Rebel FM
Rebel FM Episode 41 - 111909
Bonjour! Welcome to Episode 41 of Rebel FM. This week we start by talking about Left 4 Dead 2, Assassin's Creed II, Peggle Nights and more, then move on to a slightly spoilery conversation about Modern Warfare 2. However! We make clear mention of it before starting, and you can then skip to 1:18:20 to avoid any spoilers. Then we move on to the second segment and talk about your gaming bummers of 2009, and close out with letters. Misunderstood Penis!This week's music, in order of appearance: Tegan and Sara - On Directing;Hot Cross - Fatefully;Interpol - C'mere
[MUSIC] >> Welcome, welcome to Rebel FM episode 41, right? >> Yeah, we're over the hill. >> I am Anthony Lagos, your host for this fine hour or two with me, our co-hosts, Arthur Gees. >> Hello. >> And Tyler Barber. >> And this is your life, as a douche. >> Was there a discussion about the show's topic today that I was not proving to? >> Yeah, well, we're mainly going to discuss the fact that I am a pretentious hipster. >> Oh, right. So am I. >> What? >> And actually, Tyler is the down-to-earth one. >> What? Where did that come from? >> Some guy has people talk shit about us. >> Some guy on Twitter. He at replied to me saying, could you have dirty tea, post more, because you and Tyler, or you and Anthony are pretentious hipsters. >> My cat flattened Tyler's hat, sorry, sorry to take it into the cat. >> Jesus Christ. >> It looks like it's sort of like a wily coyote cartoon. >> My cat occasionally gets really addicted to weird smells, and apparently she decided Tyler's hat was it today. >> And she's got like the job of thing going on, so she does pancake that shit. >> Sorry. So we're here to talk about video games, and we're going to start off with games we've been playing. >> And before we. >> You need to get like a mouse in carbonite for peepee. >> Before we forget, I'm going to talk about Call of Duty for We, because that's what I've been playing over the last. >> And then we can a couple of days. >> Did we want to talk about Call of Duty or about Modern Warfare 2 at all? >> Yeah. >> I mean, talk about it, but I don't feel like going home. Talk about it, June. Just how we would normally. >> Let's say that for the end of what we've been playing so that I can tell people that if we mention any spoilers, I can just tell where they can skip to. >> Yeah, that's a good idea. >> Yeah, I mean, I don't really want to talk too specific about plot other than it's dumb. >> Yeah. >> But anyway, Modern Warfare Reflex, for we, is a shooter with lack of control. >> Yeah, it looks okay at times, and then other times it looks really bad. Like it was funny, because when Arthur walked up, and I've been talking about, I didn't think it looked good. He's like, "Oh, this looks pretty good." And I was like, "It's because it's in the dark, it's like a ugly girl you take home." And then when you wake up the next day and it's day like- >> And Tyler's, the look on Tyler's face mirrors my own when he said that actually. >> I do, and it's true, because the next part of the game, Arthur came in as like a desert level, and he's like, "Oh, it does look better at night." But it's true, I mean- >> It's more like a gothic person. >> Yeah, so, and yeah, I mean, it's not bad. The controls though, it's like I was telling Arthur, the nice thing about playing a first person shooter on PC or on a console is you fuck with one slider, right? You're like- >> Or two vertical and horizontal. >> But at most, really, most games are just mouse sensitivity, and that's it. But in this one, it's like, there's like eight preset control schemes that move like ten different sliders around to different positions. And that's what I've been going into, because I honestly just don't have the patience to go in there and sit there and tweak ten little sliders and change all my things myself. Because that's so annoying, like if I want to play a first person shooter, like I don't want to have to sit there and do math to fucking figure out my control scheme. >> Right, you don't want like, graphs and charts. >> And it's like I told Arthur that eventually the one thing I do like about it is that it allows you to map the controller however you want any button can be anything, just like a PC game would, like even gestures so you can do like shake the weebote is this. >> Oh, red. That's cool. >> Yeah, so I told Arthur the way I described it was I laid out the buttons in a way that I felt gimped me the least. >> So, but I mean, to get to that point, you had to experience the joy and majesty. >> Yeah, like I won control scheme I did was like, where you shake the, the, the nunchuck and it throws a regular grenade, you shake the weebote and it throws a frag, a stun. But every time I would like, you know, with the weeb, like I don't even think about it since I have that freedom, I'll go up and like scratch my eyebrow. And when I would like do so much as that, it would like throw a frag and I'd be like, fuck. So, or like, you know, when the weebote was, when the nunchuck was reload, that just felt stupid too. So I had to change it to like minus reload plus throw flag, frag grenade, a sprint, like it's like, there just isn't enough buttons that are easy to reach to make it like really worthwhile. Like having to the switch weapons like be up on the D pad on the weeb, the weeb's D pad sucks. It's like an horrible location that's awkward to reach up before. >> Yeah, it's really far. >> And having like a melee attack down on the D pad, like all those things just aren't easily reachable. >> So looking down iron sights, you hold down the Z button or whatever on the-- >> Yeah, that's pretty standard practice at this point on we-- >> So I mean, well, whatever happened to the games where you thrust your arm forward and that was like, I mean, down your iron sights. >> Right. Well, even-- I mean, this is better than that, obviously. >> I mean, didn't you have to do that in the Medal of Honor Heroes 2. >> You had to do that in Medal of Honor Heroes 2 to zoom in with the sniper rifle. >> Oh, okay. >> And then to zoom in farther, it was moved the weeb forward. >> But-- >> That's still dumb. >> Yeah. Yeah, really, there shouldn't be like scoping that you can do like slowly is dumb. I just want like preset scope like four times, two times, nothing. >> You're fucking contoured. >> Even on PC games, that's how I like it to be too, just a couple of settings. >> But you have a mouse? >> Right. Yeah, it's just-- it's kind of a mess. It's like you feel like you're doing the best with what's been given to you. Which is a shame because, you know, Modern Warfare is a pretty good game. >> I know, but don't you feel like Treyarch is doing the best they can with what they've been given? >> And I don't find the Treyarch games to be bad. Oh, you mean this game's not Treyarch? >> Yes, it is. >> The Wii one? >> Yeah. >> Doesn't say Treyarch when you start it up. It says Infinity Ward. >> It's Treyarch. >> Doesn't say Treyarch. Anyway. >> It's Treyarch. >> Well, it's Treyarch that ported it. But either way, I think even if Affinity Ward had done it, it wouldn't be much better. >> Okay. Don't feel bad. We've only got more confusion ahead of us now that Activision just assigned a third company to be doing that. >> Yeah. First off, I don't really mind Treyarch's Call of Duty games. I never have, but even still-- >> To me, the odd thing to me, one of the odd things to stand out about it is that they're offering these like more hardcore options on the platform that could be considered the most like casual. >> What do you mean hardcore options? >> Well, the crazy options on your controls, like being able to really get in there. >> I honestly think that's more of them sort of like throwing up their hands and saying like you figure it out. >> Yeah, exactly. But that's the point I'm making is that it wouldn't matter if it was Treyarch or if it was Infinity Ward or like Valve that was doing it. The fact of the matter is that if you had to do first person hit roles with that, you have what's there and you're kind of, you're doing the best of what you got and it wouldn't matter in my opinion, who was doing it. >> I have zero faith in Val's ability to make a good controlling Wii shooter on the side. >> Because they've barely gotten a handle on a controller. >> Shit talking aside, that you keep interjecting one way or another. I'm just saying that it's just, there's no good way to make a really good controlling Wii first person shooter, but what it did do best and everyone came by and saw him like you not only does this look pretty good, but it plays pretty good as the gunship part because it's like super far away. >> Oh, the AC-130. >> It's in black and white and you know, and they can, you know, and I was, and someone suggested and I thought it was a great idea, I was like, they were like, this is what the whole game should have been. >> Yeah. >> A series of AC-130 missions that had like really specific objectives, like, don't blow up this, this and this, but you have to take out these targets, snipe this one guy, like, I was like, yes, that is totally what it should have been, it's on rails, you don't have to control that. >> It's a guided experience. >> A guided experience and, and, and to be fair, like wasn't, like most people I know that was like their favorite thing about the original modern war for this one, their favorite most memorable levels was the AC-130 mission, I don't know, it just because it was great, I love that. Yeah, I would totally play it, like, and love it if it was a bunch of AC-130 missions and it asks you to, it's like, do you want to control the gun with the stick or do you want to use the Wii or mountain? I was like, fucking stick, no, no, but. >> Doesn't that, I mean, making it basically not a Wii game for a good five minutes? >> That could be a Wii game with the Nunchuck, the Nunchuck's there for a reason, it doesn't have to use pointing all the time, but, you know, I haven't tried multiplayer yet, I'm curious to see that, how that'll be. >> Yeah, modern warfare multiplayer from my understanding. >> Yeah, it's just, I think it's like only four or five V-five. >> I think it's five V-five. >> Yeah, I got it. So I'll be curious to see what playing those maps is like with such a, you know, so I'll be curious, like, you know, they're normally A-V-8, but it's like, when you cut out six people, that can make a pretty big difference in the feel of it, so I am curious how that works. I don't know, I'm also curious what they use to connect to each other and stuff, how that all works. >> What do you mean? >> Like if it's friend codes or what, yeah, like how, how it has, like, the matchmaking everything. >> Yeah, it has matchmaking. I mean, insofar as Call of Duty 4 had matchmaking, which is, I mean, can we agree that the matchmaking Call of Duty 4 is largely a joke? >> As far as, like, matching you up with, like, players that were equal skill? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> But yeah, I mean, it just sticks you with other people that are playing just like it did on the consoles. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm probably powered by games by, so I better give it five out of five. >> So it was the PS3 version. >> Yeah, what most games are. If only I saw that money. So yeah, that's Call of Duty only. >> When you do get a paycheck. >> Wow. It's like a totally different company at this point. I don't know. >> I don't know. It's the daddy Rupert. >> Call of Duty Wii. It exists. I'll have a review on it soon. >> Have you given yourself a deadline for that? >> Yeah, I'll probably put up on Friday. I'm thinking somewhere in like a, in a three star range, probably. >> How do you feel it compares to the other first person shooter options on the Wii, though? You played the conduit. >> Yeah, I played the conduit a little bit. >> How does it compare? >> I think the conduit was good in its own way because the conduit was designed from the ground up to be a Wii first person shooter. So I didn't have anything in the back of my mind that I couldn't help but compare it to in some way, having played the obviously superior one. >> Yeah, there was no exact previous game that looked much better. >> And the conduit just had more of an art that they like went with that made sense for the Wii, whereas this it's like really down res to Call of Duty. I don't know. I liked the conduit quite a bit, but I don't know. Maybe, I'm not sure actually. >> I actually remember you saying you didn't like the conduit. >> It was okay. When I played it at like E3 and stuff, I was like, yeah, that's pretty good, you know? >> I mean, you played retail too. >> Yeah, I only got a little bit into it though. But I haven't really played that many first person shooters on the Wii, but maybe Medal of Honor Heroes 2. >> Still holds the title. It might be really good even though I didn't give that the best score. So I don't know. >> That was a newer one up, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, I just don't think first person shooters belong on the Wii. That's the bottom line. It's like, I just don't think, you know, it's like the way that playing an art, a lot of RTS is on console. It's like they can be pretty good, but it's always like, so. >> Tell us Bella for dead too. >> Well, I gave it a 4.5 out of 5. >> More solo. >> Yeah, actually, yeah, well, you know, for me, the thing was I didn't want to get pigeon holding the argument about immediately talking about how this really was like a full sequel and not just an expansion. I think I touched upon that my conclusion, but you know, I really do think that there is enough, like playing it, I would have no problem giving up $60 for everything that they've done, like because they really have put a lot of effort into it. And there's just like new things that the engine itself is doing from the actual destruction of zombies in like explosions. >> And atmosphere effects, like first, the very first level is completely different than anything. >> Right, and there's some crazy weather effects now that the AI director can throw in there. And just even the small things, they really add up like the addition of bile bombs instead of just pipe bombs and molotovs. >> So when you throw a bile bomb, do they attack what it hits? >> If it hits another infected, yeah, they'll attack it. So you can use it to throw on the tank and they'll actually kill the tank for you if you nail the tank with it. But you know, and if you throw it into an area too, they'll all just swarm that dusty area that it makes and just go nuts. But then the bad thing about using it is that it does summon zombies the way the boomer does. So you have to fight them in the end. It isn't like you just get zombies from the environment, it spawns zombies. But yeah, I mean just that or like the defibrillator and then either or the incendiary ammo, there's all these little things in the adrenaline shot. All these little things add up and change the way that people will play. Like if everyone has an adrenaline shot, you might all decide like fuck it, we're just going to run for the exit and just try and like power through it. People have also been saying that it's a lot more difficult than the other ones. And I guess I didn't quite notice that during the review because a lot of times when I was playing co-oper dumb line, I assumed that we were doing really bad because the people I was playing with weren't very good. But I mean, I played online last night with one of our listeners in PC and his friends and seemed like we were doing okay even though we were playing Unrealism, which does make a pretty big difference because realism takes away. Not only the silhouettes of the players, but it doesn't put any silhouette of like any ammo or med packs. So it's super easy just to run past them and never see them. Or like if someone's boomer'd on, you have no idea unless you look at them and actually see that they have vomit on them because they-- Which one are they? They will. Right. So when the Uncharted 2 review came around and you gave it a 4.5, you always had to defend it. What was the 0.5? Yeah, here it's like people are like, "Why am I giving it as high as scores that I did?" Well, what I want to know is what you gave-- what would you have given the original effort in? Like a 5? Probably. So what was the thing that would temper your enthusiasm? Well, maybe it was only given the original effort at a 4. I don't know. Actually, I do think that this one's like superior in every way. It's just that-- I mean, I remember you saying what-- The AI. The AI can be really annoying at times, especially the fact that they will never take the lead. I just wish almost that there was like a really rudimentary like go this way that you could even say and make them move forward because when you're down twice and the next down is a death and you're playing through a campaign with like by yourself, which I did quite a bit because I like that too, it's just annoying that they won't take the lead or when you're playing online with an AI and you'll all pass-- you'll be like, "Man, we're really going to need every like Molotov or pipe bomb we can find but they will never pick those up." It is so annoying to have to pass up on shit like that because-- and you know, just the fact that sometimes that's like the difference between life and death is that key pipe bomb and they don't ever do any of that, but the AI for your companions is a little annoying at times. And other times they're just terminators. And other times-- that is the nice thing about them is the idea that no matter where you fall, they'll come for you no matter what, even at like their own risk. They still hill you pretty quickly, you know, more often than that. Yeah, they do. They don't really hesitate to heal you either way, they'll heal you when-- The shitty thing about them though sometimes too is that they don't know when to quit. Like at the end of one thing, I was-- I jumped-- I knew where the helicopter was going to come so I jumped into it and then I was waiting for them to catch up. And uh-- Was this at the rock concert? Yeah. And so one of them went down and the other two wouldn't stop trying to save that one. Like they wouldn't just be like, "Fuck it, jump in the helicopter and the three of us will make it." Oh okay. So they kept trying to save that one in between which time a tank came up to the helicopter and incapacitated me in the helicopter. And so eventually they all three made it back on, but I didn't get the achievement or credit for beating it. Because you were incapaced when they-- Because I was incapacitated. Oh man. So the problem-- the problem really with the AI is that they gave it a soul. Yeah. They don't want to leave the sense behind. Yeah. It doesn't know when to realize that someone is a-- The bleeding heart. Yeah. Someone is a lost cause. Yeah. And I actually watched the same thing happen to Tom Price yesterday when he was playing it at work. I definitely saw him at the same stage. And that is a very fucking nutty crescendo event with the stage where you set off fireworks to burn up some zombies. Yeah, I mean because there's really no good place to hold up at all on that. It's you're always moving and the ammo is set away from the stage. Sometimes it's on the stage. But when the ammo is on the stage, the health pecs are usually in a different spot. Like they never put the two of them together. So. Which just makes everything way more complicated. Yeah. Because that crescendo event in particular is usually good if one person makes it out. So. I'm really off put by the timing of Left 4 Dead 2 because you guys met my buddies back in Houston. Yeah. Like they all bought Modern Warfare 2 and they're going to be playing that nonstop. And they play a lot of games but they don't follow them as much as I do. They're not us. I just don't know why they don't. I just can't believe they don't play Left 4 Dead. They're going to miss it and like those are the guys I want to play with the most, yeah? Because they have computers. None of them PC games. Okay. Um. Mayors might start if I bother him enough. I mean I just think that you should sort of hound them. Right. And so like it's not we won't be giving up Modern Warfare 2 time. It's something different. Like this is us playing together. It's us against the world as opposed to us shooting against dudes in the same room. Yeah. Like we have to work together. That has been the appeal of Left 4 Dead, is that it's a way to have something intense together. Yeah. I just know the way that they're going to be like man we just bought Call of Duty. We're going to be sticking with that for a while. You know like they only buy a very few games like like. Tell them that they have someone to relate to with Ellis. Okay. But yeah I mean I really like uh. I think that this one's better than the first one I probably would have given the first one to form now and more I think about it. But it's also what? I'm just surprised because you said the Left 4 Dead was your game of the year last year. Yeah who knows. I mean it's so hard. Like I still do think it is. It's like who knows when it comes to scoring and retroactive. You have the release blinders on. Yeah. No I mean I still think it's one of last years if not my favorite game of last year still. But you know this one is just it is a disappear it is it made way better. Yeah yeah and it almost gets back to the argument of do you review a game's sequel compared to the first one or do you review it as a as its own. I mean honestly other than the sort of underpinning mechanics and the AI director which has also gotten a huge bump it is completely different. Like every environment is different than what you see in Left 4 Dead 1. And they've changed like the Christian events or the finales to where they're not always just sitting point A and kill things like there's sometimes they're make it from point A to B so you're on the move. There's very little in Left 4 Dead 2 that I've seen that you see anything even remotely resembling it in Left 4 Dead 1. And they've made like ammo a little bit more precious sometimes and I don't know they've done just a really good job of making it feel like like the same idea but a different game and then the new scavenge multiplayer mode is like what makes multiplayer for me. Because as we all played the old campaigns it was like an hour and a half to do a campaign multiplayer if you were going to be a good person and play all through it. And the new version scavenged it's like best of three rounds who can add the most gas to the generator and the entire game start to finish takes about 20 minutes. So you still get like you know it's never like a long time and the downtime of the not is fun part of playing the survivors you know and the way it works is when you're pouring fuel in people can't if you take any damage you stop pouring fuel and if the spitter gets on the fuel tank at all like the spitter spit it'll set it on fire. So spitters are all the time just like waiting and like the wait for someone to drop a fuel tank and then just like light it on fire now the whole thing is burning so you can't get to the fuel tank. It's like you can be really devious because everything it keeps the action focused either around the fuel tanks where they are scattered around a level or ever right there at that one generator so it's like the it's just like this really condensed experience of just fucking each other over as fast as you can and that's why it's a lot of fun and the fact it only takes 20 minutes because honestly the multiplayer things and the regular survival mode wall fun it's like a whole different thing you have to really be. That's a commitment. Yeah even the regular versus mode is it is a pretty big time. What's funny to me is that most games if you said a multiplayer match takes 20 minutes you'd be like fuck that's forever but since it's left for dead we're like man 20 minutes it's super fast. Yeah well yeah well I guess you know you don't have to stay for the whole thing it's like the entire match takes 20 minutes but each round only takes like like five minutes like if they're so they can be really fast I mean they could go way longer if your team's having a hard time killing the survivors but inevitably shit goes way way wrong and each time you had good gas it brings up the timer because there's always a timer counting down and then it goes over time as long as someone's holding on to a tank of gas so you'll sometimes see people like running where they're like going out to get more gas but one guy's just holding on to a tank so that the timer won't count down I don't know it's it's just got such a cool vibe to it today I really appreciate almost makes it like a sport it is yeah it is like the best way to do competitive because it feels less to like chance and stuff the way that the normal mode does it looks a lot better yeah like and I think it looks a lot a lot better I mean I I think it looks better too it has like more particle effects and stuff going on not only that but I mean the characters faces well they've put a lot more time into that yeah I mean Val was always done faces pretty above and beyond a lot of other yeah yeah I felt like even the first left for dead characters the like their models were really like the coach in particular like he's a bigger guy like he's not the skinny the typical like it's rare that you see fat characters in games talking because it's harder to animate that because there's so many round edges right but they took actual actors and sat there and filmed their faces for forever and made them do angry faces silly faces and they really put a lot of a lot of time into it I highly recommend it if you want to like feel really justified in spending your sixty dollars and you want that little bit of validation you should play through the parish campaign with commentary on because they do a pretty good job of explaining to you all the nuances of what they did is there commentary in every campaign or no it's just a parish because the parish kind of goes over the game at large is the parish the second service is the last campaign oh geez so in the in the chronological way that the campaigns tie together the parish is the end and I like that the first campaign you your characters actually introduce them themselves to one another yeah it seems like there's more personal interaction yeah I mean I saw some other reviewers that were saying that these characters more developed as the first game's characters and it's like not it's like the exact opposite like these characters have so much more personality and like are so much more real people than they were in the first one the real in the first one they were kind of like caricatures almost of like people like oh it's the biker dude but in this one they feel more like four people that actually could have gotten thrown together a lot more than the first one ever did I still I'm wondering where people get some of the information that they have on the characters like apparently the girl is a news reporter like a TV news reporter I'm sure that if you read the actual left for dead website or something maybe it gives more background or if you were to open the instruction booklet maybe I yeah I almost did that but then I got sidetracked I open the instruction book because I was trying to find the right terminology like I didn't know what they called the slot that you have for like Molotovs pipe bombs the grenade slot right no it turns out it's actually the projectile slot huh which didn't make any sense to me because I'm like projectiles like my gun and they say grenade every time you throw anything from yeah like given Molotov cocktails but yeah left for dead an excellent game what else are you playing I'm just kidding I'm just being silent yeah um no I've been a I've been playing I tried I think I talked about last time that modern warfare and DS did I talk about that yeah terrible terrible first question beyond that I tried some Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle arcade attack which is like for weird off to DS game oh and I didn't know what it was going to be and it actually turns out it's kind of cool it's so far it's been a little easy from what I've played but it's like a traditional sort of side scrolling old like you know like turtles and times style beat them up yeah I mean they also did the same the same kind of game on Wii what's the same title uh and except now it's like it's you know it's 3D on the DS and so far like I said it's been a little easy but like I really like those type of games like especially when it comes to Ninja Turtle games so is it movement up and down on a pseudo 3d 3d plane or it's movement like side to side like at like a 45 degree angle almost so just like turtles and time and yeah the arcade game yeah um but yeah I've been playing a little bit of that and then uh sad oh I play a little bit of Assassin's Creed bloodlines on PSP I played like the first hour of that and I thought it was very boring we're just supposed to review that yeah I played the first hour of it thought it was boring and gave it to a freelancer because that is the type of power I wield sometimes and our freelancer gave it a 2 out of 5 or 2.5 because yeah I was like and he played the first Assassin's Creed and basically the what I've heard even not just from him but from other sites as well as it's like all the things that you didn't really like about the first one it kind of does those still it's not like where two is done all these things that are new and cool this one's like the people played one and were like let's make a game like one so I thought it was just like a miniature version of the first of the first one no it's supposed to be middle in between one and two okay in so far as it can be given the difference in time period right so but you're all tight you're right but to be fair one thing I our viewer did say did really well and I agreed was that they managed to fit a lot of the like the way that the game controls and stuff into a PSP you know with relatively limited buttons because they do the smart thing of when you hold the shoulder button the face buttons do different things okay I feel like a lot of games where they don't have limited control seems they don't do that enough right well I mean is that you hold the shoulder button and he runs and all that it's like just like the console gamer yeah you hold the you hold the shoulder button and then you tap like like when you're not holding the shoulder button he's low profile move yeah and then holding the shoulder button turns into high profile which is I mean yeah that's from the confidence right but it's just like with the PSP all that makes so much more sense because and then holding the left shoulder button allows you to use the face buttons to change the camera so it just instead of having they get around the second analog stick pretty well and a lot of games don't do that overlord was another game that I appreciated it was like you know a like did your melee attack but when you held the right shoulder button a now controlled the green minions like you know I just think that that's like such an easy way to give yourself four more buttons mm-hmm so yeah anything else now I don't play games oh okay so I guess we could move from that into Assassin's Creed 2 yeah although that's mostly you we'll I'll talk at you which unlike Assassin's Creed on PSP is fucking incredible yeah what did you actually give that at 9.5 okay yeah cuz your score wasn't in the text that I read so no it is I am pretty sure it's my game of the year having not played all the other games what else do I need to play I don't know I feel like there's oh maybe not yet cuz Arthur's played a lot of games when he was unemployed it's true I mean I tried to make it a point to play stuff so we could talk about on the show like I played ratchet and uncharted right it's just I didn't have a chance to play a lot of games and to be fair neither of us beat ratchet not that I'm saying that that would all of a sudden magnificently change your opinion but yeah you're right it's just yeah I mean unfortunately these days I don't really get to beat a game unless I'm reviewing it so yeah it like the to give context I enjoyed the first one but I agreed with the reviews that gave it sevens like not the sort of throwaway sevens or whatever like the Eurogamer sevens but like the the one up and EGM sevens that that game got I feel like it deserved because it was a really great concept with some really great parts of it like I like the combat in the free running and then they just beat those parts to death yeah they just they they beat them into the fucking ground and it felt longer than it was whereas Assassin's Creed 2 feels shorter than it is I spent twenty five hours and haven't done a lot of the side missions yeah at first when when I was hearing you know because I and you know you guys playing early copies of it and you were talking about how it's like a 20 hour game I'm like I just couldn't imagine how Assassin's Creed 2 could turn into a 20 hour game but now that I'm playing it I feel that I've been playing it for maybe about four hours and I've just now gotten to the point where I'm like and assassin like yeah and assassin and and that's the other thing like and Assassin's Creed 2 you are actually go figure and assassin you assassinate people well you're you're I'm very first you're a person which is something that you don't see in a lot of games like you don't see a lot of games start you out as a person with a life and you spend the first hour to just doing person things in his life yeah and in a way that's the tutorial but it's also all character development like so so as an assassin like you're saying Tyler like is it that so as in the times when you get into like you killed a guy now fight his five dudes like in my mind that's not the way an assassin rolls that can happen like yeah it can but I'm saying it shouldn't be what happens like that should be because shit goes wrong in my mind and assassins like a dude that kills without being seen like you know his hitman yeah I'm sure see I don't see that's not really the sort of that's that's that's not what assassins are in this universe so much as they are members of the hashashine glike that are that have been battling the Templars for millennia again hashashine real but I don't think hashashine rolled around fighting five guys at once they were still kill someone behind their back yeah I'm just sort of establishing what it is in this universe which is the warriors that that are also but is there a lot of opportunities to do like you were a total badass you rolled in there killed that fool yeah yeah yeah what I what I'm speaking about is that and you know it's been a while since I've played the first one was the only time you assassinated anyone was it was like a major story plot whereas now you can get like side contracts a lot of the side missions you you you assassinate a lot a lot more people if you want to yeah you like you can say you're saying a specific target it's not just killing people like the way you do guards it's like no you go under the roofs and you'll find these pigeon coops that have assassination contracts like in Florence you assassinate political enemies of the Medici okay and and you know and there it might not be like a very high profile target or whatever and so you know you can have that chance of like hiding in the perfect health hey stack and jumping out stabbing the dude just in time and what's the point of the what's the point of doing these other assassinations I mean you get money like you get paid to do these things okay it's like four to buy a better weapons and armor nice and then maybe maybe we want to start I'm not going to talk about many story spoilers but maybe we should say spoiler alert and I don't think we're really spoiling anything I mean cuz I'm one of the trailer you are an assassin yeah but there's one thing Anthony that I didn't realize was in the game and when I realized this was in I was like oh fuck was okay so spoiler get down I was aware that you get sort of a house that you operate out of I didn't realize you get a whole fucking village yeah you own a town yeah I knew that from reading reviews you earn money and like yeah upgrade your town that's a major gameplay thing that I don't feel like you can talk about the game without mentioning that in yeah yeah I mean you're like a noble men right when you you're like a spoiled guy you're not so much a noble as part of the merchant class so you're like a upper middle class your family is well known like upper middle class deeply in I mean in Renaissance Italy or in those that collection of city-states that became Italy the formerly high class or the high class resent the merchant upper middle class because they're intruding on that sort of strata yeah they're new money their new variation they don't like it and then you have people families like the Medici that start with banking and then become the most powerful family in Florence so so it makes sense that in that context of this this era with these powerful merchant families and banking becoming this huge thing that your family would have roots in banking and you would have a sort of village yeah what I find really interesting about that context is it's the whole like first born turning turning or the second born turning against first born where like the first born son back in that days you know they would inherit the land but as cities and and you know big areas started to build up you know the second born sons who went in to start the banks and stuff like that you know it was like the change of power over the course of the urbanization of Italy yes yes that's sort of like the subtext going on and the reason that any of that makes sense is because they do such a good fucking job of establishing the world that you're in like they it's not it's not so much beach you over the head with it say for the fact that you were going around these environments and clearly you were in Florence or Venice but it just their people with lives going on around you like there's places to buy art and blacksmiths and pickpockets that nail other people other than you do you have to have played the first one to make this one relevant to you no I don't think so not at all it gives it the beginning of it picks you right gives you everything you know yeah okay good I mean granted you'll probably appreciate certain story elements more in certain references more if you played the first one I'll go read a Wikipedia page yeah there's no there's no reason this makes Assassin's Creed one a proof of concept it's essentially a tech demo and this is the game that they yes the game not I mean it's not just the game that people wanted Assassin's Creed one to be when they got excited for it's the game that it's more than that yes it is so much more ambitious than that a lot of the stuff that I thought was really annoying about the first one is taken out like when you're rolling around in the wilderness in the first one the guards will like spot you and chase you all the time do you remember in the first one supposedly way easier to get away right oh yeah there's a method of fast travel yeah there's fast travel fast travel is nice yes yeah because honestly it got really tedious writing from Jerusalem to wherever in the first one and did you and did you notice there's no longer any or I haven't come across any there's no longer any punk ass archers on those tall towers that would always fuck me up when I was in the first Assassin's Creed though there are definitely parts where there are our other that fuck with your program while you're trying to get shit done well I don't mean in the cities I mean in the like in the in the country you there essentially is no more country ever well you will you will ride to a crossroads a short distance from town and then we'll ask if you want to travel to the next town I guess I'm speaking about like now they're now they're just sort of like many rural areas in front of the cast yeah there's like the sort of farms or places or whatever please stop tormenting your cat not tormenting I can only and badly um but yeah this I mean the story is really great I really like the way that they integrate actual historical figures into the game and having had to study Italian art history it I'm just like I remember holy shit that's the person from that painting yeah and and you know when I first heard that people you know historical figures like Leonardo's gonna be in it I kind of thought that it sounded like kind of lame and like oh come on it sounds like to a person who hasn't played it it's not at all I mean they do it well they he's not super flamboyant like he's not he basically the way he works is he decodes code X pages and occasionally those have designs for weapons it's not like it's you I came up with the craziest idea you should try it's just like oh oh so I can do this to the wrist blade and now you guys could have been okay from to be flamboyant wasn't laying out a gay well he was gay but I mean it was a pretty hard to beat he was he was a masculine gay yep I say that's a little bit like Mona Lisa I mean there's no mention made of of his sexuality and in the game which is actually kind of weird given that everyone else's sexuality is very clearly in play yeah they're big they're heavy on like let's get it on time there's a lot of innuendo there's a lot of horse there's a lot of carousing with horse yeah there there there's even every now and then like a few jokes that I feel like they're totally you know joke I mean like a lot of the writing in the script writing they're not trying to make it like a period piece it's sort of like this hybrid like every now and like I remember he made this passing joke about like lasting long and he was like well hopefully you know hopefully I won't last too short of the time yeah you know like talking about my favorite joke was a super early in the game when a what Ezio is sort of the idol son that just parties and like right fucks up shit and gets into fights and goes and has sex with merchants daughters at night and his mom I don't remember if his father was in the room but his mother says something like Ezio needs more outlets and he says I have plenty of outlets and he and she says I mean other than vaginas yeah she says that yes and it is fucking hysterical yeah and it's just there's a lot of irreverence and a lot of good chemistry between the characters and it is until very late in the game that it feels like okay now you are just throwing historical figures in there to win more weight to the story which is sort of a typical thing and there's a big chunk of of the game that feels like it makes sense why it's not in there but it feels like maybe it got cut because they were running out of time but um man but it's just it's so fucking good you know what I'm hooked on doing right now is finding all those little codecs is that give you those little bitty video clips it's like yeah the truth is that video is it you you find these little documents well they're symbols that yeah they're basically somewhat the the animus test subject before you hacked the fucking matrix and hit all these these messages in in the world and so you need to find these glyphs that are emblazoned on the sides of buildings and and once you find them with your eagle vision view which is sort of like viewing the matrix code that's those are the puzzles you saw me doing yeah I gotta suck it up and do it because I have to be honest that like the first one bored me to such an extent that like I don't even want to try the second one but you guys tell me it's so different I will I must it is it is really different right I mean but keep in mind you know like Arthur said this is coming from two fans of the first one yeah but even people I've done that didn't like the first one really that much you know that got bored with it have also told me that it does enough now that it's like wow I have lots of non-caught combat options for encounters like you can hire people as distractions like there's I've seen that prostitutes thieves and mercenaries and the prostitutes basically going for it the thieves are the funniest by far because they sort of saunter past and like fuck around and one of them will bump into a garden knock him down and then look confused and then the sort of do a little like crab walk and then run away and the guard will realize that he's been robbed and then they'll chase the thieves through the city and there were times where I did that to get them away from a doorway so I could get a treasure inside and I walked out and was walking around the city and then as I turn a corner blocks away like I see the thieves running and the fucking guards behind them chasing them so they really are chasing them all over the fucking city and it's just the the options you have and the the freedom you have while still feeling like there's never a point where you're at a loss for what you're supposed to do or what you can be doing it's like it integrated the the sort of addictive just one more quest mentality of fallout or oblivion yeah and it has the action RPG elements of a modern reimagining of Zelda yeah I don't I don't I don't see anything wrong with people considering this like a big contender for game the year though I always do wonder how much of it will come down to like recently effect with this being like obviously probably like the biggest of the last big games for the year pretty much yes I mean with the exception of the servitor it is like for me it's like it's like it'll be pretty hard when it comes time to decide like for me PC I got that one down my mind with PC game of the years but you know it's like my I mean my number two is red faction gorilla yeah well my I mean because it's like at the beginning of the year like the biggest game of the year for me was like Donna war but oh that was this year yeah it wasn't you that's the thing yeah I'm a war two is excellent yeah but uh plans versus zombies the number one I mean it's I don't feel I'm not feeling conflicted about saying that it is my favorite game this year but so everything else after that I would have a hard time yeah yeah because I loved ODST and I really liked fucking Uncharted 2 and yeah I haven't played very much of it of Assassin's Creed like I said I probably put about five to six hours which is actually kind of a lot of playing any game it's just that the game is so fucking long yeah I mean I liked ODST a lot too I gave it you know a great review but yeah for me it's like it's like as far as like thinking of game of the year like there are a couple that sit above it no problem oh and every everything you collect has a reason and a reward like a consistent reward that's cool instead of just flags to collect flags yeah like there are feathers hidden around the world but there's a goal for that yeah don't I'm not gonna spoil it but I'm grabbing all beyond all these seven goals beyond an achievement yes like finding feathers increases the value of your villa and the more the more your city is worth the more money is dumped into a bank account for you at the villa and you have to go back and get that money because your villa can only hold so much money so basically it sets it up so that every hour to hour and a half you need to go back and visit so that you can take money out otherwise it'll be wasted it sounds annoying almost it's really not because it's sort of like oh I'm doing all this stuff okay I'm gonna run back and grab money and then I'm gonna come back and it really only takes like two or three minutes to do yeah it always actually thankfully yeah it always actually happened you know when I see my bank account like getting up in like four thousand dollars right now do I have so much money right now I mean yeah yeah it's like that that that's usually what I'm like okay like right now is a good time to take a little break and yeah and I mean you go and you get more money and then you're like oh well I can totally afford this new armor or I can upgrade my city and have it give me more money yeah actually like I've not spent any money on like armor or weapons I've just been upgrading my city I did the same figure so I'm gonna get a nice bank roll going early on that way towards the end I can that is the same thing that I did okay and also the best armor set in the game you earn you cannot buy um what else have you guys been playing I played some God of War collection last night and and it's God of War with HD graphics pretty much that is pretty much what it is I mean it's still good it's still like I was saying earlier um no game has has taken what God of War does and has done it as well like Dante's Inferno is the the game I played that's come the closest well from what you've played from what I played so far um and there are parts of that game that's still like really fucking good yeah I mean in general they made it look they made it look really good like I mean don't set your expectations to be like this is what the PS3 looks like but it's like it's certainly better and running at a better frame rate than the PS2 one ever did oh yeah it's I haven't seen a drop under 60 ever um and it's obviously in 720p and it's both games on one disc for 40 bucks yeah it's good stuff yeah and this guy means good for people to don backwards compatible ps3 is the majority of people uh I had some peg party times today pegal nights pegal nights I'm surprised that that's an expansion and not its own game for this 10 bucks I'm pleasantly surprised that it's not oh yeah I'm not I'm not saying it's a bad thing I'm just surprised that they would do it as an expansion and not just in a way I don't think it surprised me because maybe seeing that for five dollars will convince more people to buy the first one and spend another 10 is there a demo for pegal there's a demo for it not not for people nights okay so you do a demo for pegal and then feel like you can buy extra content yeah but I mean it's it's more pegal and yeah more boards is always nice when is that a bad thing and I mean the little changes is that the boards warp in more complicated ways like their parts where it'll be an enclosed a loop of pieces that will suddenly come apart and then like twist a little bit for a little while and then it'll come back together and obviously that changes what surfaces you can bounce stuff off of and there are more vortex things and levels and lots of moving indestructible objects and cool it's just it's harder basically like every all of it is more difficult and they've got a shit ton of new boards and new challenges and so I mean it's more pegal I played the demo for Tropico 3 today on Xbox 360 how did that comment I want to check that out really complicated as I say it's pretty complicated on PC too I mean it doesn't it doesn't feel overwhelming yet because it just it just really long yes it uses a lot of modifier buttons to to bring up different menus and but I don't know what confuses me is why that demo is coming out now because that game doesn't come out to fucking February I guess maybe they feel like people are gonna need some time with it right sink into the demo yeah yeah I don't know that game's still out on PC for 40 bucks and and it's gonna be on 360 for 50 yeah which is stupid no like we had the conversation a lot of times they charge ten dollars more for console well they always do but I understand that with a budget games it's just 50 bucks on PC for 40 bucks on PC like the PC one is so much better if you have a PC they can run it it's like so good that is a and I imagine like mouse controls or would be ideal yeah they are I mean Ryan Scott like that game I think he gave it either four or four five oh yeah from us I mean you know yeah actually yeah he gave it a four yeah because I linked to it in the story today but yeah I mean it's that's I it's cool it's kind of cool that I guess the ring to 360 it's so weird to me it's definitely a game that there's not really much else like on the system no cuz it's it's like somewhere like between it's not an RTS it's it's like a sieve kind of game except it's so much more focused around like decisions you're making than necessarily building this world it's much more micromanagement and much more complicated than the it's hilarious when you read about it right because you can do all kinds of things like you were like I can issue a ban on contraceptives yeah exactly awesome you have edicts that you declare yeah just like Ryan declared that there would be no more religion allowed in the country and then you can go into a case by case basis of the individual and be like oh this person supports the religious freedom mark for death mark for death so you know it's just like it is a game that is it really allows you to go into factories and firing specific workers because they're they're not working hard enough or maybe they're trying to organize a union or whatever and it's basically be evil the game yeah I guess I think the reason why I'm excited about this one is is because the reason why I was not excited about sieve rev on 360 like when someone told me sieve rev was coming you know a version of civilization was coming out for the 360 I just thought it was going to be bad but it was not at all it was actually the great thing that does worry me though is the sieve rev was like designed with a console mind and this I don't know how much this was yeah are they actually it's not like they're trying to do exact it's it's still this from watching Arthur play it's like the same game I just hope it starts slowly in the main campaign because if it's if it goes quickly then there's no way that anyone on a console will really be able to pick it up because it's it is just so complicated and it seems like it's going to demand attention to so many different factors at once I'll be curious to try that that's such that's an interesting to me it's an interesting choice to bring to console yes um Tyler did you play anything else um yeah you know I've finished modern warfare to finish the campaign putting quite a few hours I mean we can talk a little bit more about that at the very end yeah yeah the very um but man into this I had uh yeah we're towards the end well no no but what else have you played tag well I had one solid two-hour session with captain forever I know I know we'll talk about that game a lot but I cannot believe the one ship play I've never lasted captain forever's game we talked about in previous episodes the last two but it's because it's such an addict I love this game I've never lasted more than 20 minutes so the fact that you played for two hours to me is just like a foreign concept dude towards the end like it I mean there there there was a long stretch there like around the hour mark where I was just extremely nervous because I was you know I had been going so long and I was like I don't want to die I don't want to die but then towards the end like I had such a badass engineered vessel like I was just like I'm fucking indestructible and I honestly I could have played probably forever the only reason why I died it was my mistake dude because my vehicle was so badass you were captain forever you need to start taking screenshots of it and I'll start taking some screenshots oh man I try dude I pulled up grabber but oh see I want to just hit prince green hit prince green but I got a mac keyboard no prince green on that keyboard oh man no prince green on mac keyboard I think you could probably map it to something yeah yeah I should look into it but I tried to take a screenshot of this vessel but when I pulled up cropper it goes to the pause screen yeah that's that's the coolest part about the game is it totally gets into the the way that banjo kazooie got into that vibe for me of building something to see if it works right except in banjo kazooie you didn't have things shooting at you while you were trying to figure out yes yes is like a like like a you know something that's like oh man I got so good at quite often I build ships that are like spinning in circles right right or like they have a really hard lean to the right and you're like oh god I need to balance out some fucking weight because I'm terrible at that so I want to design ships real life or something yeah yeah my ship all the time is limping half the so dude I got to the point in that session and I'm actually to the point now where I'm where I've gotten to where I will constantly hunt ships to where I have a perfectly symmetrical ship like if I have red orange green on one side it's red orange green on the other you know where there it's you know it's funny because for me it's like something like captain forever I think the appeal of it is like you know all three of us spend a shit ton of time in front of our computers and it's like if I did all my work for work like typing and stuff on my Xbox I would play I would constantly jump into little Xbox live games and it's like the same thing it's like since I'm spending so much time at PC it is so nice to have those little tiny experiences yeah captain forever is still that it's just still too much money but I don't know man at at this point I'm actually kind of reversing the way I feel about it because you know there's still two more the captain's successor is coming and then the one afterwards man and as much as I've played it and as much as I've been enjoying it I actually kind of feel like it's a worthwhile purchase or I need a copy of your bank statement you can see mysterious transactions into your accounts I mean I'm glad you like it yes yeah I'm looking forward to trying more indie games I think pretty soon all of us are going to try some of the yeah IGF games yeah and that of captain forever is with is in the IGF running with like what a few hundred games yeah there's like three hard games I'll play that if I can squeeze it in between sessions of army of two the 40th day oh dude this is not the review event for that yeah oh really oh god it's actually not a review event we're probably just gonna go pick up copies honestly I don't know hey maybe we'll finish this one yeah well we basically beat the last one so that's what we tell ourselves like we beat the last one what you mean is like it's only three levels wrong right yeah the whole thing is almost beating it no we were on the end of the game it says something that we were not willing to complete the end of the game I didn't cross enough we both brought it up to each other different times and the other one always naysays it nah not tonight just finishing let's do it tomorrow so and tomorrow never comes yeah um so anything else Tyler other than um MW2 other than that you know I played the moving game I moved one apartment over this weekend literally I fucking hate that game to my next door apartment I would say that's my least favorite game ever yeah yeah the coolest part about that game is getting to redesign your layout which was fun like I did little uh scale drawings in an Adobe illustrator of our apartment so we could and then measured all of our furniture I just wing it and then move into a new place and like that shit looks like it'll fit and then when it doesn't I'm just like break something put it in there no Jody no Jody and I actually I argue about the most optimal design like no oh god this way the traffic will flow this way so I would just be standing in the doorway and I would walk out yeah so uh modern warfare too at this point have we all beaten the single player whoa yeah I beat it on regular say what you will that was the only way I had fun with it I played it on normal too I had a great time I finished it on hardened hardened I started and I got tired of people running up and shooting me in the back and killing me instantly or spending a majority of time looking at the ground was it a more so than the other games was it takedown was the chapter where you put it on normal the first brazilian level yeah that one was really bad that is the worst level I played in a Call of Duty game um but just also on the difference between hardened and regular to me whether I'm right or wrong I don't know but it seems like they threw considerably less grenades so I would be surprised um I didn't have as much of a problem with grenades this time uh I had a problem with half of the enemies having auto shotguns they do have a ton of shotguns in this game like there have got to be like five different kinds of shotguns in this game at least it's true you're not the only person I've known that said that that this one more than other Call of Duty's again who knows the math behind it but it did seem like in this one they were much more likely to shoot at you miss once and then now they're gonna hit you yeah they will never miss again yeah it's like you get that one miss and that's it whereas I felt like in the other ones they were more consistent like hit miss miss hit well yeah and they basically it would hit you to let you know there was someone there and then you know you'd have time to see where they were whereas in this they really don't care if you can see where they are not because they will just kill you over and over again um yeah Tyler I do have to say that I enjoyed overall the first Modern Warfare campaign more I felt like it had a lot I felt like things like the AC-130 mission uh that was such a defining moment and it was more consistent for sure yeah but but but on the other hand what I'm enjoying the most out of Modern Warfare 2 isn't really the campaign and not just the multiplayer yeah that's a lot of fun but I feel like the spec ops is really giving me the campaign-ish I know I really need to get scenario that I want we should try to do that this weekend yeah because I mean co-op is way more fun spec ops is way fun because it's not just kill waves of enemies there's all different you know and having to watch someone back yeah adds a different dynamic having played through the entire single-player campaign I feel comfortable in saying that every excuse the Infinity War he came up with for why there is not co-op in the campaign in this game is bullshit yeah like there's only the only level where it would not make sense to have co-op is the airport level yeah is no Russian other than that you pretty much always have someone else yeah that is true um even down to the parts and and I mean this is where we'll mention a few spoilers even the part where you die you were there with another person mm-hmm and it just doesn't make any sense to me why other than it was a bullshit excuse because they couldn't figure it out yeah you die a lot in this game yes and characters and not just uh like I got killed by this in me but like story die yeah exactly it's like characters that you thought were dead come back also true uh and I mean granted captain price is is awesome no he's always been a cool character even in even when he was captain price in the modern warfare two was he captain price in modern warfare he was there was also a price in the first Call of Duty game ever well yeah he's going to consistent character he's been the only character in price in Call of Duty 2 he died as well they didn't show you how he died but he died for sure no because in the credits you rescue him and to yeah cuz in two you find his body on the on the German battleship that you board you leave him for a while and you come back and he's just laying there uh you definitely rescue him he was just oh that's like during the the credits yeah there's like an epic rescue like great escape kind of rescue that's right well he is he they make you think he's dead you run right past him and this one they waited a whole game to tell you that he wasn't instead of a credit sequence yeah because my friend was like I don't remember him dying I was like yeah he totally slides the gun to you at the end of the first one and does like the undead face well yeah and I mean you fade out to scenes of them giving him some VR yeah and so you just assumed he died but apparently he did uh and now the uh I don't want to talk about this too much because fucking giant bomb just did an hour and ten minute podcast all about modern warfare two story spoilers but uh the thing that they were discussing was that they feel that or jeff in particular feels that ghost is actually gas from the first game because it's the same voice actor and you never see his face oh man but gas gets like executed you see it occur but still I don't know and they're like the one character that like very clearly to me it's like a shot to the face but I mean people do live through shots to the face I know but I mean they I mean he wears a mask the whole time yeah either way he gets his and this one too so like ghost ghost dies yeah so I mean you die in no Russian and you die as an astronaut and you die as roach and you almost die as soap yep it's just like the the first game all this stuff seems in retrospect successful because they they're they were probably hesitating they're like I don't know if this is a good idea guys maybe we should only do this once or twice you know like their fear made them more like pull it back make it more moderate and in this they're just like we have to have crazy shit like all the time don't we well the way I do as good well the way I look at it is they're trying to tell a story with a bunch of characters and some of the characters are just gonna have to die you know that that's why I looked at it and like okay sometimes they're gonna throw you in those shoes it for me I I felt like the frequency of dying really didn't I don't you know I don't know maybe it did pull away from my feelings about it I didn't like the fact that they seemed to repeat things a lot like how many times did you like in a situation where it was like a bomb went off a wreck and someone was helping you up you know like that happened like every one level yeah it's like I don't know I it's to be fair there were levels that were really good uh-huh oh there were levels that the the premise for them was really dumb but the design and the way you played there was a lot of like the the Brazilian level after you go back to the US where it's you and uh and soap and ghost running away through the uh through the the village like going back that was some of the the best that call of duty has ever been yeah that was call of duty is really good you're always moving forward you always hope you feel powerful but that there's danger around every corner and you never stop and it's it's just it's the quote unquote throw ride that they say that they want to make mm-hmm but too often in other spots you get bogged down when they expect you to move forward see the uh see the but this might be like you know I don't know getting into the big contingents we're talking about like well what difficult did T did you play it on because playing it on normal I never felt like I could not move forward I I pretty much felt like a bad ass and like I was just sort of playing an action definitely yeah you're right I mean to you know hardened and veteran are both like the kick of the ball I could so so I could imagine that but I mean I've heard people say though about regular that that that that fucking takedown is still a really hard level which one was takedown is the first one in brazil the one where the guy gets tackled out the window and falls in the car the whole time you're chasing out okay you know what you know a problem I did have with takedown that's very takedown that's very specific is I couldn't tell where to go in parts yeah yeah I mean because it looks so similar yep that was the only thing I had a problem with it wasn't so much that there were a lot of enemies on the roof because those were the most of the guys who were who would shoot me a lot it was just I didn't know where to go and then the the american part in in washington a lot of that was just not good yeah like the problem I talked about last time about not being able to tell if someone was a russian or an ally that's their parts it just gets worse and worse yeah especially when it's dark well yeah and also either you have friends that are on this in the same area is the russian so you can't tell who's firing at what um but then once the power goes out once the mp goes off that is again the game gets good like as you're dodging the following helicopters and then you start finding guys again that uh just just to talk about that story for a moment I mean you know I've already said that I think it's dumb but one thing I didn't really understand like even if you wanted to say it's cool whatever is like why would the russians be fighting on like washington d.c like it makes the most sense to me if you're like russian you were gonna attack you'd like hit the west coast super hard make a foothold right so that then you could start bringing supplies in um rather than like why would you hit the east coast i mean to take out the command structure i was gonna say because taking out the capital really doesn't do it i mean they're it's implied that they might kill the president like the 14th century that like taking out the president would like end the war or something you know yeah that shouldn't turn them on yeah i know that i definitely good point um i don't know if this is just me you know being a crazy person but did it sound like you also heard some uh like chinese soldiers in the fight on the american soil like like uh like asian accent no i don't think so i wonder if maybe they if i mean that could be true it may be in the sense that there are parts of russia that extend to be like yeah to like asian areas that they could have some people that might fight from but i don't know yeah it just seemed weird to me because like anytime you do an airborne operation it seems like the whole point of the airborne is to disrupt things enough that a ground force can come in secure foothold because how else would those guys get resupplied take over the burger joint and make hamburgers that right yeah i just i mean it they're they didn't from a storytelling perspective i don't think they achieved what they were trying to achieve like it wasn't clear enough what they were trying to do until the very end and even then it still felt sort of hamfisted and not particularly effective uh some people in the comments from last week were like clearly you don't understand the irony and they're being dick chaney and donald rumsfeld quotes next to gondi quotes and i do understand the irony and it's more clear having beaten the game what they were trying to do but it doesn't come off as clever it comes off as dumb yeah and i mean the no russian level it people insisted on saying well you don't have to kill any civilians and i didn't i never fired my gun until i got outside and even then when i got outside i didn't fire it until they killed me for not shooting anyone but it's like they build up they build up this idea that you're gonna have to sacrifice a part of yourself and do all these things except they don't ever build up the character that's supposed to sacrifice all these things about themselves and then they just kill him yeah it's not he doesn't feel like he's sacrificing anything it feels like i'm being forced to watch and be complicit in this awful thing without being able to develop any emotional connection to this character whatsoever because it's in first person especially because the whole point of him being inserted i thought was to get close to master of if that's the case why wouldn't he have just like shot them all in the back when he was right there in the air i mean a lot of stuff about that scene doesn't seem to make sense in a first person game they don't have the benefit of sort of external dialogue and being able to show facial facial features and acting and you never really get a feel for that guy as a character so you have no idea what he thinks or does or cares so all that you have is you and all you see is that you're given this character you're told to do this awful thing and then it kills you and that's not good storytelling that's taking my that's keeping bad faith with me as the person who's interacting with your fiction yeah i mean i i felt like a lot of the weird twists in it were like what not as a gratuitous yeah there were a lot of crazy twists like why did that guy just kill that guy and why is this guy betraying me i'm like what and then he'd be like because no one cared about the nuclear bomb in the first game and you're like what shut up but you know one cared everybody cared right yeah i don't know to me the the airport scene at at at first it was like really chilling and haunting and like crazy you know i i was kind of more in the mindset of it of feeling like damn this is really fucked up you know not not not really limiting on the fact that i didn't really know who i was personally i kind of knew you know i'm you know it's undercover agent whatever doing this and that but the part that kind of like killed it for me and pulled me out of the whole situation was when um you're walking through the airport and there's a floor below you and a lot of civilians are bottlenecking into the stair the stairwell leading down yeah i'm one of the guy leans over the rail and like shoots all the guys trying to leave and like so i go over and i look and at that moment like probably like 10 or 12 of the civilian ais all activate the same death animation at the same time yeah yeah it's just like oh now it feels like now it feels cheap to me like the only the most believable part of that whole section is not my motivation or the story or the emotion that they're trying to convey it's the screams of the people as they're running away from the guns yeah that yeah and that's that's awful yeah yeah yeah i mean it was chilling and and i actually liked the twist at the end the fact that they killed you that to me all right i thought it was uh it was unexpected yeah part they succeeded and then to me i was like okay this is how they bring the war to the u.s right like they're framing the u.s for this terrace yeah as as the mcguffin to make that happen right although it's a smock and it makes sense although i still read this thing in krispie gamer today he was talking about how ridiculous it is that russia would decide that that guy zakayev was like a a hero of their country and i mean just a terrorist like a lot of people russia feel like uh the dude that's in charge now that's super shady and has like kgb connections is a hero to russia so that's not i i don't i take issue with that but one of the people that you're there with that is part of macarov's team is killed and you leave his body there why do they assume that you that an american organized it when there's a fucking russian not only that i can i the only only like three of us made it when i played i like not only did one die and he said leave him and i threw a grenade and two more of them died because i accidentally blew them up with the grenade we just left them all behind oh shit so i don't know you're right i mean it's just it's full potholes and i don't know it's the more ambitious they got the less they could sort of keep a rain on the scope and really the multiplayer on the other hand it's good but a lot of the same issues from last time are there and getting killed by helicopters every second or predator missile or see i felt like that game chuff where you jumped in with us that was just a really bad game for us like yeah not number one like you were a rank one and we were all in like our rank 20s and i don't know you guys say the match making is pretty bad but i know when i jump into games by myself oh well no i just feel like it wasn't that good i don't know yeah i don't know like i feel like when i get into rank matches by myself i'm pretty well balanced against my you know whoa the people i'm going up against but it's like matches like that where there's a rank one in a room full of like rank 20s like of course like you're gonna yeah i mean i had like the base gun and yeah but i mean the most annoying part was that i just couldn't seem to like live i was just getting killed by off maps and that's the thing that bothers me about the matchmaking is that there's this class of people that are obsessed with that game and that are so good at it that these people that go like 60 and 13 for kill death like other people have to serve as the meat for that grinder for them to get that and so there it's just going to be this permanently lopsided thing i mean if matchmaking was appropriate people would be much closer to like a 50/50 spread because they'd be going against people who were as good as them i still like it a lot um but yeah there's one thing that still bothers me more than anything about like that being said like i like it a lot but i still feel like the HUD can be a little busy at times yeah and maybe that's just for now because i just started you know like how when you just start you're gonna be getting all kinds of words like oh you just got 10 kills with this rifle exactly but it's like it's like every time i kill a guy it's like man they find the most amazing amount of ways to reward you for anything you do which is cool headshot long distance yeah because a lot of times the rewards can stack too like if you headshot a guy at long distance and it's killed you before it's a yeah revenge yeah exactly and you ended his streak yeah so it's like the equivalent of seven kills in the first game worth of points yeah so but that's because all that applies to like so many other things whether it's like a red dot site or an upgrade for your pistol which is great i mean that's all good you guys find for your secondary weapon do you take like a full-size weapon or do you i still take just like a machine pistol myself so far it's like my ocean i've been taking a rocket launcher but i'm tempted to start taking a shotgun to be honest which is ridiculous that i can say i'm gonna take an assault rifle and i guess i'll take a shotgun i don't i mean i'm i'm having fun with it and it is really good and i would like to try to spec ops and also i didn't realize until a couple days ago that the museum is a level that you can go into oh how do you start the can if you go to the campaign mission select the museum is a level you can start after you finish it yeah and so you'll be in there and then these people will be doing their shit in slow motion but if you hit the red button at the front desk all of them come to life and start trying to kill you and meanwhile every gun in the game is in a glass case there cool i think that annoyed me uh about our multiplayer experience the most above everything else actually not i think about it it's just that guys were taking a lot of shots because we were playing normal and the reason we're playing normal was because we couldn't play hardcore because it wasn't a long wait well no because we weren't even in party chat because you can't play but you can't play team deathmatch with uh with party chat enabled we were never in party chat yeah we were no we were in party chat we were playing uh ground war well when we when we were playing we didn't play with party chat for a lot of it but yeah that just seems backwards to me like like every other game that has like unlockable stuff is slowly learned that for like group play like that's not a good idea like rock band now they're just like here's all the songs now you can play them all because that's the way you want to play it's like when i play called duty i like to play search and destroy but it's not search and destroy hardcore team but i like to play that too but i'm saying search and destroy has always been a favorite mode of mine and it just like i have to like go through a bunch of matches that i don't necessarily want to play just to unlock the mode like yeah that i just don't get that and instead of making me talk with my own team by a restricting party chat it has made me mute anyone that's not on my friend's list like this was the game that finally drove me to mute everyone but the people on my friend's list or to set it up to where you can't hear people that aren't on your friend's list well yeah that's your default xbox option or something they can't hear me and i can't hear them so they have had the net effect of me but you know play this game online a whole bunch uh not this week change your whole not this week because of reviews yeah i've been like it's my first week of work i don't know man my my favorite mode has always been uh ground war so i'm at least happy that party chat is selective for that ground war is the big like big team battle yeah it's the big teams yeah i like just like you get more kills yeah at least like certain destroy because i've always liked not having response or one person can end up being like the john rambo that right everyone else gets wiped out and got like two people against eight and somehow they bring it back because no response and i mean just one more thing to counter your previous point tower i mean i prestige in the last call of duty so it's not like i didn't play it in a loop all the way around although it was the dumbest decision i ever made to prestige i played the pc one a little bit too how is it much more twitch but still a lot of fun from what i see it can look a lot better it can look really sharp at times yeah although you know the funny thing is is that shawn ellie is actually like the worst person ever with the supply drops not only has he killed a teammate with it he's killed himself he's killed himself the box fell on one of the higher level challenges is killing people other people with your supply drop like dropping it on top of them yeah he's done on that accident every time's red and we'll be like how the fuck do you just do these like i just wanted to be close to it so no one else would get it and be like yeah i have stolen a lot of supply drops and multiplayer you know what i feel about the the maps in modern warfare two more so than the first modern warfare i feel like there are a lot more very dangerous kill zones and every map like streets then previously don't go yeah yeah every single map has more than one area where it's you just you do not go just don't even go down this way you're gonna get mowed right mowed down all right um is that it first be a very perfect thing yeah this is where you can come back after a spoiler talk but uh where it's like a breaker okay go a steady with me i know it turns you off when i get talking like a team i get talking like a team you're directing me you dress up i lose my grip my focus make those eyes at me i lose my grip i lose my focus oh steady with me i know it turns you off when i i get talking like a team hello hello and welcome back to pakti uh so we had a question the topic for the show which was uh man my computer is going look at that we've all seen the slide show anyway sorry your your netbook yeah so we had a what's your bummer of 2009 yeah it was the prompt sorry i got distracted by the fact that there's an ebony advertisement on our yeah google fills i know but i'm just saying ebony that that fucking advertisement is everywhere at least this one is one of the ones like a soldier guy and not just boobs like they always do like like they don't even try and like get him with the fans sometimes they're like boobs ebony i don't know if it were boobs because then it would look like in the banner we were both looking down at them yeah speaking of which we need to add Tyler to the banner i've seen people that said that too yeah someone wrote in i actually did a drawing a tower a while back it i just wasn't happy with it i don't feel like i've been able to to adequately capture the one i thought it was good so here's what arthur said he said uh with the closure pandemic earlier this week it's just another reminder of how many low moments the game industry has had in 2009 with that in mind we want to talk about what's your most disappointing moment of the year so far was outside of michael jackson dying try to stick to game since you know this and there this is theoretically a gaming penis podcast okay so that was it what's your bummer it's you know what's your bummer bro so i have three that i why don't you give us one could kind of start off with well the first one would be it's a broad category and i'll just say grin i'm really disappointed that grin didn't turn out to be a better development series i felt like i don't mean that in a dick way because for one i felt like their their first bonnet commando arcade game was fantastic and then that maybe they took on more than they could chew well clear way they took on more than they yeah with terminator wolverine and then the next gen bonnet uh huh and do wolverine though oh they didn't do wolverine i thought they did wolverine okay so they did terminator and the new the next gen bonnet commando what else did they do they did something else right uh wanted wanted that's what it was sorry apologies apologies was um this year last year wanted was this year question i want to say this year early this year yeah i think it was early this year we all just freaked out because we heard a doorknob turning with his anthony's cat at the closet door but i you know i i just remember seeing bonnet commando the the arcade version and thinking the remake of the arcade yeah and thinking how how amazing it was and like how they did such a great job and they're you know their art direction their music i think that was backbone that did by the committory arm no grin did bionic mana re oh they did yes yeah yeah that's what i'm saying like it was it's it's a bummer to me when shit went south with them i i i liked bionic commando like the next-gen version of bionic commando it was not it was the best game that they did i mean i i again it's not a game that i felt was perfect but i i really liked the swingy mechanic i thought it was really fun i thought that it was really skill-based and i appreciated that and the story probably wasn't their fault no story was awful i i mean i don't know like i i enjoyed it but uh it's just the way you put it is that you started the thing that bummed me out was grin and that and i was expecting you to say in the green closed but instead you said that grin was not a better studio yeah i mean that that's just me speaking honestly like i really i thought they were gonna be a really you speak truth my friend um ziax says the only thing i can think of is that ea's bid towards creation of new ip's instead of just sequel iteration hasn't panned out so far excuse me i think activation might be about to take a bath on their plastic hardware releases though so ea may come be vindicated in the long run it's pretty pretty clear activation was planning on the economy sailing right along when it started development of all those games and then became committed to them though they're still making money always i i wonder if he met activation or ea because right whereas activation is doing just fine ea also bet on new ip when the economy looked like it was doing better no i think you might be i think activation might be about to take a bath on their plastic hardware releases though the price points are geared towards people with money to spend that there isn't he i think he's meaning things like the new like like uh deejay hu and stuff you know or turning up right meanwhile ea's rock band is geared towards incremental purchases and uh much higher margin on the back end instead of initial sale i try not to think about too much about how much money i've dumped into rock band i just hope the ea doesn't completely abandon the development of new ideas they just need to abandon things like dead space extraction you shut your mouth which may or may not be good games but aren't hitting the actual market of the we yeah yeah he's got a point on that yeah he's got a point on that would be to expand on things like battlefield 1943 develop new ip's and smaller chunks for the download market and then iterate on that for full sequels the other bummer is that all these damn late pc releases i want assassins creed two damn it well anti-piracy measure says low if it's any consolation you will definitely get the best version of assassins creed two because uh they definitely lowered the texture detail on assassins creed two to to get the frame rate and tearing under control because there are points when that game it generally looks really good but there are points where that game just looks awful and it's always in close because the textures just look weird and shiny and the clipping is bad and what game assassins creed two uh um cocktippus says if you not read his comment the psp go for me when i what started out as a pretty cool idea turned out to be an ugly poorly designed and overly expensive portable device my first turn about it i thought i might be a suitable replacement for my stolen psp one thousand but design and price drove me to pick up a two thousand instead add to that the fact that the regular psp can download games as well and all you get is yet another misstep by sony i have to say i disagree with everything about the price issue i don't think that's an ugly machine at all i think it's ugly but i mean not having umd drive and not having like a a way to transfer umds kills it for me wait you said you think it's ugly but those things i don't think it's okay i don't think it's ugly it's just that like not having a way for me to transfer all my current umd games kills it for me see that doesn't bother me what bothers me is that there's no requirement for companies to put their shit on the the playstation network right i'm just saying of course it doesn't bother you though because but i also have like 20 umd games true so i mean it would be a reinvestment for me and i can't see myself wanting to do it just to get a smaller system and you have so many umds um yeah i do um well sorry my cat's going no no all right so germany has that weird one germane scoble says uh sure says uh 3d realms closing he had their claim to fame was making max pain they didn't make max pain yeah no they they did duke nukem duke nukem uh max pain is a rockstar game and uh and a shit ton of duke max pain was a remedy game who were working on elan wake well it wasn't wasn't the original max pain a rockstar game it was published by uh by take two i think wasn't it and then um and then i thought max pain two maybe was made by remedy no max pain one was remedy okay rockstar did max pain two and they're working on max pain three they own the ip um so but there was a so yeah their claim to fame was making not making max pain and a shit ton of duke nukem games i don't want to make that many duke nukem games but there was a certain mystique behind the on and off development of nuke duke nukem forever i followed the game for years and was genuinely excited but then the entire charade became kind of ridiculous honestly after seeing post posthumous footage i was posthumous posthumous sorry uh i'm gonna start cracking you when you say thanks one or two okay yeah i'm sorry i just honestly just seeing posthumous footage is i was surprised that the game actually existed it didn't after seeing said footage though it's probably good that the project never saw the lie today i'm gonna call bullshit even on the posthumous footage i've heard things from inside people that that game never existed beyond concept art yeah that all the footage that they shipped out was made by a third party studio about this is what we hope our game would be like yeah and it's just an animation yeah i had had not heard that yeah i heard that from uh from a from a third party who's had some of the work that the studio supposedly did the video and also you already totally correct me earlier i said ottles and you said ottles yeah but that wasn't on the air oh well now it is um i can tell you man that that game went to white mustaches besides i was just fucking with you i don't understand this white mustache is white dusty mustaches that's that's where that game went up the nose oh how lame or we for not getting that yeah i could have phrased it better i guess hipsters don't know anything about cocaine yeah i know i was like the exact opposite um thanks for explaining the joke douchebag so uh and uh martin maybe this is one you guys could comment on martin pinwald says the pinnacle station dlc for mass effect took him so incredibly long to release the second set of dlc and yet it felt like a rush job oh my god i heard such awful things about it that i didn't play it good point sir yes i did play it actually i have actually made it a point to start going through mass effect again in an anticipation of mass effect too yeah here's one that i don't get that i think neither of us will get which is uh stonius says i have to say one of the most recent games i've played was the biggest disappointment wet it seems like a winning formula good looking tough female lead that actually has actual clothing on who comes armed with a gun in a katana it looked like it could have been kill bill the video game but sadly it just wasn't fun after a while and it was extremely buggy nothing like a 50/50 chance that she might grab onto the ledge you're jumping at or just fall to her death glad i got it off goose x and was able to trade it back and after i forced myself to finish it in two sittings and not lose any money i like the way you pronounce goose eggs and goose x and it's like goose eggs goose eggs goose eggs and port goose eggs eyes what is it the captain price says in uh in modern warfare too you can't be betrayed if you never trusted them yeah exactly i i i was i was a little disappointed and wet mainly because i wanted it to be good but that was my own moral failings that made me a little bit disappointed and wet but it was so quickly replaced by rage that i guess there wasn't much room for disappointment and not rage the it video game no not not the the libertarian post-apocalyptic fantasy yeah um marty marty jesus one of the things that really bummed him out even though he doesn't own it is that he said he didn't like the uh microsoft breaking third party unauthorized memory cards with the new dashboard update yeah that happened recently you know it's particularly galling giving the overpriced cost of ms storage the only other alternative and i don't even own one of these cards so i mean yeah i it's funny i'm so glad that that happened when it did though because i had been wanting to buy a new memory card and you almost well and i almost because i was like oh these ones i can put sd cards and why wouldn't i get one of these and then someone was like no no don't do it and i was like oh thank god so now i was i have a 500 mega i don't understand how it was a former playstation owner you would ever trust a third party memory card i don't know because i want to believe that they've gotten better because you're cheap i well in the fact that they could hold four gigs right that was what it came down to i don't i just i don't understand what you would do with four gigs of a memory card i barely use the 64 megabyte memory card i have now right yeah i have one that i don't use what about you guys you guys you guys got to come through with y'alls uh fails of two thousand uh i guess i i was saying in the car that a lot of minor handheld games that i wanted to really like because i love playing games on handheld for whatever reason mm-hmm like if i had to be a section editor of a of a site like ign when they had sections i would want to do like a psp or a ds thing just because i like handheld games kind of like maybe for the same reason we were talking about like sometimes like when a handheld game is really good it's not going to blow your way to be fancy and do all these really fancy things that a lot of next gen home console games do but sometimes they feel like they got like heart like you and i were talking about and they're just like really good games and but uh i guess and i you know it's like i'm one of those people that i don't just play handhelds when i'm traveling i i'll sit in my room and choose to play a handheld over a console game so you know i i out of morbid curiosity i've tried a lot of the big games and tried out their handheld counterparts and they're always awful this year whereas like the force unleashed that was like one that came out and i was like wow the handheld counterpart was actually really good but uh you know like call duty was bad um i haven't tried assassins creed for ds but it's in my backpack right now i'm scared psp one wasn't good though did you guess assassins creed one wasn't good either was it no and you know but one i've heard that i'm hopeful about so on the opposite side that could be an upper for me not a bummer is a little big planet i was just about to ask you about that and i do with it so i want to try it cool so i'm pretty excited to try that because i hear it's quite good other than there's no multiplayer which kind of makes me skeptical only because for me that's like the only way i would ever play the original big planet was with other people right yeah so we'll see um you arthur um i mean besides the obvious things of people losing their jobs yeah i i mean that's that's what prompted this this topic was just like the the aa layoffs over the last couple weeks and every other week they're being a layoff or closing up somebody it's just the the sheer human devastation that this year has reeked on the gaming industry and and people we know and people we know by association is just that's been my the shittiest thing about the year and obviously i spent most of the year unemployed so um i think as far as games go to take it to a more shallow place after that kind of statement um yeah well i mean that's what we're kind of focusing on i mean there's the obvious things lots of people that were important died this year too but you know i mean i feel like this is the the bizarro world version of launch goggles which is that i modern warfare two right now is probably one of the more disappointing experiences i've had this year as far as the single player goes because i i really enjoyed the single player in modern warfare uh i actually finished call of duty four on hardened and then started up right back again on on veteran and played through it again and i have virtually zero intention of doing that this time because it's just i didn't have a lot of fun yeah i mean i mean you guys y'all for you two story is like a much bigger deal for me stories not that big of a deal but even i felt like this one felt like a tom clancy story uh that's not fair because tom clancy can actually write a decent story i actually like the first ghost recon story um i mean like pay not patriot games but clear and present danger in the hunt for of october tom clancy stories yes i'm yeah i'm very well aware that yeah enough that he pins most anything with his no he actually sold his name his the use of his name i think right maybe to ooby saw i mean how ridiculous is that to be able to imagine that tylor barber you're gonna put my name well yeah i mean at this point it's because his name represents a universe right a consistent universe um like forgot it's like tom clancy's forgotten realms several people in our comments are saying this in arthur you'd probably actually agree um are saying you know a lot of people were disappointed with brutal legend they really like it wasn't a good i can imagine a lot of um they you know that is actually right up there the only thing that go ahead i was gonna say sugar free says the gameplay is dull and the rts stuff isn't so fluid with psychonauts being one of my favorite games of last gen i was hoping double find would expand their vision and abilities as opposed to drive them into a corner by making a game so heavily dependent on one's knowledge and appreciation of heavy metal they effectively sent brutal legend to die and unfortunately it's a story slash game play cannot compare to psychonauts and therefore doesn't even have that feel good cult charisma of their previous tile um i i don't think being sent to die means with that guy thinks he means because ea like really poured a lot of money into that game and a lot of marketing in that game is not being sent to die and being supported that that game has gotten more support than anything tim shafer has ever released yeah um but i i think the only reason the brutal legend isn't the same kind of disappointment for me is because i've been my expectations to that has been have been slowly deflating since july like ever since i played it i i have been expecting less and less of that game um peter w says something that i just find kind of amusing because somebody ended up saying like the worst game of the year was darkest of days that one that i told you about were you traveled through time and we're we're we're we're dark so peter w says i agree that darkest of days is the worst game of the year i wanted the game to be good to the plot concept was so perfect for so many different and excellent gameplay opportunities that were either weren't capitalized on or half asked like the rest of the game you thought billent head's excellent adventure would make a great first-person shooter going to a dumb bunch of different times could be silly fun but uh the worst part of this game is that the game's concept is pretty much blackballed forever because of how poorly the game was made it's not yeah give it give it give it a year and then and then it's over it's and then and then give it five years from now and a game called darkest of days will come out again i mean hell's uh what's that game that actually singularity touches i was thinking of the exact same um not the singularity is going to be good necessarily because i didn't particularly enjoy the time i spent with it but singularity does touch on some of the same stuff yeah i thought of that exact same game one person just says uh gord gordy nyc just says marvel ultimate alliance to enough said and the next person just says true that double true i didn't play that one but uh i mean yeah that's not really enough said i've heard some things said about it but biggest disappointment of the year seems a little strong someone on my twitter said borderlands is their biggest disappointment of the year and that fucking threw me for a loop yeah that's crazy i mean and it seemed like he expected everyone to be in agreement with him which is also amazing to me because i have not met anybody who did not have good things to say about borderlands surprisingly enough like i can't think of anyone i know in person who didn't enjoy it that played it micha michdyer writes in who's that fucking asshole yeah uh this douche he comments is way too often even go so far as to put up his own fucking avatar yeah you saw that um who do you think you fucking are some kind of games right here and then he says uh any leaked footage of games we will probably never play is always is always a heartbreaker i have actively avoided watching that mutant league football footage because it's only going to bum me out yeah and seeing that rumored star wars battle front footage charlie after it was supposedly killed was depressing that was last year hearing about cancellations what he's just saying in general okay hearing about cancellations like that sucks 3d pent 3d realms pandemics problems all year and the most recent batch of va layoffs it's a rough time we're all i think we're all sad about pandemic i do not know anyone who is particularly surprised about pandemic yeah yeah because i've had a series of missteps recently i mean this whole console generation has been a step in the disaster for them i'm surprised they lasted this far into it but along the lines what micha was talking about there was also the road rash hd thing i never saw anything from that i just heard really that it existed and now it doesn't yeah but i saw the video for the mute league football thing and yes that was a fucking bummer this this is something i didn't know about which is interesting to me uh moses writes in from heaven and says uh as far from apartheid yeah as far as uh the most disappointing moment goes it has to be when the crtc the canadian equivalent of the fcc said that it was okay for internet service providers to throttle customers including companies they sell wholesa internet to as a result of my roommates extensive torrent use for naruto and porn they didn't add that um we have been throttled and i'm no longer able to play online games while the government regulator says competition be damned there's essentially two internet providers in this part of the country because they also provide internet to the competition they can slow down anyone that has smaller company service i have no alternative man i would say move to america but i mean comcast has the ability to do the same thing to us they have straight out said that they throttle torrent traffic and we have bandwidth caps although we've never hit it and i don't know that we ever will because it's 300 gigabytes a month right and i don't die only downloads steam games and the occasional like porn out but i only need two minutes so i don't download a lot um there's a youtube there are several youtube sites of porn exactly one's called you yeah i was like why do why do people even download honestly the best named one that i've seen is spankwire spankwire uh some of them don't even have names that make sense but that's enough about pornography um i don't think it is sir what have you been disappointed with tyler yeah another one is it it's it's another another one oh yeah he said he had three yeah yeah i have three another one is a double edge it's like it's number one you know it's also a big disappointment but also like the greatest thing to happen to me all year which is pc gaming and the disappointment aspect is like shit like i can't get sieve for multiplayer to work i can't get battlefield to multiplayer to work and also you now know the heartbreak of the pc yeah yeah and like i consider myself like a person i feel like i can pretty much do whatever i want to do in life if i want to do something i feel capable yeah you feel pretty savvy about computers and stuff except there are times you feel completely at a loss right well you know and when i would hear people talk about like oh pc gaming it seems so oh crazy i don't even want to mess with it i'm like oh whatever i can figure it out you know so what we've done is introduce insecurity in tyler's yeah it's like jesus dude yeah i figured out pc gaming in general is kind of a pain in the ass especially like i was telling arthur for reviews it's like you never know is this game being fucked up like this because of me my hardware is it like a common problem like that's the nice thing about reviewing like a 360 ps3 game it's like you know that everyone has the same platform it's fucking up for me if it's fucked up it's fucked up whereas like me like when i get stalling and lefforded to mpc i don't know is that my hardware what is it like who knows but you know but but but on the same hand i i would say in the very same breath like my number one gaming experiences of the year have all been on pc this year like i'd say my game of the year would probably be like i don't know world of goo i mean it's because i've played help me god i'm gonna punch you in the balls world of goo or like i know that came out last year or uh or siv for which came out years and years yeah years but it's but you know i played it this year i think another one of my disappointing moments is splinter self-conviction getting delayed dude big one for me as well although on it i mean that's mark i think it might actually be february so it's not that long from now but when it happened i was like well fuck like what am i gonna play assassin screen two yeah exactly you know yeah arthur i i agree with you and i was thinking about that one too and it's it's another one of the double-edged ones where all the twenty ten delays they're disappointing but it's like the games are gonna be better for yeah and honestly there hasn't really been a point there's been like maybe a week or so where i felt like well maybe i don't quite have as much to play as i'd like for the podcast but i've i felt like i've been able to keep up and and have stuff to play without feeling overwhelmed um the look on your face says that this should be good well it's just like all right so tom wiser says this is his disappointment he says the nintendo ds and he says uh i might be part of minority you are but i honestly haven't picked up my ds for more than a few total hours this year i might be jaded because the device is like the iphone but i have become less inclined to own a system that feels like more of a hassle to carry around i've also come to a point where graphics are beginning to matter to me and more often than not a ds's game layout slash design just turns me off if the new dsi went beyond psp levels of graphics i would have thought about getting one but to me nintendo just dropped the ball millions of dollars says otherwise i'm gonna say this right now i have probably played my ds for a grand total of 17 hours this year right i'm not saying that there aren't people that aren't going to play games on it but to say nintendo dropped the ball even with like the dsi and stuff is just yeah i mean is that are you disappointed with the dsi or the ds or are you disappointed in yourself yeah because i i mean maybe it's just you know like the games or something but like the ds has been maybe your usage patterns have changed like mine certainly have the dsi is like i mean the whole point of them not making it a system with way better graphics is because they aren't there's no point to them to release a whole new handheld and diversify and kill the ds at this point still sells a lot so yeah and i'm sure they'll sell a ton of the dsi's giant one where where i agree with um where i where i agree with the with the listener is um just feeling now the further we get away from the we launch the further we get away from the ds launch i'm just feeling like that resolution is is not good enough for me you know i'm agreeing with this guy where i feel like i want psp or iphone resolution i don't mind it when games own it and like don't try and go when they're not trying to be like call of duty and that's true it looks like scribble knots where scribble knots or like a phoenix right game where they just do like these cuts and they're not like trying to be animated and stuff like um another huge disappointment of the year for me which may be one of the biggest is the we owning audience is my disappointment this year yeah because i think there are a lot of people out there that our gamers that like to play are hardcore quote unquote games you know it's like but they're not buying the Wii games out there that are good hardcore games like dead space like dead space a mother in his blog didn't sell well super punch out it didn't sell well oh did yeah boings bob i mean it's something i made the list i didn't see it on anything i didn't even see it on the top 20 um i know that submit sarcar and uh and my twitter feed said that scribble knots was his biggest yeah not just submit that's actually a pretty common thread throughout this uh you know it's it's always dangerous to talk about the way you would review games in retrospect and stuff but i have no doubt that like everyone that's worked in it and written a lot of reviews that have ended up on sites you know has ended up scoring something that they're like huh in hindsight i might not have given it that score you know what i mean like yeah yeah uh having not i don't i didn't i thought i thought scribble knots is fine and i had some fun with it i would not have given it a high score uh but i totally see why it would get high scores yeah i feel like i would have actually i might you know it's dangerous to talk about it like i said because but i i don't know like my love for scribble knots is kind of faded as i spent more time with it but because it becomes more transparent yeah and like the the magic of it like oh i can type whatever and solve this kind of goes away when you sort of see the way the system works it feels more like a gimmick yeah yeah it's just i i guess uh you know i know plenty of other people i've talked to that have been doing this for a long time a lot longer than i have that have told me straight up that they've scored things wrong you know and then you see like some or certain people that scored certain launch games for any console like way high and they're like oh god what was i thinking so now i'm pretty sure that uh chay from one up he defends yeah chay chay actually believes in perfect dark zero oh seriously like that guy i will give him this he he is committed to loving that game well uh what this the the vamp who sometimes comments with us says uh red faction gorilla i like to blow up the buildings part but the fighting against other humans just pissed me off a lot i don't know what it was but it made me take the game back i'm not sure others feel the same man i don't the shooting in red faction gorilla was so much better than i expected it to be like for that that has some of the best shooting in an open world game i've ever played all right i still have that on myself and haven't played it sadly i mean you played some hours of it i played like an hour and a half for the preview at one point but uh yeah that's one sadly i haven't played either so Fred Olson says uh his biggest discipline of the year is game journalists all of them maybe i'm adapting to only getting information from the internet but i no longer find great stories to read about being a person that spends more time reading about games and the people who make them then actually play them i really feel there has been a lack of in-depth coverage on games and game developers yes no um that he's reading the wrong sources well on online i think that's true i i don't think that there are very many good places gamma suture and the escapist right there are a couple of good places but in general the vast majority of of games journalism is not covering that sort of thing which to be fair you could argue there's only there's only room for so much of that you know um i will give him this this has been sort of a a low year for gaming journalism and i think a lot of that is because the economy has caused such an upheaval in positions and job security and direction for various sites that that people have been so concerned with wondering if they have a job for the next year or what staff or budget cuts or what their freelance budget's going to be for the next six months that it's been hard to focus on things that aren't sure traffic drivers yeah as shitty as that is to say like it and it's not i mean i just think that it's a lot of a lot of people have just been concerned with that kind of stuff and it's probably affected what they've done right i mean but it is true that there really hasn't been a lot there it really hasn't been a lot of in-depth coverage because besides gamma suture and escapist which are both excellent it's like a lot of other sites they do do more of a a standard sort of coverage which you know not to tutor on horn but you should look the games by soon like i think we're on the right track we got some really cool features coming up that are going to be those sort of features i think i'm hoping to introduce more feature oriented content yes you should check out the next box as well but i'm not saying you should check out t-max box as well yet because i still think we have right i'm just saying in games by we got a lot of the old feature writers from gfw and egm lined up to write some really cool stuff for us so we're going to be doing a little bit another of a push in the new direction on games by real soon i wonder how much of a factor twitter plays and all this this is the year of twitter yeah the year when so many uh so many game leaks i mean yeah details information about games in general is just being dropping on twitter the fastest rather than like mhm sure traffic drivers have been like who gets what minor detail at the fastest rather than you know it's always like this weird balance of if i spend a week of one person that salaried the whole week and they sit there and put all this research and all this extra like our time into doing all these interviews and backstory and research and it's going to pan out in the story that's only going to get x amount of page views or that same person could go play these five games and write up a list of how these five games vary from one another and it gets three times that and they did that in the afternoon it's like you know it's it's sad but that is becoming a reality of like as far as the business part of it goes of who can stay open right now because ad dollars matter as it is or but there's still good stuff out there oh no there is i mean there it's just that it's just that is the room for a bunch of sites to do that you know what i mean like those sites have that niche kind of covered is the thing so i can expect in that from game spot or ijian not really reasonable ijian in game spot like the the thing that they do amazingly you know is that they're comprehensive coverage like man you can go there and type in the most obscure ds game you didn't think about and they got something on it you know um so i'm gonna read just a couple more about just one more because we're at 152 right i'm just gonna read one more because arthur hates you exactly no it's actually because i hate you every last one of you can't we both hate them we both hate you tyler tyler doesn't hate you though i love you enough for all of us pop car no um so let's see you better pick a good one you asshole all right so basil bub i picked him because i like the skull already says uh the lack of we motion plus usage in we games pisses me off a lot of games could definitely use the extra precision and that's the one i'm gonna kind of use as the end of it because that is true like we motion plus i bought one of those with we sports resort and so far it's like tiger wood they're like tiger wood wait for the next Zelda yeah it's like why it's like i i thought i kind of thought we were gonna see a lot more games using that but so far and they uh regi fis of me was saying earlier this week that they had really hope to have uh red steel two out this year as a way to drive the adoption of that but apparently they sold like four million of them oh we sports resorts enough to drive that so you fucking people you fell for it well we spectra's art is fun you fell for it so and next year we can get excited about the vitality sensor no fuck you no one's a lot good excited about good quality sensor all right tyler if you're if you get excited about that if i hear you dude i have your care about nintendo your chest and like a and a good year although you should care for new super my brothers we kind of don't care about that that is an excellent excellent you should bring it with you to work tomorrow so i didn't talk about enough in the what we've been playing thinks i didn't think about but that is an excellent fucking win that is that is easily the weekend i'm sorry we don't talk about baby games in the first day that is so really beyond the baby game right it's part of shit yeah i'm obviously joking i really want to put leg in um so let's take a break and we'll be right back with your letters [Music] [Music] Hello hello hello um Melissa writes in and says dear rebel FM I just picked my topic for the final essay of my English 101 class i've decided to write about the value of video games oh geez when i told my teacher yesterday she looked sort of shocked she then proceeded to tell me that her other students think games are bad for you she was also skeptical that i could actually research this topic and provide references i have to do a PowerPoint presentation in front of the class and other faculty members along with the paper could you guys point me in the direction of some informative websites articles books etc that can help me the book smart bomb gama yeah smart bomb everything bad is good for you um gama sutra grant of childhood um focus on Ian Bogost even cnn has done some articles about the positive effects of video games they've shown that certain video games can be used for like rehabilitating soldiers that have come back wounded i mean you know uh shit anecdotally we saw children using video games the way to cope when they're sick in a hospital um and then so what you want to do is find a book like smart bomb or everything bad is good for you read their chapters on games and then go to the cited sources in the back of the books for those chapters yeah she says uh she wants to focus on how they can be a viable media that benefit the player like her eye doctor has recommended she plays a first person shooter for two hours a day while wearing an eye patch over my right eye to strengthen my left eye it's lazy but you can't tell from looking supposedly this will strengthen the eye muscle or something like that but that's sort of what i want to write about the relevance of video games in my life yeah that's uh smart bomb talks about a lot of that specific thing so that like actual physical benefits and how games have helped kids to read for the last couple of decades yeah um so yeah so it is out there um you could make a good powerpoint presentation in grant of childhood that was the book written by the husband and wife team that that looked at children's game habits i don't i haven't read that one i need to read smart bomb i kept meaning to buy it and didn't but everything bad is good for you is a really great book what is uh what is it is it just is that about video games or is that it's not just about video games it's about all sorts of shit but it also goes from the tact of explaining the the reasons that people say the bad shit that they do about games and then sort of deconstructing their arguments in a very methodical and convincing way um so several people asked us actually if we're going to plan a crimson sky's multiplayer event for the game club so we talked about it i would like to as well i would plan on that probably the week after Thanksgiving yeah uh as it is now we're we're not going to have another game club episode until the week after Thanksgiving actually probably that's the way it's looking yeah because this week was just too hectic with me starting work and Matt Shundren is going out of town next week because it is Thanksgiving and yeah scheduling good a time as i need to say that we are going to have a shorter holiday special podcast next week the Easter special i thought it was the Juneteenth holiday special Juneteenth um yeah so next week you'll get something before holidays um Keith writes in and says my coworker and i were just talking about your opening theme it's fucking awful but while laughing we cannot deny it sticks in your head and sometimes you find yourself just singing it several times i thought about asking you guys to go with some of the others you got or switch them up but it sticks and i guess that's kind of the point anyway i don't know it'd be nice to hear something else but i cannot deny the love to hate factor i get out of the god damn broke ass rockabilly opening what's his guy's name uh his name's Keith but he he signed it as mr. justice hey mr. justice fuck you there is the art intro is fucking awesome i love it every time i hear he did say that it went go from horrible to awesome for him yeah yeah it's such a great intro i love our intro and it is different you automatically know that guy is such a the guy that made it too chris he's such a strangely talented musician because he did like some vocals and cello things to like the songs i wrote but then he turned that around and did that and it's like maybe it's almost time to do another contest it might be um maybe we should also actually give chris the stuff that we told we give him for winning the last one that dude i love on top of the car that we got that we already sent him tyler sound effects are like my favorite part of the podcast you know it's that's the whole intro it's just me talking guttural noises so we got a toll cover this is uh from coal with a K uh and uh he says you know he writes in and he wants to talk about breaking into game's journalism but he says uh you know he doesn't want to he says i can already sense the exasperation of your voice but he said here's a different direction in your experience is there a place in the games industry or press for someone who's trained to create media shoot produce edit video right for a broadcast create new media and record an edit audio yes it's called g4 or it's called game trailers i mean uh you know one of the people that worked at game spy Miguel Lopez for a long time he actually left and now he writes basically the scripts that you hear on game trailers tv like that is him and aren't a lot of the i-g-n video stuff i-g-n video a lot of those guys don't script variety of those guys well even still like a lot of the video editor and stuff they don't do any writing they edit video audio they do voice they record voiceovers and put all that together yeah Adam Sessler Morgan web do not write and capture all the video footage they are using for fucking ex-play yeah there's places for people to totally do that that being said those jobs are a little bit harder to get i really think they're in a way they're almost more competitive yeah maybe more specialized but it might be one of those things like once you're in that field you're you're in yeah like flint but yeah i um i think more and more websites are are incorporating video assets but and you sound like you're on the right direction you say you've created documentaries you do a games and radio show i mean for the use university Cincinnati's radio station yeah i mean you have like you're working on a good res like resume and portfolio um but yeah kind of stuff to help me get a drum i think you should just pay attention you should check the Craigslist postings actually for the areas that the companies you would want to work for are because that's where they get posted publicly most of them but yeah there's totally room for people to work in all these companies that don't want to necessarily just do writing um go to mediabeaster.com and sign up for their job listings because that's where a lot of that you'll find that shit especially e who owns g4 let's see Ben writes in i haven't even seen what he wrote but i just wanted to pick him because he he says i'm a day one listener and first-time writer so he's a new listener he's not been with us um i just finished listening to the most wait doesn't that mean they just listen to all of them day one is from day one oh so much like you are a retarded reader he is a day one listener oh now it's not special i'm not going to let any more Ben you've been i apologize for saying retarded i should i still say this is special though of course i mean he's been listening all his time because i was then it's his first no i mean hey he's slogged through hours of god awful entertainment i just finished listening to the most recent episode 40 and loved it but had a couple things to say first just wanted to let you know because of listening to rebel fm i now watch what i say when i'm trying to insult someone what used to happen is because i am a 16-year-old high school 16-year-old in high school almost everyone around me used the words faggot and retarded as we said retarded uh along with calling people pussies or vaginas for acting cowardly which sometimes we do too um now i watch what i say when i feel better about it which is good just being mindful so i thank you for that second thank you for ending episode 40 with weezer they're one of my favorite bands and really made me happy that one of you likes them that was arthur what was arthur's doing yeah because clearly Anthony and Tyler hate weezer i like weezer too but i'm giving credit what's credit it was from the good the best weezer album the first one no or Pinkerton Pinkerton it was uh tired of sex people don't yeah i mean all right you know if you like uh weezer in there your favorite band you should go and listen to the recent interview with rivers quomo on fresh air you can find the podcasts on the mpr's website but that was actually a really interesting interview with him he almost never tweets on twitter but when he does it's usually pretty fucking funny yeah you should check it out though he has some really good stuff about how he's made songs with people over the internet through youtube and stuff it's pretty weird but uh let's see um here weezer they were one of the first bands for me in high school that they were outside of like my set genre not not one it not the first but one uh huh i said they weren't reggae right jerk they weren't ragu the ragu festival um i just man i remember hearing el scorcho and thinking that that song was so good and that was the album that almost killed weezer yeah so yeah it's uh it's kind of weird because uh you know we've we've stopped reading so many relationship letters that people have started like stopped writing in is there a relationship letter in there no there really isn't there isn't even one that we haven't read no i know okay well let's end the moratorium on relationship letters we occasionally like to read them yeah really uh you know it's let us help you i i would like to it's i just you know i gave people a break for a while the the uh haters from that so um but yeah i wouldn't mind them occasionally i think they're actually pretty interesting and they usually let us know a little something about you and a little something about us and the reason the reason why i i don't want to do them is is because uh i don't want to get a situation like on like liz lemon is in on 30 rock with uh that's a deal breaker i like she's always running into like people like men on the streets saying you ruined my relationship that's a deal breaker we're gonna have someone like some girl that comes like he told my boyfriend to break up with me we would never say break up with someone um i'm sure we have unless she's like fucking around on you all the time in which case it might be time to reassess your priorities sometimes people write in with the weirdest letters this one guy just writes in is like Tyler you seem like you smoke weed do you guys take advantage of pot take advantage of it also also yeah he's like also like quits worried about fag and leprechauns are tired that's a good one um yeah actually i was just trying to backlog for a second and see if we had a quick relationship letter that i could like go way back about but uh yeah i'm unfortunately i really just don't see anything all right we'll read another letter um someone wrote in and asked why why my illustration wasn't on the site yeah we talked about that already i know i wanted to talk again what did you want to talk about i just wanted to say i just wanted to bring it up sorry i've just been trying to i see i am blundering because i'm trying to find one like this uh friend of mine tweet the funniest thing about the health care bill it's a good news guys your federal tax dollars still won't go to providing abortions just killing foreign civilians everybody wins all right potluck sorry for the last uh minute and a half which has kind of just been us babbling but uh here's one conrad writes in this was from a while ago october 15th he says uh since everyone wants to seem to share their relationship with you guys i thought i'd let you know about mine as well you're welcome i'm 17 a senior in high school and following two stories are about as close as i've got to a relationship for the first one me and the spin girl have been getting it on at school pretty well and so that's summer i bought her a fifty dollar ticket to a bet concert no small feat when you're 17 no that's not she canceled two days before it and i found out by the beginning of the next school year that she was already seeing someone else my second story involves a Mormon da-da-da-da not just the kind of Mormon type no not the kind of Mormon that just has better relationship with their family but the kind oh jesus i know what you're saying but so do i be worded it is my hometown is full of Mormons um not the kind of Mormon that just has a better relationship with their family but the kind that already has the name of their over four kids planned all starting with the same letter and said at one point that we should have used more atom bombs and Japan that is like a Mormon uh yeah all this should have been signs to you that that was good that that one didn't work out but let's continue the kind that has oh he just keeps going the kind that has a four point six GPA and is still going to Brigham U Idaho oh uh i didn't realize this is the beginning though on our second day i'd wanted to take her mountain biking but her mom decided it would be better if we went to see monsters versus aliens instead is that a movie yeah it was over the it was an April or whatever the dream works yeah monsters versus of course most modern parents would have probably realized the implications of going to a movie but it didn't really matter because we didn't even hold hands Conrad p.s this should be reason enough for let for you to let me know about the secret smell p.p.s since hipster hate now seems to be a feature i thought i should let you know that because of the community i live in is so rural the hipster aesthetic is catch is just catching on so all the girls are wearing scarfs and all the guys are beginning to wear v-neck shirts this is not making my life any easier that was the funniest thing it wasn't even like a relationship like helped me out it was just like that there wasn't even a question that i was just like here's some stuff that happened but still i'll say one thing Conrad uh you know i don't know exactly where you are um maybe it's california maybe it's utal but you should be happy that that mormon thing didn't work out like if you're mormon it's one thing but man i know someone that was a non-mormon who tried the data mormon and it it was nothing but heartache like you know people say they can love can overcome all kinds of obstacles but certain things like that with like a religion that is so integrated in their life especially agree that was actually statistically show like statistics show that opposites do not attract but not just that but mormons in particular like mormons do not date non-mormons like they do sometimes yeah in the hopes that they'll convert the other person so i've never i've never seen it work out long term between someone that wasn't mormon and willing to convert so and a mormon so um good luck with your with next year Conrad get yourself a v-neck t-shirt but you'll never know what that fucking smell is we out we're not not actually uh you should listen to the hammer suit partners podcast the mobcast at uh bitmob.com and geekbox at geekbox.net as well as uh you should definitely check out area5.tv's co-op which can be found at area5.tv or it can be found at revision3.com/co-op you can write to us at letters at eat-sleep-game.com and uh if you want to find me on the internet you can find me at twitter.com/chefmoney and you can read my writing at gamespy.com as well as hear me with Ryan Scott of the geekbox on the game spidey briefings which comes out every Wednesday um you can now find arthur uh you can read my news features and my assassin screed to review at teamexbox.com and you can find me at twitter.com/aegis i was on co-op last week talking about torchlight i'll be on co-op next week talking about assassin screed and that will be the last fucking time i talk about assassin screed to this year i hope and you can find Tyler at gamespy.com where i bring the news for you and your family i'm so mad that you didn't say for use for twitter the news for use uh and then you find them at twitter.com/dirtyt and like to drink yeah hopefully i'll start updating that more because i'm going to check out the 360 functionality uh so let me just to clarify it took a worse implementation of twitter coming to a worse user input uh facilitated method of using it i'm trying to get you to use twitter more often maybe it'll be good for him um i just need a version that won't post thing about it penis enlargements and yeah Tyler's a fooling twin chase he's gotten a little bit of cold feed up from that tweet deck so okay thanks a lot for listening everyone uh thanks so much subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already uh give us reviews on iTunes tell all your friends good reviews good reviews and uh dig the podcast if you want i'd like you to push that more because it'd be cool to see the podcast get dug more area 5 does a pretty good job of it our listeners did for a while and be cool well it doesn't help that our spirits were broken by a big yeah so yeah it'd be cool uh thanks a lot for listening we'll see you all next week for the june teen special fuck dude fuck dude now season with him to let us walk the lane side by try pleasing with stealth brody oh see what stands long and in fact oh oh oh I love you oh in the evening [BLANK_AUDIO]