In this episode of Expansion, we dive deep into the intersection of crypto, AI, and intellectual property. Our guests, Daniel from Modulus Labs and Jason from Story Protocol, explore how zero-knowledge proofs can provide trust and verification for AI models. They discuss the potential of programmable IP on blockchains, the future of creativity in an AI-driven world, and how these technologies could revolutionize industries from healthcare to education. The conversation culminates in a vision of blockchain as the essential trust layer for intelligent machines, potentially reshaping our understanding of digital identity and interaction. - - Follow Daniel: https://twitter.com/realdanielshorr Follow Jason:https://twitter.com/jasonjzhao Follow Rex: https://x.com/LogarithmicRex Follow nosleepjon: https://x.com/nosleepjon Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@expansionpod Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1 Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Join us at Permissionless III Oct 9-11. Use code: EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iii -- Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:42) The Crypto & AI Intersection (10:46) Permissionless III Ad (12:06) Evolution of zkAI (18:31) Efficiency of On and Offchain Worlds (28:48) Spam Filtering AI (36:03) Does AI Own IP? (42:09) Scaling AI Model Verification (50:59) End Game of Creativity & zkAI - - Disclaimer Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation. Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.