In this episode, Mike and Nick explore two critical challenges facing crypto as we enter the bull market: the looming stress test of crypto infrastructure and the psychological challenge of maintaining builder conviction. They dive deep into how Celestia's lazy bridging and Gelato's sovereign rollup are preparing for the scaling challenges ahead, while discussing staying true to your vision when competitors take shortcuts seem to be winning. They also share their biggest insights from DevCon and Ethereum's latest moves to nationalize rollups. Thanks for tuning in! - - Follow Nick: https://x.com/nickwh8te Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_ Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@expansionpod Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1 Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:09) DevCon Takeaways (08:53) Finality vs Blocktimes (10:38) Lazy Bridging (27:09) RaaS Provider Conflict (31:14) Espresso Mainnet (44:05) Sequencing Layer on Celestia (53:41) Market Timing - - Disclaimer Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation. Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.