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Rebel FM Episode 30
Hola and welcome to episode 30 of Rebel FM! This week Tyler, Anthony and I (Arthur) talk about Wet, Wolfenstein, Shin Megami DS and Rage, then move on to talk about the PS3 price cut and the hardware situation as we (and some of you) see it. Then we close out with letters, including an extended discussion on how personal ethics might determine how likely someone is to buy Shadow Complex. Buckle your seatbelt brah, it's a long one (about 2:54 or so). Extended Penis!This week's Music, in order of appearance:Monster Magnet - Monolithic TV on the Radio - Blues From Down HereAlkaline Trio - Wake Up Exhausted (Tegan & Sara cover)Thanks!
[MUSIC] [LAUGH] Welcome to Rebel FM, episode 30. Oh, hey, I didn't see you there. Yeah, episode 30, we've made it to the triple, to the mid-life crisis episode. >> Actually, including Game Club episode, this is podcast number 50. >> Whoa, whoa, that's good. I mean, it's been a ride to say the least. I am your host, Anthony Kegos, of each of the gaming news find out host. >> I forget my name. >> Man, it's been a long day, and then with me is our co-host Arthur Geese and Tyler Barber, also of Eat Sleep Game. >> What up? >> Yes. >> And Game Spy. >> And Game. >> Yeah, and Pawn the Floor Spy. >> Pawn the Floor. Pawn the Floor is a awesome video song, and there's a remix of it done by Tim and Eric. >> Yeah, they actually directed the video. >> It's basically people just having sex with each other without what their clothes on. Anyways, let's talk about games, we're gonna start off with what we've been playing. So let's do that. Let's, what do you guys wanna kick it off with? Who wants to kick it off? >> Tyler. >> I'll kick it off. >> Tyler, Tyler. >> Yes, yes. >> Tyler, Tyler, Tyler. >> So one thing I played a little bit since the last time was some civilization colonization, right? >> So four colonizations. >> So four colonization. And, and it's, it's, it's pretty interesting. Like I'm, you know, I'm quickly, you know, Civ 4 is quickly becoming my favorite game of all time. And colonization is a pretty drastic, it's pretty drastically different than, you know, all the other Civ 4s. And basically what it is is you play on, you know, the continental Americas and you are, you know, colonizing America. So it's like all the Native Americans are already sort of in place. >> Do you have to, like, sorry, I don't mean that. >> No, no, no, no, no. >> You have to like, because I haven't played it, so is it like how they're, like, savage civilizations with savage towns that you have to take over to make your own? >> They're not savage. They are in place civilizations and they even have, some of them will have settlements. So like, you know, the Sioux Indians might have two different, you know, settlements on the map. Some of them will have just one or two. >> Okay. >> And conquer. >> You can conquer them. You can, it's just like Civ, like you can, you know, you can create, you know, a defense pact with them, you know, a lot of times I'll ask you. And it's really cool because if you, if you send, and so like, just a little groundskeeping, a lot of the unit types and the building types and colonization are completely different than the unit types, you know, in the regular Civ. So, you know, you'll, you'll do shit like send, like, pioneers into a Native American village and, and you'll talk to the chief and he'll teach you about, you know, about a, you know, how, you know, how to make coats out of fur or whatever. And so now you have this new skill that, you know, helps your population and so much really cool stuff like that. >> You said that like Lewis and Clark and shit. >> It's, yeah. It's very, I mean, it almost feels like next-gen organ trail in some ways. >> So you said the goal of it is to actually have a revolution to become your own country? >> That is the end game. The end game, so, so there are four, there are four civilizations competing to colonize America. It's the French, the Dutch, the English and Spanish. >> Spanish. >> Yes. And so your goal is to have, have enough revolution sentiment in all of your settlements that you revolt from Europe, you know, from your motherland and when that happens, basically your mother country will send a shitload of dudes and boats, like just rolling up on your towns and straight up like defend your cities. And it's bad too because it's like normal civilization, you know, you have a whole globe that you track. >> Right. >> But since they wanted to, they didn't want to allow you to invade Europe, Europe is just a menu and you sort of send your ship to the edge of the ocean. And it's like go to Europe, you know, and it sort of sends you to a menu where you can do like trading and, you know, a lot of times if their, if their population is displeased with the government, they'll say, hey, you have a master carpenter who is displeased with the French government and he's waiting for you at your ports and so you send a ship to pick them up. Like really cool shit like that. So. >> So do you have to also compete with the, the settlers of the civilizations that are there? >> Yeah. So, so there are another of your competitors, but just like, you know, Civ, you can be friendly with them if you want or not, you know, so, and, and, and there are a lot of other things that are just superficial that are different about it. Like a lot of the land tiles are completely different. Like they have a lot more detail, like there's a lot more detail vegetation, even, even the water, like water has reflective surface and it's, it's really cool, man. You know, if anyone hasn't played it, you know, and they're, they're kind of interested, I definitely would recommend it if you like. >> Is it an expansion or is it like a whole game on its own? >> You know, do you need Civ 4? >> I, I don't, I don't know the answer to that question because I got all these games when I bought the Civ 4 pack. >> Yeah. >> So I'm kind of, before I go out and goes out and buys it, they should check because I'm not sure. I think you might need to buy both. >> Yeah, you may be. >> Wait, I mean, did you buy the Civ 4 pack or did you buy the 2K games? >> The 2K games pack to be much better. >> I mean, they still sell the Civ 4 pack on Steam, I think. >> Right, I'm just saying that you might want to check and not just go and buy colonization on its own because I, I have this feeling like it might be an expansion and not its own game. >> Right, so yeah, so, so I've been playing that and then, and I also went into another, just, just real quick, I started this last night in Civilization 4 Beyond the Sword, which is an expansion that, you know, all of its unique scenarios sort of place you into modern day immediately, you know, instead of starting your civilization from the get-go. And basically the scenario I played is, it's just 1984 Civilization, like the book, you know, the way in 1984 there's basically three armies that have that own the entire world. It's like Eurasia, East Asia, and one other. So I mean, that's basically it, like the whole earth is starved for resources, you know, you have a totalitarian government and a, it's badass, basically, and a, you- >> Do you end up building like future ass weapons and stuff too? >> Yeah, so, so you can build cloning factories and, and then for that pisses off your populace, so then you build mind controlled facilities to where it's like there's no disappointment in your cities, you know, and I'm just like, ah, I've had 1984. >> Sounds like the best expansion for me. >> Yeah, yeah, totally, and like, and you can upgrade your clones to cyborgs, it's like badass in there, like they're not the strongest units you can get, but they're really, really cheap, and you make them real, real fast, so. >> Yeah, it sounds a lot like that Tropico game I was describing last week, which I found out the original one is on Steam, for like five bucks, I think. >> Does it, I mean, is that like a DOS release? >> I don't know, but yeah, I think so, so I don't know. I mean, I think releases like that on Steam generally have like a DOS box wrapper, like I mean, even XCOM ran in Windows 7. >> Right, so yeah, I assume so, since it's like that, otherwise it's just be like a broken ass game for everyone, but yeah, so you've been spending more time with Civ these days than I get to. >> Man, like, I mean, it's, it's just like I said earlier, it's all, it's my go, it's become my go to game, like I love the fuck out of, since it's- >> This Jodie roller eyes, out of it, yeah. >> She loves it, because it's like, because of the music, because it's basically sort of like you have an NPR on all day, and it's just sort of, you know, like classical, very calm music. >> Do the other expansions, do they still use Leonard Nimoy's voice? >> They have, so they will use Leonard Nimoy's voice for all the stuff that, you know, he would say, but they do have new, new people narrating, new quotes. And for the future stuff, some of it's taken, like, out of, like, science fiction books, like, shit, I can't think of any off the top of my head right now, but- >> Fair enough. >> Yeah. >> What else you've been, what else you've been getting down on? >> Yeah, yeah, so I've been getting on a few other games, we saw Wet today. >> Yeah, we should save that. >> Save it. Why? >> Well, I mean, tell us about the other stuff you've been playing, and then you can close out with Wet, and we can talk about it. >> What else have I been playing? >> What else have you been playing? >> Right. >> Mm-hmm. >> Do you play any more Shadow Complex? >> Yeah, yeah, I'm getting very close to the end of that. And it's, I don't know, it's fantastic, you know, I can talk a lot more about it now, I guess, but- >> Have you found the intolerance, Ken? >> You can top in the Rainbow Doors. >> You can talk about all of it at this point. >> Right, considering it came out today, yeah. And so, yeah, it's really good, and the impression that I get from this game is that everybody wants a new Metroid, everybody wants a new Castlevania in the vein of the old ones, you know, because they were really well made. But I am of the opinion that if a new Metroid or a new Castlevania in the same vein as the old ones were made today, it would not have as many sort of new ideas as Alpha Protocol does. I mean, they do some really great stuff. >> Shadow Complex. Did I just say Alpha Protocol? >> Different generic sci-fi type name. >> Yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah, Shadow Complex. Like, I mean, they do really cool stuff like with mood lighting, you know, like they're scenes where, you know, where you're going through the enemy barracks and the backgrounds lit red and you're this like black silhouette, you know, badass, like really cool. For me, it's a lot of presentation things. I think Shadow Complex, you know, pulls off that, you know, I couldn't see a Castlevania or a Metroid. Like, in some examples I can think of is like when you're climbing through the rafters over some guards and they're having like chatter and, you know, it might be some fourth wall kind of stuff like there. They realize they're just done, you know, fodder guards, you know, just, you know, great stuff like that. And yeah, it's a good game. I don't know. Just anybody, you know, if you've never played those metroids and you're the type of gamer you always hear people praise in these games, like this is, this is the one to try. >> I've heard nothing but good things, so. >> Yeah, it's fucking rad. The only thing I would have to say is I feel like the beginning of the game was a little slow in terms of getting you the different pieces of equipment, that it's sort of the back end is loaded with all your technology. >> It's snowballs. >> Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, you're just kind of, you know, you're dude with a pistol and a flashlight for a good chunk of the beat, which is not bad. >> That's a typical thing for the type of game though too. >> Yeah. >> It's been quite a bit in Metroid and then you get your rocket and then for a long time it's just like you and your rocket. >> Yeah, yeah. Well, it's exactly like that in a shadow complex, except it's you and your grenades and, you know, so, I mean, stuff like that is, you know, it's great. And then, you know, like the phone gun, like, I don't, I didn't play any of the metroids for Game Boy Advance. >> They never had anything quite like that, though. >> I mean, there is the ice gun. >> But you couldn't, you couldn't, you could like freeze enemies and use them as jumpable terrain, but like not quite like the phone gun, where you're like making like stairs for yourself, essentially and stuff. >> Yeah, I mean, I mean, stuff like that's real cool and it just, and it totally tweaks just man, it's tweaks that flashback part of my memory with gaming that I love in side scrolling. It's good. Oh, after a remark. >> Sorry. >> I was making sure that all the switches were hit. >> Anyways, those that that's pretty much it for you since last weeks. >> Well, other than wet and another thing I can talk about is, I tried out the champions online beta. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You were downloading that. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, when, when do those games get fun? >> I don't know. It's the champion. >> Oh. >> Is the champions online beta? Are we allowed to talk about that? I don't know. I mean, it's a public beta. Is it a public beta? >> What, it's a, it's signups. >> Yeah. >> Like it's not. I don't know. I don't think it's open yet. >> I mean, I clicked a bunch of things. I might have clicked an NDA. >> Yeah, you should probably read that next time or scan it. >> But let's go on to your thing about when they get fun. I mean, a lot of times it comes down to the type of person you are when you play these games because all MMOs, especially in the early levels, and especially if it's your first one can feel like a serious grind, like. >> Warcraft is actually one of the few that bucked that trend. It's pretty immediately gratifying. >> Yeah, like Warcraft, I mean, I'm sure that I would be surprised if champions didn't do this too, because it's become like the standard thing for MMO, but you'll get to like level three within the first hour of playing. I mean, because they want people that like, it's only until you hit like level 15. Is it like all of a sudden like where you're like maybe not going to level in a session of play? What was it like about like, you know, not necessarily champions specifically, but maybe like that MMO mind that kind of. >> Yeah. So it might have been just the fact that I was in the quote unquote tutorial level. You know, and so it starts you off in the city, you know, metropolitan downtown area, and you know, there's like this alien invasion, and they're like, all right, go destroy three pods and come back. >> Yeah. That's pretty standard. >> Right. >> MMO tropes. >> So I run to where like all the enemies are, and they're like, he's really kind of, I don't know, cheesy, really cheesy looking guys, like with big giant, it's like basically human bodies with giant bug heads and like 1950s bug eyes. >> I mean, it's a, I, champions online as a comic book. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I understand that. So you know, I don't want to stay on that too much, but okay, so like, you know, I go and I kill three of these guys and I go back and they're like, no, you need to kill three pods. And I'm like, what the fuck? Where are these pods? And it was like, when you killed a pod, did it pop up until you like one pod killed? >> I don't even know what a pod is. I killed a bunch of the enemies. >> But there wasn't like Mac, like anything like indicating like in the quest line, like head south east pods will be. >> Well, yeah, yeah, it told me where to go and like basically where, you know, the section of the town was like one block away word. >> I got to imagine pods look like, you know, like alien eggs. >> That's what I was looking out for them. I didn't see any, but I mean, just weird things like maybe I, maybe I'm expecting too much out of the MMO, but like stuff, you know, I don't know if this is what you would call an instance, but like, you can also save survivors. So like, there's the survivor trapped under an ambulance. And there's about eight, you know, six or eight enemies around them. So I'll go and I'll kill them. And then like I walk over to kind of get the context sensitive thing, you know, to like try and lift the ambulance. But like before I do that, those enemies reappear, like they just fade right back, like they spawn right back in. It's like, wow, I didn't even have a chance to hit, you know, that for V or whatever the key was. >> That sounds like a problem with the respond timers. Like this sounds like a bug. >> Okay. >> Because every game will almost, I mean, inevitably have respond timers. But usually they're, if it's well done, they're planned around the idea of like people need X amount of time in all likelihood to get it out of here and in and out, you know, but games have been trying to balance that for forever since EverQuest, because like EverQuest on the other hand, had respond timers sometimes that were like horribly long, like someone would roll in. That's why they're invented instances to where if there was no respond timer, it didn't really matter. Are there can not look more bored right now? >> Right. But I mean, that's, I mean, some of the things that I'm just trying to put myself in the mindset of Tyler playing this game is all. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, you know, I gave it a good shot and like I could see the, you know, I'm going to keep playing, you know, >> I mean, honestly, I think with MMOs in my opinion, those you need to get it. It's something you need to do with friends. >> Yeah. >> That's about the same thing. It's about the people you're playing with a lot of times. >> Because a lot of times it's kind of like almost just doing an interactive chat room for me. A lot of times like I do with friends, especially now that I don't see that often. So we spend, you know, so much of a does auto attack and pushing a few keys. >> I mean, we're with the MMO part of the MMORPG stands for Tyler. >> Right. So I mean, we just, you know, that's like the biggest thing is having like a group being in a clan, having like a core group of people you play with playing by yourself. Yeah. I can see that being kind of lonely. >> I mean, you can probably find some listeners if they're listeners out there that are in the chart. >> That are in the beta. >> Yeah. I know Phillip is in it and we're supposed to play together or so anything else? >> Wet. >> Wet. >> Wet. >> What I was thinking about earlier when we were talking about Wet was for a game with such like a powerful female character that like commands respect and stuff. She spends a lot of time on her knees. >> This is true. >> Because anytime you want to kill anything in wet. >> That's like I either have to jump or press B, which goes to a knee slide. >> I was always knee sliding. Like I hardly ever jumped. But jumping is nice because when you are knee sliding in that game and you hit a table, you just like continue the slide, except you're sitting behind the table the whole time. So you're still stuck in another three seconds of slide where she's just like sliding in place. >> Yeah. I mean, there was one section where you had to do the slide and that allows you to target two. >> Yeah. I thought I hit the switch. >> Yeah. Yeah. So you had to like shoot the two switches and I would slide into the door before the door raised. >> And still discontinue the slide. >> So I was just standing there. I was sitting there on my knees. And then as soon as the door lifted up, like I slid under, you know, like as if there was like an invisible conveyor belt under me, I was like, well, it's like, there's a ghost behind you pushing you. >> Yeah. So for people that don't know, what is the next game being published by Bethesda? It was originally, I guess, started off as a Sierra game. And then we'll see. >> Well, it's developed by A2M. >> But I'm saying Sierra was originally the one with it. And then when it got back by Activision, it was one of the several games that just -- >> It got orphaned. >> And as Bethesda's moved to become a publisher before they announced they were buying it, that's one of the games they picked up. >> You know, the way I described it earlier is it kind of reminds me of a stranglehold and the club mixed together because the club kind of was all about stringing together kills for combo points and stuff. And in this game, it's very much the same thing. You string together kills and that's how you gain life back, you gain X-men life based on how badass what you just did was how awesome of an acrobatic. But then mix it in with like a Tony Hawk kind of like stringing together of environmental moves to do better with those kills. >> And all done in a presentation style that is like someone desperately trying to be like a Tarantino movie. >> Like Kill Bill. >> With like the zoomed up intros and the art in the background and the weird rockin' music. >> Well actually rockin' music. >> Yeah, the music was really good. And did you just notice the list of bands that they had in the reading credits? >> It was like fucking two pages long. >> Yeah, and there were a lot of pretty obscure rockabilly bands. >> That's what I'm saying. I appreciate that and I appreciate like even at times the film grain stuff they did. >> Yeah. >> But some of that film presentation stuff just feels like I guess contrived in a way. >> It's extremely contrived. I mean pretty much everything narratively speaking just feels contrived like the story and the characters. It's obvious that they wanted it to be over the top and vulgar and exploitative but it's like they don't get where that line is between fun sort of campy exploitative. Like House of the Dead overkill actually straddled the line of funny exploitative pretty well. >> In a good way. >> And this does not. >> Yeah, 'cause it's funny to say it in a way but it's almost like what Arthur is saying and what I agree with is like subtle exploitation. If you can do such a thing. It's like this one is just like look how fucking cool what we do is. >> Grindhouse is actually a good example of the two different kinds of exploitation. Planet Terror is an example of completely over the top shocking all the time sex and violence exploitation whereas Death Proof is more of a subtle character study with moments of complete shock and gore and the sort of girls and peril or girls being preyed upon by the lone stranger kind of thing. And those are both exploitation but they show that it can be done in different ways and this doesn't seem to really get like ways in which exploitation as a sort of genre could be used. >> See I'm more of in the middle ground here like I feel I feel in a way a lot of what what has going for it is it's the presentation, I mean you know I think it has a unique kind of look the graphics aren't that great but what they the way they present them and you know the filters they sort of run the way they blur the background the way they do. I feel like it's okay and some of the things that I really like is when you know you sort of brought into a almost Tony Hawk skate park like area and guys. >> The Tony Hawk with monster closets and guns. >> Yeah, yeah and guys kind of you know enemies spill out of the windows very much like a kung fu hustle and I feel like in those areas it's really successful because the music kicks in. >> Yeah although I had a little trouble myself at first figuring out that I couldn't shoot those to get it closed especially the first one where they appear above the doors. >> So the way I was like whoa why can't I blow up the door or am I supposed to be using something like that but it was like. >> So the way these work is you'll go into this sort of arena area and every door will close and it'll be sort of a playground for you to use wall runs and slides and jumps and there will be these skull and crossbones with swords like in different areas of the level that you need to destroy to close the door or a window or whatever where enemies are coming through otherwise they'll just keep coming. >> And I kind of felt like during the time that we played this is a game that kind of suffers at times from the same thing that maybe Perfect Dark did where it's not like it's like they didn't make things obvious enough what you're supposed to do or where to go to the point where they like it like in Dead Space there were times you might get lost and that but the thing you had that was optional was really optional like even if you kind of got lost it was never enough to find a ground yeah but and it's all a part of the way in this game like you very much have to do like where you hold the left bumper or the L1 button and you have to like be like can I make it to that ledge? >> Oh yeah so this is something that wasn't in Wet Before that they added which is the Ruby vision Ruby is the character you hold down the left trigger and it shows you like a red glow on surfaces that you can interact with my bigger problem is I mean both in arenas and in general it's a in a lot of places just hard to figure out where the fuck you're supposed to go. >> They do a lot of they do a lot of weird stuff like throw you into a room and then open up a door behind you or stuff or you know where. >> Or they expect you to realize that where you saw the cut scene happen before is where you need to go not acknowledging the fact that there's like a ton of stuff between you and there and none of it's familiar and it's all blocking your view. >> Right like there's multiple times I leaned over to ask Arthur like where do I go? >> Because I can fucking tell you. >> I was just lost and yes and so the other thing the Ruby vision like I can't even imagine having played the game before that was there because I mean not only Arthur and I but I know you said same to other like we're just falling to our deaths all the times would be like oh I think I can make this it looks like I should jump off here. No if you didn't quite make. >> Yeah this is something that I haven't heard much about and that I didn't see covered in the definitely wasn't in the demonstration I saw before as there's a lot of platforming in this that wasn't present before and a lot of it is instant death platforming where if you fuck up then you're dead and the checkpoints are not generous. >> And not only that it'd be like one thing if it was like instant dead but it reloaded like in five seconds but every time you die it does like this like dying slowly screen. >> And then the burning peeling film filter thing and then then loads and it's like it's like all those it's like it's like one thing like when you die like in a game like infamous and it basically loads like again or it's like you know even Prince of Persia which made it maybe arguably too easy where it's just like you can come back and I'm just saying like this game tries to do like Prince of Persia style you will die instantly but with no sense of time and a lot of loading in between deaths. >> It's so much stuff in this game is all about look at our stuff look at all the cool stuff we did look at how it look at how much like an exploitation maybe this is look at how extreme this is look at how fucking totally crazy this is like the fact that there's a cutscene every time you drink like you get wet health from whiskey and there's a giant ass cutscene that you can skip but still it's a and it's all kind of like the requiem for a dream like when they pop pills like it's like really fast cuts. >> Yeah. >> You know yeah. But I mean that that being said like I saw a lot of promise with the mechanics the thing that I did not like the most about the game play specifically was that you couldn't interrupt things like your knee slide your knee slide would go for like four seconds would you say about four to three. >> If you stop shooting and hit jump it usually break out. >> Oh really like another thing that annoyed me in the similar vein is like okay in that first area I don't know if you guys remember I think it was the first day maybe not there was like this part where there's the stairway that goes up it breaks off there's a gap and then there's like a hallway in the other side so I went to jump it and a guy comes running across as you're jumping so I started shooting him but if you continue to shoot she won't grab the ledge and then she'll just keep shooting and fall to her bed so you have to think like to yourself like stop shooting so I can grab the ledge now go up it's like that's like one of those things. >> It's very it's very everything is predetermined you have to go on a specific path to get anywhere they don't let you use your abilities to to get through the level in a way that they didn't plan for something else we didn't see it all this time we play I mean we played for like a good hour hour and a half right is there were no rage moments like those parts where the screen goes out like I would hear stuff about that in previous there's I'm sure there's video of it online and it's always been like the stuff that people were like that's the coolest looking thing about that game and they really cut it out like I I played through the entire first chapter in a good part of like set level eight and I know that you played through a good part of the Hong Kong section and level 10 yeah I beat it did you beat it did you get to the end of the level or did you just finish that arena I got somewhere it low it did like the oh and then it said and now it's going to crash yeah we did like a loading screen so I mean it was weird that wasn't there but I don't I don't I think I'm Anthony and I are in disagreement on that I actually I think that there are things there to recommend wet the combat is definitely it does things differently than pretty much any other action game so far this gen like in the way that you chain moves together and you have the whole combo meter system and and the way that it's presented does it in a way that I haven't seen any other game do this generation like stranglehold has slow motion but it's slow motion that's on a timer and you have to be very careful when you use it there is this it's just slow motion all the time and it's less about oh well we only want to give you a tiny bit so you don't abuse it in this it's you should be doing tricks all the time it should be in slow motion all the time there should never be a point where you're just running and shooting yeah and I guess the part of that that I don't like as opposed to like with stranglehold is that the tricks you're doing a lot of times are just knee sliding and jumping and sometimes swinging between rails but in stranglehold and stranglehold you did you know you just did this I mean I guess it's because I'm a John Woo movie fan right so you did the stupid shit like run up hand rails and all kinds of dumb crap like that or you know ride on fucking food cars I mean for me after I got the hang of the controls I was definitely I would run along a wall and shoot which would be in slow motion I did that occasionally then I would jump off the wall and shoot which was in slow motion then I as I landed if you if you tap the B button while you're in the air she will slide as soon as she hits the ground you know I guess the other part didn't I said like about is that everything is done in slow motion and a stranglehold a lot of the games not like that I mean it's I it would be unmanageable oh exactly because they the standard aiming and what in my opinion sucks it's like best when it's the guys are moving slow if you can hit them because it's a little too fast at times and then the auto aim is nice too because then you can she automatically aims at one enemy and then you can theoretically aim with your second it's much more about putting yourself in a position to do badass moves and kill people then how well you're aiming or or any of that it's just managing an environment and managing a group of people more than it's a shooter in a lot of ways and strangle like just tried to tell like a standard kind of like action movie John Wu hero story but this game is like telling like from all things I can see it is like again the whole exploitation movie thing just taken to a level that I can't go under retirement that's pulled out of retirement like that does like bounty work and secret ops that wasn't obviously she was in the military because it fucking dwells on those dog tags on her neck and some of the cinemas and I mean we didn't really get to see much of the story nope but we get to hear lots of potentially sensitive racial stereotypes yeah try my secret sauce or like the other Asian guys that were made might as well been yelling out priest you in bed trouble yeah just like oh man yeah no who fucked who are the yeah who are these guys that kept on coming at me with baseball bats after like they did they just see that when I wasn't shooting their friends I was cutting them up with swords right mind they just like here's some fucking bats I mean that didn't break my suspension disbelief for everything else that right you never running out of ammo in my mind that wet could really need is just you know I still stand by the fact that it just feels like a game that destructible trained would make such a big difference like strangle hold wasn't the prettiest game either but it was rad when you'd enter a room and you did have like those classic action movie moments were fucking all the parts of the tables are like going Ghostbusters blowing up everywhere and stuff differences they had the ps3 version and the 360 version on display there which is kind of that's unusual it was hard for me to tell differences though because there were some some slight performance I accidentally turned on the debug moment on on the ps3 version and I mean it didn't seem as stable I mean only playing the stable I had no problems stability like the only reason you saw the graphical thing you know I mean like you got to the end of that level in the game crash like well I think that was part of I think that was part of the build it might have been the same of the 360 - yeah I mean I was like the only person he put on that level so I don't know why that was but uh you were the only one playing the ps3 version only playing the ps3 version no I didn't notice any of the performance things because I know comparison I mean there are basic differences in the default ways of the two consoles output images like the ps3 is a softer picture and the 360 is a much sharper picture on those TVs which I'm assuming are set up the same the ps3 version I thought the image quality looked better because on the 360 versions that we were looking at it's like someone took the unsharp mask on Photoshop and blew it way out like everything looked jagged like there were weird white edges and color issues everywhere on the one I was playing where it looked jagged too like I remember it does some shot at one point I think right before the car level starts and the car level I looked at it and it looked straight up like an octagon like you know you could see very clear like lines like this looked like a wheel that you would bounce a lot on and uh you know there's another time with a guy with a round hat that it looked again like I mean some aliasing issues I'm not I expect but it definitely it looked even in the the 2D the drawn or painted style scenes it just looked like it had someone had just gotten way overboard with Photoshop filters yeah this is a movie where I feel like they should have gotten a cheap voice actor or a game they should have gotten a cheap voice actor I mean they did and then used and then used the budget they had a lot of douche go on there yeah but that was the only big name it's like other than that it's like Alan Cummings I'm just saying they do anything they shouldn't have had any big people and spent that money on development time and they also had the the guy that played the main antagonist and payback as a character that dies in the first level yeah I don't know so far what not a terrible game but I really like I was saying in the car on the way back to your office after playing it I just it's another game that makes me think that publishers really need to just bite down and adapt a more scalable model as far as pricing like it should come out like what didn't their defense force came out at 40 but no publisher wants to say oh well we're a $40 game unless they're specifically releasing budget titles that they don't want people to review yeah I mean if this was releasing at a budget quote price of $40 they'd be allowed to recommend it yeah like you would all you'd say well it's really campy and silly and like it can be frustrating as hell but there are some cool moments and see I still say that but I know for a fact that'll that'll be a game that I will never play through completion unless it's for review like I just with the games constantly coming out in the mouth that are coming out that'll be a game there's no reason that I would find time in my life see where's where's I like I really like character action games and I love character action games but I'm just saying that what but I'd say that that I am like more of an aficionado of that sort of sub-genre of action games than you are like what what is a character like Ninja Gaiden and double my crowd I guess you can call this character action games although I'd say that both the character and fucking Ninja Gaiden and double my crowd have about as much personality as my job all right well whatever well that is made um it's a there's not a lot of competition in that genre this fall like there's not a lot of games like that coming out and it comes out on September 15th which means that it is after Batman like far enough away that most people who buy Batman will have finished it yeah but does it seem like before halo I was gonna say I mean it doesn't really seem it has much in common with Ninja Gaiden or no I see I though I agree you're not I kind of see where she's saying our throws in terms of how they're related but but for me the question more is why would I want to play an action game that's sort of forcing me into slow motion every time I want to be effective I don't feel like it's forcing me into slow I just feel like like that's it's gameplay thing it's like why am I gonna play Ninja Gaiden when it forces me to use a sword right right I mean we'll take in you have a semantics hell of quote unquote force but like just that uh I mean to defeat an arena of guys you have to use slow motion the entire guy the only the entire time yeah but I just I feel like the slow mo doesn't make it less exciting when you're like wall when you're wall running then you jump and like collide with a bar that you then swing over and as you're in the air you're like shooting in 17 different directions and you connect with another bar and jump off that and shoot in 17 different directions I mean there's just so much that goes on like during some of those extended sequences that it doesn't feel slow it feels like you have time to do things but it doesn't feel like a slow game yeah I guess maybe it seemed like like playing the later levels where they auto bumped you with experience and stuff to upgrade your abilities it was more fun than to like the first level where your gun shoots relatively slow and you know you can't take as much damage you don't have access to machine guns or shotguns like those later levels were a lot more interesting when you had all those things to play around with too I just feel like the combat clicked with me really early and I enjoyed it but there's still I mean that again I sound like I'm the one that's championing this game but it's there are a lot of issues with it and I mean the build that we were playing was essentially reviewable right because print hasn't already and review code should be going out next week for for online yeah mmm what are you been playing other than wet today more brothers and arms I think I'm almost the end or like two thirds of the way through are you on hell's highway no I'm at the night mission where everything is on fire after they bombed on hovin yeah I think I mean you'll know you're close to end when you actually get on hell's highway yeah again I everything I said last time still applies like it's still most competent when it's it puts you in these sort of combat scenarios where you have to lead your guys and and sort of deal with it as opposed to the solo first person shooter segment although the sniper part was pretty fun where you're protecting the kid I don't remember this like it's in the train yard and so you're you're you're in the industrial area of einhovin I think it's einhovin and you take it you like you you go up this building and secure this building and then you get to the roof and there's a sniper that's picking off people and you kill him and take his rifle and you look down and you see the child of the the Dutch their Dutch of the Dutch resistance person that helped you before who's who's gave his son a gun and you look down and you see his son like cap some dude and run away and then a bunch of Germans chasing after him yes and you have to snipe a bunch of dudes like to protect him and that whole sequence is actually really fun and a lot of times a lot of World War II games with sniper rifles I feel like they feel the need to to really put a lot of sort of caveats and limitations on a sniper rifle to make it much more of a difficult decision to use like what just that it it moves really slowly and that it takes forever to reload and that if you when you miss or if you shoot like it just jerks up and you have to completely re-center your shot and it just it feels like that single shot power is there but for any extended period of time it's it's a weapon that you really have to make a tough choice to use and it doesn't feel that way and it's like sniping and kills on to sniping and gears of war to just like shooters just really want to make sniper rifles difficult well I mean because a multiplayer if they weren't I guess it could potentially be like that's all anyone would ever do so but it feels it manages to feel fun without feeling overpowered but and plus anywhere you hit them with the sniper rifle in that game they die right does it rip it rips limbs off doesn't it times I don't think I've ever shot anybody in the limb usually it's like like lower stomach around the organs chest or head that I shoot him I definitely like have blown people apart with grenades and tanks and stuff like that and the tank sequence immediately follows the sniper sequence so that's a good section of palette cleansing is there yeah I mean I guess I just totally forgot that game like I remember getting on tanks to do machine gun stuff immediately after the sniper part the the Scottish tank dude comes in and you take control of him and it's tank and you have to take out the 88 and you are driving the tank yes man I just I do not remember this at all were you did you did you try to like push away through it when you played it no I mean I I play writing a guy or just writing the review I just writing the review but I don't know I guess I just forgot most of that right after I played it yeah I I mean a lot of the the combat situation sort of blend together I remember when they were showing an early trailer of the game and I guess it was supposed to be actual gameplay footage and maybe you were you remember the same one where you know you're sort of sneaking around a barn and he shoots a Nazi guy through the like laundry that's hanging yeah but like because the the people in the house like point down yeah there you go that's what they they've just stuff like that happened I haven't seen that but I mean like the cover is destructible you can totally shoot Nazis when they don't see you there's not a lot in the that you saw on trailers and stuff that isn't in the game and I mean a lot of the stuff you saw and some of the lead up to it is still there like one of the things I was really concerned with seeing the extended gameplay stuff was frame rate and of course that was before I knew that it was on your engine and then but uh everyone's breath talking for whatever reason do you know what I mean by that no just for people today it's where we talk like this everyone starts talking like they're not even very much oxygen right sorry it just makes the levels go way down it's fine we'll fix it in post but uh so yeah I mean the one of the things I really liked about that game was that like uh you know having those really cool moments where you'd tell your guys like not to shoot and you'd have like those moments that there'd be a bunch of dudes like standing around talking you have your machine gun set up have your fire team set up and then you'd be like fucking do it no don't have it yeah and they'd all just go running especially when you have a machine gun set up because it gets pretty brutal I just wish it was a little easier to tell when people were in appropriate spots to actually do the suppression or or abilities that they have sometimes you have an RPG team and you just cannot for the life of your figure out where you can put them where they can actually hit a fucking MG42 nest in the distance with it but um it's good I'll probably try to finish it um also playing Wolfenstein which is uh about the exact opposite on the World War II game scale it's I mean it's it's just Wolfenstein with some some open world elements which sounds really weird and so far it just seems totally superfluous and pointless open world like the darkness kind of like the way they did it or or not really kind of actually that is that's a good way to put it it is very similar to the darkness in that respect but the darkness everything was open world and there were it was very like when you were going on missions to kill people even that was still despite part of an open world system okay whereas this is you you have an open world hub sort of system um and then you go into levels and go back to the hub world um and yeah that's it just seems totally pointless because it's a linear game and there's no I don't see a reason to go back to this hub system and that's not what people were buying Wolfenstein for especially at this point and you know if people were buying Wolfenstein they're buying it for the multiplayer or for a semi mindless shoot them up in the vein of Wolfenstein and Doom and in that respect it it succeeds like it is a totally balls out sort of adrenaline junkie type shooting game like more so than Call of Duty or anything else like that that's come out over the last couple of years more so than Quake was um Quake 4 specifically um out of the the id games that have used this engine it feels the most like it's its counterparts from last generations of games and that's good it's fun um it looks dated in a lot of spots but it's more colorful than any other game for using this engine is it uses the Doom 3 engine um and there's a lot of really interesting physics shit that happens with the veil energy and whatever but um yeah yeah like I noticed uh there's always uh you know when the veil energy kicks up and everything sort of like goes zero gravity like there's so much debris floating around yeah well you'll like blow up these tanker these tanks of veil energy that you can use to refill your powers and it'll just blow up and everything will go zero g around it for a while and there'll be all this debris and people spinning around in it like there's an achievement for shooting guys that are caught in the gravity field um like fishing a barrel or something yeah fishing a barrel is the name of the achieve them and not season a barrel um and it's just I don't know I mean it's it's probably good that it's coming out in August because any other time of of year and it would be hard to recommend it but it's a good yeah sort of mindless shooter I don't know how long it is it's probably like 10 or 12 hours yeah I don't know and it's got multiplayer but and like I could I could totally picture scenarios where this holiday season you know people are going to go to the store looking for a Christmas gift and uh there's not gonna be a whole lot of competition you know and they might see Wolfenstein oh there's not a chance in hell you'll see a new copy of Wolfenstein on the GameStop shelf by December you don't think so no it's just uh Best Buy I think you'll be lucky to find it in October or November yeah yeah maybe there's too much new product and two other huge shooters on 360 it came out on PS3 too didn't it yeah I just I just think maybe though that they might ship more of it or keep some of it by Christmas I mean I I don't think activation is gonna have anything on the shelves distract from Call of Duty 4 yeah I could say yeah I mean that any that's a point but like I I have a feeling that Wolfenstein might surprise us the way UFC surprised some people but selling so well but I kind of realized that game has been so on and to me it seems like Wolfenstein is gonna sell well too yeah I'm a surprise if it's in the top 10 and I just don't see why Activision would necessarily shoot themselves in the foot with one of their IPs the way you're saying I mean Call of Duty is gonna sell no matter what I mean Wolfenstein if there's new product doesn't take away from Call of Duty pushing Wolfenstein very hard I know but I'm just saying that I don't know man because like I watch the daily show and I watch cold air report pretty much every day on Hulu and for the last two weeks the Wolfenstein ad is the ad for both of those shows I mean that's that I mean that's a pretty big ad space like as far as magazine space goes and like buzz online there's just I didn't even know Wolfenstein had come out yeah that's true you mean magazine space is in game and former well game and former and yeah actually that's a good point I mean that's a sad point but it's a good point yeah I and also it's been stipulated that this is also one of the reasons that it was okay with being acquired by Bethesda is because they had their whereas previously they were activism vision shooter house now they are competing with Activision owned property with the publisher and so Activision doesn't see as much point in pushing Wolfenstein or other properties and I mean if if I were Activision and Wolfenstein was done and we already written it off is whatever it was and expected to sell a certain number of copies of very little ad push into it why should I promote something that's going to someone else because this is the last id game on an Activision label this is the last id game that Raven is ever going to develop that's true and why would Activision push stuff onto shelves like as a shooter when Call of Duty 4 is coming out I don't know because they still get the money from it too and they have no pushing money though they don't get they don't get I just I just don't feel like you could they Activision could put four shooters out all next to Call of Duty and it doesn't matter in the long run I guess no but it would waste their money like pushing for shelf space with GameStop like giving them special deals on product because I mean I'm but but what you're insinuating those that they're not even going to push press discs after like very soon because that's why we won't see any new copies no I I just think that though there will be I mean a lot of companies don't press discs after the initial shipment like they should they press a number of discs they keep it in the warehouse and then they ship over time I mean hell I went to games not looking for dead space what like eight months after it came out they didn't have a new copy only I mean sometimes it's hard to find a game a game stop like a month later and that's in like June much less yeah it happened Christmas yeah and I could see that being a GameStop tactic though of not carrying new product exactly so I mean and I imagine that there will be plenty of used copies of Wolfenstein on the shelves while while when people traded in or sell it for Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 uh-huh um but uh uh and in in the non-shooter realm I've been I've actually put like four or five hours into Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner for DS um I have never played a Shin Megami game I always thought that they seem interesting like that the way they did Japanese RPGs in modern settings um but I never really got into it uh and I'm enjoying it a lot and I can already tell that I'm not gonna finish it because it is a very old school when the respect that grinding is required um I I don't like it when I'm forced to grind to advance in a game I like having the option to if I want to become super powerful make things easier for it but I literally had to go back to the same battle like six times and redo it before I could overcome the next story mission after dying on that story mission like three times and that is not I mean the battle system is is fun and and it works pretty well and there's a lot of depth to it and there's a lot of variety because basically you collect monsters that you can summon in and switch out and they have different abilities and essentially you have a party of you have right now I have three characters and each of them can summon two monsters so it's a total of nine people so like Pokemon kind of um and they summon their demons through comps which are fucking DS's um but and all that's fine but the grinding is what's gonna keep me from finishing it I can tell because I have to grind six times for what is essentially the first boss battle then I just need to be fucking hating life 10 hours that always been a problem for you with RPGs like that um it depends on the RPG like there are certain there are certain Japanese RPG series that I've enjoyed in the past that didn't require it like the grandia games didn't really require a lot of grinding like grandia too on Dreamcast is a lot of fun and I didn't have to grind on that um but uh BI just man the grinding drives me insane but if you're I mean the presentation is really slick the story is fun so far and interesting like it takes place in modern day Tokyo and there's a blackout and there are demons that are being summoned and everyone in this area that's quarantined off have these numbers above their head that are the number of days until they die and so the highest number that they see anyone have is a six so they know that there's going to be this cataclysmic event in six days and they get emails from the future on their comps it's very Japanese but not in a bad way wicked um and the characters are like the dialogue is actually really good and it's current without seeming sort of kitschy or overly self-aware um and it's the first thing that's caused me to have my DS on for any extended period of time since Game Club CX or whatever game center that retro game selection game center yeah so i'm about shadow complex though um is that it for you it's four games well yeah i mean man there's a part in shadow complex where i felt like it was even channeling uh like a Sonic the Hedgehog type game all your childhood memories rolled up together in this game seriously Anthony came up with a good a good new term for the Metroid Castlevania i don't even remember it now really no i do instead of Metroidvania which Ryan's got naysayed for no particular reason Anthony came up with castroid because and then the that that makes sense because the Metroidvania thing is like to give you all these powers right at the beginning and then they take them away so like i've been castroided yeah that was really brilliant Anthony but you didn't that was a that was a yeah Anthony forgets all his best material yeah that's why i try and fucking repeat it my mind over and over again you need to carry around a little notebook like comedians do um i just write it on yourself like the guy momento i've been playing so this last week that i can't talk about like borderlands that'll be for the future uh legends the future or weirdly good legend you need to start you need to start spending time with games that you can talk about on the show yeah that would be nice if i was if that happened i mean i did also zip up your fly i did see uh in my own house i did see uh i guess we're lucky he's wearing pants i did see fairy tale fights was a game that i saw that i couldn't talk about last week and now i can the super gory child murdering animated right so you play as like one of like four i think fairy tale characters like the guy in the dream coat and or you play like uh as little red riding hood and so the way it works is it's kind of like a cross it's like kind of like a castle crasher style game we're going through environments but in a lot of ways it'll remind you more of like lego indiana jones what does this all have and die 360 ps3 i think is it a downloadable game no it's a full retail game and so it's like got sell shit shade cell graphics and uh you know it's and it's it is ridiculously gory it's like the first game in there if they're they're right he said he believes it is i'm sure it probably is with like a actual like dynamic slicing so what that means is like when you cut up someone if you like take a swing that only cuts like the top inch of their head you'll cut off the top inch of their head that's right and so and so whenever you kill someone it goes into like a picture in picture and shows like a a small picture of like you what parts your body they're chopping off so you could like if you're slicing load just like sit there and cut off their feet then their knees stuff like that little like red slices of a person at a time and then afterwards blood goes everywhere and you can and when your guy runs through the blood they naturally start like surfing on it and so and you can surf and try and draw really long blood trails there's achievements for drying out really long blood trails and like uh i remember when we went to like uh the house the gingerbread house and all these children were in there eating it getting fat they get fatter as you see them like it you can definitely kill them like you can rescue them or you can just fucking kill them when you see them just and so yeah like this game kills children so how about them apples which is a total no no for most games most games of children will knowledge you attack them or interact with them in a violent way whatsoever yeah you can definitely murder them left or right in this game like the most the worst you can do to children and fall out is sell them into slavery and even then i think you can only trick them into going to the slaver camp i don't know that you can actually literally sell them right yeah i don't well you can later go back to the slaver camp and i think um what's the same who's who's working there the the main guy i killed him oh really he wasn't he wouldn't let me in so i kept him like they knew they knew as soon as i came up that i wasn't one of them and they started shooting me and i proceeded to blow everyone's heads off i played some more trials over the weekend tried the last level another 30 minutes and couldn't do it got to the same place and failed again so yeah that that last level in that game is fucking no joke nine two impossible yeah i i mean i can't even imagine beating it at this point yeah i mean stuff like that like totally brings me back to the early days of gaming where you know i had several games that i did not finish you know just because it was like skill could not pass i've been playing professor Layton in the diabolical box and uh can you talk about that yeah that's that is when nintendo sends out retail it's pretty much unembargo at that point so far it's good i mean if you like the old professor Layton it's still the same thing right i mean the case that you're trying to solve is just kind of like a backdrop for them to give you a bunch of puzzles and just you have to wander around and find them by clicking on everyone because everyone in this world like you'd go up and talk to someone and they're like oh well that's all the information i got but before you go you should help me with this puzzle and then you go into it or it'll be like you can't just walk away from me without helping me with this puzzle oh it seems like a nice person it's like the plot to a porn movie except everywhere where there's a puzzle you insert sex that's amazing right so you're probably the only person to like draw a connection between professor Layton and porn am i off your base though i mean no that's totally i know where the entire story is just a conceit for this one activity to occur professor Layton's another game that like nintendo's pushed surprisingly little like and then the first one did really well yeah and then i don't tv with like captain zeta jones selling professor Layton or somebody like that i don't know because the first one sold really well and then they didn't print anywhere copies for a long ass time then they printed a few more but even nowadays the way you'll find professor Layton the most stories is used like yeah i mean i've been in game stop several times looking for it they've never had it and i you know i've never even played the first one since not on Amazon well i'm sure it is but you know like randomly when i have you know i have money on edge card i had your game stop bucks yep my game bucks but um and we call it we caught shame stop car that's a good one i like that your stop bucks um isn't this one that's also getting a feature link animated film released with it maybe i mean even yeah i think so even though when you're in the game like all the dialogue almost almost every last line is is you know spoken and it has like really good animated scenes and stuff like that yeah like the animated things like watching a little cartoon it'll cut to those all the time so i mean it that and the voices don't sound like especially for a ds game they don't sound like horribly downgraded or metallic or anything like that um sort of muffled yeah so i'm gonna have been playing that and then uh you've been playing a ace attorney right yeah but man there ain't much to say about that that i haven't said in a lot every other week that i talked about because i've been playing that game for fucking ages upon ages turn off the lights play ace attorney master bate sleep no man i would not do that because then i would have to get up out of bed before i went to sleep you know i'm not going to sleep with my mess on me so i none more not more so than usual anyway so uh but i'm sorry so yeah so i you know i even really have been playing a whole lot lately unfortunately you can talk about well even uh i can talk about rage i mean but i didn't have to play that i just got to see it well tell us what you thought about rage what did they show you it's about quake con Anthony yes they just they just played like 30 minutes of it for us and like jesus christ you had to sit through 30 minutes of someone playing a game yeah but it was fine there was only me and steven tatillo and the developers in the room and so they ran us through a bunch of stuff from car combat to early combat to later combat you know and just showing us different things like the ability to like you see in the in the trailer maybe him like throw a boomerang and kill something like it looks like a boomerang it's like the little kid's boomerang and throw warrior and so you have to you have to make all that shit yourself like you can buy them from a store but you also find parts and when you get schematics these schematics teach you to use these parts to build items whether it's like turrets or robot cars that are bombs like stuff like that so scavenging and getting parts and construction is a big is a big part of it and uh and you know the car driving stuff is uh there are races and just like the races like in a traditional racing game like when you wreck and die you respawn it isn't like ultra realistic the point of the racing games is just to give you like a way to earn upgrades for your car to use in the wasteland when you're actually traveling around and uh you know one of the things that i asked that surprised me was that the game doesn't have any fast trouble you always have to drive everywhere but they said that like in a lot of games the reason they offer fast troubles because the world like is just open and big for the sake of being open and big and making you feel like you're exploring and kind of with rage their goal is to make it to where whenever you're driving somewhere the world is like dynamic enough and interesting enough that it's not just like here i am driving sort of like red faction in a lot of ways yeah or like you know and so it's not going to be like far cry right you know what came up this week is the red faction DLC it sure did and the week before was a pretty generous update but you know rage looks great it's it's weird because it took five it's like such a weird looking engine at times because some of the characters you see in monsters will be like like i was talking with metch engineer like they look at times like more photorealistic than a lot of other engines have done but then they'll be like against a background where it like things like painted at the same time it's weird like you'll see like a fence that almost looks like it's like cel shade but then a guy that looks like all realistic it's the most subtle engine that it has ever done as far as its graphical style yeah but uh it's just interesting i'm curious to see what it'll look like in person because it's it's the first engine where instead of sort of writing like the new generation of graphics software that john karmack said we are looking for something we can scale across platforms very easily for multi-platform development what were they showing it on 360 or pc or i mean it was being played out of a pc with a 360 controller so yeah i don't know i mean this sounds like a game i might want to play on pc yeah i mean it might be good although they said they designed the control scheme for the console right you believe the controller but i it'll probably i mean it'll look better on your pc i mean no doubt about it will it have achievements i don't know and now it's not going to be games from his life i don't think but 360 it is yeah that might be the pushing puncher from both the youth the both ease man are you i'm i'm i'm curious to know like in what form it will release on the different consoles because like the ps3 version they've talked about well we're having frame rate troubles that we're hoping to resolve as soon as possible yeah well that was like people doing early quotes and from the what i talked to those dudes that's not necessarily right so i mean and the 360 version now they're talking about i guess it's just came out today that they're saying that they might release a single player game on two discs and release multiplayer on a separate disc well that was i even mentioned that i think in the preview i wrote for it like last week well i mean my understanding was that it would be two discs one disc for single player and one disc no no single player for sure at this point that kind of is from what i understand is definitely going to have to be broken into two discs wow how do you do that with an open world uh well they even though it's an open world quote unquote like you drive around there's a very clear point where it's like you can't go back the story line is done up to that point so the world is on both discs per se but the story line everything before it is done so breaker um they're gonna have an auto phone i imagine that they're sure it's not as much content on each disc because you'd think like because they need to have the same assets and everything on both discs like for the general areas but i'm fine with that as long as i can install the game and have it and have it just not make me switch at all i mean right what matters is long as guy because i from what i understand when you switch to the second disc you're not going to go back that's the whole thing so once you switch disc it isn't like you have to sit there and think gotta get the first gotta get the second it's done second you're good that's it i mean there's talk that that might be a problem with final fantasy 13 so because they leave a big part of the world open that you might have to change discs if you go to a different section of the planet yeah i mean maybe a final fantasy will but from like i said in rage they said there's a very clear point like in the game even the way they're designing it there's the point where it's like if for them from what i just did it was like an obvious like this is where the disc split will be because it's like such a clear split in the game so when you go from angry progressivism to diehard libertarianism something like that um but i'm sorry yeah i mean it looks pretty good i mean i think it's it's obviously the best looking game they've ever done and for a totally new IP it totally is red i mean just when you like even like the different areas like a you would go in the town and do a quest there or you might go in the wasteland to kill some guys and then you might go meet up with a guy who's like a tv station owner in the future and he runs like the show called like mutant like mutant arena or something like that and he just like sends you in and it's kind of like like a uh like a like uh i can't think of the name of that movie but you just go in there and basically you fight for your life the running man for entertainment yeah like running man so you just go in there and you fight any room of mutants and it's got all this weird fucked up like circus type imagery music going on the whole time that kind of makes it just like feel like a totally separate game i'd be really curious to know what you have to say about the aesthetics and the game and everything if you had actually gone through fallout i mean i've seen tons of fallout having watched you played hours on end yeah but i mean there's a difference between seeing a few hours of fallout and playing 82 hours of fallout i mean i think it looks better than fallout but i mean but it that's for totally different reasons the world i don't think is as big as fallout and you know i mean but all the environments won't just be that canyon environment you see the whole time either i think i heard you you do end up traveling to cities and stuff like that and cities have a totally different vibes than because obviously the type of people that establish culture there are going to have a different type of culture living in busted out high-rise buildings than people like scavenging up pieces of scrap metal and constructing a desert town and stuff so yeah i mean it's great i have no doubt my mind it's going to be a great game even this early on like there are certain games you can see and tell and with the pedigree that that has i feel pretty confident that they will nail everything the car parts who knows i mean it's never it's never made a game that i didn't enjoy a lot so i've read um steven to till i was right up on katakku and i thought he asked a really smart question and maybe he was maybe you should tell me what that is because i have been reading katakku for the last week and a half um he asked you know since you know it you know they're known for doing shooters you know that's their big thing and now that they're doing this racing thing he asked the developers what's the headshot in the racing game like a big part of shooters is like the headshot that's like the touchdown that's like the the hole in one like what's the headshot for the shooting for for the racing parts and their answer was um when you can get a head head on collision with another car like that's a really badass moment but i wonder you know it's more like a headbutt than a headshot i feel yeah i wonder if that was maybe um yeah i don't know for me watching the combat the way it looked and seeing some of the weapons it seemed like for me the closer thing to that would be like killing someone who's chasing you with like a perfect back like some type of thing where you know they're coming up on you and you just like i mean i don't know they aren't they didn't really talk about a lot with the rear weapons they're going to be but they said you'd be able to fire up behind you i mean i can imagine something that could be equivalent for me is like shooting oil out of your car in election then in a memorial club yeah exactly you know it's just something where it's like they think they got you and then you turn it totally around in their face it's like such a good moment in any sort of racing game so uh was there anything else there that you got a chance to play or see no there was nothing else there that i got a chance to uh to play anyways i mean i actually saw a break again right i know i didn't even see break i just interviewed paul wedgewood so and that interview will be going up soonish on games by yeah and they showed that to the to the public i believe yeah they just showed the exact same demo from the three but this time does that all the net any works i want to check it out man i haven't i don't know if you're David Ellis is gushing about it on twitter oh he was oh god yeah man well a lot of people have been saying even you Anthony said it looks really good i mean brink is another game it's going to be really good i just i mean i hope they can pull off everything they want because like when you hear him describe the way that like the levels dynamically change based on what you're doing what your teammates are doing what objectives have been completed like just like these million little like things that are all supposed to go in determining like dynamically changing objectives for you based just on the class that you are you even if you change class they all change it's like it has a lot of shit to compute and actually have work in practice who's doing brink is that that's the same people it did the same people it didn't mean have wolfenstein and and we church our wolfenstein and quay course so but it's uh you know not the people that did yeah splash damage but you know not the people that did the three sixty port of quay course it's the people that did the original ones so i like their story i mean i wasn't a big fan of either quay course version but that could just be me well a lot of people were but even if you the interview i had with him he admits there's a lot of things they did wrong like i can't even remember the specific quotes at the moment but just things like that they made they really they like making people wait for certain things and stuff basically they've just learned a lot of the ways that you should be rewarding people constantly and constantly giving them objectives and the the wow model of game design and you know one of the things they said they've been learning over time is that you don't need a shit ton of classes like there doesn't need to be like eight different classes in the game there just needs to be the way that you pick a basic class and then you change loadouts like they said that that's all things they want to have customizable loadouts but you still pick like a class like there's only like three classes but there's a bunch of loadouts yeah so that's how bad company twos doing it differently and this game i believe they're gonna the whole point is that you can play the whole game with eight player co-op that's what they're going for so yeah and so this is a shit yeah like the i mean the you know it's like a heavily multi-player focused game like one of the cool things i think that they're really trying to push is um is like some of the things they're doing with like voice chat where you know you'll never join in a game and hear a bunch of people talking shit to you because you're only the people on your friends lists voices will be activated right and so the whole point is that when you enter into game you won't have like their goal is to make it to basically you never tell like hey i'm a i'm in a multiplayer game or not and the whole point of their dynamic like running system that's like you know will inevitably be compared in a way to mirror's edge where you just hold a button and look at where you want to go i asked them kind of where that stemmed from if that's like one like the crux of the game in a way and it didn't really seem like like it's important part of the game but it's not like they made a game that's about running they very much made a game that is still a shooter but he said he just got tired of playing games where like you know they give you the ability to jump but then eventually you come up to some table that just happens to come up to your waist and there are other times that there are walls that are programmed where you can hit A and climb them but this one it's like nope can't climb it and it's just like that's like the most frustrating thing for gamers so this one that's why you just invented this thing like look where you want to go and your guy will get there and you can break out of it at any time and it kind of like dynamically changes the animation if he's doing it like if he's climbing up a ladder and you break him off it's like he'll push off or something like that and he like I think he kind of if I remember he was saying you know players will find cool ways later on in life to like run up a wall and then midway come off and jump and do like a crazy shooting attack on people stuff like that like it's just gonna change the way people get around in the shooting element of it but I think that's uh pretty much it for me and yeah I have been really been had a chance to play much more than that so much more than like the six or seven games right well that and heavenly sword I mean but yeah I mean and I played Borderlands but again that's uh got embargoed until September 1st Jesus Christ really yeah it's embroidered to embargoed to after games con so did you write your preview for that already no but I took really good notes and I got those about fucking I got some choice quotes from Randy Pitchford you know he's the head of gearbox and for instance I saw two bone my consultant because I'm not gonna give like a preview about the game but I will say that there are midgets in the game and midgets with guns you know at least one person that'll be really excited about that and uh and at some point someone asked him someone asked him like do you think like they're gonna be offended that you're like basically all the little people in your game are like these psychotic people with guns trying to kill you he's like no man I fucking I fucking love little people man they are fucking rad you know and if I was the little person I think it was rad to be featured in a game like this man they should be fucking stoked Randy Pitchford he's not short on enthusiasm in any way or shape or form no he's a character man so a fun way he could only hit a deadline yeah well I mean you know brothers norms got pushed but and they pushed this game back but you know I think people I think this is the time that it was for a reason so yeah I think Randy Pitchford was the guy like back when they were doing brothers in arms he was doing an interview on game trailers and he was wearing this shirt that man I dubbed the ugliest shirt I've seen in my entire life it is not going to open a game do I love you wearing an ugly shirt man oh geez maybe he should go in the box ah let's take a break okay you know I'm talking on your phone there's still a bottle of music that's really on your way you're about nothing to say so why you're stupid garbage in love you're still the dead you're not a change of people away whoa that's right okay woman is that what it's saying god gave you a woman no give you a minute oh so y'all can play yeah that's a that is a quality lyrics from Ray Dogg R.H. D.O. G. that was actually a better rendition than his well I from what I understand you don't have the capability to be a stone death apparently he's well he has autism right asperger some some sort of well you the tether was comparing to Wesley Willis yeah you remember that guy just like fully heard and he had that dude songs out there I don't know he was used to do like he was like the guy who was like candy captain would do the songs like Batman can suck my dick there should be a few movies too he I can't I mean I'm not is into internet video meme no no no this was long this would be like college radio circa 1996 yeah like he was another one of those random I was way too play busy playing D&D and not getting laid 1990s he was another one of those people that for whatever reason people actually picked up and started like really listening to like they weren't just joking or laughing at him right like um so our topic right now that we inch side we sometimes obviously we take breaks and when we take breaks they doesn't like where it's like NPR right where they sit there for 30 seconds sometimes ours can last several like a lengthy span of time and we do dumb shit um so we're here to talk about price drops and redesigns kind of you know taking a look at the recent game's con announcement for the slim ps3 uh we've all seen and yes everyone is headed for contact to ps3 slim ps3 at this point um i'll just say right off the bat it is and it is more attractive in person than it is in pictures but I still do not think it looks especially great yeah i mean i i don't i'm not a big fan of the way it looks myself i mean you know honestly if it was the console that it is but i had the shiny black plastic of the original and the silver PlayStation logo i would like it like like a hundred percent more well then it would just look like the PlayStation three except smaller imagine that a ps3 slim so yeah you know i i mean i'm just i'm just not a i just i don't like the matte black on it and you know because it's not even like a three in the xx360 matte finish it's much rougher than that i mean yeah how did they did they make it so this one runs cooler because it would it uses the less power it uses the cooler it has to run cooler because there's way less ventilation on it which kind of leads me to wonder if i mean sony in the past had pretty severe hardware reliability issues right and you know and the the current ps3 has like fans all along the top or the side side but like that bitch puts out some heat like i remember back before right when it was coming out uh the one up the one up show special about it is jungle ward jungle wallard uh was talking about how she could put her cup of coffee next to event and it would keep it warm yeah i mean they put out heat and that's the thing is like the new one doesn't have any of the top ventilation it just has like a half inch wide series of slots down the back and there's some on the front too that almost look like taking it like removed media slots and just to answer i guess a few people's questions uh because you know some people asking here's like a basic rundown like has two usb ports you can still remove the hard drive just off a port in the front with the removal of one screw but uh you know there's no card reading slots those haven't really been there since the first one and the power supply is still internal people thought that that's how they slimmed it down was by making the power supply external but that's not true at all i mean to be fair the the ps3 board and the 40 gig and the new 80 gig were probably toned down quite a bit from the original ps3 because they removed all the ps2 hardware which lowers the power requirements and the the heat generated so right there's probably been more room in that chassis for a long time yeah i was just surprised they didn't take the power supply external like i know people like to complain about having a brick outside and stuff but could you imagine what your xbox would look like if it had to have that internally like a ps3 no kind of like original xbox ps3 yeah i mean they'd be these huge things like you know even the we for like to keep it in this like little tiny fashionable design they took the power supply out and its thing is pretty small i mean laptop power supplies are more and more resembling fucking xbox 360 power supplies for desktop replacements oh yeah desktop replacements for sure yeah so i mean you know i don't know maybe someday they'll release the ps3 really slim like like i said to you guys earlier it's like the ps3 after week after week of like jenny cray like it's a progress photo is what this current one is i didn't see i don't know that i agree with you because looking at the two systems side-by-side in person as opposed to pictures the the slim really does look a hell of a lot smaller i don't know man when i took photos of me yesterday and stuff i just me and ryan were just like i just don't i don't know what it is about taking photos of them but just looking at the two because honestly it's like i don't know i guess it's just like compared to the the decrease in size between the ps2 versions like the the slim line ps2 was like ridiculously big well that was also four years later yeah i'm just saying i mean that's and that's kind of why i'm wondering like did you really need to release a new system like a nice job alone like the original ps2 had the power supply inside the console oh yes it did and the ps2 to slim took the power supply outside the console right which is how they made it like an inch thick yeah so i i mean that that in and of itself sort of tells me that that that's one reason why it's still as big as it is and it does confuse me that that they didn't take the the power supply out because even from a reliability standpoint it would generate less heat inside the case of the power supply weren't in there right so yeah i don't know either this is i'm not trying to spread fud like i'm not trying to be that guy i just the ps3 is like the first sony hardware launch that has not had a an issue with hardware reliability yeah yeah my ps2 broke eventually but it was just the the optical drive yeah i mean optical drive failures is after good i tell you but most of my friends that had their systems break their original ps2's was because they would put it vertically and it would crack like it wasn't made that it wasn't actually done very well to be vertically for as long as they thought they just didn't have like the ps the original ps2's just didn't have very good drives yeah i mean i know a couple people though i mean that one you have in your room is still functioning ps2 and it's a no g1 so occasionally you know people get lucky i think it was the people that use them as dvd players um a lot tend to burn out the drives yeah i mean i've it's not just like i went through through a ps2 before i just gave up on sony last gen but i mean i also went through more than one xbox and more than one dvd player because i watch a lot of movies so let's uh i guess you know we can talk about uh you know i also other redesigns sony you also redesigned the psp this year yeah and you know an interesting point has been brought up uh you know i think it was tylor earlier that was talking about how you know with the fifty dollar difference in price now is not going to result or quoting no i thought it was i thought tylor was the one talking about though how they might be competing now on the market share no that no there was a listener who's i don't know if i picked their comment out or not but a listener on on the on each sleep game pointed out that or i think it was a listener pointed out that uh in some ways it's almost like the psp go and the ps3 might be competing for the same discretionary money uh because the prices are so close together i mean yeah when you think when you see like fifty dollars and i can buy a home console that can play blue rays or i can pay fifty dollars less and buy a handheld that you know like the type of person that's gonna buy that probably has an ipod and stuff right so it's not like for them they're thinking and this is like i'm portable media player like for them i don't think that that like i still don't know that maybe we'll use their psp for that like i know a couple like Sterling McGarvey from g4 that dude uses his is a portable media center like to listen to music and stuff like yeah to watch movies when he's flying and stuff but most people i know that myself included like i only booted up to play a game occasionally and then it stays off like you know i've never wanted like your ps3 i've never once yeah but even the ps3 like i still had like a bunch of little downloadable games and i use my ps3 as a dvd player i mean maybe i'll use my ps3 more as a blue ray player now that i have a new receiver but but i'm just saying like the whole point is that you know just the fifty dollar difference when you like you you know to the average customer going in the store and looking at sheer dollar value you know it's like they walk in and they see like i can buy a psp go for the same price as a we or and then and then like or for fifty dollars more i can get this thing that they blue ray player but the thing is i don't like i was saying earlier i don't think that that's the person that they're aiming the psp go at like they're the original psp or the psp three thousand is to gonna remain in stores at the prices which is 179 you do make a very good point especially because i mean not only did they recently really recently released the hannah montana psp the lilac they're also releasing this month a psp three thousand packaged with final fantasy the city of final fantasy is it like white or something like that i don't know but either way it's a new pack in skew for for like 180 i think so the whole point is that i mean i guess you're right they are trying to target the hardcore gadget nerds yeah i think that they're trying to go outside of the gaming audience a little bit at least with the psp go as a sexy piece of electronics and also as i was saying earlier i feel like a lot of the people that are bitching the most and the loudest about the psp goes price or the people that are gonna say a week before it comes out man i really need to get a psp go or two days later we'll say i still haven't been able to find a psp go and now i'm sad i think it's a great looking system and it's small and i like that because for me my current psp like like if you're gonna carry it around in any even a small carrying case it's still a behemoth i mean when it's closed when the psp goes closed it's basically all screen yeah it's basically like the size of a big cell phone like a little bit bigger an iphone and uh you know it's like that's that's like perfect for me like blackberry sized almost yeah pretty much so maybe a little bit wider because the rounded sides maybe i was because like a sidekick or something yeah so but the thing is it's like you know i would want that and i would even consider selling my current psp to try and like get one of those but i'm still wandering and waiting on the whole how they're going to handle my umd's like that's the big question for me like the redesign is cool because they got already the umd drive so the battery life should be better has like all that flash memory and they're gonna have it where you can buy every game downloadable i'm all down for that but what's gonna happen to all my games i already bought like that's my big question because i'm trying to imagine how they can do it to protect the publishers from you know saying me just putting a file out there on the internet then now everyone's down basically the only way i can think of is that they have a program where you send them your umd and they email you a code or store your umd's or something yeah like there's a warehouse where they just collect umd's that's the only way i can see it too yeah like a box at a in a game stop where like i stand and drop it in they have to continue selling umd's because they have demonstrated that they are not gonna stop supporting the psp 3000 right so that now means that i mean i guess in a way it's if they don't charge publishers a lot for it if anything to like you know publish it like the fee stays the same as a licensing fee to produce on the psp as well as get onto psn to have your game well as it is now there's like a licensing fee to develop for psp and i think there's probably like a media fee because they own the rights to umd so you have to pay sony to print on a umd i mean i don't know how it works too like if i can wirelessly download games on my psp go yeah that's that's one of the new things is like see that's cool to me if like i'm like in an airport and got a couple hours to kill i'm like you know what i have 40 bucks that will blow right now what airport will let you download it that it high enough bandwidth to download a psp game though uh i mean yeah wireless you're right you'd have to plug in and pay for an access point i mean does can you plug in a psp no that's what i'm saying you'd have to have a computer that you then plugged in and plugged in and plugged in that's just like too many connections well i mean that's how i've always done psn stuff with my my psp currently like i don't know if sony gets that one of the reasons the iphone succeeds as a as a software platform is because of the 3g network and being able to download a program anywhere all right the second they're gonna put 3g on there they'd have to charge you subscription fee basically and or buy or psp phone says hello yeah well i mean in in a way their answer to the iphone market is there uh the little what they call them psp minis the games that they announced that are going to come out downloadable like under a hundred megabytes i mean i'm all down i'm all down for i don't hate style games i feel like that's not a that's that might be what they want their response to be but does it have the accessibility yeah it's more like a response to the x-box live arcade there's no yeah exactly i mean there's no way that sony or microsoft or nintendo with the way that they license stuff right now can make a thing comparable to the app store because the app store it's so easy to put your thing up there that i mean you know could you imagine having a psn or x-box live arcade where there's like 10 000 games you know what i mean like xn a is the closest thing that micro stuff has to that john karmach spent two thirds of his keynote talking about iphone games and how much you know how much he enjoys you know being able to put games up so quickly as compared to like the telecom companies and his plans to get edtech five running on iphone yep like the the three gs yeah okay specifically yeah which kind of makes me sad yeah because i have the original iphone does the three g the three gs have um a tegra processor i have no idea i know that there's something it has that makes it slightly faster i'm just curious i can't remember but i the reason it comes up is because i know that the zoom hd like has a fucking beast of a 3d processor in it see it's funny because you know like talking about redesigns like you know we can go as far away from the standard topic of microsoft and ps3 to talk about the iphone the iphone's kind of one where it's like right it's like the first generation iphone to the second generation besides the fact that it added uh 3g instead of edge and it added like you know they took care of aesthetic things like making the fucking headpone port actually accessible um you know like the fact that they're their new redesign actually adds power to it that's like something that you would never see like because that now can diversify your market like put a deep wedge in there for their rumors uh a while back that the next xbox system will be forwards compatible and that it will take software from the 360 and make it look look better graphically speaking on the next generation of their hardware yeah i just think that something like the iphone like like it just seems like i mean because the iphone's not primarily a game system like i would never see a gaming system do that won't ever see it doesn't seem like well ever see a company where they would be like now only a certain chunk of people can buy which and i mean not only that but apple it has been has instituted this ecosystem for like the last 10 maybe like seven or eight years where they try to instill in their customers a very rigid upgrade schedule where you're like okay two years later time for me to buy the new version of whatever mac product i was using before whether it's an ipod or laptop and with ipods it's almost worse it's almost like there's a year upgrade schedule yeah and i guess you know with with ipods and iPhones it makes more sense because i bet you like they can diversify and make it to where certain people can access things because of that mentality where i mean they are already into upgrade they do it now like for for firmware updates they charge 10 bucks on ipods right yeah if you're an iphone customer you get this for free but ipods yeah and it's like but i guarantee you i guess the way it works for the iphone that makes is because i can't imagine most people even play games like the app store must is mainly for apps like not game apps like people buy it so they can get stupid shit like flashlight or air horn parts or thing to really calculate like measurements like what's inches and centimeters like that type of stuff i mean i have lots of that shit on my phone of course so but i mean the game companies are definitely jumping on iphone in a big way i don't know it seems like somewhere i said like one of the the most successful thing with them was the games i don't know well i bet you that make the most money money yeah because they cost more than any other there are a ton of free apps oh okay just like the gaming the gaming industry quote unquote makes more revenue than the movie industry supposedly yeah um yeah i mean games do like you know john karmack did say even at the premium price point that doom resurrection ended up making money on iphone so even at a price point of $9.99 which the only other game was monkey island or monkey ball super monkey ball that had a price of that high so but you know he does say that you know it makes me wonder because like on a you know i can't remember how much they said the psp go as like eight gigabytes internal memory i think it's eight or 16 so i mean without you have to have memory cards with you for sure because otherwise i can't imagine that these games like i don't know i mean i think that once you buy a game you have the license to read download that's what i'm saying so i'm just saying you'll have to download or keep memory cards to throw them on there because games are probably 800 minutes i actually kind of wonder if you'll be able to move games to the memory card on the psp go i don't know you know part of me thinks no because that's just another loophole for piracy right yeah i don't know if you can delete it and you have to download it again i mean one of the things about digital downloads that publishers really like is that it's a a much easier ecosystem to secure against piracy right i don't know i mean maybe they'll find a way around that because i feel like didn't nintendo get around that because now you can play games off the SD cards and stuff for we were so there's got to be a way to still protect it i think maybe it's because nintendo doesn't feel like they have much to worry about from piracy i mean 90% of people like i mean yeah although i imagine the people that are buying games online are also savvy enough to think about stuff like that like i mean my parents are using my we right but my parents just called me the other day because they couldn't figure out why they couldn't see the pointers and it was because the sensor bar had fallen off the tv you know what i mean like i'm just like i just don't think most people out there with the we are like our goodness a third well that and the people that would pirate games on the we aren't like necessarily the people that nintendo cares about because they'll probably still buy nintendo's products and it's third-party games that they'll pirate yeah that's true i just don't think most we owners are going to be capable of getting their piracy like if my parents had if my parents were challenged to download a game in we were or else i would be executed i mean if piracy if if modding your console or piracy is the low watermark for tech expertise and i'm fucked because the thought of modding my 360 like it's so daunting to me yeah if it involves anything that involves me to use a soldering that's like no see for the 360 you have to to flash the firmware of the dvd drive is like a back door i don't even know what that means that's fucking like space language the firmware of your dvd drive it's the software inside of the drive itself that tells it how to run and communicates with the system like you that is how obscure hackers had to get to hack the 360 it wasn't the 360 itself that was hackable it was the dvd drive so what were anyway what were some user comments about redesigns um particularly worth i will start with matthew Reynolds who says the fact that in the uk at least the ps3 is just 25 pounds more than the psb go is bloody bonkers i'm putting the funds toward an ipod touch for my mobile kick good point ouch that is again that is who sony is competing with with the psb go is with people who are buying shiny apple stuff and they're also going to be competing against the zune hd i mean i buy about a game a month for my phone these days so um and ziax in response to set in response to that says in the u.s it'll be fifty dollars more so not far off i hadn't even thought of that but that speaks to how ridiculously overpriced the psb go is i think it demonstrates sony's hubris they seem to think they have the cash of apple and that people are willing to pay the premium for the sony brand that has been considerably diminished since the ps2 we saw that with the people a walkman uh pretty much everything that sony is released for a long time beta kelens to mind i'm just thinking you know i mean originally like the walkman tape player like that was fucking sony had that that was like everyone was a walkman i mean the the lead up to the ps3 race i think is the moment that sony's hubris overstepped its its ability to to follow through yeah but uh um we saw that with the people we'll get a second job to afford ps3 comments we see it with the psb uh functionally sure it's roughly the same rate same ranges and ipod touch that it's price near but without near the brand appeal and missing all the niceties of a touch base user interface they should have added a touch screen for that price even if just for media control without opening the system yeah and i mean just the ease of getting games published on there you'll see such a wide variety of really cool and unique things that will never have a chance to make it on the psp i'm sure you know because the approval processes are just so drastically different i don't and there's so many different i mean i don't think the apple store has different regions no i think it's all in region not to mention the fact that you know it's just like i i don't know it just seems like it's gonna be harder and harder for like the ds has a unique market with the touch screen having very unique games that they can go back and fall on but the psp i just don't feel like it i mean it can do some really like awesome looking games but the fact of the matter is that like as far as like media things go like having an ipod touch for an iphone where you can then access the same store and while you're buying that game buy like a movie or an album you know what i mean it's just like i mean they did announce it games con this year that uh that they're finally doing their movie purchase store on the psn which you can which works on ps3 and psp but i don't know people don't seem to be interested in buying movies on the consoles they like renting and maybe buying tv shows but yeah i mean i don't mean it for it to be the psp hate hour but what was the last game on psp that you were like oh shit i mean and i don't know a psp and in a lot of ways like psp and i mean in my in my view still seems like the handheld they're trying to make like this is these machine you play your console games on the yeah that with the current generation of handheld systems it always struck me that um or not just with that but with current generation consoles whereas sony was trying to put a console sales model on the handheld market with the psp and with the ween nintendo tried to a portable sales market model uh with the we yeah i don't mean for this to sound like a horribly negative comparison because i like my psp a lot more but the psp like ds comparison kind of reminds me in a way of uh of like game gear and game boy back in the day because game gear like it was the same thing a lot of the games i played were like home console versions but on my thing like i played sonic too and it was like oh fuck this is really sonic should i have to change batteries yeah exactly sweet i'm at the next little shit i have to change batteries yeah i don't know i had that just came to mind i'm sure i'm not the first of the last but i don't think the psp is nearly as terrible as the game gear was it's just another company that challenged nintendo's home market or portable market dominance and failed yeah i just don't know that maybe there is a i mean there's i mean the psp is still made money like it hasn't it's been successful in that sense but it don't ever match the ds in a way because it just doesn't have that unique gimmick that the ds has to it and the only other things like the iphone and stuff is that they have these other things that make them worthwhile like being media players and having the random motion controls like they have something else but that it's like a zoom hd you know whether or not that will be successful it won't be successful just because it's a gaming device it isn't just it's a no i mean let's just throw this out there the zoom hd will not like microsoft is trying to get games and apps in the zoom hd it will come nowhere close to what apple has going yeah like my zoom right now can play games i have not seen a single game up for sale or download for the zoom ever not the hectic isn't fun but um let's see Duncan DeMunk says still no ps2 support no thanks yeah i mean i think that's a lot of people were kind of disappointed with that but honestly i think that that is like at this point the farthest thing from someone's mind is really to the fact that it has sell yeah they are content they want to bring this the price down um and then in one reply that i wanted to call attention to because this seems to be a common misconception uh you don't need to add backwards compatibility of the system to play digitally downloaded ps2 titles as it is it's not like the emotion engine emulator in the firmware magically disappeared it's just not cost-effective to make it 75 percent compatible ps2 game discs first of all ps2 backwards backwards compatibility and ps3 has develop always depended on two things which is emotion engine emulation and graphics synthesizer emulation so you can still buy even on a non-backwards compatible ps3 you can buy a ps2 game you play it i exactly no you can't because they they not only have to emulate the processor they have to emulate the graphics chip which is why you do not see software fucking backwards compatibility on the ps3 because it's really hard and the ps3 is hard enough to program for i thought they didn't wasn't the second generation one didn't wasn't there one that did have software backwards compatibility it had software supported backwards compatibility but it still had an an element of hardware backwards compatibility uh i mean at this point you know with the 299 price drop right just go buy a ps2 as well they're going to be nine dollars now um and this is from uh because you're made of money from Zen and all of these are leading all of these are leading to a point that i want to make but uh Zenitonic says i feel very good about the price drop actually i was planning on joining the current console generation and buying a 360 at the end of this month this has me seriously considering a ps3 instead the only reason i wasn't considering the ps3 before was the hundred dollar price gap well that's gone now and i can get a more reliable machine instead how many people do you think or like that guy um i don't know let me finish reading the letter uh 299 is a reasonable price for me with regards to the actual redesign i don't really care as long as it plays games and doesn't break down it could look like a microwave oven and i'd still play i like that sentence um and then burst you a loopa in response says you bring up some really good points a three hundred r ps3 is a better hardware value than a three hundred r 360 especially considering it doubles as a blu ray player and as built in wifi um and then they bring up the game in former stats that were published recently about failure rates but uh what i'm building up to basically is that as far as features go um consumers don't give a fuck about blu ray playback they don't care about backwards compatibility i'm not talking about gamers like the hardcore gamers but the the hardcore market is a very small segment of who sony and microsoft are going after yeah i was gonna that's what i was trying to say before was i'm wondering like how many people are like this guy right where they're like i haven't bought a console yet i'm thinking about moving into the next generation yeah you know and it's like i like even like i imagine that most of the people listening to our podcast already own one or the other yeah but i guess maybe that's not true you know i think for the most part it is i think that most most hardcore gamers have moved into the current generation and i think that i mean i think microsoft believes that which is why they're moving more and more focused behind the arcade skew um because they figure that they probably almost hit saturation with the core audience um but what i i mean i i one of the things that have become super popular over the last two years is to show like these comparison charts between what you get with the ps3 and what you get with the 360 and a Wii and this is like the chief sony family argument for why the ps3 wasn't too much and the point is is that no one gives a fuck about your comparison charts and that consumers are are much more willing to get nickel and timed after the fact after leaving the store then they are to get ben franklinned at the register and and get screwed on price whether or not it's worth that money i mean the the bare minimum they need to pay to get the game the console home to play games and that that's a big important point is to play games because blu ray is not taking off the way that studios hoped it would um and the people that are buying the system for blu ray don't seem to be buying games for it um the all that added value that sony tried to add to the system none of it mattered because the initial value wasn't enough and the cost was too high and they cut out a lot of the added value anyway yeah and exactly that's what they've been figuring out painfully over the last three years as they've been cutting features trying to get the price down because they've been slowly realizing that that like joe six pack that goes to the game store to pick up a system for his kids like for christmas like he doesn't give a shit about wireless because he probably doesn't even connect the system to the internet and if he does then maybe he like he just plugs it straight into the modem sometimes when they want to get online right um he doesn't care about blu ray playback because maybe he doesn't have an htv or maybe he has an htv and it's hooked up with composite cables to his dvd player or he doesn't want to pay the premium price of blu rays when he can buy the same movie exactly i mean people bring up all this stuff but but the people that microsoft and sony and nintendo want to sell to you don't care about most of the stuff and sony lost sight of that and the three hundred dollar price point is them realizing that everything else doesn't matter because they couldn't get them into homes yeah i mean my my brother back home in houston uh when i went home to visit him i mean he's the type would who like when he gets his paycheck will go and drop sixty eighty dollars on dvds and like anime and stuff at best buy and i'm like well you know why don't you get a ps3 you know they got a blu ray player and he's like well i don't want to have to buy my whole library again and he would um same reason i don't buy blue rays because i don't want to have like the random blue ray and then have all these dvd's and have that one i can't take over to a friend's exactly that's the thing that keeps me from from buying a lot of blue rays is a the price difference although the price difference is becoming more is becoming more more narrow um or at least blue rays are dropping to what i'm willing to pay because dvd's are just getting like ass cheap now like 10 bucks for dvd is normal and like 20 bucks for a blue ray is becoming more common um but yeah i mean what am i i can't expect that i'm going to bring a dvd over somewhere and they or a blue ray movie over somewhere and they'll have something to play it right um chris says uh to the two little to lay comment there was a comment about this price drop being too little too late um i think it depends what sony's aims are will they start to shift more units in games almost certainly could they overtake 360 the generation i really can't see that happening um to i mean to to his point like the way i view the sony and the xbox you know with the average consumer out there you know like where you're talking to me it's just a matter of the ps2 was ubiquitous with video games but now the 360 is ubiquitous with video games for a certain kind of game but in a lot of ways the we is more synonymous with gaming to to a big number of households the other way i can see the ps3 overtaken the 360 as if like six months from now microsoft announced they were no longer making them and put out a new console if they dream past themselves yeah like i mean yeah i mean i the only reason like i don't think that's i think that that this generation's story might be told as far as the 360 and the ps3 go on their relation to each other um as far as the we goes who knows because their sales have been dropping precipitously over the last six months to the point i mean at this point what's to stop them right from just like putting out a new we HD within the next couple of years because they've already made fucking millions i don't think they're ready with a we HD yet you know what um anthony when you were talking earlier about how apple added power to the 3g i thought well let's watch nintendo let's see what they do next do they release a we HD with maybe you know some bit of magic and will they introduce it as the same price as the we when it was new or will it be more expensive it would be less i think the only price drop that we will get will be because a new more powerful one comes out the i wouldn't get raised if nintendo released a we HD the only people that would buy out of the people about the game cube that so-called new audience that they've sold to they're not gonna buy another console for a long time because they say why do i need that oh because the graphics are better but you already told me i didn't need a machine that need had better graphics because i bought this thing and most people like i go to my buddy's house and i look at the back of the back of their 360 and i'm like dude you got your fucking component cable set to standard def and you got a high def tv and your component in and nik not gonna say huh not broad service yeah i turn on like whoa as far as i think the price drop might have a little bit of the too little too late thing to it for a different reason which is that microsoft saw a lot of sales when the economy was better at the at the three hundred dollar price point and above when they consistently had the ps3 to make them look cheaper and now that the economy is in the shitter three hundred dollars is too much for a system and that goes to the 360 and the ps3 both right on the way over here we were like damn is the 360 is still 350 yeah and the pro is is 300 and i mean people call me a fanboy or whatever but like i've been saying for a long time that three hundred dollars is the 360 is too fucking expensive at three hundred dollars and i don't think that the arcade counts as the arcade the arcade should be in my mind i mean should be the price that that a pro is that if i mean we're almost four years into the the 360's lifespan and it's still the the entry arguably the hardest push the entry level system is 300 dollars the entry level system of three hundred dollars and then to walk out of there with a game it's like another 60 unless they bundle but i mean i mean the the the bundling thing has been non-existent for a long time he says what i'm saying is like what was the ps2 after four years like what was the ps2 in 2004 i don't know probably one night or it was like 179 i think or maybe less or 149 and then it took a long as time to drop to 129 but the point is like it saw so many sales after a drop below 200 and the 360 isn't even at 200 yet for the the main model and that's just it's insane to me and 299 is a better price for ps3 and the hardcore gamers that have been holding off on the ps3 might be able to buy it now so i would say maybe maybe too late but not too little i feel that 299 is a really good price for the ps3 it's i think it's a better price oh there's no doubt in anyone's that it's a better price right i don't i don't think that i still think the 299 is is expensive and i think that there are a lot of people that have been saying oh the magic price point is 299 but there are hundred dollar blue ray players out there now yeah i mean i guess you know what if they dropped to 249 it was the same price as a we think that you kind of yeah but there's no weird perspective i mean is there anyone that thinks that the Wii is reasonably priced at this point now i mean i'm not saying that the the nintendo can't sell it because obviously until fairly recently 249 is definitely perfectly logical asking price to them and you know like when we talk about um you know the the the Wii's price and then earlier we were talking about like why they chose not to remove the power brick from the ps3 and some of some of it and even the pricing in my mind i wonder how much of this can be attributed to sort of quote unquote penis envy like sony said we can't have a system too small or else we'll look like a small you know yeah that's my point like that might be the same size or whatever the smaller than the 360 i think it's not well it's the point he's making is that if they went too small then people would perceive it as a weak system the same way with the price like if um you know if uh let's say microsoft put their pro at 250 at the same price that that we would have the sort of reverse psychological there have been there have been people that have posited that they think that that's one reason why microsoft didn't price the arcade at that for very long is because it's or i mean there are some people that were surprised that they dropped the arcade to 199 because at that point it's got the arcade which is a powerful next-gen system for $50 less than the we and people think i mean the we cost more shouldn't that be better exactly but that's a weird sort of psychology where there's a certain point where they think that just cost more which the ps3 has been sitting in for a long time right but i mean that might be taken to the i mean the ps3 sort of on the extreme edge of that but yeah i wonder i wonder if that is a little factor at play here i at this point i doubt it i honestly i'm an i would be really surprised if we make it out of september and don't see a 360 price cut really i i just feel like i in my personal opinion the 360 has a lot more going for it than just a cheaper price than the ps3 and it has for a long time it has an extremely robust game library the online is just is better no matter how many flow charts and fucking like lists you throw at me although i feel like at some point wasn't there like a time when you thought they dropped the price some other time and they totally didn't so i'm just saying i don't know i feel like i feel like in the past you said the same and it's not like your own fault because obviously you're not a fucking you i think you make reasonable things that they should and then it just doesn't happen because for whatever reason they're fucking like no we're not doing this what i i think that there have been times where i thought they should but i didn't know that they would because the ps3 because the ps3 is at the same price as their primary option and because i think that whether it's fair or not and obviously the ps3 is demonstrated that fair has nothing to do with this console cycle it is a psychological thing that people think for whatever reason that the ps3 is a more powerful system that where games should look better and it's just got a way better offering but it's more expensive so the 360 is the cheaper option so either microsoft really needs to get out there and market the 360 as a system that has the most games that has better looking games because in general multi-platform releases look better on 360 and they sell more and that they have a better online system that's easier to use and that they've got the avatars into talk coming up blah blah blah or drop the price or they need to do both because price has been a big psychological factor in the 360's marketing for a long time do you i could to me i would be a bit more skeptical saying that they would drop the price but i i could see maybe like a bundle with two games like a kick-ass i i don't think that's enough you don't think that's going to happen i think sony has demonstrated repeatedly that bundles are not good enough because bundling fucking kills on a metal bush solid 4 did not help their sales at all and that was a pretty rat-ass bundle i mean and that is one of the best value bundles around as opposed to like i guess what you're saying is opposed to doing a price drop to switching it to a bundled model yeah again i just feel like gears to and halo odst or if if your console is cheaper and bundled then it makes it a more attractive option and the more expensive but if your console costs the same you're not even with the perceived value there is a hundred twenty dollars i think that a lot of people feel like the ps3 has a higher perceived value because of the blu-ray player but i mean and well and i mean and since we're talking about you know a sort of new new console excuse how do you think microsoft is looking at a potential price drop this year with next year in mind project natal rumors it might be like bundled with a console or you know that new uh like a new console like the next but i wouldn't be surprised to see a redesign 360 when natal releases like as a pat like with natal and the 360 together yeah although you know we'll see how much that costs it might very well be some stupid price all over yep um i i don't know i think that microsoft has been lowering the cost of production for the 360 for a long time and the arcade is is their biggest point of a sort of maneuverability price wise i mean i wonder how long the cycle is going to be for them right because if it has been four years like are we going to get more price drops or is it just going to be like here's price drop because we're going to fucking move on i mean people forget but in 2008 like in the first half microsoft was talking a lot about how we we like how we're doing but we totally acknowledge that the bulk of console sales happen under two hundred dollars and the arcade is is one of our ways to get to that as soon as possible but i think in this economy that's not enough um and lowering like eliminating the pro console and making the elite 300 which seems to be their plan right now that everybody thinks before the ps3 slim was fucking announced for 300 which i i mean i was surprised by that and i don't think i'm the only one i would imagine there are a lot of people with microsoft that are surprised that sony had the balls to just say all right fuck it we need to do this yeah and i imagine that there have been a lot of battles at sony this year about we need to lower the price a lot yeah i mean i mean how many people from sony have been quoted as there's going to be no price drop you know price drop yeah we have no we have no plans for a price drop at this time um and maybe they didn't know for sure that they were going to release it at 300 until really recently maybe they didn't know they could bring down their production cost as much as they could possible um i just don't think they're releasing a better system for the same price has been demonstrated to not be a viable option like microsoft needs to learn from sony's mistakes in that case let's close it out with like one or two good user comments um zifford says i think things are going to get competitive no doubt the 360 has one has won this generation there's a lot of comments actually where people were just assuming that the 360 has won this generation uh what surprises me because generally the online sentiment seems to be wait till this happens and then the ps3 will overtake such as such you know michael pachter an industry analyst like that's been his big until this year actually like i haven't really seen pachter say that this year yeah i mean he i mean he might be changing i usually catch bonus round and stuff like that on game trailers and um we uh no doubt the 360 has won this generation but i think the new price point gives hardcore gamers the actual option to buy a ps3 without it being such a large investment uh the elite will go down in no time what i do wish microsoft would do is finally lower the goddamn 120 gigabyte hard drive price it's not going to happen well microsoft makes too much money on hard drives and new people will pay it absurd amounts of money yeah man to me that's that's the most disparaging thing about the microsoft console is their hardware prices their accessory prices yeah i mean they weren't sony i mean sony warned the wrong lessons from microsoft last gen and microsoft weren't the right lessons from sony this gen which is that you accessorize and make money like all the decisions that console gamers hate the most this generation as far as being unfriendly are the ones that are making the most business sense to the big console manufacturers this generation like the we the we basically being a game cube repackaged is making the nintendo fortune like selling the arcade skew the arcade skew does extremely well so that's sort of bucking the tard pack mentality our work i'm not saying retard i'm saying that people called it the tard pack that's just reciting a fact yeah i'm just saying the last time i said tard and my twitter is someone linked artwork that work um just trying to keep ratavon says the trans sony set for this generation of their consoles is to drop features i bought an 80 gig ps3 just after they drop back compatibility i now have a 60 gig which i bought for backwards compatibility what i didn't know is the 60 gigabit also has two additional usb ports memory card slots uh the psb goes scaled back in that it can no longer support umds the only additional feature is bluetooth uh it seems as though with ps3 sony's determined that people will make a purchasing decision on price alone without regard to features which is mostly true i'm not sure what they're thinking of the psb go and i picked that comment because he has it right because price is what is determining what people pick up it is or it is a a dominant factor in in the way people view the value of a console ilies this is not from scientific study mind you this is just i mean it's it seems pretty empirically obvious yeah right i'm just saying i'm just saying all we have i mean it's there that's the only kind of evidence there is like in this kind right i'm just saying it's not like i guess some people would fucking i'm just probably done with advocate with their people be like you don't know that there was no survey done i mean everything everything anyone says in this podcast should be construed as their opinion unless it's right unless they give a very specific number right and let's be honest i don't research my shit my shit is not researched i mean i don't think that the the 360 is in trouble i think that first i don't know what it is but for the like developers have noticed for some reason the ps3 has a problem selling games even with an install base like with an install base that matched what the 360s was at that point in its life cycle what's still has problems selling as many games and there are a lot of big games on the console that just don't sell very well but uh i think it will be helpful it couldn't hurt although i kind of wonder if we're going to see giant sony losses next quarter because the gaming division has been what they propped up prop themselves up on for so long i mean if anything it it should at least calm some of the developers who have been like calling to sony for a price drop for a long time so yeah you gotta wonder if things like bobby coddick talking shit actually lit a fire under people because people to people dismissed that that comment from bobby coddick but i i don't i didn't at all like i definitely think it's the biggest publisher on earth yeah so when he has all of activation and blizzard behind him when he makes their decisions for them and i mean even john karmack you know jumped the activation ship you know at a quick con even you know said very candidly about how developing for the ps3 is a pain and how they don't like to do it gave newell is you know i was watching so that they just have no interest in it there's no interest you know like what do you do in that situation like i don't know microsoft seems hungry so it does not if it would be different if the ps3 had come out at a better price and if it had sold like crazy then people would be leading on the ps3 and the xbox they would have interest to do so they would have figured it out yeah but how about um just real quick um with console redesigns is would you guys consider the nes top loader design to be like unanimously considered the you know oh that's wack you know no which nes is the fucking i mean i guess amongst people like the the the hard hard hardcore among so for i mean for nostalgia sake i'm sure but as far as like the superior design now that like that fixed all the mechanical problems with an antenna i mean just like if i could get my hands on the ps1 these days i'd rather get my hands on one of those ps1s it's like as big as a disc right other ps1s or any e yeah like you know i mean must redesigns are good right for a reason i remember when i was a kid and i saw what we designed in the s and the toys are us for some no man that's um they sold so many of those yeah right all right let's uh take a break out the blue sound room up there deep in the shed master game to discover why and i'm quiet now here that's some vacation and go into the void spend the seat by the wall what we say about hard love are they i know and no tyler said tough love i said honesty i thought he said hard love hard well i know that's not something i talk about in the living room no yeah actually this uh podcast has been relatively mature so if you want to hear the immature version of rebel fm for this week go listen to the game spy debris things then i had to put taglines on the website for that podcast and it just said when rfm meets games by dot dot dot dot geek box gives aids as a tag yes um so oh i also i wanted to take the beginning of this just because it's relayed the letters because it came through me through an email but the you know the developer behind the xna game weapon of choice yeah gave me a code so i could try it and uh it's really good yeah no i i like the demo i just and they came out during such a bad time so gave me two codes to give away so the letters i read today we're gonna pick two they're really good and we're gonna send them because that is a really cool game and i don't have that game yeah well it's it's all right man this is for the homies yeah so uh he would have sent us more but they got a very i mean xna game yeah they got like extremely lit weighted like 30 at max 30 yeah so he was very cool and hooked me up and you know it is a very cool game it's done in a very contrast manner and it is very much like a modern country game where it's got like crazy looking art like hand-drawn art aliens and everything's like done in these weird like yellow purple and reds it's the best i can describe it it's like a fourth grader came up with a country game but it but it's but it's rad it's like totally good like the rad is fourth grader in the world game of the country game you sound like you're insulting in a way no i'm not at all i mean there's just like a certain aesthetic to it that's like from a kid's notebook right i mean it does kind of look like i know what you're mean though i mean like i said it's like stuff that he worked on when he was ten years old yeah he's yeah he's just it looks like a trapper keeper kind of like trapper keeper graphic like colors but uh like how could you not at least smile at that even if you don't end up liking the aesthetic like just the thought of someone making that into a game is it's uh and you know it's got some really cool things to it like the way that you manipulate weapons at the right stick like you can like detect your main gun and like you've got spider arms on your back and yeah so like anytime you get close to wall your guy will grip so you can go along ceilings and stuff like that like robot spider arms not yeah robot spider arms it's just a really weird game and like the guy uh dia beaters like that guy is like uh if what is clearly supposed to be Walter rimley woofer brimley woofer brimley like very clearly supposed to be him is like the general that talks to you all the time except it's him with like big black sunshades like it's just it's such a weird game and for an x and a game it's one of the best looking like best x and a games out there it is fantastic and it is done by an x insomniac yeah uh developed it to follow a stream of independent development right and they're working on a new game right now that may or may not release to create it through indie games called kind of as it called something buggy I can't think what it's called it's mommy's best games is the company and uh he actually said that he would come on the show happily sometimes cool if we wanted to yeah it in the the characters or what until you couldn't remember the name of the new game i remember the name of the company mommy's best games check it out it looks like you can almost like make a character model for major laser and he would finish that game yeah that works so do you have a letter for us that talks about how we dislike things uh i'm trying to find one that doesn't talk about really i think you should read that one that you said the one that would hate us after our previous conversation oh well this person asked the letter that's just kind of random but personal so i'll read real quick he just says this from shawn and he says on the last show Anthony mentioned a dog last it was mentioned before uh Anthony had said he wanted to get a dog if he did settle on a canine i was wondering what its name is and what its breed is did arthur have any input also i don't hear tyler mention animals very often does he have any pets so i have a dog that i'm highly considering at the moment he's with my parents his name is frank he's a pug um well i don't i don't know if he's pure red because he sure has a weird pug face he has some some challenges well he farts a lot and yet he currently so he's met for anthony i like already and he has a he wears a diaper because he's still being house trained he's a very sweet dog and he makes the typical pug sounds like where he runs around the whole time and the whole time he's moving goes did he say that he's sort of unruly yeah i mean he he he's still learning to listen like you can tell like whoever had him didn't feed him right and let him do whatever he wants because when you have food it isn't like other dogs would be like here take this treat and they'll take it gently like this dog will eat your three fingers with the treat as well so he's learning you know he's with the right dad though but it's funny it's funny yeah it's with my dad so it's funny like i fell asleep on my parents house while i was there and i'm sleeping on the couch and all the sudden uh my dad walked in and frank was sleeping on the arm of the couch and frank look up and i'm like what the fuck do you want and then just like put his face into the couch again i think my dad said the dog since he has a flat face sleeps with his face smushed into the cushion itself like doesn't rest is set to smush his face into it which granted is a pretty adorable mental picture yeah so he's a weird he's a weird dog but i like him a lot so and i just like the way the dogs was fucked up breathing tracks breathe he's not actually a pug he'd just been sleeping like that his whole like he's been squished but to answer your other question tyler does own pets yeah yeah um my girlfriend and i have a cat mr. Nigel um he's a very handsome orange haired not uh orange haired kitty yes he's a little he's a little high strung it seems no no he he just gets scared of strangers okay uh um as far as whether or not i had input obviously anthony talked to me about the dogs beforehand um it is not my cat that is going to have a problem with the dog in this apartment it would be anthony it would definitely be anthony yeah for sure uh and that i am not the sticking point on the dog it's definitely dealing with the uh the management i mean of course of course i ask arthur about a dog right we live together and anybody that lives with someone else shouldn't just assume they can do whatever the fuck they want when they live with someone so something they can be life altering like a dog is something that you should consult with someone so we did um so this is from chris and he says after hearing all the letters uh about people thinking podcast house or bias gay bashing etc come to the realization that they're taking these words at face value for example if guy one calls guy to a faggot in question marks i'm going to read the actual word i know uh then at the angry letter guys think that guy one is calling someone a derogatory name for homosexual inferring that homosexuals are bad for like a better word while this may be the original word i think we've evolved our language to the point where words like faggot and bitch are just general insults still not acceptable yeah no you don't have the right to appropriate uh uh an epithet labeled at a minority group like i've called my friend bitches before a bitch is different i have to be honest a bitches a technical term for for a female dog it wasn't the word like if it was appropriated for like arthur said to like stigmatize a minority exactly yeah my my favorite like little thing that sort of sums this up is like a michael scott quote when he was like when i was a kid gauges meant lame now it actually means homosexual like it's like i saw he also brings up our word dot org because of how we mentioned it how cool and uh i'm guilty of calling people retarded but again i mean no disrespect to people with mental disabilities i'm not trying to relate the person i called to that words to someone with mental disabilities i was exposed to the word and it was added to my vocabulary as a synonym of idiot so i understand the mentality of getting words added just through culture that happens all the time but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't get blotted out i'm sure back in the day in the fifties you grew up in a white southern state you might just call black people a certain name just because you know that was part of your culture i'm not i'm not tacitly defending the word retard because i try to eliminate it from my speech as much as possible but retard is a term in common usage for things other than a person that has mental defense right you can say it and not only that but it means what you what you imagine it would mean when you send everyday parlance like to retard something is too slow something to to limit it yeah but the problem is like when people use it in normal language like oh um the shooting in this game is retarded it's like they're not talking about shooting is slow this is this is slower diminished this is this is like a mentally disabled person i mean like yeah and in a lot of ways i think i think the listener's reaction is maybe what a lot of people might think you know without sort of going too deep into it but but really it is good to try and um i don't know to try just try to like better yourself in a lot of ways like i don't know i always try to you know whether it's through your diet through your habits or anything and even and even through your language like you know try to better yourself you don't want to i don't know step on you want to mean yourself with your language and just i feel like people misinterpret what i mean by dick sucking like when i use that term for a fusive praise i don't mean it's not related to being gay it is related to someone performing an act of worship or or adoration or something you can say brown nosing or yeah i mean it's just it is a more vulgar way of saying brown nosing right so i'm looking through our letters and there's a random spam one i feel like i should read you just totally do it it's from nora and nora says hello with a bunch of those it's like joy and child's my child is emailing us for the grave under the issue my name is nora i am a beautiful young girl with faithful loving tender and very caring period tell us more i am seriously looking but i'm seriously looking for i'm seriously looking for relationship leading to anything to anything yeah today i saw your profile here some website i've never been to and i love it comma in fart not in fact in fart in fart i became interested interested to be you good friend in life entrusting i think hold on i got a reason i'm going to start over a sentence back okay because i got to change my voice today i saw your profile here and i love it and fart i became interested to be good friend in life i think we can write together to become good friend remember the the distance a color does not matter but love matters a lot in life please i will like you to contact me with her email i will like to show you my photo and at the same time you will know more about me and i will also like to see you photos because i will send my photos to you i am very good girl i need good friend and that you will like me once again please reply me and i will be happy to see your reply here thanks for your understanding nora how is bobby formed there's some real nuggets of life wisdom in that email well that was some that was some weird shit all right so how about something written by an ostensibly real person um he says which is your this is who says this is from herb or and he says love yoda at the end though which is your favorite and least favorite of the six star wars movie double dagger but dick sucking the apple does it the best well she's so low to the ground which is least and most which is your least and favorite yeah he wants to know or least favorite or most favorite hmm well least can everyone agree on that i doubt it i mean probably episode one episode one of the six episode one i have the hardest time watching a new hope and really to me too is bad because Hayden christian i i really does have some really terrible i feel like there's some some really good moments though and the pacing is fine i just feel like basically everything that george lucas is touched by himself or the ones that are in contention for worst um the things where he had no editing and that for me i i just i don't star wars just like at least the other movies have canon and like so much history and refinement of the source material to draw upon and star wars the first star wars just didn't have it and i don't have the the sort of nostalgia factor of it to sort of make me say well it did all this stuff first because i don't i don't give a shit yeah i think for me it's probably least favorite episode one most favorite is probably i mean the standard empire shakes back although i'm going to be honest i really like return to the jedi it comes in close to empire shakes back for me you know what i'm not gonna i like it so eat it i like empire and revenge of the sith i just like revenge of the sith a lot as well mainly i mean revenge of the sith still has some of the awkwardness of the other prequels but it comes the closest to just sort of the relentless bummer that empire strikes back often was with some hope here and there my my favorites definitely a new hope that's my favorite one by far but like my favorite lord of the rings was the first one too yeah like i like the way it sort of just set the stage you know i mean fellowship of the ring hums along better than any of the the sequels too so uh steven writes in and he says we've all lent out games to friends before let them play and then nag that on them for a week to give it back a week you're not being very nice um sometimes you get the game back sometimes you don't so my question is what are your guys worst like or best experiences about lending games that to other people mind would be lending out my black labeled final fantasy seven about six seven years ago and never getting it back like it's doing you a favor black labeled i don't know is that like rare like i'm unfamiliar with that so like first printing i mean i as opposed to the grand my opinion if you lend something out to someone that you don't know that well or someone you don't see on a regular basis you should assume you're never gonna get it back yeah i don't lend out anything that i i couldn't bear to not receive back but i mean i'm i'm pretty like most pieces of media i'm pretty detached from like i'm like oh this doesn't come back it doesn't come back so nothing really comes to mind i can think of the time one of my friends came over and stole my copy of links adventure for the nest and then brought it back like a month later so those are friends so this uh this guy would say continue the story he honestly like when we were in high school i'm not joking like he would he would pull sweets out of his fro he became yeah switcher sweets yeah like he hid them inside his fro yes for real for real i i would be surprised by that but i had a a friend in air quotes that took a safety pin and drove it through the bridge of his nose in class i wasn't there when this happened i just saw the aftermath talk about bro so the next letter is from dammy who writes in a lot he's the Nigerian guy the Nigerian Christian so he's so so this is another critical one but with an easy answer i promise okay what up gentlemen just wondering if you would ever consider making an edited podcast available for your listeners who want to listen to your podcast in the car around the house or at work they have spouses co-workers or children who don't need to hear all the swearing i fucking understand it's more work for you guys and you do so much already but i fucking implore you to consider it as i'm sure it would be awesome convenience to section your listener base i understand that it's it's just how you talk and it's you're fucking prerogative to do so but i really enjoy listening to your gaming needs and insight and the language is quite jarring to me it pulls me out of every fucking discussion because that is how not how my friends and i talk there's something you could ever consider a bleep or unbleeped version thanks for your time no danny didn't also dammy didn't actually put any of this work i'm not trying to make funny danny it's just no it's just the honestly that would the amount of work that that would take no i mean you're complaining about how much we sir now imagine how long it would take to cut all of that out and fuck is such a versatile word oh man but i think i think this guy has like a golden idea here we were missing the point guys what if we like went back and like overdubbed bad overdubs like you see when movies are brought man that's like trying to put hb o shows on on normal television it never fucking works uh i just i just really can't stand this hard game man you aren't such a sandwich maker your mom's a classy lady uh god i mean i understand that there's a market for that like the gears of war two had an option where you could turn off the profanity and violence i mean the blood anthony asks a hypothetical gaming question he says uh anthony he's speaking a third person he's yeah well that's what i do it's anthony from war in michigan he's uh this is something he's wanted to ask for a while and it's kind of a weird question i imagine this guy like sitting around in this toilet being like oh my god i need to send a name oh my god it's just like sitting there he's like and then he's like no i can't send out this email it's just fucking too radical and then he sends on it for like eight months all right shut the fuck up voice like the other right dog oh my god oh my god all right shut up in here man yeah he's watching online okay so i imagine you were just really the email and all of us i'll make fun of them for that i'm not making fun of them okay so imagine you're giving a difficult choice to make the choices that you have to abolish one consoles entire exclusive library for one year in other words you can't play any exclusive from that console for entire year starting august 24th oh there's another small detail you should take into consideration for the sake of the question you must assume that the period or release date for each exclusive as it is right now is the actual time of its release i would compile this but i'm too lazy discuss it amongst yourselves um yeah easy answer nintendo yeah true there you go this year easy yeah especially this year what isn't in what first party i mean if you if you maybe shifted it over to ps3 or 360 tomorrow galaxy 2 isn't coming out this year right no it's the new super Mario brothers uh yeah for weed that one is i mean i mean that's gonna be good i could live without that i could actually go and play a little big planet i'd rather have uncharted to or odst or fours of three or ratchet and clank assassin's creed too well that's not exclusive oh true duh um it doesn't seem like a big year for exclusive titles on either system actually this is a standard becoming standard fair for whatever the ask grub level of foam is opposed to ask gamey sections you mean deer abby deer abby what you're incompetent fuck it's uh so his name this is from adordo all right adordo says hey guys build this instance first episode love the show and all that i need a bit of relationship advice and figure you guys might have some creative or at least entertaining responses i've been dating the same girl for four years now and i've decided that it would be best if we part company for various ran this fucking very cut throw away to say it we best we part company for various reasons that i don't want to begin to go into she doesn't feel the same way however and this will probably come to her as this huge shock to her to make matters worse we've lived together for the last two years so our lives are very very intertwined anyway i've got a bleeding heart and i can't stand the idea of breaking her heart and i'd also hate for any of the progress she's made in her life school and work to backslide as a result of this still i've mostly come to terms with titty titty the fact that i shouldn't be sacrificing my life for hers and need to end it did you put that in or did that's what he says titty titty through some titties on a more selfish maybe that's his fucking problem on a more selfish tip she's jokingly made comments about trashing my stuff and cutting my balls off if i ever dump her i love my stuff and i'm pretty fond of my balls as well other than just manning up other than just manning up and hoping it doesn't get too bad do you guys have any ideas about how i can end this with the least amount of drama for all involved uh i think you can just gotta be straight up with there you should tell her to go on a vacation and move all your stuff out and then text and then just leave a fucking note once you get a note with enough money to pay rent for an ending a long-term relationship is there's no good way especially if you guys are living together and by intertwined you're implying things like bank accounts and chill yeah um yeah i mean at first i was gonna say well that's not a bad problem but then living together yeah okay so first of all if you have like intermingled bank accounts and stuff like that and you're afraid that she is going to flip the fuck out then maybe you need to deal with that or freeze them or something or freeze them or find it or like i mean maybe even talk to a lawyer if it's it almost is like you're fucking married to this person uh without some of the legal obligations but if you have joint stuff um but i mean but if this guy's just you know having anxiety about you know getting the whole thing going i mean i you know i have several friends who live with their girlfriends for a year or longer and you know they broke up i mean they move on you know people move on it might be weird um if you feel like she doesn't feel the same way and and wouldn't agree that you should break up and that's silly as that sounds that happens um you should have a contingency plan or even just a plan to leave as opposed to asking her to leave i guess my biggest piece of advice to if i were to throw a concluding thought from me from this would be like if you don't think you want to be in this relationship faking it isn't going to be good mm-hmm like yeah i mean uh you know at least she's taking the first step contacting us well no not that you know it seems like it seems like he's pretty decided that he wants to end it yeah um so i mean it's a shitty piece like even like breaking up when someone sucks yeah yeah i mean it's especially hard when they don't want to like it's not like a mutual thing right so i mean it's almost never a mutual thing right but usually even if it seems mutual initially but usually there are some relationships that can end where people are like fuck this i don't want to be in it and it's not even the benefit of that so uh you know we're uh we're uh some fucking ball protection when you're coming up i mean be true if you care about her and still want to be friends be prepared to give her as much space as she needs but know that if you're breaking up with someone the responsibility is on you to go out of your way to do the friendly relationship reestablishment like you can't expect them to come to you to do it yeah um the next letter to Jonathan he says he was browsing the latest is your game informer doesn't there's something about dicks in there somewhere and uh what game informer you know he's wanting he talks about medicritic and you know there's like this argument she wait game former dicks no i don't know i've just told on so so it is going to go this this this set you know does go into dicks though oh because it says uh you know he says he's talking about how sam is talking about the overall importance same kennedy of one up the overall importance of medicritic and you know he feels the medicritic doesn't translate one up dot com scores correctly uh and then but the mark dole co-founder medicritic retorts saying that the difference between a score 50 or 58 doesn't really matter if they both end up equaling crap um so he understands he understands where mark doils coming from because when you get down to a 70 houses 73 totally different from 75 but he says he also understands what sam is saying you know like a b minus can be different from a b uh you know and he asks us in the end he says uh what are your views on medicritic do you think any developers or publishers take any stock and what medicritic says yes they do uh yes a lot of people's based their the bonuses that pr people get based on overall scores uh their developers that reward their their development teams based on medicritic averages and medicritic in my pile in my opinion is a steaming pile shit i my to to elaborate on that a bit as opposed to just make big insults i don't think that medicritic makes any effort to do due diligence well that they're in correctly interpreting scores i was going to elaborate on that like it's it's overly reductive and they don't care because they're in a position where they don't have to even if ethically they should even working at games five where we use a five star system uh we regularly internally say that they fuck up our scoring system all the time like with the number that they assign that arbitrarily fuck up game spots scores so i'm just saying medicritic in my opinion is a shitty site you know when i was writing a lot of views for one up you know i gave a lot of c's and a lot of c minuses and they would get i think they would get fifties now i could be wrong but the way i would view it is that a c is more is more like the letter grade where c should be around like you know maybe high sixties yeah i don't know it just sex because i don't know when i think a c i think average because sites like medicritic do matter and and uh they end up putting extra pressure between say a site like one upper game spies publisher relationships because the publishers go off that number non-distorted in some ways i'd almost like to see rotten tomatoes do more is games because the way that movie reviews break down is generally so much more like binaural and that it's either yes see it or no don't or yes i liked it or no i didn't so yeah that that's yeah i mean that yeah that goes back to the whole like uh by try or deny or whatever i think medicritic can be good if you're looking for places to find reviews just like wikipedia is not necessarily a good place for perfect information but it's a good place to start to find a place yeah don't just go to medicritic and look at the numbers they give go look at the actual reviews themselves because you'll you'll find some disparaging like disparity disparity there yeah it's just i mean i hate medicritic i don't care i'll say that right i think it's a what they do sucks and fucks up a lot of people's things and they sit on their high tower and act like they're not having any effect and they are fucking that so fuck those guys man um the next letter is from kim wong i know we don't normally say last names but that just slipped out so too bad um sorry i just you know it slipped out i'm sure there's more than one kim wong she put it off you think like i so first allow me to engage in some bigger stick sucking okay i mean i that doesn't happen with me and girls very often so it could be a kind of well there are eight male kins well that's true well either way as long as i keep my eyes closed right um everyone's i'm also no rebel fm is as long as you don't feel like any like lip hair grinding against and you're like maybe this is a guy anyways rebel fm is a wonderfully entertaining show and i have happily pimped it to my as many of my friends as possible whether i definitely isn't a girl whether i agree with your individual opinions i am compelled to keep listening because i enjoy the banter thoughtful conversation and the ambient sounds of your neighborhood compelled it's just like funny that that's just become a word that might as well be the equivalent of like someone mentioning satan in like the sixteenth century right i just see who should not be named so um so this isn't the person that's right in a game or some jobs complaining about yeah that's devolving into pooping cats i write to you to ask if any of your personal politics have ever come up against your interest in a game this is one of the ones you forged me uh i found that i have to resolve this conflict recently i'm very interested in shadow complex but i loathe to financially support arthan orson scott card even tangently because of his homophobic views would you be able to discuss this on rebel fm so i guess this is one that's like it's hard right because i guarantee you i support lots of developers who share fucked up views compared to what my own but there's a difference between people who go out publicly and say that we should keep anti-homosexual laws on the books as a means to punish and force gays into normal behavior yeah i guess it's just and someone who when they go home turns on fox news i guess it's just tough though because warden scott card didn't make the game either you know but as tyler and i were discussing earlier today and this is just something that occurred to me today it i don't think it's just orson scott card like tangentially related to this game this is the second game the chair has done with orson scott card right but i mean may just because i have a working relationship they're also based in utah and not to shit on utah or mormons because i have met a lot of amazing mormons they're amazing people there is a certain i'm a lot of the money that went to fight to to support prop eight uh to ban gamer aging california came from utah so i have mormons in my face also just throwing this out there easy shit some of the pr people from chair on twitter and they are spelling off some pretty hardcore conservative talking points so the the fact it matters is i don't know it's hard like with peace and media right like that's like i mean it'd be one thing if the game itself spouted like it'd be easy for me to just be like fuck that game and definitely if it was like in the game was like gays are bad but i don't know i i'm kind of like i have this conflict to me too right where it's like a really good game and i want to buy i haven't bought it yet but i'm just and i especially i'm sorry well i was just saying it's like if you are a christian you like to have your metal would be like not liking a satanist metal band you know i mean it's like having issues with slayer yeah exactly you know or or to bring it to us more specifically as i was telling you earlier anthony as a vegetarian you will not wear leather right because of results and i mean because that cannot be made without the death of an animal yeah um and granted that is a more probably a more extreme example than orson scarred scott card's involvement in shadow complex it it is a similar thing where you have an issue do or how about you won't you don't like buying shampoo or personal care products that were tested on animals yeah results in the direct harm of animals i guess it's actually more in line it's actually more in line with how about i don't like to buy stuff if i know it was cooked on the same grill also true um you know it's like uh it's hard yeah because it's a person with convictions about that you know but this is like something that strikes right at home like right it's like a badass game that i want to play and therefore now it's like putting that and i mean i like this is the reason that i don't have shadow complex on my 360 right now it's because i'm having issues reconciling that and the suggestion i got from someone on twitter today there was so much like something out of a fucking erin sorcan tv show that i could not help but love it is that you should just donate money to a gay charity i guess it's kind of like as a carbon offset for your conscience like if someone offered me tickets to go see a football game right but it was like a football game michael vick was gonna be playing it like what i feel okay supporting that team with like sales tickets see my my thing with michael vick he only has a part in it as a as a tangential discussion my thing with michael vick is that michael vick went to prison and was stripped of millions of dollars like by our society's legal standards michael vick has paid his his price and now he's probationary on a football team right and i guess erson scott card's never done anything technically yeah i know we have not thrown orson scott card and jail for being a bat shit lunatic who hates gay people and yeah well i'm i mean i'm happy for that because no need to throw jail yeah no we never will like but the difference here it's not like it's not like shadow complex is a is anti homophobe propaganda at but the reality that that game is based on the book that that game is based on is pushing a very specific agenda and they're uh the first city that they're going to attack is san francisco yeah so um so i mean i it's it's and i know that just like it's i don't think it's quite as knee jerk as the resident evil five race conversation thing that happened but it's a similar thing in a lot of ways where people are saying it's just a game like it's not an issue it doesn't come up very much but it's still there no it's definitely i mean for me it is an issue because you know i don't even like to buy people meet products with my money you know what i mean like if i'm buying someone dinner like i i generally don't bring a lot of meat into the house because i know that anthony would prefer that there wasn't a ton of animal flesh in the fridge yeah i mean i haven't bought any yet either you know i don't think i don't think it occurred to you before this but now that we've been harping on it so much now is it kind of burrowing into your brain a little bit yeah well i just say i i always hate feeling like a hypocrite in any way shape or form and it's hard for me to to pay money to shadow complex without feeling kind of like a hypocrite i mean it'd be one thing if it was jess door's and scott card but the possible factors of the rest of the studio being there yeah i mean they're probably not just occurred to me today like that makes it more because when it was jess door's and scott card i was like i'd rather support the guys that made an awesome game right but if the rest of the whole studio is like that too it's kind of like yeah because our previous game was advent rising which is also written by arson scott card and which was kind of sexy right because i like the enders game i did it's a fun story yeah there was someone on twitter today that that told me that orson scott or the enders game will always be one of his favorite books from his childhood but after doing a quick google search about orson scott card they will never be giving him a dime again hey man i've you've heard even uh what's his face wrote good science fiction oh ron hovered you know but that doesn't mean i like that dude at all yeah um i'm not going to go out and buy diagnostics so uh i guess so yes the the answer is it does require deeper thought and discussion and i think shadow complex is the first game i can think of where it's really come up as as like the the political opinions of the creators has occurred to me as a reason not to buy a game but i mean like there's other stuff like replay i wouldn't buy yeah and it's just because like it'd be one thing like right like i've kind of surmised that maybe some of the people it or libertarians right and i don't agree with a lot of libertarian points of view but that wouldn't stop me from buying their game like you know what i mean same type because but let's say john karmack spent that five hundred thousand dollars a year instead of on rocketry he's did it supporting like the meat industry lobbies i might have a problem then you know but even that like i that's such a random thing donate to it's more like if if john karmack was donating money to like to the anti-gay marriage campaigns or things like that or like yeah but what if you're supporting it to the meat industry thing or something to take or to support the teaching of creationism in public schools yeah it's like that i have a hard time reconciling that and shadow complex is actually the first game i can think of where it's becoming an issue it doesn't really come up yeah because most of the time no to like most of the time these people like their issues they don't make their views known yeah i have it much more private but they've made such like they've just like harped on the orson scott card factor so much one orson scott card has never held back you know i mean he's like riana pratchett she's like a prolific writer in games but who knows but she believes about a lot of things i mean i can make some pretty educated guesses as to what riana pratchett thinks based on her father's writing but i'm just saying educated guesses is all you can do whereas orson scott card has made statements like that he is in favor of anti-sautomian laws as a means to to put gaze in their place and that's not that's discouraging to be gay yeah i'm i'm paraphrasing but i am not hyperbolizing that statement let's uh i will close out with a couple of uh like just short but something funny please uh so this letter is from from gdw uh that guy he says he says i just wanted to get your attention long enough to suggest it well he says that because of the title of the letters pc dash fat penis dash headset dash titty dash purchase dash fucking lips dash question dash fat titty fucking lips how could you not read that email that's why i said just wanted to catch your attention long enough to suggest a pc headset i could purchase i've been wanting a pc headset for a long time now since hitting some rough left for dead servers and i could really use the guided device that way it'll make a regrettable purchase i think i need the guys that make the art raiser spelled r-e-z-e-r like they they make a really nice like a surround sun headset that supposedly actually works really well i mean if you're looking for something cheaper and entry level like want to take generally makes good stuff and plantronics and plantronics mason you know the biggest thing you gotta watch out with any headsets problem i've been running into is pulling on him like getting up from the computer and having him clip to something yanking because eventually i mean that's just headphones in general i know i'm just saying i'm just saying that there are headphones that have like smart breakaways they're like 360 controllers you should look into that like in my opinion because it is a big enough issue for me that i've broken two headsets that way or you maybe if that's a real issue wireless is also a possibility that you could also do surround sound headsets i guess it's just i don't think any of us have put so much money into it that we're really like able to give you a specific answer other than logitech and plantronics is good entry level and that raiser said i was talking about are also supposed to be really good they're exponentially more pricey skull candy makes some decent gaming headphones as well i've heard a lot of people breaking their skull candy shit though yeah um so this uh that already looks on your face right now this one's really short it's just evan who is the guy that he says i'm the guy that wanted to clean toilets on the space battleship and i'd like to say that even i don't want to play operation flashpoint too unless unless paul yeah well yeah so uh it would not be possible for us to record this podcast with that list paul so i'm gonna i'm just gonna try and true ultimate frisbee never gets you laid and head massages went out over back massages i reckon always finally easier to start and they tend to escalate with much rapidity also it was tyler's first appearance that led thoughts led to thoughts on him being gay and i obviously wasn't the only one oh well he's the one who's laughing now i suppose that's all berry laughing in the sea of today hey um i feel like foot massage are actually i've given one foot massage in my life because those work up to calf massage and if you're smooth they work up to lower thigh massage but and once your thumb hits the inside of a girl's thigh and she lets it stay there that's a pretty good sign the thing is let me go i'm going to read this one because it's from john and uh john just makes a quick point i'll do this and i promise i'll find a happy one this isn't mad it's just that it it brings up a point that i said okay he says in an episode that i recently heard anthony takes a short moment to explain why he doesn't like the boy scouts as an active adult leader in my stepson scout group i wanted to explain that what anthony saw the scouts doing is against the scout law scouts are never supposed to be wearing their uniforms unless they are at an event that is officially sanctioned by the boy scouts of america and they are especially strict about this rule when it comes to political events anthony proves the exact reason that this rule is in place as many people feel very strongly about certain topics and the boy scouts taking a side on those dances could have a disastrous effect on their public image so um the scouts also went to the supreme court to to defend their right to exclude gays from the scouts so i i'm just saying that if but if it's not sanctioned by the boy scouts america as a whole organization what they're technically doing is wrong um what so that may have come from their skill leader expected true i had a my my geology professor in college um me and another student did this mapping project where we mapped faults in the navada desert and uh so we did a lot of bonding and uh found out my college professor was not a scout leader but what do you call it it was a and it's going to come out weird an indian princess leader like he has he had a daughter oh that it was like the female version of scouts it wasn't girl scouts it wasn't girl scouts no no it wasn't girl like he's like brownies yeah yeah sort of like brownies was something like that but it i keep coming back i know it's like not pc but i thought it was like indian princess i mean it could be could be i don't know somebody knows what that is but keep talking for a second i got it i got to get to my email for a second speaking i mean i the funny letter i'm going to call it i hate the word word i i know that i i don't think i don't have a problem with us being honest about our our beliefs like our moral and ethical beliefs and and in some ways our our politics i don't want this to become the show where we just talk about politics all the time but the shadow complex thing right it's pointing into gaming it is yeah it's pertinent because pertinent i mean i do think that there is a growing race there is a growing conversation among certain groups about warson scott card and the gaming subculture and the way that it reacts to to gay culture is such a like a touchy issue okay i found a uh a letter for us to end off and the ends and the funny note and we've also gotten a lot of emails recently from gay listeners who don't think we're homophobic and while i read the yes i there's times i just didn't read those because i mean it's ha ha ha it's it's mostly just dicksucking emails saying that but that and it's just like you know hey like we already know that we don't need to read a bunch of those to the listeners to like prove to them that look people think we're right but we appreciate the kind words very much especially after last week where we were as like so what while i read this um you guys should think about the two letters that stuck out the most you to give codes to um deer steamed colleague in the fight for leprechauns well against leprechauns but that's okay i have made a worrying discovery that may just saddened the few who have been enduring the fight against the devilish green wearing baby killing gold whoring rebel fm haters that are the leprechauns they hate rebel fm now they find us out well that's this i do a lot of people theorize that the hate emails we get are generally from leprechauns writing it you know as a slanderous campaign it's like leprechaun astroturfing against rebel fm basically yeah they're taking it to like a grass loot roots levels of campaign against us because we're spreading the word anyway like t t parties this discovery will be exactly this discovery will bring the department i would lovely t party this discovery will bring the department of anti leprechaun safety leprechaun meter up to one what i found is that i believe oh that's a t-shirt what i found is what i believe to be the hideout of some of the most devious green midget marauders what is location well it is the irish shop now let me ask how such how let me ask how whoa okay now let me ask how could such a useless shop stay in business well of course by funding of the menace of the mix between blue and yellow and since no one ever goes here it would be a perfect place to hide a secret leprechaun operation google map says their phone number is blank 6665855 please notice the three consecutive sixes so he's saying that the irish shop is a front for a terrorist a leprechaun terrorist cell yeah he's like they never do any business how do they stay open because they're getting money laundered so you go in the back and there's just all sorts of like parts of gold and leprechaun's shining shoes yeah like there's a lot of shoe buckles and good yeah the seemingly normal sized human quote unquote manning the quote unquote register is actually like two leprechauns like one standing on the other in the trench coat yep it's always staring at your shoes when you come in like most people don't notice what shoes you're wearing but they always do for some reason like they're like hey tyler nice shoes i'd like to clean those sometime oh stay seance so he says i have not yet attained a photo as i am scared for my life to take one but i will do all that i can someday to obtain it i pray for our lives p-factor secretary of antileprechaun safety yes sucking of the penis and theoretical second dick uh is a common misconception that irish shops are pro leprechaun but they're actually on the forefront of the war against the greens yeah i you know i think that uh in some ways they have to get over that that stigma but this one the way you're describing it could very well it's just like everyone thinks that every muslim is a terrorist yeah it's just not the case there's some extremists there's some extrema leprechaun in fact one of the ways to kill a leprechaun is a hammer with a four wave clover or a chilelli yeah as portrayed on our shirts yeah exactly i wonder if there are any leprechauns that are like torn you know some defectors yeah how do you think we have all our intel those become gnomes many leprechauns many leprechaun defectors died bringing this information it's the reason shows like david the gnome they're trying to portray them in a positive light because once they switch over to being gnomes they gain the ability to do things like control animals ride foxes the reason that travelocity gnome goes all over the place is to avoid the leprechaun hit squints yeah i mean that's actually a reason that people put garden gnomes in their front yard for a long time actually came from the fact that they were trying to say that they support like uh leprechaun defectors and that they were like basically part of the underground railroad to help leprechaun defectors get out of Wyoming they were until you just exposed them right now well that's been a long known fact anyway so just the next time you see a garden gnome you should give that person the nod working the people find you in the internet uh i guess i was on the game spider briefing this week as we all were yeah um you can see the video i put together for our first episode of the heavenly sword game club um it's a game as well as wallpapers yeah what's our youtube channel called youtube it's just uh i think it's just youtube.com slash a e g a s where you can see all the other videos are they're done as well i mean i guess i could do a rebel if i'm specific youtube show a g i s works too also uh letters go to our uh to uh letters at eat sleep game dot com eat dash sleep dash game dot com and you can find me at twitter.com slash a e g i e s so i'm thinking uh the two codes go to uh that guy who wrote the leprechaun letter and to kim i was thinking that so oh weapon of choice doesn't hate the gaze kim oh see i was kind of thinking we need to send a an olive branch to the guy who was sort of defending you know using some derogatory terms just to be like you know can change you know think about changing your ways but those other two people wrote the thread letters they did yeah maybe if we had three codes but we don't because Anthony used one i used one yes me too it's like if we had three twinkies for the anthony eight one um so where can the internet find you tylor twitter.com/dirtytee um and writing news on game spider.com and news and on the game spider breeding podcast where you can find all of us and it was pretty much a rebel box yeah i don't know i think i'll be on the next uh area five dot tv you know co-op for just talking little king story so you should definitely check out co-op on area5.tv or on revision3.net so calm i do that every week revision3.com/co-op for somebody that i think it's a net so you know they're a legitimate web operation they have a column um and then my twitter is twitter.com/chefmoney and if you're ever in the open area you can find me and aren't there's residents by being you know out there in front of you thanks for listening i can stand up straight i am all right i can get you off my mind i am all right i can stand up straight are you all right? can you get me off your mind? can you get me off your mind? can you get me off your mind? - Thanks. 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