The Moscow Murders and More

Criminologist Casey Jordan Discusses The Murders In Moscow

From the archives: 12-25-22

As the days continue to slip by and turn into weeks without an arrest in the murders in Moscow, we are hearing from more experts about the sort of person could be capable of such a heinous crime.

In this episode, we hear from criminologist Casey Jordan who offers her opinion and profile on the would be murderer.

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Idaho Murderer a 'Predator Psychopath' Who Could Kill Again—Criminologist (newsweek.com)

Duration:: 12m
Broadcast on:: 31 Dec 2024
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What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Criminologist Casey Jordan did an interview with Brian Enten over at News Nation and he was discussing who this killer might be as far as a profile. And I thought it was a pretty interesting interview. So today we have an article from Newsweek that is discussing this interview. Headline, Idaho murderer, a predator psychopath who could kill again, criminologist. This article was authored by Julia Carbonaro. Now remember folks, all of this gets taken with a grain of salt. This is just speculation on Mr. Jordan's part. He is not part of this investigation. He's not working behind the scenes, but he is a professional criminologist who builds profiles on killers and psychopaths. And what he had to offer here was pretty interesting. And it jives with what I think as well. If this isn't somebody who is in their circle, right? Because usually it's the likeliest option, is somebody that's close to them, somebody that knows them. But that doesn't mean that it's always somebody that knows them or somebody who is in their circle. And nothing about this case has been normal. Nothing about this investigation has been by the book. So I wouldn't be shocked at all if we come to find out later on down the road that this was some psychopath who committed these crimes and it wasn't a crime of passion and it wasn't somebody who was stalking these girls per se like a college stalker or something. It was a legit psychopath. I would not be shocked one bit if we find that information out later on. On the flip side of that, I wouldn't be shocked either. If we do find out that it was a crime of passion. Because we just don't have enough details one way or the other as the public, at least that I have seen, that would make me say, "All right, look, this is definitely what went down." Because there's just not enough out there. As the case of four murdered University of Idaho students, now in its six week remains unsolved, a criminologist shared her theory that the suspect might be a predator psychopath. Talking to news nation on Thursday, criminologist Casey Jordan, who has recently made several media appearances to talk about the quadruple murder, said that the lack of clues in the case might suggest that the suspect didn't personally know the four victims. And that makes a lot of sense to me, considering how good the technology is and considering how many agents are working on this case and considering how small of a place Moscow is, you would think that if it was somebody in their circle or somebody in their orbit, that they would have already been found. Again, take a look at what happened in Stockton recently with the Stockton serial killer who was shooting homeless people. After it was brought to the attention of the authorities and they dove into some of the forensics and some of the evidence, they were able to find the person who was responsible pretty quickly and he was killing strangers. So if it's somebody in your circle, somebody close to you, and there's any evidence at all, usually they'll be able to track that relatively quickly. If it's not solved in the first 48 hours or in the first week, we are losing a bit of hope of solving the case, because for me, the longer it takes for them to isolate a suspect or to get any kind of lead, the more likely it is to be somebody who is a stranger predator, Jordan said. And that just seems like the logical way to go, right? If it was somebody that they knew, somebody that somebody could have pointed to, you would think that with all of the investigators swarming over Moscow that they would have wrapped somebody up by now. And the fact that they have no suspect, the fact that there's no people of interest, at least that we know about, well, we have to start thinking that perhaps this was, after all, just a random attack by a psychopath. Because if it was somebody known to the students or in the area, far more likely they would have had leads and had made an arrest by now, or at least they would have told us that they have a person of interest. And this really tracks with me because following along with these cases about history, past few years, that's usually how it goes down. And if it's somebody close, it doesn't take very long for them to figure that out usually and at the very least have a person of interest. You know, somebody they've brought in multiple times to interview, somebody that, you know, there's a leak from the department. Yep, this is the person we're looking at. And there has been nothing like that in this case. So we can go several different ways with that, right? One way, the police are just doing great investigative work and they're keeping everything close to their vest. The flip side of that, well, they have nothing, and that's why they're not offering anything up. Six weeks after the bodies of students, Ethan Chapin, Zana Carnotl, Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalves were found in an off-campus rental home in Moscow, Idaho on November 13th. The police have not found the murder, weapon, or have they identified a suspect or a motive. According to the county coroner who examined the victim's bodies, the students were likely attacked and stabbed to death while they were asleep, some presented defensive wounds. Now, I don't know how much faith I have in this coroner. When you do a little research about her, she's not even a medical doctor. So she's out here talking about this one got stabbed or that one got stabbed. This one was asleep, that one was awake. What makes her qualified to make those decisions or make those assertions? If she's not a medical doctor, I mean, really? Moscow police, supported in the investigations by Idaho State Police and the FBI, have received thousands of tips from the public and is currently processing them, hoping to find a crucial clue that will help them crack the case. Based on the lack of clues surrounding the quadruple murder, Jordan speculated that, from the onset, the attack would look like the psychology of a predator similar to a serial killer. She specified that she doesn't necessarily think the suspect or suspects have killed before, but she wouldn't be surprised if this person does it again. And that's certainly something that is a fear. Anybody following cases like this and you have an unknown assailant out there who has killed four people, you have to think that they're capable of doing it again. And the probability of them killing again is pretty high. You know how it is, you get away with something, you want to keep doing it, right? Oh, they can't catch me, you become brazen. And if they have the, you know, the psychology of a serial killer or of a psychopath, which it certainly seems they do, what would stop them from killing again? That's the real question. We don't see homicides like this. Four people stabbed, not shot, and it's not a family. So it's not family annihilation, she added. It doesn't appear to be a pseudo commando, a premeditated mass murder, driven by the killer's revenge fantasies, just based on what we know about the crime scene. So if there was a family annihilation, that would make more sense, gruesome, but it makes sense. Somebody has a problem with a family, a drug debt, somebody has whatever the perceived beef is, and they come in and murder a whole family. We have certainly seen that before, but with a knife like this in such a brutal fashion, nah, this isn't very typical, folks. This isn't the kind of case where you can go back and look at the annals of history and pull out a bunch of cases that are relevant to what we have going on here. Jordan said that if the quadruple murder had been driven by revenge, we would have a suspect by now. Moscow police had initially stated that the attack was targeted, and I definitely agree with her 1,000% here. I think that if it was somebody in the circle, somebody close to them, hell, somebody who lived in Moscow, they'd be outed by now. The Moscow community, you don't think that they're on high alert? You don't think that they're paying attention to their neighbors and their friends and everybody around them? And furthermore, where's the Elantra? Did it just up and disappear? Because if it was in Moscow, you would definitely think that somebody would be wise to it. Oh, yeah, so-and-so has that Elantra. Have they come forward yet? Oh, they haven't. So without any of that occurring, it certainly leads me down the road, and not fully obviously, I always wait for all of the evidence, but to this being a stranger who attacked them. But now they're not sure, Jordan told News Nation. When we see killings like this, it seems to be based usually in fantasy, and since there was no sexual assault, it's not what we would consider to be hedonistic lust more likely to be thrill-based, and that is just insane to think about. Imagine just killing people for the thrill of it? Imagine what kind of lunatic you have to be to think it's a good idea to kill a bunch of people for the thrill of it? According to Jordan, the suspect could be somebody who is not killing out of an extreme frenetic emotion, but possibly who feels no emotion, somebody who may be completely psychopathic to the extent that they want to know what it feels like to kill four young people and get away with it. And if they like that feeling, you can be sure they might think about doing it again. And that's where I fall right now for sure. I really believe that whoever did this is more than capable of doing it again, and wherever they might be, Moscow or a community near you, they pose a risk for everybody around them. Question by News Nation's Brian Enten earlier on the same show, Moscow Police Chief James Fry said they can't disclose any information about where they think the killer might be as they're still trying to put everything together. Now remember, they know a lot more than they're leading on, and I'm sure that Chief Fry has, you know, a couple of leads that they're chasing down, and he doesn't want to divulge that to the public to destroy the integrity of this investigation. So he's playing it real close to the vest. The difficult part here is to try and discern just how much they actually have and if that information that they do have is going to be relevant moving forward. So whenever we get the opinion of one of these criminologists or somebody who is building a profile like this, I like to add it to the catalog so we have as much context as possible. And hopefully as the context starts to pile up and the investigators get closer to finding a suspect and making an arrest, the picture will become much clearer. All right everybody, that's going to do it for this one. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can find me on Twitter @B-O-B-B-Y_C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that I discussed can be found in the description box.