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And if you're on YouTube, don't forget to like and or subscribe. Welcome fellas to another True Tuesday episode. Today's episode, man, is it may sound familiar. We actually talked about something similar earlier this year, episode 48 to be exact. Where Richard Slayman, 62 year old man, had a pig kidney transplant. And unfortunately, he passed away a few months afterwards. Well, last month, Tawana Looney became the fifth person in the world to receive another transplant, animal transplant. She's from Alabama, and out of all the participants that have had this procedure done, she happens to be the most, the least sick. She's actually, she was in the best condition out of all the other recipients to receive the transplant. Now, since getting the transplant, this freed her from eight years of dialysis. To Tawana, she felt like this was a new way of a new beginning, which I can imagine, going through dialysis for eight years, and then all of a sudden having to stop, definitely is life-changing for her. And I'm excited for Tawana, and I'm hoping that it's successful, and she's able to continue life for a very long time. Now, unfortunately, everyone else that has done this has passed away within two to three months of having the procedure done. So with knowing that information right there, that would have made me somewhat skeptical to even go through with it, but again, knowing that this is your only opportunity to possibly extend your life, I probably would have gone through with it as well. I'm saying, I don't know if she had a timeframe, if the doctors had given her a timeframe as far as how much longer she had to live or not, which is what possibly prompted her to make the decision, but like I said, if this was my only choice of extending my life, I probably would have gone along with it as well. - So was this liver or kidney on this one? - This was kidney. - Kidney, okay. Yeah, the other one's kidney as well. So how long she's been after, she's been like eight weeks now, right? How long have you said it was? Well, it was right after Thanksgiving. So not eight weeks. Yeah, it's about six weeks now. - I got a question. Okay, money. - Yes, sir. - So what's the nationality of her? What's her nationality? - She's black. Okay, now, the first person that you did to show on, what was his nationality? - He was Caucasian. He was white. - Okay. - I think a lot of stuff was tied to that blood type. - I thought that dude was black. - Oh, yeah, I'm still with blood type and because our genes are different, you know, Caucasian, black. I mean, we have stuff that they don't have, we have melatonin, right? - Yeah. - I really would like to see the outcome. She did it right after Thanksgiving, so that's a good, what, five weeks? I really wanna see. - Well, she went in to surgery just before, but she got out, you know, I guess it was over right after. - Yeah, so with about five weeks, I would like to see this next month, 'cause that'll be two months at the end of next month. - Well, she won't be going home until three months after the surgery, man, she's our age. She's been three years old, getting from Alabama. I was wondering, and I'm not even trying to be funny when I say this, you know, Freddie G.U. asked the ethnicities of the participants and her being black. You know, we, black people eat a lot of pig, so you think with us consumed with a lot of pig, that, you know, the surgery will fare well for her versus, you know, those that don't eat as much. - She just had some bacon yesterday a little bit. - No, no, no, no. No, I just think that, I just think that, I could've sworn that the first guy, I could've sworn, yeah, I thought he was black, but I just think that, I just think that for some reason, it seems that whatever medical treatment that's out there, we don't have access to it like a Caucasian would. Like, I think that they'll try everything else. - Before they offer this to us. - Before they offer, before, for a Caucasian, I think they'll try everything else before they offer, hey, put this pig kidney in you. - Yeah. - Versus, you know, us. Hey, all you got is this, I'm gonna take this pig kidney and go, no. - Yeah, I honestly believe that some things that they do is trial and error for us as blacks, it's a trial and error to see if it works. And when your life is on the line, you're pretty much a greedy anything, man, you're gonna drink this bottle of bleach. Look, look at the people in Africa, they drunk all that bleach thing, and they was gonna, I think how many died, 21? They're at the church. - Drunk bleach for what? - Yeah, drunk bleach had passed told me to clean them of all their AIDS and all their diseases, and they drunk the bleach, and a lot of people got sick, but I wanna say about 20 or 21 got, between 17 and 21 died from drinking the bleach. So, when your life is on the line, man, you will pretty much try or do anything, and I don't know, another animal part in me, saving my life, woo. - That boy said another animal part. - A different type of animal part. - Yeah, 'cause I know how I'm a man. (laughing) - I do stop. - There's got to be that. - I stand corrected, man. I said Richard Slainman was Caucasian, however, he was also a black man. That's why I say trial and error. - Now you have a black man and a black woman receiving animal organs. - Are we the only ones without kidneys? I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other races without kidneys that if they is, it's an organ supply shortage. So, this is what they have to deal with. - But here's something you gotta think about though. It may be an organ supply shortage, but there are organ donors every day. - Yes. - So, my question would be, okay, for these organ donors, you mean to tell me, yeah, I know these people need kidneys, and do they just get skipped on a donor list? - Maybe they're not that high on the list. - Or do they not even be put on the list? - Don't list, yeah, exactly. - They're probably not that high on the list. - You know how many people, I get it, and they're supposed to go down the list, but you know how many people who are further down on the list, they'll skip over people who are higher than them to give these people down below kidneys. - Oh, I was going to ask, but we did see it. - And the fact they just had some here in the hospital here? - What, transplant? - Oh, dealing with these doctors? - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did with these doctors. - We did have a story on that. - Yeah, where they were taking, I wanna make sure I'm correct. - It was a doctor that pretty much, he made the decision to skip somebody, because they weren't, well, I can't remember the reason why, but it was his choice to choose to skip somebody. - Now, think about how many doctors they have the choices to do that? - Yeah, now, they just weren't fortunate enough to have that doctor, if they have to get this pig. (laughing) - No, I mean, just honestly, they weren't fortunate enough to get that doctor, but like you say, if that's had to have been the only way of survival because they can't get what they need from a human organ, so the only other option from, I guess, these doctors at these colleges is saying, "Hey, we can do this." - So check it out. Okay, maybe that was, this is the last resort, resort. My thing is, is we, you guys could see, you guys could see, meaning the doctors, you guys could see that, "Hey, this person is running out of options," or whatever the case might be, or do they have all of the options that this other race may have? It just seems like, for some reason, we just limited. - It comes down to money sometimes. - Well, I'm sure money definitely plays a factor in it. - Now, here's what I wanted to ask, but it kind of already asked some of my questions, the last guy passed away, right? - Yes. - Okay. I was going to ask, is there some type of agreement with these guys that trial and error such to the dog-eating pig and baboon hearts and all that, that if it doesn't work, we will put you in front of the line for a real kidney or liver or heart or whatever. Do they work that out? They should, if you trial and error on me, the first thing you should do is say, okay, it's not working, let's fix it, let's fix it, let's fix it, put a real one in that. - If it's not working, should you do it? - Right, think about what you're asking though, community 96, you're saying if it doesn't work, you should automatically be put at the top of the list. - At the top of the list, because you didn't try to put a pig liver in me, a pig organ, a pig, whatever it was, a kidney, they had the baboon heart last year. - But you have to find a match. You know what I'm saying? That's what I think the dilemma is, for those that are on the list is finding someone that willing to donate, and that's also a match. - The match is the willing to donate part. The match part is, I'm sorry, the match part, but it's the willing to donate people, that's the part. - The doctors that was dealing with her are actually doctors of incompatible kidney transplant programs at the university. - Oh, so she knew right off the real. - Yeah, so they gotta find whatever is not, even if it's not compatible with you. - Oh, you just tryin' it. - They gonna try it. Oh, come on. - Yeah, and I please note now, Loonie donated her kidney to her mother back in 1999. So she was only operating with one. - Oh, dang, now that's the messed up, 'cause sometimes you be like, man, I wanna donate my, but then all it take is, you know, you never know a couple beers too many, a couple of drinks too many, and now you got a bad kidney. You didn't donate it, tryin' to have a good heart. That is the scariest thing about tryin' to do the right thing. - Well, it was her mom, you know, and you do whatever you can for your mom. - Yeah, I think-- - I really pray she make it. - I think, you know, if we were all in that situation, and we were compatible to our parents, our mother, father, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even second guess have it, you know, donate mine. - Yeah, it's somethin' that you just gonna do. - Yeah, you ain't lying, that's your mom, right? - Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. - Fred, you mentioned earlier about the number of people, you know, on a transplant plant list, as you know, gettin' hopped or whatnot. It says there's more than 100,000 people, you know, on the US transplant list, and most of those need kidneys. Thousands die waitin' and many more, you know, never qualify. So, you know, it's people that, you know, they pass away just from waitin' to receive transplants, so it's not an easy thing that happens every night. - That ain't anything you say, never qualify. - Never qualify. - Now, that sound crazy to me. I'm sure you have to, there's a criteria you have to meet to be on this list. - Correct. - But it sounds crazy to me. - Why even put you on the motherfucker if you don't qualify? - If you don't even, I mean, it's obvious I need a kidney. I need a kidney bottom line, that makes me a qualifier in my eye. If my kidney ain't workin', I need a new kidney. So, you should qualify, that's crazy to me. - Let me back up, man, I mentioned her donating, her kidney to her mom, it said that later on, a complication to impregnancy caused high blood pressure that damaged her remaining kidney. - Yeah, ooh. - So, she had to have-- - Which eventually failed. - Blood transfusions. - Yeah. - And that's what I'm sayin', if it fails, can she still do the transfusions, or you gotta have-- - Until my dialysis. - Dialysis, yeah. - Well, that's what she had been doin' for the last eight years prior to this surgery. - Yeah, obviously, that wouldn't help out. - Check it out, check it out. Well, dialysis is work. - Right. - You just gotta go. - You gotta go all the time. - Consistent. - Three day thing, three days a week, and you cannot miss a day. That's the only way it's gonna work. - But check it out, though. If they tell you, look, we feel put this baboon kidney up in your, or pee kidney or whatever. - Yeah. If this don't work, do they, I'm sure they tell you the risk of, hey, if this don't work, you can get to them now. - Oh, they have to tell you. - Versus, okay, with this dialysis, this is just prolonging your death. We're all gonna die anyway. - Right. - But you're gonna lie longer. - Yeah, but you gotta weigh your options, okay. If we put this kidney in, it may not take it. You may die sooner versus when we were doing this dialysis. - Then take a dialysis. - Of course, people get tired of this. If I had an uncle, God rest his soul, that was on dialysis, quick story, man. It's kinda funny. He was on dialysis, and he drinks heavy. He used to drink a secrets gene. And when I'm not exaggerating, when I tell you he gives a gallon of the gene, a gallon, a gallon, a gene, he takes it to the head. But he'd like to have him a cold cup of water, ice water. So once he hit the gene, he'll back door with a cold cup of water. And that's how he do it, right? So he knew, the reason why his kidneys was messed up, he knew he had to stop drinking. Dad told him years and years ago he had to stop drinking. But he was up front and said, "Man, I can't stop drinking, I ain't gonna stop drinking." Said, "Well, you gonna be on dialysis?" Okay, well, that's what it is. So check this out. He would always go to dialysis. He was consistent by going to dialysis. But, you know, they run tests so often to see how his blood count now, that old stuff, right? Mm-hmm. That joke, that joke told him. That joke said, "Man," he said, "I wait to go get my blood test, my stuff tested," or whatever. He said, "Man, my nurse said I'm doing good." He said, "Man, my nurse said I'm doing good." Whatever I'm doing, keep on doing it. You know what this thing he used to do? God rest his soul. This joker, he's on dialysis for years, decades. He drinks his gym. And the next day, they filled his blood. He back sober. Yeah. He come right here, I don't drink again. It ain't just filled his blood so he never stopped drinking. He would be drunk going in there and come out sober. Oh, well, they, well, yeah. God, no. He drank a lot of it. He drank a lot of it. Who was this again, Freddy? That's my uncle. Okay, okay. It says, "It's incredible rap for living donors to develop kidney failure. And those that do are actually put, they're giving priority on the transparent list." So for Looney, you know, her test showed that she rejected every kidney donor that had offered. So, you know, agreeing, community 96, to go with what you were saying, you know, if this failed, should she be offered, you know, something, a human kidney? Yeah. Well, they haven't found one that worked for, which is, you know, pretty much why they resulted to utilizing this pig kidney. My God. So here's the thing. If she, if they don't have a kidney that works for, you're back on dialysis. Let's just see it. You're just back on dialysis. Oh, why other lady, a guy passed. He passed. He could have just went back on dialysis, but he passed. Well, again, her condition is, she's in much better condition than all the other people in the past that have done this transplant lately. They said she's, I'm using the wrong words, but she would, her condition, health conditions were a lot better than everybody else's. Okay, I got you. I think hers probably stemmed from only having one kidney. I think some people can't handle, some people, health is great, and they can go on and live a normal life for one kidney, even the doctors say that. But some people, I guess it just didn't help. Maybe it was something in the family 'cause her mom had it, right? So she had to give her mom a kidney. So whatever her mom had, her mom probably passed it to her, and she donated a kidney, now she needs one. So that's another thought. One of the doctors looked at that, like maybe you shouldn't donate the kidney. Well, look at this way. You say her mom needed a kidney, right? Right, that's the one that needed it. Okay, so when her mom needed a kidney, both of her kidneys were fine. Right, that's what I'm saying. So but when they took it, whatever her mom had, she probably got it as well. It just came from hypertension, from pregnancy. Her kidney, the second kidney went back, from hypertension, from pregnancy. Her person with two kidneys, in some cases, wanted to have hypertension, from pregnancy. So it doesn't necessarily mean that she has a kidney disease that her mom has. True, Josh, yeah. Okay, but it's just the, you know, I'm trying to be Dr. Doogie Houser, MD, my bad. I'm saying you're trying to be Doogie Houser. I'm trying to be Doogie Houser, MD, my bad, huh? Nah. Why don't you tell people how you function with your animal kidney? Okay, so let me explain. As a ant eater, what I do. (laughing) Oh, you've been several animals on these shows. You eat everything with A, don't you? You got me, I get it. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You eat everything with A. (laughing) You eat everything with A. You eat the animals. You eat the animal jacks. You're right. Keep going. Keep going. That's nothing else. Oh, it's a lot of A. (laughing) I'd say Loni was aware of the previous donors who didn't make it, but it didn't stop her from wanting to go through with this transplant. She apparently was starting to feel worse on dialysis, which is, but again, this is one of the reasons that she made the decision to go ahead and go through with it. You know what, she probably was just tired too. Yeah, I can imagine, man. I've never been through dialysis, but I've seen a lot of folks that have gone through it and they're extremely drained, you know, once they come out of it, but the story you just told for the deal was pretty funny, and that's something to know for future. Hopefully, I'm not even in that situation. Loni was initially discharged on December 6. I said she was going home in three months, but it says she was discharged on December 6, which was a couple of weeks ago, wearing monitors to track her blood pressure, heart rate, and other bodily functions. She goes to the hospital daily for checkups, which I can imagine after a serious surgery like that, you definitely need to do your regular doctor checkups. She was scrutinized, well, the doctor scrutinized her blood work and other tests comparing them to prior research in animals and a few humans in hopes of spotting an early warning detection, which I would think, you know, from the previous donors, you know, each one, they should have learned something. You know what I'm saying? To where they may feel that they're getting close to where this would be 100% successful. Now, they did say that the kidney that she received before she even woke from the surgery, it was allowing her to use the restroom. So that's a good sign. Yeah, it is a good sign. That's a great sign. Like I said, Tawana Looney is the fifth person in the world to try this transplant. Our prayers go out to Tawana. Yes, they do. And I definitely hope that, you know, she definitely lasts longer than three months. Like I said, I hope this extends her life to where she's able to live, you know, hell of a lot longer than, you know, what she previously was anticipating on living. And for those out there that possibly are in the same situation, you know, I hope y'all follow this story pretty closely and this gives y'all hope. Instead of discouraging you and your illness, we may chime back in on this a couple of months later to see the status of Ms. Looney, but until then, appreciate y'all for joining us. Come back, peace. This concludes another 2-2-3 episode. And be sure you tune in tomorrow for another episode of Women's Wednesday with Freddie G. Don't forget to follow us on X, formerly known as Twitter, @52scottpodcast, Instagram and Facebook, @V52scottpodcast. 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