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Let's go behind the scenes on the launch and development of a meme coin. Flat Earth Coin is a meme coin with an ideology.

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0:00 How to launch a meme coin
15:00 Why flat earth coin
40:00 Is the earth flat?

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Duration:: 1h 12m
Broadcast on:: 31 Dec 2024
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Are you interested in meme coins? Have you ever considered it degenerating into a meme coin? Do you know what we're talking about? Do you not know what we're talking about? In this episode, we're kind of going to go behind the scenes in terms of what it's like to create a coin, launch a coin, build a community around it. We're not shilling a coin. This is not a paid thing. I have no financial interest in the particular coin that our guest today has created. But I'm just kind of intellectually curious about this type of thing, so I thought it would be cool to bring someone on who's built and launched a coin and just sort of learn a little bit about how this whole world works. Welcome back to the My Latin Life podcast. Since 2014, My Latin Life has been your trusted guide to traveling and living in Latin America. Our guest today is Flat Earth Henry. He has launched a coin called the Flat Earth Coin. His real name is probably not Henry. It's probably a pseudo name. But we welcome Henry to the podcast. How's it going, man? Thank you very much, sir. It's a pleasure to be here. It's going wonderfully. Yes. Wonderful to be here. Wonderful to be in crypto at this time and all times. I look forward to getting into it. Absolutely. And again, I said in the intro, but this is not like a paid thing. I actually know Henry personally, we've hung out a couple of times around the world. And he said, "Hey, man, I'm launching a coin." I said, "Well, why don't you come on the podcast?" And we can kind of talk about it. And I can learn a thing or two, and hopefully the audience can learn a thing or two as well. So again, do not buy the coin. I guess the coin is already launched. You could technically buy it, but do not buy it. It's not a publicity. This is going to be purely for educational purposes only. Yeah, Vance, I don't think you've bought the coin. I've not popped the coin. I don't even know how to buy the coin. Yeah. Yeah, just a bit of fun. Yeah, of course. And we can get into it, but like meme coins are super risky, but great fun. That's why I'm in them. That's why I get involved. But yeah, super risky. You want to do your research before playing in the crypto trenches for sure. Cool. So maybe we could kick things off and explain what is a meme coin if you'd be able to kind of give us a definition there. Sure. So I think most of your audience, they're like nomads, so they'll be familiar with Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general. Then many of them would have heard of Dodgecoin, which we can say was the first ever large meme coin. And it's just a dog. And that's why it's funny because it's just a dog coin on chain. And then now we have loads of different cryptocurrencies for all different utilities. And one category of coins, which I'm most interested in, and that is particularly in the last few months, has picked up a lot of interest is the meme coin category, which is just tokens that have zero utility. They just pure means. So it could be an animal like the dog coin. It could be like a mood on the hippo coin, like mood on went viral. I don't know if you saw videos of mood on Thailand. It's just really viral. So that has a token that as the price of that token has gone quite high. And then you have to have animal meme coins. And then you have like culture meme coins, cult meme coins for different like ideologies, different groups of people they can identify with. And the flat earth meme coin would kind of fall into that category. And then you just have silly meme coins, little joke meme coins for anything, basically. Anyone can make one. It's really easy. And anyone can join a meme coin community. That's basically what it is in a nutshell. Okay. And what does it mean to de-gen into a meme coin? Does that mean just buying a coin, or is there some sort of deeper meaning there? Yeah, I mean, it basically just means you buy your degenerate, you degenerately gamble, and you buy a token. Now, some people will just buy it and keep it in their wallet and hope it goes up. Other people will buy it and shill it or become part of the community, like in telegram groups, sending gifts, telling their friends about it, making funny memes, making funny art, creating videos. So it's a very, I'm totally up to you, but a lot of people, particularly the people that are deepest in the trenches in the de-gen meme coin trenches, will be very active in the community. They'll get on Twitter spaces, like we do Twitter spaces weekly, and they'll talk to each other and form friendships. And it's funny because like, you know, a lot of us are nomads, a lot of people listening to this, they go all in different places in the world. And so we live a very digital life, meaning friendships with people who are actually increasingly lonely. It's quite hard to make friendships, like I don't live in England, my home country. Most people listening to this probably won't even live in their home country. And so we meet our people, our people, our friends, our tribes online. And so yeah, meme coins like facilitate that, because you have this financial asset that you all have fun with, an animal, a cult, a meaning, meaningful message, a movement, because it's financialised and you're all incentivised to share it with the world, to evangelise because you want the price to go up to more people to buy it. And so therefore, in that process, you become friends with each other in telegram groups, on Twitter spaces. And it's sometimes in real life too at events. So yeah, the de-genning can just be a simple purchase, but it can also be like joining an entire new tribe. I thought the English accent was just a voice distorter, AI. It's real, sir. I'm absolutely English. Bro, we've played football together. You know I'm English. I can't be that good at football, but that would be English, right? That's funny. And so, evangelising, I want to touch upon that for a sec, because obviously in the traditional world of say venture capital, you invest money in startups, and you're allowed to, you know, tweet about the startup you invested in or help that startup in, you know, try to get them some key hires or help them fundraise or, you know, do any number of things that's kind of what venture capitalists do is they try to add value, quote unquote. Is there some line where it kind of becomes illegal to sort of promote mean coins or something like that? It's a bit, like my understanding is it might be a bit of a gray area at some point, or is there some sort of line to not cross, or is it totally unregulated? I don't know. That's the beauty of it. It's the world of west. I mean, the governments don't know yet. Like, it's in every different country. It's a massive gray area. Obviously, people in crypto are very excited that Trump got elected in America because he's going to be more friendly to crypto in general. Yeah, but like the SEC has, the SEC is like everyone kind of follows the SEC, and like they're suing Ripple, which is a cryptocurrency, a large one. But all that guidance makes no sense. It's pretty corrupt. And Ripple keep winning in the courts anyway, in the private courts. So nobody really knows is the answer. But it looks like, particularly with a Trump presidency, that the regulation is going to be more favorable. And you know, at this low, like mean coins, especially if you're in small mean coins, like nobody cares. No government bodies coming after you for like, if you hold a small token, they chase you for taxes, but apart from that, they're not coming after you for launching a token, or for like running insider trading or whatever it's called. I guess there's a couple of different financial engineering type activities that, at least in the stock market are more frowned upon or something. Yeah, there's like, I mean, market manipulation technically, there's all sorts of things. I mean, I haven't really looked into it. But I don't really care. Like, you have to get really big and successful to then stop worrying about that kind of stuff. But what happens is celebrities or mini gurus sort of start shilling coins. And then they, what's the terminology for it? Basically, they like, you know, unload their bag on, yeah, pump and dump. And they say, Hey, everyone buy this coin. And then that creates the liquidity for the guru to sort of sell, because they got in early, right? So people got to be aware that there are things like that going on. That happens. And we had a little meta recently where a lot of celebrity started launching coins, and they all went up and down very fast. Like you had Hulk Hogan, you had loads of rappers. I think the only one that actually hasn't gone to zero, basically, is Andrew Tate's coin. But yeah, the, yeah, I've never bought an influencer coin is basically the tip. But yeah, and something like Paris Hilton has been fine. You know, I slap on the wrist a few million bucks for shilling a coin a few years ago. Like the SEC will just go after, you will go after celebrities, because it's just easy money for them. Yeah. And but that's one of the reasons, like, I'm not sharing my face right now. And how I use a synonymous name, just in case, because in theory, maybe in the future, some government comes after you. I mean, it's fine in crypto. I mean, like almost everyone's enormous, right? I want to go behind the scenes back to how to actually create and launch a coin. So you said it was pretty easy to create a coin. Is there sort of like a no code engine where you just have some drop downs and, you know, select characteristics or something like that? Or how much sort of technical understanding do you need to have to do something like this to launch a meme coin? So these days, it is really easy. So I started getting involved with the launching meme coin space like three years ago. And it was a bit harder because you had to have, you had to pay a developer or be a developer yourself and like write a contract, a smart contract, which would then deploy on a blockchain, Ethereum, Solana or whatever. Now there's so many tools out there already that it's really, you can do it with a click of a button. You could launch a coin right now, but in two seconds. Yeah. So there's like a pump dot fund is really big. Some of the listeners would have heard of it. And that is like a third party website. And there's thousands of hundreds or thousands of coins launched on there every day. It's really crazy things happening. But yeah, you just it's in the smart contracts already there. And those coins can't be rug pulled, which we can talk about later. So there's like a, there's like a safety element. The smart contracts are all safe because they're already in built. And so you just go in as a user, it's like a like a one click service. And you put the name in, you put the ticker, the letters of the token ticker, our menu click launch, you paid it a bit of Solana gas fees and platform fees. And then you've got a token is now live. Yeah. And you've lost a lot of coin. And there's like a bonding curve, which means it will like we can talk about that later, which means it goes live into a radiant pool if it gets to a certain market cap. But basically you can launch a coin in seconds. Yeah, the way we did flat coin was not on pump dot fund. It was on another decks called meteorodex, which is a very similar process. They have the smart contracts. And all you do is type in the name, type in the ticker, add some, some Solana for liquidity. And it creates it for you. So it's very easy to do. So the challenge is if you're a coin creator, the challenge is the marketing, like actually persuading people to buy it. That's the hard bit. But the creation process now is very, very easy. So how much money do you have to invest to get it set up? Because maybe you have to pay the software or you have to see the thing with some Solana like on pump dot fund, you could launch a coin. I think the platform fee is like point school pump dot fund. Mate, it's crazy. But there is a band live streams because they had like people saying, right, I'm going to kill my like on a live stream, then they're trying to shield the coin. Right. So like, I'm going to kill myself. Don't buy the coin. Or, you know, like you were fighting on live stream and girls getting their clothes off, you know, different when the coin goes up and up with this kind of stuff. Anyway, it's great fun. It was like people would watch the live stream just for entertainment and not buy the coins. Great stuff. Hopefully bring it back. But yeah, if you really would have like a budget, you could launch a token, I think for like $20. I think it's as low as that. If you just want to do the platform fees, yeah. If you want to launch a successful coin, obviously, it takes more money because you have to pay for marketing and accept you, ideally you build a website, you set up a telegram group, maybe you pay some people to help you with a telegram group, but that's all like optional marketing. But yet to actually have a coin on the blockchain, I think it's maybe $10, $20. Very, very cheap. And I guess you choose how many coins are in the fixed pool of coins because Bitcoin is what? 23 million coins, but some of them are like billions of coins. Exactly. So for flat corners, there we chose a billion. It depends a little on the platform we use. I think on pump.fun, can you choose the supply or do you get it chosen for you? I'm not sure. But yeah, it's either fixed for you or you just you optionally do it. If you lose your own contract, you're a developer, then you can do whatever. You can have 10 tokens or a trillion. And what you'll find is most mean coins have really a huge number of supply because there's a thing called unit bias. So for example, Bitcoin, there are 20 million, but that's where the price of Bitcoin is actually quite high. It's almost 100k now or 90k, $90,000. But like Dodgecoin, if the Dodgecoin market cap ever reaches the same market cap as Bitcoin, the price number will still be much lower. It'll be maybe $20 or something. Because the number of supply is billions versus 20 million. So you always get a really low price and retail investors like a low price. They're like, "Oh, I can have a billion tokens. I've got billions of this Dodgecoin." So you can have a whole duo or something right in stocks. And stocks, when they hit a certain price, they'll do a 10 to 1 stock split so that it's more affordable for people. So Berkshire Hathaway or something, when it hits 1,000 for the Class B share or whatever it is, they'll do a stock split and then it becomes 100 per share. So I guess there's some similar dynamics with the mean coins. Yeah, exactly. With mean coins, it's mainly optics. With the stock split share, I'm not exactly sure why that works. The real, the real, I'm very much in the crazy crypto world, not the real world. But it's just pure optics. Like, people just, yeah, people are like, "Oh, I can't afford one Bitcoin." But you can have up to 100,000th of a Bitcoin. People don't think like that. People think, "Oh, I can't afford one." But if it's a mean coin, you can have a million of them. Wow, you can spend $10 and you've got millions of these tokens. It just feels better. So that's what happens. And what's an uptick? What do you mean, what's an uptick? Didn't you just say the word uptick or something? People want to see an uptick? Or am I mistaken? Man said something, but I can't remember. Okay. I thought maybe where you're going with that was like any incremental rise in the price, like tiny, tiny rise, maybe has like more impact when there's a billion tokens or something. But anyway, so moving on. So, and then what's the idea of like seeding the pool of liquidity or throwing a couple of Solana into it, right? Because I guess one Solana, one soul is worth, I think like 250 bucks or something as of the time of this recording. And so what you want, like ideally when you launch a coin, you maybe you want to throw some Solana into your coin or what's how does that work? Yes, this is where it gets a bit complicated. But the basic principle is it's similar to your pass point. Like the meme coins, if you start it yourself, it's going to be very low liquidity, which means the uptick in price is really volatile, which is we love the volatility is great drama. But that means it can shoot up very quickly and go down very quickly, just on small numbers, like small buys and sells. So in the more liquidity, and you can add liquidity to the pool, it's always a pool where there's 50% are Solana. Let's say we're on Solana, you can do it on Ethereum with ETH, PED with ETH, or you can do it on many other chains. But a lot of the degenerating happens on Solana now. So let's say Solana. So for flatcoin, we've got 50% of the pool is always flatcoin and 50% will always be Solana. 50/50 always. And so as more people buy, they put Solana into the pool and they take out flat and the price flat goes up, there's more people sell, they take Solana out of the pool and they put flat into the pool. And so the price is constantly rebalances to keep it 50/50 and that's how the price will work, it's the AMM structure. Very, very clever invention, very hard to explain, but there's like videos on YouTube that can explain it. But basically, the automated market maker, a great genius invention from some American nerd, he invented Uniswap and that way of trading. Because before that, it was always like centralized exchanges with order books. So market makers had to match the buyers and sales, but now it's completely decentralized, just a smart contracts and the pool will always maintain 50/50 balance. Okay. And so you sent me the link on deckscreener.com to the flat earth coin. F-A-L-T is the ticker, I guess it's called the ticker. That's right. Yep. It's called the ticker. Okay. How do you see how much Sol there are, I guess, in the liquidity pool, which is essentially like the assets of the coin. Yeah. So when you click the link, there's a bunch of things on the right-hand side that say as a market cap, it says F-D-V and it says liquidity, it says price USD, saying this is price. And then you've got links to the website and stuff. So then the liquidity, the label liquidity, that's how much dollar value is in the pool. And so right now of the both together combined. So right now, it's $23,000, meaning that 50% of that is Solana, 50% of that is flat tokens. Cool. So essentially, you spun up this coin, it now has a market cap of $985,000. How long ago did you launch it? About two months now. Two months ago, it's made its way to just chive a million dollar market cap. And people have traded $60,000 worth of Solana, which definitely has actual value to acquire your coin, essentially. Am I understanding that right? That is correct. Yeah. And you can see the charts, the history, it's gone up a lot higher than in the past two. Yeah. So there's, yeah, exactly. So if you decide that the flat coin is not worth anything, yeah, in that pool, there is at least $60,000 worth of Solana. And then like if somebody buys, somebody buys the token now, that liquidity will go slightly up. Somebody sells, that will go slightly down. So it's always in movement, always moving. And to the market cap, it's to say, yeah, it's just chive a million dollar market cap. So people often think that sounds like a lot like a million dollars. But actually, look at the liquidity, that's the most important thing, that's the real money in the pool. Okay. And what's FTV? Fully deluded valuation was kind of the difference because right now, FTV and market cap are the exact same, 985. Yeah. So for this, for flat coin, they're always going to be the exact same. For other two, and for most meme coins, they will be exactly the same, which is, and that's one good thing about meme coins, they're very simple, clear, honest. Now for something like Bitcoin, or different coins, it's different because if they don't have all their supply circulating right now, so Bitcoin has inflation. So automatically, each year, what is it like 4% of supply is added to the, added to circulation. So they have different inflation sketch, where more tokens are printed. So Bitcoin is mine, but in other tokens, like Ethereum, they're just distributed. And so, yeah, you have lots of VC scam coins, just one of the reasons I love meme coins, VC scam coins, they'll have a really high FTV, for example, like you can check out world coin, Sam's AI coin that scans of one's eyes, like, let's just do it now, actually, if I type in here, world coin, like they've got a really high FTV relative to their market cap. So their market cap is 1.61, no, no, their market cap is, yeah, their market cap was 1.61 billion, but that FTV is 23 billion. So like their FTV is like, 16 times higher than their actual market cap, because they've got so much more tokens that are getting printed and adding into the market each day. And so with that, like if you're printing new tokens every day, then it's like when the government prints more US dollars, you devalue the current council, right? So it's, you got it. Okay, so it's kind of fixed the plot, apply versus more being minted, that kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Moving on, from the question here, do you actually believe the earth is flat or what was the inspiration for flat earthquake? So yeah, we've never spoken about this. Maybe the last time we met, I didn't believe it was flat, but now I actually do in real life believe it's flat. I went down the rabbit hole and turns out it is actually flat. Sounds crazy. So yeah, and I do spaces all the time chilling, chilling the token and everyone's always like, I do actually believe it's really flat though. Yeah, I've been down the rabbit hole and we could talk about it if you like. But the, yeah, the kind of the bull case for the coin and many people that hold like there's 700, about 700 holders of the token. So if definitely not all of those holders, think the earth is flat, right? It's still quite niche view. But a lot of them will be, will love conspiracies. It's kind of like, it's like the final boss of conspiracies, right? Flat earth. It's funny. So a lot of them people will be in it for the lols and in it for, you know, like stick it to the man. Stick it to the man vibes. That's the kind of the crypto culture. So yeah, that's, that's like the motivation for making the coin is to kind of have the most radical conspiracy, get the kind of craziest minds on board. Yeah, and have the most interesting, most interesting community. But yeah, I actually do believe the earth is flat. It is kind of genius actually when I think about it, because basically the more people that you convert to your ideology of the earth is flat, or at least they're kind of open to considering it, maybe the more coin holders you have. And obviously there's value, the more diversified the number of holders of the coin there is, right? So as you go from 700 holders to 1400 to 2100 and it keeps growing, that makes the coin more valuable. And you kind of have fun converting people to this idea that the earth is flat as you go. Precisely. So you have a mission. Lots of meme coins are becoming more about evangelizing and having a mission, like it starts up with dodge, okay, it's a funny dog. But now it's more about, okay, let's convert the world, let's just preach the message of our coin, whatever that is. And so flat earth is a great one because you're persuading everybody that they live on a flat earth or within a firmament. And that space maybe doesn't even exist. Yes, you've got this like mission, this movement. So that's great. And it's also a bet on like, like this time last year, I thought flat earth is crazy, but now I am one. And it's like a bet on more and more people in the world will convert to thinking the earth is flat. And like more and more conspiracies will become more and more mainstream. And so as that happens, the bet is that they will also join a crypto community that shares those values. And at the beginning, when we defined meme coin, we said there's no value or utility. There's no utility whatsoever. But if people buy the coin, do they get access to like a telegram group or some sort of private community? I mean, anyone like you, anyone listening to join the telegram group, there's no like gateway. So anyone can join even at globies, globalists can join will will convert you in there. But obviously, if you buy the token, you feel like you're part of the community. And why would you join otherwise? So if I join this telegram group, though, and I see a couple, when I type flat earth coin, I see a couple on telegram, I see three. One is at flat earth coin soul, one is flat earth meme coin, one is flat earth, I assume the biggest one is the official one, are they all official? Flat earth soul, but searching it might not be the best way, you're pretty bad earth coin soul, 850 members. That sounds like a yeah. Okay, here's my concern though. So I can see the members, like, I don't know, is it even possible to hide the member list? So couldn't, aren't you like kind of making yourself a bit more of a target for you know, various crypto scams and stuff like that, because you're demonstrating interest in like a meme coin telegram, or isn't there a way to like make the member list private or something? I don't know, but it's, I think it's fine. Like almost everyone in here is anonymous, right? Nobody's got their real face picture. Yeah, so you just join it. Like scammers will join, and like they'll DM you pretending to be the developer or something. That's the same in all crypto groups. So you just have to be with you if you're new, you have to be wary of that. But yeah, that's, that's powerful. I'm liking the memes already that I'm seeing, just kind of like making fun of NASA. Are you in? So that's yeah, exactly. I'm not in. I haven't clicked the join button because I don't think my concerns about receiving a whole bunch of random DMs have been fully addressed. So with two, I might have to make it, I might have to make a separate telegram, but I'm not my @mylandlife telegram. But we're too small for that to be a concern. Like if you join the buying edge telegram, we're like 100,000 members. Yeah, you're going to get DM'd. Like maybe every day. You join the flat earth, what coin? Like you probably get one month or something because yeah, it's just less. It's a small, like it's still a very small early stage project. So you're just going to get less scammers. Well, you've obviously found a way to make it work a little bit, right? Because you've been in meme coins for three years now. You've made connections in the industry. And that's allowed you to launch and kind of hit what I'm sure you have larger goals, but kind of like critical mass, right? Because I'm sure there's lots of coins out there with less than 50K or less than 5K market cap. And you've actually kind of got the rumblings of something here. It's true. I mean, it depends how you define success. So I haven't sold a token and the market cap's far too low for me to consider selling one. So I haven't made any money. So I haven't got any financial success yet. And I would wait a long time before, before doing any sort of cashing out. But yeah, you're right. Like I've done token audits before that have not gone this high for this long. Yeah, and it's difficult and most tokens fail. But yeah, flat-out people do. It's a real cult, right? I haven't tried to make a new cult. It's a real cult that already exists in the real world. And a bunch of people have tried making coins out of it, but haven't succeeded. Like, it's quite hard to make it work. And so yeah, the first two months have been positive. And the timing is also good at the crypto market, because meme coins are there's hype around meme coins right now. People are excited about them. So that time is good. That's very critical. And also, yeah, there is a small core community, people who I know personally, and then just people who've joined for the cause for the conspiracy culture. And so these people hold, because there's something to believe in. If it's like another hamster coin, it's difficult to hold it, right? It's a price dip, like we've dipped 90% three times already since the inception. Like usually if a hamster coin dips 90%, what you're going to do. It's just a dead hamster. It's difficult to really have something to believe in. But if it's flat-earth and you think there's flat and you love conspiracies, there's something there, right? And you've had a good time with the people in the telegram on the spaces so far. So you've built some relationships. Yeah. So that is why, yeah, we could call it mile success so far. But yeah, time is the greatest test. If we're still around in six months, which I believe we will be, then that's a really, really successful project, a really successful meme coin. This managed to be, and probably at that point, no financial advice, but at that point, if you're growing, then things get really exciting. And it seems like you've found a way to gamify it. I'm assuming this is a pretty common playbook, where I don't know if you're giving people coins for being active in the telegram, or you've created these status levels. How does that kind of work and play into the strategy? So there are a bunch of these things. We don't do anything formal like that. Like a bunch of crypto projects will try and do these things. Honestly, I don't really recommend them, particularly for meme coins. The basic principle is, if the meme is good, people will buy the token. And then once somebody buys the token, they then have a bag to shell it, right? They're there, then the promoters of the token, because they want the token price to increase and get more people. And so like we will do like probably 50, maybe 40 raids every day in the telegram, Twitter raids, meaning maybe I could do one and show you on the group now. But basically, we will post under big, big accounts in Twitter, big crypto influencers or big conspiracy people. Like Elon Musk, for example, he tweets something, we quickly, one minute later, posted a witty response about the earth being flat, and we include the ticker flat, we include a flying meme, we share it in the telegram group, everyone rallies behind it, and boost it. And so that's like our outreach that we just do constantly. 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But then sometimes it works because they don't sell them straight away or a period of time and they share the token with a larger audience. So yeah, there are some of the things that can be done. But ultimately, the market just bids the meme long-term. If the meme is powerful and there's a community behind it that hold for a long period of time and don't sell and don't give up, then it can be successful. Very cool. I like it. I think it has a good narrative. So maybe at this point, I think we have to get into it. I think you have to try to sell me on why the earth is flat. I'm open to the Antarctica stuff, that the idea that there's definitely hiding some shit from us in Antarctica. And I think that sort of, I'm guessing that plays into it pretty prominently. But maybe you could kind of take us from the top. Yeah, so where to start? Let's riff off the Antarctica stuff. I'll throw a few facts at you, a few things. So pilots use flat earth maps to fly planes. You ask a pilot, they'll tell you they do. A lot of them still think the earth is round, but they use flat earth maps to fly and land the plane. They don't account for any curve because there is no curve. Nobody's ever seen the curve of the earth, the supposed curve. Like you should, like flat earths have done laser tests, you should be able to blast a laser over thousands of miles and it will hit the curve if the curve exists. But it doesn't because the curve doesn't exist. Then there's all this stuff about space. Let's go space later. Okay, the Antarctica stuff. So yeah, we are surrounded by an ice wall. So how it actually works is, as opposed to being on a spinning testicle, we're on like a flat pizza. And it's literally the game of thrones is real life, but there's an ice wall around the whole world. Beautiful. It's like the South Pole, it's just Antarctica, which is an ice wall around the whole world. And the middle is the North Pole, the ice in the middle. And so this ice wall is, you're right, there's treaties, governments disagree with what they have, they have wars, they have a territory all the time, but they can all agree, funnily enough, that we can't go past it beyond this ice wall. And this treat has been in place for like 40 years, but they themselves get politicians go for like suspicious meetings there for secret meetings. Are we who knows where for a suspicious means to Antarctica? To Antarctica, yeah, places we're not allowed to go. Okay, who knows what happens there? I don't know, maybe someone else is running the show. It's like a logistically expensive place to meet up for meetings. Exactly. It's very fishy. And so my friend, my new friend, who is who is a member of the flat calling community, he has been to Antarctica twice. He's going for the third time in a few weeks. But when he goes, it's all controlled, right? It's like a controlled trip, like North Korea. And he's going to bring a flat earthquake flag. It's going to stick it, stick it in the ice. But like, it's really controlled. He doesn't get that much internet access there. He can't go beyond certain points. There are animals, there's like penguins there, and he thinks the penguins are robots, like the way their eyes are and stuff. He thinks there's cameras in their eyes. He doesn't get real. And like, there's military bases there. There's drones flying overhead. There's ships. Like, he can't just wander off. If he does, he gets intercepted. Well, you're going to die. Like, you can't go very far. Well, I mean, in theory, me, you and like, 10 people could get a ship, get a bunch of food, and it was also like, we could try it, right? But the point is, we wouldn't get very far because humans would intercept us. Government forces would stop us. So they're hiding something. And that's really what the real space exploration, I get excited about, because all this, like the gateway drug to Moonland, a gateway drug to Flat Earth is the Moon landing. So I looked into that, how that one's not looking too sturdy. I mean, Elon Musk, like, still says that it was real. Like, he, you know, the King of memes, Elon, says that we actually did go to the Moon, or at least doesn't deny it. But yeah, I've watched some of the documentaries on Twitter and stuff, like the band documentaries. And I'm like, damn, like, there is, there is some good evidence. I mean, obviously, like, like, 1969. So the official narrative is in 1969, we built this amazing spaceship, blasted up into the Moon, landed on there, jumped out, played golf, jumped back in again, and flew back down to Earth. And now we've lost the technology and it's too hard to build it back. That's the official narrative. Like, honestly, the NASA computers, the powered, the technology that supposedly got us to the Moon in '69 were less powerful than modern day calculators. Like, their GPU was lower. Like, like, apparently Nixon gets a land-like telephone, land-like telephone, and has a conversation with Neil Armstrong on the Moon. I go to the countryside, you know, 20 minutes down the road, and I can't get reception on my phone now. So Moon landing could be fake. That could probably be a whole, we'd be there for 15 minutes if we go into the Moon landing. So Moon landing might be fake. Where do we go from there? So then you go, okay, now space is fake, totally. So now, like, the whole, you've seen these pictures since you're a child of the universe, and there's this little spinning Earth that makes you feel very small and significant, which is deliberate. And there's this massive sun and all these different planets, that's all junk. Planets are like stars, they exist, but they're like, they're just in the sky, and the Bible is true. The Bible says God made the firmment. So the firmment is like a dome over the Earth. So it's just one big giant Earth that's flat stationery, within a firmment, a dome-shaped firmment, which is where we have rainbows that are dome-shaped, and then the sun and the Moon are within that firmment revolving around the Earth. Wow, revolving around the Earth, that's how you get seasons and day and night, and the stars are in the air, in the sky, and planets are like some other kind of gassy star thing, and that's that. And this whole kind of concept of gigantic universe and space is fairy tales. That's the Flat Earth narrative, it's a lot to digest, but that's our take. Okay, so moon landing I get, I think it was a bit of a leap how space is fake, just because the moon landing is fake, because space can be real, but they obviously had reasons to fake the moon landing, because they wanted to beat Russia or whatever, but I'm not totally convinced on the spaces fake stuff, can hit me with some more. That's a hard one to get. I mean, you could say space is real, if you just call space like high in the sky, like when you go higher in the sky, it does get darker, like the pictures of space we're used to seeing, but the scientific thing that is impossible is that it's a vacuum. So you have this earth, and then you just float outside of earth, and you start floating around space, where there's nothingness in a vacuum. That is just nonsensical, like scientifically it's impossible. Vacuums cannot exist next to a container that isn't enclosed, so like they say earth is not enclosed. It's a science principle, it doesn't make sense. So what about stars? So stars are just within the firm, so they're high in the sky. They're real though. Yeah, yeah, real. And we discover new stars all the time and stuff. Yeah, yeah, I look up and I see like if you can't see anything with your own eyes, like then it's difficult to justify. So the moon, the moon is real, the sun is real. I can see them. Mars is probably like a star, like some form of gassy star. The moon is probably not solid, by the way. We probably can't ever land on the moon. It's probably made of plasma. I haven't been there, so I couldn't say for sure. I want the flat going to go to the moon, therefore, but yeah, people, people who have looked into it predict it's probably some sort of gassy plasma as opposed to solid. Okay, and I hate to bring this back to Elon because he's just one guy, but does this mean Elon is kind of like misleading us on certain things? Yeah, so the Elon, by the way, I've done loads of this on like Twitter space and stuff. Most people just can't handle it. They get triggered, but you've got an open mind you can handle it. So the Elon thing is, apparently he was caught off air admitting to Joe Rogan, the moon landing was fake. But my take is, look, he is the richest man in the world for a reason. He's an amazing grifter. I still love him because he bought Twitter and we have free speech on Twitter. This flutter wouldn't be surviving on Twitter if he didn't buy it, right? So we're going to love the guy, but he's just very good at it. So SpaceX is a government subsidy grift, so Tesla. Billions of dollars, he makes billions of dollars that are taken the government take from the taxpayer to fund space exploration. And space doesn't really exist, but obviously he's not, if he said that, then he'd be losing out on a lot of money. So it doesn't make sense. But like rocket's a real, he is really hard to build a rocket. I can't build one. He's smart, he can, and the rockets go up and they get them, they fall in the ocean. I mean, they don't really do, they don't do much. And most of like the footage we see from NASA is fake. But I mean, a rocket going up in the sky and seeing stuff is still impressive, so like when I wind him doing it, I'd rather he went to the Antarctica beyond the ice war, because like we love explorers and we love adventurers like Elon Musk. And there's loads beyond the ice war, we haven't. People circumnavigated the globe by like flying over all of Alaska, or sorry, Antarctica? Well, you're not allowed to. But have people done it? And as far as I, as far as I'm aware, no, like you're not allowed to. If you get, if you fly, you just, me and you jump into plane and go for it, we'll be intercepted. They'll take us out. No, I know I get it, but I would think they would do like scientific missions or authorized missions to like traverse it or something. Because people have traversed it on foot, right? People have like got some skis and traversed it on foot. You just can't like it's massive, right? And you just can't go beyond certain points. So like the stories of Admiral Bird, he was an explorer, I think maybe 100 years ago, and he like went through some hole in the ice war. And he said, he has stories to be just one man, but he was an explorer and he said, look, I saw land, I saw resources, I saw trees. There's like Japanese written records of going beyond the ice war and seeing people, seeing other species and stuff. So that's the thing, with space exploration, a lot of it is fake. And like all this alien stuff is fake, but actually, you can still get your explorer kicks and you can still have your extra territories or extra territories, but just be on the ice war, just not up in the sky, but go beyond the ice war. And maybe there's aliens out there, maybe there's new resources, maybe there's gold, like forget colonizing Mars, it's probably just like a star. Let's go and colonize all the all the discovered lands beyond the ice war. So you still get your kicks with that. What makes it a wall though? Because I know it's like a little bit mountainous, but there's no like part where it becomes like a wall. Yeah, I don't think it's like quite as big as got Game of Thrones, like a big wall. I think it's like just a short thing, just blocks of ice. I don't think it's that big. We just can't go beyond certain points because governments won't let us go beyond. So I should be teed like has Antarctica been traversed and says the first successful one was in the 50s and there's been some stuff in the 80s, 90s, and more recently than that kind of modern traversals or scientific expeditions. But you know what's interesting though is you don't get like it doesn't get censored. Flat Earth stuff, I guess this kind of works well for your coin, but like flat earth stuff doesn't get overly censored from what I see. Like there's certain historical events and figures that if you talk about them you get censored immediately, right? But flat earth, you can talk about flat earth all day and they're not going to take down your YouTube channel, you know? It's true to a degree. There is some censorship, but it's definitely not at the level of some more political hot potatoes to do with race and sex and stuff. Like I think partly because it's still quite niche now so you just don't see it as a threat. In 2015 flat earth was the most googled search term. Then they did start censoring it and so it's gone down more. And like all the big flat earth YouTubers, they all have channels, they're not they're not a sinus in any way, but they're definitely the algorithm pushed them down for sure. Like if you like if you like flat earth Dave, which it gets it, these are really great flat earth influencers and you can touch their names in with flat earth in Google, in YouTube and Google and you have to go through pages and pages before you see their content and you'll see all the nonsense like the professor Dave or some liberal scientist debunking the crazy flat earth, it's all that nonsense will come first. So there's definitely I could see that there's probably some flags as misinformation or whatever. Yeah, exactly. But it's still like a lot more allowed to be talked about then. Yeah, it's not canceled as as some other things are. So what about have you tried to reach out to these influencers? I don't know them, but flat earth, Dave and all these people have you have you hit them up to you know, try to, I don't know, get them to support your coin. How's that kind of been? Yeah, slowly but steadily, we are onboarding them. The one thing about these flat earth, by nature, is very skeptical. Like if you had any become, how on earth do you think the earth flat? Well, you have to be a very skeptical mind. And therefore, a lot of conspiracy lovers who aren't in crypto are actually also quite skeptical of crypto too. They maybe they think it's a government scam or Satoshi was a government agent. So there's a little bit of groundwork to be done on on persuading them that crypto and meme coins are actually good. And but as time goes on, they're warming up, they are global warming up. So yeah, we will, we are recruiting them. But yeah, it takes a little bit of time, a little bit of education to to get them fully on board. Okay, you mentioned global warming there. How does global warming fit into the flat earth theory? Yeah, it doesn't doesn't exist right. It's another so like this back to Elon, right, a great grace, the whole climate change, grift makes loads of money from Tesla. Space grift makes those money from SpaceX. Yeah, these narratives benefit some people, but not many others. He basically says, like, you know, climate change, isn't that real? Or he kind of like, semi debuts it or says, like, you guys are focused on the wrong thing, essentially? He plays that he plays, he's very smart man. This is why he's the man at the bar, where he plays both sides, because now he has to have public, like public opinion, the public liking you is very important. That goes into the stock value of Tesla. So what's public to like him? Whilst also, he what he needs to support certain narratives are not true. So his colour, he has to play both sides. And like the global warming stuff is getting very unpopular, all that, all that green stuff, that's so unpopular now, that scams that hoax is coming to the end. So it's wise for him to be on the right side of history on it and kind of join the, join the people's, the people's voice on that. So was there was a specific, I kind of get like global warming yet it's not like a huge deal breaker on this topic, but what was for you, like what kind of pushed you over the line, where was it a particular book, or particular like sort of influencer that presented a whole bunch of arguments, or was it a particular angle, whether it be the space or Antarctica or something else, or like the science of the lasers or something like what were the particular epiphany points for you. So yeah, it was like, it's really hard to just the first step of saying what it's really flat, that's the big, the big hurdle. And what put and I watched a debate with which it gets it and jerker. And that finally things started to click for me in, in that moment. But yeah, initially you just don't want to go down the rabbit hole, like who wants to be a flat earther, who wants to be and to actually, you just don't want to be one of those people, like one of those, you know, wants to be crazy. But I think that's eventually curiosity got the better of me. And yeah, and then I just opened up the bottom one, but anyone that goes down the rabbit hole, you use a dedicate, like, like 10 hours, maybe 20 hours of binging content online. Once you go down the rabbit hole, it's very difficult to not come out as a flat earther. Nobody wants to be one. But like, yeah, just curiosity takes you down there. And then you're stuck, then you're a flat earther for life. But I think the stuff for me, the penny started dropping with like the pilot stuff, like pilots use flat earther maps, long range missiles. They don't account for any earth, any of the earth's curvature. These are the ones that the penny started dropping. Nobody's ever like nobody's has claims. They've seen the curve, like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Mr. Science, Mr. Science Guru, supposedly right, the media's favorite, Mr. Scientist. He's like, no man could ever see the curve. But honestly, trust me, it's there. But what about the thing about ships and like you see a ship on the horizon? That's a good one. We actually made a video on this. If you see, if you go on our Twitter and look in the highlights, we made a funny video like trying to explain this. So basically, what is the Twitter? It's flat coin underscore soul. So we made a funny animation explaining it. But yeah, basically, the common misconception is you can see ships come over the curve because it appears to our eyes that when it goes out, it goes into the distance, it kind of rolls over the curve. But that doesn't happen because when it looks like that, so then you can get a telescope, zoom in, and the ship is still fully there. So what's happening is like an optical illusion where it's just getting out of your vision. So it gets so far away from your eye that it gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and then disappears. And that's what happens with sunsets. So people think the sun goes over the curve of the earth and it's gone. But what actually happens is the sun goes a further away away away away away until it disappears because our eyes can't see anymore. Yeah. And so... Over the ice wall. Okay. Because of the ice wall, where it just goes out of our... Like it's still there for somebody else in a different part of the country or a different country, but just from where we are on earth, at that point, it's gone too far away. Our human eyes don't see anymore. But it keeps revolving around the earth. So I go to the highlight section, which I don't use that much. I need to check people's highlights. I haven't even made one for my lab in life yet. I don't think so. And the first thing there is the slightly, flatishly round by Elon. This is good. He loves teasing. So this is a couple of years ago he wrote this. He was just playing. But deep down, he knows it's slightly flatishly round. And so it can be round, like a pancake, like a pizza, flat and round. Yeah. And if you scroll down, they... After a few... These are like the highlights as a woman in Congress saying it's flat. And yeah, it's like a flat earth turtle. Andrew Tate is a video of Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate bullying their friend because he's calling him a globe-tard because they know it's flat. They haven't said it publicly, but on this video they were joking about him believing in the earth being a globe. So they get it. And yeah. We used to think it was flat, right? Before Copernicus, right? And then the... How's that? Before and after Copernicus, a bit of a... the globe, he's loved the whole Copernicus thing. But yeah, like for all civilizations until very, very recently, like there's there's old women still alive today in America that were taught it was flat in school. So like Egyptians, Romans, Vikings, all past civilizations knew it was flat. But it's very recent, like the past 400 years where we've started this whole religion of science. Right. Copernicus. He was, what, 1500s? I actually don't know what year he was. Copernicus. But other people have done things like the ancient Greeks got pretty close to measuring the weight or density or size of earth and they got within like something like 98, 99th percentile, some of them of the actual scientifically agreed upon size of the earth, right? So some people thought it was round, even a couple thousand years ago. It's possible, yeah. A few people here and there. I mean, like the stuff they were using is pretty, pretty primal, pretty primal tech. And nobody can be, there's no real agreement on the current size right now. And the most recent thing Neil DeGrasse talked about is that we're actually not even a sphere anymore. Now we're a bit of a pair. Like these models are always changed and like the thesis of the earth being a million years old, then it becomes a hundred million years old. Now it's billions, like the number keeps getting bigger and bigger. Yeah. And then this feeds in, and then this feeds into evolution, which is also a new theory. And then flat earth is off and go down that rabbit hole too. And we discover that's also nonsense. Evolution is nonsense. So like adaptation of exists. But the idea that our ancestors are monkeys, that we said, my great grandfather was not a monkey. It was my certainly a human man. Where's the half monkey, half man? Where's the half, where's the whale with legs? Like all that is kind of part of the same kind of scientist religion. But I think is not true. And it's just, and again, nobody in history thought this was true. Yes, like the model is, you know, big random, it's all set up to try and disprove God. So a lot of flat earthers end up becoming very pro God, having some sort of spiritual, if not heavily religious bent, because it won't be all the new, all the new kind of science, ways of thinking, are basic attempts to disprove God, right? So it's like, okay, no, God didn't create the earth. Some random big bang did. And then this dust evolved into water. And then this water evolved into a fish. And this fish became a rock. And this rock became bananas. Banana became you. I mean, come on. I mean, and then so how does flat earth disprove evolution? We, I mean, you can't prove it. There's no, I mean, how do you prove evolution? Yeah, there's nothing. I mean, find me the half monkey, half, half an actress and so. Okay. Okay. You know, you know what, though, I got to tell you, I was the, the out of Africa theory. I think there's a reason to believe that that's kind of propaganda, that they're being fed to us that we're from Africa. And I think it kind of plays into the whole migrant thing about how they're trying to like flood our countries with people from Africa. And then they're trying to say like, Oh, well, like it's all good because we're originally from Africa. And that's kind of like part of what justifies it. But, but like, I don't know. So I think there's some something up with the Africa thing too. But I was trying to, I was trying to find information like on Twitter and people that were sort of disproving it. Maybe I just was having a hard time searching it. But I couldn't find any people with, you know, well thought out kind of counter theories and arguments to that. The evolution start, I mean, there's a, as a creationist. What was his name? And they were sending his name after. I've watched some good debates on YouTube with classic creationists. I think he was putting jail eventually in America, trying to disprove evolution and his, and then he goes with like a literal interpretation of the Bible for the creation of the earth as opposed to evolution. Yeah, the whole out of Africa thing is just a bit of a joke. And it's like, yeah, we're all came from Africa. Africa's great. Let's have loads of third world migrants in the West, please. I mean, come on. It doesn't really make any sense. Yes. And like even like, if you add like, they love this whole add billions of years something and he'll believe anything. It's billions years ago, we can't prove shit. So yeah, we used to be a fish. But millions of years, these tiny little changes over time. And now we're here we are. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. I mean, maybe that happened. Or maybe it didn't happen. And like, you should be able to prove this, right? You should be able to like get some like microbes in like a petri dish and have them evolve rapidly over time into a new species. No one has ever proved species to species evolution. It's never been demonstrated. So we got to kind of get wrapping up pretty soon here. You're under their call in 10 minutes, but so I kind of maybe get why like some of the motives or maybe the out of Africa theory. I'm not getting the motives of flat earth theory. Like, what is the motive for why the lie? Why the lie? Well, the first point to make is we even if you don't know what the lie is, it's still you still should focus on what is the truth, right? What is observably true? But there are a few things we can speculate as to why the lie. Firstly, NASA rakes in a good $80 million a day from taxpayers for edge shenanigans. And it's all CGI. And this is being exposed right now in Congress and things about how it's just all fake. It's all green screens, so underwater, underwater filming for the for the spaceship nonsense. So, you know, somebody's making a lot of money. So that there's an incentive. You mentioned earlier, there was some, you know, some geopolitics for the moon landing, you know, a space race with Russia, some clouds and global clouds. So there's there's that at play. But yeah, and then there's like the super cynical kind of conspiracy theorist. They want to control you, which I do believe to a certain degree is probably true. Like if what group of people are easier to control, like the the Christians or the religious people who believe God made the earth, God made you special, God made you significant. Or the people who think they live on a spinning ball. Try again. Exactly, trust the science. And like, you're just really insignificant. You're a speck of dust. You're materialistic. You came from nothing. You're going to go back to nothing. Just be a sheep. Just buy this, just buy the McDonald's, you know, it's you're much easier to control with that mindset with a much more materialistic than, you know, empowered. So do you think there's like a organized group of whatever 100 people at the very top that are sort of pulling the strings or how does it get coordinated at that level? Who knows, I don't have been up that high. Maybe when a flat gun hits a billion dollar market, I can rise up some ranks in the world. But it could be like that. It doesn't really have to be though. I think these things can just happen over time. Like, you know, a group of people could sit down and say, let's stay used to moon landing for these geopolitical reasons with Russia. And then there's like, and then another group of people can come in and say, okay, let's let's sell some globes. Let's let's let's get some more money for NASA because actually this is a good grip now. You know, it can you can naturally, organically, evolve doesn't have to be like purely. It's going to be something else. It's not just an NASA grip. But yeah, I guess like everyone kind of has different interests. All right. So no good answer as to why the lie, who's behind it, but to be TBD. Money and power basically the answer. Money and power. Okay. You know what I'm thinking is, couldn't you make this like a fundraiser to fund like flat earth science or say something like 10% of soul or however you define it 10% goes into flat earth research. And then you could be like tweeting the research and stuff and then get more people interested that way. Yeah, that is 100% the the plan. So at a certain level, right now, it's like a million dollar market cap at about 20 million dollar market cap or 30 million dollars. We the the team would make a good amount of fees from the pool because there's LP fees when you provide liquidity, you get a little little 0.5% fee. That becomes a real revenue stream at larger market cap. And then then you have a then you have a treasury, then you have a budget that you can spend on stuff like that. You can sponsor research, sponsor flat earth influences. We could sponsor an expedition to the ice wall. We could try and break some rules and break through it. We could pay for like laser tests to blast through the curve. We could do all sorts of fun stuff. We could build a rocket. We already paid some Nigerian NASA group to try and fly to the firm as a funny video on our high loads about that. But yeah, that's definitely a division and our high market cap that becomes much more easy to attain. Okay, cool, cool. I'm excited to see kind of where this goes. By the way, when we say buy, hold on for like a minute as the audio uploads. So didn't warn you offline about that. But before we say buy, why don't you take a minute here, let people know where they can learn more about the coin and any message that you want to share with the audience. So the place is Twitter, flat coin, underscore SOL, that is our Twitter handle. Give us a follow on there. Everyone is welcome to join the telegram, whether you're a globie, whether you're a flat earther, whether you're curious, whether you're an intercrypto or not, there's a community in there that will welcome you in. We'll convert you if you want to be converted or you can just lurk and watch the show. Yeah, everyone's in a welcome to join. Even if you're not a flat earther, but you love conspiracies, like flat earth is like a final boss of conspiracies, like a lot of people who are very cool, still not believe in flat earth is just a big, it's the key, right? It's the big one. So if you love conspiracies, this is still a good community for you, right? You join in, you beat the system, you troll the system, you flam the system with the flat earth chads. Sounds like it could be a pretty good investment thesis just invest in all the conspiracy meme coins, because people are getting more into this stuff, I think. Exactly, conspiracies are going to explode, meme coins are going to explode, in my opinion. So conspiracy meme coins sound like a no brainer. Conspirify, we call it now. Conspirify tokens. Defy conspiracy defy conspiracy finance. Just yeah, conspiracy finance. Interesting. Okay. Well, you've opened up my eyes here and I'm sure the audience as well. Well, I'll put some of those links in the show notes. I know we mentioned a lot of things, so they probably won't all be there, but definitely the Twitter and hopefully they don't cancel me. If I put links to decks, screener.com and show notes, maybe we'll just keep it on the Twitter. I don't know. We'll start with that. Okay. Cool. Awesome. Let's do it then. Let's wrap it up. This has been another episode of the My Latin Life podcast. Our guest today, Flat Earth Henry, founder of the Flat Earth coin. Thank you to the audience for listening. Thanks to Henry for joining us. And guys, we put out two episodes a week with amazing guests like Flat Earth Henry. So be sure to subscribe to the podcast on Apple podcast, Spotify, YouTube, Twitter, all that good stuff. So don't miss an episode. And also in the description is a link to our Telegram groups. We talked about Telegram for a bit on this episode. We have a whole bunch of free Telegram groups about Latin America and being an expat, digital nomad of Latin America, just like thousands of people in our groups. So I recommend you join our Telegram groups if you're not in them already with it with that. Yeah. Sure for now. Cheers, Brian.