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How would you describe your gold jacket? Yes. It's a little buffer, a little liberal. She allowed a lot of Rachi, maybe. Yeah. If you wanted to make a name. Oh, yes. Or or I'd say more. Who's the guy who said come on down? Roddy, Roddy for prices, right? Oh, Bob Barker. No, no, Roddy, Roddy. Wasn't Roddy, Roddy. I thought it was his rod, right? But I think it was Roddy, Roddy. He had like Roddy on the back of his jacket. Oh, there was his show, his stage name. He would always wear a jacket like this or something. Come on down. That guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The next contestant on the price is right. Imagine that. I mean, that was a whole job back. She was a great job and he was good at it. You know, I was a guy. Imagine all the old silver bitties. He would, you know, bring home and who knows who you go to crew. You would go on crew speaking a cruise ship. Oh, he would, he would clean up. Yeah. Blue haired ladies, you know, on the cruise ship, I spent a decent amount of time on the cruise ship casino. Really? And so the way they work things with the cruise ship is you basically your room key is also you're like, you know, you're debit card for the crew. So perfect. Hey, you want to drink, you slide it. Yeah. Oh, you're doing this thing. You slide it marker for 1000. Well, and you can put your, you can put your credit card or your room key card in the slot machine. Oh, hey, you want to put $200 on your room. And it goes right into the slot machine. So the slot. Now if you like, if you like slots, it's a great, great way to just load up on some, on some casino credits or cruise credits and just instantly turn them into some slot play. So feels dangerous. Where are we? Where are all these room charges, honey? Yeah, they just are vaguely listed as entertainment on the carnival cruise bill. So a lot of entertainment to be had on the old cruise ship, but we're back. I didn't order to spawn 1000 dollars. No, that wasn't me. Yeah. I mean, you could really, and you could really get more. They didn't have the NFL slot machine. I think I would have, I don't know, like none of the other slot machines really are that interesting. Plus the craps table was pretty fun. It was $10 minimum. So you could just play for a really long, real craps. Yeah. And it was a stable table. Nothing, nothing on the ocean and his captain make a little move. If you're winning, you know, there is something to it. And shout out to, I met a cruise buddy named Marco. He also loved Betty. He's a big sports gambler as well. I mean, you could tell we were kindred spirits when he was rocking a Bitcoin shirt. So immediately chatting him up, he's already just talking, talking sports gambling. So I don't own a Bitcoin shirt. I'm just trying to think at the intensity level I'd have to be at to be owning a point. He was, yeah, he likes the t-shirt. He's a big fan of Bitcoin conference attendant, maybe of Bitcoin, maybe, but Bitcoin is in your bio though, Kramer. I saw that the other day, not alpha male and parentheses, but I'm thinking about a degree below that. I just, I feel, I mean, oftentimes I'm completely blind to things that are happening out there in the wild, but someone followed me the other day. And in the name, in their name, parentheses, alpha male. And I even texted Sean. I said, is this a serious thing? What's going on? Yeah, that's definitely serious. You got to let the betas know. And I, I just chuckled to myself, like, wow, imagine being an alpha male in real life and thinking this is the best way to represent it. Yeah, on social media, alpha males, there's a lot of alpha male content, what parentheses are so beta to genre background. Is it a joke? I know parentheses are very demure. As I say, they very whisper in it. It's a T he of punctuation, if you will. Hey, alpha male. Maybe don't use parentheses. And now you're now your brackets are pretty alpha. Yeah. For sure. Fuck. Do they should learn about the pipe, Sean? But it's definitely worked. It definitely got in your head and you're right. Like a Python course. Kramer's fired up about his social media. That's what I mean. And you're fine. You're firing alpha males insults to your fans. I've been very engaged. I've also been like very deep into the discord streets, DMing with a lot of people. Coach Leach is turning into a fucking mechanized AI assassin. Yeah, occasionally a human and actual human gets taken out. I apologize. It's to keep the street safe. Yeah. All the, all the discord spam getting cleaned up. So if you're, if you're not in discord, good time to hop in. Tej in the chat, saying CJ with gold dust was the jacket. Yes. Paint his face gold and he is gold dust 100%. That was, I mean, well, you got to give it the WWE ahead of its time appealing to their like potential gay viewers with the creation of the gold dust character or maybe wrestling's gay is getting, says he gets any way. All of wrestling. I guess he was, he was like so overtly obvious. What do you mean? He was the tester. They were seeing where the audience was at. And names like Brutus beefcake for crying out. What do you mean? Gold dust was probably ready to accept. I mean, if you haven't seen the South Park rassel in episode, it's one of the, it's what they've made a lot of great episodes over the years, but their rassel in episode is one of the greatest. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's gay as shit. It always happens. Right. But we're just oiling up dudes in traumatic stuff. And I don't mean it choreographed. Yeah, no, I don't even mean it to make it sound like erotic. It's just, it's something that enough for you. You can only be into if you're a child. It is always a little bit of a step back when you find someone that's into it as an adult. I mean, Billy Bahate, host of the soccer gambling podcast, wrestling fan. Yeah. We, I mean, it's, it's it's hard not to have a chuckle directly in his face when he's traveling across the pond to come watch a wrestling. Also the idea because it does work around the sport. So it's a little bit, I can, I can at least accept that. Well, also in my mind, I, I stereotype wrestling fans is Hicks and, and stuff like that. So when someone of the British accent is talking about the, uh, how awesome WrestleMania is going to be. And you're flying over the pond. Uh, let me just get some black tea before we go watch WrestleMania. Like a guy with the English accent toss talking about wrestling. It's good theater. Yeah. Well, because of course the English accent, it's supposed to be like, Hey, you're smarter than everyone else. And then you're talking about oiled up dudes wrestling. Yeah. Well, they're priced out those Hicks you're talking about. Those fans exist, but they're not going there anymore. They're not going to rest on the record. It's crazy. It's not, it used to be about the mom and pop wrestling. It really, I mean, I guess when you go across the conch, I was talking to someone who is, who also works in the wrestling, uh, in the business. And like, you know, he's WrestleMania is in Vegas this year. You know, and it's very, very expensive. And he's like, if you didn't work for it, I don't understand how you could possibly go. You know, it's like family is like, but they do travel country for his shows and I'm he's like, what do you do? There's still some backwards prices going on there. It's still wrestling when he gets down into it. Cause you know, uh, they're not, uh, they're not telling all that. Um, those wrestlers aren't coming out to on a Tuesday night and Boise, you know, whatever. Yeah. There's a lot of like backup shows. If you think about it though, like there are so many like wrestling events where people are making no month, like they're basically like an open mic. How, how is it? Is it just a simple form of watching two dudes oiled up? I will say in this for creating friction like in this guy. Like, uh, people are going to reach out. We're going to be very upset. We're going to get the portion of our audience that likes likes pack McAfee is going to reach out and they're going to be upset. No, I know. And McAfee is, uh, yeah, so good at the promo. I'm for sure. And I believe he's going to be like, yeah, like Joe Rogan is the UFC. He's going to be a for WWE. I went to LA wrestling event from, but, but he gave us tickets out here here. Um, but it's events that role who like to say he works in wrestling lives down on the, on the night side of you. Yeah. As we like to say, um, not too far from here. Yeah. Yeah. On the, on, on the good side. Um, but he's like, yeah, come by, you know, whatever I got to say free tickets. I'm like, I don't know, you know, what is that? It's club. What in it? You get into it. It's like going, it's like going to prices. Right. Like you get star struck and like, and it's loud. These fuckers are slight. You know, they're slamming each other. It's loud and they're doing, you know, they do the intro and all of a sudden you're like, that was like a kid. And you can scream whatever you want at them. And it's much different. Like when it's in a tight little venue, I guess. I went to a small, like I'm like right next to you like this, calling you a, you know, a piece of whatever. Well, didn't get hurt at those too. Like it's a little bit more real. They clear out the chairs are hitting you right that and they come and they get right in your face. It was, uh, I wasn't going to hate on it. I'm not going to say it. It may not be, it may not be, uh, maybe scripted, but it's real. That's the, that's the response. We got some sports entertainment, got a lot of props, uh, air bets in the chat saying Jerry Judy over. Now that DTR is pinched, totally, totally agree with that. I don't know about that. You don't, you don't like it. I think that's, uh, you guys are getting excited about Bailey's. Happy? Well, anyone bit DTR DTR is like the worst quarterback, uh, in the past three years. So I think Bailey's happy can get Jerry Judy to 50 receiving yards, especially against the Raven secondary and especially considering there might be like a crazy amount of garbage time in this game. But let's get to it. Let's talk props. Uh, the, the offerings right now we're taping this late night Thursday. There's a lot of stuff that's kind of out there. Some stuff they're waiting. I think some stuff where like backups are going to be playing their hesitant to offer some numbers, but, uh, I definitely found a enough stuff here to fill out a nice card. Kramer. Do you want to go first? What's your first prop you like? I mean, do you want to get the obvious stuff out of the way? Well, well, it's contracting set of weeks. Wait, wait, I haven't heard anything about this. We've been, we've been breaking this down for weeks now. Yeah, sports gambling podcast, but there are as some people know, as the ball know, knowers know that there are some, um, it turns out these players get bonuses based on a statistical output, Sean. So it's not just about championships. It is a little bit about a personal and individual goal here, but one that we were, we've been discussing is the Mike Evans one. Yeah, this yardage prop is climbing rapidly. 96 and a half is what I bet it. And you like the under over now. Would you rather take his yards or anytime touchdown for me? Well, it's funny. I wrote that down. 96 and a half receiving yards minus one 10, but then I also added the anytime minus one 30. Uh, here's the reason why if you don't want to do the, the, the contract incentives where he basically the long and short of it is he's going to get a shitload of contract bonuses. A lot of them have to do with them making the playoffs, winning a certain amount of games and him like finishing in the top 10 in certain categories. He's already finished all of them. So a lot of misreporting in this category, but he does have a million dollars on the line for catches and 85, 85 yards, five catches. Yeah, I've written down five for 85 for three million. Yeah. So this is where I went deep. I actually went, I went to, and shout out to, is it spot rack or spa track? I go spot track, but there's only one teeth. I don't know if that track. So they have a, I mean, and going forward, this will be the reason, but they basically have a page for each team with all of the various contract. Quite an interesting to see what players get for like awards and stuff like that. But a lot of what is being reported as this three million dollars, he's basically already locked in because they're top of your category bonuses. So like he, yes, he could fall outside the top 10 in some of these things, but he's unlikely to do that. And so, and he's not even I guess guaranteed technically to go eight for a five for 85 and get those ones, but I would almost assume those ones in, he's got a million dollars in the line in this game. And more importantly, he's, he sucks against this team. His whole career, he has sucked against, a lot of more hat is done. And Latimer's gone. So I actually, you know, contract incentives aside. Oh, and, and just the incentive that they really need to win this game. Mike Evans is their best player. They're just going to give him a ton of water. I will say them. The concerning part would be that the matchup favors, like just give it to bucky urban 35 times or we're running 35 times. Is there maybe an exact band? You know, they do like 85 to 96 yards. I don't know. I don't want to mess around with that. And taking it. But I do want to mess around with it. That's why I'm trying to toss it out there. I'm saying, you know, because once he gets over, they're not going to have them out there for when they're up by 21. Yeah. Well, it's true. And because they're going to be popping big game quickly. Yeah, I play a, yeah, he can. I kind of like the touchdown, the best out of anything, but the yards also probably good there. I liked the right out of the wrestling playbook. Why not? Because we all, everyone's watching. We gave team for these contract incentives. Why not have a briefcase of money in the end zone. When Mike Evans gets that touchdown, one million cash just handed over to him in the briefcase. Like fucking add, add that element to it. That would be a, that's a good move for college. And I'll stop. Yeah. Like literally instead of the turnover chain, you get a turnover McDonald's bag full of 10, you donate 250 grand in the program. Yeah. And your name, your has your name on the briefcase. You get to walk it out. All right. This one, who I was just going to say, because I doubt anyone has this because it's minus two 50, because Derek Henry, anytime touchdown is 500 K. Yeah, who's getting in between Derek Henry and a briefcase in the end zone with 500 K as his name on it. Who's stepping in between that? You get like a deal or no deal girl holding up like one touchdown Derek. I mean, just come on. Smash it. This one I've had circled since the Kansas City Chiefs clinched the number one seat on Christmas shout out to my lock. I've had this one circled because Carson Wentz is getting the start Carson Wentz any time touchdown team, but found this on my bookie.aj promo code SGP at six to one. Are you kidding me? This is wrong. Now last year, the wrong number. Last year he filled in for Maddie Stafford. He's he got one start. How'd that go in that meaningless game? 17 carries. How many of those were designed runs? I bet you like one or two if that and he had 17 carries 56 rush yards and a touchdown the year before his last start in Washington also had a rushing touchdown. So he's had it back to back starts. He's had a rushing touchdown. Now it's supposedly the Broncos were somewhat interested in Carson Wentz Carson Wentz is literally going to be running for his career running for his life. He's a guy who holds on the ball too long. I think the Broncos might be able to get a little pressure because they need this game and he's going to just want to run. It's his birthday this week. Yeah. Birthday week six to one. Are you kidding me all day at six to one? CJ. What do you? I'm on that as well. Okay. I mean, you have to bet that. We've been waiting for this moment for years. I love it. You might guess a year. You might be hearing a little bit later from down the line with me. This is a little smell me too. Maybe maybe in a DJ and only prop parlay. CJ. What do you got? What's the prop you like? All right. We'll go incentive here since we'll stay with the theme and a quarterback rushing theme. There's a couple incentives here we can go through. I did. They do not have the number on Kyler Murray. Of course was 50 rushing yards and any time touchdown. He got 750 K by the way, who's Kyler Murray 50 rushing yards and a touchdown. Just keep that in mind for later on. Maybe in a piece in the area. But Gino Smith, a lot was talking about it. 186 passing yards. He gets $2 million for that. So he will be throwing a ball and they'll get over 200 yards of course. But I'm sure I think his numbers are 250 or something like that. But aside a little side notice, if they wait, if see out, the Seahawks just win the game against Jimmy Garoppolo. That's another $2 million that goes in Gino Smith's pop. Absolutely bank. Now what's going to happen when Gino Smith needs to win the game? He's going to run the ball when he needs to. Oh, yes. Two and a half rushing attempts. This is over. What? He averages three and a half. This is on draft Kings. I saw two and a half rushing attempts. It's a little juice I believe in a win. It's 160. I mean, he average streams on two in a game that now is he need to win. I mean, two million dollars is on the line. He's going to do everything possible to get his team in a position to win. And it's not going to be by throwing it away. That's not what Gino does. No, I, I love this. I love, you know, and Rams are going to be resting a lot of guys. There'll be some backup linebackers in there that aren't great at chasing down Gino. Yeah. No, that's an awesome angle. And Gino, you know, let, he'll talk to the defense too. Hey, let me get this. I'm going for two mill here. Let me get this, you know, I'll cut you off a little something, whatever you need. I feel like he would be the kind of guy. Hey, guys, absolutely. I don't have too many more games here. Right. And players would love to do a deal with Gino. Yeah. I was talking about a Jimmy G give Jimmy G taste. I mean, he'll probably throw an interception regardless. But the game's close. You might throw a couple more might, might bobble the snap. And you know, they're going out together. Do you know, and Jimmy G will be out together. They're incredible, uh, Pulp Fiction dynamic. Oh, that is true. Oh, you're right. I can see that. Well, and much like Travolta, Jimmy G, a heart throttle. What do I mean? Who missed his window and and and the great, hey, Quentin Tarantino. I'm going to put him in a fill. Yeah. A.K. Sean McVay, the Quentin Tarantino of coaches. There's a lot of similarities. Yeah. And Gino's definitely, Gino's definitely a Sam Jackson vibe. Brown leather jacket with a nice white, you know, nice glass of scotch. He knocks around. You know, I love it. Kramer. What's another prop you got? All right. I'll do one more contract and send them. Okay. Are we on the Cortland Sutton angle? No, I mean, why is that where of it? I have 82 yards for five. Okay. Is that true? That is true. Already has locked in 1.5 mill in bonuses this season. And yeah, it gets another 500 K with 82 receiving yards. This one actually doesn't seem to be like destroyed because the number is still 68 and a half, which again, this was this was on the as as I was getting back from the airport to the office. I got this one in over the phone, 68 and a half yards. Again, he needs 82 for the bonus. It doesn't seem like they're totally baking it in. It's a game where I think, well, one, we've, we've had this conversation on the show, but the chief's defense has kind of taken a step back in this situation. Yeah, resting some guys, got to have it for the Broncos. Yeah. It just seemed, seemed a little odd that the number wasn't higher here. So I, I, and it, this is probably more in line where where the numbers should be based on his performance, but the 500 K, right? Does it matter? Sean Payton strikes me as the kind of guy that understands this type of chess playing. Yeah. I mean, I, he had Michael Thomas on the team. He doesn't want to deal with that. Yeah. It's also, it's one of those things for them. Like they're going to be trying to win the game and Cortland Sutton is their best offensive player. So six catches gets him this. So yeah, I don't think I don't think they're going to be going out of their way to feed him because of the contract incentives. They're going to be going out of their way to feed him because he's awesome. And it does seem like the numbers well, right? Considering that. Yeah. I think it's maybe because they're still thinking the matchup's not great with Kansas City, but they will be resting. Like contract aside. I think it's tough for them to price it in because they're priced to your points. DJ like they're pricing in. Hey, this is how Kansas City defense usually does against receivers, but if they're going to be resting guys, who knows? And Spags is going to be running something super vanilla, which I'm sure Bonix will be able to, you know, do a decent job picking apart. I still do like the chiefs, especially getting the 10 and a half. I'll stay in that game. What do we know about the chiefs? You fade or you play whatever tight end or tight ends that are going against the Kansas City chiefs. I like any of the, any of the Broncos tight end receiving yards you could talk me into, but I'm going to play another anytime touchdown angle and her boy Nate Adkins, Kansas City is horrible to the tight end. You know, and that's what they're starters. If you put the backups in, look out, Nate Adkins, three red zone targets, three catches, three touchdowns. He has been getting a steady diet. No, he's, he's and you know, Troutman, you could maybe Lucas crawl. I would say is the guy not to play, but who knows? Maybe that's the one that bites me in the ass. And Adam Troutman is also interesting, but he's only plus three 50 Atkins is five to one and actually kind of like his odds better than Troutman. It seems like it's bonics is go to guy in the red zone tight and wise is Nate Adkins. They draw stuff up for him. He doesn't get a ton of targets, but if they're in the red zone, he's going to get some looks five to one. I love the angle. So yeah, give me Nate Atkins. All right. CJ. What do you got? I'll stay in that game. Let's go. Let's go Denver. I've been hoping someone enjoyed my Atkins diet joke. Oh, I missed it. You know, you know, not for everyone. Let's go from the top. We can fix this in editing. No, no, no, it's gone now. I love you. I'm going to give a DM from someone. It'll be fine. I love an actor. My people will let me know it's a great Kramer gang. We'll be like great reference Kramer. I have back. I have Atkins material. Well, it's funny. Atkins diet didn't make it makes a comeback and you got to do it. Well, you've Rob Lowe doing these commercials. Listen, they're coming out for the Italian people with these anti car situations in what world can Rob Lowe, a guy who's never been overweight. Who's relating to a weight loss journey? Yeah. Come on. Give me Tommy Lasorda with slim fast or something. Yeah, Tommy Lasorda. You could believe is a guy who tried to lose weight, but even the after photos of Tommy Lasorda were always exactly the same. Like, Oh, wow. Look at all that weight. Tommy Lasorda and the idea that Tommy Lasorda would be turning down a delicious plate of pasta for a fucking shake. Can you imagine Tommy Lasorda going, going down to like some of these good, like a nice Italian restaurant and go give me a shake. No, he would say if Tommy Lasorda did that to Tommy Lasorda, Tommy Lasorda would spit in his face. Boy, well, true story. Speaking of references of the kids, like I said, I brought up Tommy Lasorda one time in a very similar situation like this on stage here in Los Angeles and a girl goes, what is Tommy Lasorda? Well, Colby asked Colby heat when Colby was back in his way to bartending days. He said, Tommy Lasorda would come to the Pacific dining car and we kept trying to get free meals. Yeah. And he had a guy that would go like, Tommy loved to sign some stuff and like he was always trying and you're not doing that for a slim fast. You're doing it first. You get a free steak, free pasta. So Colby hated him just like Fletch. I think Colby found some comedy in it, but probably if you're asking for free meals, probably not a generous tip or I would have bad tip. Speaking of Italians, anyway, CJ, what do we got? Nothing more Italian and Tommy Lasorda. Well, yeah, we're staying with that Denver game to Denver passing offense. Because of all these options that bonus has, this was going to be a possible ladder candidate. I decided not to because of the Sutton contract situation, all this, but Marvin Mims for crying out. Yeah, he's getting used a bunch. I mean, he had a season I 47% of the snap share the last last two games. And this is kind of crazy. His last six games, he's average, almost 64 yards a game. And they got his prop sitting at 31 and a half crazy. This is insane. This is why this was almost a ladder play. If you guys believe a bonus ladder tops off at 80 yards plus 750 for crying out loud. And he's a deep threat. So he is a boomer bus kind of primarily. And he had a monster game, of course, and that bangles game. A lot of it was at the weird circumstances at the end, but he was still hitting deep, even before that crazy last touchdown. He had one before that. Obviously had a two touchdown game and a big game. So he had this number way before all that nonsense happened at the end. So yeah, he's a deep threat. Obviously, like we said earlier, not the best matchup for Kansas City, but there's going to be magic starters easily in the second half. So, um, I think I like, I'm taking care of the state bus down have to, but I think that Denver's going to have their way. Yeah, I mean, again, just Sean Payton, brocco's offense against a vanilla scheme, which I'd imagine smags would run feels like a good opportunity, at least for some of these props early. I saw easy was a comment thing. Shout out to easy. We, we literally didn't get anything wrong on our league, including the first touchdown. It's a great work as always. I'm blue by ease on believe. Oh, yes. Yeah, he had that. Also, I see in the chat room, someone was betting $20. I was going to give a fair barn. I'd like to take that $20 because one didn't put up a number for him. But yeah, two, I'm taking a break. I'm taking a week off. Maybe I'll come back in the playoffs, but is an apostrophe hater and he hated Jesus and just absolutely ruined everyone's Christmas. So yeah, how could he not in that ugly ass game? How could they not get fair bear and his two field? Just let him kick it. They're punting from the 40. What are you doing? Let fair bear. That was a very, very embarrassing performance. Let the kicker cook. Shout out to my bookie.aj. If you're looking to get down and my bookie hats off to them, the prop bill or had a bunch of some of these early ones, these anytime touchdowns, I was getting right from my bookie.aj promo code S G P and get a hundred percent match up to $1,000 terms and conditions apply. And while I'm here, we're going to check over at the Spotify comments. One comment here caught my eye. Sean's ad reads are insufferable. So this is for you, Nathan W for 16. Kiss my hairy white Irish ass. You piece of shit. You free loaded bum. We give you thousands, hundreds of thousands of hours of content completely free. So yeah, we got to talk about my bookie.aj promo code S G P and a hundred percent match. And you're, and I'm insufferable. What have you ever done for the sports gambling community? What have you ever done for dee gens? Nathan W for 16. Oh, we're on Spotify. Four 16. What was there for your others? I had four 20. Then he had a code down from there. So shout out to you, Nathan. And just for you, just for you, Nathan, my bookie.aj promo code S G P it was, is it the ad that's insufferable or your voice reading? Well, I mean, he made it personal. He said, Sean's are insufferable is true. I was going to say he's obviously not a bottom line bombs listener because I because I'm very in all of your ad reads. I think they're very good actually. Well, thank you. So all over the place that I very much straight, you are to the point you get it. And you, and you sway like it's Blake, part of the show. I'm impressed. It's good that he's listening to them, though. Yeah, for sure. That's true. That's how often how many has he listened to that they became insufferable? Yeah. I love and also too, like the, are you not a Nathan? Are you so so just so dull and not intelligent? You don't know how to fast forward button alludes you Nathan. Oh, no, no, no, no. Are you? Are you open up a Pandora's box? He clearly didn't know about the fast forward. What world are you living in Nathan where you just get unlimited content completely free with no sort of trade off? To me, I would prefer, I don't, I grew up listening to commercials. I didn't, I didn't hate Conan O'Brien because they aired an army's commercial. No, what world is he living in? I mean, I love his attack to fans phase that you guys are in today. I mean, Nathan, Nathan, that was uncomfortable. There are many good fans out there. Yeah. And guys like Nathan, give them a bad name. It was personal for sure. So yeah, sometimes sometimes you got to smack a bitch. No, I'm a hundred percent behind you guys and anyone who makes any comment to shut them right down. Well, and it inspires the other good listeners to leave. I see what I see what CJ is doing over here. He wants me to bring up this comment on the internet. I tried up top guys skip through what I brought up the alphabet. You're right. You're right. I probably. So, all right, I hypothetical. Maybe people can respond. Maybe my people can respond to me and to let me know. But there is a at sharp Clark NFL who is someone who's much smarter than you and I. Don't worry. He'll tell you. He'll tell you. He posted a he posted basically a situation like I'm in where it's like fuck the lines are 14 and two, but our division futures are still sitting here pending. So I reply say, I know what the fuck I got a mortgage payment on the lines parlay of the Chiefs, which I have a tremendous amount of money in various different situations on the lines to win the division. And then this guy at Dr. Razz, W. S. O. P., which this also factored in the how how serious I thought he was being wrote. How big is your bankroll in multiples of mortgage payments to which I thought it was an odd comment. So I I made the assumption both responding to a thread. I'm smart. I know better, better. Okay. And the fact that he is now clearly wanting to know how much my unit size is or my bankroll management. I assume this is a hostile threat to which I'm on a fucking plane. So of course I have lots of time, a little grumpy maybe. No, I just you have time to fire off shit. It was a little different up there though. I mean, I wasn't Florida for a bit at this point. Yeah, Florida. Quick side. But I did see someone on a motor size. Motorize a motorized bicycle on the sand in the beach, wearing a helmet and American flag. Completely not know how to ride that bike and ride it right into the ocean. That's a tale for another time. Merry Christmas to which I replied at Dr. Razz W. S. O. P. World Series of poker. You should put parentheses alphabet on your bio. Jesus. Is it that you're offended that someone would have accrued a large position on a single outcome because this annoys sharps generally that you over if you're overweight on something or is it that you don't think I could possibly have a bag large enough to include a hundred mortgage payments because I have a responsible gambler who bets 1% of my bankroll. Of course, right? Doesn't everyone do that? And then I tagged it with if it helps your fantasy. I live in California with a kiss. And now you paid. You paid $12 just for the inflate wife, wife, just get this full novel response. I was flying Delta. It was free. Thank you, please. So you go hard to paint there. I mean, you go for a knockout blow immediately. I'm changing the tone of this back and forth. Yeah. I mean, I, I, again, I want to be supportive here with my friend and co-host Ryan. Now you're salty right now. I'm salty. No, I'm not. You did not like the fan's response to the solo episode. Oh, when was that Sunday? What do you mean? You did not like the fans response to the solo. Oh, no, I knew they were coming for your job. No, you running a pole saying is the show better without Sean. Yeah. That I thought was necessary. I was a listener to the show. I would probably respond. Yes. Because I would be like, Oh, this will be good for the show. I know Mikey four, 16 votes on that. Yeah, four, 16 sure. Nate was D Avenue. Oh Kramer gig. Hey, we're going to run a coup here. Sean misses one fucking day at work. We're going to overthrow the entire show. I did ask there were four options to the survey. Strongly disagree and strongly disagree. So there were people that strongly thought the show was going to suck with just me. In fairness, but there's people smaller percentage, but there are those, but I see what Sean saying. Sean saying they would even had that option unless you didn't give it to them. Kramer given that idea of like, let's get you never came across my mind. We are a content. We do make content over here. And I listen, I agree. I'm saying and I thought it was unfair to not have an episode for the people. So no, absolutely. I was part of the pre game show. I thought it went great. We got called incubus. That was pretty good. That was a pretty good roast. Actually, we did. We did look like a motley Christmas. It was everything's fine. And so you get Bowser up there. Bowser came and looking terrible, but fantastic. But he looked at terrible. You know, like he, he was wearing a Christmas present, which happened to be this robe. Right. It was an uncle junior starter kit. He had the junior uncle junior glasses leaning into like this. Oh my God. Yeah. And it looks like that. Yeah, the Jesus and whatever that the saints and naz of whatever, what's the pre that soprano prequel movie? Yeah, the Saints in New York, New York, right? Anyway, yeah. Or any kind of the flash vaccine of junior, like when he was younger with Tony's dad or whatever, that's who, that's who bowser could right now bowser just went up. Bowser went to a strip club. He and they were, they would assume he owned it. They would just be like, uh, sir, yeah, he's just in the robe with a cigar and say he's his kid. Say his nephew, junior or something like that. You know, they would, uh, they would have a month. Anyway, so you go hard at this guy. Just real quick. Let's button this up real quick. I forgot we were talking about that. And does he, uh, does he immediately, uh, like, whoa, what's going on here? Because he apologized immediately. Yeah, because well, I was my bad. I was wrong. Not an alpha male. Yeah, there was a couple of ways you could have went with that. Yeah, not an alpha male for sure. Uh, he basically says, uh, you know, sorry. Yeah. You did a joke to someone else's tweet and he jumps in there. Yeah. So there's a couple of ways you can handle that. One, you ignore it. This is what 90% of people do because he's because he's just hopping in not, you know, not in his conversation. So a lot of threat replies come back down there. You can't, they want, but he obviously enjoyed the joke because he used your punchline like go have any say in mortgage payments, blah, blah, blah. And you go fuck you. You got right at it. Tony, Tony would walk in a bag and take a photo. Oh, yeah. You start special. Oh, hey, oh, I take it easy over here. No one's, no one's jumping. Anyway, go get your shine box. The guy said, sorry. I said, cool. Here's the answer to your. Yeah, you snapped. Here's the answer to your question. What's on four two? You know, whatever. You got a, uh, I said, I, when he did say, sorry, I said, uh, I go made some assumptions based on who I was replying to dot, dot, dot, and odd question, roughly a 3% win. So I gave him an answer. We're all good. You asked, right. He wanted you to reply back as a joke to say. No, I see it now. I see it now, but I don't want to say it out loud, but that's maybe he shouldn't, he should stick to not doing comedy. Say, at least six figures or, you know, one mortgage payment for a studio apartment in Ella, you know, something like that, some bit like God. Okay. So I could do like a, some zill. That's all he wanted. Right. Some zilla material. Put that in there. He shouldn't do jokes. That's true. All right, Sean. How many, where are we at? How many of you giving out? I've given out two. What have you given out your CJ? Yep. Two. All right. We're all on two. What's your third prop? Okay. So are we up to speed on the Tony Pollard contract incentives? Yes. I forget the yards, but I know 83 maybe. It's exactly right. Spears is out. Yep. 250,000. So there's no yards numbers yet. I did. I have not seen a Pollard yardage number yet, but he does have a two touchdown angle. Now. Callahan hates him. We don't need to bet two touchdowns because we can just take the anytime. It's minus one 25. And I think this game is going to end up being a little loose in my opinion. I like that. I have a feeling this Houston, Tennessee game gets a little loose. Well, and I don't know. I don't think the numbers are out yet, but also Hopkins. Oh, wait. No, he's on. I like that. No, the DeAndre Hopkins. I was blanking. He's thinking he's yeah, I know. Pulled the old guy move, but the, yeah, he was liberated from the entire earlier this season, but we'll talk later. His incentives went with him. The Kansas. Oh, you're right. Yeah. His incentives. I'll go anyway. I wonder if they will play him for the, you get the baggage. Well, we'll talk about that later. All right. I got a receiver here. Carson Wentz going to go into town. Would we do Pollard any time touch down there? Yeah. So wait, you would. What's his price? Do you have a minus one 25? Oh, okay. What's that site that has all those incentives? You said? So I, I'll make sure Sean puts it in the spot. It's a spot rack or a spot track. Oh, that's right. Spot track. How do they, I mean, is that the freedom of information act? How do we see a little intrusive? All the information they have on everybody where people are making up getting like, get out of my, get out of my bank, get out of my wallet. Well, it's because it's the cap implication. So you have to, you have to, you have to earmark these things as certain. Yeah. I think that's purely how it gets reported to the league and some sort of public ledger. Anyway, they have a full, they don't like that when you get in their pocket like that. That's what they say. They basically have a full breakdown for each team. Even the positions we don't care about, you know, make an offensive lineman or whatever. For me, my next prop, prop number three, Adam Thielen, old, old reliable over 63 and a half receiving yards. Falcons are just horrible to the receivers, even though their defense has gotten better. He's coming off a 110 yard to touchdown game. I would probably, I was gonna play the two touchdowns, but the fact that he got two touchdowns last week in Carolina only had two touchdowns. Both came from Adam Thielen, Chubah Hubbard is out. So they're going to have to be, you know, Adam Thielen is some easy completion stuff. If I ever saw it, 63 and a half against these Falcons receivers or the Falcons defensive backs. Easy, easy opportunity for Adam Thielen. So Adam Thielen over 63 and a half receiving yards. CJ, what are you doing? I like that a lot. I want to go in a big game. Started out there in Detroit, Minnesota game to some of the numbers that we can only find are some of these big games. Because when I do put out Alec Pierce numbers, I'll be all over. It's just because, I mean, I cannot wait to play better. I just can't wait to bet on Joe Flacko again. Just one last time. It could be the last time. Could be. Yeah, I cannot. Well, and if I bet on Flacko, I'm better now. Pierce, that's the way that goes. He's got a lot of kids. So it could be that right. What's to get out of the house? He was retired before. Then all of a sudden boom, five games, winning comeback player of the year over a guy who died. He's a rambling man. He should only be on a team for a month or so, you know, he's just the man who drifts in the town. I do like this angle. Quarterback situation drifts out, you know, he'll take the blame. He'll do whatever you mean. Rambling man. Yeah. He's sure to your town. We'll help you party. We're an American backup quarterback. Well, I was thinking more almond brothers, but sure. Oh, okay. Like rambling man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking of, you can be scrambling man. Oh, that's not flack. It's not flacko, but back in his Delaware destroyer days, you would run around. Anyway, point is in that main game, we got a nice revenge game with TJ Hockinson and he's got a pretty low number. I'm like in the tight ends of both. First of all, what is a total in this game? 50 still hasn't had a game. I know he hasn't had a game. But that's why it's coming. That's why it is coming. And that's why he got his low number at 35 and a half receiving cards for TJ Hockinson. I like this. I mean, this isn't saying this is the ultimate revenge game for a team that he drafted in the first round and he was great from the government and he got his young, young, sexier, Sam LaPorta to take his place. Hockinson's been waiting for this. He hasn't had a game, but yes, he's been battling back on that injury. This is the game he's loading up for the game. It's going to be an absolute shootout. Everyone eats in this game. It's going to be back and forth affair. I mean, 57 is the total in this game. Yeah, that's hilarious. I love it. I mean, Detroit has no defense. Yeah, you see why? What are you going to take the under? What do you? This would be the ultimate ending to a season where nothing but chalk has been hitting recently. Nine seven Detroit. Well, I also the more we think about this week, the no touchdown in this game. I love it. Oh, that's, that's, that's a diabolical. I'll stick in that game. I'll toss one out. And this one's courtesy rhythm sports game on podcast.com slash RITHMM. Sign up over there. Get the seven day free trial. Good for props, picks, whatever NFL props, especially been on a nice run here. This one, they like and I'm co-sign and they give me Jamison Williams over 58 and a half receiving yards. It's Viking secondary. As much as their defense is good, like they let up a ton of yards to the receivers. You got Jared Goff in a dome. I just, and, and Jamison Williams actually had a bad game the first time around. And if you look at these division games, everyone always thinks like, Hey, whoever smashed that first time, they're going to do great the second time. When really, a lot of times it's, they try and adjust Flores, whoever killed him the first time, they're going to try and shut that down. I think this is a nice Jamison Williams bounce back game in a sense for what he didn't do much in that first game. So I like him to have a nice game here, over 58 and a half receiving yards, very doable according to me and according to rhythm. So yeah, Jamison Williams 59 receiving yards, put it in the bag. Kramer, what do you got? So, um, do we think Malik neighbors is playing well because true lock is elevating him? Or is he elevating true lock? I did see Malik neighbors popped up on the injury report this week. Was that his thing? No, he always pops up. And then he usually plays. He has been popping up. His number is only 67 and a half this week. What are we supposed to do with that? He's getting all these targets. I'll say this. He's got, he's, he's only four catches behind Brock Bowers. He missed a couple games. I'll say this. Whoever and now I don't, this will be interesting because I, I don't know how they're going to break it down. Obviously, you know, now he could actually end up being the best quarterback that's out there. So whoever, if you see it, if whoever of Auntie Maddox is on, I would say take that guys over because of Auntie Maddox has looked rough this season. And anytime he's out there, the passing defense falls apart. So I don't know if a party Maddox is going to be on. Um, I mean, you watched the game last week, right? It was two screen passes that he made like five guys on a defense miss. Yeah. Avante. Is that Italian? I think so. Italian for Izel Jenkins. Nice. But yes, Malik neighbors. Absolutely incredible. If you didn't miss those two games, it wasn't for a Travis Scott concert. Oh yeah. We would, uh, CJ had a, what did you, CJ, you had, I had him to lead the NFL and receptions. How close were we? We're, I mean, he's like 15. It was a 15 back of, I mean, Jamar Chase obviously is ahead of everyone, but if you take those two games, you give him 15 catches there. He's right there neck and neck with him. 75 to one. I went a couple, I want a couple, uh, I mean, I want a couple mortgage payment units on that one to, uh, more, more in the middle of the country, not in the LA mortgage payments, but you know, Malik is leading the league in targets. Yes. I mean, it was incredible. That's 75 the one. Yeah. He's only, he's only 13 catches back. Brock Bowers, if he would have won the most receptions in the NFL, my God, I would have taken that would have been a juicy ticket. Well, and Tramik bride having 104 is almost like it's not like here are the reception leaders this year. Jamar Chase 117. He's having an insane. Yeah, which that's that in some ways that he's shocking, but yeah, no, not talking at all. He was one of the favorites. He went in the offensive player of the year ahead of sake one now that he's going to play the final game and sake one's going to sit out. Pretty incredible. I mean, he's going to win. He's going to win the triple crown. The, you would think so, but the odds say it's sake one, but I know it just seems like there's a game and one guy's playing one guy isn't a mon, a monra 103 or sorry. Well, one guy, you know, they clenched and yeah, clench the division. So they get a rest. But yeah, yeah, that's a team goal. We're talking about personal individual rules now. A monra is at 109 Brock Bowers 108 McBride and neighbors 104 CD lamb 101 and Justin Jefferson 100 other guys who are likely to get to 100 catches this year. Garrett Wilson 97 Jackson Smith and Jigwin 96 and Drake London would need 10 catches. I mean, if you just would have added 10 to neighbors there, five and five, we're right in the mix. You at least get that final. I mean, you get a nice sweat. Time me to Vito Tim Boyle. Sake one Barkley is minus 5,000 to win offensive player of the year. I mean, you got 2,000 yards. I know you think that's a significant number, but I heard you guys. I don't, I don't. Well, I heard you guys argue why you give him to 31 carries to get to 2,000, but not going for the records. The records mean nothing. But the numbers, like that's like, that's like batting 400 in baseball. That's a magical number. You don't bat 397. You don't run for 1998. You get 2003. Then you get also to the game. The game was still in question for sure. They did end up pulling him. Like they could have maybe got him another 40 or 50 yards. If that was the goal. The, the, the defensive player of the year, minus 5,000. Sake one Barkley. This was crazy. Do you, have you guys looked at the defensive player of the year? Yeah, they're definitely very, very surprised. Kramer, what do you, have you looked at the defensive player of the year? So I've been having, there's been a, an ongoing, I mean, I know you love when I bring up the DMS, but basically there's been a guy, I've been going back and forth of the guy who threw in a bat on Jaden Daniels offensive player of the year. Josh Allen MVP TJ. Well, that's a rookie of the year for. Yeah. Sorry. Anyway, it was, it was four or five awards. They were all in, like they're all in. And it was just TJ watt. It was like, do I, it's getting weird. Like he's like, I can cash out for a quarter of my total potential payout. No way. He ended up doing it. Not on my advice, but he was just done with the sweat. So I, I'm not actually, I assume the odds are quite close. This is crazy. Patrick Sertan is now minus 200. And he was like 25 to one, like a month ago. Yeah, I don't see minus 200. I mean, he's, I, it's, and TJ Watts plus 170. Why hasn't played, why hasn't made a play like in a month? It seems like, yeah, he hasn't do it. Yeah. This is just what is Sertan. Yeah. I mean, he's playing well. I was doing that whole Bronco surge, you know, and they were like in his, but that's not his team. Well, this team's barely going to make hair. They're also losing games. They might miss the playoffs. You can't pass. Yeah. That, that would be shocking to me. If the Steelers make the playoffs, what's Miles Garrett? He's got four interceptions. Miles Garrett's interesting. He's off the board. Miles Garrett's like 30 to one. Kirby Joseph is 10 to one, which makes sense with the Vikings and the interceptions. Andrew Van Gankle, 25 to one. That he has a better chance side to me, but they're none of those guys are winning it. No, I can, I know it's, I mean, I know it's only one game to go, but I still wouldn't mind sprinkling a Miles Garrett. 30 to one. He could go off. He can go off, get three sacks. I think that's a good, good. I think you have to be a playoff team to win defensively. I think he, I don't know. I think he's, yeah, maybe not. Yeah. Because like TJ Watt and all those guys, but you just have to, or JJ even, you'd have to be one of those elite pass rushes though. Some guys don't have to be on a great team. They're rarely is defensive player of the year a new name. You know, it's always it's someone like you, you've known who gets in, who's been in the mix, whatever, like, you know, has 15 sacks or whatever or 10 picks, whatever it is. You know, it's not like, oh, who is this guy? Like, yeah, you, it's, it's all heavyweight fighters. Right. Like Braun, whatever Philly, you know, he's incredible year, but no one's ever heard of him. I told them. No, no, and you don't, and you're not going to get it from that position. It's got to be. Like even the, like, that's why it's crazy to think that they can get. What is certain? Does certain have a crazy amount of interceptions for that's? Yeah. No, I, what am I missing yet to me? Like, I thought he's having a good year. I think it's, I think it's kind of wide open defensive player of the year. Those are bad numbers. We'll see. Where are you getting those numbers? A leading sports book, right? It's a horrible numbers. All right. My last player prop here. And then obviously we got some ladders, get some DJs only. We got, of course, we'll give out an underdog entry. For me, Tyler Huntley, anytime touched out, I'm going to call this at plus 350. I found his two touchdown price was 25 to one. So Kramer, you're good with the math. What if his two touchdown price is 25 to one? I don't know why I couldn't find his one touchdown. I'm going to call it 350. But if two is 25 to one, it might even be higher than that. Uh, I mean, it depends on the team, but it's generally somewhere in the six to one range. So even higher, you think? But Tyler Huntley, they're not going to give you six to one on. No, no, no, six to one ratio. So maybe four to one. Yeah. I'll call it conservatively 350. He's played three full games. Well, what was he last week? Oh, that's a good question. If you can look that up, maybe pull that up cause I would imagine it's something similar. He's played three full games. He's had a rushing touchdown and two of them. The jets are plus four. He was plus four 80 last week, plus two 40 this week. Okay. That's a big drop. We don't have a big open. So perhaps the two 40s over at Caesars, perhaps when we're open. All right. I'll call it. We'll call it 250 Tyler Huntley. Anytime touchdown plus 250. Like I said, he's played three games. He's had a touchdown and two of them. And he's going up against the jets who have just just the worst vibes. No one wants to tackle and the jet second in the league and giving up Russian touchdowns. Dallas is first, but the jet and Jaden Daniels, you're not going to get any fun prices on him to score Russian touchdown, but Tyler Huntley love it. So all day with Tyler Huntley, I was seeing if I could, yeah, no, I, um, that's interesting. It's interesting number. That was a great touchdown he had last week. Yeah. He wasn't a sneak by the one. No, there's a couple of guys that desperate quarterbacks week 18 is when you can get some fun. Yeah. And he's happy to play too. Your team was rallying around him. I mean, he was so much better than DTR. Right. Oh, he looked out in control. Right. I don't understand how it's a pro bowl quarterback. It's true. Um, I don't understand if some of these guys maintain employment. Like what's the point of having these quarterbacks on the roster on season if they suck? Yeah. No, it's, it, it doesn't make any sense. So wait, CJ, you need to give out your fifth, right? I was just gonna say, I don't think I'm gonna give out three. Oh, did I jump ahead? All right. What do you got? It's a, I can, I can jam a couple of these in there. I got, I got, I got what do you got? I'm going to put that whole, I'm going to shove it in on his Steelers Bengals game. Um, couple numbers of, I'll give about three, four and four, five, whatever it is. First of all, here's a number. We were all shocked to see on there. Chase Brown. Yeah. It's got a high total. It's 70 and a half. What the hell? When we, when you saw, I thought he was like ruled out. We saw that play last week. I mean, that caught it a high ankle sprain for crying out loud. It looked like he's, uh, leg got ripped apart. He looked like he broke his leg. It was an amazing play part of the, part of the horrible beat of Denver plus three and a half. Where all they did do is take a, you know, take a, uh, take a knee and then kick the field goal. They handed off the chase Brown. He gets stuffed. He pops it outside, sees daylight, then realizes, Oh, wait a minute. I'm not supposed to score a touchdown here. So he tries to stop, goes backwards on his knee. He's out. He gets carted off. Bangles have to use their own timeout. Look terrible. You know, burrows doing the giddy overs, you know, dead corpse after doing the sneak right there. That was a little classless and they had their motor on timeout and they're like, all right. Now he's, he's going to give a hope to play, even if he does play. Now I know the Steelers are bad, bad rush defense. I wanted to play some, uh, Khalil Herbert numbers. Hope I thought he was going to get to start, but, um, Chase Brown is 70 half. Maybe he will give it a go, but I can't see him being top shelf. That's a, that's a big number regardless without this, uh, ankle spraying. So I, I think you have to hammer the under Chase Brown, 70 and a half rushing yards. How's he playing? So now this, uh, this, this was a great sweat on the old carnival cruise ship because we're hanging out, uh, having some drinks, watching the game, uh, I did, uh, unfortunately, a nice chunk of change on the Broncos money line that bangles drive. They're about to kick the field goal or whatever. I'm like, all right, that's over. My wife wanted to go to the spot. I'm like, all right, we'll go, go hang out in the spa. And then they had these like heated chairs that you could lay in in the spa and you could look out and see the water. And then of course I brought my phone in just in case. And, and then I'm like, and then I'm like refreshing game cast and using like the God's eye illegal stream because we're in fucking the Mexican waters and I'm refreshing it. And, uh, and when they tie it up, I'm, I'm doing that thing where I go, that's what a motherfucking talking about. But the night yelling, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a controlled rage. And then just refreshing watching clips on game cast as they, as they blow it in overtime. I was just, uh, deflated vibes in the carnival cruise ship spa. I'm picturing you trying to get a signal on your phone. So you're at the bow of the boat, like Titanic style. You and Tess kind of like, uh, Leo, Leo and Winslet on the front of the boat on the bow of the boat with, but with the phone out trying to get a nice signal, you know, and all that. Peyton's got to go for two. No, he's not. Oh God, we're going over time. Why'd you go for two? Well, and, and I'm always the guy voting, going for two, but I guess in Trump, Peyton's offense, a tie did, yeah, get them into the play. Yeah, but then they didn't, they didn't barely even go for the tie in overtime. No, I know. You know what I mean? Like they gave the ball back on three times. It was insane. Yeah, tie does get it to you. But I mean, also winning it does as well. And that's your best chance to do. I mean, what are the odds of getting a tie? First of all, yeah, we haven't had one this year. We're so due for a tie. Kramer, do you have lions, Vikings? Oh, that would be. Now, I don't even know of the time. I guess it would go to, uh, Detroit. Yeah, Detroit has the tiebreakers. They won the ball. You're right. And there's a lot. And there are lions fans are hoping it does go into a tie. So Campbell can be proven right that he want, he needed to play as players for San Francisco. Like that where you go and prove him right. You know what I mean? I can see Campbell doing that too. Yeah. He knows he's right. He knows Kramer. Do you have any, uh, did you give out all five of yours? You want another contract? Sure. Yeah. People love the contract. Is JK Dobbins being widely reported 58 rushing yards will get him $150,000. Yeah. Well, and so to break it down, who's got it better than he only made a million dollars this year? Yeah, he's very insane. And a number of the, like a big chunk of like basically 33% of his boss or his, uh, contract to start with was game bonuses. He missed the number of games. He got 150,000 at 600 yards. He had 150,000 at 750 yards. Uh, he's now going for 900 here. And like CJ said, 50 needs 58. We're just going to go over 75 and a half. He shredded this team the first time he they brought him back. Last week was the first game back, had 19 carries, uh, right in the mid 70s there. I, I think if you're the chargers, you're heading to the playoffs, you got to get Dobbins up to speed here. So, and I'd imagine your Jim Harbaugh or your, your Roman, you brought this guy in on a cheap deal. Yeah. You know, yeah. You want to get him a couple bucks. Like you said, like this is, this is one. I like this. I like this a lot because this is one that this player needs. Like this contract is all insentively, I'm not saying that these guys don't want any money, but like that fucking guy was holding out JK Dobbins. He was on the conference call. He was on the running back conference call. Like Derek Henry getting 500,000 dollars for another touchdown. He's going to act like, like when they told me he got the Pro Bowl. Oh, cool. You know, whatever, like, you know, I got a $20 million deal and I'm Derek Henry. Of course I made the Pro Bowl, you know, Dobbins needs this bonus. So I like this a lot. Basic. Yeah. I mean, he's going to increase the value of his contract, like 20, 30, 33%. I like Chris in the chat. Kaleel pervert over. Yes. Absolutely. And then he says Herbert, I hate auto correct. No, we love. Yeah. Are they? I mean, kind of. Yeah, I always love. I don't understand why he also gets no love in the league. Also, they're going to say you love a good pervert. No, I was going to say auto correct assumes what you normally type in there. Yeah. You type in pervert a lot more than Herbert. Who was the conservative guy that posted the picture of the internet when they were like, who's going to explain these ads on this website? It was, it was like gay ads. Right. It was like, I didn't realize that the ads got served up by your browsing industry. I think it was, I think it was Jason Whitlock. Oh, yeah. That's what it was. He was coming after ESPN. He's like, look, ESPN serving of gay ads. It's like, who's going to tell them? That's incredible. I love that. I just googled. I just googled the ad and it says the ad that came up said balls deep inside of me is a great way to spend your birthday. What is he looking up on his computer? That's what Whitlock posted. Well, yeah, that's the custom ad he got served up. When I saw the first time I saw his balls. It is defensive. That does sound like another sports podcast. That's got to be on bar store or something. Right. Balls deep inside of me. Fucking like the boys. We got the boys are balls deep. We got adult film star. Give it up parlays. Right. When they lost, call me a color daddy. They brought in balls deep balls deep. The clock clock 9000 parlay, 90 to one. Oh, man. All right, CJ. One more prop. And then we'll get to the degenerate stuff. All right. I'm a degenerate one one for loss for loss cause of the last time we we did the show last time this matchup happened to Pittsburgh, Cincinnati. We kicked ourselves for not playing Russell Wilson to lead the weekend. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. This is terrible Cincinnati bangle secondary and Russ has been struggling a little bit lately. So we got another discount. His number is 225 for passing yards. That's crazy against this awful Cincinnati defense. Many step later. This is a 300 yards plus 425 by the way, 300 yard day for Russ Wilson. Any through for what he throw for last time in Cincinnati was like four 15 or something. Oh, he didn't actually get it. Thank God. Right. But I was so close. Was it a Monday night or that goddess or something like that? Yeah, it was. I'm blanking on who it was. It was a chalkier outcome. Right. That hit on Monday night. I'm going to look. I'm going to look back to play that again. Absolutely. Even even sprinkles some random, like a Tanner McKee or like 29 or 38 or sorry, 29 and 38 for four 14 or 14. I think I went there right in the head. And now his number is 225 against his at home against his terrible, terrible, bangle secondary. That's a good transition to my ladder, which we'll get to in a second before we do. Oh, he got beat by James on Monday. That's right. That's a very chalky, very chock. I mean, James 497. Yeah, that was that game where James set the record for most. Yeah, passing yards completed to human beings. I forget how the human beings because it was right because interceptions return yards bodies traveling with his passes. He had over 700 yards. Yeah, almost 700 yards of passing yards in that. Like there's like early, 1900 records. I was like, what, what sport are they playing? I want someone to frame this box score for us because Caderius Tony also is in the box score. Had a carry. Also a fumble. Do you remember that? That wasn't that. We got the same game. It basically he cleaned the game. Yeah, crazy. Hey, we'll talk ladders. DJ only props before we do underdog fantasy.com promo code as GPN. Get over there. Get your deposit bonus and also playoff fastball rhyme. We got to do some playoff festival drafts this week. Yeah. The, the gauntlet one, I think it's a $20 entry, $2 million in prizes playoff festival. Super fun. Can't wait to get down on that underdog fantasy.com promo code S G P N. Hopefully that read was a satisfactory for Nathan W four 16. Oh boy, I think he'll update his comment. He should just Nathan just go. I was wrong. You know, you can post a poll on Spotify. You should just ask him. A direct question via that. Does Nathan suck? Now I'm going to post that on Spotify. Does Nathan W four 16? Would Nathan W four 16 like to do the ad reads? Are his comments insufferable? How do you, like, how do you not zone out? Fast forward. Just zone out. We're talking also. Yeah. I mixed it up. I make it fun. Give out some. We end on the level of this guy. Yeah. Now you're getting out and getting to. You should not be thinking about this. Um, all right. My ladder. Yes. Yes. Cincinnati. Very porous. Well, a lot on the defense. You really can't miss. Um, four and 14 past yards for us. A lot of that could go to Pat Fryermouth. Bangles. They're in the league and state angle here. Yeah. Third in the league and receiving yards allowed to the tight end. Now maybe Darnell Washington has a couple. He's always interesting catch wise. But Pat Fryermouth 40 receiving yards plus 115 52 to one. And also, if you saw George Pickens, that weird interview, I don't know if Russ is going to be dying to throw to him. So Fryermouth could be the benefactor 60 plus three, 10, 70, four, 75, 80, 750, 90, 11 to one from that fryer. Wow. Going all the way up. Yes. I mean, if he's going to throw for 400 yards again, or, or at least like high threes, why not? Primus six for 68 last time they played. So that even that would almost get, we get you three 10. I mean, you can play this conservatively and just take 50 yards, two to one. If you want to go up to 90, God bless you. I'm going to be up there hanging out. So say hi, you're up there. I mean, look at chiefs also a team bad against the tight ends 60 yards, seven catches. He's a big part of the offense. Kramer. What do you do? What's your ladder? Yeah. I mean, Aaron Glenn has not been as bad as typically defending the rushing quarterback, but Sam Darnold's numbers are juicy this week. Last time they played, he had four carries for 39 yards, 24 and a half to go over that plus 260 39 and a half. He gets 40 yards. So again, he had 39 yards in the first match at first Detroit. Got to have a game against the defense that is shredded and has given up big games to quarterbacks, seven to one to get to 40 yards. Okay. I'm in. Of course you are seven to one. C J. Do you have a, you got a ladder for the daddy and I've already gave out some bonus ladders. The for the lads, the laddy daddy. They're my lads. You know, be careful. Lassie's in the lads. Lassie's. You don't want to get caught like Ellen having that, having some awkward moments with kids and Diddy all the same stage. Lassie's in lads. That's fair enough. It's more Irish than anything. It's. Wait, Ellen was with kids too. Oh, I just, I just, you know, I thought she was just me as a guest and then kids also. And then you can connect dots and it'd be like, if you had the laddy lads on stage and you had Diddy come out of all of a sudden, it's like, whoa, that is another thing. This is a completely different situation. That is another thing. I do feel like I'm looking at the jacket now. I'm dressed like a British child, like a, a children's TV star in, in England. I love children. It's nothing to do. They're petos. They didn't know what that had exposed. They didn't want a guy to expose like, what the fuck was his name? He's like, he was a huge star over there. I don't know. It seems like there's a lot of people that are into that kind of stuff. And then I think the, this might be in a lot of those closets. Well, I wasn't, I wasn't going to bring it up on the air, but since now you're attacking me, not while doing your style. Sean, I was doing a little bet to tech. I was doing a little bet detective work though. Just in the, during the rig and, oh, you brought up the poll question that he brought up. Maybe trying to, trying to under throw you kind of, a coup in the show right now. Yeah. Nathan for 16. Is that really a person? I mean, let's check the IP address on this guy. I mean, is he trying to make the show better? Is it coming from another side on the show over here? Kramer burner account. I don't have any burners. Very Kramer style. And I don't have any burners. I don't need burners. I have plenty of people might be right. Yeah. Am I saying? Oh, a lot of people in the guy in the DM saying, love to hear your lock. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's just odd that your specific gatherings are insufferable. Yeah. Nothing else. Absolutely. All right. So I'm going to say it's his burner account. Kramer's smarter than that, but he would put his, his Kramer gang. Yeah. Exactly. Classic Kramer setting up a fall. Love the show. Sean wasn't there to cut you off and you could finish your thoughts. Well, that was the funniest because the guy sent it to the Instagram account. Kramer doesn't know how to open. Never. So I said, thanks for listening. Signed Sean and he goes, I love you, man. So thank you. Thank you. That's all the engagement forming show. All right. Well, all right. For my ladder and laddies and the lassies out there, I'll make it up to you Kramer here. This is what I talked about before outside. I couldn't, I just, I'm the, if anything, I'm the deli llama. I'm deli roll and I love. Oh, pull a number playing a number and I'll pull a number in this number. 25, baby. Funny he says 25 because at two, 25, we're at plus two, 20 drew lock. Oh, who just had to get his cleats sent to Canton, right? What do you pull up a whole of famous and physical game last week? Five total touchdowns, 350 yards, quarterback rating of over was 152 or something. Only like four guys have ever done it. Nearly perfect. A lot of it was when a week neighbors runs out their catch, but we obviously know he's playing against this evil team that will be resting to starters for good merit because they've earned it by locking up a two seat and it'll be, it'll be ridiculous to have anyone out there for an injury for a meaningless game. And you said, I'm, I mean, if I think Maddox is going to be our best corner back out there, there's going to be yards to be had passing. These giants somehow, they won't give up even when they win, they lose, I believe they might have a good chance of losing this one. But you know, they're going to try. They said they're going to try. I believe them. Drew Locke's going to try. He had his team rallied up. He said it was great for the city. I agree with him. Great for the fans. No, absolutely not. So coming off a hall of fame performance. I'm like, Oh, well, it's probably going to be juiced up. We're going to be chasing numbers. Nothing. I think they brought it down. His numbers, a flat ladder just to get the base is 175 yards. That's crazy. Cause hitting his four starts, he's gone over 175. 178, 227, 210 and then 309 and then 309, 200 yards plus 115. So 225, the number I pulled out, 225 is plus 220 is on draft gangs. 250 is plus 450. We don't even have to sniff 300 yards to get the kitty out of this tree. Go to the top, 275 yards for Drew Locke plus 950. That is a crazy number. Plus nine 50 is number against the Cowboys was 197 and a half against saints. It was 192 and a half against the Falcons, 204 and a half and the Colts last week, 190 and a half. So it's, it's opened lower than that. It's amazing. You know, they use the spreadsheets. They can't help themselves. There's no situational handicapping anymore. Great. Fine. CJ. Although, I do worry that Drew Locke doesn't have two in them, but he doesn't need to, even just to get to like the, his basic, lower levels. He's gotten there three games in a row fairly easily. Two 50 gets you plus four 50. Yeah. I'm fine with that. All right. Do you quick underdog entry? And then you can only prop underdog entry Kramer. What do you, what's jumping out of here that's that we can fire on underdog right now? Under. And I'm going to underdog. And maybe this is their, they're giving a little bit more liberty because these are fantasy projections. They, they have a nice, pretty good offer. It's a, it's a positive match. Big green box in my face, trying to get a little real. We were trying to get a little refresh here, but I would say that we were all in agreement that we all liked. We all liked, we were talking Jerry Judy earlier. Now the DTR is no longer in the game. That was a nice chat angle. We were also talking the Russ angle with, I mean, just Russell Wilson yards. Yeah. Russell Wilson passing yards is at two 34 and a half. I, I, he threw it for what? Four 14 last time. Yeah. He can regress 70 yards and be fine. Yeah. 180 yards. All right. All right. Russell Wilson higher, two 34 and a half. CJ, you came out a bunch here. What a, what a, what do we like in that game? Okay. I was wanting to get to there. And I'm liking the underdog because I couldn't decide between rushing and receiving one. Let's do a combined rushing. We're seeing him for Jalen Warren, who has slowly, quietly come become the lead back there for Pittsburgh. He's kind of stepped ahead of nausea, Harris, at least production wise. He's back to being Jalen Warren that everyone, you know, weird. It took a long time for him to finally get in shape. But now, the last couple of games, he looks like Jalen Warren out there and he's been ripping apart these numbers. So it's 64 and a half are combined. I mean, I think, I think he's going over his rushing, rushing and plus receiving. If you want to do just do rushing, I think he's been knowing that too. But I like the combination. Cause he, you never know which one he's going to hit you more on anybody, but he kind of distributed it pretty evenly. Should we stay on Saturday? Then get one. Yeah. Maybe I, do we just toss in Judy here? Because we need one not on the Steelers. Yeah. Let's do Jerry Judy higher, 53 and a half receiving yards. Jalen Warren higher, 64 and a half rushing receiving in Russell Wilson, higher, 234 and a half, receiving yards, $100 entry returns you $600. Yes. Get those bonus bucks using the promo code S G P N underdog fantasy.com promo code S G P N. And yeah, Kramer, maybe we'll do it. Well, obviously we'll do a bonus one for Sunday on the pregame. But we got what Judy in there. Yeah. Especially as a shout out to Steph Smalls, who's in the chat room here, shout out there. She came in third place. Yeah. And that circus fantasy. But she would have won it. She played Jerry Judy. Oh God. Damn. I don't mean to bring him a sore spot. God bless her. No, but there's always, there's always one of those. Yeah. Exactly. Here's the other decision. You can think about that all season, which is probably as a guy who she's already moved past it. Of course it's going past. It's golf season. She's probably on to that. But, you know, also it's great. I don't know. But 50 K is nice. Yeah. I mean, no, a guy who, as a guy who, you know, Scott Tolzine personally cost him $800,000. Don't live in the past, Steph, you know, if I started the Rams defense instead, I'd have a $800,000 extra dollars. But you can't, you can't think about the past of the past. No, enjoy the win. And she won. She won't came up there. Nice cash. I don't know what Scott Tolzine's up to. He was last. I saw it. He was working for the Wisconsin Badgers. Then he was, he was working as the quarterbacks coach, I think for the Cowboys last I checked. I've been trying to check him down. He's not on social media. If you look at, if you, if you search Google news for Scott Tolzine, the last article was posted on the Dallas Cowboys website. It looks like it's just a press conference. Scott Tolzine colon, meet on the bone. Scott Tolzine shares his thoughts following a 47 and nine loss to the Detroit line. But he said, it said at least it cost Sean Green 800,000. Oh my gosh. What? Oh, it did. Wow. There's some debate that should Scott Tolzine be on the Wisconsin quarterback Mount Rushmore. That's got to be an awesome Mount Rush. Here are some great comments from back in May when he was discussing how Dak is teaching quote, quote, uh, or he's teaching Trey Lance, quote, to learn the ropes. All right. This is pissing me off. Don't bring up Scott Tolzine. It's getting paid by the Cowboys. This is really salt in the wounds. That is a disgusting act. All right. Let's close it out with a nice dee gens only prepped it. You know, I'm a good general for me. Hold on. I'm sorry. When he got promoted, the headline is Dallas Cowboys promote Scott Tolzine to quarterback coach, comma Dak Prescott's primary tutor. I mean, look at this guy's face. Well, and shots you Scott, because you've single handedly helped destroy the Cowboys, which I appreciate that as a goodwill judge. Would you know what he looked like if you had him in front of you? No, not at all. Like I, I don't know if I could picture his face without a, oh, there you go. What? I, I guess that's what a Scott Tolzine looks like. Yeah. It almost makes you feel better. Right? Yeah, I guess. Now I know who would you rather look like this or have $800,000 stuff call. Yeah. All right. What do we got for that? You want to go first or? Yeah, I'll go first. I'll keep it simple. Uh, all three of these guys that gave out anytime touchdown. Why not put them together? 125 to one Carson Wentz, Tyler Huntley, Nate Adkins, two quarterbacks and a touchdown, all to get a touchdown. One more time for the people. Carson Wentz, Tyler Huntley, Nate Adkins, 125 to one. Now there is, that's with, I think, Huntley at like 250. So we'll see what that actually closes that. But that's a, that's a DJ and only profit. I have to diet of touchdowns this weekend. Went's hotly hot. Wentz Huntley. Atkins diet. Yep. That can suck. The second diet joke went over smooth. No carbs there. No carbs. Just some lean. No, no meat on that. Scott Kramer, what do you got? What's your DJ and only profit? I thought you would be doing this. Okay. But there's a, there's a game going on this weekend. You mentioned last time Carson Wentz played at 17 rushes. Yeah. I do think they're going to be live doing this game. Carson Wentz, two touchdowns, Chiefs win the game, 119 to one. Oh, well, there you go. That's amazing. Oh my God. What went to touchdowns in general? The price I saw was 50 to one. Okay. But I expect you, I expect you, that was in a faraway places that speak Spanish. So I have a feeling you will be able to find a better number on shore. Okay. I didn't see one. Actually, I believe my book, he has 50 to one. I was going to say, how many Carson Wentz, two touchdown games has he had in his career? If I had a guess? Yeah. I would assume that number is somewhere in the four to six range zero. Really? Yeah, which is crazy. I, I didn't recall one. And obviously a former Carson Wentz fan. The game he tore his ACL. He didn't score two touchdowns. No, he didn't. But he still have the fat head. No, I got really, but it did help him win the Super Bowl. So that was pretty awesome. That's gonna be a patron episode. What? Just lost romances. Oh, oh, yes. He had a full size, a human size Carson Wentz fat head. It was a pretty sweet fat him. Wow. All right, you're up. Wentz did take over. It was Wentzlevania to take over the city. Yeah, come on. It was fun. Like that, that leading up to that game, which I was at in the Coliseum there. I was also there. Like terrible. It was amazing until it wasn't and finding out on the walkout that there was AC. It was so weird. Like everyone was checking the phone and what a great prediction by me. Well, what a great prediction by me. If you recall, I cursed you for cursing Carson Wentz and said they're going to win the fucking Super Bowl and they did shout out to Nick Foles. Not many gambling shows putting out clips after predicting a quarterback will tear his ace. Sorry, Carson. Not really. You're right. You're apparently an asshole, but I'm going to need you to score two touchdowns. People are not like that Carson Wentz, but we do. And we're doing a correlated DJN parlay. Usually we, yeah, we hop on each other's back off the props. This is the first time I think we've done three DJN parlays all with the same play in there. And that's Carson Wentz. Anytime touchdown, I'm starting my base off. So this is two things that need to happen. Carson Wentz plus 600. That's automatic. That's already happening. We understand that same game. Same team. First touchdown parlayed with this DeAndre Hopkins. If you look at this contract since Andy Reed said, you know, when I asked Andy Reed, do you know, what do you do with a contract and sentence? Do you like to, you know, especially I go, Oh yeah, I try to get the, if it's achievable, I will definitely try to get it for them. You know, I like to do that. He's a very, very much of a player coach that way. His numbers are he needs nine catches for 140 yards. That seems a bit much because I don't, I doubt they're going to play him that much. But he, in any time touchdown for him, one more touchdown is 500 K for DeAndre Hopkins. It's 250 K each for the nine catches in the 140 yards. So we get him a first touchdown, then getting him out of the game. That's 20. That's 25 to one. Okay, DeAndre Hopkins, first touchdown, 25 to one parlay with a Carson Wentz anytime touchdown, six to one, put that together. That's 181 to one. Yeah, I like that. I do think the, yeah, the not the, it does seem a little bit unattainable. But when I stunt, when I was looking at that, I like your touchdown angle, by the way, I stumbled into the Justin Watson angle. Okay. Again, I'm sure not being widely reported, but Justin Watson, I believe he needs like three or four catches for a 200 K bonus. So that's nice. But yeah, no, I think, I think D hop guy. I actually would, I'm going to sprinkle a Justin case ladder. Justin case ladder hop. Why not first half? They roll him out there and just this load him up with stuff. We call those rope ladders to see emergency rope ladders. You fall, you drop down there. You know, ownership sends a letter. If the coach is like, just doling out money. No, I, I think they, I also think they realize it's like, you know, give it out of free play. Like, yeah, I think it's, I think it's, oh, hey, oh, we're missing. I think they want these guys to get paid because then other people hear about it and be like, Oh yeah, this is a, you want to play for coach Reed, he'll get you paid. And I think, and I think they do like those old sports movies, like coaches, you know, players versus the owner, because Kansas City has notoriously cheap ownership where they won't redo the locker room and all these things. But Reed, so they, he knows he can't be fired. He can't be budged. No, he's going to want to get them to the numbers. So I like a nice emergency rope ladder for DeAndre Hopkins as well, for sure. But I see him kind of like, try to get him an early touchdown, early numbers and get him out of there. Yeah, I like the, and I think that's a good angle, especially for some of these starters that are going to be playing a little bit. Look towards those first touchdowns. That's a fun. He's also plus 450 for any time DeAndre Hopkins by the way. All right. It is fun to look at these incentives. You can tell Dehop's contract has a lot. 95 catches in a thousand 50 yards and 10 touchdowns. Yeah, you would have gotten $3.8 million additional. Well, that's what's funny. One, two. Yeah, because that was part of a one Tennessee trade and moreover, like the incentives come with them. Yeah, you, you get all this. You're on the hunt. Yeah. All right. Hey, good times. Appreciate everyone tuning in. As always, my bookie daddy G promo code S G P N. Make sure you subscribe to the bottom line bombs podcast with CJ Sullivan, always a fun hang with the C generates over there, tune into our recent show Friday night 11 o'clock East, recent.com YouTube TV. We also got the pre-game show noon East over on the YouTube channel. And yeah, check out the merch store, put you good stuff going on over there. And of course, thank you for participating in the sports game and podcast for the sports game of the podcast. I'm Sean, second of only green. He's Ryan. Oh, contract incentives are fun. Kramer, let it ride.
The guys (@GamblingPodcast) give out their favorite NFL player props in this NFL week 18 props podcast. They’re joined by C.J. Sullivan (@CJSullivan_) from The Bottom Line Bombs podcast to talk best bets for NFL props this week. Additionally they give out NFL player prop bets on Carson Wentz, Russell Wilson and Tyler Huntley.
