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Not only that, so then he decides, hey, you know what, I'm going to then with my 77 or with the receptions for 108 yards, I'm going to then break the year old, just a year old record. So opposite ends of the spectrum. Pooka Nakua last year, he beat his 105 reception for a rookie. That's every position. So wide receivers tight ends everything in the third quarter yesterday. And that was that record stood for just one season. But that shows you just the kind of season that Brock Bowers has. Just to put it into perspective, Mo, he's sixth in the league in receiving overall. His first, Jamar Chase was 1612 yards. Jefferson, Justin Jefferson, the bike is 1479 yards. To compare him to another wide receiver that gets a lot of credit, even though his team has had a really bad year, CD lamb has just 20 more yards receiving than Brock Bowers does. Mo, when we talked about this on draft night and we talked about subsequent months, Brock Bowers, he may be listed as a tight end, but he really is on offensive Swiss army knife. And I think this year shows how valuable he can be because you can move him all over the field, use him in the slot, use him out wide, use him as an H back, use him as even in the back field as a running back sometimes. This guy, I think the limits to his ability, we have not seen yet. And it's going to be fun to watch, but talk about your impression of Brock Bowers. And we knew he was going to be good, but man, he has far exceeded any expectations anyone had for him. Speaking of yourself, Scott, one of my takes on draft night, age like fine wine, I think we had chip towers on. And chip towers and I were saying, Brock Bowers is going to be a whole thing when you were like, up the breaks. And chip towers, lady down for everyone. And credit to chip towers for coming on our show and just giving the skinny on Brock Bowers and what he does best. And he basically said, you know, if things, we asked him what can Brock Bowers work on? And he was one of those, it was one of those situations where it's like, if you're nitpicking, I guess, I mean, people criticize his blocking. And I tried to dispel those notions. Now, he's going to be known for his past catching. He talked about the records he broke. He also broke the Raiders franchise record for catches in the season, which is on by Darren Waller from 2020 campaign. So on draft night, I said straight out, he's going to be asked to catch the football. And he's going to be valuable. And he's going to be a value in that, in that area. Now, he became more valuable once Devonta Adams acts for a trade. And that's what boosted his numbers. Not to say that Brock Bowers wouldn't have been great. Devonta has was there, but you have to understand Devonta Adams was there. A lot of those targets that would have gone to Brock Bowers probably also, you know, he's splitting those with Devonta Adams. So got a boost from the Devonta Adams trade. But nonetheless, you can still see he's going to be a multi-time all-pro in this league. He should be an all-pro this year. I made a strong case that he deserves strong consideration for offensive rookie year, though I do acknowledge that Jayden Davis should be the front runner. The guy is making game-winning plays almost on an every other week basis. So Jayden Davis is probably going to win it. Play is a more important position. But you can't overlook what Brock Bowers has done. I think I had to look this up, but I'm pretty sure he has broken more records than Jayden Daniels when it comes to individual performances. So Brock Bowers is the guy you're building around in your offense. Of course, the Raiders, you know, still have a need at why a receiver in my opinion on the outside. They got you Kubermires there, Trey Tucker there. But Trey Tucker's not a high-value receiver. You still want a wide receiver there, but you're building that offense now going forward about Brock Bowers. Now, now, Mo, I mean, listen, more is always better than less, right? So let me ask you this, this theoretical question, though, because yes, you have examples of it, for example, in Cincinnati where at least for this season, because I think he'll be gone next season, but you have T. Higgins. You have Jamal Chase, right? You have two guys who could technically be the number one receivers on NFL team. With Brock Bowers and his ability with the Raiders, does that make finding a quote-unquote number one receiver meaning that high draft pick, high money? Can you go a little bit less than that? Can you get a guy who's maybe a tweener between a one and a two and not be as concerned with finding that big guy on the outside or or would you still do that? You can go get a guy who's not necessarily a one. Just don't paint him while receiving one money. Exactly. Just make sure the money matches what that player is. So, if you're going to go out and get T. Higgins, he's probably going to make the most money among the free agent wide receivers. So he's going to have a bunch of offers. I've already read the Patriots are willing to go all in on bringing him to New England to help Drake May. So, the Patriots are probably going to be willing to outbid most teams for T. Higgins if he does hit the free agent market. But if you're the Raiders, you're not, you're not saying, oh, we, we must get T. Higgins. It'd be great to have T. Higgins and Brock Bowers don't get me wrong. But because you have Brock Bowers when he's able to do with three starting quarterbacks, by the way, that's the other reason Brock Bowers has been so impressive. He did it with three backup. He did with three, what we would call back of quarterback. Yeah, Garner mentioned he had anal collar head desperate and still broke all these records. So, with the with the wide receiver position, it is a it is a need. But is it a top priority? I would say no. Again, you can build this thing around Brock Bowers and by the way, Jacoby Myers is pretty good. So he was a number one and Jacoby Myers wasn't number one wide receiver in New England struggled to get in the end zone. But still a a quality wide out at the visit, probably wide out and you can go for it with a Brock Bowers Jacoby Myers combination and bring in or draft a wide receiver and develop that wide receiver behind those two and still be fun. Yeah, that that's why I brought that up because I think if I'm Tom Telesco, you know, the Raiders have so many other needs and we talk about, of course, need number one being quarterback, but they want to strengthen offensive line. They got to strengthen defensive line. They have all needs on defense too. So to me, it's great as a GM. I know they have a lot of money, but don't let that throw you out there just because you have a lot of money doesn't you have to spend it all on certain people and big name people and big dollar people. But I think that drafting, I think in this day and age, drafting young wide receivers, and you hit on some of them and some of them, you don't, right? But I think that there's more opportunity there with Brock Bowers there that gives you, I think, pause to go after and not that they would get them. But T Higgins, I have to pay top dollar for a wide out when you can go get one in the college ranks, knowing that you have a guy who's already almost going to have 1200 yards, I believe, by the end of next week as a tight end slash whatever you want to call him. So to me, that's great. I mean, it gives you the opportunity to build around your team to do other things with that money, especially with some high profile positions like quarterback that you need to address. You also need to get young running back. All that stuff, to me, it just gives Tom Telesco and the Raiders the opportunity to do that. When you look and you mentioned the quarterback situation with Brock Bowers, that's what blows my mind, Mo. And I was watching the game and I'm thinking to myself, and again, what ifs, we're not playing in what ifs, but if you think about it, if they would have gotten a Jaden Daniels, if they would have gotten a Drake May or a Michael Pennics junior who played pretty well as a green rookie in the NFL, can you imagine what Brock Bowers would have done? Now, again, you mentioned the Devontai Adam trades that certainly helped him with targets, but can you imagine what he would do with a very dynamic athletic quarterback that can wheel and deal a little more than we've seen from the Raiders? He probably could have been in the running for the triple crown receiving title. Now, Jamar Chase is going for that title right now because I believe he's leading exception is Jarr and touchdown. But if without a top, without a bona fide number one wide receiver and your Brock Bowers is your top option, it's possible he could have went for that triple crown of the title, which you did incredible. So you would hope that the Raiders can find an upgrade at the quarterback position. I'm guessing we're going to get into that conversation later, Scott. There are a lot of people out there who feel like, "Ain't no college should be the guy next year." Now, that's, again, we'll get into that, but I think with Brock Bowers, you're looking at a 1,500 yard season if they had a better quarterback situation, a more stable quarterback situation. Agree, 100%. And to your point about quarterback in Jaden Daniels, and we saw it Sunday night with that comeback win, right? I mean, what he was able to do, that pass, first of all, the Earth's catch was amazing. But that, I was sitting there watching with some friends of mine, the window in which Jaden Daniels, through that pass, was unbelievable. And of course, Jaden Daniels set a record too. It was more than 100 yards rushing and three touchdown passes in the same game for a rookie quarterback never happened before, first time in NFL history, right? So again, quarterback play, you can win with a good quarterback, but to elevate your team, you've seen what's happened and why, I don't think people are talking about Washington enough, frankly, because what the turnaround you've seen, why Mo, again, they didn't go out and spend a crapload on free agency. They got the quarterback, they got the coach, right, who brought in a good staff. And man, look now, again, division I get, but look how they've turned things around there. And I think that's another example doesn't always work out, but that's another example of how, of what the Raiders need to look at and how fast, because a lot of you out there don't think the Raiders can turn, oh, it's going to be three years, you can turn it around in a season or two, at most, if you make all the right moves. And that's really what it's going to come down to, most going to come down to what this organization does in this offseason. I know people have been saying, well, you've been saying that for 25 years, maybe, but now with what we're seeing in the NFL, what the Raiders do have on that roster, they can do it quickly. It's just the decisions that have to fall like dominoes. Absolutely. And taking the Washington situation as an example, they don't have a perfect roster. No, even last night, they had two offensive linemen go down and still win that football game. So I know a lot of people would say the Raiders shouldn't wait to get their quarterback until they build the rest of the roster. No, no, if you can get the quarterback of the future, get him now, because Washington didn't have a top offensive line, they have one reliable wide receiver in Terry McQuarran. And he didn't have a great game last night. He didn't have a great game Sunday night. It was the kids who was catching a lot of the passes. Zach Urts, who Zach Urts who caught two touchdown passes, Zach Urts is 34 years old. So they didn't have a young, spry tight end. They didn't, they don't have a bunch of wide receivers. They don't have a top tier offensive line. Their defense wasn't even great this year. Right. They had the trade a lot of more. And when they got him, he missed a couple of games. So this team was far from perfect. And they still, they get the quarterback, still get to the playoffs, win what 11 games. So for the people out there, I say, oh, wait to get the quarterback until it's near perfect. Nope. Get the quarterback now, because it could change your future right away to get the quarterback and the coach. Yeah. And people will argue, well, there's no Jaden Daniels in this draft. Yeah, you don't know that. I mean, listen, I like Jaden Daniels. He was my favorite coming out. You guys know, because you listened to the show. But I will tell you that, that if you believe it from an organizational standpoint, that one of those guys, I'm not saying they do, but if they do, then you go get that guy as much as you can, or at least you try, but you're right. Mo, the quarterback turns everything around. If you don't believe that, then you're not watching a lot of football. And I'm not criticizing. I'm saying that if you watch football, you see it. And I'll use the example too of rosters not perfect, but how the quarterback changes thing. There's been a lot of narrative this year about CJ Stroud, one of our favorite guys here on the show. Well, he's fallen back. He's not as good as he was last year. Yeah, his offensive line is terrible, terrible. I mean, he's, I think there was one game he got sacked eight times. Okay. But they're still in the playoff hunt. Why? Because he's a good quarterback. He's had no, all his wide receivers have been injured, brutally injured. And he still has them right there on the playoff cusp, right? And they could even host a game in the playoffs. And their roster is not perfect. So I agree with him. Oh, great, great point, man. Great point. And I know this is a radar show, right? So this is a sore subject, right? And if you don't want to go to the extreme example of Jane Daniels, look at, look at, look at within the division, with the Denver Broncos. Yeah, they had to let go of Russell Wilson. So they were, they were kneecapped with their, with their cap space, they have limited cap space. They let go of a bunch of guys. There was, there was turnover there. So they didn't, Denver Broncos didn't have a perfect roster. But guess what? They're one went away from getting into the playoffs and having 10 wins. Now, you can quibble about the quality of wins. But the point is you're, if you're the Raiders and you're a Raider fan, I assume you are listening to the show, you don't care how you get to the playoffs. You just want to get there because then when you start winning football games, it starts to change a losing culture to say we can now get to the playoffs and we can build on this. Denver Broncos had a far from a perfect situation. But guess what? They got the head coach position, right? They bring in bow nicks and look at where they're headed toward the playoffs in January. Yeah, I do find it funny though, that I see a lot of people criticizing who the Broncos have beaten. I also see that a lot from people who are criticizing the Chargers. Well, they had the second easy schedule, but those same people are defending Antonio Pearson. Well, if he wins three in a row, you beat crappy teams. It's the same argument. You can't, you can't in both ways. You can't in both ways. All right, we're going to take our final break here on Silver and Black today, the Tuesday edition. We come back. We're getting to your calls as usual on the Raider nation mailbag. We'll see what people have to say across the nation, not only Raider nation, but the United States will find out, by the way, it is New Year's Eve. So happy new year to you and yours since we will not be around tomorrow on the year's day. Make sure again, I remind people this every year around the holidays, you're going out and having a good time. Do not drive. Okay, there's too many reasons to to to not do that. 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