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Rebel FM Game Club - Gun - Episode 2
We're on round two of our Game Club series on Gun, as we talk about stagecoach chases, train hijackings, old-west style street justice, and wonder about the inherent violence of the local Chinese laundry (and somehow leprechauns wander into the discussion as well). We're going into a two week break between this episode and the final episode of this series, so you shouldn't have any trouble finishing it up in time. However, you should also email me (or comment) with questions for the developers of Gun by next Monday, as I should be chatting with developers before the concluding episode about the game, their thoughts on it, and answers to the questions you send in! As always, thanks for listening, and mythical genitalia to you.
[MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] All right, so welcome to the second edition of Rebel FM's Game Club for a gun, the second of three, cuz the third one's the last one, it's a pretty short game, we already had to like extend the foreplay by telling people to do side missions and yeah, this game is actually a surprisingly short, like. Yeah, I mean, even yesterday when I set like eight chapters ahead, I was like, we were supposed to get like, like, that took what, like two and a half hours? I think you could run through the entire story in about four hours. Four or five, yeah, you know, that's, you know, that's kind of always the case with an open world games. Like, if you're doing the, if you're going through the main story, you can really rush through like, look at oblivion, you know, oblivion, you can go through and probably six hours. I felt like the main story went in and oblivion probably took me about 10 or 12 hours to. No, not at all. Maybe, maybe if like you were doing everything the slowest and lamest way possible. That would have been my way. What are you getting your head for? I'm just watching your cat roll around so my. Yeah, that's because when I sprayed all that spray, that's probably where it dropped on the floor. Yeah, so now she's just rubbing it. Anthony sprayed concentrating catnip at his cat. Yeah, apparently. And she is rolling around on the floor, like a hippie on acid. Your cat doesn't really care is the thing. My cat goes fucking insane for kind of up there. She goes, she found the toy where I sprayed it now. Now it's on. Might as well cue like fucking sex music. So, yeah, that's basically like the equivalent of soaking. Speaking of drugs, I did buy the 50 dollar peyote upgrade. Did you? What was that? Did you get it from the Indian trader? Yeah, I was at the, it extends your, the first time it extends your gun. Like what's it called, your quick draw. In your quick draw. I thought it was that. Yeah. I bought both of those. I bought the $25 one. I bought the $50 one because this time I did so many side missions. I just had money to burn. Like I didn't buy everything but I bought a ton of upgrades and everything. It's kind of hard to tell actually if they're helping because on the PC, it's really easy to go headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot. I do, especially with my rifle, like a headshot. Yeah, exactly. Even from a distance, even not even zoomed in. Like you can space it so that like that, that square reticle is up so that, you know, the bottom line is about where their draw line is. There's their face. That's the thing. You combine like the accuracy that the mouse gives, combine with the fact that it still has like an auto-follow basically, just like on PC, it's almost too easy at times. And like just the most forgiving like auto-tracking ever in a game. It's just more evidence that it was designed for consoles. And it needs it when you're like shooting horseback to horseback. Yeah, definitely. It's pretty hard. But there were definitely some missions where like 10 guys would be storming my position and I felt like I was doing some kind of crime against humanity for doing so many headshots after one another. It does seem like, I do get kind of this mental image in my head whenever I like run into a group of guys. I hit my quick draw and just, I'm going one headshot after another and every headshot refuels your quick draw. So, you know, I can just like mow through an entire tavern full of guys, all headshots, just by going, you know, target left, headshot, target left, headshot, target left, headshot. And it's like, I kind of pictured like, I'll picture it in my head as though it was some like crazy action scene in a movie. Like man, that guy's badass. It's John Woo, "Directs a Western." Yeah, exactly. 'Cause you fucking never run out of ammo and quick draw. It's basically like, for brief moments, you're like the guy from equilibrium where you're just like, go, go, go, go, go, go. Shh, holster. Or you're just about, you're Val Kilmer from Tombstone, who never runs out of bullets. It hits everything you should say. Lots of things too. In this game, you reload. And all of this is like, he just kind of like touches the gun and it reloads magically. I don't know. I mean, it takes a fairly long time to reload. He doesn't show him opening a chamber and putting bullets in or anything like that. He just kind of goes like this and then all of a sudden it just loads. Yeah, if anything, the reload is really the only obstacle in combat that I found. Yeah, just like, oh shit. I don't even use my shotgun because of the reload, basically, most of the time. No, I don't use the shotgun at all. Like, there's no reason to. I use the shotgun against Houdu. That would be a good one. I just quick-drew. Quick-draw it on him. Yeah, I kept quick-drawing on him and I would, like, quick-draw and headshot him, like, five times in a row. And then it would be, like, a cutscene. And then I'd run upstairs and then quick-draw him again. But we're getting ahead of ourselves. Yes, at the end of the conversation. Which is how short this game is. So, uh... So, uh... So, I remember in the second episode, done. Right, where we left off, you could... Let's get ice cream. You could either do a bunch of sheriff missions or immediately talk to Jenny and leave Doug. But I did all the sheriff missions first, myself. Like, uh... I only did one sheriff mission. They're pretty much all the same. It's just he leaves town. And you've got to take care of, like, five scenarios and then you have money. Oh, see, I didn't do that. I mean, the first thing you have to do after you defeat the Red Hand Gang is you have to clear the bridge. Right. Oh, but I'm... Okay, so, yeah, you clear the bridge. Sorry. So, yeah, you clear the bridge. Which was the first instance where I really felt uncomfortable in this game. Because you were slaughtering Indians? Yeah, by, like, the dozens. You know, but you make up for it no longer. But they're more brown cliches, than really, than Indians. Yeah, yeah. This movie, this movie is... It's a Western, or this movie. Look, that's what I said. Yeah. This game is a Western movie, like, brought into our medium. It's not, like, it's not meant to be a standalone venture into the... American West. Yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not serious social commentary or anything. And I mean, I'm not saying that there were incidences of, of native attacks on, on outposts and stuff like that. So that kind of itself is not incorrect. I'm just saying, and later on they do kind of bring it back and show that the natives are, like, these people who are actually being pushed off their land and that you do help them and you realize, like, it shows, like, the scenes, like, whenever you, after that, whenever you see natives, they're always portrayed in, like, an innocent light, like, when Magruder shoots a whole group of them with the, like, doctor. I mean, they're obviously peaceful in that instance. So, something is obviously driven, I mean, they even imply later on that the reason they're doing is because this railroad's being built into their, their land. So, I don't know. I think they kind of try and make up for it later on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's funny, there's, um, crap. I mean, they played a little bit ahead and I'm trying to remember if I'm actually talking about a mission that was after Houdou. The missions after Houdou are the ones where you start getting in the fort and stuff like that. Right. But I mean, like, eat up Indians. Right. There, there is a mission at one point where it's like you, you rescue a bunch of Indians from a train car and, like, the, the Apache Chief runs up and, and he says... Oh, that's, that's in this. That's in this one. Yeah, that's what I thought. Right. But also, before we skip the bridge mission. Yeah. The other bit of uncomfortableness with the mission was like all the, all the, like, the Chinese men sitting around there that were doing all the labor on there. You know, I mean, they, they were really... Coolies? Yeah. Yeah, basically, you know, that was another situation. It was like, oh, yes. I'm just saying. Casual racism. Yeah. Well, the, the casual racism. That's what the call of the game. I mean, that's the thing is that in that timeframe, that's totally like kind of what would make sense in the scheme of things too. Yeah, no, it's not, it's not saying that the game is racist. I mean, I, I don't think that, I think that it times the deals have loaded imagery, but it doesn't do it that carelessly. I mean, it's not using stereotypes out of context of those stereotypes. Okay. I'd agree with that. So you clear the bridge and then you got to fight the Indian head guy. What about shooting arrows out of the air? Yeah. That's you. Yeah. It was so easy. Like ridiculously easy. I actually did use that skill later on though. To shoot dynamite? Yeah. To shoot dynamite. I didn't show dynamite. Oh, next to the train. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, this, well, I did use it there, but I used it in one of the sheriff missions too. There's like guys on roofs throwing like bottles at you. And you shoot them out there. There's a point where I'd kind of wish you could shoot cannonballs out of the air. Yeah. Yeah. It's, but uh, so yeah. So you clear the bridge. You killed the lead Indian. And then what was the lead Indian's name? I don't remember. I mean, it's not even worth remembering because he's on the game for like five seconds. All right. Chief Bigum Smoke. He's just, he's just another body as far as I'm concerned. So, uh, so yeah. So you know my cat is into the catnip and she's attacking things. So you kill the Indian boss and then you can either talk to Jenny or do a bunch of missions for the sheriff. Which I did do all those because it was just like, yeah, like break up a fight. They're really fast. It was funny too because it was like break up the fight in the back alley. Which means the fight just means kill everyone. It's like you see them fighting each other. And as soon as you shoot at one of them, they all come at you. Not only that, but did you guys notice that when you're doing like those missions since I'd be riding around town on a horse pretty fast? If you just like hit someone that's walking across the street, they'll just draw their gun. Yeah. It's kinda falling. Yeah. There were a few times where I would accidentally draw my gun while I was facing someone. And if you're really close to them, they'll start shooting back at you. Like that happened. Is there a way to put away your gun in that game? Down. Because I'm okay. Direction pad, but I don't know what it would be on PC. I'm playing 360. Okay. So that's good to know because like every time I walk around town, I'm walking around like with two fucking guns out. They pointed it whoever I'm talking to. I was like, what are they shooting at you guys? I walk into, I walk into a saloon and like the guy behind the card that was like, I'm getting out of here. Yeah. Yeah. That's why you couldn't play cards. Yeah. The best investment you can make clearly is the first $15 you buy. It should be the gold pick. Oh yeah. Definitely. The turn is just gold. Yeah. I get sad when I'm doing missions and I ride by gold. If it's not a mission, it's time. Yeah. If I don't have to follow someone, I'm always grabbing it. That's when I always see it, though, with some of the following. But there's four gold things back then. And as soon as so, then you follow Jenny. You meet up with Jenny. Well, tell us about the sheriff missions because I didn't actually play these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'Cause there was some interesting ones. It's just like, he leaves town and then it'll be a few scenarios. So, like, one will be like, raiders are coming into the town. It's like, 20 horsemen will roll into town and you've got to take care of them. And that was the situation where I was saying where I had my rifle out and I saw it where they were all coming and they were just lined up one after another mission. Exactly. I took them all down with a headshot. Basically what you wanted is every time you shot them, you wanted to hear like, "Bing!" Right. You do hear that a lot. You do hear that. Yeah. It makes like a cha-ching sound. So, yeah, so then there was that one. There was break up the fight. Or murder. There was one over it. Right. There was like, save the hostage where there was like one or like... And you had to kill it. It was like, it had a timer that was running before they executed it. Yeah. And you had to like, run around and do your control. Yeah, there's a really cool sheriff mission where you have to, oh no, sorry. That was a different mission. It was a martial mission. Yeah. I think it was a martial mission. Or something where there's a witness that you have to protect from being hanged and shoot the rope. Oh yeah. Wow. Shit. I didn't play that one. It might be a story mission anyway. Well there, yeah. There's a story mission where you have to save soapy. Right. And that's after where we're supposed to be played. Oh it is. Bad mat. Oh well. I didn't. So, yeah. So, yeah. The sheriff missions are pretty much just that. Just a little quick. Very quick missions like, one minute later you got 20 bucks. It's cool how like his missions aren't just like, go and break up the game. Then you go back and get another mission. It's like three. Missions and a row. Yeah. Everything is very fast. There's not a lot of dicking around like going from point A to point B waiting for things to happen. Yeah. And I find it interesting that the sheriff says like, I have to go do some other things. Why don't you take care around town for me? And it's like, then you'll go and you'll break up the, you'll break up the fight in the alley. If you're not done, then you have the voice of the sheriff in your head telling you what to do next. It's like, were you at a town? You look up in the sky and there's like a cloud shaped like a space. The sheriff is a silon. The good thing about that shit is that in general they have like wanted posters and stuff spread throughout the level so that eventually if you do like a wanted mission and it leaves you in the middle of like nowhere, there's just right like a short distance and there'll be a wanted poster. Yeah. I did that a lot. Because I did a whole bunch of wanted missions because I'm like, man, how many of these are there? Because it's always a different person. There's always a different scenario. Okay. So I liked that. What did kind of annoy me was that the wanted poster never changes. It's always the same that we're a guy with hat. Right. I mean, that would be, that would be cool, but I kind of don't expect it from the graphics in this game. I just assume that it's like, you know, same wanted poster, same, same interactive object, you know, instance throughout the world. So I mean, it makes sense to me from like the time frame in which this game was made or when it should have been made. I had trouble taking guys alive that were on horseback. Oh, see, that's not hard. Shoot the horse. You shoot the horse to death. See, I tried to shoot the horse, but I apparently I just wailed on the guy's legs. Yeah, you're probably shooting on it from the side. You get behind him and you just shoot the horse and it's ass. That's what I, that's totally what I do. Horrible. Like I run, I run behind, I get close behind him, I pull out my quick draw and I just like drill the horse's ass until it falls. You know what I mean? That's wisdom for the ages. Reminds me of them my time in Idaho. That's like, those are words to live life by. That should be a bumper sticker, drill the horse's ass until it falls. I don't know. And then, yeah. Texas. And then, yeah, you shoot the guy once or twice and then you run up to him and grab him and so do him. Yeah, I just shoot him in the knee and the nerve. Shooting him seems more humane than going up to him and knifing the shit out of him. That was the second most important thing you can buy as a scalping knife. Which by the way, you can scalp guys after you headshot them and they still scream. Yeah, it wasn't. You can scalp anyone if they're still moving is the thing. I would like headshot a guy, he would fall on the ground, it would just be a corpse there and I could walk up there and scalp it. Oh, see, mine were always, they had to at least be like kind of moving. No, I swear I could scalp any corpse. How much money do you get for scalps because I haven't bought the scalp much. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think you get anything for scalps. I don't think you get anything for them. Even in the comments posted a link to an interview with the president of Neversoft. I think it was. He said that scalping was something they put in there but it didn't seem consistent with Colton's character and it doesn't seem consistent with Colton's character. He says it's Michael. Well, yeah, but you're that guy. When you walk in his eye, there goes that guy. No, it doesn't really seem consistent with him because he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would waste his time. Well, not only that, but I mean, fuck. That goes from I shot a man because he deserved it too. I ripped his fucking scalp off with a knife. That's not. That's just. He's people. He's people. The people that I have in general. Scalping most of the time were like, like the guys that like killed Ned or something. Like if you were pissed off at somebody, I would just say that because the great part was was make myself sound really twisted right here. But when you do it, they'll go up to him and be like, "No, please, please, please." He's like, "No." And there's that big spray blood. Yep. It's like this game's curb stomp. Exactly. No good. I did. There was one time where I accidentally, I did one of the wanted missions and I accidentally executed the person like I went up to it. Oh, you grabbed him? Yeah, I grabbed him. Hit the wrong button. Yup. And you just watched like this. They just go up and you just watch this blood splirt like out of their neck. And I'm like, "Oh, that wasn't what I wanted to do." And I think that person's dead. Yep. I only got the $10 reward. All right. Well, and lastly, like the other cool thing about all the side missions is that it improves your stats, like your quick draw stats. You know, if you do some of the ranching stuff, the next grade, it's worse. Yeah, I did like all the ransterment. I don't know. There's a way to like check the tangible numbers that you have. Because I would see like +4 and I'm like, "All right, I know I improved. I don't know where I stand." I think there is somebody who was talking about how they checked their stats, like their overall game stats. Yeah, I think it's in the pause menu. Yeah. Like you can see how many horses you've gilled. So I'm adding that. So that guy who's seen us the photo, that's going to be shot, if you don't generally like check the comments of the podcast or definitely check the comments from a number one because some guy posted pictures of a holocaust scene, and if you've ever seen dances with wolves, that scene where we're white coarser and the Indians see what the white man did to the buffalo. Like where there's just all these buffalo course. It's basically like that. It is like that. He murdered every animal from like Oregon. Like he murdered like all of the buffaloes, all of the cows and all of the horses in one area. And what was that movie with the, what's his face where he does the horse race cross country? And they want to kill the Mustangs because they're wild horses and they gun all the Mustangs down. It's more like that because they killed horses. Sad face. I want to know if he killed them all by sliding into them. Yeah. There's a comment from a listener named Dhaka who says, "I respect any game that allows you to kick a horse to death." That is attention to detail. It's not pounding them from the rear until they fall, but it gets the job done. So if you do the Sheriff missions, you meet up with Jenny. And she, and you just, you and the shotgun driver, and you guys have to hold off the wagon. I thought that was pretty cool, like that whole little canyon. It was, as far as escort missions go, it was surprisingly not annoying. Yeah. The thing about this game is the great checkpoints. Yeah. There's really good checkpoints. This whole game has good checkpoints. Just no autosaving. Right. And in general, like I go back to like the shooting and everything, it's so easy, it's so forgiving, but it's like the missions are fun and it's okay. I don't feel gypped for not having a challenge. You know, it may not have autosaves, but it does checkpoints super often and you can save anywhere. True. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Saving anywhere is very, very valuable. The whole escort mission right there with the wagons is kind of cool because it's like a whole vignette, a little scenes where you'll like roll up on another wagon that's under fire and there's no Indians attacking these dudes. Then you have to place barrels of TNT to like blow up in a passage so you can get through. The funny part is when the Indians start coming at you with TNT laden wagons. Yeah. Right. All right. Suicide bombers. All right, really quick guys, we got to do an inventory of the wagon before we go after those crackers. Horses. Yep. Got them. Wagon. Yep. Two Braves. Check. Barrels of TNT. Exposed. Ready. All right. We're ready. Let's do this. I know right. And you see it and you're just like quick draw, explosive cue. And they fly so far. So far. I think the people that get hit with things that explode in that game like it's like it's the physics engine thinks of them as like a pound. Yeah, later the later the cannon when you get on the cannon. Yeah, there are definitely guys. It's fun times there. Yep. And we're just clouds of body parts. That's my favorite man. When you get like the really good sniper rifle and you can blow people's legs off with the knee. Oh, the sniper rifle is awesome. So so eventually you get Jenny and there's it switches eventually you have to get on top. Yeah. Yeah. Which I liked a lot better because riding alongside it's kind of crappy. I wish you could have just stopped after saying that when you said next in that part of a journey you have to get on top of the wagon. The baby. She's a crack shot with that fucking rifle. She is. She's really good with that rifle. I mean, you know, in the end, Jenny made that, but I mean, man, that we'll talk about that later, but that was rough life that girl. No shit. On an Indians down in the canyon one day, just fuck shot in the head the other. No, no, not shot. If she were shot, that would have been a blessing. What? She got it. What's that? Magruder. Yeah. We'll talk. Oh, so yeah. So you ride and you get into town and you meet Magruder who's voiced by, uh, my tenors. Magruder. A very grizzled bishop playing the part of Magruder. Yeah. Magruder isn't in the town. You don't meet Magruder yet. Yeah, that's the voices Houdou sounds. Ron Perlman. Yeah, Ron Perlman. That's what I was saying. Yeah. Which is like, what isn't he in? Or it sounds like every other heavy character from a video game for the last four years. Because it's always Ron Perlman. And before we got to that point, like I knew he died because you guys said play until you kill Houdou. We said, I think we said take down. Take down Houdou. But in that game, taking someone down basically means killing them. Yeah. But when I heard it was Ron Perlman, I was like, well, that's a pretty good voice talent for them to get rid of Sorrelian in the game. But then again, it's kind of a short game, so. And then they can compare it to like Oblivion who they always-- Patrick Stewart. Patrick Stewart at the beginning. Yeah, exactly. Or I mean, Patrick Stewart. I mean, the only thing that Ron Perlman didn't fall out through was like the teaser trailer and the ending. Yeah. Yeah. That's-- You know, so you get to town and Houdou, like his character actually reminded me like instantly because of the facial hair and the kind of his mannerisms reminded me of the guy that what's his face played in Gangs of New York. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The butcher. Yeah. Yeah. He kind of reminded me of Bill the Butcher because the way he runs the town. I got the same. Mm-hmm. A lot of this game actually reminds me of that. That movie is kind of a Western in disguise in a lot of parts. Oh, it's just a Western. It's an Eastern. It's an East Coast Western. It's an East Coast. [LAUGHTER] Basically. I mean, this-- yeah. Living in the city was probably the same way. Yeah. So, see, you reach town, you meet Houdou, and you get the impression that things are all fucked up there, but Houdou is a good and honest. A good and honest citizen just trying to make his way. He seems cussed, but fair. [LAUGHTER] Andy. A good word. And into doing hookers. [LAUGHTER] Apparently. It's like his first priority as soon as Jenny gets there. There is no one in that game that it's not a fan of doing hookers. [LAUGHTER] OK. There was no one in that time period that was not a fan of doing hookers. Well, did you mention in the last game club that was sort of a respected profession? Well, yeah. It was a necessary profession. There's a side mission that I didn't do where you have to rescue a woman of enterprise. [LAUGHTER] Yeah. We already talked. Yeah. That's back in Dodge. That was the one where we had to, like, quick draw on shooting. Yeah, because it was like a really quick timer before she'd ever throw its lit. Yes. I wish there would have been, like, a robo-cop scene where you could, like, shoot through a dress and, like, shoot the guy on the balls. [LAUGHTER] I was like, "Oh." So yeah, so then the first mission really is who deputizes you. And you join up with What is Too Men Web and Rude Ba, Rude Ba. Rude Ba, yeah. It was an unfortunate name. You guys go to fucking strikeout against Chavez E Chavez. Mm-hmm. Which, as mentioned last podcast, you may recall that name from the Young Guns series of films with Lou Diamond Phillips playing Chavez E Chavez. Mm-hmm. Right. You know, Lou Diamond Phillips doesn't really look that Mexican. Because he looks more Native American, typically. Which Chavez E Chavez was Native American in his life. Yeah. I'm just saying, yeah, I'm just saying that this guy in this game specifically-- That is a Mexican. That's Mexican. That's Mexican. He doesn't look like whoever America wants to ever. [LAUGHTER] He looks like the guy from-- what was that-- what was that arcade game called that was awesome? It was, like, an arcade 2-D-- 2, like, side 2. What's that movie with the guy? Shut up for a second. [LAUGHTER] You know, is that arcade game, side-scrolling shooter, Western? And you could either be, like, two of the white cobblows. Sunset riders? Yeah, or Sunset riders. Sunset riders. Or you could be the Mexican who had the sombrero, poncho, and shotgun. [LAUGHTER] That's what I picked, man. He looked the coolest. Yeah, I would pick this game. All the health pickups turned into nachos. What was that about? [LAUGHTER] So, yeah. So-- It was a fun game. He kind of reminded me of, like, character from Sunset Riders. Yeah, because he was, like, poncho. Fucking sombrero. Yeah. He actually reminded me, like, after we played the first episode of "Gun," I decided to watch "The Magnificent Seven" since it's been sitting in my Netflix queue for a long time. And he reminds me of the main villain from "The Magnificent Seven." I don't know if you've seen it or not. I don't think so. And now that you have, have you sons of bitches. Maybe. I might have. I had Charles Bronson before. He was tiny and old. [LAUGHTER] I brought it a long time ago, is the thing. So, I don't know. Yeah. And then Chavez gets away, so you web and root about. After you murder all of his compatriots in the bar. They shouldn't be wearing masks, first of all. So you web and root about right out to the ranch that apparently is, like, their little secondary hideout. Mm-hmm. And then you murder my rest of his friends. Well, I'm just saying, yeah, you kill every single person out there. And then you still think you're doing the right thing until you open up the barn and the rancher and the guy and his wife are there. Yeah. And he doesn't even hesitate. And your guy, instead of letting the go, shoots at them. I don't know. Why would you let that go if you were him? That's consistent with the character. And he's like, what the fuck? I'm saying, they were set up to kill him. I mean, because the cutscene plays out, not just that you're like, what the fuck. And then they revealed it, like, well, yeah, what the fuck we're out here to kill you too. No, wait. No, I didn't see that. And I kind of got that it was more like they were just telling him, like, look, you're a pawn. This is just what this is. This is the way it is. But then once he shoots at the guy's foot, they're like, I don't know. Yeah. Like they start to walk away. They're not taking him serious, so he fires a warning shot. And then they're like, oh, it's on. Which was a shame for me because I thought that they were-- I thought that they made it clear that they were sent out there to kill him. No, I don't think anybody knew yet that Colton had to die. Well, though, honestly, this whole part of the game of the narrative is really clipped and weird. And apparently the reason for that is because content was cut, so that might be why there may have been a lot more story. Oh, you know, content's cut. Someone posted in the content in the comments, but they just said content was cut after someone complained that the story was sort of like got weird and stunted during the whole period, the whole point of empire. So when you guys did that fight with Webb and Rude Ball, it was one of them on a horse and one of them on foot. Yes. Yeah. OK, I was just making sure, because yeah, I killed the guy on foot first, obviously. Right. Well, he was in the doorway of the barn, too. Right. And that was a pretty cool battle in the barn with him, because when I was fighting him, he was going back and forth to the different doors. Outside the barn? Yeah, that's like this for me, too. Yeah. So I was like hiding behind posts. It's such a Western movie archetype fight, a gun fight for the barn. Totally. Yep. I was throwing Molotov cocktails to set it on fire, that really would have sold me. Well, and then you run outside and you kill the guy on the horse, too. This was really cool, because this was the first time where I was like, oh, every time I kill a major character, I get their gun. Yeah. I really like the whole weapon upgrade system and gun, which is not something I was expecting at all. I figured it would just be, well, you've got your gun and you can upgrade it, and that's it. But instead, it's like, well, there are all these crazy guns that you end up finding. And it's not only your stats, but the actual models reflected in game. You could see it when you go to quick draw and the sound, like every gun sounds different. You know? I didn't notice that. Yeah. They really make it a reward every time you get one of these new kinds of guns. I just wanted to hold it over his head. It does seem pretty universal, too. I mean, I really like how the upgrades are universal. So if you buy your pistol up, you're boring. Oh, are they? They didn't apply. It applies to every pistol. Yeah. Otherwise, I don't think there's even enough gold in the game to give you enough for all that. Right. There was one gold pile that I found right outside of Dodge, if you head straight out the tracks and it's in between two rocks, and it would not activate. Like I would go over it, and normally I get the prompt to just press Y button. I had a couple where I had to stand on top of it before the prompt drill. And then when you hit it, he would slide to the right spot. He would slide to the animation spot. There are, I mean, there are some glitches in the game, for sure. Sure. I mean, I think that's a common thing with any open world game, because eventually not every corner was mashed into by a horse with every Q-A person running against it to make sure he didn't bug out. We have a comment from a listener. Joel from Canada says he thought he'd add to the glitch stories part of the discussion. I was playing last night and while riding my horse at a full gallop in the Empire city, I decided I wanted to stop at the shopkeep. Instead of pressing the stop button, I hit jump and jumped right into the barkeep. When I hit him, my horse landed hip-deep into the ground, started shaking, and then we dropped through the ground. I don't know. That's exactly what I'm saying. After falling through the ground, we were suddenly falling in the sky. Finally, my horse and I died upon hitting the ground about 10 feet away from the shopkeep. That's what I'm saying. Who was the Q-A guy that was like, "I've always seen that happen in one other game, or two other games. I've seen that happen in a oblivion and fallout where all the sudden an enemy would just rock it into the sky." I had that happen in every quest, the game, and the times that I would bug out and then log back in and I'd just be like, "What am I doing?" I used to happen pretty frequently to people like, "Wow, I'll take a quick second for a weird request," or like, that used to happen where I would be falling through the sky and yeah, you would take like 20,000 damage and a request when you died to your experience. So I'd lose like 12 hours worth of experience. Oh my god. That would make me alright. So then you have to petition, right? That happened to me another time though, and I bugged out when I was zoning because then that came, you had to load between areas. And so I bugged out when I was zoning and I logged back in and I was just in a purple box. And it had tech scrolling on the walls, like the Matrix shit. And it turned out that I was basically like in like an interdimensional thing where people go when they bug out mid zone, that specific one, and then it was like a fucking wizard GM appeared and he was like, "Duh, duh, duh," he was wearing like all this gear that had crazy effects on it. And then he pointed a stick at you and it killed you. No, he just boy, he just like magically was like, "Alright, you're out." And I just like disappeared and was like back in the real world. And my friend Paul had a friend that, he befriended GM because GM's and EverQuest were literally like Neo in the Matrix where they could just do shit, take control of monsters, do all that stuff. So like one time, like if you had deja vu and EverQuest they'd be like, "Oh, a GM must be changing the system somewhere." There were certain bosses in that, and I request like there was this castle called Mismore that was run by a vampire and the only time you would see the vampire was if a GM was controlling him. So, yeah, that was like supposedly the big thing about EverQuest was that like the GMs could like do live quests and things like that. Yeah, they would initiate events that were one of a kind, but yeah, one time my friend Paul was playing in a GM basically said, "Just like you might as well played like Aladdin music like, 'I can show you the world.'" Because all of a sudden my friend Paul was like, "GEM is like, 'Hey man, you want to go see like the planes,' which is like level 55 and higher and Paul's like 20." And he's like, "Okay." He's like, "No, the planes and like seeing giants." He's like the ghost of Christmas future. Yeah, and then like movie friend Paul said he would see like sea giants and sea dragons and then he'd just get transported back and be like, "All right, I'll see you later." I love thinking about it in a romantic way though, like when they leave it's like, "Thanks." I did. I went to it. He's all breathy. And I request once. Moving on. Moving on before we figure out if you are waiting. After you kill web and how it wasn't, thank God. After you kill web and root a bomb, you head back to Empire. And I didn't like the two rancher missions before I headed back. Oh, did you? I think I might have to just to see what it was like. I didn't have any rancher missions yet. The rancher missions seem stupid, but yeah, they're really actually kind of fun. Yeah. It's like you're hurting cattle. Right. You just have to make sure you stay at the right angle on them. Yeah. And it's like easier to hurt cattle than it was like in Twilight Princess even. Oh, wow. That hurting. I never did Twilight Princess. It was frustrating for me. And there was actually one rancher mission later on where you go and you kill a horse thief and then you run the stallions back to the ranch. Do you walk into the house and it's you sitting on the floor? Yeah. Or are you walking ins full of guys? We're here to kill you, horse thief. For thieving our horses. So yeah, so you go back to Empire and you're about to fuck up who's day and then he tells you that the preachers in the other room and Jenny screams. So you run in only to see her get her fucking throat slant. Yep. Like there's not even any sad ceremony. Man, that was a hardcore. It was. I expected like when I saw this happening, I'm like, okay, now they're going to give me a chance to quick draw like no or or they'll knock me out. And I'll have to or she'll rescue me or I'll rescue her or something and then said he just takes out his knife and fucking he cuts that shit deep. That's like a hostile style. I don't even think it was when I actually thought it was a flat razor was. Yeah. Yeah. Same when he used to cut off the dudes here. He barbered the fuck out of her neck. Yeah. There was even a a polygonal flap. Yeah. No, like we could see the groove in her neck like the in they modeled the fucking inside of her throat. God damn, never saw. The details we love. So yeah, so he kills her and then you try and be a badass, but you get knocked the fuck out by who do you like you bust a bottle over your head, doesn't he? Yeah, which in real life, that's like death. And then you wake up in the prison with and that's where you meet soapy and what was the other guy's name? I don't remember. I don't. There's only one guy in the port. No, there's port port and soapy. I was the guy with the fucked up arm. I actually wanted to read. Try. Okay. Yeah, he's from a listener before we moved on about the Jenny thing. Let's see. This is from Bad Decisions. All right. As is this post, I'm still pre who do endpoint for the next podcast. I'm so glad I'm playing this game with you guys. This is quickly moving up in my short list of favorite games. There are actually a lot of people that are posting in comments and email. I'm saying a lot of you really enjoy this game, but I played it and I was like fuck. It just came out at such an unfortunate point in the console cycle. Like it came out at when the 360 was coming out and I think Final Fantasy. Well, this game even looks old for last gen consoles, you know? Yeah, it does. Yeah. But even there in our last episode, my impression of the game was like, okay, you know, I'm enjoyed it. I'm liking it. But then after the mission, right after you do the bridge and you sort of escort the, you know, into the big town. I was like sold. The woman of enterprise. Awesome. Like it just keeps getting better and better, you know? Yeah. It was sort of tempered Tyler enthusiasm last episode as opposed to the usual Tyler enthusiasm. So he says it's moving up on his short list of favorite games is mostly due to the setting and the story. Yeah. I'm a person who actually plays games to the story and plot just the same as any other entertainment medium I engage with as someone mentioned earlier. I love the simple revenge plot without also being tasked with saving the world. That is also a nice thing that it's a very personal story as far as those things go. It's so engrossing to me that I am actually feeling a personal desire for revenge would finally made me snap and turn into a vindictive machine of death was the Jenny death scene in Empire. I was caught completely off guard. The reason being that she was played up as a love interest as well as being used as a helpful companion character on several missions. You got a funny idea of love, my friend. Affection and love on the planes, man. You get what you can take. You took part in her trade. I mean, her dress was turquoise, but it might as well have been read because I knew as soon as I met her like she's going, you know, you're out over there. No, I'm okay. Pramp. I'm on the planes. What would you do if this happened? You just, I'd get you. I'd get you a bandaid out of my bathroom. At this point you'd have like syphilis or diphtheria or something. After two minutes, Jesus harsh in that world. Oregon trail, man. So yeah, I see you're in prison with port. I wasn't done yet. Oh, I thought you already read his comment. No, it was a fairly long comment and I like, I like tripping you up. I was caught completely off guard by the Jenny death scene and I genuinely believe she would survive until the end and wind up riding off into the sunset with Colton. This isn't that kind of a game. Upon hearing her scream and Colton rushing upstairs to the rescue, I figured there would either one be a continuation of the cutscene where she escaped from whoever would be holding her with another buddy mission shootout and suing from there to be another quick draw hostage event where you would blow the capture set off and save the damsel in distress, like Matt said. Be a cutscene where Colton was knocked out and the two would wake up tied to the railroad tracks or something. That actually would have been awesome with who do you standing with his arms crossed a lap. Yeah, but who would have saved you? I don't know, but if the screen turned black and white and like cool piano music played, I would have been really stoked. So when Colton rushed to the rescue, only to have that fucking preacher cut her throat so deep and abruptly that she was turned into a human PEZ dispenser, I literally screamed at my TV with a white hot rage brighter than a thousand some. The only other time I was so shocked by a video game's player's death was when Aerospell and Final Fantasy says, "But now I can add Jenny to the ranks." But there was no one hour cutscene for Jenny's death. Honestly, when Jenny died, I didn't care. I was like, "Oh, damn." I didn't have any attachments to Jenny. We slept together. We took it to ride together. That was it. What's funny is you're such a heartless bastard in games, and you're such a romantic plus in her life. She did conscious run free apparently. He also noticed that she like gurgled out help as she fell to the ground. Did she really? I think so. She tried to say something as she fell. She did. It wasn't quite getting up to her mouth as it was coming out. It was only coming out of her throat. Help. She's like, "Oh no, I sprouted it on her neck like you're doing it on her nose." She couldn't quite articulate it. So jail. Pouring jail. Pouring, so with port, and shocking, and you find out from port that, you know, Houdo's actually linked with Magruder, which you kind of figured that out yourself anyways. Yeah, and the preacher. And the preacher. And then soapy and port kind of give you clue you in that you can totally get this guard when he's close to the bars. And then you can use his badge. His keys. His badge. Well, but his keys is what you're supposed to do. Yeah. So you grab them for his keys, and then you figure out he doesn't have them, and he tells you you're still going to die. And then soap tells you you can just use his badge, and then make a thing to get open and like case only. And Colton says, "Well, you know what that means for you, friend." Yeah, and then he's fucking conscious. What do you do? Did he use his knife, or did he use the badge? I'm assuming he used the badge, or he used his sword. That would have been a radical order, showed it. Basically, he's just, like Chuck North, he just uses his hand, just by making the throat cut motion. He's fucking throat first open. How do you mean? He just exploded. Maybe he has a really long pinky fingernail, you know. I actually think what it mostly comes down to is they only ever animated the execution thing as a throat cut, and not as a neck break. So too bad. Well, if it was a neck break, that would be like a Jean-Claude Van Damme game. I don't know that you could break someone's neck through bars like that. It doesn't really seem like you don't have the range of bunches at all. Stephen, what you have to do is you just arm bar them through the bars, and choke them to death probably. And that is weights. That takes way too long for the pacing in this game. Yeah. You get out of the gates, and you get like, you only get your rifle and your pistol, I think, right? Yeah. This is after picking the lock, which was kind of dumb. Yeah. It's just you tap the key over and over again. Yeah. I'm like, it seems like the message on the bottom of the screen is like, tap the whatever button to tumble the lock, and I'm like, oh, so it takes something that I just have to tap this like five times. Exactly. I thought there was a rhythm game or something, too, but there's not at all. So yeah, so you get out, and then you grab your weapons, basically the only thing you've got ammo for is a bow and arrow and your pistols, but yeah. The bow and arrow is a lot of fun to use. Yeah. You're supposed to go, and now you're supposed to gather three horses to see you come all right out together and do it silently, but I fucked it up every time I'd shoot like a guy at the bow and hit him in the leg, and the other two would just be like, oh, really? I successfully killed a couple guys with bow headshots, but I mean, there were sometimes definitely where I do think that the hit detection on the bow is a little bit off. I think it was just suck. It would be very clear that, like, okay, I'm shooting this guy in the head. I'm taking the shot of the lob. Yeah. I see the arrow lobbing down to his head, and it hits him in the shoulder when I'm shooting him from behind. Yep. And I'm like, okay, that wasn't even the angle I fired the bow. I didn't have any problem at all. I couldn't shoot with the bow. I was going to say that's so weird. I didn't have any problem at all. I didn't have any problem at all. I didn't have any problem at all. I was going to say that's so weird. I didn't have any problem at all. I gave up and just pulled up my pistols and killed everyone. And I mean, if you charge the bow all the way, hitting them in the chest kills them. Yeah, that's all I did was I held down the bow until I just got tired of that slow pace. So I just run in there and kill everyone and then move on and get the horse. And I need to make sure of the two. So, yeah, you get in that town anyway. There's always, like, when you're rolling through that town, there's always that one section where there's going to be, like, one white guy and, like, one Asian guy shooting each other down. You know, like, always. Oh, an empire? Yeah, an empire. There's always a fucking gunfight going on in the saloon. And one time I got off my horse, I'm like, fuck this, I'm going to take these guys down. I'll be the hero of the town. And I shot someone that was firing and all of a sudden, like, the town's patience with me started dropping. It's like, we don't want outsiders getting involved in our bar gunfight. We enjoy our gun shot ambience. So, wait, is there, there's like a town patience meter? Yes. If you shoot civilians, the town, the town's patience with you will dwindle. Yeah, if you take it all the way down, it's like everyone's like, they're hot. Six open their windows and it's like, I'm actually tempted to try that. So it's not. Yeah, you just save and then go around and killing spree. Right. So it's not quite the outlaw comes down the alley and everybody closes up their window. It's everybody takes justice into their own hands. Exactly. The street justice. So, so, yes. That's like a scene out of, the end scene out of Sin City. Exactly. That's what it's like. It's not like just street justice. It's just like pre-emptive war. So wait, I think we, I feel like we skipped a mission. I don't think we did. I don't think so. There's the mission in, is it in an empire where you have to go meet another deputy on the roof of a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a federal marshal. Oh, okay. A commercial mission, you know. Cause yeah, there, there's a federal marshal just standing in the middle of empire after I did like it. Right. I just actually didn't do any of those just because I figured I would get to them after the hoodie stuff. I've done several of them. They're cool. I mean, like, that's just that, that, like we talked about before, these side missions, every single one is just a little bit different and they're all, they're all set up. They use the whole map, you know, they use same parts of the map differently. It's interesting. They, they put a lot of work into the side missions in this game and I feel like if people aren't playing the side missions, not only are you making the game really short for yourself shorter than it already is, but you're missing out on a lot of really great content. It's almost like the benevolence of, of Neversoft kind of screwed them in the review process because by making the side missions not mandatory to finish the game with the exception of upping your stats. Right. It's such a huge chunk of the game that a lot of people just probably never really got into. Right. And they are just flavor. I mean, I wish they, I wish there was more story relevance to them. I wish you could like, you know, expand on the story by playing the side missions, but at least the side missions themselves are fun. I mean, a classic like point is the mission where you kill the two henchmen at the ranch. Yeah. Immediately, I turned around and started doing ranch jobs, but I'm sorry for destroying your ranch. Right. I don't know if the rancher's gone down. Yeah. Yeah. But the rancher and his family. The kids are taking over. You know, there actually was two missions that I did. There was a, oh, shit, how did that, how did that sequence go? It had to involve the mayor of Dodge and there was, there was one, there was one mission where it was where you go after this, this, I think you're protecting a woman. Are you protecting a woman or killing a woman that the mayor wants to kill? Jesus Christ. Oh, yeah. It's a wanted mission. Like there's a wanted poster mission where she castrated a man and so you go after her and then you kill her. And her whole gang. And her whole gang. Which are all women, by the way, and then you go back to Dodge and the mayor has gone crazy. I think I've got castrated. Yeah. He's gone crazy and is now an arsonist and is trying to burn down the town with his gang. And so you have to go and kill the mayor. And he's all upset because you killed the woman who castrated him that he wanted to kill. Yeah. And, and he like it says, take him down peacefully, but you can't. Did you? Yeah. Oh. I just shot him and everyone else there. I shot everyone out. You're talking to shoot first. I asked questions later. You have to shoot. You have to kill his whole gang before you can take him down peacefully. No. You have to shoot everybody else first. Fuck this and dodge. Yeah. Man. Well, these were wanted poster missions. I don't have any. Yeah. I did like three, I think. Two or three. Yeah. We don't know because it'll come after you do the one where it's for a woman wanted dead only for castrating a man. I think I'm going to spend a lot of time this week between episodes and do inside missions. Yeah. They're cool. I even did like the, the hunter ones like I, I spooked the gray wolf twice. I spooked him once. The gray wolf who is hanging out or outside and around dodge. Right. Right. Just for anyone. Right. And I finally did that one and I was disappointed in this. Like he gives me bonus to my gun hand. I was hoping it would give me some kind of bow bonus or stealth bonus or something like that. And then I go back and I got another hunter mission and I snuck up and killed the great white buffalo. And then there's another mission after that I think and now I'm on a mission where I'm supposed to go kill a cougar. But anyway, they're, they're, they're fun. I mean like stocking up on the animals and like trying to beat them right between the eyes. But usually both time or the, the times that I've done it, I swear to God I'm standing right at it. It's walking towards me. It's just about to get spooked and I fire an arrow at its head. Everything happens. It starts to run away and like this happened to me on both the dog and the buffalo where I shot at the wolf from behind and hit it in the head and, and put it down. And then I did the same thing with the buffalo like just as they were turning or something, I think I like shot the arrow into the head like from the side. Maybe there's a glitch with the PC version in the bow and arrow. I don't know. I mean if you're having trouble hitting stuff, well I'm not like I got the bow upgrades that make it fire farther faster and make it more deadly. And after I got those, I've had a lot less problems. So maybe it's just a lot. Farther, faster and more deadly, harder, faster. Tyler just came back from the bathroom. That was contribution. That was, that was what he was chanting to himself as he went in. We didn't have chili dogs for dinner. So, so yeah, so, so yeah, we didn't skip any missions. You gathered the three horses. And then after that you got to gather, you got to get a barrel TNT to the side of the prison so you can blast soapy the fuck out of it. I like how you're talking to yourself as you're doing it. This should do the job, but if it doesn't, it was nice knowing you're so. I mean, you don't really know. I mean, that should have blown like bits of soapy all over the gym. Right. I mean, reality is like half a stick of dynamite would have killed soapy. So like a whole barrel of it. A barrel of powder. I mean, it's like inside of a mountain. It calls a teen. Yeah, it says teens. Like, it's almost like a high wave. It's just a powder. Right. Um, so yeah, so you escape with, uh, with port and soapy after like blowing the heads off of people as you're riding through town. Yeah, like a park. You don't really have to kill everyone. You pretty much just ride through them. I did kick a lot of people with my horse. I hope your horse doesn't die. Yeah. Yeah. And then you ride to the fucking, uh, Rebel Outpost. So you ride to, uh, just a spot in the middle of nowhere and then so we can. I went to the Rebel Outpost like when I was just exploring for gold, like the first time I opened up Empire. Yeah. I found it too. Yeah. And I was like, what are all these guys standing around here not shooting me? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You would think if they're really rebels, they'd shoot you anyways because like, yeah, he knows. Yeah. But, uh, or that they would have blocked off the camp or something. So that's right. So, so be, so be leaves, um. You will encounter him again. What you write off with port and port takes you to the rebel camp and the rebel leader, they recognize you and basically, no, he doesn't recognize you. Well, no, but he does because that's why he thinks ports a douche because this guy totally killed a bunch of our guys, like your infamous, this guy slaughtered everyone in the bar. Exactly. Exactly. So you're kind of infamous for that and the ranch murders. So, but then, you know, port bails you out by telling him that you killed web and root a bar, which is great. I like the killing two dudes is enough to make up for slaughtering like 73 people. Well, I guess he just kind of says the fact that you realize that you were on the side of evil and the fact that I think the other thing that saves you is that you knew Ned. So, right. Well, that you want to kill, uh, who do like real. And more important, the gruder, which they really care about. So my first impression of, uh, port and the rebel leader when I saw them together, the rebel leaders play clay. Clay. Man, these guys ride on broke back mountain cause he like really cares about our, are you calling Tom scared of homosexual? He really cares about point. He wasn't top gun. Didn't they, um, uh, didn't somebody in the comments last week or something? They were talking about how, you know, all the characters in this game are based off, you know, real a lot of a lot of them are in the, and that clay was actually some kind of like, you know, crazy, messed up mofo, uh, I don't remember exactly. He was like a rebel leader, but he also just really enjoyed pulling the teeth out of women's mouth. Jesus Christ. I like how that just came up off the top of your head. Actually, I only came into my head because later on there is a mission where clay is having teeth ripped out of his mouth. That's true. So it does happen. Yep. That's all. I remember the letter you're talking about. I just don't, I don't remember if it was a letter or if it was a comment. Well, I'll keep going then while you look at it. So clay, uh, you meet up with clay and then clay tells you, you know, like, all right, it's time to get those fuckers. And first thing we got to do is we got to get ourselves this, the, what's it? What does it call it? It's not called a chain gun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, do they say we have to get the Gatling gun? Well, they, they tell you you need to stop it from getting in the hands of him. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so that's the big important thing. So first you ride out into like the valley and you have to set T and T. I like that. So yeah. So you have to set three barrels of it. Well, you have to set four barrels. So yeah. So first you set the three and then it makes it feel like you're just about to do this dumb mission where you're just going to set three barrels, four barrels and that'll be it. But then after the third one, all of a sudden the mission changes. Yeah. Another member of the rebellion rides up and says that Chavez, each of us and his gang went to stop the train and they, it was a trap and I like that when you roll up to dodge it and there's the train and you're helping out Chavez each of us, all those guys are so Mexican. Like none of the other rebels are Mexican, but those guys are all with Chavez. Those are the Mexicans. So he was like, they sent him, it's like a, it's the fucking Latin king. I'm actually picturing like the out of the rebel camp. When they're saying like, well, first wave, Santiago, exactly and then they're like second wave, Smith, Robertson, Jesus Christ, yes, you go and you bail out the Mexicans, yeah, and kill a shitload of guys, that's the thing in that game is like anybody that would have killed as many people as cold and did would have gone down in history just for that. It's a mass murder of epic proportion. Yes. It's during the cutscenes, a lot of times they're talking about they must have 20 men riding in here and I got it. Exactly. They have 30 men. I'm just like, it's like, so what are we having for dinner? Yeah, it's like two quick trunks. But, so yeah, so you go and you help them out and then the train gets moving and you and Clay got a haul ass back to the, the bomb set. I didn't even really feel like it was that hard to get back to the bomb spot. No, I mean, you, they do a really good job of masking the fact that it's really like like a couple hundred yards. Right. And then you have to go through the canyons and stuff. Right. Right. Something I did like as a, as you're traversing through that, that areas and this takes place in a Colorado or Montana, like that there are hot springs. Well, no, it's, the, I think it's supposed to be, it's a dodges in Kansas. Dodges in Kansas. So I think it's supposed to be like this, this small map is supposed to be Montana all the way down to Kansas, all represented in this. Like an ultra condensed, yeah, like it's got the crazy geology and like Utah. Yeah. The migration west took 45 minutes. Right. Yeah. Thanks. I liked that there are hot springs and stuff around that there's like a variety of stuff. Totally. Yeah. That's like, that's like you're walking through like, you know, southern Yellowstone. Can you just fall in that giant hole and it's like a wall walking to it? It makes perfect sense because, you know, it's like if you're in Montana, in the north of the map and you, you eventually do go back, you know, across the river and back to the north where the steamboat was, which was supposed to be in Montana. And as you're coming south or whatever and like, there's those hot springs and stuff, maybe that's supposed to be like Wyoming. Mm hmm. You are really good at geography. Man, I forget that Wyoming is even a state. I, well, that person can think of that person that said we were uneducated. It helps that I can think what he wants, but I forget Wyoming is a state a lot of times. It helps that I spent the first 11 years of my life in southeastern Idaho. Who lives in Wyoming? Honestly. Are there, are there actually Americans there? Yes. I actually presented that the theory is just like, they're going to be angry people from Wyoming. I've been to Wyoming. I just want to know. Or is it just like, that's where we're stopping our nukes. When I was in college, I was of the opinion that Wyoming was made up and it's not real because it's like, cause it's like, cause it's like, all the borders are straight, you know. Is that where the leprechauns live? That's what I'm saying. Who lives in Wyoming? Is that a person from Wyoming in my life? I've apparently driven through there, but how do I know that that's where I am. How many people do you know from like Rhode Island? I've met people in Rhode Island. I know there's a culinary school in Rhode Island. I've seen politicians from Rhode Island. I've never seen a politician on TV from Wyoming. I'm just saying, I don't think, I don't think that state exists. I'm saying either. When you drove through it, you were actually just in the Montana and they've just changed the way maps look. So it's just like, you never drove through that. That square doesn't even exist. The whole earth is actually like, that's shorter. You have heard of Yellowstone Park though, right? Yeah. But I'm just saying that's not actually in Wyoming. That's like, I don't know. It's actually in Wyoming. There's like space out the United States. Before you email angrily, this is Anthony saying this, not me. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. They made it just to do, make it a better shape. Yep. Yeah. It feels the same way. And this whole spherical earth thing, I don't know, flat earth is sort of what I'm subscribing to. If you look off in the horizon, it looks like it ends. That's all I'm saying. For real. I mean, you could see it. Because it does. Exactly. That's where Wyoming is. At the end of the rainbow. Exactly. I mean, it is where leprechauns live. Y'all see leprechaun. Raise your hand, y'all saw leprechaun. He's in a movie that we've been making for a few years. Yeah. It's gonna take place in Wyoming, including the one that's leprechaun in space. More left in the hood. So you blow up a train somewhere underneath a rainbow. So yeah, so you go back and you throw the fourth barrel on there and you get above and you shoot the train and they did a pretty good job in the train crash. Yeah, they did. And I said, how did training guys live? For a long time, too, like I would ride my horse back to that area and the train was still there. Oh, like no one cleared the obstruction. Yeah. That's good. Who's gonna do it? You fucking kill all of them. Well, and it's like, it seems like guys, you gotta get this train cord out of here. Everyone we send down there dies, okay? You kill everybody, then you rescue some Indians and then you're confronted by the Indian from the beginning cutscene. Yeah. No, that's not the Indian from the beginning. It's not. That's true. But it makes you, I'm just saying it's. But he does have the cross tattoo on his back. And he has the cross ax, right, which is missing a piece, which becomes very important. Yeah. And the, yeah, the, and he's like, you have killed many braves. And then the Colton Z, he's like, so great. He's got like such great one liners, he's all rescued a bunch of them. Now I've saved a bunch of them. Yeah, I like that. It really makes me want to see. Now I've saved many. Is it implying that he's speaking in their tongue? No, what it says is that I, he understands that you can't quite see. I'm just saying, how are they understanding him? I guess they speak English well enough. Yeah, maybe they understand it well enough. Yeah. Now I've saved many. This makes me want to see Thomas Jane in a Western real bad. Do you know Thomas Jane is Thomas Jane played the Punisher in the newer Punisher movie with John Travolta? That's Thomas Jane. He's also the dad and the mist. Yeah. Haven't seen it. Really? Oh man. Do you want to be super depressed? You're going to borrow that. Okay. Thomas was depressing and somehow that director made the ending of the book more depressing. Oh, it reminds me, I didn't bring World War Z back for you. That's fine. But that book's awesome. Yes, it is. Um, alright. So you, so you kill everyone on the train and you guys get your hands on the, the gaddle and the gun. Yep. And you go and set that up at the fucking Rebel camp. Yep. And you have basically the unlimited, never overheating canon of death. Which is funny, yeah, because that's what's funny when, the next morning when you wake up and they're like, there's 30 men attack and it's just like, they were like, they were all going to be turned into meat and then we will eat them because this is, this is Wyoming. Let the con land. It was so funny because like we're, we're there, we're there with the getling gun and I'm thinking to myself, I have, I have was like, why are you getting me a sniper rifle? There's a getling gun. Yeah. Everyone knows leprechauns eat men, by the way. True. Does that mean that hunting leprechauns would be hunting the most dangerous game? Yeah. Leprechauns can also regenerate limbs. Yeah. So you don't know if you're, if you're hunting them or if they're hunting you. So. I really did like the sniper rifle. Drinking their blood lets you regenerate. Okay. So I thought the sniper rifle was weak here. Wait, what? I said drinking their blood lets you regenerate limbs too. You just cracked a lot of suck 'em like an egg. Sort of like that South Park where they're drinking penises. Exactly with the penises. Yeah. You got it. Let's forget Anthony. He's been working his way backwards through all of South Park, basically. Ah. Yeah. Um. God. Okay. So the sniper rifle I felt was actually not that useful. No, I basically pulled out my, I pulled out my regular rifle and used that instead for that part. Is this like one shot? It's like one shot. Yeah. It takes for, it's like he's hand cranking a crossbow or something. The nice thing is that wherever you shoot them they die. Like it doesn't matter where it hits them, they die and if you shoot them in the legs you'll shoot off. Oh yeah. That was the first time I got a dismemberment kill is where I blew some of his leg off. And the best part is they're usually alive so you can go scout them afterwards. I shoot them. I just liked it because you can zoom in more and I can get a nice up and close view of their head popping. Popping, yeah. You can see the very poorly compressed textures turning purple and green and even identifying by the teeth. Have you noticed that if somebody is far enough away and they're on a horse it looks like a 2D sprite with like two frames of animation? I didn't, I did notice that with the fucking buzzer juicy out in the middle of nowhere. It's like they've got three frames of animation. Wings up, wings down, wings middle. From a distance, yeah. It's like watching Pac-Man on Atari. Yeah, I can't remember the last time I saw like level of detail animation because you know when they get closer to you it's like that really was a 3D model. He just only had three frames of animation at that distance. Um, so yeah you do some sniping and then you have to capture the cannon and then you do the gatle. The first clay, yeah clay runs off in the distance for whatever fucking reason. And you man the cannon. And you man the gatle. The gatling. The gatling. I'm the gun man. Why do you run off to hunt leprechauns? Broke back now. Where can I quit you? Port, where are you? I can't, if we're going to die I want to go out like this. Yeah. You have to take the skin boat to port. I want to go out here. What was it shooting in the ass? All of a sudden gun means something different. Um, so yeah you eventually get the gat, yeah you use the gatling gun. Anyone, anyone who's a real cowboy listening is like fucking broke back man. You murder like 42 people. You ruined our most masculine symbol. And then you grab the cannon, the cannon of never ending reload. Okay, so the cannon was kind of annoying just because it was super annoying. If you just keep running though, you generally won't let me roll. I finally got up to the cannon and I tried to get around it and the cannon just kept turning right along with it. If I use quick draw on shoot and just aim up and shoot the guy on the top of this. I thought, well why can I just like, you shouldn't be able to turn like this. I used to get, I've been, I've just played so many games over the last couple of years where if there's like an ultra powerful weapon they're like, well we can't let that spin in every direction. That's going to have a limited field of fire. I would break the game if you could just fire a cannon anywhere. And a rapid fire. I was throwing dynamite up on the platform. Like I would throw like four sticks and it would not kill the guy. He's behind a blast shield dude. Made by leprechauns. Leprechauns. Leprechauns. He's behind the leprechauns skin umbrella. He's regenerating his limbs. You think that's an ammo crate, but it's a leprechaun crate. So yeah, so you captured the cannon. You blow up like 32 people all of a sudden because it never needs to reload. And the funny thing is that then you find out clay gets captured. Yeah, and they're like, well we're fucked because they know exactly where they are. They're going to send 30 guys here. I know and the funny part is that you decide to attack, but when you go to the town and attack, the hilarious part of it is that like port is like when you move up the cannon. I like how there resistance is you and three other guys. And it's funny that port takes like forever to move that cannon, but that fucker was having no trouble spinning that thing. That's what I'm saying. Like all of a sudden the cannon just becomes like this 300 pound thing that he's like. That's what happened to me. I like invading empire though. That was fun. Makes it hard to walk. So when you run into empire, it's like the point where the combat, god damn you guys, is where I really felt like the combat, that was the most fun I've had with the combat because at that point I had the volcano shooter or whatever, which is like the 10 fucking round. Right. That's what everybody's at that point. Yeah. You get it off the roof. And I totally just, I'd run into the middle of the street with a bunch of dudes and quick draw and like take out six of them and then and then it run out and I'd just start capping dudes left and right and reload and cap more. Yeah. That's the point where it feels like the decisions they made with the combat were good because it makes it really fast paced and you feel powerful and agile and having a bunch of ambushes in the town like that worked really well for a Western feel. Yeah. Because I mean empires the most done up town you go into. Yeah. And like dudes breaking the window in the saloon to shoot rifles outside and running in and knifing the fuck out of them. Well hatcheting them at this point. See I'm still using a knife. I know I got the hatchet. Oh yeah. Just got to start making you an equipment. It does more damage. Yep. And it's longer range. Yep. And you can buy hatchet upgrades from the Indian salesmen trades person. Ah. Must be. Must be. You have to find the leprechaun trader though to get your budget thrown. I like how the super passage is through the Chinese. Tyler is going to go home and just like look so hard for that leprechaun. I looked over YouTube and I couldn't find it. I went to every gold patch. Oh. Tyler. So well played. I'm too. This is the first time like during this invasion that I saw a Chinese person holding a gun and pointing it at me. Yeah. There are there are always to like Tyler said though an empire there's always a Chinese person with a gun at some point shooting and that's shooting to someone. Well yeah because the gun fights always come out of the Chinese laundry for some reason and I don't know why that is. Maybe that's where the Chinese people all play poker. I feel like there's a border and empire like between like the Chinese settlers and like the white town settlers and when they run into each other hilarity ensues. Hilarity isn't gun fights. Yeah. I just you like whenever I run through empire I always skip that part and I hear as I pass it in the back of my surrounded channel you drop it and then gunshot. Yeah. So you make it through town square capping dudes left and right. One of my resistance people actually got set on fire and ran through the streets screaming. That's a good sound. And then I shot him to put him out of his misery. Scalp. Damn you and you're scalping. It'd be burnt. You wouldn't you couldn't have anything to grab on to? Nah it's just an extra special looking one. Cajun scalp. Bye. He's scalping. God. Where does it smell so bad in here? Sorry. What is that hat made out of? I imagine Colton putting him on at night when he thinks about them. This was a good kill. He wears something like yarmulc. That's the only way to attract leprechauns. So you get the cannon into town square and everyone in town decides that it would be a good idea to run toward you down the middle of the bridge. Where there's a cannon. Um. They never has to reload. Yeah exactly. That is a magic cannon. Yeah. All the cannons in this game are magic. Yep. As far as reloadability. Yep. But then how do you get into the secret passage? You run through the Chinese laundry. Yeah. I'll go into the Chinese laundry. You destroy like 18 wagons full of people. And then you go down to the Chinese laundry, work your way through some tunnels and you find Clay having his fucking teeth ripped out of his mouth. But yeah. Yeah. Yep. And it kind of shows it. Yeah. Even though the animations jank the sounds enough to like make you cringe. Oh yeah. Well there's people speculating in the comments and I happen to agree with them that this is using a modified version of the Tony Hawk engine. So. I can believe that. I mean it makes sense. They're their hand like some of the characters. Hands. They don't really fucked up. You did a fucking 360 flip on that guy's tooth. They're all club-fisted. They were leprechauns in Tony Hawk. Were there? I don't know. I wouldn't doubt it. Probably one of those Bama Jr. ones. So anyways. So you find Clay and you free him and Clay has that emotional moment where he's like Colton. I can't hold my gun. Yeah. That's what I thought. Scout them. That's all right Clay. You run back to that tunnel and I'll meet you. I'm going to go gun down 75 people. Yeah. Exactly. You got this. I'm holding it for me. Shake it for Nicole. He's heading to Port. So you go in and you get into the saloon. And what I liked is that all of a sudden all those oil lamps when you get in the saloon become shootable. Yeah. Well they did in a in a in dodge tutor. It's never noticed. Yeah. You didn't notice that's why everything was on fire was people would shoot oil lamps. You could shoot them and light people on fire. They were definitely like guys running around screaming on fire in the top level of the saloon. I tried firing them and like there is I swear I landed a couple of them directly on who do and he never. I don't think they're really I don't think who can catch on fire. I think it's mainly just as his do you as his magic. He's a leprechaun. Well he. Now we don't. The trick is a is a leprechaun but if you look at his eyes he has been drinking a lot of leprechaun blood. So that's why he has this weird blue eyes like that. It's a sign of leprechaun drinking anyways so yeah as far as I know when you're fighting I think we have raped the leprechaun when you're fighting who do I don't think the guys stop coming right because eventually I know they do I just kind of ran past the game they they stop coming after you kill enough of them oh see I just ran past him trigger cut scene that actually took me a couple tries because the first time I had the bright idea of running up to who do to melee him and he took out his sword and fucking cut me down in one hit. Oh my god that's right bosses have one hit and fucking melee kills in this game. Well they don't want you to take the easy rat out they want you to take the easy rat out of quick trying him yeah that's all we did skip is talking about you actually get back story as far as what happened with Magruder and in a and clay and Ned why are you looking at me like do you have the memory of a fucking three year old now I remember it I'm just saying who cares because I remembered because that brought in to play the whole Magruder chopping off some dude's head with the sword but chopped off the doctor yeah of white doctors. Oh yeah yeah and then they massacre and he gets his. Basically Magruder wanted the cross because he was trying to find a lost city of gold. So to fund the Confederacy to fund the Confederacy yeah but after the war was over he still wanted it just because it was fucking city of gold. And because he lost an honor. Yeah. No it's Magruder he also looks like a solid snake boss or you know he kind of looks like across from like Big Boss and like he looked really fabulous in that big boss kind of looks like it was a big boss. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which and and Tobias Buckner from Turat actually it's a bias buckner is the guy who is kind of like a Confederacy guys and angry like pre-industrial like Colonel Sanders to buy us buckner to buy us buckner might as well be in that game really yeah you find you find a guy that's like to buy us buckner anyway anyways so yeah Magruder's got a Magruder's hunt in the city of gold and he thinks he killed Ned because in that same thing where he cuts a heads head off. He fires a heads head and chunks fly off so yeah but I don't kill him cuz Ned's a tough old. He probably just crazy. He's a cussin man that Ned. He probably just grazed his face and just added plus ten to grizzle. Shit dude. It ricocheted off his beard. Yes. Exactly. Yeah you know in that part where that cutscene where he shoots the Indian in the head is pretty brutal too. Yeah. Because the Indian just like does that thing that where like he just sees us up and falls backwards just like a real person would. I know because I've done it. Exactly. That was kind of where if I wondered if that's where that was going. So anyways. Magruder! So you roll up in there and you shoot up who do a bunch. He heads upstairs and that bitch begs for his life. Yeah. You act like you're gonna give it to him. No you don't. You kick him your fucking pistol because you don't want to kill an empty handed person. Which I you know I respect I respect him for that. That's so cold we'll murder every buffalo on the plains but that guy I better have a gun in this high water. I would have hit him personally I would have just shot him in cold blood. I ain't gonna give him a gun. The chance that he shoot me back and then he'll scout him. I would have shot him a bunch and then I would have put a gun in his hand and then like he was totally armed still. Still took him down. Also like kicking him the gun is kind of like the trigger to say it's okay to shit your pants now. So you get information from him you realize that what what Magruder wanted was in the safe that was on the steamboat that's now under 10 feet of water or whatever. And so now the goal is to go and get soapy. Yeah. Soapy is a legendary safe cracker. So you kill you you finally shoot hudu and kill him and he falls out of the window of the second story and then from then on hudu's body is sitting on display an empire. Which is hilarious. Steve from the comments says I love my little hudu trophy sitting in the empire town square. Gives me the warm and fuzzy like when I got good grades my parents gave me $50. I keep saying to myself every time I see him standing there yeah I did that. Make sure you keep the leprechauns away from them. And then David B says the first thing I did was shoot his head off. They like cats. They eat their face. Wait wait. David B said what? You couldn't hear what I was saying because they keep derailing. Enough with the leprechaun jokes. Leprechauns are like a weird makes between like fucking cats in the chupacabra. As I was saying the David B says the first thing he did was shoot hudu's head off. You can actually shoot hudu's head off and his head body's head off. Then if you go back there's a respawn and you shoot it off again. I have no idea. It'd be awesome if we're on the ground and you found little kids playing soccer with it. So basically that's what we're supposed to have played up to. But I think for the next one is finish it. Finish it. Because at this point. Finish the goddamn game. It's actually not that long. Where it's over at this point. So are we going to do a two week break between this one and the next one? Probs. Okay. So that's good actually. You're playing a two week break doesn't that put us at E3 time? No. It's the right before right? Oh right. Well either way we're going to take a break for E3 no matter what. Yeah. Which is good because actually that gives me a chance to tell you guys that we're in contact with the people at NeverSoft and they would love to hear what you guys' questions are about the game and what your feedback was more so than we're talking about on the podcast actually. So general questions. Put those in the comments. So or email me. Yeah just put them in the comments. Or email me dickhead. Or email Arthur. Unless you want to know I actually only want my inbox spammed with either rebel FM mail or questions about the lore of the leper cons me and Tyler have been describing. So that's yeah either. Just spam him just about. Trust money@gmail.com or Tyler turn@gmail.com. Only leper con questions. Only leper con questions. Please spam them with anything you can think of. So if you have questions for the NeverSoft guys try to get them in. Sorry. Anthony had to take his own microphone away. I'm going to pee on you while you're sleeping tonight. When you wake up and realize that you're covered in twists and freak out I'm going to say I heard a leper con jingling around. Oh man. All right. Do they jangle? They jangle. That one did. He cradled his balls while he was doing it. So I think I think we're done but yeah put up those questions for NeverSoft. So we'll get those and hopefully we'll be able to get associate producer maybe even a designer from the game. I'm actually sure it was the head producer who contacted me. That could be pretty interesting if maybe we can ask their questions over a phone or maybe we'll just do a VE. We'll probably do a Skype thing and put it in with the last one. It's spicy. So yeah. We'll have something going on with that. So yeah play to the end of the game, do all the side missions. Enjoy yourself. It's in Wyoming. I'm going to do a VE. I'm going to do a VE. I'm going to do a VE. I'm going to do a VE. I'm going to do a VE. I'm going to do a VE. I'm going to do a VE.