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Rebel FM Game Club: Freedom Force vs. The Third Reich -- Episode 1
Join the regular Game Club crew as we discuss Irrational Games' Freedom Force vs. The Third Reich. This episode covers all the way through the second fight about Red Oktober. For the next episode we ask that you play through the 8th level. Enjoy!
[Music] You're an asshole. Hello and welcome to the first episode of our Freedom Force versus the Third Reich Game Club. Yes. I am Anthony Gallegos with Tyler Barber. Hey Internet. Arthur Geeze. I hate you when you look at other people and say my name. I know you. You were throwing me up too. Arthur Geeze. You said my name twice, yes well. But you didn't immediately speak, which makes it hard to identify you based on just your voice. Well you need to be looking at me when you're saying my name. No. Look at me. I don't. Hey. Hello. You never look at Matt when you say his name. It's because I don't need it. So I listen. I use my ears. They're big enough. I'm usually looking at Matt when I'm crying out his name either. Usually you're facing the opposite direction. Well that's true. So who here has played the original Freedom Force? Nada. So I guess that opening the way it opens, which if you're ever listening to this I assume you know that it's a game about superheroes. But the way it opens up is that it tells the basic story. I guess what happened in the last game. Yeah what I get it's like a previously on. That's what it seemed like to me. So I guess it ended with you losing what's his name? The Metal Manbot. Manbot forever. Yeah like Manbot goes to hold closed the portal in the other dimension. Yeah. So the yeah. Manbot. Well first of all let's just talk about before we go mission by mission. How's everyone feeling about it thus far? You know right now I'm feeling it's not as awesome as people told me it was. Thank you. That's what I'm feeling right now. Not to be a downer. But that's kind of what I'm feeling. Maybe it's because we've played so many games that I've had to fight my way through on the game club. But like now this one I'm actually enjoying it quite a bit. Just because it's actually well made at least like for. Yeah that's true. Well see my thing is that I feel like it's so sorry I totally interrupt you. But like I feel like I'm like maybe it might just be because I'm right in the beginning of the game. And so far I've just done a bunch of tutorial stuff in this one. There's only this one mission. It's very slow burn so far. Yeah. Man I'm loving it. I absolutely like. Like a McRib. You know my first bar aware game I think I played was. Your first new. It was Night Seal Republic. This is not Bioware. This is. I mean oh god. Why was I thinking Bioware? Because Bioware is all been fucking talking to you. My first. I'm sorry. My first irrational game was Bioshock. So like when I was playing it. Most people I think. Yeah yeah probably. I'm probably like most people. So when I was playing it in the beginning it was like wow. I can see the pedigree of like this team who really is developing you know like this little universe like this story didn't you know. I mean it's a lot and a lot of ways it's kind of it reminds me of the PC Baldur's Gate games. With the ability to pause and issue commands like that. In fact I found myself because I'm still playing Dragon Age and like over and over again. And I found myself trying to control my characters in the same way I do in Dragon Age. I like the controls in this though. Using being able to use the mouse to basically do everything feels really nice. Like being able to just pause it by holding down right click and issue orders by holding down right clicking selecting like all those things are like way more intuitive than I thought it would be. Yeah. I actually was when I when I heard about the game and heard it was like a game where you play as multiple superheroes and have to use powers immediately because wow has come out. I pictured it being like wow where I would click on the hero and he would have a hot keyboard. It's much more like an occasionally turn based don of war than then wow. Yeah. I mean it is it's like an RTS game where you do have to worry about things like the way I mean terrain and stuff actually plays into it more than I thought it would. By the time especially with your flying characters. Right. Yeah man. And it's so cool like a yeah I'm loving it's totally bringing back to like me to the days when I would play pen and paper superhero RPGs like you know my brother and I and all his friends used to nerd out with like oh man dude so totally like a Marvel role playing games. Wow. Would you guys create your own supers have you has anyone created their own superhero. Yeah. No I haven't either. I didn't know. Is that an option? Yeah. Yeah but I don't know. I think you have to you create them and then you give them powers and weaknesses and then you have to recruit them. Yeah. You have to pay to recruit them so I'm pretty sure I don't know because I haven't done it but it wouldn't surprise me if like each power you give them and weakness it affects their cost. Yeah. Prestige is going to cost recruit them you can create your own hero you could create Tyler Barber. Come in. Awesome. Dude what would your superpower be as Tyler Barber. Oh man I don't want style style I'd be if I was a comic book character I always say I'd be that guy long shot. I don't know if you guys remember him it was like a killer who was in mojo world. Yeah it's like he's just like he doesn't have a power he's just like a lucky with a bow. Yeah. It's like he flashes his like cybernetic eye and like lucky shit happens and he has throwing knives I think. Yeah. That would be me. I mean some lucky guy. That was okay. Oh there you go. Oh yeah. If I made a hero in that game I would make them fly for sure because so far in this game like the non-flying heroes are like instantly less valuable no they're not useless because I really actually like a like what's his name captain freedom is that his name. Miniteman. Miniteman. Like Miniteman is a great hero. Like I liked him a lot and he's but you know the fact that he can't fly. He's crazy strong. He is crazy strong. Like his melee attack does like more damage than anyone else is like his like range attacking might as well he pissing in the wind. Yeah. Yeah but that melee one I mean it's like 28 damage and everyone else does like six. Yep. And the mentor does that much too but the mentor is fucking useless. But the mentor doesn't have like the things like Miniteman does where he can turn on a shield that deflects enemy bullets back into enemies and stuff like that. That's fun. But the mentor guy looks like he has nutsack head. It's true. Which I guess I guess the way that the storyline basically tells you is that Miniteman is one of the aliens that threw down energy X on earth to make evil people because they want earth to destroy itself and then he is one of the one that's the good one. Miniteman told decided that wasn't good so he gave energy X to good people. Yeah. To make it. Oh yeah. Here's the fight. More sense if we play the first game. Right. I mean this is just what I gathered off of the first one. I thought it was told pretty well. I got it all. I also really liked the little secret identity cinematic things. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The secret origins. Those are really fun. They're drawn like really like they really did capture that like 1950s. The jack company style of illustration and Steve Dico and stuff like that. Sure. Well done. Well he said. Well I saw an Elliot's Twitter. There was a speed drawing of the man bot character that he posted that was really you know I mean I I love that was cool so that was really cool for me to see how they did that but I mean there were prostitutes. You know all the all the characters are totally kidding. All the characters are totally like derivative obviously like man bots like the original Iron Man. Yeah. He's just like the original Iron Man and totally like Miniteman might as well be like Captain America. Right. He is but I mean. That's a total. But it's funny too because it's like one of those things that's like you know people are so quick to like point fingers that like you know racism are wrong doing and it's like this is like one of those games where I don't feel like it is but it would it's like. Except when they get stereotypes I mean like help the oblow is like yeah he is he is off the chain. I mean he wasn't like the origin story origin story is like he's like a a cook like I think like a cook in a city and all of a sudden he gets powers and then he becomes El Diablo. I'm not sure. And he just talked about doing chicks like for the first 15 minutes he's on the screen and then there was the green green genie yeah I was gonna say she's like oh my god like her that's the kind of thing that'll get you fired at the profit on you these days yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's just like one of those things it's like it's not necessarily being totally insensitive but I feel like it's one of those things that now it is pretty much is being totally insensitive. I just think that the problem is the games at that point it's interesting how far games have come in the last few years that they're able to deal with that subject matter better but just it's sort of limitations of its presentation. At the same time like as far as like old comics and stuff that's totally the way old comics and stuff would represent it. Oh it was. Yeah. That's how I'm reading into it too that they're drawing on that sort of like they would have just stereotyped. Yeah because this because it came out in 2005 like that's not that long ago. No but I'm not even saying 2004 I'm saying comics like in the 50s and stuff would have been like genies Arab people yeah exactly yes I don't know I feel like the stuff that it was sort of implied and like very lightly indicated in comics then is very heavily heavy handedly sarcastically presented in this well of course I get that it's supposed to be sarcastic and sort of off-handed but at times it's just like oh that sort of fell flat. I mean the yeah it's totally supposed to be like heavy handed that's why like the mentor talks like this right and the mentor is totally the same announcer from like super friends you know. Yeah. Either is that same guy or somebody who sounds so much like him it's amazing yeah super friends yeah I mean uh but the the I really dig like the aesthetic the game has oh cool I was just talking stuff is like is like really well done and I like the comic cut scenes and the comic cut scenes are good and you know I mean it's still it doesn't look awful at least you know it's not like a great looking game but in my opinion doesn't look bad I don't like Warcraft 3 or something yeah I think it looks really good I mean on my excuse me I'm so sorry no no go ahead but I was just saying like on my computer um like the lighting on you know in the stage when you go to Cuba and like half of Cuba's frozen over I mean like the lighting and it's just really really good and uh and and some of the buildings like have a slight cell shading and stuff that combined with the fact that it does do physics and stuff like that as far as like the way rocks and stuff will damage or your blast effects will send things flying and stuff. It's funny I like I it's too bad that they tell you not to destroy civilian buildings and stuff like that because the lawyer prestige because it looks really cool when you do. I accidentally did it during the training period. Yeah so did I. Oh well have man bought pick a pole and swing it at the enemy and eat swung and missed and knock down a fucking building. Well in the in the training mission I think there's one building you're supposed to destroy at some point because I think they wanted to tell you yeah there's a piece of building that blows up way before that but I could destroy buildings um yeah I mean that what did you guys think of that first training mission it's a little slow paced but I mean it's good because that game would have been kind of overwhelming. No I wouldn't I would have had no idea how to control things without that tutorial and it helped a lot because like you said before this game has such a unique control scheme I wouldn't have gotten used to it and it made me think the alchemist was actually worthwhile because I think if I had played she actually is like someone had dropped her in later on I don't think I would have used her because she doesn't have that much character she doesn't have that much active damage yeah no but she's actually more than a support character because that that arcane bolt that she does is pretty powerful but combine that with her alterations spell yeah the alteration the alteration spell and the knockball the repulsion yes I use that repulsion yeah I use that on people that are on building exactly it does so much damage when they hit the ground yeah yeah and she's like one of my go-to now well she was the one that actually made me thought well maybe I do want green genie because green genie is clearly all supportive but I didn't hire her I ended up hiring a bullet instead oh no the bullet boy bullet right bullet you get but you the only two yet I got later the first two you have to pay for is Liberty Boy or green genie I did get Liberty Boy I avoided Liberty Boy because I'm just like oh great baby like Captain Liberty or whatever baby David Ellis those grenades right so ranged character but I saw how well his fucking grenades worked against me when I played against him so I'm like yeah yeah but the great I got the green genie and I regretted it really I've been using her and I'm I have a I mean she's so fast like I'll just haul ass I'll send her in really quick and then that's how I get my minute man to the battle like that I'll send her in there and swap positions swap them positions and then she chills in the back and just well maybe I just have been you figured out how to use it so that's what I like I like bullet force because he rushes in and knocks people down I mean bullets great like after using him the mission where you're forced to I mean he's now like yeah it's hard to hard to I don't remember how to use to the first mission where you get bullet it pretty much it's on he's like automatically in your roster I think you know I don't I don't remember he was available he was available to use but yeah I never picked the only one that maybe I just picked him because he was on your roster was minute man I think yeah he was the only one that was forced but I I liked minute man and I liked bullet but I just there are so many characters that I don't feel like I'm at a loss if I don't have so I mean yeah when you see the beginning there's like 14 characters there's like oh man well for me that beginning I was kind of overwhelmed I was like there's no way I'm gonna be able to master all of these characters yeah I mean I think you end up probably I imagine you like for now there's like no mission where I don't want to take El Diablo like he's like he's the best he's just way too good like I mean he can die really easy his hit points are really low he's got the two stand-up things but he has two not only have two stand-up things but he's usually fast enough to fly away and that area of effect blast he has is just too good as long as you fucking avoid friendly fire I know when I first saw that like you can deal friendly damage excuse me got some I throw like when uh when I had man bot grab a a telephone pole and he swung it and minute man was in the way and took damage I was like oh shit like I gotta care about this snap yeah my my problem hit no or maybe it could have hit somebody I was with doesn't but my uh for for me it was the uh my problem with um elf uh with el Diablo's like giant elf for yeah I almost said elf wago his uh his giant fireball attack is that all the enemies are running toward you and it's really hard to time you have time where they're gonna be yeah it's hard to time where they're going to be but it is nice like when you can get the drop on a group of guys and take them all out which is one shot nobody else even does anything which reminds me have you figured out yet how people actually get experienced do they get experience based on it no it's actually it seems like it's actually just like at the end of the level they got experience because there's that first level you do where all of a sudden alchemist is like the only one that gets experienced and no one else does right and then after that and I think what it is is because if you look a lot of the heroes when you first get them like when you first get tombstone he doesn't get experience right because he's already like a higher level than everyone else oh okay and so then once they're caught up it seems like they said that's what I didn't understand because for like two of those stages minute man wasn't getting any experience right and that's because he's already way higher than everyone else that's why he can take it on the chin like a champion man right um okay well that makes sense then I couldn't figure that part out I was like I was because I was like actually having heroes hold back so that other heroes could get the killing blow to see if they could get experience you know um so after you do the first mission the tutorial mission you know and you get back together with uh it's kind of funny when you think about it's like these so it's like a few heroes stay with mentor all the time okay some shit goes down and then everyone else what just like well no it's things that it takes place after man bot was lost so everyone's sort of like taking stock of their lives and on their little sabbatical yeah it was like because the world was brought to peace so you need the superheroes anymore so in the second mission you do which is uh taking care of the freeze ray in uh cuba who's who's the line up you have in that one it's it's mentor alchemist and and ldubba ldubba and that's it was it mentor this is the only mission where you have to use him right because like the in the planes are dropping bombs randomly right and that this mission actually the first time we did it like a like I tried it I died in the first five minutes a bomb hit me killed like both like two people immediately and had to use their stand up things and then it was like after that I didn't really know what I was doing and those ice monsters before I understood that if I was flying they couldn't hit the flying characters at all like I just tried to melee attack them and they just murdered me this is the hardest game I've ever played and then I paid attention to that tool tip that was like if you're flying certain guys can attack you and I was like oh well I was I was going straight through this stage and it wasn't until the stage after this that I realized I really do need to look all over the map to get all the little bonus items yes and to complete the secondary objectives yeah yeah I didn't do the secondary objective on this first mission one to kill the freeze ray before it kills what 10 planes six six bombers there are a few different secondary I got the one for killing all the ice men there's one for killing all the ice men there's one for taking out all the soldiers there's one for taking up the freeze ray before it destroys six six planes and I feel like there's something else I think I got them all then except for the bombers because I took my sweet ass time going back and forth across the whole map but yeah this is the first mission where you figure out that like you know things like being on top of buildings really do matter like being able to get the drop on and the way it shows you that is by having dudes shooting at you from the tops of buildings yeah I don't know that's when I first realized that like having a non-flaying character kind of sucks because that whole mission like for me mentor was like a liability because he would always run in and then he'd just take a shit ton of damage because especially because most of his attacks are melee attacks if he tried to engage one of those ice men they would just beat on him so I didn't even bother yeah I was always I was always using his uh like his fight people yeah like his yeah whatever that power was yeah well what a sanity or something like that I generally had two flyers and two dudes on the ground and I would like whatever the numbers you know because you hit the number key and you pull them up I would pull both flyers up send them into battle let them get halfway there and then run my guys on the ground and just so they can well in this mission though you only had three people yeah this mission particularly the mentors just like a liability because I was basically relying on this was because he was a liability I figured out the like oh well if I actually have him pick up shit and throw it then you can almost always take out anything in one hit as long as you hit them with it huh yeah I guess I never really try and throw that many things yeah because he's uh because mentors actually a strong character so he can pick up stuff and throw it I mean it does seem like this level is intended to show like demonstrate the the need to manage each kind of character in a different way yeah mentor is a strong character and alchemist is a support character and uh El Diablo I keep almost saying El Forte El Diablo is a good damage outputter like in the distance and so it's sort of like well the uh the red suited guy with the more powerful freeze gun I'll incapacitate him with alchemist and then I'll deal with the other guys or I'll drop inferno on him and whoever's around him with uh with El Diablo and do clean up on the sides with mentor yeah the the only annoying thing to me is that there's even the option to have alchemist and El Diablo on the ground like it seems so pointless to me it almost seems like because when they get knocked down you have to tell them you have to tell them to get back up and play them or if they pick up I want like an I want like an auto fly yeah because they're worthless on the ground and uh speaking of auto stuff is there a way um to make your uh your heroes automatically attack hostile enemies around are you is it the same attack if they get attacked yeah but they won't attack but they won't just you can't just say like move in and they'll attack um they have to get attacked first if you have a range attack set as their default I think they might attack things only if they get attacked first otherwise you have to at least left click on them yeah you have to like in the default okay I've all I've also had problems where like I'll left click on somebody and for no apparent reason oh it'll just go like that actually is the sound of uh I think you told them to do it I think no no there's like a there's like kind of a click sound when you when you do it and this is like a you fucked up and this is like you can't do it and it's like and he'll like this is just an example I don't know if this actually happened to me but let's just say that like um Diablo is there and he's flying near somebody and I left click on the one guy and he kills the one guy and I left click on another guy and goes and so like then I'll have uh Diablo like move like five feet away and then I'll click on and get it at work yeah I've had a couple times where I've told him to like move in and do the inferno attack and instead of doing it he'll just fly to the spot where I told him to drop it like I've had a like not work exactly a couple of times too which is annoying but yeah I mean it's it's it hasn't been like game ending or anything ever no um yeah that first mission I mean it people are right like it does start off really easy like several people I don't know I feel like that first mission was kind of hard well it was hard the first time because I didn't know to fly but then as soon as I learned that I just but again I guess maybe if I was trying to do all the objectives you did it would have been a lot harder it's all I just didn't I paced myself going to the Ray gun I wasn't like pushing super hard you know it's also it's also hard if you don't know to if you don't really pay attention to the bombs dropping yeah that oh man um the thing that annoyed me is that if you actually want to do the mission and get all the secondary objectives you have to sort of game the system no pun intended like you have to knock out the main boss after destroying the gun but not interrogate him and then go back into the level and start taking out the rest of the stuff because otherwise they will totally shoot down the number of bombers that you're supposed to avoid oh I got you and there's also experience and prestige hidden throughout the levels and that's kind of important yeah and so that in that case like when you pick up experience points with a specific hero they do get the experience yes right it's for them it's not for your whole team no it's just for them and I just wanted to be clear on that yeah so you got to be kind of picky about who does it right yep um so yeah this first mission pretty easy the which is not what I would say about the the next mission the next mission where you're in Cuba and it's like has the frozen this is the one with the half frozen you immediately start and now you have minute man and you have to figure out which of the villagers and you also have a tombstone now to have to figure out which of the villagers is uh working as an agent for what's her name for red october red october okay um so I liked tombstone but not in the way that I expected to at first I thought that he'd be damaged doing character yeah I thought he was gonna be all about his pistols that I just used tombstone to find the most powerful enemy on the field and possess it yeah yep yeah and even if there's nothing else on the field I just like take over that and have it stand still while the other three guys just beat the crap out of it yeah exactly especially with the abominable snowman yeah I mean honestly tombstone doesn't really have any good damage output no take his melee attack is decent okay but i'm still frosting to get beat on pretty easy too though if he's not careful mm-hmm yeah I think I like about tombstone the most is his voice I mean yeah he's just an awesome yeah he's just an awesome badass character yeah I like to like everyone else is like you don't I miss cheesy superhero and he's like what were you busy doing he was like I'm dealing this I got executed um I liked his intro story what I don't like is that his costume which is like the fucked up death row outfit was totally better was so so much better than like the fucking tights they put him in yeah and of course he couldn't leave him in tights or they couldn't not put him in tights because of the fucking game that it is god damn it yeah it looks like an incredible hulk type thing instead of like so bad a gay punisher so this mission that we're doing I actually I actually failed this one right off the bat because I uh did you punch a villager yeah I thought I thought that's what I was supposed to do I didn't know that you were supposed to walk up to them I thought he said you know you're probably gonna have to rough him up a little bit to find out so I'm like okay each villager I just cut up I just gotta punch him a little bit so that they'll talk and then I hit him with minute man you killed him outright I was like I'm very objective failed yep so I restarted so I didn't know I mean I'm in many punches so hard punch that guy's head off so poor little innocent villager yeah I don't know I'm but uh one of you guys talk away how did you did you guys uh do well at this part like did everyone do it first try because I did it first try the whole mission yeah the whole mission yeah this whole mission took me I didn't know several tries yeah yeah you mean up until you go into red Sunday's layer right yes yeah yeah like this for some reason I didn't have any problem with this because doing the first part after even after I finally figured out that I only need to beat on the one I went around and I ended up having like someone get down to twice right by an assault of the guards like I think it was like El Diablo and I was like well now I can't do it right I'm already down twice well I mean to be clear like I no I'm sorry oh and I was just gonna say in the part with the hands where you have to take out all four at once one of my characters died permanently right off the bat which meant that basically there was like almost no way I could get all four at once right well you kind of can if you move quickly between a couple yeah a minute man could take out two really quick yeah I was just having I was in bad shape I was in a bad place mentally I just wasn't having that much trouble with everything I don't know what it why that is yeah I'm but yeah I'm I'm playing a lot with the game paused like all pause like I've been I spent a ton I spent all the time pause really okay well I thought maybe that might have been it no I just think that a game yeah no I just think that it was uh I was having a hard time like having like the alchemist or uh or tombstone take out the hands that I needed them to take out fast enough because they don't put out that much damage like no I'm sure you're just bad a game would run up and kill the other two but once the other time worked out and I knew immediately that four hands were gonna come up because uh and it was like the combined with the four hands slash all my guys in the ground were being chased by like one of those yeti things and like two snowmen that you could never permanently kill right so but for me the snow once I I took out the enemies by the hands and then sent everybody to their individual hands once I did that the snowman that would spawn in the middle never chased me they just stood like because they couldn't see anybody well that depends on where they are though I mean like if you ended up I ended up downing one of these snowmen near the hands on the left hand side so he was always chasing you'd always stand up yeah that happened to me too so yeah but the second time when I played it was so simple run around talk to the villagers then run up to there and I immediately just told them you know each take a hand and it was like it took like two seconds now the fight with uh with red october on the other hand that is another one I barely won like did you guys like I had a lot of trouble with that because she's basically minuteman and tombstone were all but worthless yeah don't even bother with them because like what you can what you can do is use alchemist's confused power what's it called again alteration alteration like because I clicked on her with alchemist and I and I saw oh the alteration had the the glowing starburst behind now like so she's super susceptible to alteration so I used that and basically I just had her uh panicking or held like all the time and she won't fly when she does that she never well she actually flew really far away from me like she panicked and she flew way way south and then I ended up killing her when she was way way south and she was standing near one of the villagers and then it said to interrogate her and I had right click on her and whoever I was click on would go like I can't do that well enemies are around and it was because one of those stupid villagers was walking back and forth near her and so I ended up actually having to possess her and then have her move away oh dude and then and then like wait until the possession was released and then interrogate that's still awesome that you did that that was a well played I had a hard time doing it just because between El Diablo and alchemist they couldn't put out that much damage to her and the other two guys in the ground I was just spending that whole fight kiting them around so that the ground enemies would chase them and keep them away from the two people that were fighting red october yeah but like alchemist and like you know El Diablo at least not in that much damage I'll put and I was always getting knocked to the ground but I couldn't figure out how to knock her to the ground so that I could use like you know a minute man on did you did you upgrade alchemist and the oblows ranged attack I did but I just I mean I I just was wondering if there was was there a way to knock red october to the ground to make minute man more useful now I don't think so otherwise his his ranged attack is like yeah I had I just had minute man running damage control and the stuff that we get summoned if I recall see I didn't have it well he couldn't stand up to it as far like as when I was trying so I just had him running in circles it sounds like you didn't have a lot of life left yeah I just I was just had him running in circles because they would just chase him did you he was just did you grab all the health around the level yeah I did it's just that he's tried to stand up if he's fighting like two of the snowmen he gets taken down pretty fast I mean I guess I just because I used tombstone take over one of the snowmen and dealt with that problem right away yeah I had I think I had tombstone shooting his guns a little time just because I was trying to kill red october well see I had once once she panicked once red october panicked from alchemist's spell and went way south I killed the snowman and left him downed and then I just ran everybody out of his range so he didn't get up and chase anybody but you're right like Minuteman was basically useless I had everybody using their range attacks on her but like it was obviously it was just alchemist and Diablo that were doing any real damage but it was it was interesting to me like that whole that whole section because I found that I had a lot of problems selecting the right hero like I was always right clicking and not thinking and thinking I was selected on a different hero than I was like go someplace they didn't yeah yeah this is when I started using the number keys yeah now and now I'm like now I'm mapped to those number keys instead of clicking on a hero like at first I I was always on the WASD keys to move the map around but eventually I was like you know what the number keys are going to be where my left hand belongs for this game yeah definitely um and also especially if you can learn to hold down your the whole down the shift with your pinky so you can select like you know one and three at the same time or something I understand these finger gymnastics you do that a lot I used to do everything with just a keyboard including first person shooters back in the day back in the day um i'm old school remember when a controller seemed like the most amazing thing for a first person shooter remember when controllers only had two buttons so i can put circle strafing on the shoulder buttons so the uh the next mission which is the last one we should have played which is long it's weird yeah because it's it actually has a port where it goes to like a menu screen yeah it tells you experience and then it goes right back into the level instead of going back to a briefing room or anything it seemed like a weird kind of thing well long i think it's because the mission is long they wanted to give you a chance to upgrade yeah i mean the mission's long and and kind of repetitious in the sense that it's just like one tunnel so i'm gonna introduce some new enemies and some new stuff like an introduce like you save the frogs yeah which are people but again in this one he's turned into how can i use my my flying characters to do damage while the ground characters kite people right those like those yetis when i i mean i could have sent in my guys and had him fight him but when i figured out that the yetis can't basically do anything to my flying characters it just made it too tempting not to run in there i feel like in this part there is just so often where i just tell everybody to attack the same guy until he was dead and then the next guy in the i mean they usually do just send one yeti at you at a time or something you know unless it was like a group of shame and then i would send an ld obla with his uh i was gonna ask and i take over i was gonna ask when they when those two shame and come out right what do they even do because when they appeared for me i immediately told ld obla to do his blast deck and he killed him instantly yeah they never kind of they never did anything no i only ever fought two yeah there's a few different encounters over the place green shame and all over the place and i get spawned to the level yeah other i they keep spawning at the boss fight oh but see i didn't do the boss fight because the boss fights uh is a different level the briefing was a different level you fight around october you have to beat red october again and that's a different but if you look at the let in the name of the level it was it is a different level than what we were going to play no it's play through that level we were supposed to stop in the next one we were supposed to play through where the the levels are called the sorceress in the soviet and that level where you fight red october you actually do the boss fight um i think that was part of the sorceress in soviet i was looking at the fact and it was i just played all the i just assumed we were supposed to beat red october so i played all the way through it doesn't matter well i don't matter i did but anyway there was a whole bunch of shame in like once you go like even past the that first mission briefing that you were talking about because that's where i actually brought bullet in was during that middle mission briefing um after that there's like a bunch more those green shame and guys around they were wherever there was a cauldron that you needed to kill there was usually a cliff with two or three of those guys up there yeah yeah so for me it would just involve like having uh captain america i just keep thinking about it whatever just contacted america which i should remember because it's funny sexual double entendre well i think that i'd remember a minute i think it's also funny because you know like these days minutemen are idiots that go down and build chain link fences yeah like that's what i think does along the next thing with like hunting rifles and lawn chairs on the border yeah exactly the mexicans um but yeah i would apologize for offending someone but i don't really care if i offend i yeah you can offend those guys all you want they're for a game um but usually it would involve him destroying the cauldron while everyone else was distracting people yeah yeah exactly well because he could do it in like one hit but i also found that uh bullet was really good like if i used his three punch attack yeah i could basically charge in there and go boom boom called him dead and bullet can actually hit red october when she's flying even though he doesn't because he you can do that whirlwind thing where he shoots into another hitter oh that's nice and that's how that's actually how i killed her it knocked her way up into there and she fell down and took a ton of damage nice now that works yeah i like bullet just because he's so speedy yeah i really want to unlock it doesn't he have a is it only green genie that has a swap power i thought he has one you can unlock too no i think that they they're all of them have a lot of stuff that you can unlock um i'm pretty sure i guess i did fight all the way through her i guess i i guess i really right no i looked and i and i did how much you've been drinking boy because i stopped when i saw it called the mission the ice man coming yeah so i guess i did which is after you beat red october and she joins you i honestly guess i just don't remember because i beat it this is i guess this is the bad part about beating ahead of time for game club instead of waiting for the last minute right shoddy all simers you know yeah so for this mission at this point you had arthur you had uh liberty boy no no you had so did anybody take liberty boy i think green genie i actually i didn't buy either of them at this point i bought liberty boy but i didn't actually use him and the reason why i bought him is because you know how has their stats up at the top he said like extraordinary stupendous best fucking guy ever for like every single step was that stat yeah and i was like all right i'm gonna buy him because green genie stats were all like you know regular yeah i guess i i guess i i guess i bought her just because uh of the her video so i just assumed that that was who i should go with uh yeah so my my lineup in this one through the caves was uh green genie minute man bullet because he's awesome and i took him again because he was new and uh ld obla and ld obla yeah i left that tombstone for now so i just i can't imagine going into a mission without tombstone now for me it's it's ld obla the obla is like ld obla is anytime i run into like something huge i'm just like possess i've i've totally gotten used to having ld obla and alchemist on the same team i'm ld obla and tombstone for me i might go to snoo nice see that i left behind alchemist and i'm using the genie and tombstone as both of my like crowd controllers because like genie has the power where she can turn enemies into a bouquet of flowers right so it's like i'll have her turn someone i'll have um tombstone possess someone and there's two enemies down already and then i got ld obla and uh you know whoever else yeah and you just send the possessed enemies in to distract the guys and then throw like the inferno at them and yeah next fight yeah yeah i mean i i had a real easy time all through this too man it's like so much to where i i i actually had the idea of like not destroying the cauldrons and like thinking like man i wonder if i can just get a bunch of experience but i didn't know if that's how experience work i don't think it is if it did you fucking genius yeah i told it's just sorry go ahead no no no you go ahead i just can ask tyler if you felt guilty leaving them behind but oh i mean i honestly didn't fight too many of uh i still like i'm i'm looking and i'm like remembering are you looking at naked pictures no i was trying to look at pictures of the red october fight because i i'm having such hard time there was a really big cauldron it was like the biggest one and you pound on it and pound on eventually it it empties once enough guys spawn but then you have to keep there a lot of the uh the alchemist dudes show you guys didn't finish for the uh that's not a you would you remember the giant cauldron because it was like the big part of that boss battle failure yeah after all the shit you gave me all weekend about finishing this game hey to be fair i've i've played through every game club segment ever there's definitely been ones that you have haven't finished at all there've been two well which was half-life two episode two which i have played through three times already i'm just saying and the thing i part of which i got you through thank you very much i but i so don't give me a bunch of shit like through all the all the all the through the second half of this level i guess i guess i must have forgot to go back yeah well it's basically same same thing on the other side just the boss battle yeah it's a boss battle with a giant cauldron then the thing about it is that i could keep spawning those shayman and you have to keep damaging the cauldron and you have to keep red october occupied so yes you you are using like all of your heroes powers like all the time man that cauldron was my top priority right away yeah like to the point where i actually let my guys take some damage from some of the other people because i was right the cauldron the cauldron is it then we can kill everything well it was easy to possess though you guys did y'all possess i tried possessing her and all i did was put the little skull over which gave her a penalty but it never possessed i didn't i didn't i didn't possess her but i did use the i did use alchemist's curses on her a lot and that takes her out of the battle the entire time so there's a reason i didn't play because look at this guy nails it whose name is lord of the rings dan and he says uh by the way despite what popa gamers fact may say the level that we are supposed to play to is not be aware of the sorceress and the soviet part two because that level does not exist the level after beware the source in the soviet is called this cauldron bruise evil that's why i stopped because i saw a different name and i assumed i was done but i should have played till i finished her off god i didn't bring alchemist with me because i left her in front of the stove where she belongs i mean it is right after the like it's cold war stuff so technically that's what they believed back then yeah more than one person talked about like uh yeah like he's that same guy continues that my base complaint about this game is that the alchemist is rather central to the narrative and she's easily my least favorite character of the freedom force members she is kind of boring just boring yeah very boring yeah i mean she has an interesting origin i suppose except for the fact that she's a total bitch he gets she's she's a she's a beautiful southern bale it's just yeah yeah why couldn't her roommate get it yeah really her roommate was her roommate she'd have gotten it and then she should have gotten the crap beaten out of her but i don't know i thought her uh i still like alchemist's powers i find them very useful yeah no those are good she has a good mix of uh of battlefield control and defense no i mean she is i just and i i think uh i think it's going to be really interesting as we go on in this game because we're because more and more we'll probably find that our tactics are going to diverge and the heroes that we're using are going oh yeah i'm going to take cuts with audible as soon as i can dude yeah he's clearly like just a healer priest yeah he's a healer guy but he's also it seems like he's super super strong so it should be that should be a lot of fun and he's not wearing a shirt how can i pass that up i know you like guys without shirts they do that's why i'm not wearing one right now i know that's because you like the field pee-pee skin peeps fur against your skin well that too um sorry so when did we get to create our other super heroes just from the menu you can just go in the menu and do it the thing is like the more the more powers you give them the more prestige they cost and then you can give them weaknesses to lower that but okay like green genie has a ton of weaknesses like she's got brittle bones and shit and she's dumb oh she's vulnerable to like mind powers and shit yeah it's like oh shiny so yeah so you guys should continue to talk about the the second portion of this level let's talk about that time green genie already talked about it the fight i mean the fight you guys no one had no one had particular trouble with that because it seemed like a lot of the comments the users were saying that if you didn't like immediately send a minute man to the cauldron you were at well i started that could be but that's what i did that's what i did too i like i just assumed that oh here's something generating enemies i should kill that first yeah that's pretty much it like standard game convention like kill the enemy creator first yeah i mean duh what did you guys do to control red october then during that time i used alchemist's powers and she honestly she was flying around more than doing anything while the enemies were on the screen i wasn't she doesn't deal a lot of damage she just is really hard to hit and tyler said he possessed her so yeah or but you know what i don't think i did because what i in my minds i see those skulls on here so i don't think i did possess her yeah that's like a penalty if the the possession fails but i don't feel like i've tried to possess the shit out of her and it failed uh that's why she was fighting for me during this battle i know that i possess well she might have been because if you use green genie green genie has that ability doesn't she where she can turn a character into an enemy to fight that a minion that will fight for you yeah i would use that a lot maybe maybe i use that on someone else i don't know but yeah i didn't have much trouble i mean i remember just kind of taking my time well i took the i took the yeti and had him pound on the the caldern along with uh i miniman i like that green genie ability by the way to transmute like turn someone into an object but i really don't like the fact that they can't be hurt when they're that object right yeah like i even saw the ability that miniman could pick up the object that i turned them into so i was like oh badass can i turn them into a vase and then like smash them on the ground but no it doesn't matter easy they just do like yeah like no damage yeah but i thought it was like a quick because he uses a lot of her power yeah so i thought it was like boom turn someone in kill them instantly move on but it was not to be no that's tombstone take someone over having stand still while you beat the crap out of them right every person's superpower fantasy but so far he's like such a like that's just the reason that i'm not sure if i like him because he seems like that's like his only trick well there's so many there's so many he also throws medicine that's true there's so many heroes that i'm really wondering you know what kind of combinations are going to be totally useless and what what are going to be totally rad and if we're going to run across like the god combo where if you have these two characters with these two powers you never need to you never need anybody else and i mean there's no multiplayer in this game right not that i know of no so it's easy for that to happen where there's sort of the magic combination is there there's not a skirmish mode or anything right i don't think so i think there's just the story mode i feel like that would be an awesome addition to this game where you could just like sort of have these randomly generated scenarios and take heroes in an experiment yeah that could be fun so where are we playing up to next week do we know no let me lift that up real quick sorry i was text messaging my boss because he not only did he text me but he also called me that's why i'm my own boss what was that about yeah don't work stuff okay work stuff don't work stuff back to get club so let's see the ice band cometh is the next level then a time of war and the voice of doom so how many levels are there um let's see do i go up or down in this fact what's closer figuring this out 25 million oh fuck it's a 13 week game club folks no let's see there's uh there's 16 wait no there's more than that sorry i'm confusing you well they're pretty so far they're pretty short like a lot of the people in the comments they are pretty talked about how those first levels uh you could beat them and like what some people will get them in under an hour like to me it took me like it took me like an hour or 45 minutes but but i'm sure that uh the levels get longer and more complex right so i guess we should play a little bit farther there's actually 21 all right so yeah pick pick like the next six levels or something seven or eight all right we'll play through we'll play through uh let's play through eight i think we should expect that this might take five weeks well or at least four i guess we'll see what this next one is like you know how long these levels take right i mean i mean none of us are really familiar we're all breathless starting out fuck yeah it took forever i mean yeah i could be that you know who knows this game could be like a lot of games where it's like uh like some missions are really long and then ones like yeah and i mean like that first cuba level was nothing and right after playing bayonetta thinking of a game with 21 missions makes me feel tired so we're gonna play through the level called red sun rising which is the eighth level all right sounds good to me so where does the third right coming so far i always sees damn commies i don't know the red menace perhaps you team up with the red the red menace to fight the third which by the way it was super funny to me what the villagers would say in cuba where they where they were like yeah all i want is my equality and it was hilarious my my uh my egalitarian paradise yeah the all the voice acting in that in the game is pretty yeah silly it is silly is a good word some of it's bad some of it's good i was in some of it's silly it's like some of it's bad we could have been hired as voice actors on this game yeah if you could just do like your best impersonation of like a horrible yeah super hero for a job done um so yeah play through five point eight for next week red sun rising and then five point eight well that's what that's how it's labeled in the fact everyone's using the same facts there's only one fact so finish red sun rising yeah but if you want to see the fact there's only one on game facts that is the only fact on the internet basically for this game so okay well done that's how i knew everyone everyone in the comments citing papa gamer you know because that is the fact writer for this so uh listen to our other friends podcasts the mob cast a bit mob.com the geek box at geekbox.net and then uh i guess i guess when to uh have finished with all those you should have already have watched the co-op show at area five.tv or revision three.com/co-op do you guys have a show going up this week or are you on break we are on a one-week break okay so season premiere season premiere two just is going up tonight at nine oh okay that's tonight well we're recording on monday so be sure to check that out um i guess we'll see you all uh next week yeah yeah let's continue a better life sweet freedom force penis freedom force so [BLANK_AUDIO]