In episode 113 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, Ken Kelly and Rory Lees-Oakes start by talking about the neuroscience underlying empathy in humans and animals. In ‘Practice Matters’, Rory explores the therapeutic use of self in counselling. Last but most certainly not least, Ken announces the publication of Rory’s new book, Counselling Theory in Practice: A Student Guide (Nielsens UK, 2019), and asks Rory to tell us more about his motivations for writing this and what readers can expect to find there.