Rebel FM
Rebel FM - Episode 13 - 04/02/2009
It’s been a rough week, but the magic continues as Anthony Gallegos
and me (Arthur Gies) are joined by Area 5’s Matt Chandronait and our
favorite dapper Texan Tyler Barber as we talk about the games we’ve
been playing, GDC meanderings and mumbles, and some letters. Fat penis!
This week’s music is, in order of appearance:
A Day in the Life of a Pool Shark – Idiot Pilot (, )
You Don’t Understand Me – The Raconteurs (, )
Somewhere in Texas – The Raveonettes (, )
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Uh, yeah, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and read a script or any shit like that. We're just going to get into it and start talking about what we've been playing. Uh, joining me this week, I mean, I'm Anthony Gallegos. And Arthur's here as well. We both write for EatSleepGame.com. Also with us is Freelancer, Tyler Barber. Hello. And Area 5's Matt Chandranet. Hello. What is your actual title at Area 5? Actually, I mean, would that be somewhere where it would be like a fucking president? Well, actually, we ran into this problem when we were registering for GDC because they want titles for everything. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like, what is our title is going to be? And so everybody decided to go for a video producer. Except for Rob, who just put, like, producer. Just put producer. Yeah, it's like, well, that left an opening for us because we're like, well, what are you a producer of Rob? Because at least we know what we do. And, uh, but it turned out that one of the GDC guys actually had a good suggestion because since we're all like, well, we don't really know what we are. We all do the same thing. We all help each other out or whatever. So we're just going to be all at the same title. He's all, well, next time you guys should just go with comrade. He's like, yes. That is, that is awesome. No, let's see. Like, you're, you're adult. Like Ryan is a tour. Right. No, I, I, on the LLC paperwork, I'm officially president, but I'm definitely not president of this company. Yeah. So I apologize, advance for both of them will probably be changing quite a bit because, I mean, neither of us are into the, into the whole, I think, leading in with the script or, uh, not that it's a bad thing. It's just that neither of us really do that. And we're not going to sit here and be like, your weekend is now confirmed or anything like that. Not that we're making fun of other podcasts. No, I'm just saying that's what they have. And they have their schtick. It's just that I can't do that. That's not me. So, you know, so, I mean, just to give the rundown, I mean, we'll be talking about what we've been playing, which thankfully is more because we waited until Thursday to record the podcast. Yeah, and I intentionally went out and bought games to play. And the next segment, we'll be talking a little bit about GDC. And then the last segment is letters as usual. And we'll mention more in the last segment about how we'll go forward and who you can contact if you have letters and stuff like that. Exactly. All right. So Tyler, why don't you start us off with what you've been playing? Last week was my introduction to peggle. Nice. I still have yet to have my introduction to peggle. Oh, and it's great. It's just like, you know, it's just like in middle school when you're all sitting around fantasizing, "Man, what's your first time going to be like?" I'm going to have to spend some rebel bucks after this and give to you some fucking Microsoft points. Well, dude. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, we finally, I actually got to play some, some, uh, peggle with Tyler on what he called a mandate. Nice. We had a mandate. No, it was a mandate because it works both ways. It was like he had to play peggle, so it was a mandate, but it was also weird hanging out, so it was a mandate. Oh, that's right or humor. I get it. See what I did there. It was until he explained it. Partly. So, so yeah, so how do you feel about peggle playing by yourself when you first started playing by yourself? Because I imagine, like, everyone I know that's ever tried about themselves is a really skeptical at first because when they first do it, it's kind of like they start shooting a ball and they're like, "What the fuck's the point of this?" Just some stupid game of luck. And then, "Ode to Joy" plays and everything clicks. Everything goes. Well, as anecdotal evidence, I guess the very first round I played, you know, I downloaded the demo and I played one round and I was like, "Okay, buy a full game." I was just like, "I love it." And it was totally an exercise where I just understood that I was totally getting reinforced by the sounds, by the bright colors, by all the pretty stuff, and completely understood how that works, but I was just like, "I love it." I felt like I was giving in to the dark side or something. It's true, it's true. That is one game where I'm going to get personal with y'all. It's like, it's like where when the ball starts bouncing and you hit, like, the plus score thing and you know once you hit the plus score thing, the little bar rises up inside, like, the little blue penises. And as they rise every time it hits a peg, it makes like a slightly high-pitched sound every time and it's like, "Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep." I'm like, "My toes are curling." And I'm like, "Come on, come on!" And then that ball falls down and I'm like, "Ah, that is one game that makes me like..." It's like you're saying. It makes you tense. I've never played a casual game like that that actually makes me tense up all the time. And then "Ode to Joy" is the money shot. Yeah. It's so crazy that it can elicit such a response on people when the only control is aim and press button to shoot. Yeah. I mean, it's based off pachinko, right? But pachinko really is a chance for it. I think pachinko is like, you literally just drop it and then it's after that there's like no aiming really. But what I'm saying is that pachinko is basically a game where it's all a chance with the ball bouncing off bumpers and it's super popular and people get obsessed with it. Right. So just imagine adding the illusion of control. Yeah, well, I mean, if the empeggled there clearly is control, we've proven that the line is mad. There's nothing random and empeggled, believe it or not. Right. I think going on to pachinko just to talk about that is a game. I think that's just a people get into that because it's actually a more entertaining way to lose your money. Yeah. Like then just pulling a slot machine. Right. Actually watching it bounce around. Right. Not for us us Americans. We want something to just watch. No, it's entertaining for me too because when I played through, I'll link at the video games now because when I played Shenmue 2, I got addicted to playing. You just, pachinko, I played pachinko all the time. How did you forget that right away? Right. I actually worked today. Right. And. You had to use your brain power for something. And so, yeah, I mean, like I loved pachinko in that game. I even found a way to exploit it because there was like one pachinko game that was like a dollar bet but it paid a thousand to one. So I would just save, right by it and just play it until I won and then reset. And then, yeah, whatever. Anyways, Shenmue 2. You were saying you were grinding pachinko. For money in that game, yeah, because it was either that or go work at the fucking dock so I could board a hotel. And I was like fuck that, yeah, move boxes. If I were afraid of sailors by the time you have to that part of the game. They have pachinko in the Yakuza games too. I bought Yakuza 2 and I've never played it. I bought it because of you guys talking about it on the one up show. And on the one up show, you guys were all like, it's probably going to be hard to find and I was like, I'm going to go get it now then. Right. So. Well, at some point when you're bored and you have nothing to play, you should play Yakuza 2. That really has not been a problem so far this year. Really? Wow, it totally has been for me. Really? I never have enough. Well, I guess it's because I spend 90% of my time doing, you know, co-op business video. Well, no, but what I mean is like, it hasn't been a problem finding things to play so far this year. Oh, I know what you're saying. Yeah. There's been a time. Like, I mean, there's so much stuff came out at the end of last year and there's been a sudden stuff this year. Yeah, it's going to really feel like we've been that much this year. It's just that. I've been playing catch up a lot. Yeah. I feel like there's been a string of pretty good big releases. Like, Riddick comes out next week. Riddick does come out next week. Oh, I'm still looking forward to that game. Yeah. My game looks so good. Yeah. So, Tyler, what else do you even play besides Peggle? Um, I also played, I've been playing a lot of Bully to sort of catch up with Game Club. And I've been really enjoying that a whole lot as well. And, um, other than that, just Bully and Peggle. Right on. Yeah. Yeah, I've been playing a ton of Peggle as well. And, uh, I just got my friend John to buy it, so now I need to play with him. Cause he's kind of in that phase where he doesn't understand why he bought it. Cause he's playing single player and he's not quite feeling it. Really? Yeah, I think he really needs to try multiplayer. Cause, I don't know, for me it's like, it's like kind of like wow in a way. Like, when I play wow a lot of times, I may not be playing with other people, but it's like a great chat room. And Peggle's kind of like that too. Like, you aren't necessarily really playing with each other. But it's like a great way to just sit there and like participate in something. You can play the ones where you guys share a board, but like the ones where you're just taking turns, taking shots or everyone's doing a shot on their own version of the same board, that one's kind of-- I'll do a shot. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was like me, you, Nick, and Seabake, we're all playing, you know, and after each round, we all, you know, did our shots. We got CR neon penises grow. I don't know Seabake that well, but fuck that guy. He walked our house every round. Yeah, every round. It does sort of make you hate. I play with Kathleen and David Ellis, and David Ellis is a wonderful example of human being, and I wanted him to die in a fire. Yeah, yeah, he told me he's a peggle master. Yeah, I mean, you could say that about David Ellis, but that guy's been stabbed. He'll fucking kill you. Or just get stabbed. I'm saying he's been stabbed. He has been stabbed. Who else here can say that I've been stabbed in prison nonetheless? I've had someone slam an ice pick through a finger and staple me to a desk. In prison? No. Well, okay. In prison. Let me just clarify for a second that David Ellis did not ever go to prison. David Ellis was a prison guard at one point. Just imagine David Ellis with the, like, the big police officer shades slapping a baton. Well, just picture, I mean, David Ellis when he dressed up as the guy from Big Lebowski. What's that guy's name? I think it was name. I mean, the character of a John Goodman. I mean, he was literally amazingly convinced. I don't think there's anyone that smokes enough water in his room to be. It is Walter. Yeah, he had an inmate in his room. He's Walter. There is someone in this room. His water costume was downright amazing. The Guacoma. But besides peggle, I've also been playing, I bought two DS games this week for myself. Nice. I think that was this week. I don't know, you remember now. No, it was last week. No, it was this week. I bought Moon. After hearing Patrick talk about it, you know, Moon is the FPS game made by the same people that made... Demention. Demention, the ward. Shit, really? Yeah, and so the premise is like America has put a Moon base, and then they find an alien, like a doorway into the Moon, and they're not sure what it is, but obviously it wasn't put the right humans, doorway opens, things go wrong. It's Doom. Right. It is very much Doom, but it's extremely competent. And when Patrick, I remember looking at Patrick Weird when he said it runs in 60 frames per second, but it really does. It runs in a frame rate that is actually kind of like, it's kind of like the first time you saw Call of Duty 4 running, and you were like, "It almost looks weird, because it's running in such a high frame rate." This looks the same way, and not only that, but everything has cinematics all the time, and it has voice acting, so anytime you get a telecommunications, they're talking to you and stuff like that. The quality is really good so far. I mean, it's not like the most amazing shooter, but it's like, if you're playing a portable shooter on the go, I mean, it's actually, it's very competent. Is it fun, or are you just consistently impressed with it technically speaking? No, it's not super fun. I mean, if I'm at my house, I'm going to play my home console a lot of times. It's not like good enough to draw it. Like, if I'm at my house, I'm going to choose a console shooter over that. Unlike when I'm at my house, I'll play Phoenix right, you know, just because Phoenix right is, I can't get that on my home console, but it's good. I mean, I look forward to when I actually, like, start commuting to work on BART and have a lot of time to sit there and play it, and I've also been playing GTA, Chinatown Wars. Chinatown Wars? I think that's good. It is actually, that is another game. The production quality, I mean, it's from Rockstar, so maybe that would make sense, but, like, again, it opens up with, like, the full cinematics, and, like, when you first arrive in the city, you're, it does, like, a thing where you can't control, but you're just riding in a car to your destination, and as you're riding in a car, like, it totally has a cinematic quality where, like, you're going through the town and trains are passing by, and it's all, like, in 3D, but it's got, like, that really, it looks like it's, like, a cartoon almost that you're watching. Cool. And it still has everything, like, stealing cars, going through the streets, it has, and it has all, like, the nice things that GTA 4 did, like, the ability to set checkpoints on the map, and then it shows you the best route to drive. That sort of thing. It's, like, nice. It is very well made. And the bad part about it, I agreed with, I think it was Miguel, actually, for games by, that I was reading his review, and he said that the riding was really bad. The riding is really bad. Like, you know how Rockstar usually does a really good job with that? Yeah, they usually do a giant bomb, like, the writing in this is, it's, like, so bad, like, like, it seems like, seems like someone was just, like, insert joke here. I know, like, it just seems so, it is very forced. Like, it is so forced at times it is very painful. That's a bummer. You know, I think it's because they were trying to keep the word counts low, because I know they do the dialogue and sort of dialogue comic bubbles, right? Yeah. It's like, I mean, I'm trying to keep the fonts. That could be. It just came, it's just, I don't know what reason they did it for, but it's, it's just bad. It's not very good so far. I mean, if you stop and think about it, like, like, think to yourself some of GTA 4's dialogue and then, like, think about it written down and how ridiculous it would sound if you weren't reading it aloud. I mean, I guess presentation is a lot of it. But, I mean, so far, it's, besides that, I mean, if you're just playing it to do the GTA 4 thing, like, not only can you still just do, like, the, I'm gonna just hop into the city and randomly drive around and get crazy police things, like, you know, hit a ton of people with my car. But it still has everything. Like, when you go to your house, then you get to, like, do cool things with the DS, like, you know, save your game, check your email, and you check your email through your DS. And it still has, like, the cell phone mechanic from GTA 4 where it's like, you get emails on your phone, you check it, and then, like, even little things, like, certain dumpsters around town, people will leave guns in, so you'll go to the dumpster, and then it'll do, like, I mean, again, we have to, like, clear out the trash to get the gun. I mean, little things like that, where it's, like, actually not that bad, because when I'm playing a DS game, I kind of expect those, and they're not bad to me. And, yeah, I mean, so far, I actually, I really like it, I don't know, right? I think the production value is amazing. And from looking at the videos, they did a really good job with the top-down camera and not making it static, it's very dynamic. Like, if you're backing up your car and stuff, like, the camera angle will shift and sort of turn and pan, so it's not all, it's always this just static, isometric cameraing. No, it changes. Yeah. And I don't know, I thought that was a really good design choice to just sort of help vary up to this. Yeah, I mean, I was actually pissed when I bought it, because it was $35. Had, like, basically, like, you know, like, the "I'm a cool game" tax put on it. No, no. Okay, we call it the square tax. We call it the square tax, normally. Like, every square re-release is, like, $35, but yeah, this time I actually didn't really mind it. I was like, I mean, I don't know how long it is so far, but so far that, yeah, I mean, it is, like, probably one of the best made DS games I've played in a long time. Wow. So, and then I really played much beyond that. I tried to play Turok, and I turned it off after, like, 30 minutes. Really? It's so bad. It's disappointing, because, I mean, we knew about, it got so-so reviews, like, it got seven, it's basically. But we saw it at PAX in 2007, and it was really cool, like, the slice that they showed was really cool, and the guy that showed it was... From the team, and he was really into it, unlike the dude that was the dude from Hayes. Oh, God. Yeah, that was also showed as a game, and he was a douche. Yeah, when all this shit went down with Free Radical, like, I just thought back to all this stuff with Hayes, and like, the lead-up to Hayes, every... I was excited for Hayes, and then it just started on this downward trajectory, and... Right, from that moment with that douche, when I heard everyone got... Some people got laid off, and some didn't, I thought to myself, I hope he did. Yeah, he wasn't even like, "Oh, you don't know how to play the game, he was just, like, busting balls on everything." Yeah, he was like, "Man, are you dumb? Why are you doing that?" And I would just be like, "Really? I'm gonna fucking kill you." Oh, why am I doing that? Because that's what you do in a shooter, asshole. Yeah. Why isn't your frame rate above quality? I've seen that happen too, like, a certain undisclosed person from a certain game company that made Gears of War came around one time, and I remember they were talking to a female employee of ours, like, they had never played a video game before. That was funny. Lovely. That's awesome. He was like, "That's ammo, you should pick it up." You probably know who we're talking about, I'm sure. Yeah. I could not even conjecture. So. They're almost like a used car salesman. So anyways... It's a Turak. So Turak, why isn't Turak good? Do you need to... It is extremely generic. It's poor. I mean, you know how to cut a lot of people complain about that with shooters? But it is like, just very much like, run of the middle. Did you ever play Fire Warrior for PS2? No. That was a more Hammer 40K FPS game. Whoa. I mean, I do. People had a lot of high expectations for it. Yeah, I can imagine. And yeah, that was another one that was just like, boilerplate, like, they had someone to dread like a thing. And then like, "Well, let's take like these five levels from this game and then re-skin it with ours." Rechargeable shields. Guys. Rechargeable shields. So. Yeah, like Turak very much feels like. But the only cool thing that you ever do in Turak is when you do like an execute with your knife. And it does like, it goes like, third person. Okay. Will that make sense? Because that was all they ever showed in the video. Or Sicking Dinosaurs. Sicking Dinosaurs on dudes. Sicking Dinosaurs on dudes. Yeah. It's kind of cool. Yeah. But like the voice acting is bad and like, man, it had some ridiculous graphical pop-in for how not very attractive it looks in a lot of places. That was another, was that a Unreal Engine 3 game? I don't know if it was. It doesn't look good enough to be an Unreal Engine 3 game, I'm going to be honest. And the only saving thing that I liked about it was the, what's the space, there's a voice in it. You know, Captain I do a voice in every game. Romp, Romp, Romp. Really? Yes. Romp, Romp. I like Romp, Romp. I like Romp, Romp. But I'm saying, tell me that that guy, like, he doesn't get like 80 scripts a week, or like 30, man, this guy just said he doesn't want to do voice acting for this game. He thinks he'll be bad for his career. Romp, Romp. Get Romp, Romp. Honestly, though, I mean, you might as well leave out game and say movie, and Romp, Romp is willing to be in anything. Romp, Romp, Romp. I'm sure Romp, Romp is one of those guys that may not get leading roles a lot, but he probably has a fuck ton of money. So once I'm done with Hellboy, I'm going to go shoot mutant chronicles and do 75 voice acting gigs. Yeah. I mean, while he could just sit at home, live in fat off beauty. I mean, he has such a distinct voice. Why not? Yeah, sure. He's just like him and the guy that does the voice of the arbiter and the Navy commercials that dude. I mean, he has such a distinct voice. Keith David. Yeah, I mean, what has Keith David done? Like, the thing? The thing. But besides the thing, was, do you have like a part in like what, like, starting a game or something? They live. No, he was in "They Live." Yeah. Was he? With Rowdy Rowdy Piper. I remember that. I remember seeing him in a movie, though, where he played like someone from the Middle East as well. And I feel like there was a movie where Keith David did that. More than one. I picture him in "The Turbine." And I seem like there was a Keith. Anyways. I can't help you. You know what? It is an awesome movie, though, that people don't know about just to get off topic for a second. And I just gotta remind you. People hate it when we go off topic. How dare you? People don't hate it. Uh, enemy mind. Who here has seen enemy mind? I have. Is that the one? Dennis Quaid. Yeah. Dennis Quaid. Yeah. Dennis Quaid. Yes. That is a fucking excellent movie. Dude. No. No, no. On any land planet. I love how they had to come together in order to figure out how to defend themselves from the meteorite showers. Exactly. Exactly. Not only that, but I just remember being terrified growing up of those like those ant lion creatures. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. I've always found a fascination with ant lions to begin with, but seeing them like on a scale that eats humans, anything that comes out of the ground, or comes out of the water. Anything with a carpus. So. Yeah. That's a fucking fantastic movie. You've not seen it. You've not. You've not seen it. Now it's sort of been recast is almost like an allegory for gay romance, right? What? Because they essentially. No, it's an allegory. Have a child. It's a street up allegory for racism. Yeah. But now it's being now it's being recast because in a lot of ways that sort of the academic comment we're in. But they never. But they never. But they never do it though. Yeah. No. But she's pro creates all by itself. Yeah. That's why it's it's allegory. Yeah. Well, originally though the movie was obviously like about racism and two cultures that feared each other. No, not just racism but like American. Well, culture. It was culture war too. Like these cultures obviously had heard all these missed things but like fake things about one another and just showing that they're anyways, I'm not going to go into what it was really about. And they did like a fairly decent Star Trek episode. They totally ripped it off. But I think that that's a movie people should see and you know what I could I totally see for see like in the next five years of my life, someone will remake that movie. Like you know enemy mine will come out again, but it'll be you know, starring I don't know. There's some kid from high school musical or something. Just wait for the prequel to the thing and then they'll green light that. Right. I didn't mean that. I don't know why I'm going to I mean I guess it was like for some reason I pictured a you know. You thought of key David and then Lou Gossett Jr. just popped into your head. Yeah, because they're both black guys with shaved head you know and and for some reason there was a meant you know it's mental my mental to to train with the tunnel and that's meant. No, I know exactly what you're saying. You're trying to say that I think all black people look the same. That's what you're trying to imply. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Anyways, there were people that thought that are I heard there were people that didn't like our resident evil five talks. We'll talk about that later or not talk about it as a case maybe. I'm just saying well because I was just going to try and derail me so I don't talk about it at all. I just know anybody that has an argument that says we can't talk about racism in games because we are not of the race that is being talked about can eat my ass. That's what I think. With a spoon or a fork because I would never get mad at it. We're really good at debating. I would never get mad at it. I would never get mad. Such salient points. I would never get mad if Matt Arthur and Tyler were all standing around debating you know border issues and and racism against Mexicans and none of them are Mexican. I would not be like you guys don't even fucking know whatever it's like to be. To be fair I will say that if we're just going off whatever anyone can pull out of their ass as far as specification I think I'd have more room to talk about immigration issues coming where I come from. Well all of us living in California. Well yeah but also I mean like I'm I'm from somewhere where like the direct effects of like the border fence are felt every day and where so am I I mean living in the Central Valley. I'm talking about like the people that have died trying to cross the border. And I'm just saying that people what it used to piss me off of living in my little like grocery you know town where like most of the fucking states state and out of state produce comes from. I can't believe you guys are comparing border penises. Pretty amazing. We are. You do this all the time I say that I'm more Mexican than he is by attrition. I'm just saying that where I came from it was actually surprising because people actually weren't as as racist against the border because they were farmers and they were like I get me some cheap labor. So I don't even know how to go back on track after that. So what have you been playing that? Oh I've been playing games actually interestingly enough we we have a guest over Phil Fish who's working on Fez wanted to stay a week after GDC so he's staying with us and we started just popping in a bunch of random games and like we started playing Motorstorm 2. That game is fucking good. That's what I heard I heard. It is really really good. It was really good about the first one and totally improves it doesn't it. Yeah. Welcome to 6 months ago Matt. Dude I know I mean like that I really enjoyed Motorstorm 1 I just never got a chance to play Motorstorm 2 and I'm really glad I did. When did it come out October and November? I think it was November. I think it's to be understood that it got overlooked amongst all the other stuff that was coming out. And it was it's it's a really really good game. Yeah I heard if you wanted a really good racing game it was either that or pure is what I would always say. I think they get unfairly compared a lot just because they're they're both you know off road style but pure is basically a reskinned SSX which is fine because SSX was a great game and pure is a really good game. But if you're just talking about straight up arcade really fast kind of visceral racing then you can't beat Motorstorm I've never played a racing game that's more thrilling in that kind of sense except for maybe the wipe outs you know and podcasts is sponsored by SCE. I know. It's not my fault they have the best arcade racers. So we should talk about what burnout not burnout burnout and what's the other racer that EA puts out? Need to get more speed. Need for speed is excellent that is all I have to say. I haven't played it. Well I can say that like the that Motorstorm 2 the the setting of it helps a lot too because you're on just the craziest fucking tracks and hurt that it's fucking beautiful. It is it's gorgeous it looks like life and one of the reason why we actually went to play it turned up to eleven one of the reasons why we actually wanted to play it is because it was at GDC and Sony's played these games in 3D area and the two game two of the games that they had in 3D were were wipe out HD and Motorstorm 2 that is a good selection. It's an excellent selection in fact wipe out wipe out HD I'm like fuck I'm gonna have to buy a 3d TV at some point because this is this is my goddamn line anyway we'll talk about that when we talk about the GDC stuff but the the other game I've been playing is bowling for game club of course which is really good for which we love and adore you. I know that's why I was like you want pego we'll get you pego. We want pego I haven't played it in a long time and other than that I haven't had a lot of time to play to play much games because you know I we do a video show and we were at GDC for a week which means we're about two weeks behind which you can find that video show at area5.tv yes okay yes we'll do our obligatory plug I would like to plug it more than once why thank you Area 5 TV Area 5 TV I love the design of the site I'm a design snob nice that was that was uh that was actually the square space people they did it I was about to ask if you wanted to make a square space I did I love it oh thank you great wow I love the way the animation goes into it in the intro that way the bars yeah that guy uh Aidan Soto he contacted us while we were still working on the one-up show and he's a brilliant motion designer and offered to do our intro graphics for free for co-op and he did a fucking amazing yeah and that is really fucking awesome guy wow what's his name again let's give him one more shout out Aidan Soto you can find him at AidanSoto.com that's awesome Aidan so like I rules meet my girlfriend and I like we're graphic designers we sat around watching an intro like wow that's really good really and the song is good too yeah the song is so good I have to say though I actually I haven't caught up all the way because I'm a terrible person you don't have to but I also watched uh the episode not just because I was in it because I am not the type of person that actually watches my one-up show segments or co-op is the case indeed right but uh I watched I specifically watched that episode that I was in because of I wanted to know what happened after I left and that that clip with Patrick I was pretty brutal you didn't see what we cut out let's just let's just say that everybody thinks that in that episode with the with the fake commercials that we did that Patrick is wearing jeans shorts he's not he's wearing his girl his girlfriend's skirt and there was some stuff that we shot in that green screens set up over there for vision three some where look over to the butcher up and the butcher's market eh yeah yeah we did not use that in the final episode please tell me that that footage is no no longer exists oh it exists uh to be used for when Patrick goes into politics yeah oh god oh I like a zoomed up gift of that like you really can't tell what it is it's a it's abstracted you know it's just like pairs being which uh weird gifts and stuff there's some gift of there's some picture of me on gaff with my head and a rainbow behind it and I have no idea what it means but it's I think though I think the words that it says on my dick when I come step on my dick when I come what the fuck does that mean we'll talk about it later Nick said it has something to do with some some dog dog thing that started hmm I had to talk about it later what about you Arthur what have you been playing uh well I went to GDC when I come I haven't played that I don't think that's out yet I think it's like it's a it's a community game that's a book if it wasn't it is now speaking which actually a real quick to railing conversation against the community you're derailing you're derailing conversation made the guy the guy that made remote mr I think I'm actually going to be doing an interview with him for one of our future podcast over skype because he contacted me and wanted to do an interview and I was like that would be red oh where is mr I want to find out I want to find out how I want to find out about his beta test I haven't heard of this game remember mr it's like the number one selling game on x and a it's uh because it's essentially a sex toy yeah you just it's you and one other person over xbox live or right there can control the vibrations of the controller and the intensity that's fucking awesome because at three times somebody did tell it of the dildonics which yeah we talked about that a while back and uh yeah that was that was the gist of our conversation right so you have that and you have fucking the video chat going on i'm just saying that's still pretty sad what if i'm like a person that i'm um far away and you know i'm trying to maintain a long distance relationship yeah what about when i go to tokyou game show my girlfriend's still here what about lag did you feel it did you feel it yet you know now you like totally just in your pants and then she keeps going you're like i said stop it's over i've moved on to cigarette time i just don't have anything to add to that then there's going to be digital make me a sandwich what is the xbox live equivalent of rolling over and falling asleep yeah i know right that's it just needs to have a a quick end like n session one button you know what i mean just like well then never call back but yeah all right sorry so you played some fucking games yeah did you play retro game challenge since i bought you i have played retro game challenge well i'll talk about that in a minute uh why i also spent a lot of time at gdc last week i saw a lot more than i got to play i did get a chance to play punch out for we um i don't know if anybody else did actually everyone i know i did not get a chance to play because there was a line but everyone i know that played that said that it was literally like this is it it's back and it's good it is sort of the we it's like it is your your hardcore hope for the way i mean unless you enjoyed mad world and honestly i i've not gone back to mad because i'm not liking it positive news on the we though just because i don't want to forget this and i have a very short term memory is that there was a we system update really recently and it gave you the ability to play games off the s yeah that is awesome especially because the same day that they did the update they also released super punch out so and they released and uh shortly before that was bit trip beat because that's been the biggest thing that's kept me from buying games on we where was that i i didn't want to have to sit there and move shit off an SD card and stuff but just wanted to point that out in case people didn't know does the uh does harmonics and the rock band store work on we or is it all just like it is like they do the weekly the weekly rock band update right yeah i'm in a room with four people who play video games they get stuff no one knows they do they they do they actually just got the pearl jam stuff yeah i believe there's even like rock band branded SD cards yeah right yeah so i mean i think that that's one of the big reasons why they did it um but so played super punch out or played punch out we um it is punch out and it is super punch out that's what it is um as long as you're not going in expecting like a a all play version of fight night you should enjoy it i mean it is you want all play fight night that's probably coming out it is probably um or i mean there'll be an there'll probably be a wee boxing update in like the wee motion plus package but it's super fun it's more an action puzzle game than a fighting game um i only got a chance to play against the new fighter that they had there the disco kid but uh but i mean it's it's just as fun as it always was it's definitely just like looking for weaknesses trying not to fuck up your controls i did i did it with waggle controls and had a good time um and it does add a challenge to it that might not be there if you if you play an old-fashioned style because you can unplug the nunchuck turn it on inside and play like an Nintendo game yeah and i mean it's great that that's in there and that might be what people do for multiplayer which they were not showing which they're not ready to talk about but is in the game wow but um but yeah i mean it's fun it plays really well it looks great it's super charming like it the framerate is good it doesn't like a lot of we games even when the framerate is okay there's still just something about it that looks like a last gen game cube or PSN game running in interlace but it looks really good and i mean it'd be really funny if in multiplayer you you could only one person could had to be uh the kid and the other person had to be any of the other characters yeah i could only fight with the exact same weaknesses like you missed with this punch you're fucking screwed that's and that's what i was wondering today i was i was going run and listening to to giant bomb and then talk about it and uh i was wondering how they're gonna make a multiplayer mechanic in that game work because that game is predicated on you being essentially more powerful than anyone else because you don't have the same weaknesses that everyone else does right so how are they gonna i mean especially if it's if it uses the waggle controls which there's a slight delay too so it's like assuming that you don't accidentally punch your roommate in the face for being a douche which i can imagine whatever happened anyway um i just don't understand how they're gonna make it work you punch Anthony it's almost never an act i have never hit Anthony i have been sorely tempted but i have never hit Anthony yeah where'd you get that black i would have only made that mistake one he talks a big game amen i say that not because i would have punched him back i would have gotten punched and i would have went to mirror him crying and then when arthur was asleep he would have woken up with me like above him naked and like i mean after i cut off one of my ears and i'm just like i'm sorry i have to do this and i and they'd just be like arthur stabbed 151 times and then he shot himself maybe something much more like twisted and scary so that's the part where he sassed me 151 times and that's like every sunday night i don't stand on me look at me um and here i thought the only thing that Anthony could be feared for was he gives a really mean titty twister how what there's a story behind this there has to be no actually i who's titties have you been twisting no one's no i came out so much sadder than i think you intended it to i say what i mean and i mean what i say even when you don't mean to say it um okay so yeah so uh punch out we what's really cool and i got a chance to look at play on play mirror's edge did you go sorry did you go to the nintendo conference no because i just wanted to know to really heaven there's only one keynote that i managed to track what was up with nintendo and early morning press conferences well every every every keynote was pretty early in the world they're all usually early yeah what's up with nintendo and really bad press conferences no right yeah i was not excited for zelda spirit tracks well that's because you didn't really like uh the last one for dia i didn't say what i didn't want to talk about my excitement i was curious like i'm not i'm actually surprised by like not seeing more excitement over some of their announcements at gdc it's not it's not the the announcements are the problem it's the way that they're announced like their press conferences i never hear it because i didn't go to them um because i went to all the parties and i never hear anybody come out of the nintendo press conferences the last this one or the the last one or the one at e3 last year or whatever yeah all they talk about is how awful the press conferences were how awkward they were this one it's the uh the miamoto rape picture is the one that came out of it that's that's the big deal i don't know what you're talking about well there's okay so they they went off about nintendo's design philosophy again and miamoto's design philosophy again and one of the things that miamoto apparently does is he kidnaps people in the office and says and like sits them down oh yeah i heard about that yeah and so there's a picture of him you know in like a cowboy hat with a bandit mask on and then there's a picture of him like standing with his hands on his hip standing over this young japanese lady you know like about to kidnapper and uh so it started universally referred to as the miamoto rape picture it's like audition and reverse yeah uh on that uh did you talk about every game you've been playing no not even close because we're getting into gdc territory so maybe we should take a quick break no i'm i've still got so much to talk about games that you've but you're actually playing or games you just played it no game that was the only game i played at gdc because surprisingly there is not a lot to play on the gdc for anywhere well that doesn't make that i mean that makes sense it makes sense it's for developers tools and shit it's not exactly well i mean it's just like you hear game in the title and you're like games games on floor games on expo floor what else did you play then so i picked up guitar hero metallic over the weekend how's that um it is the best guitar hero game since never soft took over the franchise wow um yeah it is the only thing that would make me buy another guitar hero it is approaching the goodness of guitar hero two wow um and i i've i've been pondering this and the only thing i can think of sounds really corny but it's basically there is a love and dedication that went into the making of this product that didn't doesn't feel present in any of the other guitar hero games wow and the only the only explanation i i have for that is that like me i mean i'm sure that there are a ton of people that work at never soft that wanted to learn how to play a guitar because of metallica right right love that band and like right even i who who never got really good at guitar like i i'm okay on rhythm like i even i could play something off of off of pretty much every metallica album and it's just because i love the music so much and it's definitely that's all there and it i remember enough of that to think when i'm playing the game oh these note progressions are a lot better than they've ever been oh wow cool it feels a lot more like playing the songs than it ever has like and a lot of metallica isn't extremely complicated on the guitar so like something like the rhythm guitar well yeah well for the rhythm guitar and i mean the notes obviously or the the leads are obviously insane but like the sad but true notation on harder expert is pretty much more or less what it's like playing the song on a normal time um but the uh the song selection is excellent the the graphics are not like everyone is our cancerous like drug addicts like you never you never see but i want the authentic rockstar experience god i man i i've gone on at length ranting about what never soft is done to the guitar hero character design but you don't really even have to you virtually never see any of them with i think in my entire playthrough on the guitar part of it i only saw one of them once and that was like the swedish fat death metalware guy and that was when i was playing the mastodon song first so for some reason it seemed to work um but i mean it's like the the the track selection no but it just like seeing like this corpse painted swedish dude with spikes everywhere singing mastodon like worked a little bit no they all look like grungy bearded dudes yeah truckers yeah kind of kind of in the trucker always stumbling around drunk that's an ad on games by every time i upload a page what the new mastodon album yeah which is fucking fantastic well not for the mastodon album for the mastodon like i wanted to do like dlc for it or something or the fact that it's featured on metalka that's possible like because if they were mastodon dlc you would have seen like a smoke cloud in this chair while i went to go download it but i mean the track listing is really good and didn't they also add like uh something above expert for drums yeah they added uh double bass expert plus mode yeah for drums on certain songs that are noted with a uh skull crossbones like a skull on crossbones it's only available for certain songs you can only do it with a guitar or a world tour drum set um so i didn't try it um if you only have the rock band drum set and you want to buy this game for the drums you might think so i would you try it because you're not that good no i'm not that good i mean i played i usually try to play drums on hard because it's it's more fun i tried playing drums on normal and it actually it sounded like it cut out parts of the drum track it probably does i mean just to make it easier i mean well no not not like it's not notes are missing it's that you don't hear all of the song even when you don't miss notes that's really weird it's about to be full blown to killing each other i want to see warfare arthur's cat actually had to cut its piss short because my cat attacked it in the litter box so hopefully she's not peeing on the carpet right now it wouldn't be the first time that that car has been done i don't know why but for some reason my cat peepee isn't insufferable content well it is just that she's on the fucking war path like she's literally a stalking lady right now so i don't know it sucks when you have to paint shit off dude i've done that before i've been like i used because a big thing is like i'm really pee shy around people but i can i can piss in a front yard no problem like a front yard someone's house if it's dark and no one's out there so i'm biting i've definitely had times and people driven by it i'm like uh and it's just like and it's just like it is fucking almost it's like in painful you know it's worse is when you're uh that could be bad i'm pretty sure that arthur's cat did in fact get a little pee on the floor because my cat seems really fascinated with this bottom of the floor oh um like have you ever been dating someone and you're in the shower and like and they come into the bathroom yeah like so like sometimes when they do that i just get super paranoid and occasionally i've been say i don't know peeing in the shower and all of a sudden i feel like they need to choke it off in case they they said they want to open up the curtains so i was more like i thought the store is going like you're in the shower together and then you're peeing in the shower and then you pee on them and you're wondering if they're going to notice that it's not just the hot water from the faucet because it's hitting him at a weird angle but you're too scared to stop it because then they'll be like why did that stop there's an awful lot of detail in that story i've actually never taken a shower with someone now we know why anyway uh so that i mean the it just feels like a lot of care went into the game whereas other guitar hero games have felt more like crass commercializations and it's just funny that it's a licensed guitar hero game that feels the least commercialized like there's no guitar bundle for it um it automatically recognizes the death magnetic dlc if you have it wow and you can use it wow but i mean it should be yeah i know i mean it really is the it's the best guitar hero has been since the 360 version of two wow all right it's what else you've been playing retro game challenge on the nintendo ds which is pretty awesome like all the games are super fun like ninja haggle man i would totally just keep playing ninja haggle man if i could if it didn't break me out of the fucking game every two minutes saying challenge completed start the fucking game all over again but that's my only pet peeve i mean the games are you could unlock like full version you can but by the time it does that like you've gone through the game like at least four times uh like you've gone through very different parts of the game at least four times no you have to because when it gives you a challenge you have to be a punk bit requires that's excellent advice um no i mean it like it'll give you a challenge and as soon as you accomplish the challenge it'll break you out of the game and if you want to go in for the next challenge you have to start the game over again so the first one for ninja haggle man is stop two enemies in one jump and as soon as that does it like the game just stops and some bright shiny little shit happens on the bottom screen and it pulls you out of the game you know what would work there is if it played oh de joy when that happens that is exactly what my thought actually was which makes me kind of wish that i did have peggle for ds there's i think there's multi-card play or a single cart multiplayer and uh whatever i hate you don't move moving on um i mean all the it just reminds me of playing nintendo and as a kid and i'll like the really great nintendo games and not bad nintendo games they're not throwing nintendo games like ninja haggle man is pretty cool and there's like a racing game that reminds me a lot of micro machines whoa or rc pro am no rad racer no no rad racer you know what rad racer really just wasn't that good no it wasn't if you go back it was not that rad no most original nintendo games in my opinion aren't that good if you go back i think there are plenty of great s and s games that still hold up but like there are some original nintendo games oh like get an emulator or something or because i you know i have a system that completely original nintendo games i just don't own the carts anymore right and it's like yeah i'll play them for like 10 minutes and i'll be like this is fucking hard or just or like uh i went back and i think it was a couple years ago uh ryan hooked up uh his nest and we played like double dragon i was like wow this dragon is still kind of fun yeah but we were like we were like man this game actually sucks a lot more than i remember it's like yeah i remember my my friends and i sit down playing this game endlessly like beating it and starting it over and playing it again to beat it again i came so fucking hard so i never i never uh smoked pot but i remember uh i used to have some times where we're must have really sounded like i did because i remember i used to lay in my friend Ian's bed after school sometimes and he'd be playing at request and i'd just be like looking up at the ceiling and i would ask Ian Ian if you had to lay in bed for a whole for a whole month and the only thing you could do when you're awake with seeing the double dragon song would you do it for a million dollars a whole month and he'd be like play a net request and turn around and show him and be like yeah i guess i'd do it and then i'd just sit there and be all and i'd just sit there and do it for as long as i could that's my story and then he came over and punched me in the face so no actually i i've never been punched in the face by Ian but i have been elbowed so hard because if we crashed in the same bed one time and he said he rolled over and elbowed me so hard in the face and i didn't move that he thought he had killed me because Ian's probably like i don't know i'm going to say Ian's well over 200 pound me and it's a big boy Ian is i'm not going to guess Ian's in the big guy and when he rolled over Ian is a nice guy with that furious elbow man it fucking it could have it could have crushed it could have very well crushed my school i don't know he didn't wake up or what no i'm assuming that literally Ian probably knocked me out and i just don't remember because i was just sleeping so at some point he just turned my brain off for a while while i was asleep this is where if robert ashley is here we've been going to a totally totally not okay tangent and i'm going to be sleeping at Ian's house and me and me and we're such good friends we shared the bed we didn't sleep head to toe or anything like that fuck you for anyone who would say something and i need it i need the shit man that's really aggressively proactive i need i need the shit out of eans wall so hard in my sleep like i for some reason had a dream where i must have gotten into a fight against like a horse or something and i just like i just murray kicked out my leg so hard i put a hole in his wall with my knee punch a lot of horses another time i was sleeping in a bed i definitely got a dream where i threw a punch and i punched the shit out of my wall and cut my knuckles open that was i have a lot of probably dangerous you weren't in like kung fu training or something like yeah i'm just having post-traumatic stress uh for man sorry for my yeah you're never t on devivian on flashback my friends and i would go to my um my buddy's house like he has this sort of cabin out in texas out in the country and one time we were all sleeping it was just us like you know we were probably teenagers 16 17 years old and one of my homeboys went over to my friend who is like this big lumberjack kind of guy his hands are like the size of soccer balls and he built seven houses by the time he was 10 and uh he had a blue ox and like one of my friend like doffdom you know like dick on forehead slap slap slap i don't know that i don't know that elaborate on that concept for us which is you just kind of like tap it there like uh you know like a teacher would with a ruler so this is like teabagging is enough for most people no texas yeah i've i've just turned to touching your balls to their to their head uh that would be good i i did that to my friend jereg when he was really drunk one time more i no it wasn't me i think it was my you know i bet it wasn't you we just it was just like touch your balls to the top of his head while he was passed out because he was he was that idiot who drank too much and i remember he woke up and he found out and got so mad that he wanted to do it back to us so i remember when we went to bed that night we surrounded the whole entire bed and sheets of printer paper so that we could hear him approaching okay so back to your story about someone putting their penis on this guy got dawg's yeah and then he what he what he woke up and thought it was me and this dude's a lumberjack and i was you know two years younger wait so was this mid dauffer was this afterwards it was like slap slap slap ran back laugh man what the fuck punch dude right to my gut i'm a little guy oh i'm hurt i'm just imagining you flying it's like a downward punch you know you like spiked me through the the cabin he told us in the basement it's like at first when you said dawg i thought you said dawg like dawg yeah that's what i thought i thought this was the term you like someone brought communist russia against your friend they dawg'd now now now like somebody needs to make an animated gift of doff doffing somebody doff doffing it's my weird voice someone commented that that they think that they always confuse me for a girl and that guy's what at the last rebel of them show they always have to remind themselves i'm a i'm a male yeah i think it's because they get they get bad feelings about it i i think i i have inadvertently banned that guy's ip no don't they're absolutely that person is absolutely right i get confused for a female all the time like when i have to call like tech support over the phone did i just assume you're a woman that smokes a lot of cigarettes or something i guess i guess we've got a tournament that comes in right now i did not take it's all right i thought it was hilarious for a woman based on my physical appearance before for having longer hair when people will come up from behind yeah that was to assume i'm like some fucking chud of a woman it's a chud of a man so it's a great son thing you know i i don't know i've gotten a lot of nasty things said about my voice before too so it's okay your voice is like an angel i think your voice is sexy Anthony i've also heard that before and i had a person email me and tell me that that he and his girlfriend thought so so now i just picture no no i just want to need to put out something that was doffing each other i need to put out something so when they're playing central like or uh like uh the mister game i can just put out something where i just make like really low base tones and don't mike for them like and they're like put the speaker up on themselves you know therefore it was like you're not fucking joking i just wanted to get a rise out of arthur and i succeed anyways i don't have anything to say anyway um we should probably take a break and then we'll come back and talk about gdc can i say something though yeah yeah taking a shower with the girl that was like one of the first like fantasies i had to tackle man you know that in charlotte man i mean that was that was on the priority list at me i mean i'm not saying that it isn't high in my priority list i have been a failure like the one just how i am and i want something i don't know so welcome back uh fat penis we're gonna actually start talking about the things that we saw last week is it like a comma now last week said it's more it's more like a quirk like like you know like if i was a mobster um i was just watching a little bit of good fells last night and they were talking about jimmy two times and he was jimmy two times because he would say everything twice like i'm gonna get the keys get the keys so for me it'd be like Anthony tony fat penis that's what they call me or something you know because it's just like after he says things like you know i'm gonna totally whack this guy fat penis you know so i know we need to do fat penis so uh so we're gonna talk about some gdc shit um we saw gdc last week most of us were there tyler wasn't but that's okay tyler still got some good input because he's tyler and he's got a brain um so you know we're the worst host ever i or the best host ever i'm not sure that's actually pretty good from it's actually i'm gonna debate as we've covered before you are an excellent debater so uh yeah so uh gdc was last week we all went it was cool uh i mean but i you know last just gdc to me was a lot better in the sense that when we went like i actually remember seeing all these like whoa i guess it wasn't better in a sense because a lot of the shit i saw was like total bullshit like like i mean it wasn't good for gaming it was like good for like i saw like one thing where you could control uh this one video game with your eyeballs and you were playing like something that looked like the original top gun game for arcade did it work controlling your plane it did work wow you could control the playing through eyeballs and shoot missiles and dodge so what sort of hardware did you need in order for your eyeball to become your primary input device like a crazy array of shit that you had to stare into and calibrate your eyes too wow it was pretty expensive it basically looks like you're at like a master shredder's console basically there was no real good application for for video games it was you could not take no drone it was basically made for a medical shit i mean like for people that you know can't move they can still control shit with their eyes like a mouse or something what if like an eyelash fell in there during surgery what if what if i i don't know i don't even have any good answer this but anyways but there was also like a lot of other interfaces like coupled like obvious we rip off that sort of thing last year and you know then their mind control thing and but there all that stuff really was kind of like strangely like absent it wasn't as readily apparent like there wasn't like the crazy like guy with the dome screen that was like your weird 3d thing like all the stupid bullshit there was because this was the year the disposable income disappeared that's like oh i guess people don't have three hundred dollars to spend on shit that they'll never use again and i mean yeah i mean for as far as like open to public things go like gdc can be kind of interesting but like when you're walking around the showroom floor and you're just seeing like booths for countries that want you to come work at it or like mocap suits like that stuffs there were a lot of people dancing in mocap suits really awkwardly yeah i actually felt sorry for this one girl who every time i walked through the show floor she was in one of those booths and she was dancing and like i she was the only one i ever saw dancing in that booth and this isn't multiple different times like walking through the show it's like the dancing slave girl in java's palace yeah exactly i'm like so they hired this one poor girl to dance for like six hours straight for four days in a row i mean what's going on and she she had she was moving it's not like yeah when i always saw they were definitely only really dancing they were just kind of like doing like a little shimmy and like moving their arms and i it still made me laugh audibly every time i'd see the little wireframe doing that too extra just looks hilarious next year we need to go and you need to ask them if you can put on the motion capture suit that would be awesome i would i'd start doing this i'd start doing michael jackson on it wireframe porn poses and watch my little wireframe guy no i would put on michael j old-school michael jackson that's true i danced to my jackson i'm like on command it's almost like you get embarrassed of me you guys ever do you guys ever see that embarrassing me at the grocery store you could embarrass me in front of a convention center full of people it's true i do dance to the grocery store on a regular basis when michael jackson stuff comes on or we'll be in the car and vick james to come on the radio and he'll blast it and dance with me in the passenger seat and then i realize we're in oakland and you turn it up louder you asshole uh i have a death wish so the so gdc did you guys see anything that stood out besides like you know you said punch out but like were there any other i didn't actually sit in on one game wise like their presentation i feel like nintendo was really the only studio that announced games like new stuff like new stuff yeah i mean other than modern warfare too well yeah but that wasn't announced at jeep after the the keiley cockties all week on twitter right right i mean i saw i saw stuff that i thought was really compelling and interesting but not with stuff that was really new yeah okay so was it tuesday was the independent games festival yes okay so you you did you went to that right well i mean the why i mean the igf pavilion is there all week but yeah the the awards were on wednesday or thursday or whatever i mean a lot of those games looked really cool but again there was always the lines there were always like seven or eight deep every time i went to the x before and i always went totally worth it though between panels so i would go and i'd wait for like 20 minutes i'm like okay i guess i'm not playing this just like the same pimply kid was playing the dishwasher dead samurai in the fucking x and a pavilion every day yeah not so yeah i mean which is kind of a cool game but i mean like the the indy stuff was all really amazing and i and i definitely want to talk about that but i feel like the obvious ones that i can talk about right away just because they're easy are uh infinite like the sony stuff this and fat princess were both an and pixel junk eaten encore all three of those things i'm like i want these game i thought fat princess was awesome and you know it was actually yes totally surprising me because when i saw fat princess a long time ago i knew it was like a capture the flag game but i thought it was very straightforward like i thought it was actually just going to be like a really basic game on psn where there's like one fat chick in the center of the room don't you she starts out skinny yeah she does but i thought it was just one fat person in the room and everyone's going for this one girl and it's not like that at all it's like class-based and way more complex yeah it's like capture the flag where uh you have to you have to capture your princess and put her on your throne and have the other team's princess instill in the dungeon and meanwhile like before that can happen there's like 10 steps in between and everyone on your team can have i like if there's a person that doesn't want us to go out and fight like it's like fine go gather wood so we can build our catapult to launch us over their wall like it's like there are like we need man cannons and even like even the classes like that like the wood gatherer later they can get amazing unlocks like they can throw bombs and uh you know actually become really powerful offensive characters as well yeah well and like uh i think jeff canada put it best about the princess because we we had like a our last episode it was like a gdc round table we had a bunch of people on that it was a lot of fun one of the guys is jeff konada from the totally rad show who's like super nice he's would you say he's totally red i would say he is actually totally rad and how many d's in red just one oh okay they're old school all right and he said uh he said like well what you have to do with the princess is you put your cake in her cake hole and it makes her fatter and then since it makes man that's a really high level breakdown yeah yeah it's great it's totally rad and then the uh no that actually sounded like i was making fun of jeff konada jeff konada actually is a super cool guy but anyway in uh uh the the fatter the princess gets then the more of the other team have to all carry her at the same time right so there is a goal to making a reason to make her fat as well yeah i watched one guy who managed to like they just built their man cannon thing really fast he snuck in grabbed her and then like if you're you can either run out the front door if you want or there's even like secret passageways out of the cabinet out of their stuff yeah i mean that game has a lot more depth to it does especially like what supports like 32 people or something like that 16 on 16 and it fills it out seems really busy it is but it needs all that because there's so many things going on and it fills it out with ai and the ai is actually very competent and the cool and i love how if uh every time somebody dies they drop their hat yeah and your individual character is your character what you do depends on what hat you're wearing so if uh if the other team let's say they have you like playing a warrior but you're only level one and you kill a third level warrior on the other team you can go pick up that third level hat and you become a third level warrior it's super it's super rich and detailed like that and like every class has um has their own kind of alternate power which you just press the triangle button and you switch to it like the priest can switch to become like an evil version of a priest who instead of giving life to his teammates sucks life from the other team and gives it to himself i just think i mean yeah for a downloadable game like it it looks like it's actually gonna be it's gonna be super compelling and like the i love games that are really built for team multiplayer like team fortress two and before that uh tribes you know because then it stops being about like shooting or capturing the flag and more about the dynamic between the different sides and how the different teams yeah i mean i i've been really bad about helping out ephemeral phantasia on killzone but that's because our clan's actually full at this point like i can't even invite more people to it but uh there's definitely going to be an ephemeral phantasia clan in fat francis for sure we actually play with them this time yeah i actually i just have been meaning get around to killzone i've just been really busy but actually i think uh for our ephemeral phantasia listeners we're actually hopefully going to do a match against the cheap ass gamer podcast uh clan so it'll be ephemeral phantasia versus whatever they are the keg the keg team the cheapy bees yeah the cheapy knots all right so uh i don't know did you see any uh presentations or particular i mean i guess the big announcement there was like on live that was like that's like the thing out of everything that everyone saw that's the thing most people are curious about which makes sense yeah so you went to the online presentation i did i did like we brought in our little cameras and set up to see the presentation it was at the i mean did you already know what it is by the time there was a presentation or was it just like you guys just happened to go to it like i don't know it just seems like how did you know that i mean you know i well we knew we had a friend who had worked for reared in labs who are the on-life people um didn't know a thing about it though just that we needed to go and so we were there and i had never heard anything about it prior to gdc at all so yeah and neither did i like didn't know a thing about it and so like we're there and by the way it was at the moma the museum of modern art here in san francisco which is right across the street from moscone right which made it really easy and the cool thing about this particular room in the moment is i don't know how they do this but it's seriously the biggest mother's fucking screen i had ever seen and i don't mean big screen as in i'm act type screen i mean this was like 120 inch i don't know if it was plasma or lcb or whatever but it was crystal clear there wasn't a projection site anywhere and i just had to mention that because i had major screen envy we didn't need you had your screen boa games at the moment you had your we should totally try to do a game night at the moment dude that would be amazing amazing the sound was awesome too now i know what a project can be um okay so so we have a letter like to lead into this from someone so this will be directed at you as much as anything um after watching the video for the online gaming service of gdc and seeing an action i became ecstatic this is from uh brian in michigan considering i have owned almost every console since the sake of genesis and i've been building my own pcs for a while i understand people who also spend a lot of money to feed the need of gaming when they don't have a larger expendable income and would like to see this actually succeed i know you guys aren't nigra domis yes that's a shapelle show reference uh do you want me to predict whether or not do you feel this will actually affect the gaming industry or fizzle out within the next decade being ahead of its time p_s_ death removal of the new g_o_ ninety eight will be released the new g_o_ three or whatever yeah i don't know i i think it totally it has the potential to change everything now the potential doesn't mean dick unless you can actually deliver on it of course yeah i i think it was uh was it forgot who was was one of the sunny people or dave perry i wasn't sure someone was talking about it there's a lot of talking i mean i'll tell people when talking about but i'm just saying like the big thing for me is is going to be how much the service costs per month i mean let's say it works perfectly it's everything is perfectly fine and see that's showing way ahead of where i am but i'm just saying and i'm just saying let's let's i'm just saying in a perfect world where everything works fine and my internet's fine and i can literally play those games on my let my netbook and all that and it works just like they said if it was more than like fifteen ninety nine a month and i had to still buy the games i don't really know that i'd right you know it's like you let me uh let i can what i can tell you is that at the presentation obviously it was in the most ideal situation possible because they're here in san francisco they're less than 50 miles from their data center and they pretty much have i'm sure some kind of direct line is direct as possible through the internet's setup to go directly between the two locations and uh so at least in the most ideal circumstance watching it in action is completely impressive and they moved seamlessly from television to low-end pc to a macbook and uh and it was flawless and it was great and it does things like if you're on if you're playing crisis and let's say you just pause your game then it basically stays paused forever and you can come back to it at any time even if you were to rent a game let's say you rent a game and you pause it and then your rental period is up if you came back to it and you rented it six months eight months a year down the line then it would unpause your game and you could continue right from where you left off or if you bought it you could do the same thing so i mean there's all these there's all these little things that it that on live can do simply because all of the computers exist in one location and the hardware is independent because the the real thing about on live is that all it is is an amazing video codec which makes a lot of sense because steve hernalor whatever his name is who's one of the main two guys behind this on live thing was one of the head people that originally developed quick time at apple so it's not like he's coming from nowhere on this whole video compression thing now of course the the problem here is that it doesn't matter how good your video compression is if somebody has a crappy dsl line they're never going to be able to play a 720p game well it's not just that either i mean even if you have a really good cable connection i mean it still presupposes a level of quality of service that you would have to maintain for the entire time that you're playing which could be multiple hours right like our internet wouldn't cut it considering it's out when we max it out at any time but speaking on the bandwidth and and the delivery of the service last year 83 when um microsoft was talking to me about their netflix initiative and how they were going to be streaming hd movies i was just looking at them i was looking at the new uh xbox experience that they were looking that they were looking to launch and i was just thinking there's no way this is going to work there's no way that they're going to stream hd movies and it's going to work there's going to be a ton of people that are going to want this service and it's going to flood it's not going to work and it does it works fine right you know so that i'm hesitant on calling this vaporware or calling this fantastic point oh yeah i absolutely don't think this is vaporware right i think this is the first serious contender we've seen in the for lack of a better word console gaming space i mean i don't want to call it that's not what it is and it's in a physical form they're actually demoing it yeah that's that's the thing and it exists and it actually has real publisher backing for real games and so these guys are these guys are coming to play and this these guys are in the kind of situation where they can call it people and say hey do you want to invest in this and it's like their personal friend who goes sure so it's not like they're just going to disappear at some point so but and i actually i'm i want them to succeed you know i i don't want to have to worry about my hardware anymore i would love to play like i said video games on my netbook i would yeah i would be pretty ridiculous and well i'm like sterling like uh sterling from game spice said he said uh you know how great would it be for us to talk about just about the games and not about what platform they're on anymore because we don't care yeah well you know i could see like that's something that's more down the road i i think this i mean you know obviously like this i think if it works it's going to be sort of like the introduction you know there's going to be some performance issues it might be like you know playing uh half-life on the original xbox versus playing half-life on the pc you know like you just should rather play on the pc you know maybe maybe in the beginning but well and you still can only even if you have a higher let's say you have a five-mips connection that's what you need supposed to be in order to play in full 720p which isn't a lot which which isn't a lot that's i mean that's actually a lot faster than almost anywhere in the country offers though really yeah i mean it's but no i'm oh i'm sorry i thought you meant 720p isn't a lot no no 720p is i mean i'm fine with that i'm more i think 720p isn't a lot because i my pc i try to play everything and you know full yeah i mean i have a i have a 1080p display as well for pc so it's uh you know for for me if i'm playing a game like crisis the the goal there is to be able to play it on the go you know or to be able to or to be able to have all of the upgrades that happen with it without having to eventually upgrade my pc so i mean the the idea there is a really compelling idea and i do want it to be a success there's just no guarantee of course that it will be because it's all going to depend on the end user and of course it's going to depend on the games that they can deliver but i can see how this kind of service would actually be really attractive for a publisher as well because there's zero privacy yeah but i mean i guess i'm the one i'm the skeptic sitting in the room as far as the service i mean in there it's like oh i'm skeptical as well i just i still wonder i'm just skeptical about it i mean i'm i'm just i'm so skeptical as to be to the point where i haven't gotten to wanting it to happen because i'm just like i don't i i have yet to see something that can demonstrate to me that it's going to work and i saw i played it i mean for about two minutes anyway and i'll elaborate on that a little more um but i mean the the existence of the service presupposes so many things that that are such huge leaps that there is a i mean the more technically savvy areas of the internet are calling timeout and saying uh wait a second um not the least of which being the codec thing that you were talking about before i mean you guys work with hd video right now um how long does it take to encode hd video on a powerful computer it depends on what you're encoding it for if you're i'm assuming you're talking about encoding it for web compression in which case yeah it takes a really long time well i mean not not only that but encoding it for a small file size high resolution file right which is web compression basically and yeah that takes a really long time but see the thing here is that you're talking about pure software encoding and software decoding and what they have on the other end of their spectrum i don't know whatever you want to call it is they have a an application which uses the computer to decode it i guess in a different way than say quick time does or they have their their little box that's basically just a usp port that has a a card in it that can decode it at the other end and i think the i think that's what i think that's where the where the real potential in their technology is is that it can be encoded and then decoded using their proprietary codec but in a quick way or really quick but i mean well i mean if there's a if it's a software based decoder solution then it would need a way more powerful piece of hardware than they're saying we'll be able to run the service i mean if you have a i don't know i mean i ostensibly not but who knows i mean like i all i can say is that i saw it running in ideal situations and if everybody can be in an ideal situation then it'll run great i i think where the bottleneck is going to come is the fact that the majority of us are not in ideal situations right and we're going to end up experiencing frame drops you know i don't think um i guess what i'm saying is that i don't think that their core technology is vaporware or that that's the problem i think the problem is that the infrastructure isn't there and that maybe they're ahead of their time right because we know that they're going to launch what is it five farms next uh next fall two on the east coast to on the west coast and one in the mid west or something like that or five something like that i mean i'm just i think that euro gamer has summed it up best so far in their editorial which is to say that the data centers that they're talking about would be on a level that we have literally never seen before like google doesn't run the kinds of data centers that they would need to run this service with a million users i don't know where you get that kind of data but it's entirely possible i mean like maybe they have enough money that they can do this well they're i mean running processing for each game like every individual user would need the equivalent of a high-end pc and not just a high-end pc but higher-end parts like sad erase do well i mean at least according to the i feel like i'm like their marketing guy all the sudden but i guess it's just because i was at the presentation and the and so the the way that they tried to address that situation is they said that their their technology allows them to run lots of virtual machines on hardware so that they're their actual costs per per instance of of a game is far cheaper than an individual user's machine and then they they had to develop their own proprietary stackable server technology in order to you know basically bulk up on this i mean basically maybe they're what it comes down to is maybe there is some fucking harry potter magic going on i mean that's essentially what that is it's like it's they're essentially saying we have magic and this is what we're doing and i'm not saying that it can't exist yeah i'm just saying that they not just them having i mean there's like a sequence of extremely difficult obstacles that they would have to overcome to introduce the service i mean there's the hardware obstacle there's the internet infrastructure obstacle there's the limited bandwidth amounts a month that almost all internet service providers are rolling out across the country i mean it's a question that somebody in the audience asks them as well like we have a 300 as Comcast customers in the Bay Area we have a 250 to 300 gigabyte upload and download limit a month well they they did they somebody asked that question and so they did the math right there on stage and well not accurately i assume but they according to them you could play for something like you know four to six hours a day and not hit your bandwidth cap even it even at 250 gigs or three hundred gigs or whatever it is so we'll not hit your bandwidth cap just playing games i mean right then there's anything else that you might be doing back and forth six hours a day i mean they're running back and they did four to six hours a day they're running well look maybe if they have friends and then after that but when they're not playing you know they're downloading Naruto and porn torrents so i could take that i figure four to six hours a day for two weeks rest your bandwidth is porn in Naruto yep i just wrote a porn and i mean again there's like there's quality of service like expectations that need to be maintained and i mean if there's any other traffic on that line then it slows the game experience down and in optical optimal conditions i saw stuttering and lag the gdc floor is not optimal conditions no but they're if i think the i think like anybody who's ever tried to use g internet out of the moss goni's well yeah but that's not far or less i think that it's it's specious to assume that they're using the moss goni centers internet connections to do online where it wouldn't have worked at all i mean if you expect that they were using the convention centers internet service i don't think they're demonstration before you're saying yeah so they they definitely i mean i've i feel comfortable assuming that they brought in their own network infrastructure with them to demonstrate it and it could have been phios because there is phios in that area yeah but i just i think that it could be awesome i think that it it could democratize like access to a lot of stuff but i mean there's still places where you can't even get cable or dsl internet truth too bad that's your parents yeah too bad for them fucking move out of the countryside and then video games or having a lot of land to make a fucking choice and then there's day and then they're very happy with it day perius working for a company in europe that is apparently trying to do the same thing mm-hmm yeah and they said that their client will not require a download well neither does online no online offline life if you play it on pcs or it requires a download yeah um and then you have cry tech who said that they looked into this and said that the infrastructure would be there until 2013 and by then the world's gonna end i don't know like the the way the way that i look at it is that uh these kind of things that seem untrue and seem too good to be true usually are but sometimes they're not which is not a very profound statement right now i mean it's it's a true statement yeah maybe we're on the verge of a fucking tricorder and that's what i'm saying that's fucking people people you saw start checking like man no one's ever gonna have that shit i flip out myself on someone back then and their mind would explode i mean maybe they use tacky on leaves oh my god god damn you both if it works i mean they're gonna they'll have revolutionized so many other things games will be the lowest application of this i mean the people will be all okay so here's the thing is that uh if you got a chance to talk to these guys on the show floor before they figured out your media which we didn't but a couple other people did um one of my friends was saying that he was talking to to one of the engineers i was eavesdropping on some more conversation okay and uh uh they were talking about exactly the fact that you know that this kind of thing has application for a lot more than just games you know for me i was an animation student and being able to use their servers as my render farm and then just have the video being back to me of what of what it is outputting is would have been hugely valuable it would have been worth that it would have been worth whatever the subscription per month would be sure you could open the studio for way less and that in that sense like people making games and that sort of thing using all that technology from afar i mean amazon is already doing something like that like they have their own sort of amazon technology services like twitter uses amazon's technology service for all the stuff the founder does that all the time twitter's had more downtime than any other like website it's had like i forgot i i've read i i've heard something on mpr about how much downtime is yeah i know twitter has a lot of downtime it's awesome the founder uh steve steve purlman that's him steve purlman uh he he he's actually one of these ceos who his his big idea is invest a lot of money in really big research projects uh you might remember the curious case of benjamin button won the award for best visual effects because the face mapping technology that was his technology there was that that was that was technology that you know his team research brought to hollywood so it's like he's definitely thinking about other applications for this stuff it's like uh that you want less guy that guy's like another person that does that just has billions of dollars and invests in crazy shit and you know good for those guys because you know they're the ones that bring these things to actuality and you know in terms of bandwidth caps and all these sorts of things i mean online very well could be the tipping point you know to bring some of these things to a head and to the forefront of um you know discussion of in terms of space before i die well i think that's why that's what makes me think of man i want to actually i say so never talk about this and everyone's like so skeptical i'm like man what if what if there was that gonna happen your eco moment in that studio where they've just done something that we just don't understand you're get you're going to get into space before you die Anthony i hope so because i'm going to when i'm older than you are so um just called starly translate over the radio very well yeah i think it's great i mean these rich ass people aren't just sitting on their money in hoarding it to themselves but they're using it for things that will better my life for video games well i i think it makes sense you know the like i was saying one of this conversation this guy was having with an engineer was uh that the reason why they chose gaming is because gaming is one of the hardest things you can do using this because because of the lack of delay you know because because of the necessary of the input and output so you know it's like going back to my render farm example i can submit something and wait however long it takes for it to spit it back out at me but gaming you can't have that so it's it's once again the case that it's always been even in the early days of the pc is that gaming is what pushes the computing technology to the furthest edge first even more so than porn it used to be the military until we get gaming porn yeah but the military is one big video game anyway deep but i just do i mean i think i want it to work i just i have many many so anyway the indy stuff i'm gonna move into the indy stuff because like it's more interesting i want to talk about it and it actually is more interesting than online um i think online is interesting just because of the the nerd debate you can have around it and there's somebody going through your garbage oh it's our garbage the next i we go i like around here like it's like uh if ukland is a really green city or san francisco to go to virgin city it's thanks to all the people that totally come and steal the bottles and shit out of everything yep that's what happens in ours in fact we bag them up specifically for easy transport yeah i have like a uh an asian couple who come around in the morning when i leave for work a lot of times they'll be sitting on the curb and when i exit they're my gate they'll just like say thank you to me and then just run through the gate and pillage i'm like you do it man whatever you take the money i'd prefer you take it than the fucking city yeah anyways exactly indie games was fez showing anything other than the trailer just the new trailer new trailer which was pretty sweet yeah super sweet yeah i still want to play that game oh god love the music love the art yeah it's going to be really really good speaking of all the music and all the sound effects were done by uh are being done by jason de groot who um was kind of responsible kind of one of the originators of the eight bit music scene with all oh no way another name for that guy is game boy jason that's just kind of what i guess some people call him yeah because he was you know a game boy music maker and then he started doing things with uh lots of chip tunes and now he's super into circuit bending apparently and that's how he's doing a lot of the sound effects for fez so they're gonna have they're gonna that vibe is gonna complete be complete throughout that whole game i can't wait for it wow but like of the games that they did show some of the immediate successes in my mind were uh the unfinished swan which is a game where you start out literally on a white screen like i walked up there to play it and the guy gave me the control he's okay you're in the game and that's all it is it's a white screen and i pressed the a button to shoot and it shoots like a little like ball of paint that splatters around yeah and as it splatters around it reveals the level so basically you're you're splattering paint around so that you can reveal the level and it's all about exploration and uh it's because it has this straight up black and white color palette it has a really amazing aesthetic to it the whole goal i guess is that you're a boy who's following a duck or something like into this other world so you see like these little duck prints far away and you'll have to you'll have to throw little splatters of paint around to figure out how to get from point A to point B and it turns out to be absolutely beautiful yeah i've seen video of that game in motion and i i i remember they were going between scenes where like the background might be all white and the splats were black there were other scenes where the background was all black and the splats were white you know so it was like negative they see that that's really cool and they they for that particular one where it was black with the white paint they sort of added some spooky atmospherics and sort of spooky sound effects and it kind of like felt really creepy like wow this is kind of a creepy way to do a scary game you know it's kind of interesting concepts oh nice yeah yeah is that game actually supposed to come out at some point okay that's good i every that's the thing about the igf is you talk to everybody there and they all absolutely intend to finish their game and if past is prologue most of them will so yeah the the igf is just or the independent games festival is in a really in a really amazing vehicle to get people into the industry that might not have a way otherwise but it's also an amazing vehicle for original ideas and the kind of stuff that you see there is going to be stuff that you're not going to see anywhere else in the games industry for the entire year and that's why it's so satisfying gdc really is and i've said this on our on our show so sorry if i'm repeating myself but it really is the e3 for indie games you know we go to e3 thinking like oh there's going to be all these great new game announcements and there always are but the indie game announcements always come out of gdc thanks to the igf and for that i'm actually really grateful and i hope the industry as a whole is grateful for it because it's where this it's where the next generation of game developing game developer superstars come from i hear that speaking of smaller games did anybody yeah because there's no real good place to talk about did anybody see the trailer for the new pop cap game today no the plants versus zombies or something plants versus zombies it's a music video where plants just singing a song about why it's important to fight zombies the premise that one up actually got the exclusive preview um and it's basically like the premises do you have a sunflower that you use for solar power so you grow other plants in the garden and it's basically like a tower defense game with these plants defending off zombies keeping it from killing the person inside the house nice but it's super cute and it comes from people that made peggle purchased my feet yeah how i'm already ready it's like a cross between the happening and living and i wrote a new story with the trailer and it that you can find a game spy you asshole hey man i'm just happy i can still do the podcast it's not having a job so i have to i have to bring up another indie game too it's called tag and uh it's from a bunch of students at digipin which might ring a bell with some of you because they were it was another class at digipin that developed portal narbacular drop right that's when it's called narbacular drop narbacular drop yeah and so these guys developing tag it's uh it has a little bit of that vibe to it in that it's a first-person puzzle game but the idea behind it is that you have a paint gun that sprays three different kinds of paint and that's your interaction with the world so there's one kind of paint you you spray green on the ground and it makes you jump you spray red on the ground and you move really fast while you're on the red you spray blue on the ground or on the walls and you stick to it or you can stick to it on the ceiling too so then you can imagine the puzzle almost it can come around that kind of situation where you spray red up a slope and then green spot and to a green spot and you'll jump you'll speak in you'll jump really far and then you spray then like you see how i'm gonna die but i'm gonna hit this wall first so you spray blue on the wall so you stick to the wall and you hit it and then you go up the wall and those kind of situations it's you know we were playing that and everything that you're describing sounds really simple but it sounds more fun than a lot of the games that i play exactly on a regular basis and that's the whole thing about these indie games and the ones that are accepted into the IGF are almost always incredibly simple ideas executed incredibly well and and i don't mean simple as in easy to come up with just simple as in they're easy to understand they're very reductive in design to the point where it's easy to grasp the concept and it's because they have to be you know yeah well and it's like it's like one of those things where it's like i imagine some guy that sat there and spent his whole life designing some triple-a title goes and presents like why couldn't i thought of that exactly and that's why we will see it in the orange box too electric bootle wheel right well and that's what and but also comes out of the IGF for things that are just wildly experimental like the one that actually won the shameless McNally award this year and that's why they're all theirs they all want to win the shameless McNally award which is basically here's twenty thousand dollars go make your game and this year Mountain Dew actually threw another ten thousand dollars on top of that those bastards hey whatever so and the guy who won this year made a game called my blueberry or called i always want to say my blueberry garden because of uh my i thought you're gonna say blueberry muffin i was good the blueberry garden game or yeah yeah blueberry garden and blueberry garden is it is just this crazy experimental game and it's so apparently a really excellent oral experience but i didn't get to to listen to it because i there weren't any headphones there and it wasn't it was very loud everywhere else but it's really it's kind of hard to explain in that you're a duck person who moves around this world and it's very simple flat 2d graphics and you don't know why you're doing a lot of things until stuff just starts to happen and then it all kind of falls together for you as you're playing and it develops this sense of uh exploration that is at first seems punitive but after you realize what's going on then it starts to make a lot of sense and allows you to progress to different places in the level and i and that's the kind of thing that you're not you that you're only going to find at the idea i was going to say yeah because everything else they if they would never try making a game where you didn't immediately feel like you knew what you should be doing right because that's like no one's gonna no developer would greenlight a project like that yep i mean yep and in these situations all the developer didn't have to greenlight it so and thank fucking christ for that because here it is you know unlike like last year we wouldn't have crayon physics if it wasn't for pet u puros making just one that by the way this the Swedes pretty much own the independent gaming scene these days hopefully i mean it's cold out there i mean i i feel like maybe uh it's easier to go to those colleges for that sort of thing maybe they're i don't know i mean i don't know if they have free education there or what but i just imagine yeah and just imagine like here did you pin probably cost some obscene price to go to i'm just saying probably yeah hopefully with capitalism hopefully we'll see that change because america's the best yep america except the independent games apparently yep or running against kenyans according to power power thirst commercial hey i measure the success of a nation based off the power of its independent games development industry man and so far that we are using like the military again the military is just a big video game it's just not an video game it's blue it's blue my god damn vine uh so is there anything else from gdc we wanted to take a little time to talk about her uh some some panels and some keynotes but you guys aren't excited you know you shake your fucking head and shrug your shoulders i'm just saying you can talk about them i'm just saying i'm not saying that they're not interesting i'm just saying here you have a few minutes to try and make them interesting for people who did not attend them that's the thing you know what i mean like seeing a single panel with like kajima talking or seeing a panel with the guys that made kills on two and them explaining shit that is cool but it's hard to translate that no it's not that hard to translate here's what i want to know what it what was it like being at the uayda and sort of 51 and all the what what was it like being at that panel it was a cluster when they did not introduce trico and like everybody i was like just walking out of there like uh whoa like what what what i heard about when she didn't say when she didn't say wasn't that she didn't say uayda's games i think i mean like here to clarify oh yeah i'm just like you know everybody expected you added to it out of the classes why the hell would they do that at a at a panel like that early on wednesday and the uh preview shadow colossus originally at a gdc maybe recall actually way back i'm gonna go with tyler and say yes because i don't know any better i remember game trialers be a long time ago um i mean they they established it is is not talking about i mean it was talking about design in a broader perspective as opposed to what we're gonna show off our sheet i mean it was supposed to be east versus west but it was pretty much like western guide kissing japanese guys asses japanese guys kissing western guy ass yeah but the uh the problem with that panel and i didn't go to it this is just from a lot of people i know that did said that the translation was absolutely horrible there yeah so so it was simulcast in english and japanese because uayda and suda don't really speak english or they don't speak it very well um it was the guy from the fallout team i'm sure does yeah uh amel from the fallout team does not speak japanese i think mark mcdonald actually does he does but uh uh who was the the chair of the panel i guess like the presenter um so everyone got headsets which i didn't realize when i first walked in so before it started i had to run back outside and grab a fucking headset i was like who's that guy wearing those stupid fucking headphones what is he like from the 80s and then i look around and everyone is wearing those and marks like this is this panel is going to be simulcast in english and japanese and then i look at i look up at the stage and like blights go off in my head i'm like i should probably grab one of those stupid looking headsets um there were two translators from uh from japanese to english one of them was fine in the other barely spoke english and there was definitely a point where the translation cut out completely so i was repeatedly left feeling like i was missing something because there are points where sudah or rueida would say a lot and then the translator would spend about five seconds so very emotional yes something with law intensity right um yeah and uh i'm assuming that everybody who listens to this podcast already knows who sudah and you wait are um we can clarify uh but we're not all right if they don't too bad look that shit up if they don't if they looked it up it probably still wouldn't be that interesting to them i mean i know that the nix setner went there and was probably very sad like that that they didn't make an announcement about rueida's next game his that's what i'm saying like i'm sure 90% of the audience at that channel the co-hosts boner was left unfulfilled walked out with blue balls tears well i mean yeah it was a pretty interesting panel talking about their designed decisions um the i mean sudah and rueida in their own ways are much more auteurs for video game design then say the dude from from fallout is or the dude from Bethesda so his was more practical and theirs is very like i come up with an idea and then we brainstorm around it and i am the sort of little center of center that the life of the universe crowds around um right but uh i mean it was really interesting up until the the expected masturbatory how awesome is it being awesome and making awesome games to to ueda um i went to the kojima keynote which was actually really funny that's what everybody said surprising because i mean there's this thing about japanese keynote addresses in japan that are very very dry very very official very sort of boring and kojimos was not i as someone who never played metal gear 2 because i never i mean the msx is never out here i was just really struck by how thematically similar metal gear solid was to metal gear 2 i mean right down to the the exclamation points and question marks and z's um he did insinuate that metal gear going forward would involve radon as its primary character oh wow there you go i seem really excited about that man meh i've never been a giant metal gear guy i mean i played for all the way through and that's the only one i've played all the way through since the nest one i still haven't finished for oh yeah after all that talk yep after all that talk um i went to the left for dead design panel which was pretty interesting uh it must have been fun with the the thing that that kojima focused on was that this in a lot of ways there is a sort of passive aggressive japanese developers use their mind to fix problems and american developers and try to brute force it with technology um but his basic tenant which is interesting is that you have a goal and you try to meet it with technology and software and if you don't then if you can't meet it with technology and software then you go around it you design your way around the problem whereas he implied that a lot of american developers would just try to come up with a software solution to fix that problem um but uh it was really interesting seeing him break down how metal gear was originally supposed to be an action game and breaking down how sprite limitations and just general basic tech limitations on the the msx let him to create a stealth game instead of an action game right nice um so i went to that i went to the left for dead panel which is really interesting they broke down how the the basic design tenant of left for dead is just to make sure that there is no survival unless you work as a team right and i mean the way i think they pretty much accomplished yeah the ways that they talked that they that they went into doing that were uh were pretty pretty efficient and pretty brutal and talked about enemies that didn't make the game and stuff like that i'm having a hard time describing this because anthony is looking so bored anthony is very good at looking bored and disgusted with you specifically with you arthur yeah well i'm just disgusted all the time i realize that none of this is interesting for you and you could barely drag yourself out of the house last week to attend any of these because i i mean i understand that like a lot of the panels are just for people that that are interested in the process of a game being made as opposed to carrying an announcement right so well and that's why you know at uh at gdc when you're a member of the media and people are arranging appointments and stuff for you then it's uh almost always those things happen outside of the actual convention center because inside the convention center really is uh game developers only domain and you know it's like the when i went to see the sony stuff it was at the w hotel when i went to see the online stuff it was at the mama you know almost except for nintendo just about nobody had any like game things inside the actual show yeah yeah well in other yeah another exception of course like well is the the sony 3d stuff which i saw which was actually super impressive i touched on a little bit before um the problem is is that you need an actual special tv in order to make it work and the glasses are just like the glasses you got if you went to see coraline or monsters versus aliens same kind of glasses same technology you just have to have another new expensive television to do it and apparently they've been selling tv's that are quote unquote 3d ready for like a year or two now i just never even heard of that surprised me i'd be curious to know how they did the 3d because i know like uh other companies that 3d displays do it based off of having two screens they're multi-point monitor yeah so i don't know yeah i don't know if this is how it's done or not it the 3d definitely works i've never seen wipe out hd look so fucking awesome i play i yeah i played uh i played uh burnout paradise in 3d and it was actually fairly as well and i did pretty cool um so i think the the two things that i took from the panels i went to uh that actually my people might be interested in were uh this year or i mean from the show floor as well this year it seemed a lot about people looking at engines and graphics solutions that weren't unreal um every single game looks like unreal yeah i'm getting tired of seeing it not only that but i mean i think that that a lot of developers have come to the point where they feel like well maybe unreal isn't our best solution for multi-platform development like we thought it would be so i mean sony's basically the the kill zone panel i went to broke down is this was sony's massacre or massacre massive technical investment um to come up with engine technology that was extremely focused on what the ps3 does well right um and that combined with some really amazing art direction and uh and use of of painterly techniques led to one of the most amazing looking games that have existed they they do things in that game basically they the the scenery in that game is broken down into four fields and they can color correct those like irrespective of each other right and and before one ear perspective was something that was discovered in the art world they used something called atmospheric perspective that used color and the way that things appear uh to establish depth and so they have that going on as well as i mean near perspective is native to that kind of environment um and it creates a more believable scene um one of the cool thing the cool the interesting thing about that is that i went to the the indie game the indie rant panel and they just had i think half a dozen indie developers come up and rant and uh one of the one of the developers there their five-minute rant was about how uh most game most game developers are using the technology incorrectly he was saying instead of trying to instead of trying to pre-process everything in terms of textures and normal mapping and all that glorious good stuff to make it look as realistic as possible save that save that budget and post-process the hell out of everything doing things like atmospheric perspective doing thing like post-processing the image stylizing it somehow putting filters over the camera you know being really creative because nobody is being creative in that space they're all trying to do this same sort of realism and i thought that was really interesting it sounds a little bit like what the Killzone 2 guys did is they did they act they actually involved their engine a little bit more in post-processing yeah they killzone 2 and uncharted 2 or uncharted are based on something called deferred rendering which is a forward rendering which is what most take 3d engines use right now renders everything at once like they bring all the geometry and lighting together and all that crap deferred rendering basically does all the calculations for a scene for all the different passes and then draws the scene so it just waits to draw a scene and that's a little more memory heavy but it's much more efficient processor wise and shader wise um dead space also uses deferred rendering it seems like it's a technique that they're using for multi-platform development and for scalable systems Starcraft 2 is using deferred rendering i wouldn't be surprised dl with 3 is using deferred rendering um but there are certain things it doesn't do well that that were covered in the Killzone panel like it doesn't do skin very well like it doesn't do diffusion well like light diffusion very well and that's something that's important for skin which is i mean uncharted looks really great yeah if you look at uncharted if you look at the skin it is kind of plasticky yeah it is I mean and then of course I saw Cry Engine 3 or whatever the new Crytek engine which is amazing it basically I mean I saw Japanese developers looking at it and tittering to each other excitedly as they watch this guy develop a level on pc and have it simultaneously running out to ps3 and 360 dev kits in real time yes in real time I heard that was super awesome it was really impressive and uh it was actually I mean it it ran better on the 360 than it did on the ps3 still I wanted to I want to be able to play with this shit you know I hate like going to a convention like this and seeing all these cool awesome toys that developers get to use as long as they can license it for a couple hundred thousand dollars I mean the other cool thing about it was that it had a layer system like Photoshop so like people could check out layers and work on them simultaneously but uh this week uh the Killzone 4D sort of promotion thing is available yeah that's where you sort of look through the different layers of exactly where they talk about their own matt passes and lighting and all that um the other thing I saw was the Mass Effect panel well yeah this is ephemeral fantasia oh um you know one thing we were talking about uncharted earlier yeah someone on the Bioware team needs to hook up with them naughty dogs because the hair in the Bioware games looks terrible which is actually unfortunately something that deferred rendering deferred rendering also doesn't do very well is is hair for the same reasons um but basically the breakdown of the Mass Effect panel was that one of the reasons that uh Mass Effect was as late as it was and one of the reasons for its performance issues and its ridiculously long elevators was that their planning fell apart yeah they ran into problems sort of towards the back end of development well not just that but they just didn't have enough figured out beforehand when they got to a certain part in development they just spun their wheels and did something that's called churn and in the development community and just could not get past certain milestones until other things were finished and like the planet where you find Lyara and Mass Effect was originally supposed to be this huge world on par with any of the other worlds that you went to oh and they cut out virtually all of it because of that kind of shit like oh that's that was one of the more interesting earlier missions and again we should uh wrap up this up only because uh we're at an hour and 50 minutes already yeah well so basically the Mass Effect 2 tickles my balls you gave me some better hair in there um but basically it's something the other thing other than than changing graphics technology from unreal is that it seems like developers are realizing that their planning needs to be much more methodical than it ever has been because fucked up planning that might have ended up in like a two-month delay in previous generations now it goes like a two and a half year delay at least at least but uh it does leave me to believe that Mass Effect will come out on time at the very least so Tyler you can maintain that ephemeral Fantasia until early next year in fact I don't want that game it's I think it'll be on I actually think that we'll be seeing Mass Effect 2 before we see Dragon Age but hmm interesting that panel but they have their shit much more together so hopefully there won't be any like three frames per second moments yeah or super long elevator load times I've still disappointed the PC version of Mass Effect plays like crap and crashes all the time does it it does an XP yep that's disappointing yep because it looks amazing and the inventory system doesn't blow all true yeah if you were bored then then you probably would have been bored if you were bored over this talk you probably would have been bored at GDC true it's probably a good way to put it I don't know for for it's kind of hard to be in in games media in any in any sense without finding without kind of geeking out over a lot of this stuff it's just some of it does venture into technical territory like I know that you have a tech background and I'm I'm reasonably tech savvy so a lot of stuff I'd actually get but yeah there's definitely stuff that yay I guarantee you there's gonna be plenty of people listening to this who had no fucking clue what you were saying much like I didn't different what it's kind you guys see excite bots I saw a couple screenshots and stuff on that it's actually cool really yeah like I it's this is this is the first time in a long time that I kind of regret not having a week does no one in your house have a we Ryan has a we so but I think that'll be me not having a we because it's like a bit trip beat came out a week ago and I'm like this game is fucking awesome mad world came out and let's tap that's coming out yeah exactly you can borrow and then now that you want super punch out is available you know as a download and then punch out and excite bots looks actually super cool I mean it's like bots is that kind of like spore meets mario cart it's uh it's kind of more like it's more like mario cart meets transformers in our excite truck meets transformers or excite truck meets transformers only excite truck was fucking boring so yeah but you get to like build your bot that's what I'm saying like do you get to design it so maybe I mean they didn't see that but race right okay so but I don't know if there's any building involved but if there isn't any building involved they've really not capitalize build your own robot punch out is the weekend that I'm looking forward to and as for mad world I I enjoyed house the dead overkill more than I've enjoyed mad world throw that out there there enough I think we'll take a break yeah come back with some letters mmm mmm mmm mmm nothing is true what do you think that you are doing? is the food the food or the food that you are food that you have and maybe I just don't see the reason but in the core of my heart your ignorance is treason and there's always another point of yeah so now we have letters this one's from mark j did rebel FM crew I enjoyed your discussion on race and racism in our e5 but I feel you were missing a couple of things black people that's not what he says but it's his gist I thought it would have been a more interesting discussion had one of you had your black game journalist friend on if there are any I know he wouldn't speak for the entire race but having a different point of view from someone it would actually affect would make it better or have a black gamer on I was free and I do freelance writing or just walking open and talk to people about it I am not gonna walk around Oakland no have you played this game when you shoot black people also if any of you guys listen to did you say I was free and I'm a freelancer yes he did well it's not like I have your phone number true does it count it's like every game that you create a character in I always make some black Tyler does play as a black person say every time your back on the inside say your questions also did any of you guys listen to this one podcast would you think of their comments they pretty much slam you guys and weren't being sarcastic I hey but I enjoy your show though even if I can't relate to most of you aside from gaming living in the barrier writing and being in my 20s sincerely mark I don't know any black gaming journalists that live in the Bay Area I do well Sterling oh he's Sterling black yes I have no idea I haven't met Sterling I mean we know Tory but he wasn't available that day got 99 problems I'm trying to figure out how that factors in I did show it to a black friend of mine and there were definitely parts that she found questionable but I mean I we've covered it as far as whether or not we listen to the podcasting question which I'm not going to name I think it's stupid to duck shit about other podcasts on your podcast I think it's childish and immature oh wait I just kind of talked shit about another podcast didn't I you did no I mean whatever they have their opinion I was hella meta there it's my humor is up here so so far up there that most people never see it you should respect my my right to not respect their opinions fucking I mean whatever they're entitled to their opinion I don't see the point in getting a new shit-string contest so I don't know if we get a new shit-string contest in like four of their four listeners come over and listen to our show that'd be rad just so they could hear the shit-string man just kidding uh shit storm next letter uh this is from Aaron C I love the stories about MMO experiences I don't play MMOs never have probably never will nonetheless the absurdity of calling a friend will want to date to see if he's located your heart and armor is larry's I wish Arthur wouldn't do the whole this is boring and I'm fixed snoring shtick it reminds you the the Anthony I'm gonna sit here quietly and stare at you shtick I feel like Arthur you should read this letter looking in the mirror oh it reminds me of when I was younger and my friends would best my boss for playing RPGs instead of cool interesting games I use sports and FPS this is video games are inherently nerdy Arthur embrace it um I just like to say that while other people were playing the cool sports game and FPS this is his I was playing Dungeons and Dragons so it's not like I think I'm cooler I just think it gets boring hearing about how people ding to 80 it's okay I mean I don't judge Anthony for playing Warhammer I owned Warhammer pieces too though he does judge me a little bit when I'm playing Warcraft in my bed a little bit yes all right in your underpants yeah that's more judging you than judging people playing the game next I blame me next way uh my time here it's on the way was it the dinner that I made it could be I think you ate it too fast my tummy feels fine yeah feel good I'm just gonna go cry after I finish reading these letters I have a perfect sucks no I ate too fast I have a problem I hate your opinions you're a huge student like kid in Oakland who worked at GameStop I don't know the games this is boring I just it just isn't that interesting to me that sort of means you think it's boring no the panels I just didn't think are that interesting anyways this is from Nathan W Nathan W hi guys I love your podcast it's pretty much the only one I always listen to so keep up the good work this guy knows how the good is letter red anyway my question is related to the idea of trading in games that you discussed during a recent episode you see I wanted to know your thoughts on renting games do you think of renting games in the same way as you do for trading in games no renting the renting games is fine I mean god it's a it's a that's like how I was like thankfully able to play half the games I was able to play as a child like if it wasn't for renting games I never would we have a why is renting games okay and buying used games not because I mean the argument could be made that a lot of people buy games use that they wouldn't be able to buy new I don't know I don't feel like the people that go out and rank games are the same people that go out and buy games very often I mean that's that's just me making an anecdotal argument from my own life like when I was a little kid and I rented games it was because I couldn't afford to buy them but then once I had disposable income and I could buy games I chose to buy games as opposed to renting them like I don't know and plus it was also a rule with my family that I was never allowed to buy any video game until I rented it first so that was a renting meant buying for me as a child so math do you have an opinion on this but well I mean didn't I mean in terms of how buying used games doesn't really help the developers yeah well like how a lot of people say buying used games is bad right well like renting renting games I think is actually completely different because when you rent a game you've actually you're renting something that somebody had to buy in order to rent it to you and usually there usually there's like kinds of there's fees there's like licensing fees attached on to rental properties that aren't attached to to purchasing a game and so in that situation you're actually doing more to help the game developer a lot more to help a game developer publisher whatever then you are if you're trading in games and buying used games and then the video started turns around and sells it used right no man I I was a manager at Blockbuster for a long time and I handled our games and I had a system in my head for how quickly that should be turned around the second that it didn't rent like a certain number of times a week it's like used then I would call all the game stops and say hey how much are you selling this for of that we'll sell it for less um I don't know I think that yeah renting is a good way to try out a game I mean I'm 60 dollars is a lot of money yeah I mean before they went in your other house like five dollars there was renting yeah as a child yeah I mean 60 dollars is a lot of money but so is like 55 or 50 dollars which is usually what the used game price is at GameStop you know it's usually five or ten bucks it's true I think that a lot of people when they buy used games don't buy them used right away but that is definitely a good point um you know I think with used games in general as long as you don't walk up to your game shelf and every fucking spine in your collection has a yellow used sticker on it you know as long as you got a good ratio of non-yellow stickers to clean spines you're okay but I think at this point the only used games I buy are from last gen yeah occasionally we picked up some used ones because of the only copy they had yeah I think I bought a used version of Guitar Hero 3 as an act of spite I'm sure they are not missing them yeah I know obviously not yeah uh hey guys I thought I would ask you all a simple question what game if any completely changed the way you thought about video games as an entertainment I thought I'd ask a hard-ass question it's really fun simple uh I'll tell you in a second for me it would have to be shadow the Colossus this game is a work of art everything about it had such a perfect sense of scale purpose and beauty I go back to my mention of masturbatory the way the questions uh is exhibit a happy pagan sandman 220 nice sand man sand man sand man no no B I actually don't even know a game completely changed my life I can't even for me I know change your view of games as an entertainment medium I can definitely remember early on the I mean I was probably like seven years old I played a boy in his blob and just sort of like having to realize like wow you know you really have to think with this catch up jelly bean means your blob catches up with you I guess I guess I can think of one for me it was a outcast for PC and uh that game completely changed it because that game's such a cinematic experience it really is yep if you don't know what I'm talking about go out and buy it bitches I love that you could get I love that you could get through it in like an hour and a half if you knew exactly the right timing on everything it's true how about you Matt um well our company is named area five for a reason it's named after the fifth area of res yes and I'm just nodding listening to Matt as Anthony lights I'm listening to every word Matt says sorry I just like you you I think the last time I was on a podcast with you you were lighting your feet on I really I really like to burn lint off my socks we're yeah we're not kidding let me say like he's holding a lighter up to his foot yeah sorry I like to burn lint off my socks it does a good you it does a really cool thing if you i'm not judging i'm not judging you have a lot of your socks and you touch it a lighter to just barely it'll like cascade fire across your whole foot and then it smells like burnt feet in the living room I'm sorry that's okay so area five yes which is a reference to the fifth area of res and uh res res is an easy one for me to go to because it evolved my view of gaming as an adult and you know it it changed it it changed it like the moment the moment I played res uh I'd always thought that you know that games could be a a grown-up medium and artistic expression as well as a sport and all the other good stuff that gaming is good for but I think res was the one where I was like oh well now I really have something to point to whereas like when somebody asks me I can put them in front of this game and even if they can't play it I can explain it to them and they would go I agree with you fair enough that was by the best answer out of all the answers yeah I mean mine doesn't mine doesn't hold up as well now but I think it was it was either flashback or out of this world I think that they did it like do you have any idea what I'm talking about oh yeah I was actually gonna bring up out of this world when Matt was talking about that because it because it was super cinematic like it was just like super well animated it was I mean it was polygonal like in a 2d sense right right um flashback was super cinematic had a really deep story it was super interesting to me that the thing that was really interesting about out of this world was that it had almost this eco connection where but not not completely because you had a companion that was with you some of the time that's true and he was stronger than you so instead of like eco where you were you know you were a bit more capable than um I can't remember yorda yorda uh and then in this case your companion that came around every now and then you know could actually do things you couldn't and he was green yeah so and he said my tool bar really does I believe you I don't remember that but that's awesome uh okay I think we have one more um this is from Tim from Olympia Washington I don't know who exactly it was that made the comment on the latest rebel FM but Jedi form Jedi porn exists I myself am the proud owner of porn wars episodes one two and three while the videos are generally awful since the cast clearly does not actually speak English and the effects while high quality for porn are comparable to the cheapest fan films the series has its redeeming qualities one it is porn after all two there's the use of the force to remove their two there's the use of the force to remove clothing but not the way that we were talking about like I wanted Anthony to use the force to rip off his pants like an NBA player yeah right like break away stuff yeah exactly except not break away like it's just the force is so strong this is why Jedi are supposed to be celibate huh so they can't use the force to do exactly that kind of thing great power great responsibility yeah exactly uh I'm just thinking of Dr. Manhattan's shit in the sex scene it's terrible uh and number three dodo lightsabers that seems like it would hurt then there's a link to check it out for ourselves thank you thanks love the show keep it going so in the future all letters now can be sent to either myself or Arthur you can find our emails on the contact page at eat sleep game.com or it's or it's AG's light saber dildo sleep dot com that would know i'll just create a new email address light saber dildo's at eat sleep game dot com yeah so eat sleep game dot com yeah AG's at eat dash sleep dash game dot com or chuff money at the same and I'm actually just gonna create a letters at eat dash sleep dash game dot com email letters as well so that I have for next time around but for now you can send letters to us we will get to them um we're still gonna be doing game club even if we fail week behind as game club is often to do as it will release from where it comes from yeah I mean this one of the fun this almost didn't happen this week due to gdc plagues and recoveries and general catastrophe but uh but yeah hey tyler where can we find you on the web this week i found a girl that i love the most and i found a girl and her name is jacoco yeah that was so awesome did i like blink in time went forward or something i was there on a different question so when tyler had two more beers that was a rather large red stripe though it was we need to get you to do our new so you can actually find tyler at twitter dot com slash dirty tea as in the drink right i'm glad that you remembered that the brand named drink so that's awesome um it sounds like a really crappy energy drink right i can be found twitter dot com slash chuff money chuff money dot blogspot dot com on e-sleeve game as well now at game spy where i am an associate editor you want to grant you more specific game spy dot com game spy dot com yeah i mean i've already said it a few times i mean a subsidiary of of IGN and fox interactive media i'd just like to take a moment and say congratulations dickhole yeah it's nice to have a job again uh are you getting any spy gadgets for working there no but i did get a fox interactive media laptop book tyler i hate you for making that joke do you feel like you're better able to communicate so the i will be able to be heard on the games by debrief rings podcast starting tomorrow oh is that happening tomorrow and then uh as well as uh you know my writings will be up on games by uh right now all i have some new stories but i'll be doing the review of chronicles riddick dark tina as well oh i want to play that so i'll be bringing that home this weekend i'll let you guys know how that is as well as uh i'll have a all have a preview coming up soon of prototype and um transformers and transformers so that's stuff you guys can look forward to me there against by dot com mat where can we find you uh on twitter i'm talking orange and area five dot tv and our show co-op is on revision three as well which you can find at our site or you can find it on revision three dot com slash co-op you are also on iTunes yes yes our show is on iTunes thank you Arthur so search for co-op on iTunes and like depending on subscribe and review yeah i make it my point to know more about your show than you yeah apparently well the cool thing is is there's also three different subscription levels you can subscribe for like the low res one or the full hd one depending on your bandwidths nice and uh there's also one other thing that i wanted to bring up is that there's a new mod out for days x the original days x day called the nameless mod and it's apparently been seven years in the making and i really need to play this except that i can't find my days x days game tap no i don't i can well let me let me talk because we were pretty good with this i'm gonna game tap maybe we can get you nice so the the thing the thing about uh the thing about this mod is it's seven years in the making but basically the the premise is that it takes place inside of a days x forum like an online forum like okay like the forums that planted days x or you know that kind of thing and uh it's and uh the one article that i read about it online said that you would think that this would make this like the ultimate insiders thing that you really don't want to pay attention to it would be super annoying and it has a lot of weird quirkiness stuff to it definitely because it is some of that but apparently the attention to detail is so stunning that it overshadows any of that and it's imminently playable and you can be a part of two different factions and depending on and there is some overlap in the missions but there are different maps different npc's different voice actors and everything from both factions and both faction playthroughs can take between 10 and 15 hours so it's like a 30 hour game and it's like apparently the voice acting overall for the main characters is pretty good it couldn't be worse than the voice acting it couldn't be worse in the original games voice acting honestly yeah true but like i i'm like man i hear it but i hear i read about this i'm like i gotta play this shit so i'm just putting that out there because it seems like something that would be worth it to the gamer audience to investigate i wish that some group would do like a black mace's source type remake of Deus Ex like it's such an amazing game and it's so hard to get back into because it is not aged well visually and control wise at all you we're in the humans find you the same place as always twitter.com/AEGIS/e-sleep-game.com i should actually be putting up some stuff this week that isn't bumming people out although maybe it will bum people out who knows. 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