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It is the best I could do grind on. Yeah. Lot to get to week 18, right? Can you believe it's already week 18? I'm stealing your bits left and right. Like can I maybe start a new bit? I can't remember a more obvious. I don't want to call it a more obvious. I know you're you in the gambling gods get get upset. But is this not the least shine of a week 18 we've had in some years. Least shine meaning like let little small amount up for grabs playoff. Yeah. Everything's been sorted. There's not a lot on the tag. Obviously we'll have our action out there. But as far as like meaningful games, I feel like we have an all time low for week 18. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, we got the number one seat in the NFC. We have AFC North is up for grabs. There's some there's some minor playoff seating around that. But yeah, I don't know. I think it comes and goes as far as, you know, what year, how many, how many things are up for grabs? I don't know. It's not it's not standing out to me as super super locked up. But I mean, you know, C is pretty huge. I it's like the only thing we really got though. I guess that would be the argument. And I guess what I was angling at is maybe Sean, we needed one more playoff team. Think about all the additional drama that in the hunt graphic was one more deep. I mean, we don't we don't want to end up like couch football, although shout out to and we'll talk about it on our next couch football picks episode. Um, shout out to Kim Skadaboon, Arizona State forks up. Great run. Almost hit. I mean, my God, right? Not only Arizona State Moneyline, but that parlay I gave out of Illinois Moneyline with Arizona State Moneyline. My God, that was a incredible sweat. Didn't get home. And then Ohio State's I hit both my locks. That was a cake walk against that fraudulent as Oregon team. And then unfortunately, yeah, with the terror attacks, thoughts and prayers. That was crazy story. Now that games Notre Dame, Georgia is being played next afternoon. But any any any college football takes a rhyme before we get into professional football here. No, no, I it sucks that people are going to use this use this as the reason why things need to change. It's like, it's like guys, this is the first iteration. What do we learn? Home games are important. Maybe this neutral neutral round isn't giving much of an advantage to the higher seated team. And yeah, figure it out perhaps and don't give the top four seats to the automatic bids. Other than that, yeah, it's been fine. We've had some blowouts. Guess what? The NFL has blowouts too. It's bound to happen. I this it's like so ridiculous listening to some of the I guess my overarching take is the SEC fans have somehow gotten worse. This new playoff where they haven't been super successful has somehow brought us to a world where they're more obnoxious. And their takes are more as you know, Sean, here's here's what sums up college football in 2024. Kurt Herb Street getting community noted about Kurt Herb's Kurt Herb Street saying that the haters are going to hate in regards to Alabama not being in the playoff. Basically comment about Alabama. Guess they didn't deserve to be there because they lost the Michigan. Not a very good showing for Kaitlyn Devauer and the boys. Herb Street says says, make some comment to which community notes basically says quotes him when he was picking apart the selection committee. So I don't know. I will. I'm excited for the top four. I'm excited for the championship. I'm not going to stop watching. I'm very angry at college. I'm both agreeing that a move saved college football with his incredible touchdown. He had like in 90 seconds. He had a touchdown throw a touchdown run and a two point conversion. The dude was just awesome. It was it was that was the highlight for me. Yeah, I'd say the highlight for me is just all these whiny bitchy college football fans who are right this year. The playoff is kind of lame. They're kind of right this year, but also like fuck off. You're being a baby. A lot of whiny pitch activity. Kyle P. Ryan Vikings fan saying, Holy shit, biggest game in NFL regular season history. I mean, how could I mean, it's two 14 and two teams playing. Obviously this is going to be the first time ever that a 14 team, 14 win team will end up being a wild card, which is kind of a crazy break for whoever doesn't win the division. But two 14 win teams playing. I don't know off the top of my head. I don't I don't have they ever played. Mate. I don't know. I'm I'm trying to remember a time at least not in recent memory and two 14 win teams being in the same division. I'll have to do some research on that. But that that is pretty crazy. So historic is certainly in that sense. Well, like Dick Puncher has taught us that this is the great like the Packers of the greatest third place team in the history of the NFL. Yeah. I mean, if you want to just call it by wins, this is the I'll if you want to compare. It's an anticipated game, I guess, but to say the biggest game in regular season history would involve some level of anticipation that I've yet not yet felt for this game. So disagree. Wow. I'm excited for it. I'm excited too. I'm not saying it's the biggest regular season game ever. You're not you're not a Vikings fan like Kyle B. Ryan, because the fact that the Vikings are 14 win team is crazy. I went through it. I graded. We did the Westgate wind total contest, Ryan. And I went through and I graded how I did on the sheet so far. There are actually three teams that are still I'm 18 and 11 with three still outstanding. Now there is one the Colts. I think I ended up changing for our show. But when we put it in, I had the over at the Westgate. Unfortunately, I changed my mind on the show, but that was too late to put it in a Westgate 18 and 11 right now. The Ravens, which I have it under there at 11 wins right now, 17 and that point favors don't feel great about that. The Cardinals, Ryan, they're sitting at seven wins. I had them on the over. I'm sure you did as well. Westgate had it as a seven. So that's a push right now. And then the other one is is the Texans at nine and a half. I had it as an over and they're sitting at nine. So I have a chance. Cardinals is at least a push. I would be very lucky if the if the Ravens get as a push Texans. I really could see going either way. So maybe I'll get to 20 wins. That would be pretty sweet there for the Westgate. What is our prediction? What was our prediction for the winner, like 22, 23, 23, 23, 23, 23, like that. Yeah, it's talking to Matt humans over there on Visa. And I think West Reynolds won with like a 21 or 22. So maybe, maybe not good would probably probably missed by a couple there. But fun, fun going through the wind total. And I know it enough. How do you not fire on that every year? But that's a very easy $200 contest. I highly recommend it can have definitely run it back next year. Fun, fun, fun to sweat there. Ryan, I don't know if you, one of my Christmas gifts I got. Look at this. No, beautiful, beautiful, Saquon Barkley, Jersey, Saquon Barkley, of course, in the news everywhere. Everyone throwing their hot takes on whether or not the Eagles should rest Saquon Barkley or should go after him or should play him and let him go after Eric Dickerson's rushing record. This, this particular take got to me. And I thought was worth sharing on the show courtesy of Rahim Palmer, the decision to sit Saquon Barkley and not go for the single season Russian record is everything that is wrong with sports in 2025. We've collectively made it to where nothing matters, but championships and it's ruining sports. It's anti fan, anti competitive and anti fun. I hope the Eagles lose in the first round. So Rahim, if you don't know him, he's on the Ringer gambling show. He's also a guy who grew up in Philadelphia, became a Cowboys fan. So I don't know what's going on with her. He'm here, but I, I disagree with his take on so many levels. First off, he's, he's saying like sports have become too much about championships. What are you talking about? Yes, winning the Super Bowl is the main thing. Let's keep the main thing. The main thing. It's a team goal to try and win the Super Bowl, not just pad your stats and have win your fantasy football championship and have all these accolades. And yes, I think if, if Saquon was legitimately close to getting the record, they would put him out there. Hey, if he needed 20, 40 yards, he needs a hundred and one yards to break Dickerson's record. Dickerson broke it in 14 games. Now maybe he does it in less attempts. Yeah, it would have been a cool thing to do, but the Eagles are going to have a playoff game the following week. He's had 60 carries in the past two games. He's had a tremendous workload. The Eagles had their bi week after the fourth game in week five. Now, what are you going to put Saquon Barkley out there and not put out the entire offensive line? So you're going to risk injury injury. Lane Johnson, Jordan, my lot of Cam Jurgens, Mackay Beckton, all these guys landed Dickerson who have been nursing injuries the entire time just to have some meaningless rushing record. I, I, yeah, it would be awesome for Saquon. I'm sure he would love to have his former team break the, you know, to break the rushing record against his former team and shove it down their throat. But what are we talking about? They act like he's opting out of a bowl game. Like it's a, it's a regular season game. The Eagles won 13 games. They have the option now to rest their starters for the playoff game. What are we talking about? It's anti competitive anti fun. It's a team sports. You're trying to do what you can to win the fucking Super Bowl, not set some records. What am I missing? Right? Oh, I would say I have some notes here. Like not even kidding. I actually started crafting a my own quote, but once I saw you had already published something, I figured I wouldn't, I wouldn't recreate the wheel here. But first of all, when you sent me this, I, I, the way that it's written to say that all that matters or nothing matters but championships. I thought it was a, I thought it was a well crafted joke. I thought it was a well crafted engagement farming internet troll job. Like this is, this is West, West Steinberg at his finest. Like this, I mean, I saw coach prime and West, by the way, going back and forth after he put out a fake shit, her standards, real quick. I want to lose. Sorry. Go ahead. The chat, I just want to read about a couple of the things that Chad saying. Anson saying, he may never get this opportunity again though. Anson, they're on a 13 win team. You might not get that opportunity again. And why did Saquon go from the Giants to the Eagles? Why was he so excited to get the teacher in the hat and win the NFC East? You might not have a chance to be on a team this good. 13 win seasons. Don't just fall from the sky. Like every other year, the Eagles have a legit shot to win the Super Bowl. You might not have that chance. Okay. Like that to me is a more important chance at breaking any sort of record. So, yeah, starting from a place where I thought this, this very much I was, okay, he's not a funny guy. This is actually serious. Let me continue on break, break the glass. I went on a complete tangent here because my takeout, well, first of all, you're insane. If you think Saquon Barkley gives a shit about this, and this is not a a recency take, go back to his time coming into the league, going into into his time during on the Giants. It was never really about personal accolade for Saquon Barkley. He, he wanted to do the right thing by the team, do the right thing by the team, do the right thing by the team, even in the, I mean, think about the contract negotiation shit with the Giants. A lot of that was over, you know, kind of the idea that he wanted to retire a giant. He saw value in that. He wanted to be loyal to the team. And so, first of all, coming from that perspective, it seems like you just don't watch ball. And it's disgusting that you are like a representative for a major sports betting brand. You're a representative for a major media band brand, major, major sports media brand. And you clearly don't know shit about shit. Start starting with the point where how can you be a Cowboys fan in Philadelphia? I would also say, continuing on with the, you know, you don't know ball, Raheem here, he reminds me of every parent I encounter on a youth sports sideline. And I think there's a lot of our audience that's going to relate to this. There are a lot of people on the sideline that, that hem and ha about their kid. They're, they're all juiced up for game day. Everyone knows the guy. And they never, you know why they're excited for their kid out there? You know why they're screaming like a madman at the ref? Because they never got that feel. They don't know what it feels like. I think Raheem here doesn't know what it feels like to win, doesn't know what it feels like to have personal accolades or any of that shit. Because clearly his prioritization mechanism is me first, money first, personal goals first. So if he worked for me, Raheem, I wouldn't think about, you know, is this guy a team player? Or is he just here for Raheem? That's where he's looking out for a team, getting some great engagement. Also, I mean, it's great engagement. But when you reply to your own great engagement farming troll job with, I'm going to mute this right now, I just wanted to see him break the record against his old team. You're a fucking loser. You're a fucking loser. Third, third, if you want to have a valid debate about competitive, competitive integrity, and all of that shit, because none of us want the NFL to turn into the NBA, where load management turns into a valid reason to miss a fucking game. Well, then then you have to talk about are there requirements to playing guys? My personal opinion, I do think that there is an integrity of the game. But I also think that if you earn the right to rest key players for a more important situation, that's fine. The same thing I said last week, when I said you don't go into a room full of grown ass men and tell them, Hey guys, we're losing for the guys next year. Fuck you. So in this case, I guarantee it went like this. I bet your Nick Sirihani wanted him to go out there, but Saquan's like, No, I don't, I do not want to go out there. I guarantee Saquan had to make this decision for himself. And I guarantee he did make the decision for himself. So well, and it does seem like he came out. Initially, he was like, No, I don't care about the record. And then, you know, like a couple of days later, I think his dad got to him. And he was like, yeah, my dad was really bummed. And it would have been cool. And I might not get the opportunity. And yeah, I was down to do it. But you know, like he's, he was backtracking his, his original statement a little bit. But you if you recall earlier in the year, there was a miked up where Sirihani went to him. And I think it was either against the giants of the Cowboys, you had a ton of rushing yards, he had a chance to set his personal record. And Sirihani said, Hey, you're at like 180, whatever, do you want to go for it? And he goes, now let the other guy, let the young guys eat. So that to me, like identifies his mindset. Yeah, I would be awesome to see someone break this record. Sure, it's cool. Records are fun. But so is waiting the Super Bowl. Like, do you remember now? Certainly a lot of that was pent up and it was the Eagles for a Super Bowl. When the Eagles won the Super Bowl, the city was insane. They were like grown men weeping in the streets. Like people are visiting their, you know, parents grave site to like leave keepsakes about what this Super Bowl meant to this city in this franchise. Like a Super Bowl is the goal. And you could make a decent, if you wanted to make a case, rest versus rust. Sure, we could have that debate all, you know, the entire, the entire show, right? Because Hey, the Lions, they're going for it. They're going after it. They don't care. You know, Sam LaPorta got hurt last year. Did it hurt their chances? Maybe in the NFC conference game? Did they, did they eventually maybe hit a little wall? Maybe maybe not? Maybe maybe that momentum helped carry them? Like, I think there's you can debate the rest versus rust all you want. But for me, a guy who had 60 carries in the past two games, a guy who's had a tremendous amount of touches as you and, and your buddy, your buddy Terrell, you guys were just celebrating the fact of how many touches he had, um, and that you were hoping he would get the 400. And then I would have to predict injury on say, quad reporting the news, Sean, first of all, second of all, that touches, like, I, and, and all they haven't had a, they haven't had a break in, you know, 17 or whatever. How many weeks? Like, I have no problem with them taking resting some of the key starters here. If Dan Campbell wants to attack in a different way, sure, I get it. And hey, that's been working for them. But there, there are consequences last last year, week 18, they had a very small chance of maybe winning the division. If, if the Cowboys ended up losing to the Redskins and then they played some of their starters and look, AJ Brown got hurt and they couldn't use them in the, in the playoff game. And that not having AJ Brown for the CEO's offense is a huge deal. What am I missing? I mean, again, I think, I think the Dan Campbell thing is a different. It's a, it's a slightly different conversation because I, you know, you can point to the fact that the Lions have a lot of injuries, but I think there is something to coaching a certain way and consistency around how you coach. I do think the idea of like, Oh, well, we're going to pull back in this situation. Or if this happens, we're going to do this, you know, honestly, that's, that is generally how people get hurt. You go into a, and I hate to continue, continually layer on coaching experience from the youth sports streets. But when you go into a situation confident and your team knows they're better than the team they're playing. When your team knows they're going to get a bunch of rest because this game doesn't matter. That's when someone actually gets hurt. So I would say that, you know, in some ways, if you're going to rest people, do it, do it all the way. Don't do this bullshit. We are like, Oh yeah, they're going to start a couple of drives. Now personally, if I was a coach, I think when I'm looking at a scenario where I have a team that hasn't accomplished shit, I need I'd, I'm not resting period. Like that's my, like really the only team where I'd be good resting in this situation is the chiefs because I know they can turn the switch back on. There's not another team in the league where I've seen them turn the switch back on. And then specifically, if I was going to throw a doubles advocate argument back at you, I would say, well, they kind of have been pushing Barkley extremely hard down the stretch here. And so the record doesn't matter to say that's why I said, I think the record mattered to the team. And I think, I think there was a like his usage last week, I think they, I think they, I think, well, one, I mean, one, you know, also they were playing without Jalen hurts for the majority of the, the Washington game. And then for the game last week against Dallas. So yeah, and also they wanted it to get him to 2000. They got him to 2000. He got 2000 yards in the 16 yard season. I mean, that's the part where it get you lose me a little bit because it's like, okay, it's not about this record. It's about that record. He didn't need 31 carries in the last game. If you're worried about his touches, he is going to absolutely go over 400 touches unless you guys get bounced in the first round. And he doesn't, I think he only needs what 25 touches or something like that. So he's going to reach a level he's never seen before he's going to reach a level not many running backs have seen before. And certainly not many running backs have continued to play well afterwards. But all of that being said, again, I would probably not make the choice to rest unless I was the chiefs. But I don't, I don't generally have my issue is generally when people make a fuss about it. I mean, if you want to bring it all the way back, like really, you guys want to see what you had and sudden felt like don't make up a bullshit narrative. We're resting our guys because we can rest our guys. We don't give a shit about this game because we're out of the playoffs and we're going to see some fucking rookies. Okay, I think I think too often there is a game played with it. And I think that's, that's a fair argument to pick apart. Now if we're looping all the way back to Rahim, well, and, and I see the chat saying why play him against Dallas because they needed to beat Dallas to win the division. Like that to me, that's why you played him. Again, you play him against Dallas to win the division. Yes, but you run them 31 times to get just over 2000 yards because you want a superficial note. And I think it's, I think I think it's a fine line. Like, yeah, could they have maybe pulled them out of the game at like 25 carries? Sure. But I think if it's a few carries, that's one thing. If he was close, they probably would put him in for the record, but he needs 101 yards. And I'm sure if they're the giants would just load up the box and try and injure him. And you know, because they don't want to be embarrassed by having this, you know, meaningless game turned into this Segua and record thing. So I think it would turn into a huge distraction. I don't think it would necessarily be a huge morale win for the Eagles. And yeah, I, I think Nick Serion is doing the right thing by Reston. All right. And I think we should as an audience to the sports gambling podcast, we should lay off of Sean's predictions for the 2025 season because he won't make those until the off season. So let's not ask Sean if he's going to predict injury from firing from fantasy football as a network ride. And so I don't know if I'll be making any fantasy football prediction. So great, great reminder and great way out. All right. We got a lot of games to get to it. Of course, head over to my bookie dot a G use a promo code as GP and get the 100% deposit match up to $1,000. If you're not on my bookie dot a G what do you wait for? My bookie dot a G promo code as GP and easy deposit. He's the 100% match up to $1,000 terms and conditions apply. Get the early cash out if you want. You don't want that early cash out. Faster bet settlement. It's super easy deposit and withdrawals with that sweet sweet cryptocurrency. Again, terms and conditions apply on the deposit match, but it's 100% up to $1,000 from a good SGP and my bookie. Daddy G promo code S G E. All right. Lot to get to. We got Maximus in the chat saying I'm wondering what the week 18 flow chart is for teams that don't give a shit. So the one angle is or the one trend that I stumbled upon here is teams that need it versus teams that don't. The teams that don't need it 60% ATS. And there's three spots that have that have that situation. You got the Panthers at the Falcons. You got the Saints at the bucks. And you got the dolphins at the jet. So all kind of instinctively you would not want to be attracted to the team that doesn't need it. But again, those are kind of the spots historically if you want to look at that kind of situation. But I'm sure we'll get into these right. What do we got here? What do we, what do we do it? Well, and I was going to say even beyond that, I feel like, and maybe this year is just a little bit different, but because so much of this year is muddled in nonsense. I also kind of, I almost want to ignore like for some of these games, we're just not even going to talk about what's even happened last week or this season because I don't know if it matters. And Evan pop in the chat saying, is this a week to throw out a bunch of DJ and parlays? Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm a degenerate, especially with the, you know, hopefully we're able to do a props episode, but I think there's a lot of like interesting prop opportunities. I'm sure the numbers will be late because, you know, they don't want to get exposed. But if you have some like good backup angles, certainly quarterbacks like Carson Wentz, Tyler Huntley, these guys that are playing for their lives, you know, them getting rushing touchdowns is always, always intriguing. And then even some of these backup receivers running backs will chiply on the Eagles. I think it's interesting in some props stuff. So I think there is a lot of interesting prop stuff. It'll just be when, when does it pop? I'm sure yeah, Dick puncher's talking about Mike Evans. He has a bunch of incentive stuff on top of the fact that they need this game to win the division to get into the playoffs. So yeah, we'll kind of note some of those and I have some of the incentive stuff up. But yeah, let's get, let's get into it because we got to do you think, Sean, we will have prop. Would you think we'll have widely open prop markets for before Friday morning? I don't know. I could see, I think it could be like a game by game thing, right? Because I think like the games where it's the motivation is obvious. Allah, Detroit, Minnesota. We, I think they'll have props stuff up for teams where it's obvious both teams need it. The issue is games like, games like the bills, Patriots, where, you know, the bills don't need it. The pets obviously have been eliminated from the playoffs. They're being real coy with whether or not they're going to play Drake May, you know, drawed males like, Hey, if he's healthy, he's playing, but he keeps reminding them by saying if he's healthy, obviously, pets don't want to win the game as a as an organization, but I'm sure Drake may want to beat the bills. So yeah, like I feel like those games might be pretty late to open, but something like Detroit, Minnesota, I would imagine they're probably less and less scared to hang a number on that. Like I'm already scared golf props up. I was going to say we're just going to be given out props from games that matter, not the fun games that the chat's alluding to, but the good stuff is going to be in the game. I mean, basically, we're going to be betting on a bunch of third string quarterback rushing totals this week. All right. Yes, let's get to it. I also for the record, if you if you don't remember last year, we made a determination that with the additional playoff team, the close your eyes special has to be zapped in week 18. It doesn't make any sense for these teams sliding down the slippery hill. So we won't have any of those this week either. No Thursday night football this week. As the prime crew reminded you by putting Ryan Fitzpatrick and a Sherman, a ice bath together, they'll see you again on playoff weekend. We got playoff football on prime, but not this week on Thursday night, we go to Saturday, which Sean, I don't know if you've dove into the speculation as to why these teams are playing on Saturday. But basically we're getting the AFC North teams playing all on Saturday, 1 30 PM here on the West Coast for the first game Cleveland, Baltimore Ravens, of course, coming off extended rest from a complete thumping boy. Was I right on that one, Sean, against the Houston Texans. They're now laying 17 and a half against the Cleveland team that has recently reworked to Sean Watson's contract. So he can be the starting quarterback in 2025 minus 1,700 on the Moneyline Cleveland, plus 1,080 41 is the total. I don't know DTR really does not look like a very good NFL quarterback. Snoop Huntley looked like a much I was watching this with family. And as we know, there were only two games on at the time. And I mean, Snoop Huntley looked like a guy that at least you can entertain on an NFL roster in the next couple of years. DTR is cooked and they're starting him. So I don't quite understand. Yeah, I mean, 17 and a half. Jesus. No, it's it's this. Again, this is week 18 because my first note is DTR is unbedible as the big takeaway. But then you look at, you look at some of the numbers. Oh, you got Lamar Jackson, home divisional games, right? What do you 15 home divisional games? What do you think his ATS record is? It's bad. He's horrible as a favorite in these games. Like it's just a favorite. Yeah. And this is, this is weird that the NFL did this, right? Because obviously, you know, Steelers. So if you don't know the playoffs and air, Steelers, they can win the AFC North if the Browns beat the Ravens and the Steelers win. So normally they would play these games at the same time. I guess the NFL just said, screw it. Because I think this is, this is obviously the NFL telling us that Super Wild Card Week and one of the games, the early, the earliest game is going to be the AFC North game. That's why they're both playing the Steelers and the Ravens on this, on this game, I would imagine, right? Because they, they want them to play on Saturday again. That would be the only reason they would do this on a Saturday, at least in my mind. I think they're also, I mean, I think they've made a mistake, but I think if I'm backing into it, I think they think that they're not altering any sort of competitive balance here by having the Steelers go after the Ravens. So Ravens, when basically it's, if this is more of like a bank, this kind of can help the bangles. Am I right? If the, like, when the Ravens win the first game? Oh, yeah, definitely. Because this, well, yeah, if the Ravens win the game, the Steelers have been eliminated from AFC North. They don't have a chance to win the division. Now they still have something to play for that five or six seed versus the Chargers. Now, I don't know how much they care about that. Um, I imagine they're still going to, it's an AFC North game. I don't know. Maybe they do pull some of their starters, depending on how they feel about it or like maybe they don't go all out in that spot. I don't know, I still think you would want to play for the five seed in the, in the AFC playoff because you want to match up against the Houston Texans, right? So I think that's pretty appetizing as a team. So I think they would still play a hundred percent there, given that. So, but getting back to this game with the Ravens. Yeah, I mean, oh, Justice Hill is an interesting, he needs 117 receiving yards for 250 K or eight receptions for 250,000. So maybe Justice Hill gets them a check down garbage stuff. Never like, never liked the Cleveland defense on the road. But I don't know, man, 17 and a half is too crazy. I'm going to take the Browns, get in the 17 and a half. I just, I, I get why you could take the Ravens. I understand the appeal, but this is a division game. We see these all the time in week 18. They put these division games at week 18, just in case there's like a division online, try and make things extra interesting. I think Browns empty the kitchen. And I think they, 17 and a half is crazy. And Miles Garrett is tied for the NFL sack leader with Trey Hendrickson. So I think there is a little extra motivation for him. I don't know if he has any money tied to leading the league in sacks, but I'm sure that's a point of pride for him. So I will take the Browns in the getting 17 and a half points. All those contracts tend to have the extreme escalator stuff. So I, I'm sure a guy like Garrett has all sorts of award and top, top of the league bonuses. You have to take the points. I think you also, you know, it's your earlier point in any sort of scenario where a team needs it versus a team that doesn't I'm just taking the team that doesn't even in this case where they would have covered this number last week for what it's worth as horrible as they looked and need it meaning need the win to get into the playoffs to clarify that, that trend that I had pulled earlier. So I'm expanding on that. I'm expanding on it to purely a if I think the, if I, if I, if I think you're playing to win the game, I'm fading you this week. Yes, 18 and a half is crazy. So game number two, again, I think they've made a mistake here because you've obviously created a path where you can, you know, in theory, allow Sensi to have an easier path and thus affect the Broncos, true ability to get into the, even though there's some shenanigans going on with that game, we'll get to later. 5 p.m. on the west coast, bangles, Steelers, Steelers also coming off that extended rest, bangles continue to, I mean, again, if they could only win a couple games early in the season, they wouldn't have this silly. It's like, I mean, I get it. Joe Burrough is awesome. This team going on this run, but we have to give him some accountability for the early season stuff. I know this year, it's all about the defense, but you got to win some of these early games, Joe. Minus, maybe, maybe he's out on a, you know, on LinkedIn looking at resumes for personal assistance. Yeah, you got to get the, the Gatling gun recharge for the old, the Batmobile. How do you have time to, how do you have time to like, does he take that to Jiffy Loob? Just, there's not, I don't imagine there's a lot of mechanics in Cincinnati who are familiar with servicing the Batmobile. Like where does he take that? Oh, I mean, it sounds like someone tried to take it for him when they showed up to his house. I want a, I want a photo of you taking the Batmobile to Skyline chili and just showing up there. Like Revan, Revan in the parking lot. Like, Oh man. So what are we doing here? Ryan bangles, uh, Steelers, uh, bangles, minus one and a half, minus one 18 on the Moneyline Steelers plus 148 is the total. So in theory, the Steelers won't need this game because the Ravens are going to win, not cover it against the Browns. So again, they, I, I think they still kind of need it because I think getting that five seed and not having to play, um, you know, one of the top three seeds or yeah, that's the other thing because if yeah, almost if they lose, they would play the Ravens. Uh, they would play the sealers would play the Ravens again. And they might kind of welcome that. Um, but I, I still feel like if you're the AFC, you want to play the Houston Texans. So playing for the five seed, I think would be decent motivation now. You know, for, for Tomlin, it's probably playing to knock your division rival out of the playoffs. Like to me, that's the biggest source of motivation. I, that's why I think regardless of what happens in the first game and just seems to be where I Pittsburgh as a dog here in a spot where they might, you know, people might not might be talking about like, Hey, they lost the division, you know, maybe they don't need to go balls out. Also, yeah, it just seems like it's Tomlin. They're going to finish the season. This is what are we talking about here? They're a home dog, right? Are we, are we dumb to do it one more time? No. Well, you know, Maximus, I see in the chat saying the Steelers team feels so dead. And I understand that sentiment, but let's say you were a Steelers backer. You had a bunch of Steelers futures. I think you could talk yourself into the idea of like, yeah, they're they're not maybe the best team in the AFC. But also they, they played three of the three of the toughest teams, arguably in the NFL in an 11 game span, right? Like that was, I mean, that was really a brutal stretch there for the Steelers. Now, certainly they didn't play well, but you're playing, you're playing the Chiefs on Christmas day. After what? Four days rest to a Saturday game in Baltimore, which, you know, Raven's getting revenge in that division totally makes sense. And then you lose to the Eagles at home and you play the Ravens on short rest, then you have the steal the cheat. You play the Chiefs, Eagles and Ravens, Eagles and Ravens on the road, Chiefs at home on Christmas Day, all within a 11 game span. Now you're at home, you're playing on extended rest. Hamlin's great on extended rest. The bangles right tackle is out. So you got high Smith and TJ watch just licking their chops ready to light up this bangles team and really put them in their season. That to me is a very, very tempting offer. And the Steelers offense, they looked awesome against the bangles defense. They put up 44 points against them. And the Steelers have kind of had their, the bangles number. Also Mike Tomlin, Ryan, this is a great trend I stumbled upon 14 and two ATS after losing by 20 points or more. So Tomlin loses by 20. That's your own clothes, your eye special 14 and two ATS. Of course I'm going to be on the Steelers as a home dog. What are you doing Kramer? Oh, worth noting the bangles catching almost 80% of the bats, but only 50% of the handles. So look, I think the counter argument, yeah, the long rest here versus versus bait versus bait. I mean, honestly, this bangles team at what point do the injuries mount up at what point and the does the offense, you know, have a little bit of a hiccup. If the offense is going to have a hiccup, could you see him having that hiccup against the team like the Steelers? There's just a bunch of reasons why I can talk my way into this. And then, of course, I'm going to love it as a teaser, like, plus seven and a half Mike Tomlin at home. Joe Burrow needed some magic to cover a number last week, not, not this week. All right. Yeah. There's nothing like a sweating out a, a Broncos money line on a, on a carnival cruise line in the sports bar. I mean, that was that the Broncos to get it to overtime. And then just to not, not get the cover there. Oh God. That was perfect. So we're both on the Steelers, right? Both on the Steelers, shocking development. The show is on the Steelers Sunday morning, 10 a.m. window. We got eight games. A lot of them have very little meaning in terms of playoff football. A lot of the teams that won't be playing in the postseason. One of them, the New Orleans Saints is taking on the Tampa Bay bucks. Bucks needed all the way, Sean, laying 13 minus 900 on the Moneyline Saints plus 625. 43 and a half is the total. Oh, okay. So I said I'm fading all the needed teams. And I know the bucks need it. Is it possible that that that Darren Rizzy and this team are just completely rod is that we 13 points might not be enough. It might not be enough for this offensive group. No, I mean, this is what's so hilarious. Right? Like you see these trends of, of a, okay. They need it. They don't. All right. You got to take the team that doesn't need it. But then you look at this team that doesn't need it. And you're thinking, how can I back this Saints team with Spencer Rattler on the road against a against the Tampa Bay team that's man, they've, they've really looked really good at times. I don't know. I still don't know how they messed up that game against against Dallas. Like how do they lose that Cowboys team? I'm still couldn't really make sense of that. But they, they, their offices looked really good. Defense creates some turnovers. I mean, the Todd Bowls defense versus Spencer Rattler. How is that not just a spot? Right. And you have all the Mike Evans incentives. He's going to be involved. I don't think anyone on the Saints defense can slow them down. How do we not? How do we not take the Tampa Bay bucks? I mean, again, it is 13 points. It is a lot of pressure on the bucks. Saints are, are playing with nothing to lose. Are you pulling the trigger on the bucks laying 13, right? And one other note on the Mike Evans front. Yeah. Latimer. No longer a member of the Saints, which, you know, that was his Kryptonite right there. That was the one that was what made this matchup not so good for him. Look, historically, he's, he's struggled. Two catches, three catches, three catches, four catches, three catches, one catch, two, four, one, four. I mean, he has been shut down in his career against this team. And the guy who did it mostly is gone. I am very intrigued for the Mikegrine. It's going to be such a donkey spot, but I'm in it. And I would, I would go a step further. This, the Saints team is on. I mean, all these Italian guys getting whack because they're Darren Rizzi, not him. That was a fun couple of weeks stretch there. If you get beat by late season and Tony O'Pierce, you're off my island. They lose the Raiders by 15 points. How, right? Baker is bait. And also Baker spiel an extra spicy dangerous right now. He changed the security code. It's no longer one, two, three, four. And yeah, I think, you know, could be having some anal situations in the household. So I'm laying the points. 30. This one's going to be what it was going to roast. What is going to happen in this game to fuck us? Is it going to be like Baker multiple pick sixes? Something inexplicable is going to happen. Yeah, I'll take the bucks, but well, and also two favorites have just been so good this year. It's been crazy. Like the run. I mean, we, we mentioned it. Like in the beginning part of the year, double digit dogs were winning outright. It was kind of crazy. And then the second half of the year, I mean, last week was a great example favorites are 15 and one straight up. It's crazy. I could not remember like the second half of this year, not only straight up, but just ATS. I feel like they've been incredibly strong. It's crazy. Yeah. The books are, they're sore. They're hurt. No need to get cute. Just take the box minus 13. Books have to sleep on their back Buffalo, New England. You mentioned this earlier, Sean game number two in the early window. Again, eight games. God's eye will be pleased. Buffalo, New England, neither team needs it. New England, the NBA crowd would tell you they should lose this game. It's better for their draft situation, minus two and a half, minus one 40 on the Moneyline Patriots plus 120. 38 is the total. I've been doing a lot of family stuff this week, but I was reading through the Patriots beat reporter list that I have. And I was you mentioned the Joe Milton thing. So when you when I first saw a mention of Joe Milton, I was like, Oh, okay. Well, the Patriots are just openly trying to get the first pick. They're going to play Milton. He famously can throw the ball of a mile. It's going to be exciting for the crowd. But then it turns out that it like Drake May, maybe, maybe got injured like you mentioned. You did get knocked out of the game and he came back in. Yeah, I'm just saying like he does. It's not like they're making up an injury out of nowhere. Like he does have some sort of injury going on. He when he came back from the concussion, I was watching with my dad, he goes, Oh, I thought they had to like get tested. I'm like, no, no, no, it's almost playoff time. They're getting the playoff protocol ready, which is there is no protocol. Anyway, the situation here is basically, yeah, why Buffalo would, you know, in some ways, Buffalo is a team that I would like to see them play their starters. They have not accomplished shit in the postseason. They're not going to have a bi-week. And I know they've looked great, but cool. You've been great at kicking the shit out of bad teams. Just go do it. Just just go beat the shit out of them. Get a half off. That's how you get rest. You listen to some of the old timers talk. Go on, beat the shit out of them. Get a half a rest. I wouldn't rest if I was the bills personally. I don't think this team has earned the idea that they can just flip the switch. And yeah, that's, that's kind of it's a simple take. So they had the Patriots here. They have played their starters in these meaningless games and I don't know if it's, and they play their starters a bunch of preseason. Again, I don't know if there's an exact right answer on, on resting or I would rest the, if I was the bills, I would rest them 100% known. And if anything, you want the Patriots winning and not getting the first overall pick now that you're really that worried about the Patriots. But yeah, I think if you're the bills, you don't have a bi-week. You're a veteran team that has played a bunch of games. I would, I would want them getting a bi-week. Josh Allen, I want Josh Allen lowering his shoulder in the playoffs. I don't want them doing it week 18 in a meaningless game against the Pats. Now according to Sean McDermott, they are going to start their starters. And he said how long they play. He doesn't know. So good luck. Good luck handicapping this game. I don't know the fact that they're discussing not playing Drake may means to me. This is a total tank job. I think even with Mr. Bisky in there, he's looked decent in these kind of preseason S type games. I'm going to take the bills lay in the two and a half. Although I wouldn't, it would be very funny if the Patriots win the game, but I think the bills get it done. So give me the, give me the bills lay in the two and a half. Hmm. Yeah. I mean, I, I, this is the exact scenario I hate. Like what do you, what are you doing? McDermott, you don't know how long they're going to play. You're the head coach. He's, you know, he's probably sitting back there in his, his meeting room all by himself. Like, all right, this is going to be like a great sleeper. So never know when it happens, but we're going to take him out. I mean, come on. Give me, give me the Patriots. I, I, I, I gave a whole ramble on what, how I'm going to be on this situation. So I have to be on this situation. Joe Milton throws it. There's no roof in the building where they're playing. Otherwise he'd be hitting the roof of that ball. Bears Packers. Game number three pair. Bears coming off the Thursday night game that we predicted perfectly on this show. And yet we didn't bet no touchdown. I said it was going to be a bullshit three point game and gross. And it was the gross and a three point game. Now the bears are catching 10 points plus three 80 on the money line. 41 is the total against the Packers. I believe the Packers situation is they can only end up six or seven. I'd imagine they'd want to end up six and not seven, but they're running scared from the Eagles. So they, they want to, that's why they're playing their starters. So they can get that a six seed. Now they need for them to get the six seed, they need to, they need to win and have a Washington lose to, to get the six seed. So no one wants to face the Philadelphia Eagles. Dick puncher saying, bears have given up the Packers looking to make a statement heading into the playoffs after the letdown versus Minnesota. I mean the, the, what's making this tough is a spread is 10 points. That is a, that is a tremendous number for a bear's team with like nothing. Yeah. What are you doing here, Ron? When's the last time a bears packer spread was this big? That's also true. Kayla Williams chasing history. He's been sex 67 times fourth most ever since sex from recorded in 1982. So he's only, he's only nine behind David Carr. The season that supposedly broke David Carr. He's, he's, he's nipping out his heels right in historic season. He's even perhaps he's getting broken. It looks like there was a couple of the game in 2021. Bears were a 470 dog. And then the next game in 2022 to open the season. They were a 370 dog. So not, not that long ago. Bears have put up 45 points in the four games in the post Matt Eberflu's era. So not a great start to a Brown and his Thomas Brown and his coaching acumen for the Bears offense. Remember like early on they're like, yeah, I mean, the Bears offense looks better with him as O C. Maybe he's going to be the interim head coach. This is also a great nugget. The bears haven't won on the road on a Sunday in three full calendar years, 20 straight games. The last quarterback to win a road game on Sunday for the Bears. Ryan, do you know who it is? They color Nick falls. So I again, this, this seemed like a simple handicap. Hackers need something. Bears need nothing. Bears. Give me the points. You know what? He circled this one too as a money line potential shot. It is the bear Super Bowl. So I will take, I will take Chicago plus 10 as well. This is a massive get up spot for them in a division game where they have some talent. And I think, I think Green Bay might be a little in their own head. And the defense, the Chicago defense, say what you will, the Chicago defense has been playing decent. It's just their offense has been terrible. But 10 points is a lot. I'll take it. Wait, so if Washington and Green Bay, both win Green Bay seven, is that what you're saying? Yeah, Washington is going to be up early and often in that game. Interesting. All right. Oh, so you're saying, because Washington is playing the same time as Green Bay. So maybe there's some scoreboard watching. Maybe they do pull their starters. If they're not enough, they haven't locked up. I think they would, I think they would play for the six. I think they would rather why wouldn't you want this position though, just in terms of like, why would you want to get in on a Packers position right now? It feels like the Packers positions only going to get better as we get closer to kick or even in game. Like as the closer we get to the Washington Redskins having the ball in offense, the price will get better for the pack. Yeah, can we be the pairs? This is a great play by us. We're really talking it out here. Game four, Jacksonville, Indy, to open the season to close the season and whatever. It's always a great matchup here in the AFC South Colts minus five minus 225 in the Moneyline jacked plus 195. 45 is the total. The flow chart did us right last, last week as the Titans once again lost the jags only win in that rivalry will happen to be a game where well, guess what? The team that didn't need it won the game knocks someone out of the playoffs in this one, neither team needs it. Although some would argue that again, I'll ask the question, Sean, Doug Peterson, Shane Steichen, better chance to be coaching their team next year. Shane's second. But yeah, I mean, who knows what the, I mean, Ursley as Colby likes to calm. I mean, Jim or Steichen deserves the job. It's tough. I mean, did he do a great job this year? No, but then, you know, you could make a pretty easy case. Anthony Richardson wasn't healthy for a big portion of the season. That probably stunted his development. I mean, maybe Anthony Richardson isn't the right quarterback. How much of that is on chain Steichen? And they did lose to the Giants. So that obviously looks really bad. I mean, you're playing with Joe Flacco, who's, I don't, I still don't know what happened to the Colts defense last week against Drew Lock. I mean, what was, what was your take, Ryan? Just Drew Lock is unstoppable. I mean, it's not the first time we've seen Drew Lock go off before signing a new contract. I would say as somewhat, I mean, again, you, you were calling the Giants dead to lose to a dead team the way that they lost to a dead team to allow the Giants offense to put up that kind of performance. Now, Graham Lake neighbors is good. Two of those plays he just, he caught a short pass and made some dudes miss and I get it. But that, that team, you know, you, you want to talk about a team that quit on a coach. That's what I saw. And I think the way that vets talk about, I mean, I don't know if you saw Pat McAfee wrote an essay about why the Colts suck now and how he's not renewing his, his season tickets. But to basically the way the vets have honed in on the idea that you have a locker room, you have a coaching staff that allowed a quarterback to, to tap out of a game. Like that is fucked up to your Indianapolis Colts. This is Patrick McAfee, the product that I'm seeing on the field is not worthy of the me getting season tickets from Jim Hersey. You guys got to try harder. Pat out. I was at, I was at a bar watching the Rose Bowl in Pasadena. It was fun. Kind of like scoped out the Rose Bowl for a little bit and then just walk to a bar and watch the game. And they had the simulcast audio of Pat McAfee, his broadcast. And I think someone went to the bartender like, can you turn that audio off? I guess it was, I mean, I could as a pet, but the stand. Yeah, to answer a question, embarrassing. You, you, you lost to a team that had nothing to play for. You, you, you probably, I mean, if you're going to critique a coach and quit and all that stuff, you know, as much as you want to clown a guy like Antonio Pierce, there is still something to the ability of that I'll be at frustrating. If you're a fan, to get motivation out of a group of men in a situation where it would be very hard to motivate them. Shane Steichen did the opposite of that. And so you, you, you zoom in on that you zoom in on the idea that his starting quarterback is pulling himself out of a game. You zoom in on the fact they just got their ass kicked. This is by the way, a Joe Flacco legacy game, Sean. We have no guarantees he's in the league next year. No, it could be a ball. To me, I, to me, my first instinct was jags in the five points, right? Cause they are playing for WP. The problem is their defense is so bad. Could I see them just handing it off to Jonathan Taylor? 25 times Jonathan Taylor just running all over this dog shit jags defense. And it not making a difference that the jags are getting five points in that, you know, you know, the, you know, the Max and Bill Jaguars, a.k. Mac Jones with his, who has the same amount of wins as Trevor Lawrence this season. Like I could see that I could see the Colts who got embarrassed by the Giants. Now they're at home. They got Mac if he calling them out. I could see in a weird way this turning into a get up spot for the Colts. I, I, I still got to take the points though. Like, I mean, Joe Flacco's looked rough at times. Yeah. Although I love a lot of the overs, not a total has got a 45 feels way too low for this game, but I'll take the jags plus five. What are you doing? How many, how many times have the jags one in Indy since 2013? Two two is correct. One was last year. So we're also working off a little bit of a home revenge angle. I think it's not, I think it's, it's, it's going to sound silly, but McAfee writing an essay. He wrote a lot of words. I think that resonated with this, this ownership at least it's embarrassing, very embarrassing to be put out on blast like that as an organization. If you're Jim or say you certainly didn't, you weren't happy about it. And I think if I'm Shane's stiking, I'm coaching for my job in this game. Give me the Colts. I mean, does that help? Because Shane's second coaching for his job. Does that help? Or do you like the laid back style as a Dougie P who's thinking about ice cream and playing with house money? I, I see the case for the Colts, like the embarrassment getting up for a final home game makes sense. I just don't know if this team has much fight. I'll, I'll stick with the jags. I think if the defense can be well motivated against Mac Jones, I feel great about this because you're right to be a little scared of the number, but if we look at that same sample of data, only two of those losses become losses to the, to the number. So it's not exactly like the Colts have been keeping these games. I'm, I'm laying it. I think it's going to be a blow up. I think, I think the end of the Doug Peterson era ends in glorious Mac Jones double pick sixth, sixth fashion. That, that will be in any time touchdown. I will be on this week. Carolina, Atlanta, another NFC South matchup, both South divisions, electric as always this year, Panthers plus eight plus 300 on the money line. 48 is the total. Falcons, of course they need this game like they need blood now. Well, the scenario basically need the bucks to lose, right? Uh, yeah, they need the bucks to lose and they need to win. And then they win. So they're again, the way Bakers feeling there are scenarios here where the bucks are up big early. Then what? I know that the, the general consensus on panic so far is I've seen, I've seen a lot of comments about how he looks mature out there. Uh, um, okay. I, I still don't know. What is it? What is your, you, you seem to have a beef with Michael Benix. He, I haven't seen it. I've seen things from Bonix, Drake, May, Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams that all are like pop. They have pop plays. They have pop moments. They have like pro bonics, for example, the way that he has clearly become a leader on that team. I'm impressed. I'm impressed at how he's operating the system. Drake may has made some physical plays that reminded me of seeing early Josh Allen, Jaden Daniels, easy. Just, just watch and Caleb Williams. There are throws he makes that are like he's the only guy that might be able to make that throw outside of maybe one or two dudes. So I've seen none of that for Michael Pennics so far. That's, that's, oh, I, I just think it's, uh, I just think it's so early on Pennics. And I do, of course. I think he, I think he, I think he looked good against the commanders. And if it wasn't for Rahim Morris is dumbass, uh, lack of wanting to call a timeout. But I mean, like, you know, everyone on the internet already did their, their rant on Rahim Morris not using the timeouts, but I mean, to go into Washington and put your team in a position to win, I think is something big there. Uh, very small sample size, but I thought he's, he's made some decent throws there. I'm not, I don't have a strong take on Michael Pennics so far. I, I, I just don't understand being totally out on the guy. I'm not, I'm not. I'm, what I'm commenting on is I think it feels like people are going out of the way out of their way to like say nice things about him. And I don't quite understand that yet. He's been okay. Um, and, but, but I haven't seen him exhibit any like attributes that would get me excited. And in this game, I have no fucking clue what to do. Cause on one hand, like I said, I think there could be an interesting dynamic where of course, I think the bucks are going to be rolling. And so what, what do the Falcons look like if they see the scoreboard at halftime and the bucks are up 17 points. And then meanwhile, what do we got with this panthers team? Cause they like they were, they were, uh, cute for like two weeks. And it was like Brice Young was back. And then he got hit in that Cowboys game and fumbled the ball. It was really small. It's like when you, when you, uh, you have the mushroom and Mario and then you get hit and you go back to being small. Brice Young went back to being small. Chuba Hubbard, who was basically like the lifeblood of the team, not being out there. That, that mattered a lot. Um, shout out to the pregame show last week that we, we missed you, Sean, but we had, uh, we had some friends on the, on the program and, uh, we, we were talking about this one. CJ of course had a panthers take, but I don't I think it's almost that you can't play them without Chuba Hubbard kind of team, right? Yeah. I guess the counter is Atlanta needs this. Who is Atlanta to be laying eight points in the division game? You're right. It was against my own trend. JC Horn is out that hurts the panthers defense. I think a guy like Adam Thelin in a dome could carve up this Falcon secondary. It's weird how the Falcons are super bad at pass rush and have been good. Um, they are fourth in defense of EPA since week 12, which has been crazy. Uh, but yeah, I'll just go back to the teams that are, are, are going, you know, playing to avoid getting eliminated versus teams that have nothing to play for. You throw in the division angle and eight points. I just, uh, I'm not as I don't know, you seem to be, uh, anti Michael Pennics. I'm, I'm indifferent to him, but I don't think you should be an eight point favorite, uh, even against the panther. So I will take the panthers plus eight. Kramer, what do you do it here? If I was making my, you know, go forward rankings of quarterbacks from this draft class, he would be behind bonyx. Well, yeah, I mean, bonyx is the best quarterback in this. I'm saying he'd be, he would be behind the four acts, all the quarterbacks are behind bonyx. Right. That's all. That's not a, that is not true. Who do you real quick? Who is your, who is your quarterback rake and some, uh, go forward quarterback rankings for this class. Jaden Daniels. I'll get roasted for this. Jaden Daniels, Drake May, bonyx, Caleb Williams, Michael Pennics, Mm, bonyx, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, um, yeah, and then, uh, and then Michael Pennics, but I mean, Michael Pennics to me is still an incomplete because I had a Caleb Williams. What? No, no, Caleb Williams. Did I not say Caleb Williams? No. Okay. So Drake May, no, sorry, sorry, uh, bonyx. Yes. Jaden Daniels. Yes. Drake May. Yes. Then Caleb Williams, then Michael Pennics. Cool. And then Spencer Radler. Uh, I would put Joe Milton above Spencer Radler just because of the, uh, sounds like the Vikings could be, uh, close to, uh, being out on JJ McCarthy too. By the way, uh, now that they have Sam Darnell and Dan Jones on the roster, give me the Panthers plus the points. Falcons need it. Panthers don't. I'm sticking to it. Yeah. And there could be some scoreboard watching. Like if, if, if if Tampa Bay is blowing out, uh, New Orleans, they might, I don't know, they'll probably say they're not going to be scoreboard watching, but it feels like they will be Washington, the commander football team, Redskins taking on the Cowboys in big D Dallas plus four and a half plus one 95 on the Moneyline 44 is the total. Will this be the last game that Mike McCarthy is the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. It sounds like I thought, I mean, this was a certainty like two weeks into the season I felt or at least five weeks into the season, but now it's not. So will this be the last game of the McCarthy coaches? Um, with this number, I like this feels like this is a trap number to me. I'm obviously not taking the Cowboys, but this is a trap. Something's fishier. Uh, what do you mean? What do you mean something's fishy? And, and you're what you think? This is a, I mean, I think we're just going to boat race this Cowboys team. Are you kidding me? He wants to make Jerry understand. Well, yeah, I mean, the Dan Quinn, uh, yeah, that angle certainly, I mean, I'm going to take the commanders lay in the four and a half here. Uh, but Jane Daniels has taken a ton of shots. Like even in that, uh, in that in the overtime, like him running, uh, towards, uh, the end zone there, uh, at the end of overtime there, he's taking a ton of rib shots. I don't know what it is. Just like guys of that frame and that size, he's taking a ton of shots to the chest and rib area. I don't know. Falcons were the Falcons. I mean, I have no like skin in this fight. The Falcons were cheap shotting Jayden Daniels repeating that game. Um, well, it would be like the kind of like some defenses have this. They have like the real psycho that's always showing up to the pile like a second and a half late. Well, they were just anytime Jayden Daniels was getting tackled. It was like there was always a third guy coming in and just planting him. And one of those big hits he took was, I don't want to call it a cheap shot, but it, it, yeah, you know, we're trying to get shots in on Jane Daniels. So we'll see. I mean, I'm impressed. He's made it the season without with, with basically just a minor injury. Um, that being said, they're going to roll here. This is such an easy position. Well, we buried the lead ride because, uh, breaking news, Zeke Elliott was released. Uh, maybe it got lost on your timeline, but, uh, number of people tagged me in this, uh, Zeke not being the, uh, being the, uh, power back that they had hoped for, um, to change things. So, uh, I'll take, I'll take Washington here. This is kind of an interesting spot. Same, same thing like, um, the Packers where they're, um, you know, they're kind of in the mix here for the six and seven seed. And then there's always that chance that if the Rams lose and Tampa Bay wins, Tampa Bay is a shot to get the three seed. Um, so I, I would imagine commanders are playing for that six seed, but who knows who knows how much they care about it. And then the Mike McCarthy, I, it is tough because he has a decent case to bring him back, right? He before this season, he had three 12 in seasons. I don't know. Like, I don't know what, what did the Cowboys do from here? I mean, great, great, great discussions for the off season because you're bringing back, uh, you know, Dakota rain Prescott, you, I feel like you got to play him because of how much you've paid him, but I don't know. It feels like they're, they're in, they're going to be in the QB market. What do they do there? Uh, they're just like, it's like, what is firing in the coach get you? You can't fire the coach this year and get Dan Quinn back from last year. Um, I don't know if you saw that shot apparently in private, Jerry is, is upset that he let, he didn't keep Dan Quinn and get rid of Mike McCarthy. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I, to me, I actually would say, what are you getting with a new coach? If Dax going to be your quarterback? There's a, again, a weird way. I mean, obviously I'd love for McCarthy to stick around another year, but what's, what's the answer to that question? What, what is the new coach going to bring you? It's still going to be the same owner, same quarterback. So what's changing? Sorry, Cowboys fans. Not really. Sorry. Game seven Houston, Tennessee, another AFC South battle Houston coming off the long rest. I mean, one of the more embarrassing performances I've ever seen. Um, and I'm mad this, this was, I love you. You love your Ravens, right? All right. Come on back down on the Ravens. I mean, by the way, no one in the house, even noticed when I turned off the fireplace and put on Netflix football. But I mean, that wasn't a bad, that's a, we need to remember Sean and I already put in the calendar for next year, but holiday home teams major fade. This Houston team, I don't even know how to handicap this. They haven't needed a game for a while. They're going to be a four seed. They don't need this game, but they kind of do. They've looked like ass. They got like completely whipped on Netflix in front of a lot of people. Very embarrassing. And right now I, I'd imagine that they will be the least popular play in the first week of the play. Everyone's going to look to fade them. Can you imagine the chargers coming to town, the, the, the Steelers coming, whoever it is, I'm taking them. So they don't need it, but they kind of need it. Does that mean we take Tennessee pick them? Well, officially, uh, Tamika Ryan said, um, he's claiming the starters will play for how long he says, quote, we'll see how the game goes. Um, Davis, I mean, is Davis Mills that much of a drop off from CJ shrab from what we see today, Strad? Daddy Long Davis Mills. I mean, I'm taking, I'm taking the Texans just because I'm, I love like all these, uh, all these, uh, you know, people rooting for a sequel and to break the, um, rushing a record, Ryan, I'm rooting for my own record. And that is for the Titans to somehow not cover 15 games against the spread. This is history in the making. Um, no team has lost 14 games against the spread. So now they're going to set the bar. If a team went two and 15 ATS Ryan, I mean, that is just, that is, that is a beautiful work of art. And I've been slowly chipping away at the money we lost on all the Will Levis futures. Now I do need Chigozima con quo to get that third touchdown. That motherfucker he got one on their first drive of the season. I'm like, Oh, this guy's going to get three in this game. He's been stuck on two for a long time. I will take a, I'll take Texans all day here just because of automating the Titans has been a great, great trend. What are you doing? Are you taking your Titans one more time, Ryan? Well, the one of their covers this year was against the Texas. Yeah. They beat them out. Right. That's a great point. Revenge is that now? Yeah, but there's another side to that. They have their number. I want to say that the Texans are the right side, but I, again, the thesis, they need it. I think they need to do something here because they look like such ass. Give me the Titans. They screw up a record. They screw up perfection. One more time. Give me the top man. This is great. No, you're the Texans need it. I gotta fade it. They don't. They kind of do. They don't, but they do. I mean, yeah, I get what you're saying. They need it, but like they don't not according to any of the. Yeah, they don't need it. I'll say, oh, they, I mean, my ass meter says they need it. Giants, Eagles, game eight in the early window. We got a third string quarterback against the Billy minus two minus one forty five on the Moneyline Giants plus one twenty five thirty seven and a half is the total. This number would indicate that Jalen Hertz is not starting. This, this number might also indicate that Kenny Pickett not starting. Sean, who is the starting quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles this week? Yeah. Hertz has been ruled out. I ruled him out. Kenny Pickett DNP today on Wednesday. I think they're going to play Tanner McKee. And I think Tanner McKee is a pretty solid quarterback. He looked pretty, pretty sharp there and pretty seasoned. I'm excited to see what they have in Tanner McKee much like Nate Sudfeld. I think it makes sense to play young, young quarterbacks in games that don't matter for you. So yes, I will be taking the Eagles laying the two, but it will be funny when the Giants win this game and then end up picking ninth. Well, Ryan, we were getting a ton of questions in the chat. Is Drew Lock the quarterback in the future? Are you okay with Shadoor Sanders? I feel like you need to start and walk us through where you're at with your head going into this game and where you're at with the Giants quarterback situation moving forward. Yeah, I mean, I'll just get it. I can say it a million times. Some of these are real questions. I see. I can say it a million times. I don't like one. Drew Lock ass had a great game. Drew Lock, not good. I don't really want him to be the. I guess in a world where they don't fire table if he shows back up as a low cost backup. Sure. But he he played well, he'll get a contract. Drew Lock will not be on the Giants next year. So that's first thing. I have been saying this for a while, although I've, I have my opinion of Shadoor has gone up over this college season. I do not think he is a top tier quarterback prospect. I think that he has a dad with some of the greatest athletic genes in the history of the world. And I think he's still getting better. So do I think Shadoor could ascend to being a great quarterback in the NFL? Maybe really good. I do think he lacks some of the some of the arm traits that you'd like, but he's pretty good at a lot of the categories. Cam Ward. I think if you watch him play in college, he's probably a better quarterback right now. He also lacks some elite abilities and punk ass bitch opted out. I mean, again, this fake I'm going to play through it and then I'm not going to play. So yeah, I, I don't think Cam Ward and Shadoor will be, I've been saying this while I don't, I don't know if they're both going to be like one, two or, you know, one, one and three. We'll see, I guess, but they don't strike me as these the same type of guys as we saw last year get drafted. That's my take on the quarterback class. That's my take. If the Giants drafted Shadoor or Cam Ward, I'd be fine. I think both dudes have have potential to be good for sure. But you're crazy. If you think they're, they're on the same level as some of the quarter, some of the like, they're not on the same prospect level as Jaden Daniels or Caleb Williams or Drake. They're just not. And so that that's, it's kind of a bummer because the draft classes, it seems to be littered more with elite pass reshers and defensive backs. So yeah, I would also lay the points with the Eagles. Really? See, well, now this is, this is twice. You picked against the Giants last week, Ryan, and they, they won outright as an eight point dog. Are you, so do you want them? Do you want them to win the game? Will I be belly aching if they win the game? Like all these fucking NBA fans who root for an NFL team on a Sunday? No, I, I can do, I can do this one too again. The season in the NFL is 17 games. And so not until the 17 games are played is the draft order figured out. So all of this draft order tracking fine. Is it annoying that a team gets motivated randomly for a game that doesn't have a ton of meeting in this season? Yes, very frustrated. Am I going to be like, ah, this is the worst thing ever. My team should have lost all their games this year. I mean, no, because then you're Rahim Palmer, and you sound like a fucking buffoon. That that's where you end up. And so yeah, would it be fun if the Giants had the first picture? Would it, would it be fun to have it in this class? No. And I would have had to find my way talking about how there's these elite quarter. I can't do that. And so I don't really give a shit about the draft right now. When the season's over, we can talk about the draft. You know, when I had this conversation with Terrell on the recap show, shout out to him for coming by and having some therapy, but hearing his young person perspective helped me realize that I'm right. Play to win the game. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. If you're going to get a bunch of grown men to go out there and win a football game. Cool. You want a football game? They don't, they, it's so funny how these people don't understand that these guys lit. They don't give a fuck about next year. They don't give a fuck about the draft. They don't give a fuck about the next guy that's going to get drafted. And yet we continually hear this. So yeah, I'm still laying the points because I'm completely out on this Giants. Also, Drew Lock coming off his career, his career next contract getting game. Come on, Drew, yeah. And there's still a lot of Eagles pretty deep. I like, you know, I like some of the, you can only, you can only bench so many guys. And I think Tanner McKee, Tanner McKee, Johnny Wilson, Will Shipley getting some run. I think this is going to be a fun game. Eagles lay into at home, Sko birds, lock it up. Hey, if you haven't already signed up with underdog fantasy, what are you waiting for? Use that promo code SGP and get you a hundred or 50% deposit match up to $1,000. Ryan, what's a, what's a underdog fantasy play you like here for this NFL weekend? Baker Baker. And what are we playing with Baker? You want touchdowns, yards? Well, is higher one and a half touchdowns is 0.83 X. That's kind of not super fun. Two 49 and a half. Do we just take the higher passing yards? Yes. Or Mike Evans. If we want to, we can pivot to Mike Evans. What is, uh, the idea of Mike Evans going off against the team that has just throttled him. Yeah. I mean, do we just not bet Mike Evans higher, a half touchdown? Done. Yeah. All right. That's pretty easy. Uh, what do we pair in that with? What else love interception? Wow. You didn't even think on that one, huh? No, even in a, even in a game where, um, pretty big favorites. All right. I, I like your pettiness with Jordan love. See if we have the INT price up. Oh yeah, we do. So very a simple, um, like Evans higher, a half rushing and receiving touchdown, Jordan love higher, a half interception, $100 entry returns you $300 over an underdog fantasy.com promo code S G P N. All right. Kramer. No one wants to play the bucks heading into the post season. All right. Five games in the late window. First up, we got the, and they're all at 125 here on the west coast. My, and by the way, remember it's 2025. Y'all Miami jets. Oh this, this one's spicy. We got a little bit to talk about here. Dolphin's minus one minus one 18 on the money line jets minus one. Oh two 39 is the total, um, is Tyrod gonna play this week? Yep. Uh, do we, did we get any, I don't, I don't think, um, oh, you mean for the jets? I, I'm sorry. I thought, uh, Tyler Huntley, I think is going to play for the dolphins. Oh 100% Yeah. Toa is opted out for the season or something. He's injured or something seems like he's done. But Aaron Rodgers is he also done for the season, our hero. I know it's not official, but it does, and it does, um, the coach, um, I'm blanking on, uh, interim coaches name. He did say that Aaron Rodgers would be the starter. All break. All break. Um, but, and I was watching the game without a lot of audio on Sunday. And so I, it wasn't exactly clear to me and the post game reporting hasn't really been clear. They just cut to the game and Aaron Rodgers was no longer in the game. And I was told this was a 500 touchdown celebration. Devonta Adams was the going to catch, catch the bouquet and then he was going to be the next guy to get married or whatever the, the lower is what you have more information. Sean, please fill me in. Well, yeah, Aaron Rodgers checked himself out of the game and told Tyrod, uh, you should go in. Is that confirmed? Yeah. That's what he said. He goes, I went to the sideline and said, yeah, time for Tyrod right now. He basically told Tyrod to go in. Um, yeah. He also announced he's not doing any darkness retreats this offseason. So clearly he's got his mind locked in for this game. This is crazy because the dolphins need this game to get into the playoffs. And it's not like they, I mean, all they need to happen is, uh, for the, uh, you know, for the Broncos to lose, which they are playing the chiefs. Now granted they aren't playing a lot of their starters, but, uh, the Broncos losing and then the dolphins winning and they're in the playoffs. It's crazy considering how jacked up their season has been and how weird and meaningless this game seems, but uh, they got a real chance to get in. I thought Huntley, um, you know, uh, had some dog in them, got the rushing touchdown. Of course, jets lead the league and most rushing touchdowns allowed to the quarterback. Um, you know, Huntley, two rushing touchdowns, whatever they, uh, price that out. That's going to be interesting. But of course this does, you know, fit that trend of, um, a team that needs it versus a team that doesn't, but man, how can you feel okay taking the, taking the jets in any scenario right now that just the vibes are just kind of kismically low. They're not a close your eye special, but they feel like they should be. I will happily take Miami lay in the point here. What are you doing? Kramer. If Tyrod plays, the jets are winning. I don't take, have you read some of the quotes from players about Tyrod when Tyrod came in the game, I think they were losing this game by a lot. And there is positive being said about the quarterback change by key skill position players. So I think, um, I think I'll go against you here. I think if Tyrod plays, the jets are going to be motivated. I think what, what, what makes you think Tyrod's going to play? Teams completely out on Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers took himself out of the game. Like there's a million, million things going on here that lead me to believe that there's a pretty good chance that Tyrod could see time or a lot of time or play the entire game. Again, I know they're saying they're playing Aaron Rodgers. I know that. But I don't want to be misquoted, but I'm going to assume it was Garrett Wilson because it probably wasn't Devontae Adams, but you know, basically said that that Tyrod had a better command of the huddle. You don't say that about your starting quarterback shows. Yeah, but also now, now it seems like he's definitely done with the jets. He acknowledged that this could be his last game. I just don't see him checking himself out in what could be his last NFL game. Give me the jets. Game number two, enjoy the jets. I mean, and like, like, so Miami holds the tiebreakers over the bangles. Is that what it is? Yes. Interesting. I missed that. Denver hosts the chiefs chiefs off the long rest and they are going to rest their starters. And I said, you know, I'm kind of okay with them resting their starters because they've done it and come out the other side. Okay. Broncos laying a huge 10 minus five 25 on the Moneyline plus four 10 for the chiefs 39 is the total. The chiefs don't need it. The Broncos do need it and it's 10 points in division where we get Carson Wentz back in the NFL, baby. This is the most obvious pick on the board. Give me the chiefs. Yeah, I mean, come on. I love the, I love the Broncos team. But 10 points is crazy, right? And, and chiefs have been, you know, they've been off since Wednesday. So they, the, the, the, or the previous Wednesday, and they knew they were, they hadn't locked up. So they were going to have plenty of time to install an offense. Um, I mean, it, bonyx and bonyx and Carson Wentz. Is it really that like different of a, of a quarterback right now? I understand. Trust me, I know all of Carson Wentz's flaws. It's the turnovers. It's holding on to the ball too long. Um, some of stuff that like a rookie quarterback, like bonyx might be doing. Like I, I don't know the 10 points seems crazy. I understand why the Broncos would be favored in this spot. But 10 points is a ton, especially in the division game, you know, people forget like the guys on the chiefs are playing hard. Carson Wentz would love another starting, another chance to start in the NFL and a lot of these guys, the same, same kind of thing. And, you know, it's a lot of pressure for a guy like bonyx and the, and the Broncos at home against a good head coach here with nothing to lose, probably wants to, you know, mess around, try out some new plays. So yeah, 10 points is way too much. And, and the Broncos are probably going to play super conservative. So like they're, they're not going to like run up the score. It'll be like a conservative game plan. Yeah, they might win, but 10 points is a ton. So yeah, I love the Chiefs catching double digits. Carson Wentz is a free agent after the season. Yeah, you don't think that guy wants a wants to stay in the NFL? Giants need a bridge quarterback to be interested. Hilarious. Where's that? Is it like that bridge to nowhere? Where's that bridge going, right? Yeah, it's the, it's the bridge to nowhere with all the pork fat or whatever it was. Japan, for the podcast audience who didn't just see Sean flash Japan on the screen. It is 134 local time here on the East Coast. It is time. Time for a tab. So if you want to join in, make, make sure you're not operating a any sort of heavy machinery. Game number three in the late window, 125 in the late on the West Coast chargers, Raiders. Uh oh, there is, there's been some bad blood in games played by these teams late in the season before chargers laying five here, minus two 30 on the money line, plus one 94. The Raiders 41 is the total. I don't know if you can fade the Raiders in games where they need nothing and the other team needs to win. I don't know if you can fade this team, but it is Harbaugh versus Antonio Pierce. It is Herbert versus who doesn't really matter. A not good quarterback. But man, that Raiders team was fired the fuck up last week, but the saints suck. And so a lot of narrative here. How much do the chargers need this game? Sean? Yeah, I mean, it comes down to that six versus five, which they might, they, they would probably know their, actually, they would know their fates at least supple when it's, it's those games are done. Yeah. So they have a chance of becoming the five seed if the Steelers lose on Saturday. Um, but then, you know, they were asking Harbaugh and he was being real coy and he's like, we played a win blah, blah, blah. And they're like, so if the Steelers win or if the Steelers win and you're locked in the sixth seed, you're going to play the starters and he goes, well, I didn't say that. So that to me was him trying to kind of hedge a little bit and maybe, uh, would, uh, would see some time here. You got to take the Raiders get the five points here. Chargers will, yeah, I guess they'll kind of be motivated to get the five, but even then like even if the Steelers lose. And Ryan, this is a good segment for a recent show where we do our custom parlays because there certainly is some like narrative parlays that you could come up with, right? Where, um, you know, maybe you take, uh, the Steelers to lose and, and then, or sorry, the Steelers to win. And then, um, Raiders to win because the Chargers would be less motivated in that spot. So there, there's some interesting stuff going on, but I think even, even now, like the Raiders are great at winning pointless games on the season that is over. And certainly five points, even if the Chargers are playing them hanging around in a, you know, 21, 17 game makes a ton of sense. All right. So if the Steelers win, then we're basically they're locked into six, correct? So why wouldn't we pep what? No, the Steelers, well, it's charging a lock in a six if the students win, assuming the Ravens win as well. Yeah, aren't, if the Ravens lose their five, right? And then Pittsburgh wins the division. I think either way, the Chargers are locked in, correct? Yes. Cause, cause John beat Jim also. Yep. Uh, so don't we just, why wouldn't instead of just playing Raiders Moneyline, why wouldn't we go Raiders Moneyline with Steelers Moneyline? Yeah, that's what I was, that that's exactly what I was saying. Yeah. No, I mean, you can do it. You can, you can certainly do a lot with it, but specifically in this instance, it seems like the Moneyline will change so much. Yeah. This, this, there's a good chance that this is a Raiders being favored by the time we're talking about it or by the time it's it's kicking off. Cause so even if you think about the Moneyline movement, you don't think so? I don't know. I think even, even if you're putting Easton stick there, I don't know if they're moving it quite five, but yeah, I mean, there's, it's possible. But again, I don't, I would also wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh does that thing where he plays Herbert for a couple series and then Easton stick comes in. Those are the situations where it gets tough for the odds makers. I guess I would be surprised if they announce that Herbert is not playing at all, which that would be a point where they would justify making the, making the Raiders favorites. Either way, I think it's good to lock up the Raiders get in five here. Yeah. We agreed. This, this might be the dog. I think this might be the dog this week. Got a nice, nice set of dogs in consideration. Way too many of them on my card for my liking. Game number four, Seattle, the Seahawks taken on the Rams, Seahawks again, long rest. Somehow they keep on just beating bad teams. If there's one team, Sean, I cannot wait to fade next year, even though we're going to be all excited about the coach, all they've done is beat bad teams and they've not even looked good doing it. Yeah. I mean, I feel like, I feel like I was right about there under wind total. I know I wasn't right because they went over it, but man, this Seattle team still like all the reasons I took to fade them have come to fruition, but I still don't know how they've gotten, and they've barely gotten over. But yeah, yeah, but they have nothing to play for. And the Rams also have nothing to play for nothing to play for. And now Seattle obviously maybe has some pride. But yeah, nothing, nothing on the docket here to play for. There was this, this, this, this spread was a crazy swing because it was three. And then it's all the way up to six and a half. Have you gotten into the genome bonus potentially sit him down, talk? So this is well, what do you mean potentially sit him down? Are they playing him? Gino Smith? Yeah. Oh, I don't, I would assume they would. If he needs 186 passing yards, he gets $2 million. And then he's right at if he has a 69.75 completion percentage for the season, he gets $2 million, which that's a hilarious amount of pressure. And also like you can clearly game it, right? Like, especially in a meaningless game. Aren't you playing a little closer to the best? Like you drop back to pass and you know, you get $2 million for completion. Aren't you? Are you, are you really taking those deep shots? I think you're playing conservative. And then on the other side, you want to talk about a guy who might want another shot in the league, Jimmy G. And these, and some of these Rams receivers and you know, yeah, Cooper cup, hooking a coup, aren't going to start. But some, they have some interesting guys behind him, like George Whittington and stuff like that. So I think, I think six and a half is a lot. I'll, I'll happily take the Rams here and get so what's the total bonus he can earn? Well, he also, he, it, well, there was also $2 million to make playoffs, but they're they've been eliminated. So he is $4 million, basically if 2 million for 186 passing yards and 2 million for 69.75%, completion percentage, which he's like right on that pace right now. So I think you would just need to like not dip below like 60. So I don't know what, I don't know what the number is, but he also gets 2 million if they win their 10th game. So there's actually 6 million. Okay, 6 million on the line here. Although shout out to the boots on the ground up in the Pacific Northwest, I did get two birdies whispering in my ear saying that some of the local outlets are sick, like basically like speculating that maybe we see how because of these bonuses, which I'm going to call bullshit too, because you don't want to do that to your locker room, your new coach. You'll never, you'll, you won't sign for agents if you do shit like that. And like, that'll get you burned with agencies, you'll lose a locker room. Also, like the coaches don't give a shit. It's not their money. If anything, they want, they want Gino to get the bonuses to make it like, Hey, this is a good place to play. They'll, they look out for you, that kind of stuff. So I think they will, I mean, I don't know if it's worth betting prop wise, but obviously he's going to get over his 186 passing yards. I that I would be very confident in. I'm laying it. Oh, you're laying it with Seattle. I think so. Yeah, I think McVay and preseason games tends to not give a shit. Sure. It is six and a half though. It's true. Good luck with Jimmy G. Thank you. Nine Niners, Cardinals, last of the late games, 125 kick on the West Coast Niners coming off a short Monday night. So even short rest kneecap trend intact here, Sean, Arizona lane, four and a half, not really sure why minus 220 on the money line. Niners plus 190 43 is the total tough season for the Niners. Turns out that the hangover is real and it does not get carried by shitty San Francisco water. So where do we go from here San Francisco? But I need to kneecap trend brings me to Arizona. Didn't come through last week. No, because bears cover that three and a half, even though they didn't score a touchdown. They did cover because they were the team that last played the lines. Part of me just thinks, you know, Kyler in a meaningless game here. This feels like the peak like we're going to get a little like, Oh, we'll get maybe next year. Right. I got an angle for you. It's a revengeing. I mean, how can you not take Josh Dobbs, aka the past or not coming back to Arizona? If there's one dude that's going to lay it on the line for a meaningless game, it's Josh Dobbs. Like we, this is what this guy does. He's starting for the 49ers. I like there's plenty of reasons why you wouldn't take the 49ers, the mojo, the energy. It's all horrible, but the Cardinals shouldn't be favored by four and a half against anyone. And Josh Dobbs is going to be up for this game. Give me the 49ers catching the four and a half points. I think he's going to be running all over the place. Definitely going to be taking him as a rushing touchdown. And you know, Trey McBride already got his touchdown, which we we had discussed that the week after everyone bet him was the week he was going to get the rushing touchdown. So yeah, give me Josh Dobbs. Maybe I don't know. I think maybe we are we've already seen the Josh Dobbs experience. It came and went. It was like one of those stars that we see for a couple of days and then goes away. I want to be optimistic. You're just sitting on your Cardinals. It's all right. Is that what it is? I maybe I'm more out of here. No, here's my take though. If you're going to say normally the backup quarterback bump works because there's something wrong with the starter that the team gets excited about the backup. That's not the case here. So I think it's I think I think I think playing Josh Dobbs in a meaningless game. He's a tough guy in the same way that Jeremy Lynn was a tough guard in a regular season NBA game. We're like, whoa, look at those handles. I'm not. How does this guy do it? That's what Josh Dobbs is a guy. You know, he's the guy given a hundred and 10% at the YMCA. Then this these games, some of these games play like that in week 18. No one wants to play Josh Dobbs a week 18. James Connors also out. That's true. That's not good. That's huge. Yeah, no, I'm I'm fed. This Niners team full of quick, full of quick. That was a Super Bowl last week, Sean. That's what you would say. That was their Super Bowl. They went for it. They didn't get it. Now they all they're left with is the past or not. Lay it with Kyler meaningless game. Get you over your total in the contest. No, I hope I hope he does. But last up game of the century, some are calling it Minnesota Detroit. I did try to scramble and verify this in the time we've been talking, Sean. But I do not think we've had another NFL game between a non playoff game between with that included 28 wins. Yeah. So Detroit lays three in this game coming off. I don't want to call it an emotional win. Cause every win is emotional for Detroit. It seems man, man, man, man. But man, it's another emotional win for Dan Campbell, minus 150 on the Moneyline Vikings plus 130 56 is the total. It's wild to think that the Vikings could win the division. It's wild to think the Vikings could end up with the one seed. I mean, I, in some respects, Sam Darnold probably did deserve a little bit more shine in the MVP conversation. He, he never really had any of it this season, which feels a little unfair. Cause he has been great. I did post a graphic recently courtesy of Aaron shots. He's also having an elite year when it comes to defensive pass interference yards. Part of what's fueling that offense, which surfaced the fact that Tom Brady in one of his Tampa years had 23 DPI's insane. But all of that being said, you look at the way they're getting it done. It's a great offensive scheme with great offensive playmakers all over the field. And the quiet piece, I think of this offense that we still aren't really talking about Addison's a number one who's playing a number two across from the best receiver in the NFL. And that's what makes him so difficult. And that's what makes him terrifying in this matchup because they should be able to cook that secondary. And to me, this is going to come down to very, very simply how much does Brian Flores affect Jared Goff? Cause if they can't keep pace in a shoot out here, I might be forced to take the Viking shot. I have a lot of money invested in this. If the lions win this game, I mean, the lions not winning the division at 14 and three would be pretty hilarious. So basically it's a five figure swing for me. So I, I'm trying to figure out what I even do with this. Like I'm not, I'm obviously, I'm not much of a gardener. I'm not really looking to hedge, but I don't need to, like I need to put zero pennies down on this game to have a sweat because I am, I'm already sweating. I'm already annoyed. This, this bed has gone all the way in the DMS. And I said, if you want to, I mean, it's not hedging. If you're building a middle here, um, by taking Minnesota plus three and a half, that's a pretty, pretty juicy middle. If you ask me, there's three and a half out there. Oh, you might have to buy that half point. I mean, I was seeing, I was seeing plus three. Um, I was seeing plus three plus 100 at some places for Minnesota. So, you know, even if you pay, if you're getting three and a half minus one 25, that could be a pretty interesting middle for you. I actually think it's gone further, uh, since you've been looking, it's down to two and a half. Like it's, it's three or two and a half out there. So, okay. Um, yeah. Like DK has moved to minus two and a half, minus one 20 for the lines. I mean, golf had a near perfect game the last time, uh, they played the Vikings. I mean, Detroit's going to be rocking. They're going to be so up for this game, but how do you, the Vikings getting points and the Vikings are just one of these teams that people keep doubting and they keep showing up in these spots. And I think maybe there is a little bit of a letdown spot after avengeing the 49ers, you know, a game that they didn't need that, um, you know, Dan Campbell was like, we played a win the game. Uh, brother, it's hard not to do like a whole Cogan. Uh, yeah, whole Cogan. Um, who was a snap into a slim gym guy? Um, Oh shit. Well, we're not wrestling guys. Macho man. Oh, Macho man. Macho man, Dan Campbell. Uh, come on. When you come down to the Florida, Florida, Rita, we're going to be ready for you on Vikings. I think, uh, I think you got to take the Vikings in the three. I think you're getting three points here with a team that, uh, has inner division revenge in the situation spot of the lions. You can't empty the tank every week. Uh, we just, it as good as this lion's team is and you kind of feel silly at times, uh, fading them. I would look towards the bills game. Part of the reason they, they maybe lost for the bills was they were up so much for that Packers game, the, the game before like, and they were clearly up so much for that, uh, Monday night game and it wasn't an easy cruise game for them. They were down at halftime. They had to battle back. They got the win. They got the cover. It was a nice win for them. I think, uh, I think Vikings, uh, in the three now, maybe they don't win outright, but I'm definitely taking the Vikings in the three points. Brian Campbell owns, uh, Kevin O'Connell. Um, yeah, I, I'm not, I'm not doing that. I'm not, I'm not doing that at all. Sean, I think that they're going to load up play a physical brand of football. Um, two tight ends. I certainly Sean back up, like multiple tight end sets will be employed for such stats. Fullbacks will be in play. I think that's how you attack the Brian Flores defense. And I think like you mentioned that the last time golf was flawless against that blitz and that scheme. And so once, I mean, once people figure out flores, they figure them out. And I think in this spot Detroit rolls Detroit wins the division. There's no way this will let down spot. That's a reckless take by you. This is for all the marbles, Sean. This is what they've been playing for to get that one seat. Not a let down spot, but it's like every week can't be the biggest week of your season. I think it might add up at some point. And I think the Vikings, the Vikings have, um, I don't know. The Vikings are playing with house money here too. Kind of. I mean, but like I, I agree with that statement, but I also think that this is like Dan Campbell on this lion's team is doing exactly what they had planned to do. And the idea that Dan Campbell wouldn't have coached the idea that this is going to be an 18 week mission, week one to week 18. This is what we're doing. Man, what a, what a privilege to have it come down to this moment. This game right here. We're it's obvious. This is for everything. It rests next week. Like you said before, rest when we're not playing. Well, you don't, you don't play next week if you win this game. So nice for more could be a interesting week on Jerry golf sucks Island. Ryan just saying could be, could be an interesting week. It's deserted. What are you talking about? There's naked humans taking shits on the side of the ultimate. It's the ultimate buy low opportunity. The phone will be ringing on Jerry. Do you like human urine smell? Perfect. Hey, of course, our lock dog and tea is brought to you by rhythm. Go to sports, give him a podcast.com. So try THMM. Get your seven day free trial. Love rhythm for NFL props, NFL picks, college, basketball, NBA, rhythm does it all very fun. You can build your own model or just trust their, their models to do the heavy lifting sports, give them a pack as that comm such RIT HMM. Get your seven day free trial. If you try and you don't like it, cancel. You got seven days, perfect week to try out rhythm. I think you're going to enjoy it. Sports give him a podcast.com slash RIT HMM Kramer. What do you got? Meaningless week 18, um, slate, one hour, 54 minutes in the bag. Let's see. Let's all these gambling opportunities. We're not, we're not wrestling our starters. We're not phoning it in. We are not resting our starters. All right. Lock number one, give me the bucks minus 13. Whoa. Surprising. Didn't see coming. Lock number two. You know, I'm, I'm very, uh, yeah, let's just do it. Detroit minus three. I'm going to double down. I'm already heavily invested dog. I told you throughout the show there were two I thought we could circle, uh, really three bears, chiefs, Raiders, but Raiders is the most obvious play in the history of the planet. Plus 190 Antonio Pierce gets another win on the way out because the chargers don't need it. Hopefully the Steelers win that Saturday game. Tease speaking of those Steelers plus seven and a half. What great value going through all those key numbers. Let's, uh, take the bucks. Oh, do I want to double dip? Yeah. You know what? Bucks down to seven. And, uh, yeah, give me a genome down to a half and the fighting Seahawks minus a half from Seattle. T's in the Seahawks down all righty. Okay. For me for my, let's see here. It's always interesting. Week 18. What is the lock? You know what? Let's make history. Give me the Houston Texans, uh, as a pick them. And then, uh, give me the Eagles laying the two Tanner McKee gets it done. And that's the ultimate win, win either the Eagles win or the Giants win and all their, other whining millennial fans. Why did we beat the Eagles? Why didn't we lose? Well, you know what it's going to do? Sean, it's going to draw out all the people that write letters to retire from being a fan. Yeah. That's it. I'm no longer a fan. Here's my three paragraphs on a notepad. You fucking losers. Uh, and, uh, give me the Carolina Panthers. Three to one. I mean, Michael, I, I against Michael Pennics who again, I'm not as out on Pennics as you are, Ryan, but the, the fact that you can get a three to one on the Carolina Panthers right now that it's a crazy value. So yeah, give me the Panthers, um, to get it done here for my T's Minnesota up to nine. I just, the Detroit defense is just, um, really rough. I, I, nine points is a ton. Um, next up in the T's Tampa Bay down seven co-signing that. And yeah, give me the Steelers up to seven and a half as well. So for our last circuit, million. And if you've been following along, circuit million, pretty solid year, Ryan 45, 38 and two, uh, 54% ATS. So, uh, I know tout services that charge thousands of the dollars that get the same, uh, percentage there for our circuit million. So you got Tampa Bay in Detroit, Houston, Eagles. What's our last consensus play? I think, uh, Washington's interesting Carolina. How do we have all favorites on week 18? No, Houston's a pick. Oh, whatever. Basically, because you pick two favorites for your own. Those are, those were my locks. Uh, I would say we go with one of the bigger divisional dogs, like Kansas City, Carolina, yeah, Kansas City, Carolina, Chicago, all three of those are interesting to me. And that could be an interesting round rob and money line parlay as well. Uh, chaos. I mean, to me the, the chiefs is the, is the one. All right. Going against my Broncos, K C plus 10 Carson Wentz gets it done. So, uh, yeah, that'll do it. Thank you everyone for tuning in. As always, I'm going to try and get out a late night, a prop show tomorrow night, youtube.com/sportsgame in the podcast. Smash that subscribe button. Appreciate everyone leaving a nice five stars over on Spotify, Apple podcast, writer review. Always appreciate that was a great year in sports, giving podcast, sports, giving podcast network, killing it download wise. So appreciate everyone, um, supporting us, telling a friend, take it down corporate gambling and happy new year. And, uh, of course, thank you for participating in the sports game in podcast. For sports game in the packets, I'm Sean, a stack of the money green. He's Ryan. Well, that's good, Sean. Happy new year. Kramer, let it ride. 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The guys (@GamblingPodcast) give out their NFL best bets in this NFL picks week 18 podcast episode. Ryan and Sean pick every NFL game against the spread like they’ve done since 2011. Plus Sean addresses the drama surrounding whether or not the Eagles should play Saquon Barkley.
