True Crime Podcast 2025 - Police Interrogations, 911 Calls and True Police Stories Podcast

Serial Killer Elizabeth Wettlaufer's FULL Confession to Police CHILLING!

Serial Killer Elizabeth Wettlaufer's FULL Confession to Police CHILLING!

Ontario Provincial Police conducted a 2½-hour-longinterview on Oct. 5, 2016, in which the former nurse described thekilling of patients in her care.

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Duration:: 2h 35m
Broadcast on:: 02 Jan 2025
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And make sure that we're all on the same page before we get going. Okay. So, first off, today is Wednesday, October the 5th, 2016, and on my phone right now I'll just use that as a time reference, it's 5/14, so 17/14, we'll just use that as a start time of our conversation here today. Again, my name is Nathan Vergott with the Woodstock Food Service. I currently work in our crime unit, and we met a short time ago in downtown Toronto, correct? Yeah. And we came to a facility where you've spent the last few weeks, from what I understand. Yeah. And we met with Dr. Kahn and his team of associates, and I believe you're under his care for the last little while, correct? Yeah, for the last three. Okay. And the process I'll probably got here basically is kind of offered you a right back, and so we could have this conversation, and you were basically accepted, and off we went down the 401, or the dinner, the two of you, and the four of you, and here we are, right? So, just to make it clear for whoever made Washington the future, we didn't force you to come with us. We didn't, you know, shove you in the car, and off we went kind of thing. You did it on your own pretty well, and you accepted it on your own decision-making. Is that correct? Yeah, no. Yeah, I had enough, and even let me try to get money to the homeless people. Well, there you go. I remember all of that. I remember all of that. So, I know I've read you a few things before, as we were kind of just cruising down Spadina there, and I know you've been read this many times, but it's just things that we need to just reiterate and make sure that you're clear and comfortable with having this conversation today. Okay. Okay. Like I said, based on our investigations, there could be some pretty serious criminal charges that result of our investigation. Okay. So, having said that, if you wish to speak to a lawyer at any time, I don't want you to hesitate, we can make it happen whenever you're like, so when there is now five minutes from now, an hour from now, or three days from now, whatever the case may be, you just want to let him be asking questions. That's your case, I hope not. I hope not. I'm just saying that any time that you want to be to a lawyer, that you're kind of an our company, or whatever the case may be, you let us know and we can make that accommodation for you. Does that make sense? Okay. Because in your position as a Canadian citizen, you're entitled to have free legal advice from a legal aid duty council lawyer, a lawyer of your choice, wherever you like. Okay. Make sense? Yeah. Okay. And like I said, because there could be some criminal charges that result of our investigation. Okay. Okay. And also, and I know you've read this many times before, that you may be charged with many criminal offenses. And you don't have to say anything in the answer to the charges that you pay. But if you wish to do so, we're going to do that today. But whatever you do say, could be used in court. And I know we had that conversation in the car on the way back to Woodstock and I asked you to repeat it in your own words, and you kind of gave us a few of describing it in your own vocabulary. It was something like it's not vague. It's what happens in the car, on the way back, doesn't necessarily stay in the car. Yeah. The same thing, the same thing as the room, anything that you say and everything that we talked about, could be used in evidence at court. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, kind of, to put it, you leave the same rules of life. Okay. And if you've spoken to any other police officers, I know that you've dealt with the problem. There's a couple officers in the car on our trip back here. If anyone's persuaded you or tried to put you into making a statement, whatever they said, I don't want that to influence you in any way. Okay. Well, then we'd like to say, and I'm giving up on my own free look. Okay. Sorry. And I appreciate that. And we'll be moving forward for another few things, and I know that we said this in the car, you are not under arrest right now. Okay. I'm not very clear to you. Okay. You're not under arrest. The door is unlocked. Okay. I'm not repeating your way to the door if you want to leave at any time, if you want to stop talking to me at any time, you just let me know, and we'll just carry on from there. Okay. Okay. But you're not being held here, hence your will. We're not forcing you to speak to us. We just have some follow-up, some follow-up questions from the investigation. Okay. Got one while you were in Toronto. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to be able to, I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. I'm not going to be able to speak to you. That's kind of all formalities, but like I said, those are the things that I just wanted to make sure that we're clear to you. If you have any questions for me before we get started, what was your decision or any concern that you had? No, I just, I want to get through this and find out what happened to my mom and dad because I know they're upset because someone went to visit them today. Okay. They visited them today and they said, "No, they're here. We're concerned. What's going on?" Oh, I can imagine. I honestly don't have those answers for you, but I can get them for you. My role in this investigation so far has been not as adept as some of the other officers, but my task today obviously was to travel to Toronto and be with you with my fellow co-workers and come back here and have a conversation, so that's kind of where I'm at right now. But I can definitely get those answers for you, and I don't want to upset any more people that need to be, especially your mom and dad. You should have thought Luke, Luke, you can take a photo in there. You know what? If I could afford them for the blast, I probably would have. Yeah, I was explaining the last thing. So just for the record, and I know you'd prefer to go by methods like you told me that correct, and you just state your voting for me. And then this trades the main what officer? That trades the main? Yeah. Okay. And just spell your last thing for the record. W-E-T-T-L-A-U-S-E-R. Perfect. And the reason why we're here today is because we've received some information back at the end of last week, which regards to some information that was provided in Toronto Police Service, which is a lot of things who have quite a bit of work in these certain days. With regards to kind of how this all started and follow up. But basically, I've watched your statement that you've provided strong. Okay. Okay. And we've been provided this document here. Is that the familiar? Yeah. Okay. All right. And from what I can see here, there's four pages of handwritten documents that you're handwriting. Yes, it is. Okay. And it just kind of goes through some people that you've encountered in your career. From 2007 through to... 2016, August of 2016. Okay. So that's kind of the focus of our investigation right now is the information that you put on these four pieces of paper. Yeah. Okay. But before we get into that, I just want to kind of get an idea of your career and where you've been in your career and how you got into things. I'm a registered nurse. I started from here in Park Secondary School. I graduated grade 13, one three year in law school, not law school, so a journalism school. Okay. And then I went to a Bible college, I went back to a Bible college in London, graduated with a degree in counseling, with a bachelor's degree in counseling. And then discovered that that's not going to be really going to get me a lot of hard work-wise and career-wise. So I went back to here in Park High School for a year, and I took a year of math and sciences, and went on to Conestoga College. They have... It's in Kitchener, but they have Stratford campus, so I went there for three years. Okay. And then when I graduated there, I worked in a place called Geraldson, which is 16 hours of that trauma. Like I said, it's quite a bit north. Three hours of the Sunday day. Yeah, it's quite a bit south there. Yes. Worked there, couldn't stand the installation, moved back. Worked for an organization called Christian Horizons here in town in one of their group homes. Until 2007, at which time my marriage fell apart in December 2007, and I met a woman online, and she decided to move to be with me. So I ended up quitting the job I was at, and going to Crescent Care to make a little bit more money, because I was doing my pregnancy for her. So I started working at Crescent Care. Please, it was June 2007. Until 2017, yeah, so I think it was March 2017. And were you always in the same role? As a restaurant? As a restaurant? As a restaurant. Right, the restaurant is always the same, but I worked in different areas of home. There's five links to Crescent Care, so I worked in different areas. Right, I'll throw the seven or so years that you were there. Yes. And at that point, did you have different supervisors from Unity Unit or? No, there was one supervisor held from me, she was the nurse. And then there was, like, people under her, Shelly Jeanette. I don't know if the rest of the room. And there was, like, an administrative head. And I think from also that time it was Brenda. Okay. And then from Crest Care, and you've got a few other. Yeah, I went from Creston Care, fired from Creston Care. Okay. For the medication areas, error, error. Yeah. Then from there I went to Meadow Park, nursing home. Okay. And last there to get help with addiction issues. Helping that it would get help with that as well. And then when it came back, I started working again in January of last. I left Meadow Park in September of 2014. And I started working for a nursing agency called Life Guard in 2015. And I worked with them for over a year, and then in July 2016, I started working for St. Louis the healthcare. Okay. As well, I was still working for Life Guard. Okay. And how did that work? Did you just split your time between the two? No. Or was it just kind of a part-time position at both organizations? St. Louis was my priority. Okay. So, in Life Guard and very much you pick up the shifts as they come. There's very few scheduled shifts, so I can say yes and no to them and put it on the same list. And were those roles where you would do like in home care with different lives? With Life Guard, it's an agency, so you go into nursing homes. You go into people's homes. You go into like retirement homes. You do a lot of different things, a lot of one-on-one people, like in their own homes. Twelve-hour shifts, eight-hour shifts, like sitting with them. A lot of the stuff I did was sitting with five patients. Right. Okay. So, what are you talking about? Hey, it was okay. Yeah. Like, because I knew they were going to die. Yeah. And it was just an opportunity to give the family a rest. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's an important role. I mean, a lot of people wouldn't see it that way. And, you know, notice the care that people are giving from people into yourself, right? You want to give the families a bit of a break and take that role. It's important that people don't see it right. Because when someone's dying in the house, families don't want everyone to be asleep at once, right? And that can be very hard if you're not able to do that. That's right. You have a nurse there that says, "No, it's okay. I've got this. I know the medications I get. It's going to be all right." That's right. That's right. That's easy. Yeah. Yeah. Um, back at Metal Park. What was your addition? I was, I had a marsh. Okay. All right. I know my phone. Okay. And what, like, how much were you using? I was a binge user. So, I would use what I could get a hold of. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. And how would that work if they could just be in their, in their allotted medications? Or would you have access to a card to feed your dinner? Um, there's some, there's a lot of medications. Some of them had, um, confusions. So they couldn't tell the difference between what those you were giving them. So I'd give them a lot. I didn't, I didn't want them. Okay. Um, there was, uh, lot of them had as needed. So it would be in a big card. Mm-hmm. And then they'd say, I would just punch out that, oh, Barney needed two of those today. And I was building these three of those. They really didn't. Okay. And that's how I would get a hold of it. Okay. Every once in a while. There was also a, um, drug book, drug, big drug, uh, holder. Like a safe almost. That we would put the drugs in. Okay. Once, uh, like if somebody dies. Yeah. And they're really trying to hide their marks left. Which slides the whole card into the drug holder. Well, if you pick it up and turn it up, sit down and shook it. You can get that back out of it. Oh. So you had your ways? Yes. Okay. And, and was that ever an issue with, was that were we ever confronted or? Um. Totally undetected for the, the time you were there. At the time when, um, hydro marks was delivered to the home. And they didn't get put away right away. So the person who should have. And so I took my hydro marks and put it in my bag and took it home. And it wasn't discovered for us. And, uh, so I just played down on the police home. And then I played down. Yeah. And that was that. Yeah. So as a venue, a venue user then like how much would you, would you be using? I mean, obviously when you go on a daily basis or if you're a venue. Yeah. But like how long did the addiction last for? Oh, addiction lasted from, I think it started in 2008. So since 2014, that was time I went away and got treatment, uh, treatment center. Okay. But then, uh, I started using again probably the January, 2050 to 2050. I don't know. I don't know. Are you still using me? Do you get your hands on them? No. No. Um, uh, I'm going to stop using alcohol as well. Of which I have friends in A and I've got a very clear plan. I guess if I'm able to be able to vote for a very clear plan. And I also know if I'm not able to vote for the answer. But it's that A and A and I try not to have some programs where they come into pressure. Absolutely. So, yeah. That's my plan. Well, that's good that you have a plan. Um, what do you think, what do you think the reason is that you stepped into the addiction? I don't know what you think. Um, it's just the strategy of the job that you're for. Yeah. Yeah, just your personal life as well. It's always feeling like I have to be the best possible person in this very, very stressful job to new medications to 32 people. Um, making sure treatments are done on 32 people. Carrying pressure to 32 people. Supervising four PS studies. They sometimes didn't always get along. They sometimes always didn't always get along with me. Um, it's a hard job. I mean, there's a hard job. I believe 100%. Um, and then they would add different things like, "Oh, you have to do this." And lots of places here and counting the medications that be able to shift. And it was a hard job. And I just, I always was putting this pressure on myself to be a really good nurse and to do everything perfectly. And every once in a while, when I give that hold of a hydromar for two and take it, then that pressure response. Right. And, um, the treatment, uh, decided that you went away too well. I cannot remember. I tried to treasure a member. Yes. Um. Was it local or? No, it was, it was at a town that looked like two of the two-hour drives. Okay. You know where the locks are? Yep. Near 90s. Well, um. Well, um. It's a little town outside of Wallach. And they have, uh, it's an 18-day treatment that they have. And it's successful. I want to do the whole thing. Nice. So, well, 18 days. Yes. Okay. And it helps. Yes. Yep. What about family? You're born and raised with some? Yeah. Born and raised with some, uh, married from 2000, er, from '97 to 2007. Was broke up, um, February, 2007. No children. I wanted them. They never did. My mom and dad were in their 70s. 75 and 76. I have cousins all over the area. Um. And, uh, my brother and his wife and four kids, they live in not... Okay. And they're, um... Well, it's never quite active. The oldest one is 26, and he's got a wife and two kids. And this is parents. They always have parents except for my... Oh, is that right? Yes. Just one big house of crazy... Yeah, just one big house of crazy... Yeah, they have a family. Have you been able to visit at all? Have you been able to visit at all? Um, I've been to see their house once. They've been here a few times. Nice. I'm 27 and I'm 13 for my parents' 50th living anniversary. Nice. And, um, my nephew and his wife stayed behind and lives with my parents for a few months. Oh, my nephew tried to do the final college. Oh, good. But he lives in a successful, so... He lives back. No. So you're a brother older? Everything you do. Older. He's three years older than me. Fifty... Fifty-two. Right on. Okay. Um, so as far as related position acts, um, take a little bit. Yeah. As was your last position as a part of that? It was. Okay. And you said you resigned from there? Yeah. Okay. What brought you to that? [sighs] That's... That's not... My thing is getting a little crazy. Okay. Sorry. But I haven't told you about first. Um, couldn't seem so stupid now. Mm-hmm. Well, my ex and I broke up in 2007. I was already taking the medication for my... for my borderline personality disorder. And I was so angry. And it was like a voice set inside me. I'll use this to you. Don't worry about it. And the different times that I have caused people's deaths are caused and just come through the... through the influence. Mm-hmm. I believe it was the influence of that voice and whatever it was. It was a voice in the head. It was a voice in the ear. And when I would do it afterwards, I would hear like a last room in my chest. Okay. So I started working for St. Elizabeth. And I was doing well, but it was a lot of pressure. And the way that, you know, that I've helped people up to die has been through insulin. And after my first, my 30-day evaluation, my... my supervisor came to me and said, you know, I'm really sorry. We wanted you for which stuff, but we have so many kids through schools and English schools that need help with their insulin pumps that you're going to start working in English school. And I panicked. I panicked. I didn't want to do that. So I felt, you know, what if... I was a kid. So about... This wasn't about a week after that that I quit. And then I packed my stuff in the car. And I drove two days in the... I drove him to come back thinking like, I would just start to run away, sort of thing. And then I thought, no, that's just stupid. I came back. And the friend tell them, parents, what was going on? But they had visitors from Scotland. So I didn't tell them. I just... I'm sorry, spend two weeks pretending to go to work. Okay. Well, well, the visitors in Scotland were here. It's fun, but it's not funny. And then... Once they lost, I decided I didn't want to nurse anymore. I didn't want to hurt anybody anymore. So I also quit my other job. And then I decided, well, whatever Friday that was, that... Like, I did a lot of this looking into how I could get help. So I realized I needed help with whatever this was. 'Cause part of me has started to believe that it was the devil. And part of me thought it might be God. It was a purpose for my life. And I know the doctor asked me those questions, but it didn't answer them because I was so ashamed. But I just... I didn't want this to keep going on. So I put both jobs. Looked into where I could get help. Dr. Fernando is my psychiatrist. And he's not a very nice man. So I went on my line, uh, support groups and was talking to people on there. And they were saying, you know, get some help. So then I started researching some site boards and stuff and I saw a handage. And they're the only mental health facility in Ontario that has the University Department. So I made a decision and I went there one Friday morning. I took the train and off I went. And before I went, I told three people what was going on. And I was friends for many days. And my friend told them I was going on and said yes, both of your help. And my friend said I drove me to the train station. And when you say you told them what was going on, did you get into... I told them I was going to seek help first. I told them that I was going to seek help. And they said yes, you better go get help. So off my line. Okay. And... She's friends from, uh, when I used to work with... Okay. All right. Good last name. Um... Okay. And she drove me to the train station on that. On a Friday morning? Yeah. Um, and then your other friend was... This is my cousin. Okay. She kind of knew yours. Yeah. She lives in D.C. Okay. And I... And if you don't want to tell me again, that's fine. Based on the reason why this person may not be a friend, but you're a friend. My friend, yeah. Okay. She's... I can tell your first name. Okay. Otherwise it's confidential. And I don't want to dig into that. At this point, that's not a problem at all. Um, so did you disclose the thing to all those three people? Yeah, I had been giving this one over and out. Because I didn't say why, because that kind of felt so stupid. Yeah. Yeah. I just felt so stupid. Okay. And Beth, to be honest with you, I admire your... The way that you're conducting yourself and telling us and having this conversation with me. I thank you for that. Um, and I'm not here to judge in any way. I know. So I don't want you to know that. And I'm not a doctor. I know you spent a lot of time at CAMH the last three weeks, right? Yeah. Um, and I'm far from a doctor. But I do appreciate you telling me the truth and telling me the way that these things happen and play notes. Yeah. And I admire you for that. And it's been a while because I've been stewing about, like, do I give the names of the people that I kill? Right. Because then, here's eight families that thought that their family member died peacefully and normally, and they didn't. And what's that going to do about family? Right. And even up to going to the hospital, I decided I was just going to give the first names. And my cousin has listened. They know what years you worked there. If you don't tell them the exact names, they're doing the go in there and go over every single file. And that's going to be even worse for the families there. So that she was the one who gave me that advice to give the names. And as far as you know, as these people, reshopes any of the police agencies where they may reside to notify that you've told them this, or did you tell them any kind of confidence that they constantly wouldn't tell anyone? Okay. But basically, the appliance was, if I didn't get help, then they'd be on the next day. Okay. So did you tell them basically that? I told them the night before I went. Okay. So Thursday night? Yeah. That's basically what they said was, you know, if you haven't gotten help Friday, then work on the police. We love you. But we're constantly. Okay. And this is from the folks that they have an obligation. Yeah. Yeah. And they're doing a moral obligation on where they saw it right? Yeah. What are the medications that we're on right now? I'm taking fluvoxamine. It's called luvox 200 milligrams. It's anti-fessional and anti-depressant. Okay. And then I'm taking 300 milligrams of seraphyl, which is an anti-psychotic. And they opt to that when I was at Cambridge, which has really helped clear my thinking. That's good. And then I'm taking a couple of blood pressure medications, and then I've got some glossopines for when I get really agitated. And when we left the hospital, you didn't take it, and I believe some had it in. Is that right? I took two milligrams of had it in when we left the hospital. Right. Which was, you guys noticed the time, one day or something like that. Right. Yeah. Exactly. And it had nothing to it. Okay. And I know that this is Dr. Comber by the prescription. Yeah. And he also gave me two loxopines. Yeah. And was very strict. I am not to take them to all the interviews they're over, because they will start to interfere with my thinking. Yeah. And then that's used to me. Yeah. Exactly. And do you feel that you're about a clear sound line right now? Yes. I do. Perversing with me in this room. Yeah. Okay. And everything that you're telling me is the truth. And it's the best that you can ever imagine. Yeah. Yeah. I can appreciate where you're coming from as far as the work that you went through. Obviously, I've never been a nurse. I've never worked in a perversal that you did. But I can imagine how overwhelming it was. Yeah. Having a lot of responsibility. Maybe not having a support of the administration or your supervisors. You know, just kind of go and get it done, right? Yeah. And that could be... I can see how that would be stressful and I can see how that would drive you maybe into your addiction and other things. But I wanted to just go over this document. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Would you do that with me? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. No, no, no. Sorry. Absolutely not. This is pretty... Excuse me. Major. I've only ever had parking tickets. I've never been arrested for anything. Well, like I said, you're not under arrest or something. Oh, I know. But it is a very significant investigation. I understand. Okay. And like I said before about that, I do appreciate you speaking with us. Can I imagine that? Does it feel like a way off your shoulders? Yeah. So do you think carrying a burden for quite some time? And I've tried to get help. Yeah. Yeah. Well, sometimes it takes a few attempts to finally commit to it, right? Yeah. I had a posture that I told me. I prayed over me and told me I'd be fine. And that was about great. And then... When was that? That was how we... 2013. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And where was that? That was here in town. Do you want to sing? I should do one or something. It's up to you. Oh, no. Sorry. It wasn't... Did I just say 2014? 2013. Okay. All right. So before we get into this, I know that there's a statement which we have that I've watched for a tentative mutation in Toronto. That's the issue. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And I honestly think it was Detective Hamilton and I honestly can't remember any other detective's name. I don't start with an A. And you met with them for... I was gonna say about an hour and a half. And at that point, you had your possession, a photocopy of this document. Yeah, right. And you went through and you read it out. Yes. Okay. And then following that, they started with the first name on the list. And they wanted to just try and do a little bit more detail of the involvement in each circumstance. Okay. Right? Okay. That's what I'd like to do today and just give some more detail. Okay. Okay. So... It's a long list. It is. It is. But I think that you and I, I think we can get through it together. Yeah. I'm sure we can. I have only a patient listening. I've got all the time in the list. I'm not going anywhere. Because I'm typically comfortable with a nice chair, but... Yeah. Anytime you need to get up and wander around a few... Like I said, if you want to take a break and have me leave and just kind of stretch your legs and whatever the kids may be. Go ahead. Okay. If you have to use a wash running time to something else. Alright. Okay. Because like I said, I'm yours as long as you need to be. Okay. Okay. And I'm not pressuring you to stay longer than you want to. But I think that, I think if we just kind of sit down and go through this, like I said, we'll get through it together. Yeah. I'm a pretty patient person. I'm here to just listen to what you have to tell me, okay? Okay. Okay. Like I said, I appreciate it. Okay. So how about we just do this together? I'll just bring this over here. Is that okay? Sure. Okay. So I'm not going to have you reach through this entire document because I've already... You already did that, right? I have written it. I have read it. I have, you know, lived it. So... Yeah. Absolutely. So, Mr. Stillcox. Yes. Okay. September of 2007. Yeah. Okay. The first one that died is the result of what I did. Okay. So before you get into that, you have signed on kind of page numbers, all that kind of stuff onto the document. So we'll just go in order of how you've written it, okay? And I know that the detectives in Toronto kind of had this in their position and just kind of got you to recall some things. Yeah. I'm just going to keep it here because, I mean, you've already written this out. So what's on here is we already know that. I just have some follow-up question that is with regards to each circumstance. So Mr. Stillcox, it says here you were working a double shift from 307, right? 3PM to 7 AM. Right. Okay. And this was that crescent care. Yes. Okay. In Woodstock. Yes. Okay. And tell me about your knowledge of James and your daily interactions during a shift with him. I didn't see him every time he wasn't always my patient. I just knew from what people have said that he would grab the nurses, press, and the buttocks, and he would say horribly inappropriate things about his wife that now he was there, you know, he was going to fuck all of this. She was going to fuck all of this, because this was safe for what he was saying. And he did touch me in an appropriate way. And where was that? On the road. On the road. Okay. And for you alone in the room and after one of you. Yes. Did he have a roommate at all? Did you have a roommate? I, he knocked us. He wasn't in this thing. Okay. So was either in a double room or a quadrant or something? Okay. Would you remember any other residents that would be roomed with him at that time? No. No. From that little bit. What portion of the home was James in at this point? He was in the, he was in the East Wing, so he was in the North Wing. He was in the North Wing. He was halfway down and he was either in a double bed or a quadrant or a bed. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. And the diagnosis of his health at the time you were carrying form, do you remember? He was posted surgery and he had dementia. Do you remember how well he was approximately? No, I don't know. He was in the Navy. In the Navy. Yeah. Okay. And sorry he was not a diabetic. Not a diabetic. And sorry he said he had dementia. Yeah. Okay. But she was also molded here as well. Yeah. Okay. So tell me about the night. Was this the first person that you did this to? That I, that I tried. Well, there were other people that had done it too, which didn't die. Prior to James. Prior to James. Okay. And he's talking about him here. He's her son who died. Right. Back here. But there's some other. People who didn't die. Right. So I can't read that first. So till later in. Okay. So that was, I mean they're both. It was the first 2007. But that would be four games. Yeah. Okay. So was this your first attempt at, at what we're going to do to these people on this one? Yes. Cause I don't know what it was. And I didn't really want her to die. I just, I don't know. I was just angry and, um, has this sense inside me that she might be the person that God wanted back for some. And is that, that feeling you're referring to that you had in your stomach sometimes? Yeah. Yeah. And I, he did get off to a topic here. But the point where you had these feelings in your stomach and all of that laughter after it happened. Yeah. Is that the part that you didn't tell Dr. Kahn? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to be clear on that. I told you about laughter and my stomach, but not the feeling that this might be the person that God wants. Okay. I'll say that. But it sounded so stupid. It's your feelings, right? Mm hmm. And so I felt like I wanted to use the, and he kept, Dr. Kahn kept asking me, do you think God chose me for a special purpose? I kept saying no, because that did not sound like a special purpose. No? Yeah. So, but yeah, I just had a sense, back to my marriage, woke up that God was going to use me for something. And then, after a while, I started to really wonder after some of the murders. I think it was God, or if it was a devil fool in me. Did you feel you were doing the right thing for these two? No. No. I felt like I was doing what I was supposed to do, but it was almost right for that. Okay. So, James, then it was an evening that this one took place, right? Yeah. Since you're at about 9.30? Yeah. Long and true. How about 9.30? I gave him a dose of 50 milligrams of insulin. Not diabetics. So, I went into it. I used to have borrowed insulin, patent borrowed insulin, and gave him an insulin shot. And at 3.30, the TSW, well throughout the night, he was yelling at, I love you, and I'm sorry. Yeah. And then at 3.30, the TSW came to me and said that he was gone. So, I did what we're supposed to do. I went and listened to this heart and chest, called the doctor, called the family, except what they wanted. Family came in. That was for a while. The death was from an embolism due to his post-hip. He had to get surgery. Dr. Rovid embolism due to post-hip surgery. Fine. Who do you think you were starting to when you were yelling at, I love you. I thought it might be his family. I really did. And when they came in and talked to me, they wanted to know if he said anything. So, I told them that it was still changed. Oh, shit. Yeah. You were a sequence family? Yeah. And is that the family that kind of commended you for the work that you had done? Yeah. So, I did that for now. Yes. How did that make you count? Awful. Yeah. Absolutely awful. How did you deal with it? Um, I just went home, went to bed. You know, I felt awful. Maybe I thought it was my girlfriend. Did some exercises, you know? Yeah. Did somebody use them as a hitter and just tried to forgive them of it? Did you have a problem sleeping at night at all? Well, I was working nights, so I was... You were in the day then? Um, I would say it's often turned a bit, yeah. So, I figured that. And I didn't want to see the family, yeah. So, I tried to make sure I wasn't working when they came to pick up the stuff. And what room? Do you remember like a room number or just... No, those down in our phone? The wing, yeah. Okay. When you and where did you get the insulin from for James? For Mr. Stillcox? You said you'd take into night at school. Um, it was... The insulin was kept in a fridge in the medication room. We had two medication rooms. And so, it was kept in a fridge in the medication room. And, uh, extra pens were kept in the drawer. So, you could just say somebody who had someone who was admitted and you need to do a pen in a hurry. So, you just put them in a pen and put the needle on and dial up and the dose can give it... And how was that documented? To know that... So, the crescent care would know that you were taking that easily? They didn't keep tracking pen in front. Okay. So, it was just something that was available for the nurses when they either have been appropriate for the certain patients? Yes. Now, each patient has their own insulin. Right. And maybe somebody noticed... Somebody may have noticed that a lot of insulin was missing. A lot was used, but I was always careful to see different people. Okay. Different people, insulin. Insulin, yes. Okay. All right. And Mr. Stokock, then, where did you inject the insulin into his body? I'm not really sure I'm going to say his arm or his torso. And did he know what was going on at that point? Not really. Was he a verbal patient? Oh, yes. He didn't really convert. He did a lot of yelling out. I don't really remember him reacting then. I gave it to him. So, he didn't react? I don't remember. I'm reacting now. Okay. Well, he may be just thinking it's a regular portion of his day. And how does he have any medications that he's still required? Oh, please. I didn't ask you. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Can you hear anything else you're going to remember when Mr. Stokock? Um, his wife and daughter lost him a lot. Mm-hmm. And how does that make you good? Grappie. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Um... He... Yeah. Um... He... Yeah, like I said, he could be a bit of a handful. But you know, he ate and drank normally. He took his pills when he told me to. So, nothing else I can really remember about him. But, this is, you know, not yours because of him. So, well, I know. Yeah. Yeah. How long after when did you break up with your husband? I broke up with August 27, 2007. Oh, no, no. I broke up with him in, uh, end of January, beginning of February, 2007. Okay. Okay. So, it was quite some time until September until you actually... Yeah. All right. I guess... By the time I was in a new relationship with a woman... Okay. Who was that? Her name was Maureen. All right. All right. Um... Did you ever just go to her while you were doing it? No. Absolutely not. So, you just kind of... When about your thing with Mr. Stokock's? Yeah. Uh... They did here kind of some exercise in the computer game, just went to sleep. Did you work again that next day? I don't remember. Don't remember. Do you remember who you were then working with on that occasion? No. No. I'm sorry. Are you okay? Yes. No, you don't want to stretch? I just do a lot of this business. Okay. That's okay. Hey, you're not bothering me. I just want to make sure that you're comfortable. Yeah. Okay. Okay. If I need something, I'll do it. Okay. That's right. I'll do your supervisor right about that point. Well, that would be on my... That was the head nurse. Yeah, she was always like... Whoever was on as the nurse was the charge nurse. Okay. So, I was the charge nurse. Mm-hmm. And at night... So, as the charge nurse... From three to 11, I was in charge of... Uh... One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight PSWs. Mm-hmm. And I was... Yeah. And then... There was two other wings. And so, at night, as the charge nurse, I was responsible to look after the, um... RPN on the other side. I'd be a researcher of the... There were four PSWs on that side, four PSWs on the other side. So, nine people. Mm-hmm. And then this is probably, of course, two of them are at night. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But she's who we all... She's who we all interacted to. Mm-hmm. She was... Her and the associate director of Brenda asked... I don't remember her last name. Mm-hmm. I'm sorry, I'm probably going to pass that. That's fine. I don't remember. So... As far as Mr. Self-Pods goes, then... Decides what you're feeling in your stomach. And besides that you thought that this was a purpose that you were given on... From your relationship for, after breaking up with your husband, right? Yeah. Thank you. You... You indicate that he wasn't a very nice man. No, he wasn't. Is that, of course, no? Um... I don't know. I wonder if that's a portion of how I chose him. Mm-hmm. And afterwards, I did feel a release and a release. Like a release of pressure. Okay. Because throughout this document, and as we go through it, a lot of these people, you kind of describe them as not very nice people. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So I'm not sure if that's a tendency or a pattern that we see as far as... Is that why you chose those people? Yeah. I'm not... It might be, but I also know I just felt like they were the ones. Right. I just feel on the side of the day were the ones. Before you injected the insulin to the Mr. Self-Pods... Was it a spur of the moment thing, had you thought about it then? When you reported for duty, after you were talking after noon? Um, I started thinking about it about six at night, I think. Okay. Okay. Okay. And do you remember who the pronouncing doctor would have been? No. How did that process work? That process, the way it worked, was person's hand was no right of fine. Nurse goes in with the stethoscope. This is for one minute. If there's no heartbeat, no lung sounds, nurse goes and calls the doctor on call. Um, there was also a sheet that we had to fill out if we thought it was a coroner's case. In this case, I don't believe we thought it was. And then, um, family is called. The doctor may wait to come in and pronounce it in the morning. Family can come in and visit the body at any time. Okay. So then the PSWs will get the body ready. Okay. So prior to the doctor announcing the morning, the family could come at any time? Yeah. Yeah. So the PSWs will just, you know, put on, you know, clean rutions and spin up the bed and start to work. So you said Mr. Silcox, he said we didn't think it was a quarter's case. Who's the one of that thing? Oh, I guess I'm even in the royal week. Okay. Okay. So would that be just a decision that you were trying to make? No, there's a form on the computer. And you go down through it and if it says, if you take off anything that says yes, you know to find the coroner. Okay. All right. But you would have clicked off those boxes yourself? Yes. Okay. So obviously, knowing that you had done this, Mr. Silcox, did you feel that you wouldn't click yes or that attention wouldn't be drawn to you? You know, I honestly can't remember if he lives a corner case, you know? Okay. He might have been. No, it ain't still anything. I would, even though I did this to these people, when I did their, let's see, it's phrased as, does anyone have a reason to believe that this step was not natural? Right. So yeah, I would click, I wouldn't click that much if I hadn't. Right. Yeah. All right. Okay. All right. And I just wanted to clarify that. Yeah. That's just a question. Okay. Anything else you can think about, from Mr. Silcox? No. Okay. Okay. Maurice, that's what you've done, as Maurice said last name. Good now. Is it good now? Okay. So tell me a little bit about Maurice. It says that this occurred in September or 4 October of 2018. Yeah. Sorry. And this was after I didn't care. Yeah. Okay. He was another woman who likes to grab breasts and assas. He was sometimes a patient of mine. See, at that time, I didn't have a fat floor that I worked on. I worked on all the different floors of the nurse because I was filling in. So, uh, he used one afternoon as her to listen and he did grab me. And again, I got that filling inside, but this is his time to go. So I gave him an overdose, but it's one after supper. And I believe she died the next day. And what was your shift that you remember? Three p.m. Yeah, two of them. He died when I was there. Okay. And he was known for, it says you're grabbing this ass breast and assas. Yeah. Okay. And do you remember who you would have been working with at that point? No. Okay. Do you remember where Maurice was within pressing care? Yeah, he was found in our claim. I think he was in the double room on the right hand side. Do you remember who his roommates were then at all? No, I don't. But I do remember that when he started going downhill after the insulin overdose, they moved into the highest care room right by the nurses desk. Okay. And at what point of the day do you think that you, sorry, thank you for the story, but just to confirm what time the day was when you did inject it in with him. And then yes, um, this afternoon is going to be 43530. Okay. And what was his reaction to receiving the insulin? Again, I was just kind of like, "Oh, okay." I just said, "The doctor wants you to have a pleasure in the show." That's what I usually say. And was he able to communicate with you very well? He was very well. To converse. Not totally, but he could say something. Okay. And did he question this vitamin shot at all? No. Um, and he passed away the next day. Yeah. Okay. So being that you weren't there when you passed away, you wouldn't have been the one checking the boxes. That's right. So, you know, by chance, what nurse would have been responsible for, uh, for her net? No, I don't. No, okay. Did you ever have any concerns that he didn't pass away while you were working and that, you know, the sister may have arrived? No, I know I didn't. I, well, yes, I did a little bit. I always wondered if they'd find the site where it gave the shot and something, you know, they'd be in their destination. I always wondered that. So, this is not, no. And even though it didn't pass through your mind, did you just hand it on about your duties? Yep. And do you remember what part of the law he would have been injected in? Uh, maybe somebody. Because that's when he didn't have a lot of body fat. Murray's doing that. He didn't know. I'm going to use a soft, cutaneous injection that goes in to the body fat. And you documented that he was a cancer victim? Yes. Okay. Do you remember what type of cancer he had? I think it was top straight. Yeah. Okay. And what did the outcome hold for his future as far as the cancer in his body? He was fat. How old do you think race was? 75, 76. All right. That's right. Do you remember that double room? Yeah. I believe it was a double room, yeah. Do you remember who you've been working with that day? Yeah. Sorry. That's okay. So far. It's a long time ago. I mean, obviously, it's a significant event in your life. But it's a whole time ago. Yeah. Sorry. I'm not concerned that you can't remember every question that I asked you. If you can do the best that you can, that's all I can ask for. Okay. Um, anything else you can remember of both Marie Sennel? Not really, no. No. Okay. Do you remember the corner of the case? There were people who loved them, but I remember. I don't know if he was a horseman. Who loved Marie's, who did you know that we covered this one? He had friends that were comfortable with him, that were like friends with him. I mean, I mean, that's a fault I remember. And how would that make you feel when Marie's passed away? Not that. And what happened from Marie's? I just, well, I wasn't there when it passed away. I just didn't work that day. Do you remember if you were the next day? I don't know when I found out that he died. It's not just me, I don't know if you were the next day. Okay. And it's getting a quiet out to finish it with. Yeah, no fun. Um, so after you found out you passed, you kind of read through the documents. Yeah. Do you remember seeing anything that I said, "Oh, no." No. This isn't a good thing for me either. No. Okay. So, I mean, if I had, I didn't have told you something. You could have, or? But not. Okay. Um, the next percent or less is Helen Madison. Yeah. Okay. So, if you go from September or October of '07. Yeah. And then Helen was 2011. Yeah. What happened between those years? I think, um, you'll see these. Those are some attempts. I have, um... In a way of knowing. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And we'll get to those. Yeah. Okay. So, how might I not remember about she's very quiet, very determined. Um, just seemed to be waiting to die. Mm-hmm. Again, I had that feeling that, you know, this is the one. Mm-hmm. And, um, I made a bit of a fuss about her that night because she was very lucid. Mm-hmm. And we talked about how much should I glue very high and ice cream? Okay. So, on my, on my break, I went to, uh, Omar. I got a small glue very high and some ice cream and brought it to her and she threw her four bites. Mm-hmm. And then that night I got over to the stir. 'Cause, like I said, I had that feeling that it was her time to go and... What do you mean by that? Do you think she was towards the end of her life at that point? You know that she was the person to go to. Okay. And that was in your mind, in your stomach. Yeah. Where was that feeling? In the past period. In the past period. Mm-hmm. After I did it, I got that laughter. Okay. When would you feel that laughter? Would you feel it right after you injected it or once the person passed away? Um, both. Yeah. Both. Okay. And how much did you hear that she wasn't a diabetic? No. Okay. Just out of curiosity, how much insulin would it take to kill someone that wasn't a diabetic her? I don't know. You don't know that? No. So, I didn't know that. You didn't know that as a nurse that miss them out. No. There is no said amount. Okay. And I'm just, I just simply just don't know that answer. There is no said amount. Okay. All right. So, different people would react differently to different amounts. Is that fair to say? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And, I think, would it obviously make a difference if they were diabetic or not a diabetic? Yeah. I believe she does the next day. And it said, I don't know. You're the doctor to player her to be a palliative and she died two days later. Yeah. Okay. And do you remember how much insulin that you had given out? 60. I don't know. And where would you come from? From the same pleasure I was given. Okay. Do you remember where Ellen was in pressing her? Yes. She was on the soap wing. And probably about four doors down from the nurse's station. And a double room on the blue right hand side of her face in the end. She was on the right hand side. You don't say that a lot of negative things go kind of here. Did you get along with her, okay? Did she ever do anything to harm you? No. Not sure. Very quiet. It was just back up. I feel like she's next with her time goal. And her help at that point was for diagnosis. She was... I couldn't tell you her diagnosis, just that she didn't get out of bed a lot. She had to be fed your food, fed your food. So she was... she was near her end of the medicine. How old do you think Ellen was when they found her? This day's already five or eight years ago. Do you remember what doctor would have been bringing you there when she passed away the two days later? I don't think so. You don't think so. So you wouldn't be what doctor would have been asking. No, I'm not sure. Once I gave the appointment, I was the mother of the therapist that died at this. And they totally didn't have anything to do with her. So if you issued an insulin injection to somebody, Helen, for instance, do you remember where Helen was injected? Probably her arm. Okay. So do you remember if she had a reaction at all? A reaction? You know, she confronted you in what you were doing at all, was she able to... She meant it out. Was she used to getting insulin or anything like that? I don't know if she was. But she wasn't combative, she couldn't confront you and ask you what you were doing. No. And you said once you gave them their insulin, did you? I just kind of... I tried to stay away from that. Sometimes I was very interested to see what was happening. I was just trying to stay away from that. Would you ever go back into their rooms while they were so alive to see how they were progressing through the... If they were... If they were... If they remained charged, yes, I had to. Even though you had attempted to take their lives. Yeah. And you would... What kind of symptoms would they show? Is it different for everyone? Well, usually they'd get very diaphoretic, red. They could lose consciousness, they'd shake. Some people, one person who had seizure, think it was just one person. Two people stroked right out. Right after receiving the... Not right after, but they stroked at it. Over time. And then actually three people, because they really didn't aim the stroked at it as well. And it's still hot. It's still hot. Okay. Okay. Okay. November 2011. Mm-hmm. I mean, are you... is your limited use on it? Yeah. I have your call on the last thing that you've announced. Yeah. And this was that present here? Yeah. Okay. And you said that she wasn't a diabetic, but she had dementia. That's right. But she could talk to me and she had a lot of marriages. Yeah. She was feisty. More true? Yeah. Didn't hurt the nurse in the rent. I said, "This area is open in feisty." And one night she said, "You know, I'm going to die tonight." Marriage about? Yeah. And I said, "Oh." And she said, "Yeah, why don't you get me into the... why don't you get me into the deathbeds so I can die?" And I said, "Are you sure?" And she said, "Yeah, but look at that. I'm going to die." So I said, "Okay." And I went to the other nurse that was working with me. And she said, "Oh, okay. Well, let's put her inside this care room." That's what she was on. So we did. And then I thought, "Well, she must be the next one." Mm-hmm. I had a feeling if I had to make sure she wants to be the next one. Because she was saying she was going to die, but there's no time she was going to die. So I gave her another dose of influence. And she became high enough and she died. I think she's going to have a couple of days. Okay. Yeah, I said she died and then I stopped and she was going to get me into the road here, but... Um... Oh. Oh, perfect. Sure. There you go. Which one has the vodka in it? No answer from that. Um... So... So... Um... Where would that relation to where she was? She was down in the South Wing. A couple of rooms down from the... down from the nurse's office. And she... Yeah, we did put her in the pie. Okay. And would that be a decision that you would make her someone else would have to make... Together we made it. Oh. But as a supervisor, we're going to have to say... No. Go ahead and... No, we have... We had enough time, maybe, that if we thought someone was... Probably if we could call the doctor, tell them what was going on. We would move the person to the pie of bed and get orders for palliative care. And do you remember how much insulin they would have given Mary? I think she may have been the first person that I gave a long-acting and short-acting two together. I think... I can just... Well, it's probably the actual obvious... In the title of the "The actual drug itself, long-acting, short-acting." What was the biggest difference between the two? One drops your blood through the right of ways. The other starts working through your body and grabbing you gradually. Over a long period of time, it just keeps dropping you. Okay. And what would the combination of those two do together? Uh... Do you know where... I didn't know for sure, but I figured it would be much stronger than just a short-acting. Right. Okay. Which makes sense? Yeah. I think... You wouldn't have worn that with, but... Um... Do you remember where you injected Mary? Uh... Probably her arm. No. And I told her... I told her it was her pain. And you know, she was actually in the lower room in the double room. Well, we had moved her from the double room to the pie of care room. Right, kid or partner from the nurse's office. So where did you inject her in the palliative order? In the pie of bed. Okay. And she... She has vocalized to you that she thought that she was gonna die that night. Yeah. So I thought, "Okay, she must be the one when I gave you this one." I got that feeling inside in the laughter. Yeah. And she ever said something to you before about wanting to die? Not like that. No. She was like, "I want to die. I wanted to die. I wanted to die tonight." Was being dead and then it died. And that was new to you. Yeah. Do you remember what shift you were looking? Afternoon, 3-2-11. Okay. You remember about what time do you think you would have moved her into the palliative bed? Uh-huh. Might have been after supper until 7. And you remember dying to harm you? No. I'll tell you anyway. No. Not too fun. Okay. She was... She was funky and it was spoken. Yeah. Okay. Do you remember being present when she died? Yeah. I don't think I was. All right. And therefore probably wouldn't be a part of checking the boxes. No. No, I didn't know about this for her. Who was here to see Mary in a regular basis looking to see Mary? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You know if she had a family. Um. You mean you had a son? But I don't know. All right. And then Mary being... will refer to her as your fourth victim. Yeah. And then the fourth person might think that you were successful in... in these little injections. How did your emotions start to feel as if you hadn't kept continuing? I kept having a lot of guilt. A lot of guilt. Um. Mary... well as you'll see after Mary was modest and after modest there was a period of two years where I didn't do it. Three years for her to do it. What was one of your life at that point? I was trying very, very hard to get close to God to make sure that this wasn't him and to just live my life. We survived all of those church and not do that because I didn't want to do that anymore. So I tried very hard. I'm still using a little bit. No harder more. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. What was your greatest choice? Right. I shouldn't say it like that, but I think it sounded like it. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Top of Ryan, pop down some water. Yeah. Ryan, water. I mean, uh, typically how much would you drink in a week? At least. Probably buddy, isn't I? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, shots of Ryan or... Ah, drink. I don't know. I'll run into shots. Okay. I'm just gonna go by shots. I don't know if there's a drink, so, like, three times nine. Twenty-seven. Okay. So, like, you'd be drinking triples? Yeah. All right. All right. How would that make you feel in combination with a hydro-martian? I never did it with a hydro-martian. No. There's another one in the other. There's another one in the other. Okay. So, the zoos is marching. The first one I didn't have. A hydro-martian. Mm-hmm. And if I was going out... But I didn't call it with people. I always thought I would say by myself, and just... I'd just scratch them on tickets and just glue them. Yeah. I would drink them and do my specialist. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. Um... ...is significant and disturbing as this may be the people that are gonna hear this and learn about this. Obviously, there's a lot of... ...families that rent a contact. Yeah. And speak to... ...although this wasn't... ...and I hate to classify it into different areas. But these weren't necessarily violent deaths. Like, how do you think these people, like, peacefully, did they struggle at all? Um... All the people you talked about so far got peacefully, have they? Mm-hmm. And I am sorry. I'm sorry for what Tim is willing to do at the time. And I'm extremely sorry for what they're going to do at the time. It's awful. If you were to say something to the moment, you would say something. Well, can you say something? That would matter. Um... I'm sorry, isn't enough. I should have gotten help sooner. Um... I took something from you that was precious and was taken too soon. Um... I honestly believe that the time that God wanted me to do it. But I know now that's not true. And, uh... If I could take it back, if I could get help sooner, I would have... ...next door. I'm like I said. I admire you forever. One year, two years, ten years, wherever it took, great to finally get help. That's a big step. Thank you. Right? I mean, you could have been in this situation and taken this to your grave. Yes. And who would have known? Right? I have to go and hope to do it in a lawyer. What's that? Take it to my grave, I'm not telling you that. So you can find it in a lawyer as well, isn't it? A long time ago, yeah. Was it after all these people? It was in 2014, before I... Before you went to Welland? Yes, the Welland. Yes, the rehab, so it's time. So you spoke to a lawyer? I spoke to a lawyer now. She was the one who told me to get help. Um, I need to talk to others. No. Just for the record, and so it's documented, I have sixes, twenty-sixes. Let's take a break, okay? Yes, thank you. Cool. I'm going to go where you're going. Okay. Okay. All set. Do you need any health cells? No. Are you sure? No. I have caramel. Perfect. Um, just for the record, yeah? I have sixes, but it's a D, and I will just resume things, okay? Okay. Okay? Yep. Okay. Okay, I'm going to carry on. Yeah, that's good. So glad it. So it takes us to November 2011 at Crescent Care. Um, it says your Gladys was a type II diabetic, um, and had dementia. So your dementia? Did she? Yeah. How old do you think Gladys was? Ninety-two. Ninety-two. Okay. And where was Gladys within that Crescent Care? East wings, um, three doors down from the main desk, in a double room. Do you remember who remakes it on? Yeah. No. Um, and I, obviously these are repetitive questions and you might remember some of the remakes through, uh, has it gone on your studs? Why? Just keep asking the same questions. Um, tell me a little bit about Gladys. What did you feel? Was she like me? Um, well, when I first started caring for her, she was walking and talking to me. She had quite the spirit. Um, she was... She was punched a man. Well, because, uh, she goes with her as a nurse, so it's probably one of the gentlemen. No, you can't push your wife around. You have to come with us. And she turned around and said, "You can't treat a woman like that." Boom! And hit the man. And hit the man. So then we're all in a state of trying to keep them from fighting with each other, trying to keep them from hurting us. Right? Yeah. She was very funky. But she went down real fast. Did she? It actually, um, she was just, um, dementia. Didn't take her felt well, didn't eat well, very stubborn woman. And, uh, there's always one even in that. Just got that red-surging feeling that she was going to be the one. Mm-hmm. And, um, gave her insulin overdose. Did you ever get that feeling outside of work? No, it's never. No. Did you ever get that feeling going to work knowing that something wasn't going to happen at shift? No. No, it's happened to work. So, if I were to use a phrase for the moment, would it be something to use to have that feeling come on? Yeah, I guess you could feel that for a moment. But it was, it used to start happening, you know, focused on one patient. And then, I would feel that red-surging, which is what maybe you think it was. Which I'm so embarrassed. Well, like I said, I'm not here to judge you. Right? I know. Right, I know. Um, you said you explained that it was difficult for the towards the end of giving her her pills. Um, do you remember where you were working with the shift when you injected gloves? I believe I was working, because I was working night or days. Okay. Because I know it was close to the end of my shift. Okay. Now you did it, and the person who came on next shift, I think was nice. So, the person who came on next shift, kept her all over and started to call the doctor and had her make hiatus. And they're on a pain regimen. Do you remember how much insulin you gave her? No, I know. Do you remember if it was longer, shorter? Yes. I probably, at that point, I think was giving her the buddy in there. Okay. So, once Mary was the first person that you gave her along in the short act? Yeah. And then, following that, it was everyone from their board. Um, and that was, again, a pressing character. Yeah. Was that influence taken from the same location as you always would? Yeah. Yeah. Is there cameras in the bedroom? No. No. Nothing at all? No. No. Okay. So, you could access whatever you like? Well, not whatever you like, but yeah. Because they didn't even keep track of it. Um, yes. Um, yeah. Yes. One that needs to get value. Yeah. Like, is it actual volume? Um, yeah. It's fairly easy to take notes from there. Um. Um. And we'll be intense. I was going to ask the question, but we didn't have it done really. Um, you know how long it took for Gladys to die? Uh, I believe she died the next afternoon or that afternoon. And you know, if you're a present for that? No, it was not. So, therefore, we've been a part of that. The process of, of the pronouncing and checking the boxes. No. It seems like it takes longer than it does. If you're around, if you know what I mean. I do. Yeah. Um. I'm sorry that you don't know. Thank you. Um, as far as Gladys goes, do you remember if you worked the next day to learn about it? Um, I think it worked two days later. I think it worked the day after her death, whenever that was. Okay. What was played through your mind on, on your days where you inject, so Gladys for instance, you inject her, you work nice and tense here, so 11-0-7. You did this at five o'clock. You go home and carry it on. If you have one, two, three days off, whatever, then the days was. What was playing through your mind on what you thought were you thinking? When was Gladys going to die? I was wondering if she had died. I was wondering, you know, if this would be the time I would get caught. You know, what was I going? Every time, every time I walked in after somebody who passed away, I always wondered if this was the day I'm going to get caught. What kind of consequences do you think you're going to face if that's that word? I think I'm in 2011. As far as in 2011, and having that feeling, when did those feelings start to say, in your mind, like, "Oh, this is the time I'm going to get caught?" Yeah, probably every time. And Gladys, did you think did she have a reaction when you injected her? She fought a little bit. Did she? Yeah. What do you mean by that? She struggled around, so I hadn't fought on her life, but I could do where she couldn't reach me and pinch me. Would that be something difficult if you were getting her medication? Pinch, scratch, get a look at her mouth. Is that common mutations? Yeah. And, like, even the PSW's who hadn't changed her product, sometimes she'd fight them and scratch them and pinch them and twist their hair. Yeah. Did you think that played into any part of your actions with Gladys? Particularly with Gladys? I don't know. I think some of the things, you know, the stubbornness of stuff, and, yeah, just kind of okay your next one to go. Again, there was always that red surgeon that I identified as God telling me, "This is water." Yeah, this is how you worked for me. Did you ever try to fight that feeling? Later on, as you'll see. But when you got that feeling in your chest and stomach, would you directly go to get the insulin? Pretty much. Since I had time with the rest of my job. How many patients would you be caring for during, on one shift? 32. You'd be responsible for if you're all 32. Yeah. So each nurse would have 32? Nurse, are registered corrects? Okay. So that's the busy day? Mm-hmm. And I know we talked about it earlier. Again, just to revisit that, do you think that's something that played into this? I think so. The stresses of the job. Oh, yes. I definitely did. Well, you have a lot going on in your life. Yeah. I definitely did. Did you ever go to work intoxicated by alcohol or drugs at all? Um, no. Did you ever use that work? Yeah. Nitrogen works? Yeah. Awesome. Probably once or twice a week. Yeah. Yeah. And when you were at press and care, where would you have done nitrogen? Oh, there's a number of ways you can get lost. Right. You can sign off that somebody got there, sign off that somebody wanted to PRM. And take it instead. Okay. You can take them to the regular medication. And if they're not able to identify it, take it instead. Okay. You can take the regular medication that's in capsule. And if they are able to identify it, open the capsule, take the stuff out. Put the capsule back together again. Give them the instance of the capsule. Take it yourself. And how would you did please just add the moisture? I just followed it. I never shot it. Okay. And do you remember how long she gave blood? Of the insulin? Mm-hmm. I think I gave her 80/60. I think. And her reaction after trying to pinch and struggle a little bit with you. She relaxed. And then by the time the next nurse came on, she was red. And she was sweating. She was incoherent. Her blood saw it. Her vital sign was rolled down. And how do you know about that? Because I was just leaving when the nurse came on and she saw these candidates and said something's going on in the closet. She said, "Come with me after the check on glass." And then he asked the actual optimum sign up to the tithes of PRM. Okay. I remember when I go over the whole time. She was going to say something I did. Okay. Was she still able to communicate at that point? No. Do you remember when her stylized that? Karen? I don't remember. If I sit for a minute, if I sat for a minute, I could probably remember. Well, there comes you. I'll just be one of those things that pops in your head in a few moments, right? Yeah. Ravage. Karen Ravage? Yeah. She's still there? Yeah. As far as I know. Okay. Mrs. Helen Young. So this is where you have a good gap again. Yeah. 11 to 2013 with your successful interactions. But there wasn't even any attempt yet. No. In November 2011, I came home from a crew of the Caribbean. And I was feeling guilty. I was feeling damned. I was feeling confused. I was feeling like I just didn't want to do it anymore. I was feeling like if I could somehow connect with God strongly enough, but I wouldn't do it anymore. So I spent a lot of time reading my Bible. I'm praying and deciding I just wasn't going to do it anymore. So I had the odd urge to do it. But I resisted by going to church reading my Bible and praying and telling God I didn't believe him that he wanted me to do it anymore. What church read when I did that one? Oh, okay. Yeah. So as far as fighting off that, would you still have that feeling like that burning feeling? Sometimes. But I did a lot of praying about it and I just did a lot of praying reading my Bible and getting very involved in my faith, getting very involved in my church. Right. And obviously with what you've told us so far that it helped or you've documented. Is there anything else that we need to be aware of that happened between those times? No. No. I didn't tell anybody here anything like that. Except for the pastor. That was, I told him after Helen. Okay. He was after Helen. I apologize for that. Okay. And you found all of the positives for that. There we go. So that was after Helen. Right. Okay. So Helen was at Creising Carrot. Where was Helen's room? She was on a slide. I had been transferred to a side, which is the new unit. Like, well, relatively now. I was on the first floor. I was the church nurse for the first floor. And she was in the room closest to the nervous station. So where was he? Is that the link for me going to Creising Carrot? To be close to a fight or closer to the north side. Oh. There's your time and time. There is a wall of your time and time to the rest of your time. There's the round point. There's the round point. There's the swing. And then the end of the hallway of the swing is, you know, one unit to the building right on top of each other. And what was the purpose of that area of Creising Carrot? It was all single ones. Okay. So Helen was in her own room? No, it was in her own room. Yeah. It was all single rooms in the area. All right. And Helen was a type 2 diabetic with dementia? Yeah. Okay. She saw me a little bit more. Helen was miserable. She frequently yelled at one's guy. She just was not happy with her life. She was real around in her wheelchair saying help me nurse, help me nurse, help me nurse, help me nurse. And when you went to help her, what do you want to help with? My thanks. Get away with me. Go away. Help me nurse, help me nurse. Didn't want to eat. Didn't want to drain. Very difficult to do less. Um, constantly you would yell at. And everyone said, "What do you want to help with?" "I want to die. Why can't you help me die? I want to die." And one night it was like something snapped inside. And that red search came back and I thought, "Okay, you will die." So, uh, I gave her a shot. I came out to her and said, "This is through your pain." And I gave her a shot of one acting, her short acting. And she started to settle down. And then later on we put her into bed and I gave her more off more of the insulin. I think it was one acting. She had a seizure. She turned red. She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." She said, "I want to die." PSW's nurses focus on the meds and treatment. PSW's focus on, like, they were busy. They were busy washing her. They were busy changing her. They were busy dealing with the fact that she was having diarrhea. They were not doing the part of the job I was doing. So, they never would have noticed. Where's my burger? So, they never would have noticed me not taking the budget. 'Cause I took her in, like, a danger call. I did everything else. So, they wouldn't have noticed that I didn't do that. They would have saved us if everything else. Okay. Okay. You just... I just took the budget. Oh, that's really good. 5.6. She's good. Which is a number that you're buying to do with hours and nothing concerning 5.6, or whatever you say. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Do you remember what shifts you were working on this point? Afternoons. I was straight through to 11, but at that point I was straight through to 11 on that award. Okay. So, it started just a little bit before now. Do that? Okay. And that's what it's going to do. Are we going to do set? Yeah. Do you remember what it means? I don't know if she's going to die. I was two days after. Okay. I don't know if you remember. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. I don't know if she's going to die. So being that it's been a few years then when you injected Mrs. Young and you were successful in causing your death, how did it make you feel after those few years? The detergism is feeling to come back. I felt horrible. I felt angry at myself. I felt like I had sailed myself. I felt like God had sailed me. There you can take your practice in the truth. I continue to go to the church, yeah. Do you believe under as much as... I did, but I was getting very confused. So the soon after that that I went to the pastor and told him what had happened. And he prayed over me. And because he said that was lost and he would have fought up with me and his wife was there too. And he prayed over me. And it said to me that this was God's grace. But if you ever do this again, we will have to turn you into the place. And what are these things? What were their conversations? Now, in their house, they're good to me. And I kept going to their church. And how detailed would you look at the conversation? I told him that I was taking people's lives. What were you specific to the name of this? No. And you were doing this? No. How many people? I don't know if I told him how many people did, but I was doing it and I wanted to stop. And his response was to pray for you and pray for you. It couldn't put his hands on me. It had to put his hands on me, right? What religion did that your friends have? Oh. Okay. Yeah. All right. Um. Did Helen have any family that you were following? Yes. She had a niece that loved her very much and was there at least twice a week. Did you ever converse with her? Before she died, yeah. Yeah. How old was she? I was saying in the late 50s, early 60s. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. Did you speak to her following her? The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. The niece. Oh, guilt, shame, anger, like I had betrayed her. Not that I was betrayed, but betrayed her. And did you just play the emotion I was going through? Um, I just, you know, gave her house back and said I was so sorry. But on that point of time, I was getting very confused about what was this God and what was it not? And when you resume doing this, did you have any besides the religious feelings that you were having? Did you have any other personal feelings in your mind as far as knowing the difference between right and wrong? Yes, yes, I didn't have the difference between right and wrong, but I thought this was something that God or whoever wanted me to do it. I started in that last one to do it, but it was God. When you resume doing it? Yes. Was anyone working with you on that day that you can recall? Um, the PSW, but I don't remember any. How many, what have there been? Three. There would have been students, too, I think. But I can't remember. And there would have been 32 patients in that way as well. Yes. So you're responsible for it? Okay. Um, March of 2014. This is Maria's Victory Hand Press. Yeah. I'm going to go to Maria. Mm-hmm. Maria was a handful. Um, she would attack other patients, she would pull their hair, she would hit them, she would pinch them. Eventually, um, it would decide that she needed a one-on-one staff. So sometimes they would vote an extra PSW to be with her. Sometimes someone will come from the outside to be with her. But, one more more more than available. It was the rule of the judge nurse. And that was not, sorry. That's just absolutely not. So, um, she just got harder and harder to look after. And one night when I had to look after her, I thought this idea, I thought, you know, I'm starting to get the feeling of that search again. And I thought, no, I don't want her to die. But if I could somehow give her enough of a dose to give her a coma. Or something to change your frame with. Maybe make her less, you know, maybe make her less mobile, hard to handle, but the hand of the heart is enough for her. So, uh, yeah, if I was a judge. And was that at the same point? Yes. She was right across. She had gone into the room that Helen had been in. And she was right across the registration. And as well, I hope to stay a single room at that point. Yeah. That night she stroked. And through your stroke, she went to the hospital. And when she came back, she was there for a few- there had been her for a few days. And she died. So before she came back from the hospital, I was fired from her craft and care. For medication errors, that had nothing to do with this. When you went- when you got transferred into this, hey, wait, can you still get the medication the same way? Yeah, 'cause there's been some churches there. Okay. Okay. And so, sorry, Marie and Mrs. Pickering. Was transferred from breast care to the hospital? And then the doctor died. Today, I think. But they knew that she was totally vegetative, which came back. She was basically coming back to the hospital. Yeah. Was she supposed to have a positive care in her children? No, because she had her on the room. But that is care for most of her people who didn't have her on the room. So that family could go and be with them. And not, you know, not disturb the other residents, and not be disturbed by the other residents. Right. Do you remember how much I was looking at you to figure out? It was a lot. It was a lot. I'm going to say, 80 long, acting in the 50 short, acting in the 21st. That was a lot of excellent. It worked so much to her. I wasn't sure if she would die or not. And I really wanted to make sure that she, uh, that her mind would change a bit when she came back to her. So the incident caused her... That's true. That's true. And then the reason to travel to the hospital? Yeah. Um, do you remember any reaction from her when you were adjusting that? No, not at all. Do you remember how I'll take it a little? Sorry. I apologize for what part of the body is going to go through. Correct. Left, right. Um, left. Left. Left. And no reaction. Oh, yeah. The first time I gave it to her, she said, "Hey, what was that for?" And I said, "That's your right in the reaction." Which is, like I said, if you typically tell people... Yeah. Okay. How long may be between when you gave her the next dose? Probably an hour and a half, two hours. And that was about what time did you say it's running? Oh, I don't know. You were still looking at how you came back. Yeah, either night and night. Okay. Okay. I think I've said, "I shared that I gave it to her." You gave her either school or not in this one. Yeah. She had two friends that came inside her lunch. She had a boyfriend that was on the stairs. Okay. How old was she? 82. No, it was her boyfriend. Oh, I have no idea. No. No. But you would call her either. You would call her either. Yeah. Was there any restrictions on visiting practice at all? Certain hours. Um, basically no. If they wanted to come late at night, they had to let us know. We could let them in and out. And that was more for tired people. But no, there was no real restrictions. I mean, there was the odd patient who had a restriction. They can't leave the building with this person or they can't leave the building with that person. So she was off call the police, that person. Do you remember if you were a president when she passed away? I was not. I'd already been a fighter. Okay, so sorry. Between the time that she... When were you fired? Um, late March or late from... Whether or not she was at the hospital? Part of she comes back. She had to come back and then have a second. And then she left for a few more days. Yeah. You were fired at any time. Yeah. For something that had nothing to do with her. And my timeline may be wrong. It may have been February. Because I know that... Nobody in the middle of April, I was working again. And, um, my department was staying home. Get out the moment. Yeah. Are those the causes you're firing on for? I had a few medication errors. And, strangely enough, not on her wrist. One of our residents was missing her long-acting insulin that she got at supper. And it was coming from pharmacy, but I wanted to make sure she got her insulin. So I took insulin from another person who I fought was the same insulin. But it was short-acting. And it received her because she was an insulin. And she was okay. We helped her. And she was alright. But when they figured it out, I was fired because I had other medication errors as well. No. No. Different things. I draw. Ah. There's a lot of different stuff. And what do you think that was our result of? What? Met error? Mm-hmm. The workload. Yeah. Was it anything to do with... were you still using it at this point? Um, you know what? I never made it work here. I never made it in that area when I was using it work. Never. Just had your focus. Yeah. Did you ever commit any errors in death in your region? No. Um. So no met errors. No deaths. When I was using it. It was all the feeling in your chest and your stomach. Yeah. And you were searching. Yeah. And then the laughter afterwards. Which was really... it was like a cackling from the head of health. Did that make sense? Did the carefully continue? Um. Wasn't directed with insulin. Um. After that two-year break? Yes. Yes. Thank you. So then you... did you work anywhere between press and care in metalwork? No. Did you go directly from one to the other? Pretty much. I had a much. And those medication errors need to be documented in a reference to her. No. Were you aware of anything like that in the middle part of the view where the reason why you were... Um. The person that hired me at metalpark. She called me. She had found my resume somewhere. So I never applied to metalpark. But she had found my resume somewhere. And she called me 'cause I needed a nurse. So when we did our interview. Me was Heather. I forget about him. He's not there anymore. Um. When we did our interview. She said to me, "Why did you leave?" And I told her. I said, "I'll be absolutely honest with you." I was fired for men errors. And she said, "Well, tell me about them when I did." And she said, "Okay, well, I believe in second chances." So, you're hired. Full-time afternoons and it was a one-year contract. Okay. And how long have you unemployed for them? A month. Just a month. Yeah. Right. So would you communicate back and forth in this? So what's on her time? I still lived in what's on her time. I still lived in what's on her time. I still lived in what's on her time. I still lived in what's on her time. I still lived in what's on her time. Well, the hours from the street up there. Either 630, no, sorry. Either 230 to 1030 or 3D11. I'm not sure which it was. 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But, again, I feel terrible for the people that are going to find out in the days, and we just kind of about what actually happens to their loved ones, right? I do. I feel horrible. If there was ever anything I could do, because that nobody did this again, I'd do it. Just a few other things to cover often. The thing that some of these people would do to you, is hitting the tension, the grabbing of your breasts. Would you ever report that? Yeah, but yeah, it was always your portion of the character's on. And that's talking about other thirds? Yeah. Is there any, there's obviously never, obviously, but was there any charges or criminal matters that you love any of this at all? No, no. That's part of working in the nursing home. That's just what they do. My baby, your fault there. And I said that. This is probably back. Yeah. Okay. Do you think that I just played a role in your action? No. No. More reading your ex. What was Martin Fussman? Think about what? Four years ago when she wanted money to move back? We were only together for a year. Okay. So she came here from... Yeah. And brought her to the kids. Mm-hmm. The teenagers? Yeah. I think you mentioned that you were a trauma student. Yeah. We got involved with that. We'll see. Yes. We'll see. Mm-hmm. When they were here? Mm-hmm. Have you? This document seems prepared best. And I know that you have stated the reason why. I used to call it the breaking point of why you stopped. Yeah. Was it the possibility that you were in half of you dealing with kids? Yes, I'm sorry. Right. Yeah. Is there anyone else within your career path that isn't listed on these four documents? Or are these four pieces of paper that you'd be responsible for the deaths? No. Absolutely not. I think we were to tell you that we've come across some fairly significant or suspicious deaths at other nursing homes. Where is him? Right. What would you say tonight? I think it was me. So there's no one else involved? No. That was felt like during your actions. Yeah. Okay. Just repeat to me again if you let you go to school. Just two of these times. Okay. The very first person I ever just spoke to was another girlfriend at the time. Her name was... That was after a couple of people. And she told me not to do it again. She was going to turn me into the police. Oh. I couldn't tell you. 2011 when I decided to stop killing my friend. I told her what I'd been doing and then I stopped. And then I told my pastor. And then after that I told the in 2014 after I talked away, I went on a holiday and that's what I really decided that the test stopped. So I told a friend to me to succeed. Then when I came back I got a vaginal lawyer. And then while I was in the Toronto, I was in Cambridge. Well, I told my friend, before everyone, I told my cousin. I told my friend. And I told my friend. And then while I was in Cambridge, I told someone who I thought was a friend. They turned around and called the police to make sure that he didn't really been dealt with. And I understand that he thought he was doing the right thing. I understand that, but he said, "Oh, I won't tell anybody." And I had used him as a researcher to support and he turned around. When I was... When I'd already... Yeah, I'd already shared it. Why would you call the police? So why do you think that none of these people confronted police? Maybe they didn't believe me. I don't know. Maybe they just saw... Maybe they saw a gym or something and the patient wanted us. You know? And as far as believing we were these close people, do you think you've shared other deep, dark secrets that maybe we're trying to defend? I would say these secrets, but lots of stuff, yeah. Because this is a pretty serious thing. Yes, it is. Not normal. I'm telling you. It's a very serious thing. I'm telling these people, and I just find it hard to believe that no one would come forward until we're just five, six people down the road, right? Yeah. Of having knowledge of it. Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. And everything that you're telling us is the truth. Yes, it is. There's nothing that's been fabricated. No, sir. Mm. And you're sure about it. I know. What would we find at your home? Would you ever document to do this? Um, once in a while I do a journal on it. There might be some in my home, but I don't know. I think I do that. If it's around, it would be in a viral binder. And I do my desk, my other desk, or my, uh, full, my, um, what you want to call it. Come on. You put a file, a file, a folder, a new, a file, a journal. Yes, I like having to thank them. Yeah, no. Did you look alone? Yes, I did. Yes. Yes. Did you want someone to come with me and look? Well, to be honest with you, as part of the investigation, there's already been a search for an execute at your house. Oh, so the search has already been the first time. I don't know what stage it's at because we've been conversing for quite some time. Okay. Probably post-games completed. Okay. But I'm just asking, because you've been so cooperative. Yeah. And again, I do appreciate that. Yeah. I really do. Um, it just makes things a lot easier, right? Um, if I, you know, where a certain thing might be, any city might have thrown them out. Yeah. Okay. I might not have had them. And then at the very end of my coffee table, there's a box and it's got pictures and a photo album in it. There might be something in there too. What would you? Uh, I'll try to queue, um, very writing path. Okay. What does the thing, what are those things that you document? Just what I've done and how bad I felt when it happened. Can I figure out what was going on in my head? Searching for answers. Yeah. But you're not sure if you've read those or not yet? I thought I'd not read them all, but I don't know if I did for sure. Okay. Would there be anything else as far as computer documents or anything like that? Um, there would be, I accessed a computer support group for, for my personal analysis starter. Um, it would be on that, it would be on that website. It was just an open forum that you could join. Yeah. And post comments. Yeah. What website was that? I couldn't tell you, but I could find it on my computer. Okay. And would that be something that you could go on to share with us? Of course. You could just go time to, you might go talk to us and computer websites and whatnot. Yeah. What's your tattoo mean? Pause for the dream. What, then? I have hopes for the future and dreams of the future. Yeah. What are your hopes of the future now? After you've only lost your hours. But somehow, some way I can help somebody. It's got to be somebody who lives wherever I go, jail, penitentiary. It's got to be somebody I can help. Maybe somebody who can't read. Maybe somebody who can't write. Maybe somebody who's done more to me and feels like it'll never be forgiven. Maybe somebody who's done less than me feels like it'll never be true. There's got to be something that can come from this. Maybe somebody can study me and come off with answers and new medications to the system and that's again. That's metal to me right now. Is there anything worse than taking so long to play? Uh, yes. Child molestation. Absolutely. Did you feel that you make harder children than me and yourself? I was afraid that I might get that feeling of wanting to give a mental or adult system, but just because they were dead by bad. And I just, I can't. And there was no way. I was absolutely not open to that. Is there anything you can think of right now? No. No. I think it's pretty good. I think you do. What happens now? I'm just going to get you to sit tight and we'll arrange to do the next step. Oh, okay. I might not be going home. I will get back to you with that. We discussed your original documents in your backpack. If I were to prepare a form, which is a consensus search or a content form, to provide us with those arguments or that would be something that you'd be learning this time? Yeah, sure. Okay. It's a stuff in there too that I did with the nurse. In your backpack? Yeah. Okay. We'll kind of think about it. Like, it's called a chain link thing. So you start at what you did and you go backwards to how you're feeling and what you just had different and all that. Do you feel that you're tying that candy truck in? Yeah. Do you receive the care that you want to use? Yeah. And an increase in medication which I feel I need to use. Yeah. All right. Sit tight for a few moments. Okay. I'll be about to sit here with you, okay. Again, I'm having a phone. Okay. 739. Okay. Yeah. And let me get back with some answers or one. Okay. I'd like to go home. Okay. Sit tight for a few moments. I'd like to go home. Okay. All right. Thank you Beth. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Can someone help you doctor? Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. I'm sorry Beth. Okay. You can imagine that. Thank you. This nature takes some time. Yeah. I understand. Appreciate your patience with me. I understand. Thank you. So I have 802. I just had to go. We're in the home stretcher. Okay. Okay. And I'm going to explain to you everything that's going to go on. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So first off, a few things that, and you remember the gentleman who transported us back from Toronto and also Karen or my partners that they've just been monitoring. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So first off, and I said there, there had been a search warrant. You guys are residents. Okay. There were some paperwork with regards to a Remington. Got shot down on some sort. Oh. But what were that before? Look at it. I like gun. Okay. Yeah. All right. Do you have any known? No, no. I used it. I had a 22. Yeah. I had a Remington version. Not that I had no house. Okay. But my husband had a gun that his dad gave me. Okay. That we would shoot with. So I could stay at the gun clubs and shoots. And when we woke up, I did the paperwork to be the factual. That might be what they found. Okay. There's no partners in here. No, sir. No. There will be. Okay. All right. Okay. I do. You know what? I have to go along. Yeah. It's not like your name or couple numbers. No. Anything like that. No. I have to stand down to turn the computer to remember. Okay. And even if I'm portrait. Okay. Um. These are a bunch of random questions. This is all from the other. Um. The influence they use to shore rafting along acting. Does their act will brand or make up the influence that you use? Um. Might have been not even. Okay. Might have been the novel. Um. Can't remember the other one. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. I know that you mentioned they'd send you to certain locations in certain homes. Yeah. What we're not. There's tougher places. There's more. There is more than. There is. Tell her place. Oh. Um. That was very first. Then there was. Um. Ah. Yeah. I don't know what here. Tell her place. Ford over and over. What it was called. Um. I did one PSW shift to the place in the New Hamburg. But I couldn't tell you the name of it. Um. Also, I worked at. Um. Ah. Ah. Tougher place. And over clubs are both owned by the same people. And they have another nursing home in Grandford. Um. But I can't remember the name of it. Uh. And then. And then Park Lane Terrace. And struck in uh. Terrace. And Hardy Terrace. I think it's outside of Terrace. Oh. And um. What was the other one called? Um. Oh. Oh. Oh. It's way far as town. It's like marin house drags from here. My dad grew up in that area. Um. Like it's in the Jarvis area. A Jarvis and co-area. It's all. I didn't tell you. I just remember in shop for the night. That's all right. Yeah. Is my house going to be a mess when I get back? No. Oh. Okay. Okay. That's all I do see on TV. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Your Facebook page or when they were the commenter. I don't know where it is in your timeline about a pediatric nurse. Do you know who the pediatric nurse is? Oh no. It's going to be more convenient. What's the kid? That's what that refers to within yourself. Yeah. Okay. Good. All right. Um. And just go back through the names of people here. So we've got. That you've evolved to see right? Yeah. That's your cousin? That's my cousin. Okay. I'm not doing it. I lost it. Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. That's fine. Um. The lawyer. Does me and I cannot remember. I'll turn it over if you know. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Right. Yeah. She was a friend to the nurse. I told her after I stopped the first time. And she felt being my friend. And. Where does she work? She doesn't. She's not an OTST. Did she work in a nursing home? No. There's a room. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We're going to wrap things up, but here's what's going to happen. Okay. And part of this is going to be up to you. What are your plans going forward from here? Going forward from here? I want to go home. I want to have a good night's sleep. Okay. I want to spend Thanksgiving with my family. Okay. And they want to be available to the police that intend to meet me. And if I have to come back for a trial, I have to come back for a trial. Okay. I have no plans of leaving. Um. I can turn to my car if you wanted to. Okay. Are your parents? Are you close with your parents? What kind of relationship do you have with them? Very, very close. I have to tell them tonight what's happened. What's happened? Yes. I know that, um, they know that I've been in, they know that I've been in the hospital. But I just opened the list for treatment. But yeah. Okay. My plan is to go and talk to them one on one leg face to face and tell them more. Do you think the reaction is going to be? They're going to be devastated. What do you think? I'm going to plan on saying stay in the night there. Okay. So they have access to me. Okay. What type of support do you think you're going to get from there? Eventually. All support I need. I also plan to go to my AA groups. I have planned on doing 90 meetings to 90 dates. And, uh, just keep up with, like, I plan to, uh, see, one thing that happens with me is I isolate and then I start to not do well. So I plan to, and do the same thing. Keep up with my friends. I plan to clean my apartment, tell my parents. What's the wrong plan? I have no plan to leave town. This is, I've done this and I'm ready to face it, but I was off to go. I think that's going to happen. Bless you. Okay. I think that's going to happen. As I said, at the very, very beginning of this, whatever time you started to go, hours ago, um, you're not under arrest right now. Okay. Okay. As you can imagine. Okay. Calling you back in 30 minutes. As I can. As it said at the beginning, you're not under arrest. Okay. But as you can imagine, a investigation like this is something that we've never dealt with. It's something that doesn't happen very often. It's something that you rarely hear about. Right. Okay. I don't know if many, but you're not the first person to do this. Right. Okay. Having said that, we have a responsibility to protect the public. Right. Right. You know where I'm coming from. I say that. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. You've done some, some things to some innocent people. Absolutely. You've done some pretty, what people are not. I mean, people are going to have opinions of you. You weren't here. Right. Exactly. Um, having said that, there's something in the criminal court of Canada and this is usually the result of someone being charged with criminal offense and being placed on such a thing called an eight-ten piece of bond. Okay. And basically what an eight-ten piece bond is is kind of a promise given by a court. A promise given by your, or your work given to us. And it's a court document issued by a judge that puts you on certain conditions. Certain conditions limiting you from doing certain things, having certain things in your possession, attending certain locations. And if you were to breach those conditions. Right. Then you would be arrested and further charged with breaching this, what's called a eight-ten piece bond. Okay. So basically, you've heard of a restraining order. Yes. It's similar to that. Okay. A lot of people call them restraining orders, but it's actually in Canada called a eight-ten piece bond. Okay. And again, it just limits you from doing certain things, attending certain locations. It could be things like still getting help for your mental health, your substance abuse, surrendering your passport. I have no password. Not practicing it as an RN. Yeah. Not a thing or a single thing like that. Yeah. Okay. So if you're going to enter into an eight-ten piece bond prior to being currently charged. Absolutely. And do you understand what I mean by eight-ten piece bond? Yes. Yes. It means I have to do it or I come back and I'm in jail until everything else happens. I don't know what would happen if you're to breach it as far as jail. The only thing that I want to make sure that it's clear to you and I'm getting my point across is that it's basically a document that you're going to square its sign and agree not to answer things, not to answer things in your position. And I don't think that's going to happen right now. Okay. Because it has to go in front of the judge. Oh, okay. Okay. So it's just an option that we're looking at because as I said we have the responsibility to protect the public. Yes, absolutely. That's why I want to know what your plans are. Yes. I want to know that you're going to go only be supported by your family. Yeah. I want to know what your plan is. Yeah. That's why I want to know what your plan is. Yes. I want to know that you're going to be supported by your family. Yeah. I want to know what your plan is. Yeah. That's why I want to know what your plan is. If you come and get me, I'll do it. All right. I think we have your cell phone number. 519. Yeah. 532. 6471. Okay. Home phone number is 519. 290. 0724. Okay. Okay. You understand what we just talked about? Oh, yes. Absolutely. Because it's a very unique situation, right? Yes. Where you can affect certain things. Yes. And we have quite a bit of like work, as you can imagine, to do this investigation together. Let's see where we go from here. Okay. There's a lot of people that will consult in it and determine the final answer of what your fate is. Okay. Okay. Sorry. But I know that you're aware of the extent of what you've done. Yes. I know that you've verbalized and spoke about how you feel. And obviously you can't take it back, but... I'm relieved that I've just asked it. I feel sorry for the people that are not going to find out. Sort of in the sand. Yeah. They can do that as a power of commitment for... Like, I am sorry. Yeah. That's what they're not all about. Yeah. I really have to pee. I'm sorry. Go for it. I've got 816 and I think that'll probably conclude things. But I'm going to just use the washman. Okay. Go for it. Oh, I just had to get you to find that consent by the way. Yeah. No problem.