Rebel FM
Rebel FM Episode 23 - 07/02/2009
It's a three man show that falls off the rails into the land of off-topic-ery often this week as Anthony, Tyler and Arthur talk about Fight Night Round 4, more Call of Juarez BiB, and the historical irony of Anthony's most recent Civ 4 excursion. Then it's on to games that surprised you (in a good way!) and letters. Big boned glans!This week's music, in order of appearance:Year of the Rabbit - VaporizePJ Harvey - Naked CousinCyndi Lauper - Time After Time
You are now in possession of the rebel captain. Thank you. Welcome to Rebel FM. I just implugged the power cable to the MacBook when I... I'm gonna set down. Alright, we're back. This is Rebel FM, episode 23. I am one of your hosts, Anthony Gallegos with GameSpy.com and EatSleepGame.com with me is Arthur Geeze and Tyler Barber of EatSleepGame.com. You're like dragging that E in my last name. Geeze? Yes, like the flock of birds. Geeze. Geeze. With a more varied vowel selection. No, not really. They're like Arthur Karate uniform. Kinda. We're here to talk about video games. Just want to... Ostensibly. Just want to play video games. Have you ever told Jane that you did that, that you mangled her masterpiece? No, it's not Jasmine and Jane's masterpiece at all. That's by a band called Blackout. Three 11 year olds. How sad is it that I know that they're 11 years old? They're like three 11 year old kids that do a song called Video Games. And I just go... Just want to play video games. Just want... It sounds like Bob Dylan's. Just want to be a fool. Yeah, it's really bad. Anyways, it's one of those videos. I'm glad that I didn't have to say anything, but my expression... That's one of those videos that's passed on by Sean Elliott. Really? Yeah. Sean, passing something on that's not quite of substance? Well... Yeah. Sean's Twitter is a source of comedic things. And sometimes it's disgusting things. It's a repository of filth and infamy. No, sometimes it's a repository of shameful shit too. Like shameful stuff that our country does. So... Yeah, some of it's... Yeah. Like the guy saying... Halle Berry! Halle Berry! And then, like, some Louisiana fucking state legislator. So... That guy, um... Tull_cover. He has a lot of good twists too. Yeah, Sean re-tweets a lot of what that guy does. His name is Mark. Oh. He doesn't have a lot of followers, but he should have more. Yeah, you keep us a lot of funny shit. If you want someone entertaining and don't mind your feed being occasionally inundated by 75 posts by one dude... Yeah. It's Toll_T.O.L.E._ cover. Yeah. And it's on my levels that bad. He posts some hilarious shit. I just want you yours to be more equal with me and Tyler's. And I think part of the problem might be that your mic is, like, totally, like, not vertical-like cars. You're just facing you rather like a phallic thing heading towards your mouth. So... I have to position it how I'm comfortable with it. Yeah. So let's talk about games we've been playing. And... I mean, I don't want to go first. From penises to games. That is sort of our podcast in a nutshell. We did a game night the other night with the few of the listeners. Well, what? Let me get any listeners. Well, we had two different game nights. Okay, so the Halo one was good, and thanks for everyone that came out and played. That was rad. After sending out the bat signal on Twitter. Right. That's what we call it now. The bat signal. I mean, Tyler was like, "We should play with people." And so, we made it happen. Yeah. It was nice because eventually we had enough people we could do our own matches custom. Yeah, we were just in private. Which is good because if you don't own all the maps kind of pain the ass to play at this point. It is so. If you own all the maps occasionally, it's kind of a pain in the ass. I don't know why I kept on telling Arthur he didn't own map packs. And he totally does own all of them. I think the one map that I didn't have on my hardware was called Storage. Right. Which is why I was telling you you couldn't play certain playlists. The nice thing about Halo 3 is that you can go into the marketplace directly from the game as opposed to having to back out all the way. Like you can just hit the back button or whatever and go to the marketplace. Right. And most games nowadays also just have like a marketplace button. Yeah, but you've got to back all the way out of like the multiplayer lobby or whatever. Yeah. Well, I think Halo is one of those games where they realize multiplayer and online content is a bread and butter for that game. Other games not so much. So, yeah, we did that and that was fun. I mean, playing Halo. That was definitely the funnest time I've ever had playing the zombies game type because I've never. For me it always felt like a novelty game because I never was in a room big enough to where everyone was sort of playing along. Yeah, that was the only time I've ever done it too. It was literally in saying like we were on the Valhalla stage. And there were times where if I was like the last three survivors you would just see a horde and it was like am I playing Halo left for dead? You know, like where you see a horde of like zombies with swords coming over that middle hill. I think it's fun although it still feels like a novelty thing. It's like a palette cleanser in between normal matches of Halo. But then the better the better game night was the Tyler and Anthony night of GTA 4. GTA 4 dude, just going and playing free mode. Anthony and I said like we first wanted to just like a free mode where they had friendly fire turned off. Yeah. And like the whole fun is just like fucking with people. So we left that room and found this other room with these guys. And I guess they were calling themselves like a gang or whatever. They were taking it like so seriously. Really? That's almost sadder than like people who are trying to represent in Call of Duty 4. Like people in Grand Theft Auto saying they're a gang. Man, yeah, they were talking some shit. Like they were coordinating some stuff like trying to I guess team up against everyone else in the room. But Anthony and I, we weren't really communicating it. But I could tell we were on the same like wavelength. We were hunting out the sniper rifles and like getting far away and like taking pot shots at them. And they'd be like oh to fuck up to fuck up their spawn system. That was the whole point because the spawn system that games totally fucked. Where everyone spawns in one spot. So then once we broke them that we could just sit there and kill them over and over and over again. And it's so funny because every time we would spawn just to know we were there you'd always be like boop, boop, boop. But like super loud in the mic. In the mic to the point where we were just peeking the whole time. Man, they kept getting pissed and like leaving the game. And so Anthony and I would just wait like 10 minutes to follow them. Into the next game. God bless you Xbox 360 recent players list. And then they'd be like oh purple's back. Purple go get purple dog. Yeah. And we'd get in the car together and drive by. We'd skip. No you guys seem to prefer the motorcycle. Well we'd just get on anything we could roll together. Yeah. You really seem to prefer the motorcycle. There were a few times. It was a much more intimate driving experience. Yeah. Yeah it was good. I mean. I love, I love the GTA Online in the free mode though. We need to, I would love to get some more going. Get a big gang. Just totally dominate some room. Yeah me too. I actually like, I should write those dudes names down so that we can find them like months from now when they're still playing. Roll in there with the fucking goon squad. And have everyone doing it like mandatory. Like when you join the server. That's the first thing you do. So it's like staggered. And you just have people like jump in and then as soon as they die they leave the game. Some more people came in. I would, you know the one thing I wish that after playing it that I kind of wish GTA did was I kind of wish that it had like a sound that was based on how close you are to people. So that when we drove by I'm all fast doing a drive by we could be like boop boop boop. You like the fade away. You brought it in. You brought the tough wear effect conversation in. Well there are some games that do it really well. They have it based on how close you are whether or not you can hear them and stuff. I mean Halo does that to an extent. Yeah. That would just be so cool. Especially when you're fucking with people like that. So I like it. You know another game that has a Doppler effect is Second Life. And in Second Life you could download songs that you could play and everyone had to hear. So when we used to roll around in there we'd roll into like a sex club that was filled with people. And someone had somehow bought the Vanga Boys song. And it would just loop. And so he connected a bus to himself because he had bought a bus and you could connect it to your body. So he was walking around this bus was like tilting up and down. All broken with his movement. So you'd see this bus. These things are huge too. In the club. And so you'd just see it from a distance. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. As he'd fly by with his bus sticking out of his body. That's fucking awesome. Those are the times when the Doppler effect is red. And then you'd see people typing like "Who are these idiots?" They're eating my good time. And we'd all just be like "It's so cool. Just dance to it." Thank God. I just wanted to come home, get into my sex club and second life. Yeah. Some jackass. Who are we to judge? Who are we to judge? I didn't say anything about him. I didn't say anything about him. I said they were in a sex club. But I'm judging them. Exactly. I didn't say I was judging them. I mean, I am. But I didn't say. Yeah, I look at porn too. I'm just saying that when I'd be watching that, it'd be like... You're saying that you don't roll a twenty side of die while you watch? Yeah. I just use my imagination. Anyways. I've played some Civ 4 this week. Wait. Where are we? Is it Tyler talking about? No, we just did some game clubs. Some game things. Well, do you want to keep talking, Tyler? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. You know what? I mean, it might be cool to like kind of skip around. Because I do have some more games that I could talk about. But let's... Yeah, I wasn't saying that you were done by this game. Let's give the people what they want. Tell us about your ass beating and so forth. Yeah, it was the first time I've ever lost. And not only did I lose, but I lost in the first 30 minutes. What? When were you playing Civ 4? Now that's 30 minutes in Civ where you're pounding the enter button to go through turns and stuff too. So really, if I'd sat there and watched everything, it's really long. But I played last night. I started the American Empire under FDR. And you know, the first city we established was Washington, for whatever reason. Like, I know it's our capital, I guess, but... It wasn't originally. Yeah, so the second city I established was New York. Because the first thing I do in Civ a lot of times is I build a city and then I... And then I just sit there. Well, they have preset names. You can read any of them. No, I know, I know. So I just sat there and the first thing I do is I try and crank out settlers to like... Spam myself across the map really quick to get land grab as much like area as possible. So that like, by the time I want to expand, it's not like I'm losing out to everyone. The problem with that though is that I didn't roll out very much military production because I was too busy making settlers. And meanwhile, like... I was playing on the continent of Africa, by the way. So I was on the western coast of Africa, kind of like on the part where it widens out. Like right by the desert in the northern part, but just where it comes down to the... Where it gets thinner. So I was like right there and so I was bordering a desert. So I was just trying to land grab all like the fertile soil around me, leave the desert alone. And I expanded and I didn't build up very much military. And then all of a sudden, for whatever reason, the... I made peace with everyone and then all of a sudden the rebels decided to attack. Like the non non like they don't have a faction or anything like that. They're just bandits basically. The only version of Civ, Civilization I played is Civ Rev. Where they're fucking barbarians. Yeah, so they're like there's sort of the barbarians. Yeah, and it first one rolled in and I was like it's not the end of the world. And then they took Washington and I was like, but I only had one unit on there to protect it. So it wasn't the end of the world. And I was like okay, well Washington fell a bit. I still have plenty and I can just build up. I started gearing myself up military to get up there. But then like all of a sudden it was like enemies have been spotted near Boston and Atlanta. And I was like what? And I looked and it was like a horde of... Like I've never seen this happen. Like the AI sent like 20 units at me including archers and stuff before I even had archers. It was a horde of Mongolians. Yeah, so they just swept me off like down to, they just took me out one by one. And then right behind them Japan came in and took the cities from them after they... So they would let the barbarians take it from me. And then Japan would come in and very efficiently take them and open up Honda plants. Where it once was GM. God damn. It was such a multi-facetedly clever statement. So they very efficiently came in. So yeah, so they would come in and take that shit. So eventually I was down to just Boston. So I started building up Boston to be like the coolest city. So like by the end of the era I was in I was even though I only had one city and everyone else had a bunch. I still had the greatest civilization. Just because my one city of Boston and all the area around it was so much more developed than anyone else. Like I had roads everywhere. You were like Atlantis? Yeah, I was like this one little city very proud. And you know, once I got down to one city all the other races like the Koreans and stuff kept on trying to pressure me into taking on Confucianism. And so just keeping that American mindset I kept on saying, you know, take your religion and shove it. We like our way better. Which at the time was no religion. And then eventually Buddhism naturally spread. So I let that stay. Because it came naturally. You know, whatever. And so then I just started building up a crazy amount of military guys. But they were all still like club guys and bows. And I started getting increasingly alarmed because all the countries around me had basically boxed me in. At this point and they were all rolling around with riflemen and stuff like that. So we're Americans but it was kind of like, I don't know. You know, the opposite of the way maybe certain wars America's been involved in where the other sides are severely under. Because we were like, we were severely under equipped this time. And Germany has like sort of as if the US population in general today had to actually fight. Yeah. And so Germany in general kept on making all these like really high pressure demands on me. Like they would just be like, because they were bordering me and they knew I small. So they'd just be like, give me optics like the technology. And I'd be like, and they wouldn't want to give anything a return. And I'd be like, go F yourself. And so then eventually everyone kept on saying like we demand you break off all your deals with the Germans. And I was like, done. Because for some reason, you know, in real life history is thinking to me, I was like, fuck Germany. I don't really mean that in real life. But I'm just saying, you know, that's the mindset I was going for. Because Germany was being so aggressive. I like how you role play. You play too. And so, and so eventually everyone all of a sudden in one turn declared war on Germany. Like everyone at once, Japan. This really is like bizarre world. And so since everyone declared war on Germany, I did too. Because I was like, this is my chance to get a piece of that pie. Like when everyone invades and starts covering up Germany, I can go and attack like their weakest city and see if I can make this work. They stepped on you. And it was a good chance to get in and go with Japan I figured. So when I made war against Germany, all of a sudden Germany with everything I had invaded America. And so I just hoarded all my guys within the city and watched as they didn't even attack the city. They just went around it and blew up every like farm and like little township and stuff first. So all the people in the city had to watch as everything that they worked hard to build up was destroyed. And then eventually Japan rolled in with some forces, fought one quick skirmish and then made peace with Germany. And then Germany kind of backed off, but then all of a sudden Spain decided to attack me too. And so in the end, the Americans ended up falling to Spain. That is embarrassing. So let me ask you something. You said like your location on the map was like where Africa was? No, the whole map was Africa. The whole map? Yeah, like the whole game was based on the continent of Africa. Wow, so the PC, the original version sort of their actual land masses. You can play actual land masses and then you can play like fake made up worlds. I chose to play on Africa. And I was playing Civilization Warlords actually so that there were like additional people to play like Vikings were also on the land mass that I was on. Oh, okay, cool, yeah. But I mean, yeah, like I only lasted into like the medieval era. It was when I was wiped out. So, you know, I built up a lot of technology and stuff, but it just basically I should have just quit and restarted. But I wanted to roll with the punches and see how that one played out. Badly. Yeah, basically. I mean, it's like bizarre world where America didn't kick the shit out of Germany in Japan. So, America. Fuck no. Yeah, I mean, if only I could have worked my way up to nuclear warfare, then I could have seen how things went. You would have been like North Korea. I could have been, yeah, like that little rogue country with nuclear weapons that's always like getting ready to drop in a nuclear option. Kim Jong Roosevelt. Yeah. So. Ahmadinejad? Yeah. I would have made all those bitches pay. They would have been killed by someone with polio. I can't. Eat it. You could have weaponized polio. Yeah, well, if only you could make biological weapons at the point where I was surrounded like that by Germany, I would have dropped it on my own people. Oh, Jim Jones. I'd be like, "You're going to take this place, but you guys are going to be here for fucking generations." You pull all the people that you want to keep into your city and you infect every township. Well, we were on the coast, so really what we should have done is just left behind a bunch of fucking dirty bombs ready for them to find when they were doing the occupation and then rolled off with the most important people off of Austria. So. Off to Africa. So. Seeking asylum in one of our countries like Japan or something like that, right? Just for our most high-powered officials. Oh, yeah. So. And then just laughed from our hotel rooms in our new foreign countries as they found dirty bombs. So. In German children were dying. Moving on. Um. Yeah, so I played some Civ. And then she did. And I also played the Overlord Wii game. I mean, ironically enough, you spent almost as much time talking about playing Civ right now as you did during that match. Yeah. I played Overlord Wii as well. Which is pretty good. If you haven't played an Overlord game and all you own is a Wii. I think it's one of the- and honestly, as far as Wii games I've played, it's probably one of the better ones out there. It controls really well. The story's funny. It's still written by Rehana Pratchett who did the other ones. The original Overlord and Overlord II. And. Could you recommend it over the conduit? The conduit, yeah. I mean, I think the conduit's not a bad game. But it's no- I mean, Overlord is good. Like, Overlord is a little easy at times. Like, you can- anybody that's a pretty competent gamer is going to be able to get through it without an issue. It's a reward for babies. But it's still a fun experience. Start to finish. Like, even if you don't have- you don't have to be challenged necessarily have- like, still have fun with it. It's still really fun. I didn't like that, uh. There was no real option to be evil. Like, they did everything, like, under the guise that you were doing evil. They would always tell you you're doing evil. But you couldn't, like, kill civilians. Like, you could in the other Overlords. And it was just, like, instead it would be like, oh, you need to kill the bandits that are terrorizing the civilians. Because if you don't, then there won't be anyone left to worship you. But really, you were just being, like, a knight and saving the people. You know, stuff like that. Instead of- instead, yeah, I would have liked it. I mean, the only closest thing I ever did to evil was there was a guy that was putting up anti-overlord posters. And so I beat the crap out of him. But I didn't kill him. I didn't get to kill him. It seems like the worst shit you do, you do your minions. Yeah. I mean, basically your minions are the ones that you- you can turn them into suicide bombers now. Or grab them by the throat and shake them. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's how you turn them into a suicide bomber. Oh, really? You shake them and, like, infuse them with magic and then they- they run off and- and detonate themselves. So you get them just to the point of climax and let them do a free? Yeah, it's kind of- it's kind of like I filled them with fucking- with Overlord propaganda where they're ready to die for me and then they go do it. So, um, and then depending- This has been, like, sort of tiptoeing around scary places. This conversation today. Right. Yeah, and so, uh, yeah, basically in all these games, I'm, like, uh, you know, manipulative, uh, overlord, you know, in all these games. And games. Yeah, but not in real life at all. In real life I let other people walk all over me. So. Wha-wha-wha. So I guess this is where I take out all that fucking anger and frustration. At least, you know, could it get- it could be worse. I'm not walking around with a shotgun, having, like, uh, what was that movie? Falling down. Falling down, yeah. Yeah. Having to falling down more right as part of my car on the 101 and just get out. And I'm like, I'm gonna- I'm gonna shoot someone today. Right? So walk on. I heard, uh, David Ellison listen up last week lamenting the absence of drinking alcohol and urinating in the Wii version of Overlord. That's true. I guess there is never, like, it's pretty common tea, I think, in the other Overlord games. It's pretty common. It's pretty common. I would actually be surprised. I think the other Overlords are probably rated teen, I bet. I don't know. I don't know. It's- there was- there were- 'Cause you killed people, but in the other Overlord, there's no blood. There were- there were insinuations made that it was, like, a- Unless drinking is something that gets you to instant- Eh, I don't know. Yeah, or- or no, I don't think so. So- I think, like, drugs would get you- Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're- it isn't that big a video. I mean, your minions don't ever drink that often, but when they drink, they do get, like, a strength bonus. But at the same time, you'll temporarily lose control of them when they start vomiting. So- Uh, I'll see. I- I just thought the pissing is- Yeah, or when they have, like, pee on some, you know- Yeah, and they do stop and pee, yeah. So. But, yeah. Yeah. But Overlord Wii, good? Yeah. I mean, I would direct mine- It's a compromise if you don't have a next gen- I would direct mine by it, and if you own the other Overlords and just want another Overlord story, I'd say get it, but I would probably myself, if I was going to actually go out and purchase- I would wait until it was, like, 30 bucks. So. 'Cause it's probably, like, 40 or 50 right now. I would imagine it's 50, like, every other week. Yeah, so I would wait until it's, like, 30, which probably won't be that long 'cause- I don't know, I- I- I don't foresee that game selling particularly well. To an audience on Wii. I mean, it's not like a- it's not like the original one came out to the first Overlord on Wii. It seems like it's actually- I don't know, something about it seems like it's well tailored to the audience that we suspect- It is tailored to the- to the Wii audience, in my opinion. But I'm saying that I just don't know that the face value of it is going to be enough to sell to people on the Wii. Yeah. Like, people that go in and look at the wall shelf are going to be like- Mmm. I mean, maybe if it had, like, a really strong advertising campaign on TV- Right. Yeah, I just- I just don't think that it's going to do well. Neither do I think the DS one, which is a fucking abomination is going to do well. So. It'd be nice to the console and Sidwell. I mean, I- I- the first one did pretty well. Yeah. To warrant that many sequels. I can't- I- the first one probably didn't cost them as much money to make, either. I mean, I don't know, I don't think Codemasters is like other publishers that, you know, picks up games necessarily that are bajillions of dollars. As much as other companies are spending, obviously. So. But yeah, beyond that, I haven't really played that much. I play the Wii Sports Resort this week. How was that? Uh, I had fun beating the shit out of Ryan with the swords. I mean, you know- Okay, well, if it weren't Ryan Scott. No, it was still fun. I mean, the- the archery is probably the coolest one to do. Like, even just doing the archery, it's pretty fun. To the point where I- I can say that Nintendo's probably suckered me again. Like, I'll probably buy one. Just 'cause it- and it does come with the Motion Plus thing. How much is the game? I think- I think it's 50 bucks and it comes with the Motion Plus. So. I mean, that's how they- that's how they're gonna get you. So, expect to see that on the NPD tops for like months on end. Yeah, yeah, for good two years. So. Yeah, I mean, I venture, I guess, that shit's gonna top a million this month. I don't think it's how yet. Motion Plus? Oh, no, I'm saying Wii Sports. Wii Sports Resort. Wii Sports Resort. Well, it's July. It comes out this month, right? I guess. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just playing it like on the Nintendo lockbox. There's a sky-diving game. There's a sky-diving game. That's okay. I mean, yeah, there's- it's just like you tilting your body while you fall. That's just your introduction to the island. Right, but the- the bone arrow is easily like the coolest one, just 'cause, you know, pulling back and- What about one-to-one fencing? How is that? Oh, it's not really- it's not really fencing. It's more like- 'cause the guy holds- it's more like a samurai fighting with a stick. You know, like the one- It's like using Vulkan or CNI. Yeah. And so it's just kind of like- it's hard to actually, like, be really good at it and not just fucking- Be like Luke when he's killing Darth Vader, you know, and he just sits there and does that one swing over and over again. Yeah. When he's like giving into his hate to beat up Darth Vader. So that's like how I typically win against Ryan. Sometimes I would shake my wrist. Like, like as fast as I could. Like I was trying to jiggle. Like a- That doesn't look like a jiggling motion you're making. Well, you know, like imagine like a- Look like a spastic masturbator. No, no, you're masturbating. You cannot masturbate side to side. It's not a side to side wrist motion. We've already had this conversation. It's not even up and down wrist motion 'cause no one masturbate with their wrist unless your dick angles like a half circle. You've done the research, eh? I'm just saying, well, having masturbated furiously many times in my life, you know, it is a whole arm motion. Like next time someone meets me in person, I hope that they look down at my forearms and see that there is a distinct difference between my right and left one. I mean, I'm gonna have to get my tattoos on my forearms scaled to different sizes just so that they don't look or- (laughter) Like, why does the one on your left arm take your whole left arm up and the other one on your right arm seems like a penny. Well, my friend. Let me type it the last time I had a girlfriend. So, not that I'm saying all girls are is a fucking, you know, life support for vagina. But, um, 'cause they're not. But I'm just saying. You are a man. You're like, just digging yourself such an elegant whole. No, actually, I was just thinking about like- Hopefully- Like, put your penis in. Like, how good? Yeah. How, you know, just the term master being furiously is such a funny term. And then I was thinking about Dane Cook and how he talks about how sometimes when he's masturbating, you know, furiously, I think he said, going bananas on himself. That he thinks like sometimes he's like, "You have that moment where you feel like you might change into a werewolf." (laughter) You start breathing hard and looking off in weird direction. (groans) And you're just like, "I feel like you're growing a snout." (laughter) I was like, "Yeah, I've had a few of those." Oh, man. Anyway. Today. Oh, man. I wish. But I was working, so... I am not quite ready to breach that line yet. (laughter) I'm sure that the IGN people listening are glad to hear it. Yeah. No, we can, the bathroom is still safe. Yeah. Does it get a little jerk before work? (laughter) What is that from? It's from some movie, god damn it. Place it now. Jerk before work. Yeah, I mean, my life's been pretty much dedicated to playing Overlord. So... Getting that little bit of sieve time and GTA time with Tyler was basically my break. And the last night. Oh yeah, I guess last night we played some Rainbow Six. The first time in a long time. Original, because the second one is inferior, in my opinion, to the first one. Vegas? Vegas 2. Vegas 2 is not as good. It's a quintessential example of the Ubisoft A-Team/C-Team scenario. Yeah, where they like put out a sequel. I put in quotations within like eight months or nine months of the first one. It was 18 months, give or take, or 15 months. It was over a year after the first one? Yeah, because the first one came out in November of 2006 and the second one came out. I guess in a prime example, that was Graw 1 and Graw 2, where it was like nine months prior. That was 18 months too. Was it really? Or 15 months. It was between 15 and 18 months. Oh man. Which is still... Well, the game came out like it was nine months prior. I mean, you have to think that two years is a normal development cycle for a game, so to put something out 15 months later. You're like, either that is stuff left over, or they were... Yeah, I just feel like Ghost Recon 2 came... It just felt even technologically inferior in a lot of ways. Like maybe at times it might look better, but... I thought Graw 2 looked hell of a lot better than Graw 1. Graw 2 is different. I thought Graw 2 looked better, but I still thought the game that you went and played through the story and the events that were presented in Graw 1 were better than 2. True. And the same thing applies to Rainbow Six Flags. Rainbow Six Flags as well, yeah, the story and everything was in the maps were cooler. And the Terrorist Hunt, which is what me and Arthur typically do, was better in Part 1 than in Part 2. The Part 2 just kind of was like... It became much more punitive and way harder and... Extremely hard. Like, we still die a lot playing Terrorist Hunt in the first one, but it's possible with the two-man force. I mean, playing when you get tired of that game, because playing with more people... I have it. You have the first one? Yes. We know what we're doing tonight. Yeah, 'cause playing that game with a group of people is always hilarious, 'cause like, but with two people, me and Arthur basically take on different roles. Arthur plays as the guy that shoots people from a distance and I run around with the heaviest body armor possible in a shotgun. So... And Arthur... I bait people. And Arthur is really good at hearing things, like positioning... Yeah, Arthur keeps this round sound up higher than I do, and his round sound is better, so Arthur can pick up all that stuff way. Yeah, that sounds fun, 'cause like, I know every time I ever try to play Terrorist Hunt and get my ass kicked. Did you do it by yourself, or? Probably. Yeah, it's so much better. You need extra people, because basically, in the way it works in the first one, there are monster closets where guys literally... You'll see him spawn in. Yeah. And so, they'll come from behind and in front, so you've got to have someone that can watch your back. Like, even when we play two-player and like, Arthur dies and I'm by myself, there's like ten guys left. The only way I make it through is because Arthur can talk to me, and Arthur tells me like, through surrounds and like... There's a guy behind you, so I know, like, by hearing. Or give him like, vague positional data, like, I'm pretty sure there's a guy behind that cooling tower, or there's someone above you, or something like that. Right. That's another, that's a game where sound is done phenomenally well. I like that game a lot, I just never really... I tried the multiplayer a couple times, and I recognize that it is good, but... It's just so hardcore, like, out of the way. Yeah, it is that hardcore, so calm, sort of, you know, you get... And if someone has a beat on you... I mean, if you're playing terrorist hunt where you're playing against a computer, that's one thing. But when you're playing against people in a game like that, and you die really quickly, and the respawn time sucks, it's just frustrating. The only thing they ever pissed me off about terrorist hunt in the first Rainbow Six Vegas was that you can't snake camp under doors. Yeah, there's that. That kind of makes sense, because it would tear you... It would show you, like, things spawning or... Exactly, and terrorist hunt too, it's not like they spawn and sit in a room and let you plant an attack, because as soon as they spawn, they're just aggressive as fuck. Uh, occasionally you'll find him just chilling, but they see you, like, within milliseconds, and we'll unload on you. And we'll chase you, if you try and run, so... That game also has... because we are sadistic bastards, like, the Giggle Factor is extremely high when you throw an incendiary grenade into a room full of people. And the screams are so long. Yeah, you know who else has really good fire death screams is, was, I thought, the first overlord. Like, when you set a field on fire or something, and there's, like, farmers... I thought you were talking about when minions catch on fire, because they still do that and die. They'll be like... That's a great impression. Yeah. Yeah, I want to do voice acting, so give me a job. There you go. But I remember there were a few times... You're greedy! You've got a job already. It's true. Hey. Bob. But, uh, yeah. Rainbow Six good. Um... This knocked over our potato wedges. We're fucking living the high life here. Uh... We should play that tonight, Tyler. Yeah, so what else have you been playing right there? Uh, well, I also played Rainbow Six Vegas a few, which was good. Uh, if we do play, you can see my face mapped onto my character. Cool, I... You can see the flashbang as he's been... It's not as bad, though, in my opinion. I think mine is still... I think I should still have mine as well. Somehow, I think my opinion of it is softened, because when I looked at it last night, it wasn't quite as bright. Like, I don't know. It was like your guy went and got a somber in a few times to get a tan. Although, I saw, like, your fight night custom character. Man, it looked funny. Oh, yeah. That was not as good as Arthur's. Maybe just because it was bloody... Tigerwood custom character who looked like... Who looked like an African-American that was out by now. Oh, no. I see. I disagree with you. I don't think that my... Tigerwood's character looks like that. But the reason that the fight night character looked so weird is because... I decided to try something, which was I drew... Like, front and side portraits. Whoa. And uploaded those to the EA website, because you can do that now. Yeah. Whoa. That's a pretty cool race. I thought it was because you were going to say you were all swollen, so when we saw it, you were looking mutated or something. I mean, that might also be the case, but, like, if you look at my avatar's face and fight night, like, it's all sketchy. Like, there are black lines and shit, because it's a sketch. Oh, that's why. Okay. Sorry. Cool. What were you saying? What were you bellowing from the other room? Does it have to have a... Sorry, I'm walking back to my mind. Does it have to have human features, or could you draw, like, Mickey Mouse? I mean, it needs eyes and nose... Could you... Could you draw, like, a wode of facial tattoo and have that skin on there? Yeah, I know. That would totally go in there. Okay. So we could take a picture of you and I could draw that. I tried taking a picture of, like, my cat, but, like, where I would put the little sliders, I guess, the little dots, you know, it was just too extreme for the face. Yeah, I always wanted Rainbow Six to be able to, like, you know, just do, like, a circle. We tried, like, hell's takers of PB. A circular shaped head, yeah, and just have, like, my balls be his face. Just like a pair of balls, giant balls, or his face, or something. You know, I'm ready to get kicked off Xbox Live permanently. I feel like I could do that. The question, the thing is, I wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to picture the scenario where we're sitting in Arthur's room. And I'm holding-- I'm dropping balls from the face. I am holding my balls in a monkey brain sort of fashion. You're giving me the goat? You're showing me the goat. And Arthur is fucking holding a lamp on one hand on Xbox Live camera on the other. I'm trying to explain that one to my father. Um, yeah, do you know what I mean by monkey braining it? No, but I got, like, a picture. Yeah, monkey brain. Monkey brain is kind of where you, like, you would take your, maybe your middle finger and your thumb. Yeah. And you would start at the top of the ball sack. It's the penis showing. You would get it and you would go down until now you just had your two balls sitting at the bottom of your sack with the skin. Yeah. Stretch where it kind of looks like a brain. Yeah, that's-- That's what I imagine. If you haven't seen the movie waiting, they play the penis. Yeah, but I only think they were called monkey brains, do they? No, they called it the brain. I was just gonna say monkey brains. And then they have one called the bat wing, which is where you stretch the skin really thin so it looks all veiny, like bat wing. Monkey brains is what we always call it, growing up. And then the goat is where you bend over and hold your balls behind you. Or balls and penis. Yeah. We call that purple mushroom. Growing up. I guess you're talkied. We had this one thing that we would call-- Oh, it always comes down to balls with us. Big balls where I would, like, fold my sack over my penis. So it looked like this giant tumor coming because I have really-- We call this one prostate cancer. [laughing] That is a really giant mess. [laughing] Oh, man. I had a reputation, actually, in high school. For having chicken balls? Yeah. I guess that's a bad idea. I mean, I was a lifeguard for two years, and, like, my friends, we would always do shit. Like, I would bust out my speedo and do, like, velociraptor through the snack bar or something. What is velociraptor? You know, like, I click-- [mumbling] I bet you were doing that in your speedo. Yeah. [laughing] I, like, you just said I would do velociraptor. Like, we're supposed to know what that means. Oh, because, you know, because everyone did velociraptor. You didn't do what? What? Fucking California. Yeah. Oh, man. We were busy eating lunch. Yeah. We also used to try and make it to, like, like, you know, like, people do that thing where they would put, like, the circle on their leg, and if you looked at it, you got punched. Yeah. We do that all the time, except ours would usually be, like, we would try and pull our balls hanging out of our boxers or something like that. And then you'd sit there and you'd wait until they looked at you, and then you would just do, like, you'd make, like, a little finger gesture, like, look down, look down, and look down and just see your balls. That's, we did that a lot. See, you always look at me like, I'm weird for thinking that this is weird, like, I'm not normal for sure. Yeah, I had a lot of really close guy friends. They were, like, my extended family of brothers, really. Yeah, I didn't have, I wasn't close to my biological brother growing up, so, you know. So you showed your balls to others? Right, yeah, yeah. I had the same situation of, like, really, really close friends. Yeah. Oh, you showed your balls, too. Or sometimes my friend, Corey, would whip out his balls and do basically the bat wing, and he would say, man, I stepped in gum. And then he'd, like, he'd be holding, like, part of his ball, sex skin between his fingers, because he would pull it out all coily. How do you clearly pull out your balls? I don't know if you're all busy doing something, you need to be, like, behind us and be like, oh, fuck, Joe. I just stepped in gum in your kitchen, just be holding his hands. Oh, man. It's not cool. Sorry. I wait too much fun with my... You know, it kind of looks like gum, like, when you see gum stuck under, like, a desk or something? So if, like, you take your nuts and take all the slack of your sack and, like, kind of pull it outside of, like, your... That's what I'm saying. That's what Corey would do when he's, like, I stepped in gum. You're a poet, Taylor Barber. I thought if he was saying he would stretch it out and you'd be like... Well, he'd do both, I guess, sometimes, but yeah, I know what you're saying. Oh, okay. Um, so what other games have you been playing right there? I forget. Uh... So... Goddamn, you're both. Goddamn, you and your balls. Uh, I've been, I've played some fight night today, finally. It's been sitting in shrink wrap for a while, so it was nice to be able to try to play that. Uh, I'm really liking it. Uh, I was doing great until you fucking walked in the room and broke my concentration. Well, when I walked in the room, you were already on the floor. No, I was not. And you got knocked out of the fuck out? Yes, I did. Well, that's not my fault that you cannot fuck out. It was, but I was able to exit out of the game fast enough for it to not count as a loss. How's it our fault? You gotta have fucking concentration as a fighter. I'm just saying. Shut up. You should have your mind in the fucking game. Shut up. Instead, his mind was going on with your balls. I was going with your balls. What was for dinner? I want some, I want some potato wine. Knocked out. Anyways. Uh, so you played some fight night. That's cool. Uh, I like it, actually. And this is, again, kind of surprising because it's another EA sports title where I'm like, I like an EA sports game. I'm that guy. Well, the fight night, round three. And round. I feel like fight night. Round three was a game that came along in the right place at the right time because it was one of the first really impressive games graphically for the sponsor. But it was still really good as well. I mean, it was. And it had a really interesting control scheme. Yeah. It was like in the game again this time. Still. So I'm saying that's why it was genuinely good. It was the controls for like, oh, this is a good boxing game, which they're not very many. Yeah. And that's been the other game I've been playing as well. It's a fight night for doing the guide for one up and yeah, I love it. Yeah. I'm just trying to get a feel for the game, like for the gameplay and the kinds of styles that it rewards because I think in the past playing, fighting, playing boxing games, I was like, everybody else where it was like, well, I got him in the head. Hit him in the head. Hit him in the head. Chin hit him in the head. And in this, I'm just feeling like, I want to try to box like Joe Frazier. I want to try to take him apart at the body in the day. I was going to say the body you can, when you hit him in the body that you see like what a drop in their stamina, like there's something you can tell. I mean, everything you do drops your stamina. Right. But I'm saying like, does the body take it away more or something like that? Yeah. The body, the body takes away stamina and hitting them in the head takes away health. Right. So you just wear them out to where their punches are meaningless. They see erratically, but I mean, it doesn't, it just doesn't do as much as I'd like to see it do, but also, I'm just starting out with a fighter. So my stats are in the middle and again, this is sort of like Tiger Woods and that you start with stats at a certain place and you have to keep doing stuff making better. But it's fun in the, the counter punch mechanic, it seems good, but I feel like the CPU, at least for the first few fights, is so non aggressive that it's hard to really rely on counter punches. Yeah, it is. And yeah, and you almost really don't want to use them a whole lot, especially in the beginning. Yeah. You know, I definitely used more counter punches in the middle towards the end of the first career that I did. And I'm on like my second one right now. But yeah, I mean, in, in the beginning, I mean, you can almost just well on the guys. I mean the. And I do. So skewed, the, the fighters, it'll be like a really tall guy with long reach. So it's like, just get right up under him and he can't do anything to you, or it'll be like a short guy with really short reach. So it's like, kind of keep your distance. Sorry. But yeah, yeah, the, you know what, what's, what's really helpful for taking down their stamina really quick, like in the first round is do like a combination of like the bobbing and weaving and blocking. So it's like, if you can get, if you can be blocking and weaving while you counter one of their punches and like answer with another punch, it'll take off a shitload of their standards. I feel like it takes so much time waiting for them to punch though. Right. Yeah. You're fighting more defensive fighters, I guess, right? They're not very aggressive. I mean, in that case, you got to, you got to switch it up. You got to be aggressive. I've done five matches so far and they've all just going to sit in Arthur's room tonight and, and then much to his fucking chagrin. I'm just going to start like spraying it with water, rubbing your shoulders, right? I could use the shoulder. You got to get your head in the game, Arthur. You got to get him to start wiping your sweat. My shoulder is killing me. I can feel the knots and, um, but I mean, it's good. It's, it's a lot of fun. I, there, there is a pretty major bug in the game, which is that I guess if you are doing media sharing on the 360, as I do, and you have too many playlists or artists or tracks or whatever that are available to the 360, then it can cause the game to walk up. I mean, is this something you looked up and you found as well? Yes. This is on the official EA forums. They know that this is a problem. They haven't fixed it yet. I mean, I, I guess it's, it's just doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal. You can't play the fucking game. Like I have to disable media sharing to start the game. Right. But that's because you're streaming music while you play. No, not streaming music like with nothing streaming just with it enabled. Oh, that's like. So I thought you were saying as far as playing music because I was like, no, a lot of people don't play music while they, I mean, it's a, it's a technical requirement for 360 games that you'd be able to, though. That you be able to. Yes. I'm just saying that a lot of people don't. It's going to be that big deal. But the fact of the matter is if it's there and it's fucking up, that sucks. Yeah. So I have to disable it and start the game and then not theoretically I could re-enable it. I imagine that they'll patch that pretty. The game has been out for how long now? I think only a week, I just came out last week, I believe. Like last Tuesday. Yeah. It's only been out for a week or two. I mean, it was also there with the demo. So. That there were weeks. I'm just saying. A few weeks ago. Yeah. I'm just saying they're getting to it. Who knows how, who, I mean, I don't know anything about the technical side of it. Maybe it's harder to correct than we think. I don't know. It's, but it's a game stopping bug and it seems a little, a little, they seem. Right. I mean, I'm not surprised. I don't caught that in a review or anything because it's not something you would find. No, a lot of people are pretty, pretty clueless as far as media sharing goes in the 360. That's what I'm saying. And no one, none of us usually have a debug hooked up to do it. You know, we're reviewing. I mean, like, I hear people talk about, man, the PS3 is so great for media streaming, but for so much of the stuff that I do, it seems like the 360 is more intuitive. Oh, I think the PS3 sometimes is, is more idiot proof to set up for some people. Really? Yeah. For some people, mind you. So. But, um, but anyway, so once, once I figured that out, I'm having a lot of fun. Load times are really bad. Yeah. Like, even, even loading a training session in, in legacy mode, how often do you load? A lot. Like, load a lot. There you go. Do you load mid matches? No, it loads like there, you'll load like seven times, like ending a fight, going to the next section where you're trying to plan a fight. There's a lot of load. I'm just saying that if it's like, you're not loading mid match, it's not the end of the world. I mean, I'm just saying. Right. There's a little bit of loading between rounds. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they just mask it and I'm, I never really noticed. But, I mean, navigating the career menus and the career mode and doing all that stuff, there is a lot of fucking load times. I'm just saying the crux of the game is the fight, so at least it isn't that bad. Yeah. And what I'm saying is that you spend about half the time not fighting and a good chunk of that is waiting for the game to load. And Tiger Woods is really bad with loading too. And between holes, especially Tiger Woods is terrible with loading. Yeah, UFC also is another sports game of recent that it not only has obnoxious loading, but it has that type of loading where you'll get like seven screens that pop up, like checking the hard drive, flashes away, saving to storage flashes away, saving a custom driver. Maybe it's because I asked to like, saving cash so much. Yeah, actually, there've been a lot of games recently that have just had inexcusably long load times. Well, is it fair to call it inexcusable or is that the things that they're doing just require like more time to- I feel like going extra to the memory or- I'm going from menu to menu and having there be ridiculous load times seems unforgivable. Yeah. I mean, I guess- Especially if there isn't a way to jump immediately from one section to another where you have to go through 18 different menus to get- Yeah, I mean, I guess in that scheme, it seems like if it would mean that you would have to do something else like take down graphics slightly or something, even that would be better. If you go into legacy mode and get into a fight, you go through about 7 or 8 things that take load time. I'll have to see it for myself to know how bad it really is, I mean, I'm scarce. It's better when it's installed, for sure. So if you have the opportunity or the option- I have a big hard drive and I don't even bother to install most games. I mean, at this point, I install almost everything if I'm going to be playing it. Yeah, and something really helps for a load time. Yeah, it's just most load time and games don't ever really bother me. How of war is another game that has obscene load times, another thing about it? But other than that, a lot of people talk shit about the EA tracks that are in games. I don't see the problem. Yeah, they're fine. There's a lot of really good songs in there that I'm like, I'm not even super into hip hop. I have a casual interest here and there, but I've liked or enjoyed or at least not hated what I've heard so far. Yeah. Yeah, for me, it's like the polar opposite of my experience with UFC. Like the first thing I tweeted about Fight Night was just- This, do you turn down the chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga? Right, well, yeah, that was UFC. For UFC, it was immediately. Like, turn the music down to zero. Fight Night was fine. Like, I have the cool kids, Santo Gold on there. Do you play as a black person in either of these games? Yeah. Well, like, the first, actually, it was the same behavior in both games. The first character I made was like myself and then the second one I worked in was like the black character. Yeah, what character you playing left or dead? I kind of wished I was, I guess. What? I said, what character do you play in left or dead? Oh. Come on, you know. You play Louisa if I'm not there. Yeah. Yeah. You're like my friend Ian, dude. My friend Ian always played a black character in every game, if the option was there. I know why I do. And then Ian, but yeah, but Ian would also come home and watch BET every day. And it's- Yeah. What? Yes. Ian is like the widest guy I've ever met. Yes. And then at one point, no joke. Ian had cornrows. So I'll just let that fucking marinate in your brain for a while. I can picture it too, is this scary? Ian is the widest motherfucker ever. Yeah, Ian works at Krista Dynamics now, so- Not, I mean, has for quite a few years now. Right. So. So. If you're listening, Krista, 'cause I know we have some crystal people that listen, you should tell Ian you want to see a picture of him with cornrows, so- Do you want to give his last name? Yeah. His name is Ian Johnson. Is he still in QA? Yeah. They know who he is, though. There's only one. A crystal is not that we're going to go to a company. True. You can do- He's sitting next to the- Actually, man. A new motherfucker. Because the character I'm doing screenshots with for the guy at one up that I'm doing for Fight Night is, you know, I'm doing like my custom character. So like, you can see what I would look like if I were like a heavyweight, you know, I forget like 330-pound boxer. Yeah. See, I said- I tried to set my boxer to the same weight that I am, and it's like, it sets it in a heavyweight. I'm like, aww. Are you- Are you- Yeah, can you actually do your weight class? They have to have weight. Yeah. You can go really, really low. Like, when I first checked the game, I- How much do you weight time? Like 110? 110. Oh, okay. 128. That's like, what, featherweight or something? They like phantom weight or phantom? Phantom? Phantom? Phantom. I was gonna say phantom like you don't even exist. Phantom weight. You know, you might be featherweight. I think phantom weight is less than that is. Yeah, actually it is. It is actually. Um, whereas like, light heavyweight taps out at 175 and heavy weights like from there to 211. So I'm like in the middle of heavyweight, which makes me feel fine. Why? Yeah. I don't think most heavyweight fighters are fat. Yeah, but I'm not most heavyweight fighters. I-I technically- You can take like the big boned body type, you know, if you want to be a bigger fighter. I didn't care. Or, well, proton. I don't feel big boned, didn't you? Well, why don't you eat another potato wedge? And then go puke it up in the bathroom. But uh- Right about it in your journal. You're doing it. You're doing it. Are you using either the- You are such an ass. Finite for. Are you? Do you ever use your special move or the illegal move? Uh, both. Actually. Really? Yeah. I use the special move all the time. My boss Will said that when people are being talking shit to him in fight night or something, yeah, he would just- he'll go up and just hug them and hug them over and over and over again. And then- That's so annoying. And then when they let go, finally, he'll just sit there and punch him in the balls till he's disqualified. Like if they're just speaking shit. Oh, see, my illegal move is a headbutt. Yeah, that's the only illegal move I've ever seen. And man, he really commits that headbutt. Yeah. Like he's like whoosh. Yeah. Um, no, I do- I do my signature move all the time. It's like my most powerful uppercut. Yeah. Yeah. What do you call it? I- I didn't name it. I didn't even pick it. Well, what does it- Why do you call it? I don't call it anything. I call it- I hope I hit them with this. What do you call it, Tyler? I call it the Arthur Hemroid. I would call it- It's a pain in my ass. I would call it the banana hammock. Because, you know, a hammock just kind of shaped round. So what, you punch them really hard within the crook of your arm? Yeah. You know what I mean? You fucking cradle that punch up into their face. What is- What's your boxer's nickname, Tyler? Uh. What is your problem today? Uh. Are you talking to me or Tyler? I'm talking to the- I'd prefer something- I'm farting into the mic over and over again. I prefer my nickname in UFC, which is L Toro. Did you pick that? It's yeah, it's like one of the ones you can pick and the reason why I picked it is because- They'll say it. The first band I ever sort of like my friends ever made was this band we made called Grunge Plunge like when we were in 8th grade or whatever, but we had this song called L Toro. That sounds like a porn title. Yeah. For some reason. Like, so the song was called like L Toro and it was about like this like bowl and it was like a Spanish bull fighter sort of sounding song and it was about like this bowl that ripped off my nutsack and like gave it to a seniorita. Told her to suck on it. Waitie topics for an 8th grade band. Yeah, that's uh, that's pretty intense. The other like we had another song, Nazi knock in at my door. Don't- No, no, no, no, Nazi knock in at my door. We had an in a shitty little punk band I was like that in high school. We had a song called Cod and the Act, which was about masturbating. I was on the edge of the bed raring all the way back when my mom walked in caught me with the wack. And we had another song called "Gotten My Eye" that was also about my estimation. Found my socks. Oh man, I helped- On the next album we hope to finish writing. I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. I was better. On the next album we hope to finish our song. Put a book over it. Oh man. What did you think? When the book moves on its own. Um. I don't know where that's about. Yeah. Oh my god. What was that? What did that come from? I don't know. 'Cause fucking when you're in high school, erections come like your penis is possessed. There's something strange in the neighborhood. Yeah, it would just be like random. There was that one scene in Ghostbusters where like Dan Aykroyd was being seduced by that hot ghost. Yeah, I mean, that'd be kind of rad, right? No commitment. No pregnancies. Little. [Laughs] No tangibility. As long as you get your rocks off, right? The spectral shake. [Laughs] Can you imagine going into the bathroom trying to clean up ectoplasm? I'm just saying it'd probably be about as bad as a... It all makes us together. It'd probably be as bad as a rad dream. Yeah. So. Well, that's where we took this real quick. No, ectoplasm. I've also been playing... I've also been playing colovora as found in blood. Which is... Good. I like it a lot. That's right. There's no penis jokes in there. We're waiting. There's not, there's a surprisingly little double entendre in that game. Can you shoot people on the balls? I suppose you could. Now that we're back on the side we go balls. Right. Yeah. We're... That's like I hate you both. Call war is it all first person, like you go when you're on a horse? Yes. Occasionally it looks really ridiculous. I don't know if you remember, but one of the things that was, after Mears Edge came out someone did like a tweet to the configuration that let you do a third person camera mode. And people talked about how stupid faith looked in third person like watching her move around. And the reason that is, the reason that is because they had to tweak things in first person to make it look better. Like while you were looking through first person because if you just looked at it, if they just looked like it did in third person except from a first person angle it didn't look as good. So you're saying that there are times when you see AI moving around that they just look ridiculous? No, there are times, I mean looking at your character move like I showed up. Like her animations, like when she jumps or something, like if her arm needs to pass in front of your vision. You don't need to use the politically correct female pronoun form in this case because every character is a man. Oh. But yeah, you can see, you were talking about Mears Edge I guess. I apologize. I'm sorry for being a dick Tyler. It's all good. We brought it back to Dix though. Yay. Why am I cheering for Dix? I mean if you're running like especially with Ray who usually carries two guns, he like does this crazy like I'm carrying two guns and I'm shaking my fists dance or Thomas with his rifle like to sort of waves it around in front of himself and that looks kind of ridiculous. But other than that, I'm just really enjoying the story and the dynamic between the two main brothers and the third brother. Is it a completely linear game? Yeah, you can pick which brother you want to play as and their experiences are slightly different and they play much different from each other. I'm not sure, I mean I'm trying to play through all the way as Thomas. For what I understand it, I mean the story, you know, it's still one story, it ends the same. It does end the same. You don't change the story by playing as someone else. It will be interesting to see whether or not you... I know that there's some things about that you kind of felt were kind of wonky at times like the way that your character looks when he's like holding a gun and moving, he kind of comes across the robotic and stuff, huh? I just said that, where were you? We just spent like five minutes talking about that. That just happened. Well, you were thinking about Dixon's walls. Maybe you could get penises out of the brain and join the conversation. Yes. I could remove that from the final recording. No, leave it. No. Leave it. It's fine. Must keep it. Yes, you do look ridiculous oftentimes, aren't you? No, I know you were talking about certain things look ridiculous like horses and stuff, but I was saying like... Yeah, the horses look strange. And I know you said other characters look weird holding guns, but I just... No, not really. I just think... Oh, you said the way the one guy runs. Are we talking about your character when you're playing him? My own character. Oh, I thought you were talking about see when you're playing as the other guy and you would see him run through the environment. He would be waving his... No, they run like in third person, everything looks fine. Okay, see, that's what I thought we were talking about. Yes, no. I was just slightly confused. Not totally confused. Oh, they're partially ignorant. Yeah. Totally ignorant. But again, the story is what I'm finding most appealing and most engaging. Like it handles the interplay between the two brothers during the course of the game really well. Like they're like good friends or brothers that behave constantly talking shit to each other, but also reassuring each other, complimenting each other. And there's just a really interesting, entertaining dynamic between them. Which sounds weird talking about a video game. I mean, it's not something you see very often. That happens sometimes. But very rarely. Well, you have to have two characters really to have a dynamic going on. True. So. The omission that I feel is the most glaring and this is the same thing most reviews are saying is that there's no co-op. Right. Which, given that you almost always have the two of you on the screen at the same time, co-op. It's like you could have easily been designed for you. And I mean, it's not like you're the computer AI for the other brother. The brother you're not playing is bad because it's not and it'll and it pays attention. If you if he shoots somebody and then you shoot them and kill them, he'll talk about you stole his kill or whatever. I mean, it's aware of what's going on in a pretty good way, but it's just co-op would have been co-op is almost always good and especially in a game where there's two characters that are always visible that have comparable skill sets. It seems like more of an omission. Hmm. Balls. But if you really dug gun when we were playing the gun game club, then I think there's an awful lot for you to like in this. Well, in the sense that it's cowboys and fun. Yeah. And just I mean, the the action is fun. It's constantly varied. It changes it. It changes it up frequently like you're rarely doing it. It'll be the best cowboy game until Red Dead Redemption comes out. Which will be like another year. Yep. Well, early 2009 is what they're saying. Which I actually still- Me, 2010. Yeah, early 2010, which I think is the realistic target having seen it. So. I wonder if that's another one they got delayed because of PS3 development. Or maybe just got delayed because the holiday season was looking too hairy for it. Yeah. I guess this holiday season is looking even more crowded than last year. Yeah. I mean, to some extent, Rockstar, I mean, they can release anytime and probably do pretty well for themselves and why take it in the holiday chin like that, it's going to be pretty crazy a bit. I don't know. I mean, they don't have a perfect track record of success. No, I'm just saying that I think what I was told by PR people, the campaign for advertising for this is going to be like on par with GTA. So they're really going to try and push this one. So I'm sure it'll do pretty well. Um. Other than that, I finished point look out Fallout 3 DLC. Yeah. We talked a ton about that last time though. I mean, I was only like an hour into it then, but I finished it. It's really good. It's probably my favorite DLC out of what's been released. And if you really want to get as much as you can out of it, make sure to get the, uh, what is that face that you're making? I just wanted to see if I would break you out of training you thought. Fuck this. This is why you fucked up in finite. Trying to, I'm working on your focus. You're going to be playing a game and I'm just going to come in and just kick you right in the crotch. Work under focus. Focus bitch. Um. It hurts too much. If you want to get the most out of it, you should try and get the achievement that you get for revealing all the locations because there's a lot of really cool hidden stuff that the quests might not necessarily take you to. And there are a few quests that you'd sort of stumble upon. Hmm. How much is it? Ten bucks? Yeah. It seems all there are DLC. Pretty sure. I mean, because it's pretty short. Yeah. You can beat it in one sitting if you really want to. I mean, if you, if you only want to get one DLC pack, it's not going to replace broken steel because broken steel adds so much content. Right. And adds to so much existing content. But I mean, out of everything so far, it's the one I've liked the most. That's right. Tyler, have you been playing anything else? Um, I, uh, I checked out Halo Wars today, but I, you know, I really didn't play it enough so I can really, you know, chime in on it other than the fact that so far it seems sort of the answer to everything is just select all and press the tap. Yep. That was a running joke on the bomb cast for a few weeks. Select all units. Yeah. Yeah. Plus, like I was telling Tyler that that game almost always there's like in the single player levels, especially there's pretty much a unit you can use as a gimmick unit to just beat the shit out of the level almost always. It's a lot of fun playing co-op. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't do co-op. That's actually what I was playing with one of the listeners. We were getting algebra in that hoe, which I just didn't want to say as full screen name. So I just wanted to give him a shout out. But anyway, um, yeah, I don't know. I look forward to trying it. Meh. Meh. Sorry. Is that everything? Yeah. My throw hurts. You're going in so much. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to come back with the middle segment, which is about games that, uh, you know, surprised us when we thought they were going to be total pieces of poop. Or we had no idea where those were. Yeah. 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I remember seeing Skip play it, but yeah, it was like that was the never one we brought home. - Yeah, and Guitar Hero rocks the 80s didn't really have like that sort of feel to it. But the Guitar Hero Metallica, just like, a lot of love went into that game and it's tangible. - Yeah, that was my game that I expected to suck, but it was good. - Read another comment. - Uki Spooky says, "I was really surprised by my wife once, but not in a good way." And then he says, "Ask for games, Dead Space and Uncharted. I thought I'd hate them both, but love love them." - Yeah, I didn't think Dead Space was going to be bad, but I didn't think I was going to enjoy it as much as I did. That's true. - Yeah, it was so much more polished. - I thought it was going to be a mediocre game. - It's like a Resident Evil clone. - Yeah, I thought it would be fun, but nothing special, but it ended up being, I want to make more liked games towards the end of the last year. - So? - Pulled back from saying favorite. - Well, I've pulled out from saying something stupid. I think I was going to say something like most liked or, I don't know, the word I was about to say in my mind is going to be turned down. - Oh, it's just a deep breath. - So. - You still haven't played Dead Space have you? - No. Dead Space and Red Faction are like the two games that I'm most afraid of not playing from this generation. Like, I really need to do something to seriously sit down and play these games. - I really love Dead Space, but if I had to pick between the two, I feel like Red Faction. - Red Faction, yeah. - 'Cause it does stuff that no other game has really done. - And the one that I played that I was surprised I liked was that a Broken Sword game for DS. That was one that I saw in the store shelf and I made fun of it 'cause I was like, that is the dumbest looking cover. And then I only played it 'cause John Davis and talked about how good it was. So that was one that came, this surprised me, and even most recently that Lego Battles game. - Which is also from John Davis. - Yeah, which is another one that like I remember '83, they offered to show me it and I was just like, no. Thank you. - You keep your fucking Lego baby game? - Yeah, and I just assumed it was dumb. And it is kind of like a more baby game, but it is, it's like a stripped down version of Warcraft 3 in a way. You have a hero unit and it's still like an RTS clicking drag and everything. So it surprised me. I don't have, it's not like I think it's super fun, but still surprised that it's like way better than I would have ever expected. - And I've also, you know, I can also say that I'm surprised at how much I'm into Fight Night 4. I mean, I knew I would probably like it some, but I didn't think like a good buddy of mine back home was asking me like, would I recommend UFC over Fight Night? Which like I can name, you know, 30 UFC fighters off the top of my head, but I probably couldn't name 10 boxers, but I'm torn to recommend UFC over Fight Night. I mean, Fight Night is so really, really good. - It's really polished. - Very polished and it looks ridiculously good. - I mean, it's hard for me to call it specific games I've been surprised by this year because so many have been surprising to me this year. - All right, well, we can go older than this year by-- - Well, yeah, I mean-- - We had to stay within the generation. - No, I just said within the last few years and people took that as they wanted to. Ziax, a frequent commenter and contributor, says that a game that came out of nowhere was Skate. I'd had a passing interest in Tony Hawk's games. I really wish you'd stop doing that on the mic. - It's not on the mic. - It is so totally audible on the mic. I can watch the boards bars go up every time you do it. - Sorry, I'm just relaxing in my house and I pass gas. - I feel like you're trying to make it audible. - No. If I could control volume on a regular basis, I would take advantage of that a lot more. - You'd be sort of like what I do in between breaks when I sit on the wood floor. - So that's different. - Parching wood. - You aimed your asshole right at him, too, is the best part. - Well, you gotta get the best amplification. - Anyway, he says that I had a passing interest in Tony Hawk's games, but nothing really ever compelled me to keep playing more than briefly. I am in the same boat, although I've not played skate. - Oh. - Skate was sort of one that I think a lot of people expected to be awful and wasn't. - I was stoked for that game and loved it when I played it, so I really can't. - When Arthur chastises me for farting on the mic, it's like it gets that part of me that wants to, just now I just want to fart every two seconds. - Well, this is what you get now, Mom. I'm gonna lock the windows. (laughs) Beyond Good and Evil was one that I picked up totally on about. - Do you remember that the only person do you want to say that in the comments? - Yeah, I mean, it was a new IP. Like, who knew anything about it? And it was called Beyond Good and Evil. You know, all the cover shit was a girl standing there. Like, there was like nothing to tell you. Like, hey, this is gonna be like this crazy game about government conspiracies and that sort of thing. I mean, I guess the back of the box kind of ludged that, but you had no bearing. And at the time that was in the time of my life where the only video game news I occasionally got was when I picked up a Game Pro or EGM randomly in the store because I didn't subscribe. So it just was like me and my dad would go to the local grocery store and I would go wander the magazine things. And during that time of my life, I was 10 times more likely to pick a skateboard magazine before I would pick a video game. And so Beyond Good and Evil was one that I just went to the store and was like, never heard of this and I picked it up on a whim. And it just ended up being really good. So... Let's see, Adrian Press says that a Mirror's Edge was a game that on a conceptual level is my biggest surprise and that the mechanics of motion is the most exhilarating part of the game versus the developer's history of making shooting/combat the centerpiece. Yeah, see, that one was harder for me to not like to be surprised by only because the hype trained amongst my coworkers that I could do every day. Yeah, that was definitely a sort of not quite Assassin's Creed but like a media darling for a long time. Right, that's what I'm saying. So that one was not one that I was like totally. But in the grand scheme of things, it is sort of an interesting departure for DICE considering that their current game that's about to come out as Battlefield 1943. Well, right. And they just went into open beta for Heroes. Is DICE making Heroes? Yes. Okay. And nothing with the battlefield name gets made by anyone other than DICE. I'm pretty sure. So. Uh, JD says, "What was that?" He just said DICE. Okay. I was just thinking how they need to make the high school football game. I had no idea what you're talking about. No, no, no, no, no. Do I? Yeah, I just went right by both heads. No, I just thought they would be a good team, I think, that could make like a really simple sort of RPG-ish football game. I don't know. Just because they do like visceral motion really well. Oh, okay. You know. You just used one of the forbidden words. Oh, visceral. Compelling frame mates. Sometimes when I write like a deck that I send to Ryan, a deck is like the tagline that you see under the name. No, I know. I know what you do. But I'm saying for people that don't like a deck is what you put as like the words that is like the hook that's supposed to draw people in. Like, you know, like blast in our way into whatever. In other words, it's often the most grown-inducing part of an ever-view. Right. I mean, most people that do them are pretty bad. And so, yeah, the one I always put is compelling comma the frame rates. That's my special one for Ryan. Uh, JD says the most surprising game for him recently was 1 versus 100. Oh, yeah. I mean, I have an chance to try that. Another one. But I hear it's really good. Yeah. I had a feeling that this one could be really, really popular. Like, it could have this sort of spark to it. Smarty pants for Wii, if we're on the game show type thing. That is another game that I highly recommend for Wii gamers, especially if you use your system or as a party thing or you like to have something like on hand. You can play with people that don't game because it's got like the whole jeopardy thing and the questions do vary. And it's got enough silly parts to make it kind of its own unique game. But I mean, I brought it over to a friend's house one time and everyone sat down being like, what the fuck is this? And then we've literally spent like three hours playing it. That is a game that had no right being as good as it was. I have another one and this one should actually ring true to you. Would you? No. Tom Walker says a massive surprise for me was a Japanese developed game for the 360 called Earth Defense Force 2017. Wow. I mean, if you don't own that game, where have you been? I don't own it. Have you ever played it? I know what the game is. It's so good. Have you played it? No. I mean, you gotta play it. I mean, the only thing I would dock that game for. I mean, of course, there's way more. But that game takes the shittiness and owns it. Even in the menu, the abrasive-ass sounds it plays as you're clicking through things. It's just like, I mean, you finally hit start. It's like this noise that is worse than an alarm clock. But it's humorous. The only downside is that there's no online co-op. You have to play local. But at the same time, it's cool. I mean, you could say, yeah, I mean, Arthur went to the same room having fun and, you know, whatever. There's so many things on screen at once. How could they do it online? Yeah, because they were all the exact same thing over and over again. The game had a minuscule budget, which you could tell from the appalling graphics dodgy level design and even the box art. It was the cheesiest thing I'd ever seen. And after spending Kalisau hours playing the game, I still couldn't think of one good thing to say about it. Then I realized how much I'd been playing it. I don't know. I enjoyed it. We liked it pretty much instantly. Yeah. It's so charming. Yeah. It's just kind of like watching an old Edwood movie or something, right? Where there's like, the aliens in it might as well be connected to strings on screen. It's so consistently over the top, like it starts over the top and it just keeps one upping itself. Yeah. It's like, now we're going to throw 10,000 insects at you at once. Oh, you thought that was big? Now we have something that's larger than Godzilla. Yeah. And now we have a UFO that drops Godzilla's. Yeah. It's done, but it's great. And the only way to kill this UFO is when it opens its bay to spew thousands. I got to imagine that game now is like, and that game does collectibles, right, too, because there's just constant collectibles in time. Yeah. The weapon unlocking in that game is one of the reasons that we played it. I got to imagine now that game's probably like 15 bucks, too. You should pick it up. Oh, you're great. It's 15 bucks you've ever seen. I mean, if you can pick it up new, you should still pick it up new, just to give them your money because they deserve it, but I don't know. Yeah. That's a good one. Shenmue is another one I didn't expect to like. I just had heard a lot about it and decided to play it on a whim. A lot of people were saying Bioshock was a big surprise. Yeah. I mean, again, a new IP. There had been some things written about it, but who knew if that was going to pan out? I didn't really feel like very surprised by Bioshock for some reason. I was super excited for it, and I loved the game, but I didn't feel like I was surprised by it. Yeah. For me, yeah. I agree. It was more like, I know this game is going to kick ass. I mean, it just had such a clear direction from start to finish, and it was a spiritual successor to a game that had a lot of critical acclaim behind it. Hmm. Yeah, I don't know. Sister Shock 1 and 2 had a lot. You knew that Dead Space was originally System Shock 3, right? No. But what? And they decided to make it an original IP? I think the Dead Space Wii game that's coming out could be another one of those games that people are surprised by. OK, the extraction. How fun it is. It looks good. It has such awful box art. Oh, I know. Joystick has been running on it all day. Joystick thought the box art was so bad that they took the picture of the woman on the cover that whose mouth is opening the screen and, like, photoshopped her face in, like, every screenshot. Yeah. And you know what? You know what I say? I say good. Good on them. I thought it was funny. Like, you know what, if Joystick feels like, you know, that they're going to make fun of this all day in their other posts, like, do it, like, something-- You know, it's another game with a really bad box art conduit, a game with a bad box art. Oh, my God. It's just-- Yeah, but it makes up for it with Kevin Sorbo is the voice of yours. It looks like-- It looks like the box art conduit looks like it's, like, out of a Super Nintendo game or something. Yeah, it looks like an advertisement game from the '90s. Yeah. Like, it's bad. I don't know who-- I don't know, like, who in their office. He's like, dude, I've had this picture sitting around since '94 when I tried to work at Marvel. So can we use this? I'm guessing whoever's art that was. I'm sorry, but it didn't have any place on the cover of the bag. And like the voice actor, the guy who does his voice, you know, he was in, like, Battle Sargillacta and Firefly. He's, like, an older, gruff looking guy, but the dude that they have, like, rendered is supposed to be some kind of, like, long cruise on the dude, like, what? Rhett says 50 cent blood on the sand, which I don't know if anyone in this room is played. I have not played. I feel like I should. David Ellis recommended it. Don't look at me like that. You know, it's another game that it's way better than people will think is Trials, that fucking game about just using a dirt bike on tracks. Oh, well, yeah. It's coming out for Xbox 360, but that was when I picked up on Steam. And put way too much time. And yeah, and I was like, it's just a dumb game about it. It's about riding a dirt bike, like, how, that does not appeal to me at all, but just the physics in is what really makes the difference, just doing, like, these little, little physics puzzles. Yeah, I mean, like, as exciting as it is to me at E3, like, we definitely set on those couches for, like, 15 minutes, just sat there and watched you played Trials is fantastic. To get to something more recent, Brandon Cox says, when I was in high school, I thought those kids who played magic were complete losers. After downloading the demo for the magic game on Xbox Live Arcade, it turns out that I was the loser for not getting it on that sweet card action. Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of friends who are really hardcore into magic, as her turn knows, like, really hardcore, like, play tournaments and all that business. You have, like, the magic crack house in Davis. Yeah, I mean, we were known as the magic house, like, fucking hipsters all over the Central Valley. We'd come and play and magic in our place. It was true. I wouldn't be surprised one day to just see, like, Jonah from far walking the door with a deck or something. Far. So. Whoa. Whoa. Are you surprised that I know who Jonah is? We've played. Dude, we were in the vicinity of SACTO for four or five years each. Of course, I know who Far is. So, yeah, so, but that magic game, for what I understand, makes me magic playing friends. It's fun. But, you know, you can't make your own, you can't make your own ex or anything. So there... Will you guys stop? OK, but it's not about balls, I don't want to enter into the conversation. If I had a dollar for every time you said that. So, you know, yeah, unless the word balls is coming out of your mouth. Or going in the oars. Yeah, well, in that case, I don't want it to be words. So, so the thing is, is that you don't get to make your own decks. Yeah, you don't get to make your own decks. Like, that is, that is a pretty major part of what makes magic really fun. So there's still strategy to it because you don't know what you're going to draw, but the fact that matter that you don't get to make your own decks, like, I mean, Grant, if you want to do that, just play the PC game, right? I mean, that's what it's there for. But I guess there was no real good way to do it because otherwise they're just to micro transaction the hell out of you. So, and people that would buy would have a clear, clear, clear, like, advantage over people that didn't buy magic, that's definitely the case. Man, a lot of people said, uh, Dead Space and Bioshock, that came out, came up a lot. Uh, O'Reilly, the leprechaun, whose word cannot be trusted, says, Gears of War II, actually. I didn't really like the first one, so I wasn't expecting to like the second one, but I ended up loving every minute of it. It's all presentation, but fuck is it badass? It just needs a good writer to be a great game. Yeah, it could use a better writer. I don't know that it could use a better writer so much as there are just so many things that go out. Well, it would need a better writer and then someone that would actually follow it with the storyboard. And so it wouldn't just be, like, disjointed things that don't always make sense. Well, when we were, when I was talking to the developers, it never saw for gun, like one of the things that they talked about story-wise was that over the course of the game, like the writer writes the story with the levels that they have figured out, but over the course of development levels get cut. Yeah, that's a thing, yeah. And unfortunately, like, giant chunks of story often get cut with those levels. Right, but I got to imagine I'm wondering how much gets cut out of the game like Gears of War. I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm just, um, now I want to know. Um... We should ask. Cliffy B. I mean, there's been other games that were, like, surprised me even throughout my life, like, if we want to go way, way, way back. There's this NES game called Civil War, or no, it's called, it was either called Civil War, it was called 1864, I don't remember, and that game had no business being as good as it was. That's, that's my, that's my history lesson to you all. Oh, war. I don't even remember that game. Did you ever play Defenders of the Crown? No. Oh yes, it was sort of an old, like, you know, Middle Ages sort of strategy, I don't know, crazy game, but, uh, one social game that really surprised me was, uh, when I got a while back when I still lived in Houston, I got sent a review copy of Singstar, and, like, that game was surprisingly fun, you know, especially... Yeah, you know, they sell millions for... 18 million copies sold, can't be wrong. Yeah, I mean, I'm not, like, a crazy karaoke fan or anything, but, like, we would always have these themed parties in Houston, like, uh, when animals attack frat boys or something, and so everybody would dress up for that theme, however you want to interpret it. And, like, Singstar would be the thing going at 4am when, like, Joni and I were trying to, like, crash, and there's still people drunk, singing Byron. From flock of seagulls. And I was running so far and dudes away, give me the humus so I can eat on the plane. After he did another comment. Was that racist? I couldn't tell. Was I, like, an Arab person singing? No, no. Our Tyler only has one voice, he does, no matter what. Yeah. Well, actually, the editor of the free press, he's this Lebanese guy, and we've been doing this thing. Every time we do ads, which is, like, we go through the newspaper and make sure all the ads are in, we do these impressions of 80 songs, like, as sung by Arab men. I think that's all you need to say right now, Tony. Fun stuff. Uh, Radavon says, "Even after hearing the critical acclaim following the initial release of chronicles averted for the Xbox, I was skeptical." That's all he said. No. During this time, games based on movies or TV licensed. That was a weird place to end that. We're almost universally horrible and claims that this game, based on such a ridiculous movie character, was actually some way playable, let it all in good, seem preposterous, imagined my shock when the game was not only fun, but incredibly innovative. Is that comment that ended right there? I would have started wondering what happened to him. Was he typing in? He was murdered. Was he typing in a public library when someone put a bag over his head? I was like, "What happened to this man that did not finish that? Was he on a plane crash? Like, I do not know. I would be curious." Uh, yeah, no, I was surprised by chronicles, Radik. I'm just going to start going on to websites and leaving, like, half-relief thought out comments that just end midward. And I do. Goddamnit. I'm sorry. Oh, poor Mikey, he says one of the largest pleasant surprises for me in games the last few years is actually Shadowrun on 360. Whoa. Wow. How he's, like, the last of the Mohicans still playing. Oh, that was a good reference. Yeah. That's originally a Sean LA reference about when he played Prey with someone and there was, like, one guy on their playing. And then he kept on killing Sean and Rory and talking shit to them being, like, fucking noobs. And Sean would be like, "Dude, do you just want to be here, the last of the Mohicans playing by yourself again?" Like, be nice to us, or at least get playing with you. So. A lot of people said Portal was their big surprise, this console generation. Oh, that's fair. I mean, for some of these, you know, like, bowshot, Portal. He didn't feel like they were very surprising. I just had so much anticipation. I knew they were going to be good. Yeah. Yeah. I was surprised by Portal's humor. I want to know more about what games people expected to be, like, a piece of crap. Like you were like, "Oh, it's going to be so bad." But Dead Space, in BioShock, or what I'm seeing, currently, is written. But they actually thought we're going to be bad. Dead Space, a lot of people thought that they would never like it. Yeah, Dead Space is when I could see a BioShock not so much. I thought I would. Especially if these are the type of people that keep up with gaming enough to be able to make comments on our site. Like, I feel like they would have known enough about BioShock. Yeah. I felt like I thought I was going to hit Man before we start playing for that game. Aw, Tyler. I was like, "Just because I really didn't know what..." And you're being such a team player and acting excited about it. Yeah. Well, you know, I didn't know the, you know, that I wasn't familiar with the series. I had really no idea. I thought it was a boring shooter, which was wrong. It's not a boring shooter at all. It's a... It is a boring puzzle game. Yeah. Exactly. To answer Anthony's request, Parnu says, "The darkness got it for seven euros from a sale. My expectations are very low. I got to be a really solid shooter." I enjoyed the darkness. I was looking forward to it, but I could see how that would be the case. Because a lot of people, it was sort of divided critics in a lot of spots when it came out. Yeah. I mean, I liked it for what it was then. I don't know that playing it now, the second time I would like it as much. But... Well, it was very much a... It was in the right place at the right time. It came out like June of 2000. That's no say I don't know that it would hold up the same for me. Yeah. I'm trying to think of the games you're sitting on myself. Crackdown is another game where people expected it to be shit, and they only bought it for the Halo 3 beta. And then I'm really liking it. Right. I think that's what we started this off with. Yes. Dan Barker says, "Vandro Kazooie nuts and bolts. This game surprised me in how customizable the vehicles are and how well they are implemented in the game world." Yeah. I'm looking at myself. Big Pig Zell says, "Fucking Princess Tomato in the salad came in for the NES was the bomb, man. I had no idea. Seriously." Underground. All right. I have. I got two games. Fire away. Uh... First one is Sins of the Solar Empire. That game I didn't think was going to be like, I thought it was going to be a game I did not enjoy. Really? I thought it had such good buzz. It had buzz amongst people that wanted a super duper hardcore strategy game, and that's actually what turned me off of it. I thought it was going to be a really, really insurmountable game to get to, but it turned out it was actually way more approachable than I thought. I mean, it takes a couple hours to learn, but it's actually pretty good, and then eventually it's really satisfying, like controlling a whole universe. That was definitely one. Oh, what was the other? I was just looking at my shelf. Balls. Uh... Someone. Oh. Nobunaga's ambition was another one. Oh, yeah. You really got into that game. Yeah, that was another game that I thought was going to be utter shit. What is that? I've never heard of that. It comes from the... It's one of the games. It's kind of like Civ and a lot like how he makes it like if you're playing Civ. It's like in the same vein as all the romance of the Three Kingdoms games that used to come out. And so this one is, you're playing as Nobunaga, who is like the guy that united feudal Japan, a warlord basically. And you can either play as him or any of these other provinces, and it's like a ridiculously deep strategy game of trying to unite all of Japan. And so on top of fighting like kind of really stripped down RTS battles, which is a small part of it, you have to sit there and do things like send out envoys to like look into marriages, to bind kingdoms together and stuff. It's super, super technical and give gifts and maintain relationships and it's pretty intense. But I enjoyed that game way more than I thought I would. I thought it was just going to be a painful experience and start to finish. And another game I played for review actually that I thought was going to be really bad, but turned out being really good was that siren game. Down a little while. It would hurt. Yeah. Yeah. That game I thought was just going to be like, I was like, I've hardly heard of this. I'd never even played the original, this is going to be crap, but it ended up being one of my favorite games that year. And I still think that that game is better than like the most recent Silent Hill, like it's way better than that. It's probably better than the last two Silent Hill's. Damn. It's a bold statement. Well, then again, Silent Hill the room was sort of-- Silent Hill the room wasn't that great and Silent Hill the newest one was eh, as well. It was good, but it wasn't like nowhere near as good to me as siren. Siren is a fucking scary game because half the time you can't defend yourself and I think that-- I'm giant moth people. I think that makes things really scary. I think we'll finish it up with Revosolot, who has an interesting one. I was going to finish it up with someone with a better name. Shut up. Geometry Wars got me hooked on it despite the fact that I'm stuck with the trial version. No, I'm just kidding. Revosolot's a fine name. At least it wasn't Revolver Ocelot because then I just-- like Revolver Ocelot 41, 37. I'd be like, what is that some variation of your birthday? That's really clever. Yeah. Yeah. So it's Revosolot. Revosolot works. Yeah. And everybody else who got a 360. Joe Stick called it their best 360 game for a long S-time. I think that's where we'll cut it. We're going to let Tyler piss and then we're going to come back with letters. He has been drinking. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] I hate to smell. I hate this company, but most of all I hate that you want to do just like me is getting. I hate that you want to do just like me is getting. Now he's melting and finds him the sun. He can cook, cook, his brain, he talks to him. And then good, good, and good until he's running. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] He's running. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] He's running. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] It's a jumping and the conversation on your questions and your answer. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] Hello, fellas. Let's just say this one's from Nick Suttner. Nick Suttner wrote in. Hello, fellas. I'm just sending this email because I responded to an email from all of you in May about whether or not I was interested in writing and having heard back for you, reading this one for a reason. I'm worried that you never received my response emails for some reason or other. If this is the case, know that I'm definitely interested and I'd love to hear from you. Please let me know if you're still interested in my work. The reality of it is that we've just been busy and coordinating a bunch of people to write on the site is fucking very time consuming. And people seem to really want t-shirts to suddenly that has taken over my project. Right. And honestly, I mean, it's like I've told other people, I mean, I have a full-time job that commands probably more hours than normal full-time job. And on top of that, figuring out people to come on the show or playing the game club game and all these things. I'm not trying to make excuses. I'm basically saying that it's just been a, it's a restraint on time. It's not that we haven't gotten any responses in general from all you guys and that we've been like, nah, fuck that guy or anything like that. Yeah, no, I mean, if I contacted you a second time, your writing was good. And Arthur still has everyone's email and stuff. Yeah, I just, I've been super busy and trying to figure out a format for the site that would allow your writing to be seen. Like, we're trying, we don't want the site to look like your standard jerk-off format blog. I would like to point out that every letter I pick today with maybe the exception of one, all signs off with some form of fat penis. Uh, yeah. I told my friend Joe that and he's very proud of himself. Because he's worried he's the one that invented fat penis. Yeah, I mean, I, once we get the t-shirt stuff taken care of, then I can probably move on. But I just, I put so much into trying to get the t-shirts figured out over the last couple of weeks. Right, and by that he means mostly time into design because when Arthur does art, it is not always a super fast process. But in Arthur's case, you get what you put in. So. I, I thought, I think that the t-shirt design that we have looks cool. Yeah, I think so too. That's what I'm saying. I mean, anybody can Photoshop together, you know, something for a band poster or something like that. But, you know, Arthur does, did all the art by hand. So. Um, yeah. I may have used my penis in there. Dear Rebel FM Crew. I recently bought Red Faction Gorilla, but since I live in Italy, when I stuck in my Xbox, it turned out to be in Spanish. That's got me wondering, why do games not have a language selection anymore? I think a language selection would eliminate problems for gamers abroad, such as me. Um, I would like to know your opinions on the subject joke. Um, the space on the disc. Yeah, I mean, like. The 360 version in particular, that's an issue. First speaking, speaking dialogue, it, it's spoken, spoken dialogue. I'm just saying it's like a, if anything, the best you could hope for is a subtitle. So 72 Lado? Yeah. I mean, really. I mean, maybe the PS3 in this case is might be a situation where the PS3 version is preferable because. The only games I've ever seen that had actual multiple languages you could play in were things like Prince of Persia. I think Heavenly Sword does that. I think a lot of like, exclusive PS3 games do that. Well, but I mean, like I said, Ubisoft games used to do it a lot too. Yeah, because they don't want to manufacture it, like, too many versions. Right. Um, I mean, it just depends on where they're. That art is right for a lot of stuff with spoken dialogue. Having a, having a bunch of actors that you would have to hire. Well, I mean, if they're doing multiple languages, one thing, the art is right. The biggest thing is the space. I mean, they're already compressing the audio so much. Like if you, I mean, I won't, I could go on and ruin audio in most games for people if I were to continue down that tangent. But there's just not enough room for multiple language tracks for most games. Okay. Um, so this next person's not English, so they warned me that they're writing, might not be the best. I mean, they're not a native English speaker. Yes. I am not English whatsoever, so am I writing, might not be the best. That's what they said. That's a fairly, really good sentence. First question. I, as 99% of rebel FM listeners, have interest in video game journalism. And I write for a small Portuguese website, and I wanted to know something. Do you guys, as video game journalists, have a good salary? What is your financial status? So to speak. This is from Joao. I'm pretty sure I'm saying your name right, Joao. So, because I knew Joao. Do you want to, do you want to build that one, Tyler? Financial status. How's your, how's your salary? Treading water. I was so glad I asked for you to answer that. That's what it is. I mean, if you manage to get a job, like with a legit site. But basically, he's asking more, what is the type of salary that people get on here? Well, I will tell you, the starting salary from what I've seen is anywhere between the absolute lowest for people that are ripping you off is like 35,000 in San Francisco. No, I'm saying San Francisco, in my opinion. It's, I mean, when you started it, went up factoring your salary from your hourly pay. No, no, no, no. That doesn't count. I'm saying salary. Like, salarying a permanent position. Social editor. Like, the lowest in the total. Like, 32? No, 35. If, if my opinion, if you're getting paid 35, you're being ripped off in this area. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So. And the reason he says that is because you will be most likely working way more than 40 hours a week. Right. Well, in general, and just living around here on 35,000 a year isn't particularly, like, it's fine if you're renting a cheap apartment and stuff. But if you're actually trying to have a career, it's not very good. I mean, so really starting around here that is good is, is above 40. Really. And it goes up from there, depending on where you work, you know, if it's a larger company, chances are they're going to be able to offer you more money. It's a more successful company. Yeah. So, you know, I have friends that make anywhere from probably, uh, I have a few friends that probably make six figures. And then I have, uh, some that make next to nothing because they're working for startups. You know, it all comes down to who's funding you. Or they're in the, uh, the dark abyss that is intern/contract work. Right. Which is, which is a lot of times going to be most people's entry level position. You know, a lot of times that 35,000 a year, 45,000 a year job is like the position that comes like after they've already done a year. That's my case. Like interns and contractors is like a, maybe 23, 24,000 a year, if that. Yeah. You know, making what I make, I can live fairly comfortably. I mean, I don't, me and Arthur's house isn't full of like super nice furniture or anything like that. You know, it's fine because we wouldn't use it. Yeah. I just think it's like you walk in and we have like a designer looking house, but I mean, I'm paying off my credit cards and I've never been like, I can't afford to thank a gas or, you know, comic books when I want them or an occasional game. I mean, I don't get to, it's like, I go out and spend money frivolously, but I can still have fun. So you live decently enough, especially for someone who's young and not supporting a family or anything. Um, random question, anything, do you have some story with those earrings? You wearing co-op? You must have huge holes in yours? No. That was from as well as well. No, I did. There's no random story. I started off there probably about as big as Arthur's who was on co-op too and just over the course of like four years stretched on the sides at a time. So I wasn't a crazy person that pierced them all big or stretched them all big. Mine are like, are like 10s or 8s? Yeah, and 10s are what I pierced mine at. And then, you know, like, some people will stretch way too fast. That wasn't me. I literally did it since I was 18. So you will get addicted to the stretching. Over the course of time. Right, I always did mine in a painless fashion. All my stretching, because I waited like six months in between sizes, it basically never, there was no pain. I wasn't crazy in trying to force it to have big old holes. So really, and the scheme of things where I live in San Francisco, you can find people with much larger holes in the ears than me. We're pretty conservative as far as body mods go. Yeah. Actually. Um, next letter is from Noah. Who doesn't end with fat penis, does love, but it starts with fat penis. Oh. I heard you guys talking about selling t-shirts for the podcast and that you were probably going to go with American Apparel. I just figured that I've thrown a small suggestion and recommend that you go with no sweat Apparel instead. From what I know about them, they're a very good company. They produce quality, sweatshop-free products. I own a pair of shoes and a few of their organic t-shirts and they're pretty awesome, or pretty comfortable is what he says, and sturdy. However, they are running into certain financial difficulties. They do bulk custom printed shirts and it'd be wicked cool if you could help them out by ordering from them. Once again, they're a good company and American Apparel isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so why not support no sweat instead? Uh, I don't know if we're going to go with no sweat, but the reason I read is because he also said, he also said that, you know, even if we don't go with them, maybe we could just read their name on air since they're, you know, and I support that. I'm big into companies that don't use sweatshop later. That's one of the reasons why we're into American Apparel. Exactly. Despite all the fucking bullshit that American Apparel entails. Mm-hmm. It's a rough situation to be in to want to buy clothes if, like, you actually give a shit about where they come from. Because, like, if it's not, like, American Apparel fits well and they're not made by sweatshops and they pay their workers what for them is a very, very good wage. And they put a lot of money into, like, actively speaking into, like, legalizing, you know, immigration status and, you know, a lot of these things, more workers' rights, which, you know, are other things that I support as well. And the owner is also a complete drug doubt misogynist. Right. And they're totally, like, they're some of the worst hipster offenders there are. And so we'll look into no sweat. Yeah. As long as they're short, I mean, I'm down to learn. That sounds cool. I mean, I'd be curious to know how they fit. Like, other than American Apparel, I think the only other company who's teacher, it's I really like, are threadless's teeth. It's true, but occasionally I even had some Haynes' teeth. Yeah, like, this is a Haynes' teeth that I like. Yeah. Yeah. It just depends. Yeah. Um, the next is from Joshua, a.k.a. the Vamp. Uh, recently had a weird dream about rebel within the co-op teams. And the dream, this starts off with a real weird dream, but there's a question at the end. All you guys came down to the Midwest to see Transformers 2. I had one special rebel contest that allowed me to join all you. My excitement was overwhelming. The day consisted of hanging around my undisclosed Midwest town, going to undisclosed Midwest stores, namely Walmart, and having it in all right time. Then things get weird and abandoning as we wait for at the man. Like, Joshua, thank you for riding. Some of you're spelling it. It's kind of funny because it reminds me of this internet video. How is Babbie formed? How girl get pregnant? You've been going on about this fucking video. They need to do away and stain mothers who kill their babbies. Sorry. Anyway. Um, I can hear everyone talking about how weird I am and that I bug everyone. This doesn't bug me because I get it a lot and don't give a shit. But it made me think of something. Do you hate your fans or do you appreciate their semi-stockish behavior? Do you find my dream stalker-ish or flattering or just plain fucked up creepy? Okay. So, Anthony, as someone who was approached at the fucking Ikea this weekend. I find it. In general, it's flattering. And I kind of just feel silly in a way. Like, I don't warrant any additional respect from anyone. Which is true. Yeah. I had someone walk up and tell me once that they really looked up to me. And, uh, I don't feel like I have any wish at the fucking time. I'm not a role model. Yeah. That's the thing. I share a lot of personal things on this show so I know some people feel like they really know me. I got that a lot when we did the rubble if I meet up in LA. And I appreciate that. But at the same time, it's like, uh, I mean, I like that people feel like they know me because it actually makes it really easy to get along with them. But at the same time, I don't feel like, uh, if anything, my, my, what I tell you on this show should not make you look up to me. So, um, no, it's, it's flattering. I mean, you know, it's, it's, and it's, uh, I mean, I gotta imagine that if you're, um, first off, I'm not using the term celebrity to say that we are. We're minor internet celebrities here in there. Which means nothing. Um, but I'm saying like real celebrities, like Ashton Kutcher or something, that's when it probably becomes kind of annoying, right, when you can't do anything. But like if I'm eating and I occasionally get recognized or something, like every fan I've ever had, no one's ever been like abrasive or like not knowing when I wanted my me time or something like that, you know, I, I, I enjoy our fans. I don't hate our fans at all. I may poke fun at some of the writing they do sometimes, but. We also make fun of each other on our, on a regular basis. Right. So I just kind of poke fun at a lot of things that I shouldn't. Like religion. As far as, as I go, I'm, I'm managing to remain the anonymous one because my face isn't really out there, except I'm co-op. Like that one episode. And I don't even know that you'd be able to recognize me in public. I find that, uh, it may just be the, uh, listenership that we have, but, uh, I get multiple letters that tell me that I am a good looking man, but, caveat, they're all from men. [laughs] So I, I, I at least know that. It's not asking that you stop. Right. I mean, the effect of matter is like, I totally had gay people tell me that they thought I was good looking and stuff and it's flattering. I don't care. I'm not afraid to say that it's flattering being told that some of us are attracted no matter what preference they are. Even if they do have a piece. Yeah. So I'm just saying, um, no, in general, I find it flattering and I think all of our fans have been nothing but awesome so far. So if you saw it as E3 or any other thing that you didn't come up and say hi because you were afraid or whatever, you shouldn't be. Not in our case. It will be nice. I think people that came up and talked to us can attest to that. So. And if I seem like I'm in a bad mood, it's not your fault at all. Someone else is probably pissing me out. Okay. No comment. I was listening. Yeah, it's probably fucking Arthur. I was listening to the Thanksgiving special and I heard the letter about how Fat Penis changed the way a guy and his friends interact. I like to say that it has changed how me and my girlfriend interact also. When we have conversations where we joke around by teasing each other sexually. There are times when there are awkward pauses when we cross the line. To remedy this, we use Fat Penis to remind ourselves that we aren't being serious and we're just having fun. Fat Penis may be the sole reason that we can continue to have a relationship and don't offend each other. Also, I have a story about pooping in my shorts. For my birthday, I buy a lot of food for lunch because I love- There's so much ammunition in this letter. Because I love buying fast food. So one year I went to Taco Bell and ordered about $20 worth of food for myself. Something I can appreciate. Which is like $20 at Taco Bell. Jesus Christ, that's like a sack of food. That could feed like a high school. I'm feeling gassy just hearing that. I too have had some pretty infamous fast food trips myself, so I'm right there with you. After I finished the meal, I went to the computer and as I was sitting, I felt I needed a fart. I assumed that it would just be a fart so I let it rip. After letting it rip, I sat there thinking, "Huh, this doesn't feel like a fart." Not sure exactly what just happened. I wiggled my butt a little curious of why there was more weight to my shorts than there was before. At that moment, I realized I just had a massive wet dump in my shorts. Yup, took me about a full minute to realize I just pooped my shorts. Thankfully, this experience did not ruin Taco Bell for me. The experience just taught me if I eat Taco Bell and feel a fart coming up, I should do it on top of a toilet. That is what we call the Taco Bell. Please don't read this on the air because I don't want my girlfriend to hear. Oops. Love the podcast, Sam. He didn't say that part about his girlfriend, but it would be hilarious if he did. I'm now imagining a situation where at this very moment, he's listening to it with his girlfriend and then he looks at her after some awkward silence and goes, "What penis?" What penis? That was it. I'm glad that fat penis sets such a profound effect on your relationship. In the future, for letters... You can direct them to letters@eat-sleep-game.com. Yeah, letters@eat-sleep-game.com. We made a separate email address for them. That way, there's never any confusion about because I've gotten a few that say, "You know, I'm not sure where to send letters, so I just picked you because you were on the list." Now, you know, you can still send letters to us individually, but the likelihood of them getting read on the show is greatly increased by sending them to the official letter spot now. So, Tyler, where can people find you on the internet? Twitter/dirtytea.com/dirtytea.com/dirtytea. Like the drink? If people don't know, it's twitter.com at this point. No, I was just Twitter. Where have you been? Twitter.dirtytea.com. Wait. So, okay. And I'm also doing the Fight Night for Guide. For my cheats. For my cheats. You? Twitter.com/AEGIS and other venues. Perhaps. Apparently, that thing I did for current went on satellite television in the UK. It's too bad there wasn't any credits part to it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if there was or not. I don't know what. I don't live in the UK. Apparently, current TV in the UK showed my red faction 18 video. So, you can find me, Anthony, at twitter.com/chefmoney. Not "chef monkey", like some people seem to think. I see. I have the sneaking suspicion that, and call me crazy, that Dana Young Award might be saying that to piss you off. No, no, no. She's not. Dana doesn't need to antagonize me. And you can find all of my work, including a review of Overlord 2 and Overlord 3. Most recently, at GameSpy, which is where I do my professional writing. That's Anthony's corner. Yeah. Frequin' it. Yeah. Please. Yeah. So, yeah, subscribe to the podcast if you guys haven't already. There should be a link on our site, but you can also just look it up. We're going to go check out the link in the description. We're going to go check out the link in the description. We're going to go check out the link in the description. 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