my thing was this. If Fitch managed to beat BJ Pan... Especially because Fitch didn't kill him. Yeah. If Fitch beats BJ legit, he deserves it. Absolutely. He deserves that knowledge. Absolutely. He deserves that shot with GSP. If BJ is the number four rank guy, pound for pound in the world, Fitch is the number five rank guy, pound for pound for the world, these two guys deserve to fight. And the BJ Pan that was there on Saturday night, I wouldn't take anyone over that BJ Pan and maybe the exception of GSP. Yeah. And it would be close. You know, like, this is a fight I want to see. My favorite part of this story, though, is we are not going to see Fitch and Shields. Oh, thank God. Well, I'm hoping. But I think that's further down the line, because I want that to be for the title shot. So I'm hoping... You can see GSP, Beach Cost Check, and then Shields Beach GSP, and then Fitch beats BJ Pan. You can see that by it. Or if Fitch beats BJ, then Fitch beats GSP, we could see Fitch versus Shields. I don't even want to entertain the possibility. Five rounds of bliss. I think we ought to move on. I don't want to entertain the possibility. So we go with moving on then. Falkayo Gonklelds makes a ZOC debut against Geralt Harris. This one, both guys are finishers, so it was kind of a natural thing that we go to. Okay. Falco is not just a finisher. He is a guy who's finished 23 out of 24 of his fights. He's a shoebox guy. I mean... They're known for their brutal style. He was very relaxed in the first round, very calm. Except for when he exploded. Exploded? Exploded at the end. Almost killed Harris. He almost had him in a brutal, very naked show. He had a light speed button on his back. That was ridiculous. He had a brutal, very naked show. Harris got saved by the bell. The ref had to pull Falkayo off. Falkayo is known for this. He always needs to get pulled off. He goes after guys like it's something personal. Well, sort of. I mean, the first three minutes of the fight, he did nothing. He stood there. And then he woke up. He waited for an opening. Yeah, but the second he got that opening, he wasn't letting that good show go come hell on high water or the bell. Bell? No, I'm not letting that go. And then afterwards, he made a comment that his internal clock said there was still seconds left on the round. Unfortunately, the time clickers. And the ref does go by the internal clock of Falkayo. Yeah. Falkayo in the second round, again, very relaxed. Harris now looking worried and beat up. Falkayo exploded on. The second got an opportunity. They went back to relaxing. Then in the third round, in true sheet box style, as you'd expect from electrolyte Silva of the devastating 23-fight win streak in pride in Shogun rule of the soccer kick all fame. Falkayo says, "You know what? I've got two rounds. I got in the bag." I'm just going to chill. And he just stopped fighting. And then Harris said, "That was unbelievable." And then Harris said, "You know what? Every time I go after this guy, he explodes on me and beats me up. I'm going to stop fighting too." Yeah. So for five minutes, they stood in the middle of the ring, looked at each other, and went to the world. Okay. I had the feeling that Harris was the key. I kept going into strike. But when he didn't have an opening, he would hesitate. You could see it in his head. He was hoping for an opportunity and not getting it. Yeah. He wasn't going to take chances. He wasn't going to take any chances. He didn't get the guy who almost killed him twice. And Falkayo was like, "You know what? I'm not going to give any chances. I'm just going to keep my hands up and keep moving back." And Harris was like, "You know what? I'm not going to give this guy a chance to finish me by a more decisive way. Let's just take the decision." So this was a really boring 15-minute fight with maybe 30 seconds of awesome explosiveness. Yeah, about 14 minutes of boring and a minute of fun. And someone paid the price for this, right? Gerald Harris? Cut. Really? Yeah, he got cut for it. They can't cut to Falkayo. After a win. I would not have cut Harris. Harris has this factor. Hey, Harris has a couple of highlight real KOs. He had one bad performance. I think they cut him pretty much. I mean, he was going after Falkayo and every time he did, he got punished. And in the third round, he was too beat up and he was like, "You know what? I'm not going to let this guy kill me." Yeah, I feel for the guy getting cut. I don't think he deserves that. I don't think he deserves that. This isn't Harris to deserve this. Falkayo probably does after this performance, but he picked up the win. Yeah. And I mean, he definitely got beat up on by Silva and by Dana White after this. Yeah, sure. They were like, "Look, if you even come out like shoot box, you better come out like shoot box. He wants you to knees to the head." Yeah. Not this five minutes of holding hands and skipping. Alright, what's the answer? Phil Davis by Tim Beauch. Phil Davis looked very impressive in the first round. Bullied both around. And the second round got to top position, came up with a modified Kimura. It's now called the Wonderful Kimura because it was invented by Mr. Wonder. It's called the Mr. Wonderful, which isn't a weird name, but this is kind of long. This move actually got named after him because no one else has done it before as far as anyone sits in the arm underneath him and then Kimura don't come underneath. It was pretty cool. It was a mission of the night. You get a move. You get $8,000 and you get a move with a move named after you. Sutteropolis takes on Lozon. Great fight. Fight in the night actually. Yeah, deserving. The second round for Silphal Gefai the night. Lozon exploded in the first round, really kicked the Sutteropolis around. I didn't think Lozon was going to be able to hang with him. Looks like Lozon spent too much for that five minutes to glory. And that first round he didn't have to fly. I mean, Lozon didn't own the entire first round. No, I think he won it, but I think it was close and it was excellent. Yeah, so Soto outclass Joe Lozon. I think he's better than Joe Lozon, but I think Joe Lozon is good enough to have taken that first round, but just yeah, he gassed. He totally gassed. I think putting as much as himself to go above Sutteropolis in the first round cost him too much overall. Yeah. He didn't keep enough for the swim back is what it comes out to. Yeah, I have to give both of those guys credit because they won Fight of the Night with a submission battle. In the second round. In the second round. In the second round finish. Yeah. That doesn't happen very often. We fight them all the way. Fight of the nights are usually amazing, you know, decisions or third rounders or whatever, but this was a second round finish, a submission battle and still got Fight of the Night. Yeah, I'm actually surprised. Sutteropolis looked amazing. He always does. He said what seven and no one the UFC seven or eight and they've announced the Australian card that he really wanted to get on. He's getting Dennis Seaver. Yeah. Well, there's no one else. Yep. Seaver is an up and cover though. And Seaver is exciting. I think it'll be exciting. Sutteropolis is exciting. This means he's not a win streak of one. The problem with this is that with all the WBC guys coming in is too premature to say oh, this guy's title title is this title, they've got to sort out who's got the titles. Yeah. Because you've got four guys that are in the title fights right now, you've got to get rid of three of them and then you can start talking about Sutteropolis for a title. Yeah. Now, Sutteropolis is on the short list, but the problem is that short list is a really long list now because it's two companies long. Yeah. Well, I think given better scheduling, I think Sutteropolis would have had a more higher profile opponent, but I mean, he'll beat Seaver and then he'll go and they'll give him someone who's really in the mix and he's going to get his title shot. He beat Seaver and we have an actual champion now, like Frankie Edgar beats Maynard and then beats Bendo, Sutteropolis is going to get the next shot. Boy, that would be here for now and Sutteropolis would be ready. Sutteropolis in the next year is having a title shot as long as he doesn't lose in devastating fashion with a servicemen kick. I think he'll have the Seaver fight, but I think he'll have another fight before he gets the title shot. I agree. But I think if he keeps his winning ways going, we look for Sutteropolis to be challenging for that title. And honestly, I'm calling him to win it prematurely. I think he's got a really good skill set against any one of those four guys. I think if he's up against Bendo, it'll be interesting, but that'll be a fantastic fight. I hope Bendo comes out with the balance. And this is very hypothetical and very far in the future. Yeah, for sure. So let's move on. Now we go forward to the Spike TV card. Matt Brown versus Ryan, Brian Foster, these guys came with the final. Foster looked amazing, kicked Brown around like nothing else and got a submission with a guillotine and two minutes and eleven seconds. Greg was really happy, not just because he picked Foster, but Foster looked good. Oh, yeah. He's nominated. He's on my radar now, for sure. I mean, to take this fight on short notice and to just win it in the fashion, Matt Brown's not, you know, a big huge-- He's no sludge. He's no sludge. His record's not that great, but he's not, you know, so I was just happy Foster won and he looked great in the fight. Simpson versus Munoz, this is a very technical battle. Both guys were swinging hard, but they also did a lot of grappling, a lot of clinches. I found this fight boring. It wasn't the most exciting fight, but it was a real battle between two wrestlers who both respect each other's power, 29-20, 29-20, 29-20, you know, it was the only decision for Munoz. Looks very strong. I think he's going to be moving back up the card with this win. Simpson didn't look bad. I don't think he's caught yet, but two losses in a row. You better take it off. It's not good. Yeah. He's in a bit of trouble. Now, with someone who did get cut, Karo Prizin in the prelim card, Dennis Hommen clubbed them half the death at one minute, forty-seven seconds in the first round. Is that the worst performance you've seen all year? It might have been the worst. It's up there, yeah. You looked flat. Out of shape, unfocused, and this is after he insisted that he comes out in the dark with no music to combat his anxiety. So after he's putting all this pressure on the SC to accommodate him and they do, and then he gets crushed. Goodbye, co-caro. Dana has caught him. Dana has caught him and said that he's done. He caught him during the post-fight press conference. I never happened. He's like, "Oh, yeah. Karo's gone." [laughter] More is kept secret right there. Yeah. He's played a couple of days. Nope, not this time. Paul Kelly picked up a TKO via elbows over TJ O'Brien. This one was actually kind of a fun fight. Fairly impressive. Kind of look good. Tyson Griffin picked up a disability decision lost on the cleanse. That's a contested fight. The people who were there in the arena and watching the fight on the internet afterwards. One judge gave this fight thirty to twenty-seven for when Tyson Griffin sang that this was his fight all three rounds. Some very, very respected commentators have also said that they thought Griffin won all three rounds. Including Dana White, who said that Griffin got screwed and that he's not firing Griffin for his third loss in a row. Oh, absolutely not. And then Nick Lenz, who was in danger getting caught, picks up the win with his split decision. This fight was... Nick Lenz is teflon. He's John Madsen. Yeah, this fight, they didn't even air it. There's issues. And the only fight they didn't air. Yep. And the last fight that we want to mention, Edson Barbosa takes on Mike Lullo. They're calling Barbosa the second coming of Jose Aldo, which I think is funny because Jose Aldo has not made his first coming yet, and he's got to live in the USA for the weight chain. Barbosa's looking good, though. He's someone to like it. Barbosa leg kicked Mike Lullo so hard that he didn't fall down. He fell up. He kicked him in the leg so hard. He launched the guy. Yeah. This guy is something to watch. Knockout via leg kick at twenty-six seconds into round three. This was not a contested knockout. This was clear that this guy was done. He got his leg just obliterated. Every kick he was getting fallen over. So Barbosa, very, very brutal leg kicks. He's a tall, rangey, lightweight. These are the guys that can generate a lot of torque. Look for him to make some waves and lightweight. I can't wait till his next fight. The next year, he just makes sense. I can't wait till his next fight. I want to see what he can do again. I've got one quick bit of news. Jose Aldo is injured. He is not going to beat it. His title fight was crispy is out. He's got some compressed vertebrae or something. He's only going to be able for a few months. But apparently he's had this first last two fights and is finally going to go get a look at it. They're making him. He doesn't want to. He didn't want to admit it. They made him take this some doctors' tasks and the doctor did verify that two of his vertebraes are passed together. So with two vertebraes pressed together, you've got to take a month off to rehab. That's all he's taking. He's taking a month with a pretty much broken spine. Yeah. That's a pretty serious injury. I have two vertebraes to get together. They say a month or something else. And he'll be back in the game in no time. So I'm hoping by March. So yeah, I'm hoping this is no lingering injury though because this is a back. I mean, you can never know with a back. Like this could haunt him as a whole career. This is a back injury that affects his arm. Yeah. Yeah. So we go forward to our homework project. We want to talk about this for a little bit. Now a lot of people have sent us some mails about how the fights this year have been a little bit boring. Now, we didn't want to just take your word for it. We want to work to verify that and make sure that the fights actually were boring. So Steve and I pulled all the stats for all the fights from 2007 to 2010. Now in 2007, the UFC put on 171 fights, 171. That's a lot less than they'll do this year. Yes. 60 of those fights went to decision. So 35% of the fights in 2007 went to decision with 54 KOs and 54 submissions. The big number there is 35% of UFC fights in 2007 were decisions. Yes. So less than half. Less than only a third of the fights. Now you take this year, 2010, 2010 so far, keeping in mind that this is late November and there's only two cards left. Of the 15 events, the UFC has put on two hundred, well including a couple of fight nights. There's been 230 fights, 108 went to decision, 47%, 61 knockouts, 58 submissions. So the knockouts and the submissions did not change. But the percentage of decisions went way up. Yeah. Everyone decided to end their fight by decision this year. Now another significant number here is that if you look at just the main card fights at the last 15 UFC events, so not fight nights, not, you know, ultimate fighters, just the UFC numbered events from UFC 108 to UFC 123, 75 fights, 43 of them went to decision. That's 57%. Yeah. So for the guys that you expect to be the leaders of the company, the top fighters. They're all going to decision. They're going to decision more and more often now. They're going way more than the lower card cards. This doesn't necessarily state that these are boring fights, we're just saying that these are decision fights. Oh there could be amazing decisions. There could be, there could be amazing decisions. They've been amazing decisions. Most of the nights wind up being decisions. Because they get 15 minutes to be honest. To say that, I mean, it's not necessarily a boring trend but it is a trend towards more decision fights. It's an interesting trend because we're seeing a lot more decision fights. Now yes, you can have great decision fights, but you can also have bad decision fights. And the thing is, in any sport, a lot of times defense wins. So if you're playing football, soccer or baseball, your defense is going to win. You win your football game on your D line. You win your soccer game on your goalie. You win your hockey game on your goalie. You win your baseball game when you're pitching and you're fielding. That's the way you win. That's what you win playoffs. So many fighters now are choosing to minimize risk, to not take risk, to wall install, to land print, and to go for decisions and go for point victories. And to me, the two most telling guys of this, Anderson Silva, the best overall finisher in the world. Yep. I agree with that. I'm arguably the best pound for pound fighter in the world against Damian Meyer, who's not even on the pound for pound list, nowhere even close Anderson Silva's class. Anderson Silva got enough points to get the win and then just stopped fighting for 10 minutes. I don't think I think this was more of him. I think this is more of him being a clown rather than him being safe because I mean there was no possible way Meyer was going to finish him at that point. I think it was just still being a clown. Yeah. The real issue is the real, like what people are talking about, people are saying when John Fitch takes the guy down, lies on him, Rashad Evans in the Rampage Jackson fight. Yeah. People are incorrectly saying that GSP is becoming a lay in prayer. GSP. That's not true at all. GSP's last two fights against two comp strikers have been, he's chosen to minimize risk. And GSP himself has said he's a smart fighter. He doesn't take risks. He's not going to get someone a chance to get a Matt Sarah Hail Mary knockout. He's going to fight smart. But he's always fought smart. Yes. It's not like it's a change. He just fought, so he, I mean, Dan Hardy, he should have tapped out Dan Hardy. I don't know how hard he was able to withstand those arm bars. He should have tapped out Dan Hardy. And Tiago Alves was just so big, GSP did dominate him, but Tiago Alves was just so big and GSP hurt his groin halfway through the match. But you can argue whether or not GSP has come up with boring decisions, but you have to give the fact that he's going to decision with these two guys. Oh, yeah. And then if you look at Rampage and Fitch, I'm sorry, I shot and Fitch, these two guys are going to decision. Rashad. Oh, yeah. Two clear attempts at a decision fight against Rampage and Tiago Silva, where he chose not to go for finishes. He was going to try to wrestle it and Fitch in his last nine fights as it finished once. Jake Shields, the UFC's hot acquisition, in his last six fights, hasn't finished once. Yeah. The problem with this is that you see these, like whenever you have these decisions that don't really go anywhere to lay in prayers, it costs, I understand it's to win a fight, but it also costs them fans. People, like, I know my brother, just as a personal anecdote, he won't watch a card that has Jon Fitch on it because he knows it's not going to be a good fight. I won't either unless, well, I have to because we're going to comment on it. Otherwise, I won't. Well, literally for the last month, we've made jokes about the nightmare of a Fitch versus Shields fight, which is now entirely possible. This could be one of the most terrible fights in the history of a fight. So, here's where the issue is, is that you've got like one really bad decision can turn somebody off, like one really boring decision can turn somebody off of MMA almost completely. If they flip to the TV seat on a fight night, or I'm not into this, this is boring. On the other hand, what do you do to combat this? Do you do yellow cards? Do you do ref warnings? Well, you don't do anything to combat it. You do what Dana's doing to combat it, and you have the matches. Bonuses aren't working. Bonuses aren't working, but punishing Fitch by having him knock at a title shot in face B.J. Pan. I think that's going to work. The U.C. is definitely doing what it can administratively in terms of withholding bonuses in terms of preventing title shots, but there is there, what I would suggest is the appropriate thing to do is keep in mind that passivity is a punishable offense and aggression is a rule. These are not exceptions. That's true. A fight. A fight is entitled. That's a rule. A life is entitled to dock you a point. Now, if you look at the Gon Calves fight, Falkeo versus Heron. A point should have been docked. If the ref says after a minute of Falkeo not engaging, says warning, and then after two more minutes, says, I'm ducking you a point, then you ref from a 29 to 28, it's a 28 to get a draw. No, U.F.C. refs, don't do that. So this, we think we should. It's in the rules. Do it. This is something that should be done. That's not the U.F.C.'s position. That's the referee's position. They're not U.F.C. refs. They're athletic commission refs. They should be refing based on the rules, and the rules are punished for passivity. The rules are, if you are not aggressive in a fight, you can be docked a point. And I think that it comes point where if you say, hey, you're not engaging, point. Even if it's in silver versus Damien Maya, why didn't he get docked at least three points? Yeah. I agree. You know, why didn't he get docked a point and said, hey, if you don't engage, after we docked you a point, we're going to deque you the fight, and we're going to take your belt. You know, after he, if he tells him with that, then he's going to come up with a knockout, guaranteed. Yeah. As much as he can, the refs need to step in and start calling the fights properly when it comes to this. I mean, they do it. Most of them do a great job, but this specific aspect, this specific aspect, it needs to be addressed. Definitely. And we, I've said before, the problem with you with, with mixed martial arts is we don't have the best refs yet because it's such a new sport, and most of them aren't growing up watching it. We've got a couple now, but you can't give a guy four minutes against the cage if he's holding onto a leg for two minutes, and he's not coming up with anything, break it up. They're starting to break guys up from the cage more. And that's something that I've noticed, which is good. The lay in prey, though, is more difficult because, I mean, you have to advance your position if they are working, like if they're, because Fitch, I mean, he lay in praise, but he still, he still works, you know, so that's a, that's a gray area and that's, yeah, exactly. So you can't talk a point based on that, but the, the Falco fight and pushing up against the cage like the couture vera fight, that was something that was a bit of an annoyance. And, and I think breakups should have happened a bit more frequently in that fight. But with, with the lay in prey, I mean, that's really, really difficult to control. I mean, that's what makes it such a big problem with Fitch and, and to lesser extent shields because you can't, and so on and starting to work more so on and so last two fights were excited. He was nonstop working against Anderson Silver. Like I'm not going to. I'm not going to hold that. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Son and, but I'm not going to hold that against him because he's actually tried to do some work here. But Fitch and Fitch specifically, I mean, it, it's something that you can't really combat unless you just, well, Dana's combating it by putting him against BJ Penn and hopefully Penn, I hope. But the problem with that is like, what a Fitch beats BJ Penn just says, okay, the solution that has a terribly boring fight was to put him with Tyson Griffin will run his beat Tyson Griffin. Then you dodge the ball. Then you dodge the bully. Fitch already has earned himself another title shot at GSP of beats, beat J Penn, you have to give it to him. Regardless of how boring the fight is. He beats BJ Penn. Eventually it's not sport anymore if you don't do that. Yeah, for sure. Well, I think we're trying to run out of time and we want to go through this topic. So give us your opinions. Check us out. We're at 93.3 C F M U and you can also find us at the hammer MMA dot com. Do you also think Fitch should be fired? Well, not just that. What do you think the solution is to two made decision fights? Do you think it's a bad thing even because some people like decision fights? Yes, some people do. They're so insane. I have no problem with decision fights as long as they're exciting. 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