Rebel FM
Rebel FM - Episode 15 - 04/25/09
Hey look, it’s episode 15! This week, it’s Anthony Gallegos, Tyler Barber, and I (Arthur Gies) talk about the logistics of podcast production, world travels, new DLC for Left 4 Dead and Fallout 3, Irish race car drivers, how parents view games and more! As always, remember to subscribe, digg, and review on Itunes.
Midget handjob!
P.S. I apologize for the bad audio quality from about 5:00 to 22:00; Chuf was hopped up on goofballs and fucked up the levels. It gets better, I swear.
You are now in possession of the rebel captain, Vogue. Welcome to episode something of Rebel FM, it's like 15. So you're doing that backwards, it's supposed to be that we skip episode 13 and make that 14. Ah whatever, this show has been full of plenty of bad luck from time to time, so it's fine. Let's tell you how podcastful you are. I'm Anthony, a guy who goes to a former editor at OneUp, now an editor, associate editor at GameSpy. I'm also here with Arthur Geese, who is overlord of EatSleepGame.com, and then a freelancer Tyler Barber is also with us. At this point, Tyler is basically regular. I mean, he really is. And Tyler is reliable. And if you don't like his voice, then you can eat a pile of shit. My voice, my voice, hello. So Tyler is here with us. We were supposed to have the ever elusive Robert Ashley, but that guy, the problem with the world is that there's an economy that sucks and Robert Ashley is having to do a lot of work and a life will always take time. So either way, one way or another, Robert's not here, it sucks. I thought that we would start off by giving people a rundown of how podcasts and websites that have paid staff go and how podcasts and other sites go. I'm just saying, normally, you know, it's like you set it up and if they're being paid, it's one thing. But with us, it's kind of like we're relying on people's goodwill to make sure they have time set aside. And so, you know, it's really hard to get people to commit to coming out to the East Bay where we live. And I mean, talking to people like shows on certain popular websites also have problems with people saying at the last second, I can't do it, but they also have the luxury of a large pool of people that are paid to be in that building that they can say, "Oh, you should be on the podcast this week. Even if that doesn't necessarily work out well, it still happens." Sorry, I was moving, Arthur's mic a little bit. See, you move my mic and my levels are always the best no matter what. They are, but it was just that because the mic was actually to the side of your face, it was having a hard time catching it. Got it. So a little bit to angles is a little bit better. So what I'm saying is that there are difficulties unique to a small website podcast. There are reasons that you see so many small podcasts start and then burn out within like 10 episodes because it's kind of a pain in the ass to do the podcast. And that's not a complaint because we all really like doing it. It's just sort of a reality. And so every week when we say, "Oh, well, this happened and I'm sorry. I don't like it sounding like we're making excuses, even when we are making excuses." No, I mean, the fact of the matter is that this week it's like I was out of town in Seattle. Yeah. Well, it started with me leaving for London on Saturday and not getting back till Tuesday. Right. And then I was out of town from Wednesday morning till like last night at 11 p.m. So, I mean, the reality of it is that pre-E3 events and that sort of business, they do get in the way quite a bit. So that's just the cold harsh reality of it. I'm sorry that I'm a liar so often it's not because I want to be. It's just that fate conspires against us. I'm saying fuck fate in the court. Yeah, and Miguel couldn't make it tonight either. Hopefully we'll actually be able to get people to come out, but we couldn't put off doing a show any longer. That was basically what it came down to. We wanted to do a show and it's becoming really tedious not to be able to do it. So here we are. It's just the three of us doing the podcast. Not counting the cats. Talking about now we're going to talk about some games we've been playing. Try to think if there was anything that I haven't talked about, it was because I was embargoed or anything like that. I mean, I can talk about Saboteur since my preview just went up for that at GameSpy. I saw that a couple of weeks back. I didn't actually get to play. It was a hands-off demo. It's going to be a lot of that going around this week. But it is the next game from Pandemic, the guys that made mercenaries. So are you a Scottish guy? Yes, so you are an Irish man, actually. I'm sorry for any listeners in the UK, I don't need to mix up Scots and Irish. Yeah, I played Saboteur. I didn't play. I watched. So yeah, you're an Irish race car driver. So this is based off a real person named William Grover Williams. And that was his real name. He was a Frenchman who drove race cars for real. He won the French grand jury two years in a row against even once against his rival, which was this German driver, former Mercedes. And so the games loosely based off William Grover Williams and who, in real life, after the occupation started, fled to the UK and then was put into this special British program where he was dropped back into France and then was seated. So he started, he along with others, started the French resistance. And he was eventually arrested and killed in the concentration camp. So that's how the real guy died. But... Oh, but that's fine with the game. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know. So in this game he plays as a race car driver as well. And your nemesis, like your German nemesis in the game, even, is the race car driver. Oh, wow. Race car driver. So he is actually like a boss, I think at some point in the game. Like he is a Nazi hardcore. I don't know if that's what the real guy is. It's hard. You have to jump up. Okay. So immediately when you say that, to me, it sort of makes me, it brings to the question how gamey is saboteur. It's very... Like... It's still like the guys that made mercenaries. So... Okay. Yeah, they're trying to tell a more serious story. Like, when you're walking around the streets, and it's like the German occupation, and, you know, fucked up shit happens, like you'll be walking down the street and people will be asked to pull out their papers. They won't have them. They'll be executed. Like, stuff will happen like that. But it's still very much like... It's trying to tell a serious story, but at the same time, yeah, your guy will roll into an area where there's like 40 Germans and like, you know, causes ridiculous explosions and murder. A hundred guys by himself and that sort of thing. And they got the whole like, Assassin's Creed vibe going on where you can like, scale buildings really well. And stuff really easily. It's like, really natural looking. If recreated for France, actually, it really amazingly well. I mean, it's not like an exact recreation, but the engine they've made actually makes buildings and stuff look fairly unique. It doesn't look like you're just going through like, such a bland city. They've done a really good job. I think they're probably using some more tech to what they use to mercenaries, too. Not really, they built the engine completely for this game, new. And I think that part of that, the reason that they did that is because they're hoping to sell it. So, because these are quite a while explaining to me the tech behind it. And they had like, a really catchy name for it and all that, so I'm sure they want to sell it as middleware. I mean, Canada, I mean, pandemic is owned by EA. Yeah, so maybe EA wants to sell it as middleware, you know what I mean? Or maybe EA wants their own middleware. But yeah, the game looks pretty cool. I mean, it's got a lot of the mercenaries, actually, which seems fun. And the whole like, the weird vibe they're trying to do with it is like, have you seen where they do what's called the will to fight? That's like their big thing. So the city starts off black and white in any area that's oppressed, is black and white, but then once you do enough saboteur work in the area, it'll become colorful again. So there'll be like, literally like, we're, like, transitions were like halfway across the river, it'll go from colored to black and white. And every time there's like something sexual happens, the color returns. Yeah, exactly. I forget. But yeah. Yeah. It's what? Is it pleasant though? Yeah. Yeah. So it looks a lot like that and yeah, and besides that, the only other thing that's colored in the black and white parts are blood and, of course, and Nazi symbols. So like the banners of bright red, like armed bands are bright red, you know, they like go for the very syncyity effect of that. You know, and that's kind of whatever my preview about was like, the three things that he pointed out that were huge influence on the game was the story of William Grover Williams, or Williams Wilver, William Grover Williams, it's got a word name that guy, uh, syncyity, they said it was a huge influence on their art direction. And then he said, like, Amelie and Jean-Pierre Jeanette movies were big influence because when the color comes back, it's like hyper-real, the colors because they wanted it to be like the like idea you have France and Paris. Like romantic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Like European sort of standoffish. Right. So, yeah. So that was- I was thinking of the French European standoffish. So, yeah, you know, I guess you could make all your like smart ass comments about how the French are like, like not brave and stuff and you could even say that, you know, this guy's an Irishman doing all the shit in France, not even a French person. No. See, that would be if like, is your character- if your character looked at a French villager, like they put up their hands and everything dropped out of their pockets. But in real life, I don't know what I understand William Grover Williams was actually a French person. So, he just fled to the UK. I don't know. I don't know why they decided to make him Irish. I guess. I don't know. It's just interesting to me that there are two- I mean, again, Vell was passing, I think is the other one. Yeah. That's also being published by Southpeak. Yeah. I'm the same. I'm the same that I'm- it's interesting to me that like two games are taking place in the same area that has been very underutilized in games. Yeah. I mean, I think it's cool that they're doing a World War II game that's like, not just about a serviceman on various fronts, you know, but that actually tells the story of the occupied parts. It's not about Americans being awesome and early in saving the day. It's not always Americans. Other Call of Duty games have done polls and Canadians and stuff as well, but yeah, you know. Yeah. It's typically as a serviceman kicking ass, and these are just supposed to be the stories of exceptionally normal people. I guess, you know, they're like still the citizens, exceptional citizens, I guess I should say. So yeah, saboteur, and then besides that, I really am playing like a lot on my own. I'm playing Broken Sword, which is that remake point-and-click adventure game released by Ubisoft or DS. It's actually really awesome. It's like a little LucasArts game. Explain. It's like a- I guess- I don't know if it was called Broken Sword when it was really said ten years ago. It's like a European game originally. It was like a super popular adventure series, and it just shows you how well if LucasArts was willing to put the time in, like a Sam and Max could translate, because the game is fantastic. Translate on what would be those. DS, yeah. Because like, it has like, it uses the top screen for all like the, the like, animations to like, while your character's walking across the room, if the other character in the room starts to talk to you, it might do like, on the top screen, it might show a spatial expression has changed. I guess he's talking to you. Just does that to help the storytelling a lot more, and the DS works perfectly, it's like a point in touch, it's a little like, surface, like you- there's an item that you can use or talk to, you touch it, and then like, two symbols appear in each drag, which one you want to do. And yeah, it's actually a pretty cool story, I guess that's something to do with Knight's Templar and all that too, since that seems to be all the rage these days. So far it's, it's a pretty cool story, it's very mature, it deals with a lot of sexual themes and murder, and I don't know, it's, it's actually a really cool adventure game. I mean, I just think it's going to get totally looked over, because the, the case, if you see the case, it like a game stop, it just has like, broken sword and then has an old stone cross and that's it. It's like a bullshit $15 re-game at the bargain minute, best buy. Yeah, it looks like, it looks like it's just like shovelware, like you look at it, you would have no idea that it's actually this fantastic game in the owners, and I checked it out because I heard John Davis I'm talking about how amazing it was, so. So, so to clarify, we talked before about the difference between something rated mature that's like Ted's ass, blood nuts, and the idea of something mature that's adult and thematically and, and death-wise, is, is it that kind of mature? Yeah, it's like, it's like gory or anything, when you deal with a murder, it's like, you're in a cafe and it gets like bombed by a terrorist and there's like dead bodies in the cafe and your guys. There's children about in the game. And your guys investigating it, but it's not like tongue and teeth, like, yeah, you really had to come in, it's like Jesus, people die, and like the any sexual themes is just like, like someone will like, when you play, because you play as multiple characters, and you'll play as like the girl, she'll have problems with people hitting on her and she'll have to like blow them off or tell them like, you know, hey, fuck off. So, I mean, it, yeah, it's very much an adult style game, I mean, it kind of like the way like the game full throttle was kind of a more mature themes adventure game in a way. And it was still like, had some jokes in it, but it was still more serious, this is kind of that same way. I don't know if we're full throttle. Man, if there's one superstar's game, like, I am okay with people going back and like, you can't really buy it, go pirate and play your PSP or something, like, yeah, full throttle is probably one of my favorites. There's so many things wrong with what you just said right now. Like, go pirate, pirate this piece of copyright on my PSP, and then let me take my PSP and break copyright while I'm hacking it, and then we run pirate software on that. I kind of talked about this in the games by podcast, about how like, at some point it sucks because I would love to support these games by purchasing them again and playing them, but you know, if there's not going to be the option, you know, I mean, get on games, Mike. Eventually, but the LucasArts people fell onto those IPs, like, fucking on the vice grip. So, those are all the real adventure games I really want to play, like, other companies did adventure games where they kind of copied the sound stuff, but like, all the Monkey Island games and the Santa Max game. Yeah, I mean, LucasArts is the LucasArts adventure games are legendary, basically, so. I was fucking around on this website the other day that had a bunch of Sierra games that have been, you know, you just play them in your flash browser, and it was pretty fun, and it's like multiplayer too, like, you could see other people playing it at the same time, but they were like the really old Sierra games, like, King's Quest and Space Quest or, you know, Super-old games. It was fun. I was running around, like, typing a little dialogue bubble saying, you know, like, I was walking around, like, in there. You did when you were younger. Well, let's type shit the bubble and see if it doesn't even work. Right, yeah. Or, sure. Or, sure. Sorry. I just realized, yeah, anyway. So, yeah. What have you guys been playing? Sorry. I really haven't been playing. Right. I mean, there's other stuff that you... I mean, you went... Can you talk about anything you saw in Washington? No. So, that's the thing is, like, I have seen other things, but they're still all waiting is the big problem at the moment. I mean, and so I've been traveling so broken, so it's pretty much been, like, my... You saw Boschok, too. Oh, yeah. I guess I can talk about that now, like, what I saw, but really, we kind of already talked about it. Like, everything you saw in the trailers, you've basically seen everything I've seen. It's just, like, more finite details were made clear, like, you are a... The original Big Daddy, which is why you're not my control. Which is why you're not my control. Which is why you're not my control. And which is why you have the ability to use plasmids. You are the prototype Big Daddy. So... That Big Daddy just kicks through my chest. Let's tone it down. The big thing that they showed us was, you know, you have the ability to either harvest little sisters or adopt them, so now you can get more at them by letting them tap into dead bodies, but randomly when they tap into dead bodies and stuff, it could trigger, like, a huge attack, so you have to defend them. And then on top of that, they give you the extra choice now where you can really exploit them, like, farther than just harvesting, which is you can adopt them, let them do all that shit where they go and harvest it for you, they give it to you, then you still harvest them afterwards. So you, like, use them for a while to harvest and then you still murder them. Totally exploit them for their labor. Yeah. All right. They wanted to take that to another level if people really wanted to be that fucked up. Right. They wanted a pretty icky game territory. So... Meanwhile, they make the little sisters look less scary. Yeah, they did this time, yeah. But... You're going to make them look more like little girls. Yes. So, yeah. Say, I mean, I did see that, but yeah. Really, it's been... No, it would be a great idea if your big daddy, like, ran his hand down the side of her face before you harvested it. Yeah. So, yeah, really, it just has been a wave after wave of hands-off demos lately. I think everyone's saving, they literally are. It's not that they're necessarily afraid to let people go hands-on, it's that they're trying to give people a reason to still come to E3. So they're like, "You know, come to E3 next month, and then you'll get to play it yourself." But for now, you just get to see it. So... We're just so stupid. Let's pay so much money to fly all these journalists out to show them this stuff and then not let them see it so that they'll want to see it again, E3. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, someone else go because it's really all broken swords, pretty much the only game I've actually... So, I went to London for, I guess, now we can talk about it now that basically everyone's talked about already. Bethesda was having an event to show off some stuff and to show the new, the last piece of Fallout DLC, and also to announce that Obsidian are making a Fallout game called Fallout New Vegas. I'll be out next year at some point, theoretically. Which is... I mean, they really didn't say anything about it. That's all... That is the gist of what they said, that it is separate from Fallout 3, that it is being worked on by Obsidian, who in case people weren't aware, are consist of a lot of employees from Interplay, who are the people who created Fallout the first place, and yeah, and that's about it. They spent more time telling people that the embargo had been broken and that they could talk about it immediately. Yeah, I noticed that because then all of a sudden, like, preview started appearing all of a sudden. Yeah. And, like, I was under the impression that shit wasn't gonna go live until, like, after the trip. Yeah, 35 word previews. That's... Because that's what he said. Was that, like, a European press that broke it? Uh, I do believe it was European press that broke it over Twitter. Uh. But to be fair, an American journalist did it over Twitter after the European journalist did before they told us the embargo had been broken. So if they hadn't done it, we would have. So there's no winners in the international theater of journalism. So they brought all you guys all the way out there and they still mention any details of the game whatsoever. They flew us out to London and had us stay at St. Martin's Lane Hotel on Lester Square, which is an incredibly expensive hotel and a very expensive touristy district of London. Oh, so there you go. And on the way over there, I flew in a business class, which basically means I had a cryopod chamber. Nice. To my very own, which is very strange. That was a free upgrade, right? Um, see, they, like... Did you pay for it or not? I didn't know why I didn't pay for anything, no. And then to on the way back, we flew normal, like no one gives a shit about you class. Dude, on Virgin, even the normal don't give a shit about you class is still nice. And I mean, British Airways is a really nice airline. And I mean, I'm sure that for a flight within the UK or Europe, it would have been fine, but for a 10 hour flight, those seats were rough. I think most any seats were rough after 10 hours. No, cryopod. So? Cryopods that turn into beds are fine. Um, so I did get a, I saw a few things. I can't talk about all of it until next week. Um, I did see the new Fallout DLC, which is, I mean, yeah, everyone knows about, like, Fallout DLC. It doesn't seem like big news, but it was, it looked really cool. The, uh, the, the gist of it is, it does away with, uh, the end of the game. Not that it really changes the ending exactly, so much as the ending isn't the end anymore. Right. Um, basically at the end of Fallout 3, you're given, you're basically forced to do something. Yeah. And I mean, there's the illusion of choice, but it ends the same way. Yeah. Um, whereas this adds to that and makes it not an illusion of choice and then has it unfold in such a way that you keep playing. Um, so the, the, the new content that the DLC adds is, uh, if a new quest line that adds on to the, the, the original quest, the main quest line in the original game, um, which I'm, I feel like talking about it is spoiling some of it, um, but it does open up a few new areas. It opens up an Air Force base. It introduces, um, I mean, the, the thing that other than not ending that people wanted was an increase to the level cap, which they're doing, um, the, it's going to take forever for you to go from 20 to 30, because essentially the experience it takes to go from 20 to 20 to 21 is all of the experience you've had to get to level 20, um, new enemies start appearing at level 18, enemy difficulty ramps up, like they're one of the, the new enemies they showed was the goal reaver, which is a, a goal that wears armor and throws grenades and has a ton more hit points. Oh shit. So, uh, and so Pete Hines was playing through this and can you get past them if you have the goal mask? I don't know. Probably. Yeah, probably so. But most people will never find the goal mask unless they were bad. I guess if you're evil, you find the goal mask, but a lot of good characters will never find that because there's no reason to ever go to 10 penny tower unless you're an evil character. Like there's nothing that sends you out that way. If you're not an evil character, true, like, this doesn't spoil anything to say that if, if you destroy megaton, then instead of having megaton as an outpost, then you are given somewhere else to call kind of home a little bit. So did you, so what have you lately actually gotten a chance to physically play? Uh, let's see. The new after dead content came out this week, which I have played and you have not because you were a punk bitch and you're always tired. Well, and I knew I was, I mean, the thing is that the night it came out was, uh, I was flying and I had to wake up at five in the morning to catch a flight. So and I, you know, and like I, like, I guessed I did not sleep like on the flight or anything, unfortunately. Well, this is pretty, it's a pretty short flight. It's like two hours. It's like two hours, but still it. And then I knew like, I had like two hours of my hotel room before the event started. I tried to sleep. Couldn't, it was like, it was just balls all around. So I literally from that day was up from five in the morning till one the next day. So it was, it was pretty rough. Yeah. I don't even have like the cool excuse that I was like, I would drink it until one. It was just us. I ended up coming back to my hotel room at like 10 in fucking watching TV. Yeah. I know the last night I was in London. I definitely like I pushed out and took off early. Shared a cab with Jeff Gursman, kids, we just weren't feeling it at the Boeing alley where they served us American food for some reason. Like hamburgers and shit? Uh, steaks. Mm. But I mean, it's basically like an American style restaurant, like a almost a 50 style restaurant with a bowling alley and we had private lanes and I guess Grandmaster Flash showed up later. Hmm. I just wasn't interested. Yeah. I was tired. I was so tired. That was the, the tone of my trip was always tired. Grandmaster Flash bank. Yeah. Pretty much. Uh, they spent all their money falling people over there. Um, so new Left 4 Dead content, it's nice that it's there and I'm really looking forward to digging into it. Survivor mode is hard. Well, I mean, that's the whole, that's the whole point of it, right? No, but harder than I thought it was going to be hard, like it, cause they, they include all the, the new stuff that they patched in with the PC version a few months ago. Like the, the infected, like changes and the, the nerfs that they made to the humans. It's supposed to be hard though. I mean, I got the whole point of that mode is that it's just like, I mean, it is last as long as you can. So I'm just like, our, our, our record that night was four minutes and like 30 seconds. Yeah, like four and a half minutes and that's not, that's not good. No, I mean, it was routinely over 90 seconds. It was bronze, it was the bronze metal or whatever. I'm just saying that I was under the impression that the best people can only do like 13 minutes or something like that. I think they've like gotten up to like 14 or 15 minutes. Yeah. I'm just saying, I mean, four minutes for your, you know, you guys who are not like a, an organized team. Yeah, no, we need to, we need a more practice because we're definitely rusty. Yeah. So that's good. You know, that's good. I like the fact that you go in there and do that and shit gets bad in like four minutes. And Tyler is, you know, it's shit gets bad right away. Immediately. The, we were prepared in a room and zombies crashed through every wall. That was a bunch of breakable walls. Yeah. So we, we didn't know. Yeah. That's, that makes it even better the first time. Cause eventually when you know all those things, you'll lose that on the thrill of all those first times. You're like, we're good. Yeah. No, we're not. And it totally flipped me out. Like it sent me into Hudson mode for a little while. Yeah. I was just like, I'm aware, man, Jesus play with Tyler, playing with Tyler is a, is an experience. Sure. He's still in the shiny new toy phase of left or dead that we were all in in November. It's like, oh my God, look at all the zombies. We're fucked. Look at all the stuff, shit, shit. And that's where Tyler is. And I totally understand that whereas we're like, okay, pull your shit together. We have to kill that tank. Right. Because we have another tank that's going to spawn in about 15 seconds. And it would be really good if there weren't two of them. Um, yeah, I told, I felt totally green in the presence of all the composure that you guys had. So we tried, um, and then I mean, of course, then we, we decided to jump into a little versus to, to get Tyler in a, and another, another player with us acclimated to the versus. And unfortunately, yeah, we didn't get to play that very much, but that was so fun. I mean, we, we got through three sections out of five on no mercy. Yeah. So, but, um, yeah, I mean, that's, that's three sections out of five when you're playing multiplayer is a lot of time. There's a lot of time. Yeah. Like that's one of the only things that I wish that they, they would introduce like a quick match playlist where it's like, okay, I only want to play this for maybe 15 or 20 minutes. Just pick a map. Whoever wins wins. Yeah. Um, but it's fun. Um, it is, it's sad face that they put a recharge timer on the melee attack for humans, which has been on the PC for a while, but 360 got away with not having it. Now is that just for verses that they put that up there or, you know, it was in survival mode. It was in survival as well. Oh, yeah. That's right. It was. Okay. I mean, I guess it makes sense because you could literally exploit it to where it was like one person shoots one person stands above them to swinging, providing the wall. Right. I'm doing a cabbage patch and so that's cool. So that's cool. I really do want to try it by just punk bitch. Yes. That is, we, I'm glad we could meet, like have a meeting of minds on that. Uh, I am close to done with Chronicles of Riddick, I think. Like I finally got started on Dark Athena and I'm playing through it and I do not dislike it as much as I thought that I would. Like I'm actually enjoying it and haven't reached a point where I feel like it's, it's being too unfair. Right. I do think that they focus too much on gun play, especially for a game where that was never its strength. Um, and I still think that you die way too quickly and there's a lot of trial and error, but that's all like, I say all that and it's also be clear that you're also playing it on the harder. No, I'm not. I'm playing it on normal because I started butcher Bay on hard because I'd played through before and thought, okay, well, I might as well give myself a challenge and then like, an hour and I'm like, fuck, this is really hard and I'm going to stop playing. If I don't turn down the difficulty right now, so okay. Okay. Okay. So I thought you're playing on hard still. No, no, and I don't think I ever will play it on hard. Um, man, that, that game is like, we talk about adult and that game is adult in both juvenile and intensely dark ways that don't just feel gratuitous. They feel deeply disturbing, like, um, so you're on the dark Athena, which is this ship that employs mercenaries and they have these, they, they basically go to planets and they capture people and turn them into drones. Yeah. That if you played the demo, you, you got to feel for the drone soldiers, um, but the demo takes place after you meet these prisoners and stasis cells that they haven't processed yet. Ah. Um, and one of them used to be a crew member or several of them used to be crew members actually, but this is a crew member that wasn't like, quote, unquote, kind of a decent person. This is like, this guy is a fucking human piece of shit and talks at length about how he wants to rape another inmate, like two cells over and how once that he gets out, that's what he's going to do or how he's going to kill her and then rape her. Wow. At length, it like in graphic detail, so he's going to be processed and turned into a drone. I mean, you, you imagine he will at some point. Um, justice, but, uh, are all of this soon to be drones like total jerks or some other more sports? The thing is the, the other characters are sympathetic because the voice acting is so good and the facial animation is so good. Yeah. Do you remember in the darkness, how when people actually spoke at any level of volume, their lip syncing actually kicked in and it looked really good? Uh, I don't think I paid as much attention to that. Um, so in the darkness, if someone was speaking at low volume, like their lips barely moved, but once they're, they raised their voices, like the lip syncing was really good. And this has taken that further since it's the same studio and their, their facial modeling is a lot better, um, especially the character that Lance Henriksen plays. Um, it's literally one of the best like characters I've seen in a game as far as believability and character animation, and I'm, I'm also a sucker for Bishop. So, um, so they're, they're sympathetic. Like you, you run into a little girl that's like in the vents who is the daughter of a, of a prisoner in, in a stasis field and she asked you to find her and so there's this weird balancing act between Riddick being a remorseless killer and you trying to figure out if you're sympathetic for these characters and how far your sympathy for these characters is even in the movies, though, they kind of showed that Riddick had like a saucepot for like maybe female children, like he wouldn't hurt them necessarily, there was like, or, or innocence. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, I mean, I'm like a female child about as innocent as it gets in the scheme of things, I guess. I mean, I've never seen the film. So did they really am up to be like really like a moral or? Yeah, I mean, he, he, he makes him very clear that Riddick is out to serve number one first and foremost, which is him, but there is parts where he does develop minor interpersonal relationships where he looks out for people. Yeah. So. And is punished for them. Yeah. So that's essentially how it works out. Any relationship he develops is one that he's punished for. So it's kind of a bleak outlook on human relationships. But yeah, dark Athena gets, gets more violent and more graphic than butcher Bay was, which is surprising because butcher Bay was pretty intense, butcher Bay is pretty intense, darkness was even more intense. Yeah, but butcher Bay was like, Oz the video game in spots like without the rape. Yeah. That's because no one's going to rape him and he's not going to rape anyone. No. So he's a, I mean, it's implied that he's predatory, but it's never, I mean, he's never done anything sexual like the characters never been taken in any sexual direction. No. But it's, it's good and, and there's more shooting than there should be, but usually there is a puzzle element along with the shooting that makes it more tolerable. Yeah. I mean, even in the darkness, the shooting was like the worst feeling part of it. Everything else was cooler like using your powers was really rad, just like in this one using your melee combat's good, but the shooting always felt kind of weak. Like these companies don't necessarily do shooting the best, but they do first person fucking action. Awesome. First person experience. Yeah. Is, is excellent. Um, but yeah, the, the shooting is, I think maybe it's just because it's, there's a sort of heft and momentum when you're moving around because everything is so physical. Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's a little bit of carry over. Like when you stop moving the stick, there is like a second where it's like, yeah, almost like your weight catching up with you. It's almost over animated for, for that kind of game. Right. Um, and I, and I know that physical is one of those adjectives we're not supposed to use anymore, but there is a, a certain physicality to the first person in games that star breeze makes that almost make it. Maybe it's just too realistic. I feel like we need a buzzer. So every time someone says one of them, even subconsciously, I was like, Hey, I think in this case, it's, it's appropriate. Fine. That's fine. It's just to be funny. If I had it anyway, even if it is a person, I don't think we need another way for you to be a dick. Your natural abilities are already so high as you click the Zippo. It's fantastic. And I give them the truckers horn. So I mean, if you, I, I'm enjoying dark Athena and I think that I'm enjoying it more than I thought it would. I am at the part where apparently it becomes more shooting. Yeah. I mean, it's a game I would like to play. Unfortunately, I'm now finally having to start doing more reviews soon. So I think that you can fit in and it's not very long. Yeah. You know, it's just lately when I've had time to play games at home, I've been playing a lot of WoW. So I'm supposed to do a WoW podcast sometime soon. So I've been prepping myself for that. And they added PEGL to WoW. They did. I know. That's like a, that's like the equivalent of a, what Kathleen's friend called a speed ball, which is where you do cocaine and heroin together. So it's like a, they mixed it together. I could definitely see like a guild's banning you from downloading the PEGL client, like no, cause yeah, cause they're distracted. Yeah. So I have a question about that. Like, I'm, you know, I'm totally WoW ignorant. So how does that work in WoW? You type in slash PEGL and it brings up the game PEGL. So is it in a window like in the corner and you can still play WoW at the same time? I think you can still play at the same time. But the thing is it probably pops up like a, like a big pop up that takes up the majority of the screen. See, I'm surprised you don't. Well, I guess you don't know this yet because you just got back last night. Yeah. It's not like it's not like something that thing comes. It is free. Yeah. Yeah. I assume it just pops up in the center of the screen. It's probably for people like, like, cause there are times in WoW you like 10 minutes before someone's going to get to where you are or something like that, you know, right? And also it's being presented as a way to sort of arbitrate loot disputes as well, like for people that both want the same item, like you can do competitive PEGL maybe. Yeah. I mean, it does present a lot of things, but what I'm saying is as far as raids and stuff goes, like, because there are so many like bosses that are made for like hardcore raiding guilds where literally it, it, it requires voice chat to the point where it's like crazy as shit. It happens. Like there's like one boss in the, in the, like, if you move at certain points, it kills everyone basically. So you'll just have to pay attention. Like you'll see he's casting a spell and then no one can move, like just like that. So I get to see guilds having to ban PEGL because there'll be some asshole who's just like, Oh, what are we doing? I don't think those, I don't think those people would be admitted into the guild just because those things are so dedicated. It's like a fucking part time job. It is like part time job. I know someone that just got in and to get in, he had to, he had to go on raids with him as a non member and they tried him out and they have all those add ons that like at the end of the raid tells you who did the most overall damage. It's like trying to get into a fucking drug organization. It was. And so, and so we like to get into this as a damage output character. He had to make it into like the top 10 in order like at the end of the raid. So they were like, all right, you did good enough. You know what I mean? Like you're, you're in. So intense. There were only a ball or there's only a ball or two in your mouth and he had to fill out an application. So I'm just saying they run a credit check. Yeah. The thing is that the skilled is literally like he told me it's like unlike anything he's ever experienced because like other top like top tiered guilds will go into like a hardcore dungeon and they'll have to beat it over like the course of three days or is his skill to go in there and do it in one sitting like four hours, which is like is pretty ungodly. So I'm just saying, I mean, it's not worth it in my eyes, but I'm just saying this is the kind of thing where I would hear someone talking about this at the next table over in like a restaurant or something and I would just be shaking my head the entire time I heard it. So, I mean, you know, for people that are that into it, I mean, they get, they obviously get more out of it though than just getting items. Like there's like a psychological benefit of like being in power of some group that's so elite to them, you know, it's kind of like maybe being like on the sports team that they were never on and they're so good at it. This is like something they're very good at. So I don't know. That's an appeal that just doesn't, I mean, I've never done all the high end content. I probably never will. I'm content to just do like the like raids you go on for a few quests here and there and by raids, I mean like five man, not 20 and 40 man shit. So I've never been in anything that largely organized ever so in your life, not in every quest I went on a couple big ones like that. So, but Tyler, what have you been playing? I've been playing a lot actually. Just sort of going through some of my old, you know, games I've been wanting to catch up with playing the Fallout 3 DLC, The Pit, but I sort of had to stop because I reached the level 20 and, you know, I don't want to waste my experience. So I'm just going to wait till they let you level up more. I'm trying to remember why, I mean, it comes out on May 5th, so it's not that long. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, okay. And then you've got new perks, like puppies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I'm super excited about that, but I'm actually excited to give Fallout 3 a break for a little while because I downloaded Lost and Damned for GTA 4, which is very good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It just started fucking around with it yesterday for a little while and I really like the emphasis on the action of the missions, like they immediately just throw you into, you know, go shoot the show out of this gang and that's a whole lot of fun and, you know, just loving the cutscenes again, pulling back into the GTA old, you know. So I've been playing that and also checking out some Xbox Live RK games, like I was talking with Anthony a little earlier, how I'm having trouble deciding on if I should get Carcosone or Catan. See, this is where me and him will differ. I would tell you you get Carcosone, but Arthur's a much bigger Catan fan. Just because how many players can Carcosone be? Carcosone can be four. Yeah. But. Catan is actually, is also, I mean. But I mean, basically when I play Catan, I like to play with other people. When I play Carcosone, I almost always just play against the AI. Yeah. So, I mean, Carcosone, the thing about Catan is like, Catan is like just pretty much an equal time investment, but it's like far less complex. It's like, and it's a lot more fun for that because you can play with a lot more people and easy to understand. It's still deep. It's just more accessible. I'm saying it's like it's there's not that many rules you have to know, whereas Carcosone's got a lot of minutiae of things going on, like, man, it's pretty, it takes like a lot of losing to learn how to play that game. Good. So, I mean, but it is still really good. I mean, they're both what, 10 bucks? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe they'll go on sale. Yeah. I mean, the only reason I have Carcosone is didn't they give it away for free? Yes. So yes. Yeah. At one point, they gave it away for free. That's how I got it. I think I have it too. Yeah. Let's remember that. Ah, missed it. You missed it. I also checked out the demo for Crystal Defenders, the Square Enix. The Final Fantasy Tower Defense Game. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, you know, that was pretty fun. It's kind of considering downloading that one, but, uh, it's on we now too. Apparently it came out this week. Oh. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. And the event you want to wave something around in front of your TV instead of move a stick. Right. Yeah. But, um, yeah. And other than that, just playing the Left 4 Dead survival mode with you guys and verses. It's super fun. So fun. I love it. Especially playing as, um, as, you know, as the zombie as the horde. Oh, yeah. We broke your infected cherry. Yeah. Awesome. That's the first time you do that. Or you get to like puke on someone. Right. I mean, it's a trip. So if you've never played verses or if you never played Left 4 Dead, there are these special infected zombies that have the special powers and you're sort of randomly assigned to one. And I was getting assigned to the hunter, it seemed like I had the time. That's pretty common. Yeah. Hunter's the most common. Usually there are two hunters on that up a smoker and a boomer. If not three hunters, sometimes you get that too. And immediately like the thing that seemed, you know, the first thing I did was like, you know, I just jumped and like he leaped in the area like really, really high. And I was like, okay, that's really badass. And like, you know, I could tell that I was really fast. And then you see these icons on the side of the building, you know, they're like feet going up the building. And it's like, wow, you can scale up the building so fast. Can I just say something? You know how parents like have children, like people have children and then they teach their children about something that they love and like as their child gets super into it, they just like smile with pride. Like I'm smiling with so much pride right now. Yeah, man. I was loving it, man. I can't get over it. Just how good, you know, how good of a job Valve did of creating a whole different sort of control scheme and combat system for the special infected. Tyler's first time as the tank, he took out the entire opposing team. Nice. Yeah, yeah. That's actually pretty rare. It was a happy accident because I sucked it up. While on fire. Oh, yeah. It's like he got set on fire and he's running away and we're like, no, Tyler, you run toward them. Because a lot of teams can kill you pretty easy. Like it's amazing. Sometimes you're like, I have 5k hit points and you're just like, I did. I think they upped the tank hit points in the new DLC. Right? Because they did hit the PC version and they never did it with 360. So that was included. But yeah. Yes, very nice. And I tried to check out company of heroes before we recorded today. They're technical difficulties. Yeah. Well, it's just I've been played in like a month and there's like been like five packs. You know what? There's no excuse though. I mean, the patching system for that game is balls. They actually, but the funny thing is that as a case, I downloaded the first two patches and it did suck. And then the third patch was a two meg patch that was a downloader, which makes it easy. Because now they've-- So you had to patch up to a downloader? I had to patch up to a downloader and now the downloader does peer to peer. So it's super fast. So it's like, it's like, yes, now like 20,000 patches later, relic is finally made it to now where it's peer to peer. One over peer to peer. It's not that that's annoying. It's the individual install of every patch. Right. But the downloader also recorded three patch downloaded all three patches at once and installed them one after the other. So it was like, yes, but it sucks that you're right, that it took this long to get to that. That's another reason to buy that fucking game on Steam. So yeah, yeah, I didn't. So yeah, we'll get your company heroes. Yeah, man. I'm so interested in that game. I actually went on YouTube searching for like commentary videos and actually found some good ones. Ah, man. I wish I could go on gamevideos.com. You can find a video of when Chuff and Sean Elliott beat relic. It's true. I think those videos are up there. They're extremely edited, they're just like highlight videos because the matches were like an hour piece. Who wants to watch you playing Ko for an hour? Don't answer that audience. There are plenty of people that would because the replay files are so small. So. Anyways, is that everything that we've been playing for now? Yeah, I think that'll do it for the first second. We're going to take a break and then come back with some comments and talk about how your parents, you're gaming. Word. Me. Bring back those girl days. Nothing feels right. Nothing ever goes my way. I threw my future away. Now we'll walk alone out here in the cold. Wandering us straight. Where's my future? I couldn't get it all. You'd expect the same now with you. Wouldn't you? Okay, so we're back and I only partially know the topic so I'm going to let Arthur kick it off. I mean, I know the topic but you have it down to the wording, right? Well, no, I mean, there's lots of talk about bringing parents into, like bringing older people into games again or like expanding audiences for gaming, but I mean, for most of us, we were first exposed to games through our parents, they were like the gatekeepers to our gaming habits. Yeah. So I wanted to know what experiences people had had with their parents in gaming. Yeah, I mean, I actually thought about giving my dad that spare 360 ahead of my mom. I think it's more when you were a kid. I know, I'm just saying that was me thinking about reversing the roles at this point, because my dad always talks about it, but he's too lazy to actually go out and get himself something, which is why I bought him a DS for Christmas, but yeah, when I was a kid, my mom and dad played a lot of games though. And then right after Atari, they stopped, but uh, what was that? I don't know. Probably when I was like five, so maybe like they stopped around like 1987, it was like when they really stopped playing games, but for a long time, my mom used to be like extremely addicted to Miss Pacman on her Atari, like, oh, wow, she'd call her mom at like, I mean, her friend at like 1 a.m. to tell her that she had gotten an X score. So we had it in our garage. My mom would just sit in the garage for hours playing Miss Pacman. I don't even remember that. My brother says that that's how it went though, but I can remember growing up, my parents playing a lot of like a missile command and stuff like, like, uh, we had a strawberry short cake game as well for Atari, and I can basically, those are the two that stick out in my mind that my parents played a ton of, but really, yeah, my parents kind of, I mean, they occasionally tried Nintendo games and stuff like that, but by the time Nintendo came around, they were really done at that point, so my parents were really just Atari generation people. So they didn't even get into Nintendo stuff? No, I mean, uh, they would try and play occasionally, but I don't know. Once they went past that initial button, it slops them. Right, no, it was more just like they would just get annoyed. I mean, I guess my dad sometimes still played things like X-Wing for PC. He still occasionally dabbled in some PC games, um, but yeah, I mean, even by Nintendo generation, my parents were kind of just over it for whatever reason, I don't know. Atari stuff was there, but maybe it was just that by that time they got so much into real life. I don't know. That was a good question. I'll have to actually ask them that while they stop playing video games. What do I get if you could have asked them that before we recorded? Yeah, but in the scheme of things, I just, I guess I kind of misunderstood their question. I kind of thought it was more about our experiences with our parents and gaming, like, in general, because like, I have some times when my parents were like, "Why do you play so much goddamn video games?" Well, I mean, what did... Okay, so what did they think? The way I actually phrased the question is, what did your parents and other adults think of video games? Yeah, okay. It's that I have plenty of things. I mean, where we came from, it was like, uh, I guess in some way my parents looked at it as a kind of a good thing because it kept me out of trouble, like, in the sense that I didn't go out and get a girl pregnant or do drugs, but at the same time, it didn't keep me out of trouble in the sense that we did a lot of, like, breaking into abandoned buildings and stuff like that. Not because of video games. No, I'm just saying that, you know, I'm just saying my parents had this idea that somehow video games were keeping me out of trouble when really they were keeping me out of, like, maybe the trouble that people associated... They're keeping you out of girls. Working with, like, doing social activities, yeah, that a lot of teenagers do, but it didn't keep me out of me and my friends getting fucking bored living in a small town and going and finding ways to do dumb shit. But, uh, yeah, I mean, I guess my parents looked at it as a mostly good thing as long as it didn't become, like, I don't know, like, it bothered them when I played past a certain time. 'Til the day I moved out, which is why Everquest was probably the one that posed the biggest problem with my parents. Everquest is the only game I can distinctly remember my parents telling me to stop playing. Like, like, it would be, like, ten o'clock at night, my mom'd be like, "You need to go to bed." And I'd be like, "Okay." And I'd go to my room and she'd go to bed, and then I would, like, silence our 56K modem so that it wouldn't make sound while signing on so that I could go and play Everquest some more while they were asleep. And sometimes she would wake up at, like, 1 a.m., go to the bathroom and see me in there and she'd be like, "What the fuck?" I told you. Go to bed. "Busted." So that was, like, the only time I can really remember that, but most of the time, yeah, my parents just viewed it as something I did, and I guess in high school I was a lot more... I played a lot of games, but it was so much more casual in the sense compared to the way it is now, especially since I didn't have money and stuff. I just rented games and played, but in high school I did a lot more hanging out with people because in high school I just had... It was such a small town and I had friends everywhere. So... Yeah, my parents were really supportive, I guess, of games in the scheme of things except Everquest. Were they functional, baby? Was it the games were also functional babysitters, like if your mom and dad were here? Yeah, I guess my parents were gone a lot too, so yeah, I guess it worked pretty well for that and it kept me and my brother and sister from fighting or something sometimes, so... Yeah, I was going through the comments and it seemed like a lot of people in general their experience, you know, seemed like parents are generally supportive, you know, if there's not just a little bit of suspiciousness. I think confusion. Yeah. Also. In a lot of cases where parents don't necessarily, quote unquote, get it. A lot of users would bring up that. It would only cause a problems when they would sort of get sent into nerd rage over gaming, which, you know... From my mom, they bothered her sometimes when she would see games that she felt were excessively violent. That bothered my mom for a long time. My mom, for a very, very long time, not so much anymore, but for a very long time, was convinced that there was a definite connection between... A causal link between games and violence. For real life violence and video game violence. My mom was a little bit worried about that, and I moved into the PS2 generation of graphics and there was actually blood spatter and stuff like that from games, you know. That kind of started getting to her for a while. But my mom also had occasional moments of surprise, conservative nature like that. She wasn't like that at all, but then I remember when we were a little kid we weren't allowed to watch Simpsons. Like, really? Right. In the scheme of things like looking back at my mom now, I'm like, "What the fuck are you thinking?" Married with children was also another show we weren't allowed to watch. A lot of people couldn't watch Married with Children. So. Like, I could, because my parents didn't give a shit, but I knew a lot of kids whose parents would freak out of Married with Children. I still know people who freak out about Married with Children. Yeah. Because it's such a fucked up, dysfunctional, in a realistic way, family. Yeah. But yeah. So yeah, my mom was generally supportive. She only ever freaked out about video game violence a little bit, but nowadays she's even learned through me just educating her that really, she watched a little too much Fox News there for a while or something. Yeah. I remember having to actively argue to my mom or not really argue. I just had to persuade her when I was in the eighth grade and Mortal Kombat II came out for the SNES. I had to persuade her that I can handle violence and sort of things like that in games, but generally my parents were cool with it because I'm the youngest of two other siblings and my brother, who is the oldest, is a huge nerd. When I was born, we already had the Atari and everything set up, so I had to bitch. Sorry. I even remember before I was learned to read, playing Atari games and California games on the Atari, and then we got an NES really early on, and I pulled someone's comment about how they really didn't even know what the NES was. I just thought that was really interesting. Oh, yeah. Let's see. How old is he? Like 14 or something. Well, no. I mean, he was probably like five or something when he was saying when he received it for Christmas. Yeah, so I'll go ahead and read that. This is Snack in the Pants. My parents had an Intellivision before I was born in '82, so I grew up playing Donkey Kong on that with my sister. I'm very sorry because, if I recall correctly, that is a busted-ass version of Donkey Kong. And Donkey Kong busted in all versions as far as I'm concerned. That's a fucking classic. You shut your mouth. That game is a quarter-stealing bitch. Yep. Then when the NES came out, I didn't even know what it was. I just remember waking up that Christmas morning and opening the big box in the corner. You didn't know what it was because he was three fucking years old. Right, yeah. That is right on the cusp of awareness of stuff. I wonder if his parents bought that for him as an excuse to have it for themselves. My parents were pretty excited for me to open it. I was mostly confused by it. I had no idea what it was. My dad showed me how to hook it up and started playing Super Mario Bros. He and my mom soon lost interest as the games became more complicated, but for a while, my mom would make me go play outside while she played Super Mario Bros. 3. Her favorite game until Tetris came along. Wow. But could you imagine how awesome that experience must have been? What is this? It's magical. Or how fucking frustrating that experience was brought me back to another memory through his anecdotes. I guess it isn't true. My mom played games a little bit longer than my dad did because occasionally when my dad was on cruise, there was this family we knew that owned the local storage facility. Like mini storage and it had a house on the property. It occurs to me that people can't see me nod. And so when they would go out of town for two months during the summer, we would live there and take care of their dogs and the storage facility. And yeah, it was like a way for my mom to make extra cash before she was a teacher. And I remember, yeah, my mom was addicted to Dr. Mario during that time. That just reminded me. Yeah, my mom loved fucking Dr. Mario with the passion. So yeah, my mom always got a kick out of puzzle games like Dr. Mario and Tetris. I would get her Tetris for the DS that I bought them, but it's fucking impossible to find. So. Yeah, I've been with you trying to find that game. Yeah, you can get it on eBay, but it's like $50. So. This guy's story reminds me of my experience getting a Nintendo, which I also got like right when it came out, which is 85. I think. Mm hmm. Sorry. Right now my cat looks disgustingly fat from where I'm sitting like I think it's cuz she's sitting at an angle. It's just a new slash. Your cat is pretty fat. I know she's fat, but right now the way she's sitting on Tyler, first of all, which bothers me because she came over, smelled me like she was going to lay down with me, then bailed to go sit with Tyler. I mean, fuck you, fatty. She sits on top of your receiver and like her stomach drapes over it. Yeah. It's great. Oh, I can fit. So my first experiences of the games, I think, were with my cousins, like who had an Atari. My first game experience are also with my cousins who had a Nintendo. I remember playing Empire Strikes Back, which I didn't get very much, but it was way better than fucking ET, which I have played, and I always felt so inferior playing ET because I could never figure it out. So I'd play it for like two or three minutes and then put it down and go play with a speak and spell. But so I think I was four, it was 85. I got a Nintendo for Christmas, and this was when it was like super big and really hard to find. I remember my dad and my uncles on my mom's side and my older cousins came over and they all told me I needed to wait to play it because they had to quote unquote set it up. Setting it up took about eight hours, which involved them testing it to make sure that it was working correctly. It was pretty much the day after Christmas before I got a chance to play my Nintendo. Were they playing gyroscope all day or what? No, no, I think that I never got Rob. I did play through gyromite without the robot, though, which you could do. I remember getting really excited playing smart brothers and my mom and my dad playing smart brothers and my dad being into it and they were generally pretty supportive of it. I think it was established really early on that I was going to be the video game kid because like that's pretty much always what I asked for for birthdays and Christmas. That was me too. Yeah. It took me like two years of Christmas to get a game gear. Yeah, at first they made the mistake of saying, okay, so you only get one game at a time. You won't get another game until you beat this one. And then I beat Super Mario Brothers pretty quickly and they got me Gradius, which I beat pretty quickly. And then it was like, okay, this isn't going to work. This will buying you a new game when you beat the old one thing. Yeah, I remember my dad bringing home Top Gun for Nintendo, but they never really worried about the violence thing because like I was the kid that saw aliens when I was six. Yeah. Yeah, same predator and do you have like an older brother or I am the oldest of four kids and the only boy. So yeah, I think because I was the youngest, my parents were really lax on what I'd. Just whatever fucking, just give him what he wants. Shut him up. Yeah, I had an older brother, so usually if he got to go see the movie like I remember we went and saw Terminator 2 together and I got to go because his friends went, was Terminator 2? I mean, it was an R-aid movie, right? Yes. Very much so. I know, I'm just saying, I'm just saying it surprises me because in the scheme of things, this was like, you know, it's hard to remember, but you know, they didn't check IDs or care. Well, no, they didn't check IDs until like the 90s. That's what I'm saying. When me and my brother went to go see Terminator 2, I can distinctly remember I went with him. They were probably like 13. I was probably like nine or something stupid and I just remember, yeah, we all just showed up and bought our own tickets and went and saw Terminator 2 and for some reason as a total off topic, I remember being terrified like I jumped out of my chair hardcore when that foot came down and crushed the skull in the very beginning. Oh, the Terminator foot comes down and crushes the human skull? I was, I jumped out of my chair and scared me so badly as a little kid. That's amazing. Sorry. Sorry. They are fucking scary, man. When you're a kid. Terminator's. It's over skeletons! Yeah, I'm missing movies like that or Total Recall. I remember. I was another fucking one. I think I saw the Terminator when I was like four or five. So I messed with you. So yeah, I've lost my train of thought because you could totally derail me. Well, again, what does someone else have to say about their growing up gaming? Oh, I want to hear an anecdotal story that will maybe jog around memories. William H says, "Without my mother, I wouldn't be the gamer I am today. She took the games as soon as she bought my older sister her first NES and actually played the system more than my sister did. That's fucking impressive." Yeah, this guy sounds a lot like your mom, Anthony, or not he sounds his situation, sorry. She still has this old notebook which she would use when she gamed. She'd write notes in it and she has an incredibly detailed map of the original Legend of Zelda game with notes where the burnable bushes and dungeons were in it. Jesus fucking Christ. Dude, your mom was like... I never did that. Your mom was like a fact writer before they were fact writers. No kidding. She's like, most of the old games had notes, sections in the back that no one ever used in this lady. I bet only the moms who played the Nintendo games were the ones who used them. That's what Nintendo Power was for when I was a little kid, was to find out shit like that. It was like ghost writing for Nintendo Power. She bought me my first gaming system in SNES when I was far too young to play it and by the time I was older and ready to appreciate it, I had a hefty supply of games to begin with. She is still a gamer well in two or fifties playing her 3/16 Wii. I love her for liking Left 4 Dead almost as much as she does Animal Crossing. Wow. I'm going to say that she's rad even though she likes Animal Crossing more than Left 4 Dead. I want to know if she's a cougar and if so, give her my Twitter feed. It's too much woman for you. No, I have women like that. I have Twitters nowadays ever since Oprah got his Twitter. You laugh but he's right. It is true. I was over at her house last week where she proceeded to berate me for not buying a DSi yet. Wow. That's funny. That's when I say mom shell out for it. Right. I mean, that is the common threat is that growing up, we relied on parents to support our habits. Yeah. I mean, the whole thing with me is actually, you know, all these people that say my mom bought me this man in the end when the Nintendo died, like finally died and games were discounted, I probably still only ever owned like five games. My parents were always super big into renting us games and not buying us games. You guys would probably blow through them too quickly to really justify 50 or an 80 to or 90 dollar investment. And a lot of times it was like someone were terrible because I think I forgot what game must have been that my parents bought and it was fucked up or something. So there was the law laid down in my family that you could not buy a game until you had rented it and determined that you liked it. So that was a that was a law which was only ever broken once, which was broken for Donkey Kong Country. I got day one because I got the Nintendo promotional VHS in the mail randomly. I remember the first game that was ever pre-ordered for me was Super Mario Brothers 2. Man, they even know they did pre-ordered back then. It's because it was huge. It was Super Mario Brothers fucking 2. I mean, yeah, I know. But still I just didn't even think people would do pre-orders. You could like put a reserve down in places like see first thing I ever had to play away back then. The first thing I ever pre-ordered in life ever was Jurassic Park on VHS. I had to be pre-ordered because they were running out everywhere of that movie. I think I pre-ordered the Ninja Turtles movie on VHS. But that was also back in the day when like it was an event when a movie came out because it was like two years after it came out on VHS. I mean, Jurassic Park came out on video pretty quickly. It came out like a close to a year later, but not quite. But I'm just saying most movies, yeah, it was like a two year difference between when it left theater and when you finally got it on VHS. And yeah, if you ever lost the tape, you'd have to pay the video store like $90 because that's how much they paid per copy. Yeah, yeah. And I rented a lot of shit back in the day. Yeah, I know we had a lot of games growing up, but in my experience, I guess, I don't know if my parents did this purposely or not, but it was sort of the way they introduced financial responsibility to me because I liked games so much. Where did it go? They would always sort of phrase it as well, you want these games and you want these systems. You could mow the lawn and get this much for it, do this to your neighbors, mow your neighbors lawn. Yeah. And sort of like set that in motion. I find it really funny how they introduce you to financial responsibility and it's now the hobby that is probably the most responsible for financial irresponsible. My parents did that with me too, but your parents must have paid you like living wages when you did work for them because I know I'm being serious when I say I have very, very, very distinct memories of being a child and my parents saying like you get 50 cents to like rake the backyard. Wow. See, I would get 10 bucks for the front and back. See, I got an allowance of I think it was $10 a week and that meant every day I cleaned dog shit in the backyard, fed the dogs and I took out the trash whenever it was needed. And that was like my standard thing and that was like for 10 bucks a week. And then beyond that, like I said, it was little jobs for like pittances. You got 10 hours in my parents. My parents made me earn every fucking GI Joe, so yeah, getting a game was a good question for me. Yeah. I mean, it's just like goals. I guess. So though I have to admit, I'm pretty financially responsible as an adult. So. So I don't mind me. I was just getting it. I got an awesome text message from a friend of mine right now and you just farted. I don't know if that's... I'm like a shark. But you better check your pants before you leave tonight. I did a burrito challenge earlier and for what people that don't know what the burrito challenge is, it's like a term that Patrick Kleppic invented. I mean, obviously not. I'm sure people have used the words burrito challenge together, but it was just like eating two burritos at the same time. Yeah. I did them. I ate two burritos in the time that it took Jason Bertrand to eat one. The heat already started before I ordered. So. I mean, there's also your typical order at Taco Bell. Right. But that's gotten better. In general, I've gotten better about overeating. This was just one of those. You went from four to three. This is just the one event where people were like, "It can't be done." And I was like, "Bitch, is it can?" So I had to show them. So Devin, in the comments, talks about nerd rage, like you mentioned. I'm 28, so I was able to have just about every major system throughout my formative years and video games were diversions my mother approved of because they were technologically based. Just imagine if someone said that now and it would never happen now. No. My mother was and is intelligent enough to realize that video games and more specifically home consoles were going to be kind of a big deal. Her only major complaint would be the nerd rage that a particularly difficult battle where a level would create. After much because you only however, she later came to understand this rage is after three months or so she was still stuck on eight three of the first Super Mario brothers. That's the level before the final level, right? I believe so. I seem to recall that having mother-horring hammer-brothers at every time. If you don't have a fire flower throughout that level, you were just asked. She wouldn't call herself a gamer today and she shows interest in whatever new title I pick up but wouldn't grab the game up and randomly start playing it. That said, she does have a level 80 PvP discipline hybrid priest that she will occasionally bang through a few eye of the storms when time permits. Well, I'm sorry, a level 80 WoW character is still impressive to me. Maybe it doesn't matter if you've never played a peggle or a casual game. I mean, I understand that WoW is the crossover game quote unquote, but still a fucking, like there's crossing over and there's level 80. Right. That's hard for. Did you see the interview a couple of months ago that Vin Diesel was doing on some show in the UK like he talked about how he played WoW with the host and the host talked about his wife playing WoW more than he did and how she had like a level 80 and he got all super interested and started asking questions and told her to congratulate him, her for him. Wow. Vin Diesel is a nerd. Yeah. Yeah. By all accounts. And more power to him. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that your pants are unzipped. Yeah. They are. I would really appreciate if you handled that. I'm moving my legs about and my nothing's going to pop out. It's like staring into the end of the universe. I prefer not to. Well, then don't stare. What did I say about you if you keep staring? Well, then I'm gay. We're not even going to sugarcoat it. No. That is what you might be gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I can put my balls out for you if that would make you feel better. No, it really wouldn't. We've got a long time without me seeing your balls and I prefer to get straight. I just saw step brothers for the first time last night. Oh, yeah. Kathleen was telling me about that. I just watched that for my first time. Dude, we can't really drop this balls out. They did the best fake ballsack for them just that they show it. Is that better than the ballsack in jackass? Yeah. That's impressive. The one that the dog tries to pull away. Well, it's just so funny because it's so obviously like gigantic and hefty like I have to. So when he like goes like ball, it's like fucking man, having those popped down and you can't break it. It's like batching balls. And cheesecloth. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, sorry. This is from Carl who I think actually sums up an issue that a lot of people ended up running into. My parents knew that I could differentiate between fiction and reality. So they didn't mind what kind of games I played or that I once contained within them. They supported the hobby to a great extent of my early years starting with an NES and then a PS1. It was only in my later teenage years around 16 and 17 that they identified it as a problem because I spent too much time playing games and not out of time doing normal kid things like socializing in meaningful ways. Yeah. I mean, I guess to some extent my parents were kind of worried like when I got older the games were interfering in my life. And I think it was because when my parents got me gaming systems as a child, they assumed that it was a child thing. So it took them a long time to transition to the period where, oh, this is something he's been doing since a child, but games have also evolved as he's gotten older. My parents were still in the mindset of that it is just for children. So. Yeah. And when I went into doing the career that I was looking at, they were very skeptical in that sense at first as well, then when I actually had a salary paying me a decent wage, they were like, I guess it's okay. Yeah. Yeah. So as far as jobs go, I mean, it's pretty, pretty okay. Um, I really hate you. You need to stop doing that on the, on the show. I don't even think it's audible. No. That's the funny part is it doesn't pick up at all in the mind. I think you'd be surprised if it picks up on these mics and there's fucking five of them in the room. Dude. Well, I know all the other ones are turned off when I was in sixth grade. My buddies, I had this like tape recorder, and um, and we had this guy, and of course we made like a fart tape. And it was like this really great recorder where it was always handy and you know, it had batteries in it. So we took it with this. Was it a talk boy? No, no, no. So that seems almost quaint. And now kids would take pictures or like video themselves shitting and put it on YouTube. Yeah. Which we probably would have to in all honestly if we had like camera phones. We were pretty fucking crude, but yeah, we had this fart tape man and oh dude, I mean just fart humor when I was at in sixth, seventh grade, you couldn't get any better than that. Sixth grade dude. When I was in college and I went and visited my friend Joseph in New York City. The day I flew into New York City was the day when they had like that epic power outage like four years ago. Oh yeah, I remember that. For maybe longer. I don't remember how long ago that was now, but yeah, you know they had that power outage in the whole city and it was like 2 a.m. when we flew in and to keep himself entertained since the cell phone had died and the city was going nuts. They were just lighting their farts on fire. And so when I got there, that's what we all did for about another couple hours before we, and we didn't go to sleep, we just stayed up all night lighting our farts on fire talking and then we went to be on the today show. And they weren't guests on the today show, they didn't have a fart lighting on the today show. The latest craze in New York power outage. Katie, did you want to try? Having trouble making your world a turn blue. Yeah, sorry. So, have you guys ever seen those like videos on YouTube of like farts with night vision? Where it's like a woofed of air. I don't know if woofed is a technical turn, but it should be. That's the best description I've ever heard for gas posts passing past your bowel. It's a woofed. And like... You guys are contributing to global warming is what you're doing. And like my neighborhood where I grew up, I'd have to like, our street signs were mostly in Spanish. Oh wow. And yeah. Their street signs in Korean and Chinese are in Korean. Yeah, but they're usually in both. And we had like a new band hall installed where they had like these little practice rooms that were pretty small. So like when we didn't have anything to do in band class, we'd get in these small rooms and play turtle. Alright Tyler. It's like farting in the room and like, you can't leave. Turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle is a great term. Most kids would just get high. They were probably the methane. It's how people kill themselves in cars. Anyways, any other useful comments down there? Luke has something slightly different and a little sadder to say. Neither of them really liked it. Most are sent in voice by my father. I think that's sort of the stereotype at this point that dad didn't like it in mom as a mom as supportive. Although all these comments are turning that on their head. They're a lot of awesome moms in the comments. Yeah. He's never played games and sees them as pointless and couldn't believe how many hours I put into them like they had stolen what should have been my childhood. I wasn't going out and doing things enough. I was always a very social gamer though, so it's not like I was ever accused of not having friends. In fact, most of my gaming was done at friends' houses as we didn't have a PC until I was 12. Um, it distaste towards gaming turned toward, turned to distaste towards PCs at that point as my work socializing TV viewing and gaming all became centralized on a machine. Made it look like I was wasting even more time. That guy must be really angry now. Yeah, he just thinks everyone's like social idiots. Uh, yeah. They softened up a little when I started pulling it apart to upgrade it, et cetera, as I figured I had learned some valuable skills along the way. Have you noticed that for a lot of people in our generation like building computers is replaced working on cars is like a thing that a lot of people know how to do? Yeah, I guess it just depends where you live too. Like in my hometown, there were still plenty of kids that knew how to work on cars because even my high school, my high school is probably still one of the few that had a pretty hefty auto shop class. Like you could go in there and build your fucking trucks and stuff. So ours did not. We had a wood shop. We didn't have an auto shop. Yeah. Well, even in wood shops nowadays, that's that's a dying thing in most high schools. Um, I always saw it as really unfortunate that my father showed no interest to my main hobby. I remember my ex-girlfriend saying she'd completed halo on legendary and co-op with her dad. I was very jealous of that. Is ex-girlfriend? Yes. Oh, man, that's too bad about the ex, but that guy's comment in general was just depressing. Yeah. My ex-girlfriend and my dad, you know, he never loved me, so we never had anything in common. I'm just going to read bits and pieces of some of these other ones. Uh, Richard H says my mother had to go on my original Game Boy Tetris when I was about 14 and forgot to go to bed one night. Whoa. Yeah. I'd wake up the next day and be like, "What the fuck's your problem?" Go to bed. Yeah, that's pretty intense. Um, let's see. I bet you my parents still haven't turned on the case that I bought. I bet your dad probably has. Yeah, maybe. Uh, Dee Pinkie says, "I remember my dad actually telling me that I wanted a Sony PlayStation for Christmas the year they came out." Nice. Yeah. 'Cause he wanted one. Exactly. Um, let's see. My friend Ian's mom used to habitually buy Ian Final Fantasy games for his birthday, and then Ian wasn't even really that into him, so she would display them. Wow. Was she also into the Renfare? We had a Renfarer that would come through our hometown every year, but no, she was not really into it. For some reason, like, I associate Final Fantasy with Renfarer. Final Fantasy with Renfarer is, like, people who would be an awesome way of Renfarer. There's, like, a billion people that we know that would probably be offended with you right now, really. Yeah. Uh, original alcoholic whose idea this question actually was, so good on you, casual alcoholic says, "I still have my games for my parents as best as possible." Yeah, he was all over the comments. You guys always all over the comments. That's all right, though. He has interesting things to say all the time. Yeah. Let's see. We have another one. A lot of people were sharing experiences of having, like, divorced parents and, sort of, gaming experiences and that, but I can't really. Their parents broke up over Asharron's call. I knew. I don't think they got divorced because of video games. I was going to say, I've known a couple of those in my lifetime. Wow. People were, it was like, I knew this girl, whose mom got super into, like, Asharron's call to the point where she started neglecting the family and the husband ended up leaving her eventually. And she ended up dating someone in Asharron's call. I was about to fucking ask son of a bitch. Yeah. She is a date line special. Yes, she was. Um. Was she in the Renfarer? Probably. How are you have a girlfriend, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Definitely. So, take your girlfriend for her. Take your girlfriend for her. Take your girlfriend for her. Yeah. She actually does. She likes the Renfarer. No. Uh, we've been playing... Cheers, sister. We've been slowly making it through a little big planet. And we're pretty far. We're really far, actually, man, but... Through the, the included content, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So does Jody have, uh, friends that play video games as well? No. Fail your... Sorry. I apologize. But yeah, yeah. She actually does. You know, she, she, uh, her, she has actually a really interesting parent story as well. Um, her parents are, like, British and, like, her dad's way into, like, technology tools and stuff. So... I think that something I noticed in a lot of the comments is that a lot of the British parents were super into games because they're such a, like, there's such this pronounced, like, homebrew programming and home computer scene in the UK that wasn't necessarily big over here. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that, and that, that was their big thing to, like, bond over. Like, they would play King's Quest and a few other games, uh, that, that she would mention. And we were actually fucking around with some of those Sierra, uh, multiplayer games or Sierra action games that they just put up and we were sort of playing multiplayer together and just fucking around. Um, Matt Jett says... I don't think I read this one, did I? No. Okay. Uh, Matt Jett says, "My parents have really played games with me when I was growing up, but now that I'm out of the house, my dad is obsessed with his Xbox 360. He basically went from playing no games at all, to beating Resident Evil 5 on hard last week." Whoa. And apparently, maybe he found him punching himself in, in the balls, like, some other day. Uh, and I'm a little bit jealous that he never did any of this while I was actually around. Yeah. Oh. You should tell. You could play co-op. I know. Yeah. I wanted to pull this comment because I was like, "Man, this sounds so awesome. He should have called his dad." You should tell your father this. You should express these feelings to him that you're sad you can't game together. Like, crying with snot running down. No, okay. I thought that was an awesome story, though. With someone taping it. So cool. Um, that's like a good buddy of mine. His mom got into gaming randomly, like, during the PS2 era and was, like, way into, like, the Sly Cooper games and Sky's on him. Play them all the way. It's a good series to get into. Uh, let's see. Filio? Is this guy's name? I hope he didn't misspell Philip. I got my parents didn't pay games any attention. Now I'm in my mid-20s and my mother, who was in her late 50s, enjoys knitting, yelling at neighbors' kids and treating her teacup poodle like an infant, has been buying up DS games left and right. Uh, a lot of people whose parents think that video games are of a waste of time. Um, someone commented on my off-handed usage of the term "good penis." People think that we're trying to see what stupid shit we can make them say. I'm not trying to do that. I don't know if you're trying to do that. No, I just generally say fat penis. Yeah. He said fat penis for as long as I've known it. That just came from, uh, my friend Joe, who I lived with all through college. He just would, like, anytime. This is the same Joe that lives in New York because it's now on the border. No, no, there's a different Joe that's in New York, but Joe lives in LA now. Oh, did Joe go to law school in Jersey? Yeah. Okay. So, but, uh, yeah, I lived with Joe, my friend Joe Castiel through college and anytime it would be, like, that awkward end of the conversation where you're not sure what to say. Like, we lived together, so it wasn't like it was worth saying "bye." And I guess maybe he felt awkward just, like, turning on his heel and leaving the room so he'd always be like, "Alright, fat penis, you walk up." Just like, uh, my friend Tommy was also, his typical one was midget hand job and he'd walk out. That's a good throwaway thing to leave the room on midget hand job. Yeah. There's a, like, hobo jerk down. Yeah. So, are we done with this part or is there any more comments that are worth it? I mean, there are lots more comments. If you haven't gone on the site, if you only listened to the podcast and I went to the comments, there are a lot of comments. Well, obviously I know there are a lot more... I'm just... I was talking to the listeners. I don't give a shit about you. Oh. Dang him. They... Um... There are a lot of really, really great comments on the site. God dang... Um... Does anybody do any of you have any other parent-related game issues? I got reminded by the fact that actually even though while my parents didn't really game my grandpa did, if they're out of my life, he was always into industry that dealt with computers. So he always had the top-of-line computer. And so when I'd go visit him in San Diego, he would always have things like MechWarrior. And I remember he had MechWarrior 3 with the Microsoft Force Feedback joystick. Jesus Christ! How old is your grandpa in that game came out in the 60s? Yeah. And he had MechWarrior 3 with Force Feedback joystick. That's fucking keeping it real. Yeah. And that was back when Force Feedback joysticks were ridiculously expensive. So... Yeah. It was nice. To me the PC was always one of those things where I would have to go to a friend's house to check out. It was a beast of wonder and magic that you never really felt like you were in a corn. Yeah, it really was. Like, I specifically remember befriending this guy that lived down the street for me. That was like, he was probably four years younger than I, but when you're eight years old or... No, I was probably like... You know, I was probably a little older than I. He was like three or four. But the rift was wide between us and he kind of got all my nerves, but he had Wolfenstein. And to me, when I first saw the first person shooter, I was like, "This is it. I want everything first person." You know? So... Hi, yes. Yeah, if you want to get technical, almost everything is in first person, Tyler. Well, I'm in with my video games. Okay. Even movies for a long time, I was like, "Man, I don't want somebody to do a good first person movie." Like, all those bad-ass, like, what's in the box thing? Yeah, that was good. You too? Like, I thought that was really well done. So, every time I see that, I get really excited. Or you have Doom. Doom. The movie. You've seen the movie Doom. No, but apparently, at the end, it's... I think it's worth seeing... I've seen it. It's added to your vocabulary. I've seen it. It's really not necessarily worth seeing. Right. I wish you saw it on HD DVD, so it was very clean. Yeah. It was still very bad. Mm-hmm. Like, there would be parts I was like, "No, we're not really about to see wrestling, aren't we?" That's one of Stan Winston's last movies. That's really depressing. Yeah, there are a lot of people that have gone out on bad notes. I'm gonna do the... Like, the guy that went out... The visual effects, what's the name of the guy that died on cancer. A really acclaimed actor. Oh, really? Yes. And then he went out on fucking Street Fighter. Although his bison wasn't terrible, he was like one of the only watchable parts of that movie. Yeah, exactly. But that's what I'm saying. Did you drag your parents to shitty video game movies growing up? I think I dragged... I think my parents were smart enough to do that we'll be back for you. Things like when we went and watched the original Mortal Kombat. Right. Because if you dragged them in, they might have just left without you. And never come back for me. Exactly. So... Yeah, I think we're gonna take another break. You know, we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. And then we'll come back for some letters. Yes. He did. I didn't say those people or anything like that. I like the fact that he's sort of saying our kind. It makes it sound like they're a street gang. That was the gang that was cut from the Warriors. Yeah. I interpret everything in life as a Warriors street. We don't have colors. We can't see you. Metroid Prime threw up a brick wall when the color code of daily and started showing up. At one point I had to literally memorize the order in which they appear. That is fucking balls and faces. I love survival horror games. We can't stand the inevitable color puzzle. Always dim light. No less. I'm just going to say most people saw those puzzles by randomly moving shit around anyway. So I think you're missing much. I've never been able to play puzzle bubble or bust a move. That is a good point. Most puzzle games screw me over. That's why I love Dr. Mario so much. The primary colors are simple and I can actually play that. And also they're like different shaped little viruses. Right, but you'd still have to be able to know which color you need to put on which virus. That's right. But the worst defender of all are HUD radar screens that use little red, yellow, green blips. That is dildos. It's not enough. They're tiny. Why do they have to be so similar? The amount of times I have charged up my own army in battle for games is embarrassing. Same thing with GTA. Even when I spectate my roommates playing it. Where do I go? The yellow dot. What yellow dot? This one. You mean this green dot? Whatever. Fuck. That's why you need like the equivalent of a friend that is like your support animal. Like he just sits there with you. He's like this is yellow dot. And he points to it. Follow this dot. He's got to help you out. But there are so many dots. Shapes and audio cues help a lot but just plain simplifying the colors do just as well. They can't pair up red, green, orange or blue and purple. That's a problem if they can't pair up red, green. Because those are more or less. Extremely common. It's because they're complementary. Like red and green cause each other to purple. Yeah. Color opposites. Exactly. Just like orange and blue and that shit. Yeah my first encounter. Like a really good friend that I grew up with. You know I went to school with. You know we were in theater together. And he was pointing up at an orange stage light. And he was like whoa look at that light. It looks cool like an onion. I was like like an onion. Onions aren't orange. You know he's like no like purple. Like a purple onion. I was like what are you. You know the lights orange. But he was like oh I'm color. You know he's like no I'm color blind. And I was like oh. Whoa. This is on orange. Like this is purple. At least he found that out. Like before that and you weren't like breaking it to him. No no no no. Shattering. My life has been alive. Oh man. That's like a. That's what people met when they saw that. Like a sunshine man that movie had me in tears. Both type of tears. Both. Happy and sad tears. Happy and sad. Okay. I haven't seen that movie. That's the fire rocket into the sun to restart a movie right. Wait what. Little Miss Sunshine. Oh Little Miss Sunshine. Steve. Steve Carell. No you're talking about Sunshine. Yeah I only heard Sunshine. Fuck that movie. Little Miss Sunshine is. The radest part of Little Miss Sunshine is super freak. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah yeah. I really like that. It was good. He also asked why so many LEDs have to be red green. I never know when my 360 battery is charged or when my DS light is about to go dead. You should because if you bring up the guy that's got a battery meter and when it's about to die it flashes fucking lights like crazy. I conclude this letter by saying Mad World is fantastic. I love that game. It is black and white. Good. Some comments from last week. This is for Tyler. Mark says I've been a big fan of one up FM since its inception and maybe this was an off week but I just wasn't feeling it this week. I'm not feeling your sentence structure repeating week twice within five words of each other. But moving on. Let's not be addicted to people that critique us every time. Even though it's normally me who's an offensive. So I'm going to be an asshole because his following sentence is no offense to Tyler but his voice just annoys me. It's not his fault at all. It just doesn't gel on a podcast. I agree with this guy though. My voice gets on my own nerves. Sorry. Your voice doesn't get on my nerves. We talked about this before I get mistaken for women on the phone all the time. That might be why. I would use that to your advantage. That might be why I'm erect right now. Yeah I think that's why this person probably doesn't like you. Oh god damn. I get funny pants feelings when Tyler talks. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Maybe if you won't want Tyler to call you on Skype. Do we have some, we should do some kind of like voice box on here. I can do some like T-Pain shit. If my voice is too bad. Have you heard auto-tune the news? Did you see that shit? Or auto-tune baby crying? Auto-tune the news is so much better. But auto-tune baby crying sounds almost like the shit you'd hear in a Kanye West sound. Yeah well I'll show you auto-tune the news before you leave tonight. It was pretty fucking amazing. Maybe next episode we'll fuck around and like drop the pitch on my voice. I'll be like DJ screw for me. Too much work. You know it sounded like a girl that smoked a lot of cigarettes. Yeah. I don't mean to say you actually sound like a girl because I think those people are full of shit. Uh let's see. Gringo 2.34 or 2.34. I hate numbers and use their names. But I understand if that's what you want to do. Something about Assassin's Creed 2 that you guys mentioned is that they're trying the Gears of War 2 bigger and better motto. Well I disagree. Having two blades makes perfect sense. It doesn't. Well he brought up the point that you know maybe the person you're trying to assassinate might deflect your first attempt and that you would have a second follow up attempt. I mean that's a good point. I don't think it's going to play out that way. Once they know that you're there using the hand blade is sort of pointless. I mean you had to be like really really sure of yourself in that game to ever use the mini blade. I guess maybe you have hand blades on either hand so that like you can do it in different ways depending on how you're. Depending on how you're embracing the person. You need to puncture both lungs or go for the liver and the heart. Right. I'm just saying it presents you options like if your right hand gets engaged and you can't use it. You can use your left hand to still fuck someone up. I just don't want to ever see like a helicopter scene of the assassin just sort of like spinning in circles and dudes running at him like falling all around like some metal gear shit you know or something. Like Michael Jackson. Yeah. [Music] Keep going. On the other hand I do feel Bioshock is trying to be bigger and better. Now we are a big daddy and we face big sister. Being a big daddy already touches the bigger and better motto. The only thing new I see so far are the combinations of plasmids and weapons. The plasmids have different abilities as they level up. Everything else has been done so far. I mean he expresses skepticism about Bioshock too. Yeah I mean that's fair. I think that's a common sentiment. I mean right now it seems like they're betting pretty heavily on the narrative as being the point of interest for the game. So that should be interesting. Which is a good play. I mean a good place to start and you know I don't know. I think it brings up a good point of just trying to show that you know the Assassin's Creed sequel isn't as much bigger and better as much as I guess the Bioshock 2 sequels going. Right. I just don't like bulleted lists of sequel features that are like now we've got two of this thing we've had one of before. Yeah talking points. That's what they find. It's just marketing speak to market your sequel and I understand the word market is in that sentence but still. Robert Chang emailed us actually. I realize this is completely off topic but would you mind telling me where you guys order Chinese from. He was in the same neighborhood as us and he's been looking for a good place. It does delivery for years. See that's the thing though is that I mean if you're a meat mouth which you probably are. The thing is is that I mean I just want the same meat. Sorry but then I'm just saying if you're if you're not a vegetarian the place we go to which is called La Tasty. So people call vegetarians veggies. Yeah. Does that mean that they call people who eat meat carnies. No it's called meat mouth. So what is your fucking mouth made of vegetable fiber. So anyways if I'm not sure if it's good if you're not vegetarian because it's like it's like not great. The most amazing vegetarian treat but it's good. Yeah it's hard to find fake meat dishes so having a fake meat place that delivers is like a fucking awesome package. It's called La Tasty. La Tasty. That makes me think of an ice cream parlor. That's what I'm saying. You think that that's where you go to buy baked goods. But yeah I mean if you're looking for a place that delivers is good I mean I guess that place is pretty good. They've always treated us really well. They gave us free egg rolls last time. But I would just I would just look on Yelp myself. What was the name of the ice cream truck and peat and peat? I don't know. I think it was mischievous. I've never watched that show. I know that a ton of people are like obsessed with that show title apparently being one of them. It was like it was like the paramount of chut of children. It was ballet. Of children's television. It was too weird for me. If you're looking for good Chinese food and you can just go we recommend golden era. Especially if you're vegetarian. And if you're vegetarian and are looking for some place to take people who eat meat. Golden eras. Yeah they do great meat dishes. It's a good way to break them into the clan. Yeah the service is bad because everyone that works there is members of a very esoteric. Church. I was going to say church. You can say cult. But their food is amazing. Yeah there's another like very sort of cult like vegetarian restaurant in San Francisco. Ananda floor. That's also amazing. It's probably the same religion. No, no. This is more like roots in like India. Like Indian. Fair enough. All the women were sorry. You know. Hot. They're not. And I don't care who's watching. Watching. Is that Justin Timberlake? No that's I want to make love in this club. Are we done? It's going to lose something if you can't see your arms in the air. Are we done? No, let's bring up those comments by that. You just want to talk about black metal in the comments. See those guys man. They brought us more bands. Okay so there was this weird sort of divergent metal conversation in our comments from last podcast. Phil wants to know hold the phone whose brother is in wolves in the throne room. That is Anthony's. That's my brother. My half brother. It's named William Lindsay. Yeah that's I think that's why they were confused because his last name was in Diego's. Yeah he's yeah we should say mom. Different dads. He says my two favorite things coming together. Games and metal. Wolves in the throne room are some of the best black metal around. If he likes games and metals Saints Row 2 has a lot of excellent metal bands on their metal radio station much better than the GTA selection. GTA 4. GTA doesn't really have any metal. No not really. I mean that's okay. Like a lot of metal isn't necessarily good for games. It's surprising they know. Yeah I don't feel like you have to have it. And then people brought up emperor and demo board year and I'm I don't know. Some of those I hadn't heard of and I just I just wanted to bring them up just because they might be interesting. People brought up emperor and demo board year and my dying bride and on thorns I lay. And these are all like bands that that are pretty big in the black metal scene. But the main reason I know about them is I'm reasonably familiar with them and they come because metal aquips makes fun of all that stuff. Like how the Nathan explosion like has a dream where he's working in a burger joint called demo burger. Oh nice. No I never knew that connection. That's great. But yeah that's it for this week. Cool. It's funny that I actually zoned out during the part where we're talking about metal. My brother plays a metal. I just don't know that much about metal. So I forget the name of my brother's band half the time. Well we did just say that you were an inferior human being. So yeah we're out. Was that all the comments I pulled? I feel like not anymore. I think that's all we've got time for. For today. Yes perhaps next time we might cover that. Remember to review the podcast on iTunes if you haven't already. And then where can we find everyone this week? I'm at twitter.com/chuffmoney as well as you can find some of my articles on GameSpynow. Where can they find you out there? Twitter.com/AEGIS-leap-game.com. Again I have laptop reviews showing up on PCworld. Tyler. And you can find me at twitter/drtt. It's spelled like the drink. Like the drink. Alright I guess we're out. We're out. Out. Out. Out. There's nothing for me here. I'm starting to get old. The time just takes on. We've all been taking some. Comforted reputation. And I bet we'll know where to scratch. What I've been into now. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. For the happy. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. [BLANK_AUDIO]