Rebel FM
Rebel FM Episode 22 - 06/17/09
Every time we try to do a low-key short show, we seem to find weird (and non-sequitur) reserves of energy. It's the usual three man love fest (wait) this week as Anthony Gallegos, Tyler Barber and I (Arthur Gies) talk about how weird it is for us to love a golf game, leaks in gaming media (of which we are apparently not immune!), and end with letters. That ask about poop. May the Goddess of the universe exchange twitter followers to bestow a fatter penis.This week's music, in order of appearance:All That Remains - Not AloneLittle Boots - MeddleTurbonegro - Death From Above
[Music] [Music] Hello, welcome to Rebel from 22. 22. 22. It's the first birthday where it means nothing. 22 straight weeks. 22. Not 22 straight weeks. We missed, we missed two weeks. 22 means things. I got my 22 right up in my waist. Ain't no time to waste. I'm talking about birthdays. 22 is kind of important. It wasn't like all of a sudden you could drink or something, but 22 is important in the sense that, I don't know, it was another double-digit birthday. Those are few and far between. 22 is when you start barreling towards every other year. I mean the next important one is like what? 25, you can rent a car? Yeah, I think 25 is more like, it was when you're like, I don't know if it's the same, but in Texas, like your driver's insurance gets cut dramatically when you turn 20. It's a way in California too. I guess that's, yeah. Maybe that's, especially as a male once you hit 25. I guess you're okay. I've gotten all the wild oats. Since I guess new people do listen to the podcast. Yeah, we got a couple letters like that. I'm Anthony Gagos from GameSpy.com. Formallyof1up.com. With me is Arthur Geese from eatsleepgame.com where the podcast is hosted. He makes it all look pretty. Basically he makes everything that looks, anything that has a visual to it. Arthur did it. And these days most anything that has words there? Arthur did it. Besides me and Tyler's Twitter. And Tyler is also here. Tyler is also here. Mr. Select the rewind of it. I really am going to start cutting that out every time you say it. This is why, first of all, this is why sometimes I tell Arthur maybe I should edit the podcast. So they won't cut out Tyler's antics. I don't mind Tyler's antics. It's just that one. His, that one came and it was cool and it hung out. And then it started drinking alcohol and got weird. I know, but see Jody encourages me. Like that's her new favorite catch line of mine. So it's like we're always hanging out. Actually, it's not mine. It was straight up from Flight of the Concordes. Checking that boom, boom. I've been up with that boom, boom. You know that one? I'm okay with you talking to Flight of the Concordes. Yeah. But this podcast is about video games. And often about shameful stories from our lives. Let's start it off before we go into what we've been playing. I actually want to go into when Tyler crapped his pants. No, I thought we were going to... Is there a letter? Is there a letter? There is a letter. Do you have that letter? I do have that letter. It was sent to me because someone apparently really wanted to know when the last time I shat my pants was. Oh man, you got a... They've got disappointment in their future. You should have forwarded me that so I could have printed it out. I think it showed up yesterday. They're saved trees. So let's talk about what we've been playing. You two started off with Tiger Woods. So, man, so much pressure. Yeah. Being the lead-off hitter. So, I left it open for either of you take that. Oh, I mean, I'll take the initiative. I'll make the first move, hand-down pants. So, yeah, I'm playing Tiger Woods. Oh, 10. Oh, 10. It's so stupid that they're calling everything 10 this year. I remember hearing people talk about this earlier in the year and thinking it's going to be a sad time for EA Sports when they're fucking calling all their shit 10. But anyway, I'm playing Tiger Woods 10 and it's really fucking good. You're playing the 360 version? I am playing the 360 version. Which is identical to the PS3 version. Yes. Which is different than the Wii version with Motion Plus, which I believe you played as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've played both versions quite a lot. I have never played a golf game, much less a Tiger Woods game. No, I mean, have you played the Wii game with Wii Sports? I probably tried it. Which, yeah. I mean, everyone has played everything in Wii Sports at this point, right? Yeah. But, I mean, that wasn't really, I don't know, was that much of a golf game? Yeah, I mean, it is okay. I mean, as much as the tennis game was a tennis game. I mean, it used the rules. It was more of a golf game than tennis was a tennis game. So, I mean, other, I guess other than that, which apparently made so little an impression that I don't even think about it when someone says golf games. Yeah. Yeah. We only played Wii Sports a couple of times together ever, though. Mm-hmm. Well, did you play Wii? Other people I know have Wii's, especially in San Diego. Mm-hmm. Where I occasionally go to visit and relive traumatic childhood memories. So, I've never played a Tiger Woods game. And every year when they come out and people talk about how great Tiger Woods games are, or how little they've changed, none of that means fuck all to me. Right. Yeah. Because I don't care about golf. I don't care about Tiger Woods games. Yeah, and I'm sort of in the same boat. And the reason why I say sort of is just because my roommate back in Houston, you know, I lived with him for three years. He had two different versions. I think he bought '06 and then he bought '08 and waited a year. So it's, you know, vicariously played them through my roommate. And by that I mean watching him. And like when he would always play, I would get so frustrated at the announcers and how they would just be like, oh, that's a terrible putt. That's a horrible putt. You know, I was just like, can you call an airstrike these guys? Did I have an airstrike button in Tiger Woods? They do have a mute button. I mean, there should be an airstrike button in Tiger Woods. I played real golf. Did you? Yeah. I took golf lessons for a summer. How was that? I enjoyed it a lot. I was quite good for someone who had never played before. But nowadays I probably couldn't even hit a ball like 50 yards. You think? I feel like you've got enough heft. Hitting a golf ball. I bet you all of this would top it, which means you'd like skim the top and not really get behind it. Like it'd probably take all of this. Like I would probably actually take a bunch of ground with it. That's what I'm saying. So you would probably not even hit 50 yards. It'd probably just catch mostly ground. I'm just saying like you'd be surprised like out of 20 balls you might hit one, right? I mean, I'm not saying that it's easy by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, I mean, I used to go to the driving range like three times a week with my dad. Yeah, I was going to say I remember the one time like I tried to like actually drive a golf ball. And like I don't even think I hit it once. Golf is, it's just that golf is like such a, or for a long time golf was such a, an upper class or upper middle class game. It's starting to expand like more and more high schools have golf teams. Right, but I would still say that it's still an upper class. Yeah, which is so far from like anything that I ever had growing up. So I mean, and that and I didn't give two shits about sports growing up either. Neither did I but my dad liked golf and my mom like tennis. So those were the only two I ever tried. I was, I remember appreciating tennis because all of their pay is so closely matched to performance. And I guess it's the same thing in golf really. Yeah, except in tennis, I don't know if it's the same with golf, but women tennis players make like 30% less. Even for the same tournament, like if they win, the men's finalist always makes more than the woman. Yeah, the women are so much prettier. Glass ceiling man, glass ceiling. So, uh, but Tiger Woods, guys played it. Arthur Tyler actually took a photo with the next box vision cam and put himself on there. Tyler's character came out, I mean Arthur's character came out a lot like, like an albino African American. It's only in the shots that you've seen of him. It actually, occasionally it's a little creepy. Because the shape of his face, like the way he looks, he doesn't look like, like, he just looks like, uh, I guess the best, I mean, he just looks like, he looks like a black person in a lot of ways. Is that okay to say? Well, no, that's perfectly fine to say. I mean, the African features. There is like the race, X, Y and, you know, X and Y. That's what I'm saying. I've seen him albino African American people, and he looks like that, even with the red hair that he has going on for whatever reason. Which wasn't red, and then it shifted to red. I'm telling you, I mean, I don't know how I figured out he was an albino. I've, I've done face capture in... Okay, Rimbosix, it looks pretty bad. It wasn't that bad. The only problem was that the light hit my head in a very specific way. Yeah, because you had to put the light on so bright. Yeah. And so Arthur's head was like bright, bright, bright on the top. And like to the point where a couple people that we found online that we played with started calling my character Flashbang. Ha ha ha! So you did the face capture thing? How'd that work out? Yeah, it actually, like when I did it, and it takes about 20 minutes to render once you take a front and side photo and line up the dots. But afterwards, it looked pretty damn close. So I went in. Did you put glasses on yourself? No, um, no. You can buy glasses. Yeah, you can buy them. So I went in afterwards and you're able to edit it further. And I just really tweaked it, really honed it in. And then my avatar looks just like me. It's ridiculous how much my character looks like me in Tiger Woods. You can also take normal pictures and upload them to EA Sports's site, I think, and then connect through your 360 year or through your... Which might be a good idea to do because the next, see I did that at night. Division cam sucks in low light. Yeah, it does, but you need low light for this because the next day during the day, Jodi came home and I was like, "You gotta do this. This is amazing. Let's do this." And so we set it up and there was a lot more lighting for Jodi. It was during the day we had light coming in through the windows and I was like, "Cool, let's do this." So we took the photos, let it render it out. And dude, it took all the lighting in the room and made Jodi, and you can't adjust this color. She looks like Pam. I mean, she looks like Casper. It is the widest white, you can... You're dating powder is what you're saying. It's terrible. And then so we tried to do it again and I was covering our windows. I was literally standing, trying to stretch my body out to cover up all the shadows, like still way too fast. It's like you're evading surveillance from the people that are always watching or something. Yes. So low light with the vision camera is a good thing for the Tiger Woods face camera. Yeah, I mean, I might try it at some point. You can always do it. You can change the way your golfer looks later. Yeah. I heard some people complaining that in the tournaments and stuff, how long you've been grinding your character. It makes a difference. So, this is on Penny Arcade today, actually, with a... That's actually probably why I wrote it. Awwww. I spelt soda on my tummy. That was sad. I hate when that happens. I hate when that particular spill happens because it's like you're in a half lean. So it's kind of like you're half leaning on the couch. You're not fully laying down. You're not fully sitting up. And it's like you just wanted to leisurely sip of your diet Pepsi, but... Yeah, now I'm feeling it against my breasts. Yep. Your boobs feel sweaty. Oh, man. It looks so trashy, too, with the white shirt. Ready to roll instead of, like, married with children or something like that. You've never looked at lactating Dr. Pepper. Oh, you've never looked as working class Mexican as you do right now. Yeah. It's like you should be going to mow on. Alright. Man, this is a podcast. It's just drifting out to see. So, Mike on Penny Arcade or Gabe, as he's probably already known, was talking about the thing that bothers him every year about Tiger Woods, although he continues to buy it. I don't think we can call Mike, by the way. No. No, I feel like we have to use their full names. Mike Krahulik. Mm-hmm. I'm just afraid that I'm going to mispronounce his name. As someone whose last name is always mispronounced, I get worried about especially that name. I wouldn't know how to say it. I think it's Krahulik that sounds... No, that looks right to me. How are we seeing him like Krahulik? So? Polish or Czech? Maybe. Anyway, he talked about how every year he buys Tiger Woods... Goddamn you two. Every year he buys Tiger Woods, and every year it's the same, which is that instead of your golfer being having a flat skill level and then your performance being dependent on, did you stop fondling yourself, please? My nipples gone erect through the coke. Instead of just being good in your level of play, determining how well you do, it's like an RPG. You have to grind your way towards higher skills. I mean, I was talking to Tyler about this, and I was telling him how I started Pebble Beach or whatever, and I look at everyone's else's scores, which are like 15 or 20 under par, and I'm like struggling to make two or three over par. Right. Didn't he make a point that to where he was talking about, like no human should be getting like minus 30 under par or something like that? I think it's that if people are like getting 15 or 20 under par, then obviously the par number isn't correct anymore, because par is supposed to be like an average of how much it takes to get to that. I think this is coming from someone who's semi-ignoring about golf rules other than you hit the ball and hope it goes in the hole with an set number of strokes. Right. And then when you, what's funny is that if you simulate around instead of playing it, then your golfer will totally do like 44 under par for three rounds or something like that. Not really. Every time I would simulate my golfer would lose and get kicked out of the turn. So you don't have to play tournament qualified. You don't have to play every event I don't think. I think you can just simulate certain events. You can only simulate I think two events in a row and then you have to play the next one. Yeah. That keeps you from having to like play a tournament really hardcore all the time. Yeah, I guess so. One thing I did find out is that if you feel like you're doing super terrible, you can quit out of the tournament and it doesn't save your progress, which is a double-edged sword, so you can either start all over, which is good, or if you haven't finished an event and you need to go somewhere and turn off the system, then you're fucked because it takes a while to play through fighting 18 holes. It's like it's cool. Put it on pause. Yeah. I've caddied 18 holes. You don't burn down the house. It was horrible. You've caddied before? 18 holes. I caddied from my friend and I remember one point. How many people were playing? Three. So you had to, yeah, at least in this you don't have to wait for other people to take their shots. And at some point he threw a golf club at me because I was saving this one joke until he was really mad because he got really mad when he played golf. I could see that. And he fucking missed really bad, the ball. And I said, "Man, I didn't know we were golfing with Helen Keller." And he just fucking turned into the club. Wouldn't he be able to find it by touch a little better, Helen Keller? Well, it was the combination of him missing the ball and the fact that, you know... I think it would have been funny. He started making guttural sounds. I think it would have been funny or if you said that he golfs like Anne Frank, but that could just be me. No, that's just you, you're a horrible person. No, it's an obscure Quirk's reference. Um, it's a Quirk. Have you never seen Quirk's two? I've seen Quirk's. You've seen Quirk's two? Yeah. The borrower is talking about the guy with the blog who's disabled. Yes. And he's like Helen Keller or Anne Frank, damn you, Tyler. I'm drawing a blank. I've seen Quirk's two once, so... Were you spinning your dreads around your finger while you were watching it? Probably. No. Hold on. Uh, so the grinding sucks. Because basically, you cannot win at first. Right. You can finish and your performance gives you points. Can you play other things to build up your skill before going into it? Uh, yes. You can play just, you can just play normal courses and upgrade your stats, but the amount of time that you would have to put into all of that before you got into your career proper is a little ridiculous. Ridiculous. And here's the weird thing about it. The difference between the Wii and the 360 PS3 versions in this regard is on the Wii when you finish your round and you know how you give in your points. You can, like, there's a certain amount of general points where you can just go in and put them wherever you want. Whereas Tiger Woods on the 360-- It assigns you points based on your performance. It assigns on how well you did. If you're doing horribly at cutting, which everyone does-- Yeah, let's say you fucking sink into the pine needles or whatever on the side and you take, like, four or five strokes to get back under the green, it will fucking murder your percentages. Yeah. I've seen mine. Scores go down. I did so bad. Like, how is that going to help anybody? The stern golfing tutor says, "It was a rough round for you. We got some drills." Yeah. So after every round, your stats will change depending on your performance and then you'll have drills to do. Which will basically take, like, shots that you ostensibly fucked up and have you redo them in sort of trick style. Which is kind of funny because on the one hand it'll have, like, I did a drive where I hit it 300 yards, but for some reason it decided that it needed me to go just like that extra foot. And then on another one it shows me, like, slicing, like, super badly to the left and not getting anywhere near where I needed to be. And I'm just like, so basically, whether I sink a hole in one or throw my club across the ground and fucking old lady on the side, it's still going to have a drill that first shows me doing that and then makes me try to do that shot correctly. Right? You know, I kind of enjoyed the drills because at first I felt like they were really teaching me, like, how to play better and then I just didn't really get better and then I just kind of got angry at them. But one thing I like about the drills is, you know, it might, you know, it'll give you your first task, like, hit the ball in this circle and it's like a really, it's sort of a small circle when you, you know, you try it. And so when you do it, they say, okay, and then they give you another challenge where, you know, you can hit the ball into the circle for however many times you can in a minute and every time you make a ball and you get more time. And so, like, the more you do that kind of stuff, that's a really good way to build your skills because then you're getting these bonus points on top of your... I mean, it's good practice, but there are some things that I wish were in the game that it doesn't seem like are like a more robust putting trainer would have been nice. The putting trainer is definitely lacking. When I started, I mean, I'm still sort of this way, I started that game like happy fucking Gilmore to the point where I would do these huge drives and then take like 37 shots to finally make it into the hole. To the point where they have happy Gilmore quotes in the game where if you get in your home, that's your home. My fucking golfer says that like at least once a match. Right. Yeah, and you know, I was talking to my roommate about this who had played, I think it was '06 and '08, excuse me, and he was basically saying the same thing. Like, you know, I would feel super confident on my drives, I'd feel super confident on my approach, you know, but once you get to the green, so sometimes, you know, if you're just out of luck, you might take eight shots, put it in the hole, you know, and that's on the green. It took me forever to figure out that there is like a putting preview. Right, yeah, that thing ever tells you. That thing ever tells you. I would use that a lot, actually. I mean, it is pretty helpful. It is required for me to use the putting preview. This all sounds, I mean, does this sound so boring, doesn't it? No. The game, it's fine. It is really fun. But here's what I would have to say. Where our instincts might direct us to say, like, you know, any game that comes out multi-platform for Wii PS3360, we would all tend to think that the PS3360 would be the most fully developed, the ones who are the most feature rich. But no, the Wii version is the one that is really, it's the best Tiger 10 game this year. And not only because of the motion controls, but just because of like what exactly we're talking about. It's much better at teaching you putting the puddings a lot easier. You know, it has three different difficulties of swing level for you. You know, it's where it's, you know, I found that by using the Wii version of Tiger Woods as like a cross trainer, my game improved in my 360 game because I was like using, you know, trying all play, seeing how things went. You know, and I mean... I think that the 360 and PS3 versions seem more sim-heavy, like more career-heavy, more like, more hardcore for lack of a less obnoxious turn. Yeah, I totally agree. But at the same time, like the advanced swing controls with the Wii Motion Plus are so, like, are ridiculously sensitive. So there's a lot of challenge there, too. So to move on to that, I mean, how is your initial impressions with Wii Motion Plus? The Wii Motion Plus, it's, you know, like Tiger Woods and in the tennis game that just came out, they're almost perfect applications for it. And like, it seems like the sport of golf can really hide the limitations of the Motion Plus, which it's funny, I already talked about motion limitations. Is there input lag still? Um, I didn't notice any input lag, really. It seemed very, I mean, it seemed instant. The thing about, the thing that I thought was weird about swinging your, uh, club, was it seemed like there were three different phases of your swing where it would detect your movement, and that those were very regimented. So it's like when you first point your we-mote downward, you know, you put your club down like you're about to swing. And there's a little, there's a little heads-up display in the bottom corner of your screen that shows the angle of your golf club to the ball. And then when you swing back, that kind of stops. Like, it doesn't, obviously, it doesn't check that anymore. And it kind of checks your tilt and angle on your backswing. And then it, as you're swinging forward, it checks the tilt and angle on your forward swing. So it's kind of compartmentalized in that way. You know, it's not- That also sounds super intimidating. Yeah, it's not all one, but the thing about it is, that sounds like golf to me. Yeah, that's advanced, but with like standard and all play, those are less sensitive. All play being like, all you have to do is match the power behind the ball. So, and, uh, and really, um, I felt like I could golf much better in Tiger Woods Wii than I could on the 360 with the standard golf controls. I really didn't fuck with the advanced too much, because it was like- I was getting my ass both the way away. Which, on the, on the Wii version, you mean the advanced controls? Yeah. Okay. I mean, this isn't to say that the controls on the 360 version are bad, because I don't think that they are. No. Um, I actually really like them. I don't think it's the control. They're really comfortable. Yeah. They make sense. I mean, the way that you swing is you pull the stick back and then slack, like slap it forward. Um, which gives you a pretty, pretty granular level of control. And then, of course, there's building up your, your turbo when you're making your strokes or whatever. Right. I just, it feels very intuitive. So it, I mean, in that respect, it's still fun. But I'm, I'm definitely interested in trying the Wii version. We don't, I don't think we, we have, we have a copy, I think. Yeah. We just don't have much of those things. Yeah. Exactly. Like, one of the best things, in my opinion, now this was kind of split. I read some other reviews that thought differently. I think, like, one of the selling points of the entire game is just the fact that it has Frisbee golf. Like, that's so fucking fun, in my opinion. But other reviewers thought it was just trash. But, so if you've never played Frisbee golf, they call it disc golf because Frisbee is a brand. Um, it's, you know, you basically, instead of a golf club and a golf ball, you have a Frisbee. And you play it just like golf, where, you know, you have your drive, you know, you chunk your Frisbee down the field and pick it up as far as it goes, get to the hole, and there's a little basket instead of a hole that you make it into. Yeah. The ones I've always seen are baskets with, like, chains. Yeah. They have a little chain on it. So not to, like, make it so if you hit the chain, it'll fall in. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, and it's, it's, it's a ton of fun. And if you're, if you're the type of gamer who you want to understand the differences in technology between like the Wii remote, the Natal and Sony's motion controller, it's a really good example because like when you're holding the Frisbee, like, yeah, the hand on screen mimics, like every slight rotation of your wrist, but it's like fixed on a pivot point. Whereas like the Sony motion controls have, you know, what they were talking about is like the full 3D space technology, where if you stepped closer to your TV, the Frisbee would move forward in the 3D space of the game. So, it's a thing with the tall, right, but, um, yeah, yeah, so, but, yeah, but just getting back to Frisbee golf, like it's like really super fun, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy fun. And, uh, and I think it's going to cause a lot of people to smash their weeds into their TV again, the remote, but you shouldn't be playing without the wrist strap. I know. That's true. Yeah. But I got lazy. Because it came with the new, um, you know, the motion plus can add adaptation or add-on comes with the big old condom correct, the magnum week on them, you know, kind of damn you both. It does look like a week on them. It does. I mean, it essentially is, but goddamn it. It's cushioned on the front. All right. Does fly a new TV. It'll probably be okay. Uh, I mean, I'm interested in picking up some motion plus stuff for us to try out, but apparently a game stop, they're charging five dollars more. Tyler gave, Tyler gave the weavers and five out of five stars on GameSpy. Sure did. I mean, it's, it really, and it's the first perfect score I've ever given. Let me ask you a question. Like, how do you feel rating that game as someone who hasn't played, like other Tiger Woods guys? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, I struggled with that. But like I would be hard pressed to score Tiger Woods 10 on three six because it's, it's, it's fair to grade each game on its own merits rather than how it improved necessarily from the last one. See, I don't, I don't know that it is though, because the people that buy those games are so interested in the. Well, right. But you're not writing it. You're not necessarily writing it for that person. You're writing it just based on how is this game on its own. I mean, I mean, here's the thing. Those are both good points and I consider both of those. And so what I did was I, I did a lot of research just to make sure I knew what was new. You know, and then the little, little press kit that they gave me like it showed me everything that was new for this feature. And it seemed like they added a whole bunch of play modes. And then, you know, when I do things like, you know, I just go into like the golf dictionary or glossary that they have there and it's just like so many turns, I can see that this is a game that golfers would love. And for me, the other reason why I thought it gets a perfect score is because not only does it have all that hardcore stuff, but it's the same game that a 30 year old fucking software engineer come home, play Wii, his six year old daughter can put it on all play and play and have just as good as the time right next to it. Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I'm not disputing any review is to, is to review it based on your personal experience, not on what you perceive an audience would think or care about. I just, I feel that that's dismissive of a, of a group of people that, I think the thing with sports games that, that sort of perplexes me as far as writing a review for it is that the people that I would be talking to is someone who's never played a Tiger Woods game, like are the least interested in, in that game. I mean, we've been talking about Tiger Woods for like the last 25 minutes or whatever. Yeah. But how many people are, yeah, I mean, our audience has probably stopped listening. But the point I'm making is that, is that beside all that, when you write a review, it's about your personal experience, you're not writing it for a group of people, you're not setting it out to write it for like a group of Tiger Woods fans, because you don't want to get caught in that loop of fans will probably think, no, it's what you think and have your experience with it. Right. Well, but then there's also the sort of consumer reports slash consumer advocate side of writing review, right? Which is pretty much the only game spot is the one that does that and I don't, I don't think that that's how games should be reviewed. So I have an off and as long as Tyler's writing reviews for us, he's not going to be doing it that way either. You're not in charge of reviews. Yeah. And at the same time, like that, that was the kind of the, you know, when I was going into the video, I was like, man, I really don't know much about golf. So fuck it. I'm just going to write about my experience only. That was another thing that I was just like, and I think that's a valid opinion. I mean, I got to be honest, a lot of the people that are going to go out and buy Tiger Woods day one are probably going to do it anyways, because they aren't going to care what you have to say about it. I mean, that's the other thing about sport reviews. I feel like a lot of people don't, they're not as influential even. I'm not even saying most reviews are influential, but I'm saying I think sport reviews are even less. Yeah. You know, when you were talking about here, when we were talking like just a second ago, I was thinking that, yeah, you know, review that sports games come out every year and the reviews skew lower, you know, because of what we're talking about, the iterative process where reviewers are kind of looking and saying like, well, how much did you add from last year? And I think, you know, since they have games that come out every year and they're going to sell every year, you know, it kind of makes up for it. I mean, my question for like grading the 360 version would be like, why would someone buy this version over last year's version? I mean, you, you, you're talking about not wanting to grade as a consumer advocate. Well, that's fine. Well, we're not. I can't. You shouldn't be grading in a vacuum compared to other games either. So if there's another game that essentially does the exact same thing or does almost exactly the same thing for a quarter of the price, right, but I'm just saying if you don't know that then you don't know it and you shouldn't make any assumptions about an assumed audience. When you're reviewing a game and you don't have that knowledge, you just review it as what it is to you. If you do have that knowledge, great apply it, but I'm just saying, you know, you'll make that apparent or not in your review. You've played the others as a person that's played other Tiger Woods games, blah, blah, blah. But if you haven't, then it's still okay. It doesn't make your score any less valid. It's still your score for your experience. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. I think like just ultimately like disclosure is the main thing. I think what reviews is the audience just really needs to know where you're coming from. Right. It's going to be two equals to games that I didn't play the first one and I made it. I would just say as much, you know, but yeah. What else have you guys been playing? I stopped playing prototype because it just lost my attention and I'm feeling open world about it. You didn't get to the like hour long boss fight. No, I didn't. It marks the halfway point in seeing like seeing a sliver of you playing that just made me that much less interested in playing prototype. Like I tried to be like the devil's advocate for prototype and the lead up to its release like especially with all the comparisons to infamous and I still feel like those comparisons aren't fair because they're so different in what they do. People are saying that's bullshit. They are fair. No, but it's not fair. I mean, infamous and prototype play extremely differently. Well, I'm sure they play different. Like comparisons inevitably, it'd be like if a Call of Duty comes out and then like another first-person sure comes out that is the middle of an airborne. The middle of an airborne. The middle of an airborne is like totally way more arcade game and stuff like that, but they would still get compared. But it's more like comparing a Call of Duty with some kind of action title. I mean because in prototype, you're all about throwing things and it's true, but you're firing from a distance. Where you go into shiny little circles to get missions, you're still a character that's like getting superpowers. It's just like there's so many things. But those are all like such abstract concepts compared to the way that it's executed. They're like Jesus Christ, these are like so similar. No. Okay. Superpowered guy in a city. I mean, that's every fucking comic book ever. Superpower guy in a city that is an open world game. Again, it's that's such a broad category. And they're coming out so close to another, that comparisons are inevitable. I'm not saying they're inevitable. I'm not saying that they should. I'm not saying I don't understand why the comparison is made. I'm saying that it's not a fair comparison because they're so different on a totally like on a level that goes outside of superhero games, infamous is a better made game than prototype is. Right. And I think most people say that when they're carrying the two. I feel like a more apt comparison if you're looking for this kind of experience would be cracked down. I'm just saying it's still perfectly fair that it's not like there's some scale of fairness that makes it unfair. I mean, if I want to make that comparison, I can make that comparison because they do have enough similar to them. I think that would be like comparing Grand Theft Auto 4 and Red Faction Gorilla, which I don't think would be a very valid person either. It's not that far. I mean, they're very closely related. In fact, you're not blowing up buildings and shit and in a. You're not eating people and infamous. Actually, I guess technically that's not true is it because you can bio leech and infamous, but I mean, it's just either way, either way, yeah, this is a big circular. Basically it's a much more valid thing to compare it to like crackdown. Crackdown does a lot of the things that prototype wants to do better. Yeah, but I still think prototype does movement better than any of the crackdown or infamous in a way. It is the most like infamous is still really fun to get around, but I still think prototype is the most fun just to get around just to run around in fly places because they make it so easy. Yeah. Literally the sense of speed you get and sense of force you get is like an over enthusiastic five year old that just like runs everywhere you get buildings. You can fucking go flying over cars is just like they have that down. But then if you're, if, for example, you're telling your five year old to run to that bush that happens to be next to the freeway, hopefully you can tell them to stop soon enough for them not to get hit by a car does get a little unwieldy at times. I mean, I, there's this will sound semantic, but there's a difference to me behind between something that responds to the controller and feels responsive. And this prototype in a lot of ways doesn't feel responsive because I don't feel like he's doing what I want him to do. Like he's doing things in response to control the controller, but it's not necessarily what I expected he would do. I don't even mean no sense boy. I got to get what you're saying. I can't understand. I can't hear you. Yeah. And I was really impressed with prototype when they were showing a lot of the developer diary, just showing the tech behind it, how, you know, they showed him running down the street and they were like cabs flying through the air and he would just kind of very fluidly navigate through the cabs, you know, just like very quickly. But then I heard some people kind of talking about it in a way that made it sound really like they look, it sounds silly, like it looks really it is ridiculous in parts. And that's fine. I mean, it's a video game. Yeah. It's true. But give it a ridiculous story like crackdown had not a serious Alex Mercer story like prototype. It is pretty heavy handed in the narrative department. The crackdown was crackdown story in the way that it was narrated and stuff was silly too, which went perfectly. Well, crack down. I mean, the plot was like a very thin, like sort of narrative that was designed solely to loosely link the three areas together. Yeah. And that's what that's what that's what prototype needed. Prototype didn't need some hardcore over the web of intrigue. It's just in the storytelling, like I know now I know that I wasn't the only one that felt like was I not paying enough attention because I read Brad Schudemaker's review giant bomb and he was talking about how like the cut scenes would cut off in awkward places where he'd be like, wait, what's going on, which reading his review and hearing him talk about it was really funny to me because he gave it a four and talked about on the on giant bombs podcast, how much he liked it. And also said that he broke a controller playing it. Like he threw his controller and cracked it playing it and I almost saw you do that two nights ago. Yeah. Well, I gave it a three out of five really even go for the three point five. Nah, in the end after I wrote it, I was like, it is really and even the other people in the office who had played it to completion said it was more of a that was what felt right to them. So but I guess I'm metacritic technically I gave the low score. So the fucking medical is used to like when I would do my one up reviews and when they change to the grade system, you know, their score is just skewed low and like. So the garnet garnet gave prototype of B minus and I guess metacritic is rating that as like a 60. Right. Yeah. I mean, just like I give it. What school did you go to where B minus is 60% I don't know if that's good or bad. That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, I gave it like a I gave it like a three stars and that probably rates like a 60. I'd bet so which ostensibly makes a little more sense because it's three out of five like that fraction. But you should be really dead honestly, if you're going to read a games by review, you should look at what our reviews mean. We have a page dedicated. If you're a reader of you, you should be reading the text to figure out what the person thought of it. Right. But I'm just saying if you're going to go off the score, like we I do very closely examine like the what our reviews mean on the scale. Yeah. I remember you sort of going back and forth about it for a few hours before you gave prototype a score. Right. So I mean, I don't know, I'm going to let Tyler borrow my copy of prototype because he hasn't gotten this through. I'm just glad we've done a fit so I can move on to finishing infamous and playing red faction. Hopefully. So, man, unfortunately, red flat faction is looking more and more to me like dead space, the game that I really want to play, but we'll probably never play. You haven't played good space yet? Never played. I'm going to go over your house. I'm going to take all your games. It's like red faction. There's a lot. I'm going to take the we're going to take the PC back until you find good space. I mean, there's all these fucking great games I have right now and I'm just like looking at it like a dead space is kind of, I mean, I guess dead space is kind of long. It's like 14 or 15 hours. That's probably shorter than that. You could poop sock it in a couple of days if you really were determined assuming you aren't working at American apparel sometime soon. Yeah. Did you honestly play for an American apparel job? Yes. I'm not, I'm not frowning at all at that time or you do what you need to do. Man, I love, I'm wearing two other shirts. I love their clothes. Think of all the money you'll save on Coke working at American apparel. Oh, no, I won't have, there's no saving or spend, spend in there. All, I mean, hey, here's, here's one thing. Someone asked me, someone asked last time if I can give some advice and love advice. And here's what I'd like to talk about right now. I want to talk with the guys in the room. So if there's any female listeners right now, yeah, yeah, and this is for the guys. It's happening right now. Do it. This is for the guys. For real, I guess. Okay, guys, when you take down your pants at night, if there's bagginess in the back of your underwear, you need to get rid of that men. We should not be having baggy underwear. There should be tight form fitting or if you're having boxers, they should fit pretty tight too. You shouldn't look, shouldn't look like you're wearing fucking mushrooms around your pants. I guess I have a little bit of bagginess in my boxers. Yeah. It's not a good thing. Why is that? It's not attractive. Like frumpy bodies can look good and form fitting undies. That's what I'm saying. American apparel has great underwear. Wait, what's ever underwear to use? Do you wear boxing? Please don't say American apparel is the place where people should buy clothes to make their bodies look better. I'm not saying to make their bodies, what I'm saying is, if you want to find fitting underwear. If I go, I buy a small pair of hanes. I actually feel like it's easier now than ever to find relatively well-fitting underpants. So I just want to get back to you, what's up with underwear do you wear? Breece or Boxer Breece? I wear, yeah, boxers. You wear boxers. You wear the tighties? Yeah, but I'm not- Are they tighty whiteies or are they like tighty blueies or blackies? Oh no, I get colors. American Pearl has great colors. We call them, I have them too. We call them mentees. What I'm wearing them. Mentees? Oh yes. As in man, man, panty. It's because they're like, I mean, I guess I could kind of, it shouldn't even say this. I can kind of picture Tyler in a dignified manner wearing underpants. It is hard. I can't. I have never seen you in a way, nor do I ever expect you, where you're wearing briefs that are dignified. Oh, when I'm just walking around- You're like a fucking four year old who wants a cereal. That's all I'm saying guys. I'm not saying I look any better. I have the exact same problem if I'm wearing briefs. It's not judging. It's just saying, I mean, shit, you can get decent fitting boxer briefs at Target now. Like that's the thing. So far, I've been going with Tyler's advice on things. Like I'm wearing the fucking smell. Today, someone else was like, what is that? And I noticed that we didn't completely share. We gave details, but we didn't. Fuck, man, pay it forward. No, not be the last one. Nope, because Tyler could let me in on this like it was a little trade secret so I can't pass it on here. I haven't told me. He was like, don't tell a lot of people about this. Because otherwise, they'll always do it and I got to stand out. So maybe once I have a long term girlfriend like Tyler does, then it's okay to pass it on. That's totally when it is because like I had several girlfriends where I would use this little smell and say like they're a bunch of like they talk me like, I smelled that smell the other day. I'm like, yeah. All of a sudden, I miss talking about prototype. Sorry. It's okay. I'm kidding. So I guess I don't miss talking about prototype. Since we've already been going for almost 45 minutes, I'll talk about the game I've been playing, which is overworked, right? And I looked up for you so I know what all I can pretty much say, which is pretty much most everything I've played. I mean, you mean the sequel to Overlord 2? Yeah. And the most important question for people who played the first one, is there a mini-map? Ooh, good call. You already know the answer to that? Yes, there's a mini-map. Well, yeah. But they don't know. I didn't know. Which to some extent I use, but to most of the time, I still play that game very much so just utilizing landmarks. I mean, that's how I played the first one too. I didn't have a problem with getting really lost. Yeah, but Mark McDonald wanted to know. Yeah. I come to think of it, you know, I would have liked one, but for the most part, the landmarks are good enough to get around. Yeah. That would be my problem with Overlord. Yeah, I really don't know much about this sequel. Like, I've seen some screenshots, seen Snow. It's more of the same, yeah, in the sense that you're still doing Overlord things. I said, now you're going through like a Snow environment and a jungle environment and the jungle environment's really badass and it has music that reminds me of Donkey Kong Country. If you ever played those games with their very particular music. Yeah, yep. Play those rare games. Are there new minions? No, it's the same type, but they've done a lot of little subtle improvements, like giving minions the ability to get mounts and so mounted minions act differently, like mounted minions can break like phalanx, phalanx formations of enemies if they're like set up in a way that normal infantry can't attack them, like mounted guys can break them first and then you send them to your other guys? It's like normal tactics of war. Yeah, or like when you get the guys with Spider-Mounce, Spider-Mounce can climb up Spider-Web's, so there'll be certain walls that you have to guide them up to get to certain places. Just changes the way that you play even with, it almost adds like when you have them, it's almost like a minion type. It's like another minion type, yeah. Oh, okay. Because you play with them separate and you can, and you can separate some mounted. It's the Metroid-ish. You can separate the mounted from the non-mounted and they still put it in. And they still put it in the same as a Rand costume. So, and the minions of course still have ridiculous costumes and unlike the first one, by the end of the first game I had like a eight or nine like really awesome brown minions that would always roll with me and they were like in full gold armor and then when one of them died it always sucked because that was it, you didn't get them back and now you got it. Back to pumpkins on the nodes. Now you can go to like your own little river sticks and you can resurrect them from the dead for a price and always have your best and they have names too. Oh, there you go. There you go. So I run around with like 10 that are like my best and-- Put some emotional attachment to those minions. Yeah, Pretorian minions. I do. They're like my number one and they're game levels too so like I have like this group of like level six brown minions who are like my go-to guys from when shit gets bad. I always make sure I bring them back no matter how bad it gets. Oh, yeah. That's the elite squad. Mm-hmm. And I lost my train of thought for a second there. Giant panda bears. Yeah, I mean, they're still ridiculous enemies and the writing's really funny and they're still and they've made like your tower way cooler and you can like actually like it's it's on a way bigger scale than the old tower was in the first game. Like you kind of felt like you were in castle but this time-- It's only a tower so much as a mountain it seems like. It's like a tower island. Well, it's more like a big mountain type tower that floats in like another world. It's a totally-- It's your cocoon. And I don't know it's a it's a fan. I thought the first one was great and I can already tell that I think the second one is on the same path to being just as awesome especially because you totally now you get early on in the game you get a boat and it's like Spartacus where you have all your minions down their row in the fucking boat and there's another minion on the drum ordering and so you're controlling the boat. It's not like a cutscene or anything like that and you can beat the minion that's on the drum so that he makes everyone go faster for short periods of time and then you'll have certain minions that aren't on the row ors and those are the ones that man the boat for when it gets attacked. So you're steering the boat telling it to go and you're still like sweeping the minions around the boat defending it as well and if worse comes to worst you can always call the minions off the ors to have them defend the boat. That sounds really complicated. As well it's not as bad as you think I mean you don't really get attacked that much the only times that you really have to worry about is when you're boarding another boat because you'll pull up alongside them and then you'll pull all your minions out and board and take them over. You're a minion pirate talk. No they don't do any of that. The coolest things minions have ever done is when they were in children's uniforms that they beat children up for and they were all and they were all wearing parkas and they started singing Christmas Carol's minion style. Code masters there better be a point where the minions hum the Gremlins song. I don't think they want to get sued because the likeness is already there a lot. Yeah. They need to do it. I mean even the Christmas part and the early part feels a lot like Gremlins. They'll make me do a fucking Overlord II review with the Gremlins theme music. So I mean it's already happening. It's pretty great. It's all happening. It's pretty long and oh and the other new features you get to play as minions from time to time. You get to possess them. You get to possess them and that's a totally different style to play because you're still sweeping around the other minions but you have to utilize their unique abilities. So I thought about pre-ordering the game so I could get a minion doll from GameStop. You sound like a marketing copy right now, I'm just going to be honest. Why because I'm naming the bullet points in the back of the game. Exactly. That is exactly why. Well these are the things that are, I'm more pointing out because I do have the knowledge of the first one. True. I'm pointing out the things that are different from the first one. And you played the fuck out of the first one. I kind of want to pre-order it to get the little minion dolls but then I looked on the GameStop website and I noticed that they fucking have the minion dolls on there. They're painted the wrong colors. Like the one that's painted green is very clearly not a green minion, he's supposed to be a blue minion. I can tell because he has fins on his head. Oh sure. If you bought it, I would repaint it for you. And the greens are painted as browns on it. I will repaint them for you. The browns are painted as blue. I just couldn't believe it. I was like who in this manufacturing thing like it's not like you could just paint any minion any color like they are very, like when you find the greens, they're themed around a jungle. So these publishers are overworked. They kind of look like lizards. And then it's Codemasters still. I mean it's a Codemasters that's developing it or publishing? No Codemasters. I think it's like Triumph Studios that develops it or something. So that and dirt are like the two really good games that Codemasters actually publishes. We are in Oakland. We haven't had any Oakland now and beyond on the podcast for a while actually. Yeah. I mean that sounds like it's right at the liquor store up at our house. I actually saw a bunch of cop cars outside there a couple nights ago. I figure they make pretty good money in this neighborhood. So maybe we'll go and pick it up one of these days and get some money. How much longer? I mean that's a job, right? You said you don't like having a job that you go from nine to five. We'll fucking plot out a robbery and that'll be a nice little job. Okay so you want you want to be heat basically is what you're saying. Yeah, we just need to acquire some assault rifles first and then I'll just start firing in the street even though there's no one around. No one chasing us. I'll just be like, get in the car, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, way to do it is just a station wagon and I'll take you to a vet. I'll wear a giant duffel bag on my back full laundry because there wasn't even that much money there. It just reflect. Um, have you guys seen inside man? Yeah. I mean he's great. Yeah, for sure. He has like the loudest gun noises ever like Arthur already watches movies pretty loud a lot of times but when Arthur takes advantages around sense. You know Arthur has a harder time hearing things though I think than me sometimes. I think it's just all the ambient noise like we've it's been talked about elsewhere that the audio for movies isn't mixed for living rooms. Yeah, well either way Arthur listens to his music. I mean to movies louder than I'm just used to I think because I've always had roommates that I was worried about and not that it like it's on me but like me is like the one movie that when Arthur puts that on it's like Jesus there's a gun battle going on. Pretty much any Michael Mann movie actually the gun battles are always super loud like the gun battles in Miami Vice are really loud too. Um, so what else has anyone been playing? Uh, I think I think that's it. I need to get in some red faction multiplayer which I'm going to do tomorrow. All you got Tyler you've been playing this coming here is uh but that's not all. My latest fucking addiction last night after I finished my Tiger Woods review was fucking UFC '09. That game is so yeah Jung good Jung good Jung good Jung is right. First thing I did in that game is turn the music volume all the way down. I mean do you just listen to custom soundtracks? I don't have any custom soundtracks going on. I'm just like fuck it. You're the PC now. You can totally do that shit. Well I mean I let's all okay it's on my three I'm playing on 360 so you can custom soundtracks on every 360 game you just gotta put so much. I don't know. I fucking play Tiger Woods listen to the kill switch engage in the background. Which doesn't make any sense to me. Golf is one of those games where I actually I'm like. Because it's fucking epic going into the 17th hole with a cover of Holy Diver in the background. That's why. That is pretty fucking epic. Um, so tell us about UFC a little bit. Oh my god. It is so fun. I you know one. Oh my god. A million people couldn't be wrong Tyler. Yeah honestly I love the sport. I love MMA. I've been following it for a long like since the first UFC's. We've been watching them since the first ones and um and I'm you know I'm a huge fan. I played pride fighting. I played UFC on Dreamcast and PS2 I believe and uh and I enjoy this one equally. To me the coolest thing about it is it's just playing through the creative fighter mode. Which is like takes you through a career and it's so fucking rad because it's it's basically like Tiger Woods where you start off as a scrub and you're building your stats. But it's a lot more generous than like Tiger Woods and you it's much easier to win. Although Tyler is not able to recreate himself accurately because they do not have people of Tyler's weight. Nope. And mixed martial arts. Yeah this isn't like boxing in Mexico. Well even in even in mixed martial arts isn't there like a feather light like or something like that. I mean I mean you're not that much smaller than the hoist hoist Gracie was I guess. Nah he weighs a lot less though. Like hoist Gracie was small but hoist Gracie had more muscle mass. Well yeah the the lowest weight class they have for lightweight is 155. You can be as short as 5'4. So I got myself as 5'7" and 155 which if it were really correct it'd be like 125. Oh man. That's alright Tyler I've got all that. Nice. Yeah I'm sharing it. The great thing about the career mode is that like you know you're setting up all your fights and then you know before your fight you have your however many weeks you have to like train and get ready for the for the match. So you can do this a couple of different ways. Like you can actually spar with a partner where you actually just do like one round and how well you do will determine how many points you get to spend or you can just opt to level up your attributes which is speed, cardio and power which you know there's no gameplay with that you just select you know up it but all of those things drop your rest count which is like how much stamina you have. So when you start the match if you're at 50% you're you have 50% stamina and you're much more in danger of getting knocked out. So there's just like a great balance of wanting to train a whole bunch before the next fight to get your stats up. Right but not overdoing it. Yeah yeah. I definitely want to try some multiplayer but unfortunately we only have one copy. Yeah I know and I was hitting a THQ for a copy this for so long. I know THQ should go ahead and send us another copy because they already sold a million. I mean I could try emailing that dude a THQ and seeing if we can get a copy. But then but but but also they have this other mode like classic fights mode where they recreate a lot of really popular and like famous fights from like the last like 10 or 20 UFC's they call it classic fights but it's actually from the more newer ones like the last three years. Yeah yeah no no it it goes like I think like like seven or ten UFC's back maybe even more. But like I want to see like some fucking Maury Smith fights. You want to see like UFC 2 where the fights last like 15 seconds. So how many characters do you have to create your own character or can you play as pre-made ones like are you know real people. Now you know from my I only I only started playing last night and I did stay until up to like four in the morning playing but I was playing strictly career modes so I don't know if you can take the pre-made fighters into career mode and I don't think you can. I wouldn't assume not I mean but you can play exhibition and you can play multiplayer with them okay and and there are all the fighters in the classic fight mode and what's cool about the classic fight mode is I thought like okay it's just pairing them it's just pairing up two fighters who fought but no like the point of the mode is that the fighters went three rounds and it ended in a knockout like you're supposed to go three rounds and ended a knockout. You know it's like fucking red I don't know like to me I geek out about that shit because I like the sport so much and in sports games in general I've always been this sort of realm I've wanted to break into because you know I don't know I like sports how's the damage modeling that you know it's pretty decent the other there's like a few stock cuts you'll see like the same cuts don't get cut that often I mean I just really you see like when they do it's like it might be the end of the fight again like I'm just remembering the first few UFC's where they were just outrageously gory injuries right I'm just saying nowadays it's not like that at all nowadays it's like someone gets cut sick we might have to end it there's no savate guy kicking a fucking sumo dude as hard in the face as he could and knocking out a bunch of teeth yeah the sumo bone crusher guy do you remember that fight yeah that was like one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen those are classic fights I want to see Fred Eddish man I've talked about this for Fred Eddish the field fighter or like the boxing guy that gets knocked out in one hit nowadays when most people get knocked out I mean it's that's what I'm saying they wouldn't have to do that much damage modeling because most of the modeling they'd have to do would be post fight stuff like a lot of times during the fights unless it's one that goes on really yeah there's submission you don't see the face swelling quite much if someone has you like in a good armbar then you're not going to wait till they break your arm the wrong way you're just going to say okay I'm done yeah yeah yeah but as far as like the modeling you see I mean it's fine like my guide tends to fucking bleed like a stuck pig but you know I don't know what that's about um you're like Ben Stiller yeah but but the other cool thing is it's like at first when they when they announced 80 fighters I was really wary that they would all be like the same generic fighter but really they have like two tiers that every fighter has like their speciality which is the striking tier and the like the grappling tier and it's like striking could be boxing moi tai or kickboxing and then their grappling tiers could be Brazilian Jiu Jitsu wrestling and judo and then between those and between character attributes and weight and all these other things I mean you just have a giant range of like characters you can play you know fighters that that you want in there that aren't in there you could told there's this system is flexible enough to make almost any fighter I mean with the exception of some really crazy fighters like Saku Raba you know you're not gonna get a fucking cartwheel punch move in there no matter what you do but yeah it's like it's the game I've been sitting here and all day I haven't played it all day and I'm just like man I want to play you see more alright I guess that'll that'll wrap up or what we've been playing segment yeah maybe next week I'll talk about Ghostbusters I've been playing ghost no I'm thinking about getting it at least now I know which one to get are there's debating whether or not whether or not I heard let's let's let's let the get the minor Ghostbusters scandal what that the PS3 versions like down rest or whatever it's like at three quarters of the resolution of the 360 version and the frame rate is way worse I've only seen one screenshot so I'm not like speaking from fucking crazy no this is the dude from Euro gamer that's been doing like HDMI comparisons throughout the last year and a half oh it's like a really bad example yeah well yeah I guess it just comes down to whether or not you think it's worth sixty dollars or is it worth waiting for or if you live in Europe whether or not you're willing to import the the American version of the 360 game I always speak more specifically about you oh yeah as to whether or not I get Ghostbusters yeah I mean I don't know that's that's the hard thing I mean sixty dollars is a lot of money to me still I mean something like I know I mean it's I don't buy games lightly so just kind of especially right now where there's like a bunch of games out and coming out it's like this Ghostbusters gonna be one of those are my gonna wait it's got a couple of loads does yeah I see but that would require buying a hundred and twenty dollars with the Ghostbusters just busting make you feel good I don't know what is that even from right right from the theme song busting make you feel good I didn't know why cuz that was like the tagline on the games by review as well as does bust to make now I feel like an asshole I was like what does that even mean it's okay I'm sure that we're all making jokes about what asshole and the Internet's gonna be the first person that puts up a prototype review and says like this is a prototype for a good game or something like that somehow uses like the word prototype in there so you know what I mean like trust me we make fun of shit like that all I think it'd be the the more subtle use would be like prototype seems like a good test run for a future concept either way even that's still like cuz then you get to synonyms for prototype in the same lead anyways we're gonna take a break myself and we're gonna come back and talk about leaks as opposed to leads and then after that the leaks in the from the letters why do you like poop leaking out of why does everyone think that that's a funny joke what like the the exchanging pee for poop type of leak I don't know what you're talking about I was referencing the fact that we also said that I was gonna talk about the demo pooped in my oh no that's third segment but I don't even know what you're talking about I'll tell you in a minute all right we'll give it a I feel like I missed something important that was one of the theme songs I need to push on to you that sent me yeah it just says like he just keeps saying like podcast it's a strong bad version of our theme song yeah and it's just like random electric guitars and stuff it's good I mean it's totally not like the one that sounds like fucking Moby and DJ shadow got together to do something that involved fat penis a lot of these ones aren't necessarily ones that we would use but they're good in their own yeah we should play like all I think yeah well I think we'll have a middle segment the episode where we make our decision where we talk about the one that we pick and we'll play them maybe we and maybe we can comment on all the other ones to like play them and listen with the listeners yeah I mean me and Tyler definitely did our own little listening party during e3 when I was in the hotel room that's when we heard podcast into the world we just kept on saying that all the time like into the world like where does that come from in our podcast well when all of the e3 stuff gets leaked weeks before you have to have something to talk about yeah that's true why did my cat just be a dick and you're stuck with your hat and then she walked away she just knocked my hat on my segway it was such a good one i know it was a good one no it was terrible e3 leaks segway but i'm not just e3 leaks but just leaks in general those are our don't work or fun yeah i mean for me it was my first e3 and in a lot of ways i honestly uh i honestly did feel like they they stole the magic of it for me it was like seeing the girl that you lose your virginity with having sex with someone else first or even uh you know it's just like the first time it doesn't involve sex the first no the first time you're gonna have sex and you're like this can be the greatest thing ever and then you do it maybe and you're like yeah it was pretty good but i mean you realize that you know yourself a lot better or when you accidentally premature into the condom first uh no that actually didn't that actually never happened but i'm not gonna have front like like i was a fucking machine the first time either so um this just went to a really weird place and i apologize i'm sorry listeners i definitely had some serious leak problems i'm sorry listeners this is my fault uh dino says uh while there is always that anticipation of something new and rumored announcements i would much rather that leaks not happen he spelled leaks like the vegetable yay that's okay uh when i watched the e3 press conferences i wanted to be a move like a movie with no spoilers it's true it is more exciting the first time you see things like back in the day before i was part of the enthusiast press or even before i was like wanting to be a part of it like when i used to just occasionally like come home and find out e3 news and remember e3 in 2006 and find out like three six so i announced a new console i was like really awesome yeah like it would be like weeks after e3 in 2006 where all there are all these fucking amazing trailers for all this shit that came out and like if you turned on your xbox it'd be like here's our trailers and the lost planet demo exactly like it just felt like uh i actually went to these things and i wasn't like a yep game i already knew was coming out because people already did events for long before e3 or anything like that i mean again natal is sort of one of the few things that natal is one thing i knew was coming but the thing about natal is it's still nice to see like i think it was again like we talked about last week i just think that people were talking about natal because everyone expected it to suck and the fact that it didn't is a surprise i did not hate that i just said the fact that that is a grammar pet peeve i knew that it wasn't going to suck only because i had read the things about the technology before and how critically you will like to it was like when it was uh it's yes i mean because i've been to the past 43s and well wadidah and compared to the last ones even with all the leaks there were still some big surprises this year i mean especially with sony like what did you think were was a surprise i don't fantasy 14 it was an easy one that comes to mind um a lot of stuff like uh left for dead two being announced i mean that got leaked that that would have been a surprise had had it not been pulled like everything it e3 would have been a surprise if it hadn't gotten leaked though yeah i already know i never met and then i'm gonna say are you were you about to say something you're not supposed to i would get some of the trouble yeah yeah that's one thing i already know some shit about games that aren't even going to come out for another year like how they end like how ridiculous is that yeah um yeah that's one thing i as much as i love mass effect the first time i saw mass effect like i saw that big spoiler with um oh god i can't think of the alien killed his race rex rex god i couldn't do that any shipper sure um yeah like they've played that scenario so that was like spoiled for me but at the same time it was like i was gonna wait 83 you saw the rex yeah that that's what they were demoing at the Santa Monica e3 and again at this one it was like a pretty bitch yeah like that was like one of the biggest coolest just that was the coolest decision you had i had no man i i guess i i lucked out that i that was never spoiled for me but i was surprised when it happened yeah because that's all i could think about afterwards i was telling jody uh you know i had the mat did they were giving away the copies of the mass effect novel and i was like are you starting to read it because it was so it's so exciting i read yeah i read the mass effect novel before i played the game yeah like in a day um so uh let's see to continue uh rocks desar god damn you people need to come up with names that don't have z's in them rocks desar is in rockstar but he's like adding fucking constant disorder yes like same business we love you because you was into the podcast and post on the site but god damn it uh as much as the leaks this year seemed to ruin part of the major press conferences mostly sony i'd take a i'd take a week god damn that word i'd take a week over a long drawn out pr and marketing plan any day i could have done for a week or two on something on modern warfare two then maybe it would have at least gotten me excited i actually thought that the sony one wasn't ruined necessarily by leaks i mean i guess the psp go here that that was a revelation but friend of the podcast and resident sony prostitute nix sutner was angry i recall that uh that all the stuff for the last guardian was leaked so early yeah because he in his opinion that would have been contender for game of the show if people hadn't known it was coming right i think that's a good point too because like i'm a huge fan of eco and although the trailer they showed was uh it was rendered differently it wasn't the exact same but i mean the the the premise like the conceit of it was the same which is fucking luck dragon and child yeah well i got leaked by european sites uh yeah i know i mean that i mean that was just another case where it's like i'm such a fan of the series i didn't want to not watch the leaked trailer you know i had to do it and basically if you don't want leaks it sounds like just don't tell european press anything uh revost a lot says it's almost as if you're treating a week like a movie spoiler press conferences shouldn't be treated like a Broadway musical or martin score sacy film is something like some be creative and play it off they should be treated that way though that's what's the whole point of having e3 and everything it's like well technically the point of e3 is for retailers to get together and decide what they're gonna buy kind of but a lot of it is still like uh it's console war they've gone back no they've gone back to the spectacle of it all not even for console war just for each thing to get you excited because you're a person that plays games well i think that getting people excited is more about for at least for sony i think that they are still trying to make the case for people to buy the system right well that's because they're not retarded and i want you to look right at me when you said that okay well they are not mentally challenged or disabled they know that they still need to move hardware so i mean of course they're still good i mean when leaks happen it ruins the the sort of momentum of their press conference and that does play a big part in the way that people view the platform yeah but i kind of feel like the press conference isn't for people that don't know the console exists or haven't thought about buying it anyways it's already for people that are about the the thing i don't think the i don't think the press conferences that they're trying i think there are a lot of ps3 fans that are still yeah but i'm just saying i don't think the consoles the those big old press conferences are sitting there and move hardware as much as like almost just show like why the the the console is going to have a good year that year for people that do have it i think they're also hoping to affect press coverage as well right of course i mean that's man of course that's why that's part of the reason why you need the the things that are actually surprising that get excitement that are part of the spectacle of it all exactly that is the reason i thought yeah i mean both sony and micro stuff had a really cool presentation like the nintendo one was like the weakest of them all as far as like visually appealing that was the nintendo one took place in like a tiny little theater and it was like i don't know it was obviously not the spectacle even like the three sixty one had like a really cool stage well i mean the three sixty one managed to have at least one surprise which was that the beetles the remaining beetles were actually there even if it was the most anti-climactic fucking stage reveal ever uh that wasn't even a surprise though i knew about that before that happened too but how soon before like a couple days before really yeah i mean it didn't even seem like they knew for sure whether or not it was going to happen because they rescheduled the press conference like nah i heard that the that the beetles would be making an appearance so the surprise for me was felicia day actually didn't know she i knew i figured she was going to go to e3 but i didn't think she was going to be a part of any press conference like i'm like she's felicia day she does like the guild and she's done some buffing parts but why would she be a part like of a present of an actual press conference when i mean i mean micro saw the marketplace carries the guild i know it was just surprise still to see her especially because she wasn't there to present anything to do video stuff she was there to present stuff about social networking yeah which for me the social networking stuff i had no idea that they were bringing yeah that was facebook i i assumed that i mean it's cool but it's like it was surprising i don't know that i i care that much it's definitely not on par with like bringing netflix or anything and and you know what i thought was weird about that you know what we're talking about right now twitter and facebook being not that interesting but when i went to microsoft booth later and took their xbox tour of like the things they're bringing to the dashboard i thought there was some pretty significant stuff in there like xbox 360 games that are being put up for full download on the 360 like which is not a surprise i mean we've been yeah but it's great to have i mean and also like anything on the marketplace is going to be reviewable with like a star system like these were all like new things for me at least i was pretty great yeah i guess it's just like diminution of things that they had to make a decision of whether or not they were going to have another famous person come out on stage for 10 seconds or if they were going to tell us about a new detail or something well i mean you got to figure that having jon and ringo or not john right now man having john on stage would have been something yeah but having paul and ringo on stage gets them coverage on cnn or mbc yeah but they even said they could have said that but yeah they didn't need to bring us even spielberg in my opinion and they didn't right and they did having steven spielberg drop and they didn't need to bring yoko on either like there's like some things it was just like at some point it was just like it was just like and guess what this person's backstage too uh well she is the keeper of john leon's legacy i mean nothing happens with john with anything john leon and related without her say so right but she doesn't own the beetles music that's that's my jackson i think the apple bought back a lot of the rights to but either way i'm just thinking she doesn't own it either way it's somebody else that owns it these days well didn't michael jack did michael jackson own all the rights all the publishing rights yeah as far as i knew he owned beetles catalog for a long time i mean i know that he owned part of it i just yeah i don't think he owned the whole catalog yeah because the idea that john covet and that john leon wouldn't have owned any of like the rights of the beetles catalog yeah and therefore yoko and julienne would have imagined it's pretty insignificant compared though to me i played in this like hard rock band he used to not the band that we've played on here for like five like about four years back home and um our drummer had this steady girlfriend the whole time and she was always cool i got along with her but the other guys in a band hated her and they would always call her yoko like all the time they were so mean to her girlfriends that get involved with the band in any sort of way can be a bad idea yeah she was always at practice but i liked it hey her going to practice is one thing that's when she starts giving suggestions about things oh no no it never went into that never then that's like they just got annoyed by her called her yoko maybe because the drummer wasn't fucking as many bitches as his quota yeah um yeah it's a tired to make up for it yeah they would always try to get me two minutes and then that's when they would do the swinger's quotes it's yeah boys all grown up no fuck that's the second podcast i've heard this week to bring up swingers really yeah weird just watching it uh friend of the oh really i can't get through that movie because i started in Vince Vaughn as such an annoying fucking character but i just turned it off like there's just so much washa going on at the beginning of that movie that it's painful it is it really is to me the most painful part is when uh the main character is calling that girl's answering machine that he just met at the bar over and over and over and it's just like you don't think he's gonna keep picking up the phone but he keeps does and it's just like oh god pain uh friend of the podcast mitch dire says it's hard for me to look at leaks is anything other than more news we're in a time where blog support on fucking vans with super marios plumbing on the side we're gonna update every 10 20 30 minutes on new things is something like the psp go trickles out it's hard to discern if it was supposed to be news now or news later leaks get caught up in the flow of everything else it sucks for marketing people but for blog stockers it's hard to notice is anything else but something to consume is then the people that read them or isn't the people that write them because the people that write them are kind of stalkers they fucking it's their job just to know the minutiae of stupid bullshit going i suppose i mean i don't know that i'd categorize everyone that way but yeah i guess i must the blogs out there i mean did we really need to know like like it's just like if you go to like a an aggregator an artist that's feeding you look at like joystick or kataka or these things and you just look at the stuff they put it's like just like everything from stories that are actually news to like the minutiae of things that are just like man who cares but apparently people do but that stuff it is but people do care because people who go to these sites they're looking for anything in gaming culture they can get you know i mean they they might not live in situations you know like here in san francisco and in oakland like there's a lot of nerd culture like i always see people on the bus here like reading comics and shit but i know i like in houston texas man like i you know aside from my friends that i would game with i kind of felt you know like i mean not like a loner but just definitely not in a big group like you know you see a group of guys always playing basketball outside or something hanging out like that like if there's always a place for these cultures to get together and you know and i feel like you know these little like sometimes silly little news feeds are just a part of it i mean you know yeah i guess i just feel like sometimes people give when so much credence to like stupid stories sometimes to you what would you care to give an example or i don't know where people care so much about a story of like just a picture of a of a person like or like a i don't know i guess i could go on these sites and probably find something i mean we do it too at games by sometimes we we're out of stories that are just like about like today i wrote one that was a press release about how oblivion and and uh bio shocker being bundled together which is fine but i mean it's like it's like i don't know that's not really news to me at all like what that's that's just uh it's news to someone who's who's played neither of those games i mean but the person that's reading games by i'd be surprised that there's a person that's played neither of those games yeah that's true but i mean i think in a way it's that's where they are putting up on a blog if for no other reason than to say what i guess that's such a confusing combination they're both published by 2k that's the only reason so that is the reason that they're being bundled together i think it's because 2k has financials to me and that's not why they're being bundled for the ps3 only for the 360 and pc because 2k did not do the i mean Bethesda did not do co-publishing with 2k for the ps3 version did they just do it themselves i don't know but i know it wasn't about 2k because i emailed the pr and asked why there wasn't a ps3 one did someone else publish fall three or was that just Bethesda i'm trying to remember i think it might have been so Bethesda's moved much more into publishing i think lately uh yes they that considering that was the only reason that we all flew to London as sure as shit wasn't to get excited about wet or fucking rogue warrior i guys gonna kill you and sleep move on to the next comment all right there um well something that i wanted to ask the two of you is uh i i mean we've all known information that pertain to things that we're going to happen that we couldn't talk about right i mean i'm not i mean i know Anthony has and i know i have and then i i'm assuming you have as well yeah yeah i know things my uh my things um frame ask your question quit leaving i mean silence i i want to know what what you how you feel about leaks like it's hard to sit on those those stories sometimes i mean it's exciting to get to new things like you know i knew about egm revival things long before there was ever an announcement it's true fighter four comes to mind yeah street fighter four i mean i knew that egm had the reveal cover for that before anyone else and that was another thing i had to sit on i mean it's hard because you work with all these people and a lot of them you're on such friendly terms with it they'll inevitably share something with you and you'll share something with them and well i don't know people they gab i mean that we've worked in industry fucking people that gossip and gossip and gossip and gossip i mean these are people that are always looking for the first thing they can write on their fucking blog or news feed on their site so i mean of course they're just looking for inside things even if they're just having friendly conversations they're constantly you can tell if you're thinking about it that they're grooming each other for information all the time it's like a a fucking embassy dinner in the in the middle east where everyone is a spy and trying to pump everyone yeah when you go out to dinner with a bunch of people from the various publishers and stuff they're still at you know inevitably the conversation still revolves around games because while you're all people the fucking common ground that's driven you to be there that's easy to be social about not be awkward is video games so um just as an example i in in just to i mean i don't want to make disparaging comments about this but last the the e3 christmas special that we did we talked about bungee announcing halo reach and wondering why the fuck halo bungee is making more halo games because we thought that they wanted to get away with from it and we conveniently received an email from an industry person that that informed us as to why that is yeah it was like they're supposedly why i was well i didn't know if we actually wanted to say why that reason was uh i just i just think you know contracts or something there bungee is obligated to make more halo games and it's a reliable source of income right well i think after each their obligation is done so and there and there's also still the peter jackson halo game yeah but i'm saying i don't know that's necessarily gonna be a bungee thing but uh this person yeah we'll just leave it there and i yeah i mean i don't want to say any more obviously because this person has sent us other information in the past which we some of it we've talked about and some we haven't but uh jett set lemming says i want more weeks specifically i want something to like what what the fuck Warren specter is working on for disney how the hell was that gone so long without anybody leaking it publicly um right and i i think that right there is total evidence of why we want leak so badly it's just because a lot of the most top secret shit you know it's we games take so long to develop it's you know it's not like the production cycle i'm gonna be honest i've talked with this tartar before i would really prefer that i didn't even know a game existed until it was like four months out like that would be really cool to me i mean yeah i mean that has really cool stuff too like because i like when i first see a game that i'm like yes and then they tell like when i saw shadow complex for the first time the ex-bla game i was like that's awesome and then i was like when's that coming out they're like august and i was like fuck yes you know or like when i first saw the first episode of uh of the new monkey island game from telltale i was like when is this coming on there like july 7th and i was like a fucking month awesome yeah same with that old 1943 yeah i just i just i like having the short turnaround because i don't have to sit there and wait like seeing our early teaser trailer for uh you know uh beyond good and evil too that who knows torture who in that yeah who knows and that commands like that was awesome which i mean not anytime soon not for at least another year yeah if not two so it's like you know i mean i don't i don't mind the lack of leaks you know i actually yeah i mean i i i could totally go without leaks if that means that it would stop fucking teaser teaser bullshit like that i don't think no leaks would stop teaser bullshit no i'm not saying i'm just saying like if if there were some like ultimate goddess of the universe that could switch one for the other i would gladly trade leaks to just have no more teaser dumbass campaigns i can't i can't stand teasers um sorry yeah so i guess we can probably wrap that up right there um i mean but we didn't get to i mean you you talked about what like the idea of social networking in general and how that ties into leaks like do you think that that's affected it all right like how like with she she gets leaked on twitter all the time and now granted people should never be using twitter as like the definitive source they can reference it in a new story but it shouldn't be like because this was on twitter it's true you should be like that's like using Wikipedia as a source because this is on twitter it could be true who knows if this person's fucking rambling or not until you get official confirmation but i mean yeah shit shit i mean you saw it but does the didn't someone twitter something like when they shouldn't have and then by the time they found out i was like i guess it's yeah uh font new vegas was originally embargoed until the same time as everything else that we saw and someone leaked it basically as soon as he said it on twitter and so they changed the embargo right there yeah it was and it was european press that's one statement european press fucking cut them out but as i said the only reason it was european press is because the american journalist got to it a little bit later yeah that's also things like twitter where people can literally post to the internet from their goddamn cell phone yeah and i mean it just makes it like you know i mean all too easy for constant updates so all it's sorry it's just like the blog mentality and even quicker turnaround right i mean just the fact that people are just like get it up get it up get it up we got to be first we got to be first i don't care if it's on your twitter page we can still say we had a first right so i don't like it no sir don't like it no sir or don't like it so leeks are like tied to e-penises and with with blogging times yeah that is exactly what it's like i was the one who broke that shit on my twitter fuck well you know what i got a small date but i got a big twitter following i was wondering where you're going with that i think kind of non-sequitary i was like this would be another great instance where we could have like that goddess of the universe trade one for another i would give up three thousand twitter followers for an additional two inches oh man i would really you'd only give up three thousand i don't know and i'd probably listen to talk about this how many followers you want take as many followers as you want goddess of the universe i got my penis to tyler pooping in his pants it's such a sad and great day oh when will i love again oh oh if it's such a sad and great day oh oh when will i love again when will i love again dear arthur i was just wondering when was the last time you settled your pants and was a dude to illness drink perversion or just laziness cia goon jr from the united little kingdom that one just every time you laugh like that tower it's like the pot laugh it's like you're trying to hold it in and laughing at the same time i don't know why i do that and with the amount of my sneezes too with the amount of chili and mexican food that you've eaten over the last three days i am really shocked that you're willing to do that and fan it back toward yourself i'm mostly fanning it out uh i'm sorry to disappoint you goon but i have never actually crap my pants except we're gonna use an infant well yeah i don't know that that counts yeah to diapers count as pants um i almost crap my pants a couple months ago going running which was excre- it was the worst one i've ever had because for some reason i didn't usually i try to go before i go running just to avoid exactly that sort of situation because needing to piss when you go running sucks too um but for some reason man i just all of a sudden i was halfway through it and my bowels my bowels were an agony but let's move on from that because you didn't actually poop your pants and that's very funny no i was i i i i shit ten seconds after opening the door but but i besides me who who inevitably is uh sharded my pants and then he has the semi-annual show almost once a year yeah i mean i i i mean it's no secret that i that i i fart a lot i mean every human farts a lot i guess i just make it more public and um and you know there's been times that i've i mean man i treat my body pretty bad sometimes the food i eat even though it's vegetarian and uh there's been times that i've i've paid for it with the with the fart that turned into a shark but Tyler on the other hand said he had a good story when he actually did the full deed i mean i've done i've done the full deed too it's just been a while you know but i man i've had some i can distinctly remember a time when i was a little kid and i shit my pants good like i must have been like like probably nine or something like that it was like one in the morning i was sick i was expecting you to follow up nine with team and i shit my pants really bad and i just remember i didn't know what to do so i didn't i didn't know what to do because i was like what should i do with my underwear like you know if i threw him in the garbage can my mom would know so i just remember i walked out and threw him around the side of my house and i was like i'll take care of him tomorrow morning that's my fucking story for you oh you don't want to talk about the one where you shit shit your bad like two years ago i was how farting on my bed and i just pooed a little just a little it was a shark man it's like you know how it best buy on the on on black friday they try to only let certain people in and sometimes more sweep in with them that's what i'm saying these things happen great now tyler yeah mine i it wasn't like uh it wasn't like a wambam and you're over situation i went to school oh no and uh i was in third grade and i don't have apophobia which means like i can poo in public you know in public restaurants don't freak me out but i never went during school because they're always so gross and there were no doors or walls oh that's fucked up and like what the fuck we got a crazy third world fucking elementary school did you go to exactly yeah i mean i i just didn't i wouldn't cool with that at that age i mean now i mean what was it like a tropper buckets or something i wouldn't want to ship without doors do they dig a pit and back yep how the fuck were they're not doors i guess you very figured people would kick them off or something describe describe this bathroom layout to me child art okay yeah like see i mean you walk in and it's all for elementary school kids so everything's like super short right and to the left is it's just a wall of urinals and to the right it's just one after another and open exposed toilet like no walls no nothing like not even dividing walls between not even dividing walls in between them no one could no one could shit in that bathroom exactly no that's like how they do it in old marine barracks and stuff yeah yeah yeah i mean but still like who wants to just like a nine-year-old photo like the where there were definitely was it's it looks just a shit in front of people though yeah besides you know like the old west had walls on the outhouse or you like shit out out on stop because we still haven't gotten how tyler should have been oh man and and like usually if i if i really had to go during school it would hit me like after lunch and i would just hold it you know i could hold it for hours but this one it was like an hour into school and i knew it wasn't gonna happen i knew it wasn't happening and so it's like i had the more specifically you knew what was happening i knew it was happening i guess try and go during class right because there won't be that many kids in there right it was like i was thinking like well i could hold it all day or i could just go now and wait till i get home and so i did and i walked around all day at school oh you mean you meant i could just go now like in my pants yeah whoa man that's like going from zero to the speed of light yeah and you didn't even have to go that bad when you went no yeah i mean yeah it was bad like i knew it was bad i mean this was like beyond i mean this was like you know it was a it was a call man i had to drop bombs wait okay jorick no wait uh if you had to shit that bad an hour into school you didn't have to go before you left no that was the thing it weren't like running late that's ever happened to you i've been in my house all of a sudden just been like playing video games just like a punch in the stomach of you're going no i've never been like i man yeah man this is a really interesting article in the economy the stern face and just dropped him right there i did it and then and then so here's kind of the fucked up shit that would follow oh there it what do you mean the fucked up shit that would follow we are in fucked up shit because i have a short poo story as well um so i mean this is the logical conclusion of this podcast yeah i mean you know i don't know like it smelled really bad but i was you just play it off i was sitting next to the student and he was he was one of the students that was always like rambunctious he was always loud and kind of obnoxious and he had his shoes off and like the teacher kept being like what's that smell what's that smell so i was blaming on the kid what's that smell and then uh it's uh and and it was like so weird like sitting in a chair with poop in your pants and like spreading it around and so i finally and here's the worst part like when we were getting picked up from school my parents were carpooling so it wasn't my parents that were picking us up it was someone else's parents and i get in and the first thing i hear is who's shit they're pants and i said uh one of the kids in my class did and the smell rubbed off on me all right my friend joe my friend joe said shit is pants in college in college he was going through a really big phase where he just didn't shower very often stuff he's kind of just a mess and uh i throw this in because he just really let himself go he was like kind of like in this crazy phase and he actually ended up having to get special shampoo for his fucking scalp that had gotten so bad anyways so long story short he was in class he was already kind of dirty he said he was so dirty that he didn't really notice that when he fart he kind of shit his pants and so he's sitting there waiting to give his like 15 minute presentation in front of a class like 200 people so he gets up there and he like puts his words building what's this in it's Irvine oh okay so different joe um he goes up there and puts the board up on the class and he starts doing this presentation and then he can hear people fucking whispering and he's and then he like moved in like that moment where like your pant swoops and all of a sudden you feel the poop on your leg or something and he was like and he just realized right then with his back turned all these people that they could see physically see that he had shit his pants like through shorts and now you know and now he had to give a presentation with shit in his pants i will never be able to speak in public again i am so embarrassed that i will never i will never be able to speak in public again because he'll be thinking about that incident i i will be embarrassed about that story for the rest of my life fuck that's traumatic yeah one time when my my friends were he started showering after that right we were like near my friend's house and he he could have gone home but he didn't want to and and and he did the business but it was like hard so he just like opened up the his pants like and it just rolled right out this same friend just if i remember we're swimming in a river and he just he just had the shit saying instead of in the river because it's only three feet deep and just shit right there in the river oh yeah i've definitely shouldn't have river and then when it flooded his top i remember he poked it on his way out you are dirty motherfuckers you both of you dude you don't understand well no why fucking does one less poo story before i go ahead i was just saying there's nowhere around and you're in a river it's like one last one last poo story before i read a letter was that uh i remember i took a poo when we're out shooting guns and then we shot it with a gun and it exploded one of my friends like grabbed his turd from the toilet and squished in his hand he came to us afterwards tell us about it that doesn't even make any sense okay like the worst thing i've ever done was i went this was on our way to packs a couple of years ago and i'm we stopped on the border to washington state and we were like in a subway or something and i i don't know why i think it's because we've been on the road for so long but i i shit and then i took a picture of it and sent it to anthony's phone i remember that all right so taric says that's so quaint hmm hi guys i love the show and i wish you great success uh let's get to his question he says do you think the recent abundance of downloadable content paid and free has changed the way some gamers think about sequels points out how people really got pissed off about life or dead too for many i think the addition of more story more weapons and and or more characters something that can and should be done through relatively inexpensive download packs they would say a full sequel should contain some site some kind of fundamental change to the game something like significant new gameplay mechanics or an overhaul the engine um so yeah so he's thinking do you think valve screwed its customers or do you think gamers should not get upset over not receiving something that wasn't explicitly promised um i think that our immediate impulse especially this console generation is to think anytime someone announces something when we don't expect it or make specific kinds of announcement that our our immediate impulse is to think they're fucking us big time i mean uh gave new old that run top did say that they're gonna continue yeah the first one but let's be fair this the lefforded two does have an engine overall yeah like not just graphics but but physics and AI but i mean my my thing is that valve has never released a game that wasn't extremely popular and extremely well polished and totally worth the money so for people to just assume right off the bat that the next game that valve is going to release which will be lefforded too because we're not gonna fucking see episode three this year your immediate impulse to assume that they're screwing you with another bit of excellence it's like every other fucking game they've released is major that more open in arms about this than they did about starcraft in which is my other example which is people seemed to me like people really started to get outrageous on a tear about starcrafts the announcement for starcraft two that it would actually be three games and at first i was pissed too until i realized that blizzard has never released a bad game i guess to that extent like is it i'm paying them a monthly fee for world of aircraft yeah like how dare they charge me for any expansions would be that logic or something i mean i still gladly pay for big expansions because i know what it means when blizzard makes an expansion i mean i understand like especially with the economy the way it is and the way that this generation has become about dlc that cost too much in games that are 60 again like they were when we were fucking 10 i i understand that the impulse is to to have your knee fly up and scream no but for a company like valve to fucking start a petition not to release content especially with a company that releases content generally so infrequently it it seems stupid to me i played it and it was fun like i played it and i was like i will buy this possibly for two platforms yeah so i i don't know i mean i i understand like the knee jerk but fuck man it's valve i guess people are just worried that they aren't gonna support the first game anymore no more new levels or anything like that like what they were saying would happen but i don't know that that's true i mean there might still be new levels with the original characters and they've talked about cross plot like cross game compatibility too i mean and we'll see either way i still think it'll probably be worth the price myself that's my gut um so buttered biscuit rode in i'm using that because that's what he signed with rather than his real name um he said when you throw in a new game do you change the settings to the hardest and grind through or do you set them to easier moderate it depends on the game i'm most of the time play on normal if a game has a normal feature that will be what i'll play on almost every time the first time yeah same for me um usually i'll play on i mean i guess it depends on shooters i'll usually like call duty games i'll always go to to harden even call duty a lot of times i'll still put it on normal for the first time through because i know that if it's like you know really good all end up playing it on the hard missions anyways if it's a sequel in a series that i feel like i'm good at and like i played the other games on harder difficulties than i'll usually yeah the last few times i've done that they'll kick me in the balls like god war was kicking the balls and killzone was kicking the balls killzone was a giant kick in the balls when i started on hard first um i was like nope whereas i felt like gears of war two on uh the harder but not hardest setting was was fine um we're in like halo always play on hard like ninja guide into i played on the harder difficulty available at the beginning screw that so so the next letter is from marty w and he says i recently got an ipod touch and i know you guys have talked about playing ipod apps before so i was wondering which ones are fun and worth the money because you please answer this on the show so i can get everyone's opinions unfortunately i'm also the only one who owns the knife um i have a good question you did you download marble blast yet i have not downloaded marble blast yet i need to do that or that code might not even work anymore oh was it i told you that it was that it expired how weird is that they give codes that expire they're promotional mmm it's so sad well where do we get it from um garage games oh we could hopefully get another one that was my bad i mean i i just was like meant to and then that totally brain farted my day um so i would let me just if i was going to tell you games to get since i'm the only one he's looking at his iphone right now with an iphone here i would get tell you to get uh ritolando peggle drop seven flight control but specifically if you were only going to spend like less than ten bucks you should get drop seven in flight control because i think drop seven's like a dollar ninety nine flight controls like three dollars and they're both excellent excellent games that utilize the touchscreen quite well um so this guy calls me nergal that's weird that is obviously an old gfw listener um that's a lot of people more and more it seems that at least to me less games are bad instead they're either extremely good or some shade of average a communication as communication of tools knowledge and technology improves so we become easier to create a mediocre game and more difficult to create something horrible now what matters more is either the idea behind the game solid art direction or a visionary producer etc um do you agree or disagree why i think that that that could also apply to movies if you take out exception like that of the fact that they're like a lot of great exceptional movies i just feel like ninety percent of movies that come out today are good which is a good thing or at least i would call them entertaining yeah entertaining it's because entertainment is more market driven and focus group than it's ever been it's it's aimed at very specific audiences and these people like make it their job to know exactly what you like on at least some level and and try to get things that conform to that not to i'm not trying to sound super jaded like i understand the concept i'm just saying that that focus testing is is a requirement for everything now and that maybe that's why people think that things are great because if you talk to like an older movie critic or people that are scholars on media a lot of them will say that the entertainment that we have now is generic and boring and i mean you hear a lot of people that have been in the gaming media for multiple decades complain about games now we're gonna go with our thursday answer on that i mean do you agree or disagree so i'm saying works for me um this one's a long letter all right starts off it says uh durable if i'm crew dick sucking blah blah blah i love that i get interviews now that like or letters now that specifically say i know that you guys don't like the dick sucking i love it that's become a term this is a long letter so i'm gonna try and read it fast but i think the whole thing is actually good this is someone responding to the god damn jesus christ stuff listen listen to your last podcast you read a letter from a christian from nijari who is upset about your use of the phrase jesus christ and god damn let me preface this by stating that i'm also christian and a born-again one at that i can appreciate his point of view but ultimately is painfully obvious to me that he lives in an interesting bubble where his religion and his own needs take precedence i think if he had different life experiences he would see things differently as would we i live in chicago now but was raised in denver and lived there for most of my life colorado you know as you know borders why yoming he puts in quotation marks now it's all fun and games when you are speaking from the far away as nijari and have no idea what it's like to live next to yoming my parents lived 30 miles from communist north korea and they said that living next to yoming and the impending green menace made their childhood seem like a tea party yes growing up in post-war korea was tea crumpets and fucking cucumber fingers sandwiches compared to yoming imagine being afraid to go into sleep knowing that there are leprechaun hit squads out there probing the border and sneaking into neighborhoods you wake up and find people you saw that we can dead with their throat slits throat slit and shamrocks all over the damn place you can never go out with being paranoid of giant boob buckles or pipes and mistrust anywhere anyone wearing a note or damer boston self-experifenalia do you know how many innocent people were strung up because of bad fashion choices this is what living with the green menace does to you and this was just the covert ops and syops activity by those damn leprechauns all color addons have a to serve a period on the duty of duty on the northern border we spend two years of sleepless nights watching the border playing the most deadly game of hide and go seek with the leprechaun light infantry who constantly probe the border to find a weakness oh you've never heard of this before i'll tell you why you don't think any of us wanted federal help the usr me to help us out of course we did but if we but we couldn't risk a full on preemptive strike by those green hoarding green gold hoarding bastards by bringing in reinforcements we'd be out on the planes trying to sweep the night with night vision but it was useless why night vision puts everything in a green light and leprechauns are green they blended right into our own fucking optics and thermal imaging useless as well because leprechauns are fucking magic they could cloak themselves we made the lines with the keeber elves but they really couldn't give us any helpful anti leprechaun tech and quite frankly eel fudge does fuck fuck all for sucking for a second chest wound i digress sorry happens when i talk about being on the line against the greenies what i'm trying to say is you learn to let petty things go like that when swarms of waist high bearded green mother fuckers have broken through your perimeter overrun your defensive positions you're low on ammo and you know you have to use your entrenching tools soon language goes right out the window people will scream and say what they say when their eyeballs are being plucked out by those damn finney and little bastards you should be secure enough in your own faith that what other people say doesn't bother you christianity isn't about being a kindergarten teacher to the world and putting those who offend your sensibilities and time out i've had to learn this the hard way you don't think i've cried out to god after seeing friend after friend going down to the green horde or even after i've been exhausted cake and leprechaun blood and awful thinking god that i was alive look more at their hearts not at their words have more compassionate heart like jesus except of course when it comes to mother fucking leprechauns mike word oh man that guy that was fucking good that's a little you know as light heartedly as we address the leprechaun issue i don't know we might you know we might we might need to be a little more sensitive in light of i didn't realize the front lines were so bad you know that i mean using entrenching tools not to mention the fact that i'd never actually considered the uh the realities of night vision or thermal imaging against leprechauns like you can apply all the high tech you can but i mean magic magic they're fucking magic i mean everyone knows that a full leprechaun touches his belt buckles too it's like the fucking communication to the starship enterprises he just reappears back where his pot of gold is it's like an instant beam back to gold so i don't know i mean there's nothing scarier than seeing a leprechaun stop in his tracks and bend over the waist towards his belt buckles because you know that he fucking is on to you and he's on his way out um it's like a silent scouting party mm-hmm so you can find me at twitter.com wait wait no because damn you i refuse to be fucking part of this uh we had it we had someone talk to or message me about merch which we've gotten some emails about as well yeah i mean i got one quote and it was it was pretty heinous why don't we break down the realities of what we would have to charge basically right now rebel money we have we don't have like like we've spent a lot like we've probably got like twelve thousand dollars in donations i know you know that we were gonna give numbers but okay i'm just saying well we gave those numbers a long time ago remember we we kind of do holds that um we definitely told them that what we started with we've probably spent like four or five on equipment to have all the nice stuff we have slashed you know along the way we've spent things like we me and arthur try and feed people when they come over for the podcast because for a lot of them it's coming out of their way we we try to take care of our guests yeah and you know and we built hyalur gaming pc so he could play pc games and have an opinion about that and you know just little things and not saying we're broke by any stretch the imagination is just that basically shirts would cost like if we wanted to get shirts made that were american apparel like high quality t-shirts you got to pay out the ass for that yeah and so to get like 600 made we looked in it was going to be like basically the original quote i got was like between three and four thousand dollars yeah for shitty shirts and yeah and that was not american apparel that was non-american that was not american so so like if that's the case it's going to be hard for us to do only because it would kind of leave us on the line a little bit as far as our financials and we are funding our trip to pack so we can all come and meet everyone and do things there um so i will say this um the realities of it of this situation basically make it so that if we were to do t-shirts and merch then we would have to do pre-orders that that's not just pre-orders but pre-payment yeah to justify it and we i mean we don't want people to think that we're trying to fuck them or steal their money like and we don't i mean understand that if we make merch we want it to be good yeah i mean now that's the thing is that's why one american apparel t-shirts because they are high quality but the thing is is that having them you know there's two things to that one is uh you know like arthur said we don't want a bunch of fucking shirts that didn't sell sitting in our house you know you know arthur don't need 600 shirts uh and more importantly like the other reality of it is that i don't think that you know we got to figure out a good way to do it because neither of us has the time to sit there and fulfill individual orders that come in i mean i i we could we could figure it out like i mean i've looked i've contacted other services that do t-shirts for bands and stuff like that asking if we could get an account made where they would handle all that side of it for a take still looking into things like that i i'm willing to to do like a limited run of shirts i was willing to a limited run and i would also be willing to do it if we sold them it would be like shirts all order ship every friday yeah so if you put in the order it won't ship until the coming friday and we just get together well and you would and you would need to anticipate that basically you would pay for the shirt the shirt would be made and then it would get sent on a specific date right i mean because the alternative is if you guys really just wanted merch and you didn't care about the quality we could do a cafe press and you could buy shirts right away but we don't want to do it they would be cafe press shirts and they're not that nice so i mean we're we're just trying to figure out a good way to do because the first quote i got was really expensive so tyler thinks we shop around we might be able to find something slightly more reasonable than you know and it all i mean it also means that t-shirts would probably be like 25 bucks i mean you know in a lesser case scenario we could do things like patches or or buttons and stickers like little things that we could basically just charge next to nothing for you know and just give away to fans it packs like t-shirts are really expensive but a lot of that smaller stuff is great so we'll figure out something i'd like to have something that i could wear a backpack and give it to people at packs i mean maybe i'll put a survey up on the site that asked people how they feel about different price points for merch and what they're willing to pay and stuff like that yeah i mean you know i i kind of like that they have bumper stickers and stuff like one that says geek box gives aids i was waiting for that i love him um or you know maybe one about leprechauns who knows we'll see um so on that note three minutes people are excited about hearing your your story about shooting your pants tyler so people are i twittered about it yay on that note uh you can find me at twitter.com/chef money i'm also a writer at game spy so you can find my work at game spy.com including a review i just did a prototype um i will also be on the upcoming episode of the co-op show along with tyler and arthur who will all be on the co-op show uh you guys will be on the prototype segment or the infamous segment i will be on both and i will be on the red faction segment and tyler would be on infamous i can't go a week without having that game's dick in my mouth so which i hate man that game i i hear a lot of good stuff for and uh volition i hope those guys nothing but success so tyler work in the internet find you uh dirty tea at twitter and i also did a review like the drink like the drink twitter.com/drity and uh i also did a review of tiger woods 10 for we at game spy just recently and then uh put that game's dick in my mouth and then arthur can be found at twitter.com/aegist i have reviews at pc world and i will be on co-op this week and then last but not least you should dig the podcast reviews on itunes reviews and itunes are always really nice and download and listen on listen to game club yeah that's yeah you should all give game club yeah and if they're not caught up we're playing hitman blood money in game club and just so you know this is such a common thing i'm just gonna throw this out right before i stop psychonauts was already done by game club during the one up FM days and co-tour is a bitch defined and has a lot of backwards compatibility so if you want to hear psychonauts go listen to the old one up podcast they do a great job with it and co-tour just isn't going to happen so so you know not know it's a piece of it. so that's how i am. so you you