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To Catch a Predator Dustin McPhetridge FULL Police interview

To Catch a Predator Dustin McPhetridge FULL Police interview

"I thought you was wantin' to be shaved...down there."

-Dustin showing that Barber-ism begins at home.

Dustin Jacob McPhetridge appeared on the Bowling Green, Kentucky investigation of To Catch a Predator. He is most known for his disability, as well as his outrageous demands while in prison.

Dustin McPhetridge was 26 when he arrived at the sting house with the hope of meeting a thirteen year old girl named "Laura" that he thought he was chatting with online. He had a twisted and sordid chat with the girl wanting to shave her privates, get her drunk and have rough anal sex with her. Dustin, the consummate gentleman, gave Laura a choice on where to put his sperm first (mouth, pussy, or ass). He also wanted her to wear a pair of panties for 2-3 days straight and then send them to him. He even sent a picture of a couple having sex. The icing on the cake was when he said that he wanted to have a threesome with her EIGHT year old sister. [1]

After a four hour drive, Dustin waddled into the house with an electric razor and KY Jelly and tried to coax the decoy over to do all the twisted things he had on his mind. He instead got to meet Chris Hansen. Dustin went right into victim mode blaming the girl for the situation, saying she led him on.

After his arrest, Dustin pulls every pity string he can ranging from his disability to his weight to getting bullied with Sgt. Dudinskie, the officer in charge of his interview. Dudinskie fires back with details of his chatlog that showed Dustin to be a very disgusting predator that hid behind his disability. [2]

He was sentenced to five years in prison for traveling across state lines to meet a minor for sex. He was also sentenced to eight years for possession of child pornography. The sentences ran concurrently but because Dustin wasn’t convicted on the CP charge until two years after his first conviction, he actually ended up with a ten year sentence.[3] Dustin was released on lifetime federal sex-offender probation and now helps to run a convenience store in Surgoinsville, Tennessee.

Behind the scenes
Dustin has cerebral palsy. He demonstrated before, during, and after the sting his devious behavior of using his disability to garner sympathy as well as escape trouble. Casey and the lead KBI investigator even said they felt sorry for Dustin when he saw him struggle to enter the house, but kept in mind his reason for showing up at the house was to molest a child.

Partway through serving his sentence, he wrote a letter to his convicting judge saying he had learned his lesson and requesting that he immediately be released from serving the remainder of his sentence. If his request was denied, in lieu of release, he requested a walk-in jacuzzi in his cell. Both requests were denied.

Dustin was scheduled to be back in court February 2020 due to probation violations, mainly failing his sex offender treatment program, subsequently being kicked out, and polygraph tests asking if he had viewed child pornography since his release. A series of continuances have been given due to Dustin's health, COVID-19 concerns, and scheduling conflicts.[4] Dustin was given yet another continuance September 2021 because his family had paid vacation plans. Recent photos show that Dustin uses a wheelchair. During examination of his counselor, he revealed that Dustin has spent the most time of any offender in the program because he either refuses to own the actions that led him to this point, or makes excuses on why he can't make any positive changes in his life. Dustin also gained the ire from his peers in his classes because they believed his rehabilitation to be a waste of time. Time that could be better invested in their recovery.[5]

Trivia
Dustin apparently "doesn't like lawyers", as he revealed in his police...

Duration:: 1h 31m
Broadcast on:: 30 Dec 2024
Audio Format:: other

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I never imagined I'd be arrested on a jail or a police station. All right there, so I'll do it first. Evening, Dustin. Well, stuff happens, we'll have a chance to talk about it. I don't, I don't ever hurt anybody, sorry. Okay, and I'm not saying you hurt anybody. Yeah, just slow down, I might have to get some information from you, okay? You know who I am? No. And you're sitting here telling me your whole life story, just hold on a second, okay? I'm too honest about everything, sir, and we'll get a chance, don't call that. I mean, you can say that. You want a water? No, okay. I'll probably throw it up right now. Well, it's there if you want it. Well, just relax, man. Just relax, okay? Just calm down, all right? We're just going to talk a little bit, all right? And we'll get some information from you real quick. I mean, like the date line NBC got toting him. Well, I'm not with date line, okay? I'm not with date line. My name is John, all right? My name is John Dudinsky. 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All we're going to do is we're going to talk, and we'll get your name and stuff, all right? I'm just, all right. The reason I'm nervous is because honestly, this is my momma. Okay. We're having all the trouble. Well, let's do this. You sound like you want to talk to me, okay? And I want to hear what you have to say, but until I tell you this, we need that. Because I don't want to get a job because I can't, I can't deal without having that job. I understand that. Because I mean, I can't walk without this. I understand. Okay. Before I ask you any questions, you got to know your rights, okay? You have to write to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in quarter and other proceedings. You have to write to have an attorney before you make any statement or answer any questions. You can have your attorney present during questioning. You may request a court to appoint an attorney for you if you cannot afford to hire one, all right? If you start talking to me and you won't quit talking, you can stop at any time by refusing to answer questions, or by requesting consultation with your attorney, all right? I'll be honest. You don't like lawyers? No. All right. What this says here is that I've read you your rights. Do you understand them? Yes. You understand that you can stop talking at any time you want to. You can have an attorney. You can have an attorney with you during questioning. It's 1109. Yeah, I forgot it's the time change. Yeah, we're on central time. I'm an idiot. I did a lot of room. Okay. If you understand your rights, as I've read them to you, if you'll sign right here for me for it says signature. Now this this waiver down here says that you've having the above statement of your rights read and explained to you and you fully understand them. And that's correct, right? You hereby waive these rights at 1110 p.m. and you're wanting to talk to me, correct? Hey there, Ryan Reynolds here. It's a new year and you know what that means. No, not the diet. Resolutions. Away for us all to try and do a little bit better than we did last year. And my resolution, unlike big wireless, is to not be a raging and raise the price of wireless on you every chance I get. Give it a try at mintmobile.com/switch. $45 up from payment required equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first three month plan only. Taxes and fees extra. Speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited. See mintmobile.com for details. Well, Dateline doesn't doesn't work for for us. They're not policemen. They're news people. I know, but that's just wrong that he lied to me. Right. Well, we'll talk about that in a minute. I understand why I'm here. Right. But he shouldn't lie to me, you know. Right. He should have said, well, you are in the arrest. I'm gonna turn this on real quick. All right. I'm gonna tape record. I'm old-fashioned. Why'd you go digital? Yeah. I didn't know what this was. I was like, where you put the tape in. Yeah, I supposed to borrow my buddy one of those this week so I could write his book. Oh, yeah. He's gonna write a book. Yeah, he's a wrestler. I don't mention my name because that don't need to be. All right. Well, it's 2311 and I'm talking to Dustin. What's your last name, Dustin? McFetridge. McFetridge? Yeah. Okay. So, the whole world will find me usually. All right. If it's released, I mean, I don't want trouble. I don't like trouble. I'd never hurt her. I was gonna meet her. I wasn't gonna force her into anything. And this morning, I think it was 11, 12, Eastern time. She called me and kept seeing me please because my parents are going to be out of town, please. I'm like, okay, I was gonna call. I thought she was gonna call and I was gonna talk and discuss stuff and everything because she has called me a few times. And I mean, it was out of the ordinary and I luckily ended BC gas. She said she said she was 13. I thought she was 17. Sometimes I have a bad memory. I know 17 did her a little limit too. I was talking to her and I was thinking, okay, she turned 17 and then when she turns 18, I'll meet her. And if anything, it's meant to be them. Well, you're kind of, you're kind of starting, but just just telling me a whole story out there. But not from the beginning. Why don't you start from the beginning of how you met her? Okay. I can. I was just being honest. Well, be honest from the beginning. Yeah. Okay. You jumbled it all up there for me. Start from the beginning. How'd you happen to meet her? Okay. I was in a Yahoo chat room. Tennessee chat room. Tennessee chat room? Yeah, it was a Tennessee chat room. It was probably one, two, five, seven or not. That's usually once I go through. And I mean, I've only talked to one other underage girl and that was a problem, like I told them BC guy. But we'll get to that. Tell me about this girl. Yeah. Okay. I am. I'm just trying to explain everything and I'm bad at telling stories. I met her. I talked to her for some and she was real friendly, real nice and everything. And like I said, I thought she said she was 17. You know, there's no problem with talking to somebody or calling somebody. I don't think there is, is there? No, I mean, no problem. Talk to somebody who's 17, but go ahead. I mean, well, I'm asking them a little while because I'm not, I know you can't do nothing with anybody under 18 if you're over 18. I know that much. Okay. I didn't know if it was bad for me to pick up the phone and talk to a 17 year old and say, "Hey, how are you?" I didn't know. So you're talking to her? Yeah. We're friends and everything. She's being sweet and joking around and stuff. And I mean, it's- Did you ever see her? I seen photos, photo of her or something. I don't hear my space. Okay. And did she ever see you? Yeah. I gave her my space page. I mean, I share information. I'm a very open person. I mean, so like I told her a few days after we started talking, yeah, I have cerebral palsy. I walk with a cane. I don't know. I don't know if I told her about my hand or not and stuff like that. I'm very open. I don't want her to hurt nobody. And I like to make friends. Then it's the best way I can make friends because people look bad at me like I'm retarded or such a person. It's hard to make friends other than that. I mean, there's a lot of bad stuff that happens on the internet like this and people lie, but you can make some good friends over. And I don't know. It's just- And then we just started talking and I don't know. I lost my head. I've done something stupid and stuff and I hagged it on and she encouraged and she hagged a little bit. And I mean, like I said, today she hagged me coming up here. I didn't have no plans of doing it. I really didn't want to, but she's a sweet person and I didn't want to upset her. And that was stupid. I should totally know and she got mad, oh well. But I wasn't thinking. Like, okay y'all, me and her hang out. Nothing bad. I mean, stupid thing is, I've heard reports like this and Virginia and other states and stuff like that. And these weirdos will bring groups and knives and stuff. I didn't bring- Do you have anything like that in your car? No. Would you mind if we looked in your car? I'll be honest to you, everything you've seen it as far as I know. Well, what I'd like to do is get you to say it's okay for us to look in your car. Yeah, it's fine. Because we want to verify that you didn't bring nothing to kill her or anything. No, the only bad things I brought was my electric razor, because she said she wanted to be shaved down there and I don't know why I did that. And I think I can't remember, I thought I brought some hand-moist drivers or KYJ. I don't know what you did. I can't remember. What was that for? I don't know. I don't know why I even brought it. I wasn't thinking. I just picked it up. Hey, Justin, if we're gonna talk and be honest with each other, okay? I'm gonna be honest with you. I know where you're coming from. It's- It's hard to meet people. Okay. I mean, I get- I picked it up. Okay, hold on a sec. I know how hard it is to meet people. See that? I'm 40 years old. You know what I mean? I try to meet people all the time. I understand what it's like to get on the internet. You know what I mean? To meet people? Okay. I understand what it's like to go visit people, but I never get in my car and throw KYJ in there with that a reason. All right? But I'm being honest with you. Why did you throw the KYJ in the car? I don't- like I said, I don't know if it's KY or the English. Okay, what were you gonna use it for? You can- ones for sex, ones for washing your hands. You weren't gonna wash your hands with KY, right? What were you gonna use it for? I guess. Was it in case you had sex with her? Yeah, but I was gonna try not to. I understand now. I understand you got it. I mean, I'm a man too. You got to try and resist. Yeah, it's hard. But if it would have happened, you had the KYJ you were prepared. Yeah, but I mean, I ain't gonna lie to you and I mean- Okay, well, let's do this. I don't know. Let's do this right here. Like I said, I'm an idiot. Okay. Well, I mean- Well, I'm not calling you a idiot, you know? I'm calling myself. Well, I'm not gonna call you one. I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna listen to your story, okay? We're gonna talk about a few things that are in your chat just to make sure everything's okay. What kind of vehicle are you driving tonight? A 2005 P.T. Cruiser and it's actually in my mother's name in my name. What up? What color is it? Depends on how the sun hits it. It's a bluish purple. I'm being honest. It's a weird color. I've only seen one other one like it. It's Tennessee tags? Yes. It's good memory. Well, come up with the saying. I couldn't tell you to plate number. I'm going to truck and I've had it for five years. Somebody ever steals it on the truck? Yeah, well, that's pretty good. That's the second vehicle I had and that's the only vehicle I've lost. All right. And I told you already, my name is John Dudinski, right? Yes. And I'm with the Attorney General's office. Please don't arrest me because I can't survive in jail. Well, we're gonna talk about some stuff, all right? So just stay calm, drink your water, relax. We- I can't drink water. We got time to talk, okay? So we're not gonna get in a hurry about anything. Also, a camera recording or something? Yeah, that's so that, you know, text both of us. You can't say I did something to you in here and I can't say that, you know, you did something you didn't do. Like I said, I'm gonna cooperate because I'm so guilty. I mean, I'm under a rock. Okay, what this states is that I did anything but physical. You hereby consent to complete search of the premises property or vehicle located at Bowling Green Police Department. Why was all those cameras here? Is that NBC or what? Yeah, they have to get my permission to use it, don't they? Well, you're gonna have to discuss that with them. I don't have anything to do with that. I'm with, I'm with the police agency. I thought you all had done this before. Like I said, I've read about. Okay, this states that you consent to a complete search of your your vehicle located at Bowling Green Police Department and more particularly described as a 2005 PT Cruiser Blues Purple. You grant this consent to John DeDinsky, known to you as an agent of the office of the Attorney General and to such other officers deemed necessary to assist. You know that you have a right to refuse consent and you voluntarily give up their right. You know that the agent does not have a search warrant. You have not been threatened or coerced in any way nor have you been promised any favor or benefit. You have read this consent form or had it read to you and you understand it. The date is 20th day of October 2007 and the time is 11 21 p.m. Is that correct? And you're going to allow us to look inside your vehicle, right? Okay, I just need your sign right there. And I mean, honestly, that's all that's in that bag as far as in the bag. They might be two pairs of shoes. Um, it's hard for me to clean. Are there any weapons or anything in there? If there is, I'm going to be mad. Michael's. I don't know about him. Okay. There might be a few DVDs. My buddy's wrestling promotion, but that's about okay. Could you print your name here for me please and then write your your address. I mean, um, so bad to do that. I'll tell you what, I'll write your address in for you. What's your address? All right, so I'm going to take a picture of you on the website. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. I'm going to write your address in for you. You guys aren't going to go search the house right now. Are you? No. Because I mean. This is for your car. I just need to put that out. Because I was going to say, if y'all are, let me at least call my mom and tell her what an idiot I am. Right. Well, this is just for your car. Are you okay? Yeah. Are you hungry? No, not throw up my appreciator. I didn't know what your medical situation was if you needed something to eat to keep your blood sugar level away. I was upset at it as I am. I might have a panic attack. That's all I've got. Do you take any medication or anything that you're due for? No, not at all. Well, I'm going to leave this here, just in case you end up needing it, okay? Can you do things to me? I think they're going to let hands out. Well, whenever you're ready, come on, go ahead and make this up. You need something, John. Give me a hand. All right. So, you met, just take us back here. You meet her online. You talk for a while, send each other some pictures, get to know each other, get to chat on the internet. She, as she come up, you throw ky jelly in the car and, just in case, and I believe you, I guess, you tried to resist. I mean, I want to force myself on anybody. And I mean, well, let me ask you this. I shouldn't force myself. Let me ask you this. You said you talked to another girl that was underage one time. And what happened on that? The, I had originally talked to an older lady, 30, late 30s, early 40s. Where was she at? The trial cities. What's the trial cities? Is that what the city's called? It's Kingsport, John City, Bristol. I can't remember which city it was. All in Tennessee. Yeah. They're all right, Bristol and Johnson City. Okay. They call them the trial cities because you can hit any of one from the other within like five mile distance or something. It's all like half the trial cities. And she had me start talking to her 14 year old daughter. And I said, I didn't want to. And she gave her a daughter, my name and everything. And her daughter was wanting to date me. And she was wanting me to, the lady was wanting me to date her daughter. And I was like, no. And I tried to be a pervert together, leave me alone. And then her, I said, all I want is sex. And who'd you tell that to the daughter or the mom or what? I know the daughter and I'm wanting to say the mom too. What was it? What was mom's name? I couldn't tell you. This is being, I think, I'm trying to go back in my mind. Two thousand, two thousand one. How old were you then? Twenty one, twenty. Yeah. I was like, I said a mom asked you to talk to your daughter. Yeah, I'm trying to start talking to her. And then the mom wants you to start dating her daughter. Yeah. Did she ask you that online to date her daughter? I believe someone actually, I told the mom was asking me what I was doing for my birthday. I told her I was going out to dinner at a Japanese steakhouse. Trying to think, that's why I'm saying my memory is bad. So, I mean, it's part of cerebral palsy. I think it was a little damage here there. It was some kind of Chinese or a Japanese steakhouse. I told her she shows up looking for me. The mom did. What's the daughter? That was a little strange. And the man was, the woman's boyfriend was a cop. And I mean, I apologize and I cleared it up without going to. What'd you have to apologize for though if she wanted you to date her daughter? I was trying to cover anything up just so I didn't go to jail or anything. Because I mean, people, there's something missing from that story that don't have any sense. Yeah, I understand so I'm trying to think. Okay, so you got online and the mother wants you to go out with her daughter or something. And you tried to act like a pervert so that she wouldn't want you to date her daughter. Yeah, that's what you're telling me. And what type of things did you say? I just want sex. That's all you said. I believe so. I didn't go into no details like that thing over there. I guarantee that. I had never met the girl or anything like that. Okay. I mean, so when you said you just wanted sex, what happened then? The next thing I know, she was upset and crying and I was like... Is it a restaurant? No, I didn't say this at the restaurant. Okay, you said this on now. This was after, yeah, this was after the restaurant. They didn't find me at the restaurant. Okay. We was back there in the back, get a foreign table I think and they didn't see us or something. I think what the mom looked like and I can't remember if I seen a picture of the daughter or not, but I remember the woman had a... So where did you meet this cop and the girl and the mom at? I never met them. They think... Oh, okay. I took... The mom asked me, I think it was a mom... Asked me where it was what I was doing for my birthday because I mean, yeah, my birthday is over 15th and, you know, people ask who. That's the common thing online. When's your birthday? Right. And, you know, without saying, they try to get to know you. What do you do for everyone? Well, what I'm saying is, before this birthday thing, before the birthday thing, you... I was trying to... You told her you just wanted to have sex. No, I told her after that. After the birthday thing? Yeah, because I mean, if they're going to find me there... Yeah. A little stranger. I mean, I didn't... Okay, so you told her after that? Yeah. Then what happened? And she was upset and I tried to resolve the issue. And I went to the technical school I was going to then. And I come home that day and... Mom's second husband says, you are... There's a cop calling here for you. I'm like, you... What? What's going on? And it was... I don't know. It wasn't a sheriff. It was a police officer. And he said that they were thinking about filing charges. And Mom talked to him and... I don't know the whole story that... It's like, if he apologizes, we'll leave you alone. So I apologize, you know. And I... Because I don't like trouble here. So you never got a ticket or anything for it? No. Never ready to get a call. No. It was settled over the phone. And you remember the girl's name? No, I do not, sir. I owe you shit. I want to say 14. That's why I didn't want to talk to her in the first place. I mean, I knew back then not to talk to... People younger. Because I mean, and I thought it was weird that the mom on me talked to the daughter. If you knew... If you knew, why did you talk to this girl? I'll talk to anybody on the internet, but I didn't mean for anything to escalate to the way it did neither. And I mean, you say things and you don't think. I mean, we all do, I'd say. I mean, I know what's in that. You got time to think about it now on what you said, on some of the things you said, correct? Yeah, I mean... Well, I mean, I hagged a lot of it on. She did a couple things. She did a couple things on her. What did she do to get on? Like, she called me the day he wanted me to come up here. But you were telling her you were her boyfriend, right? You wanted to marry her. After she's 18. If we got along. Yeah, if you read that. I mean, I'm gonna read it. And here's the problem we got. Yeah. Ready for the problem is you don't want to go to jail for a long time. I want to know the story on what your intent is and what you're planning on doing, okay? And some of these things I'm going to need you to explain, because a jury and a judge are going to be looking at these things, right? Okay. And they're going to say to themselves, "This guy here might have been willing to kill this girl or something." No, sir. Because some of this stuff looks pretty bad. But let's establish right up front. You knew that she was 13. I'll tell you what, hold on, hold on. I told you we're going to be honest with each other, all right? Oh, I've been totally honest with you and up front. Yes, sir. I explained the same back, okay? If you'd have thought she was, if you wouldn't have known she was 13 or something, why were you right away worried about a cop and telling her I can't talk to you? In several chats and telling her how to, I mean, that I can read this chat right here and it talks about her being 13 later on and that is 13 days ago. And you're telling her how to get rid of stuff on the computer so nobody knows what you're talking about. I'll then hurt her to get in trouble so we can't even speak. And I don't want, did you not want her to get in trouble or were you worried about you getting in trouble or both? I was worried about her getting in trouble. You weren't worried about you getting in trouble? When the first thing you say is you're making sure there's not a cop or anything because you don't want instant trouble. I mean the part, yeah, I'm being honest, I'm being honest, sir. The part about showing her how to clear that, was so she didn't get trouble with her parents because she said she wasn't supposed to be on the internet chat. I didn't want her to get in trouble like that and I mean if I get in trouble, I mean I have to deal with the consequences I'm dealing with them now and I hate them and I don't, I made some stupid choices and I don't know. I wish I could take it back and I don't know. I hurt nobody and that's the truth and I said some stupid things in there and... When you tell her to, you want to hide the stuff that's on there and had archive stuff, you know, a lot of this leads up to you wanting to protect yourself more than worrying about her. Am I pretty accurate on that? Yeah, I was thinking more of her but yeah, it was for me too and like I said, I don't want trouble. I mean, I don't know nobody getting trouble. I'm not, I'm not blaming you but what I got to get to the bottom of here, okay? I mean, I've got to get to the bottom of what's going on and when you tell me half the truth first and then the other half of the truth later on and I got asked 10 more questions, all you're doing is making it hard on me and like I told you, judging jury is going to hear this. You have things in here asking her, if she's had her first period yet, you have things in here that sound as if you want to take her off somewhere, buy her from her mom. Yeah, that was a joke, okay. Yeah, well, I mean, I said a lot of things that you're willing to take her marry her, you want her to send her panties. I know that one was, I don't know, her social security number, like I said, so that you can find her. If something happened, after if we lost contact between now and when she was 18, that's what that was for. I'm being totally honest and the panties was a stupid thing and I was just to see if she was real. All right. And that's been awesome. On the 13th, you knew she was a 13-year-old girl correct by what I just read you and you just told me that, right? I guess I said I'm bad with dates, okay. That was seven days ago and she bitching, supposedly, is what you're thinking or whatever you're saying. You said she was. You're saying I can't wait to get your cherry. Yeah. Which correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm an old man and I might have been out of the system for a while, but that means that you're going to take her virginity. You're going to take her virginity. But now hold on a second and you came up here. I didn't have 11 o'clock at night to meet. Because I couldn't get here any faster. I would have been here during the day. Would you have been here during the day? And I'm being honest. You've said her pornography over the internet. Is that correct? And what's that a photo of? Because she said she'd never seen a penis before. And why did you send it to her? I don't know. But I don't know. Because she said she never seen one. Okay. And I mean, if somebody asked me a question out of curiosity or how do I do something, I'm stupid enough to tell. You know, I try to help people, I share knowledge if I have. Hey, remember we're being honest with each other. I know. I know. Okay. Well, let's be honest. Okay. If somebody asks you how to build a birdhouse, you might send him a diagram. Okay. Yeah. But that's a girl at age. A girl at age. Ask you or say she never seen a penis. And I don't recall her asking you. I've read the entire string of chat and she never asks you to send her what a picture of a penis would look like, right? I asked her if she wants to see it. She said he is. Hold on. But she's asking you or telling you she's not saying a penis or nothing, right? Correct. Were you trying to get her excited about sex? No. No, sir. How many of these chats do I have to read out loud for you to say the truth of what you were doing? You're asking her to touch herself. You're asking her if you show up, will she touch you? If that's not trying to get somebody excited about sex, what's it trying to do? You're not sent a birdhouse. I was a few of them. That was... Did you send that pornography to introduce her to sex? No, sir. Why did you send it then? Because she said she never seen one. I mean, I'm being asked. Okay. Why does a girl at age have to see one? I don't know. I don't have no answer for that one. There is no... Was it to educate her about sex? So consciously I guess so because I mean, I didn't think that when I was seeing it neither. And I mean, I was just... She was your girlfriend on the internet. I can appreciate that. A girlfriend, you know, you're thinking... You're thinking you're gonna have a girlfriend for life, correct? Yeah, because I get lonely and I mean... I understood. A lot of people look down at Pummy for my disability and it hurts. Hey, I've had mental breakdowns. You're looking at a chubby bald guy, buddy. It ain't... Well, you ain't chubby. I'm chubby. It ain't easy. I know it ain't easy. So, I mean... I know it's easy, man. But you met her. She was your girlfriend. You were gonna have... You were gonna come up here. You were gonna meet her. You're gonna watch the movies, right? Yeah, that's where I'm always where you're gonna watch. I don't know. Okay. If she was willing based on everything you said, were you gonna have sex with her? You want the honesty? That's why I'm sitting here. I was gonna meet her and we may have, we may not have, if we got along, if not. Why did you bring the KYG? It was to have sex, correct? If it led up to that, because I mean, like I said, if it led up to that, if I didn't plan on having sex, I didn't come up here planning on not having sex, having it either way. Like I said, I picked it up. I grabbed a few thongs real quick. You grabbed... Okay. If I'm going out on the first date, my first thought isn't through some KYG in the truck. If I know that this girl is a sure thing, I'm gonna throw some KYG in the truck. Did you throw the KYG in the truck because you're pretty sure you're gonna have sex if somebody wants you to come that far to see them? No, sir. I mean, you didn't take it that she wanted to have sex from... Do I have to read the chats? No, sir. Okay. No. You pretty much knew that you were coming up here for sex, correct? No, sir. It was one of those 50-50 things, and I understand where you're coming from. Or you will make me read the chats again. No, sir. I understand what we said. Okay. I asked her if we was... Where do you want my sperm first? I don't know. Mouth, pussy, or ass? I mean, that wasn't in reference of meeting today. Okay. I want... All I want to do, okay? A lot of this... Let's get on with this interview, but we've got to get over this hurdle. I know. Okay. I know. We've got to get to the truth. I'm... I'm being a KYG in there. Did you come up here expecting to have sex with this girl by because of her emails back to you? No, sir. And you're saying you want to have sex, and she's like, "Yeah, that sounds cool." No, sir. I mean, it was one of those 50-50 things. She wanted 50-50. If we could have had sex, we could not have had sex and I mean. But you would have had sex if you hit it off with her. If we got alone and I thought it was a meaningful relationship, honestly, then... Yeah. Okay. But if we didn't get along... No. Because I'm not only these people that... Well, you asked her to be naked for you to get here. In one of your chats way back when you all talked about me, the first time you said something about being naked when you get there in your panties or something like that. Forget exactly how you ordered it. I'm trying to think of that one myself, sir. And I'm being... I want to get you drunk. Later on. Yeah. This is a... This is a 12-year-old girl. Do you know the drinking agent Kentucky? 18. Okay. Yeah, I didn't study one. Oh, with it. But let me tell you this. Yeah, let me explain this. Remember what I told you before about a judge and jury's going to hear this? This sounds to me like you wanted to hurt somebody. Would you be mad if I got you drunk and had sex with you however I wanted in the next day you were in pain? I want to f you really hard one time. Now, when you were coming up here, I forgot even had that conversation. That's what you want to do. That's what you're telling her you want to do. That was not... If you have a meaningful relationship, were you wanting to have a meaningful relationship and make love to this girl, or were you wanting to just do a real hard and treat her bad and be daughter or what? I was wanting to have a real relationship with her. That was meant for much later on, and I don't even know why I even come up with that one and said that. But if things would have worked at you to had sex with her tonight? If we got along and stuff, and I mean, I don't know. I mean, I've met people I've longed for, and I've met people... You spend a lot of time on the computer? Yeah, because I mean, I've sat there and I play games on a computer and on the Xbox 360, and it's... I mean, I don't have much else to do because I mean, I've tried to look for a real job, and it's impossible to find a job that's going to be real impossible after this. But computers are a good thing. If used correctly, computers are a good place to meet friends. Yeah, and I mean, other than this situation, that other one I told you about, I've never done anything like that. What all chat rooms do you visit? The Tennessee ones I listed earlier are like one, two, three, five, seven, nine, I think. How do they look on the internet? Is it Tennessee one or something? Yeah. You just sign in, sign in, and then a wrestling chat room, wrestling chat room. Have you ever met anybody in any other chat rooms that you've had sex with? Yes. Any of them under age? No, sir. We know. What's their screen names? Do you remember any of them? I can try to. X-X, perfect drug, X-X, I think. Where did you meet these people at? Which chat rooms? The same ones? This has been over years and years, so it's hard to say. And she was talking to me about she had moved back to Tennessee and she would like to see me again, and I was like, okay, I talked to her son, and then she disappeared again. Not this one, the one you had sex with? Yeah. And she was, I'll just say 21, 21, nobody under age? No, sir. All right. What's your cell phone number? (silence) And if I had the phone in front of me, I could tell you who, so if I had anything with him, where do you live at right now? At home with my mama. (silence) (silence) Well, I mean, what? I would rather break the stupid news to her first. Okay, what up? What city is that again? I mean, like I said, I don't want to go to jail. I can't live in jail and I don't want no problems. Now, when you live there with her, is that your computer? Is that her computer? She bought it, but I use it. Where's it at? In the house. And I guess it's my living area. Your living area? Yeah, I mean, I've got a bedroom. I've got two bedrooms. One's got my bed in, and then the other one's computer desk. And that's your area? Yeah, our computer desk. Does she use the computer? She has a few times. She's used it a few... She had her own and it tore up. She uses that occasionally and stuff. So, you and your mom just live together? Her third husband. He lives there too. Does he use your computer? He's used it a couple times to look at x-rays, and he's used hers a couple times to the x-rays. He's got a bad back in that. He's not very computer literate. What kind of computer is it? Just one I custom ordered. Oh, you custom ordered it? Yeah. I ordered the parts and I had a friend that helped me build it. Oh, really? I can do parts of it, but I can't do a few things with it because you're pretty computer savvy though. Somewhat depends on the subject. I mean, up until two years ago, I didn't know there was a caps lock button. I didn't know what that meant, so I didn't touch it. But you can build one? With a little help, you know what I mean? It's just buying the parts and stuff from the side. What about a webcam? You got one of them? No, sir. I had a cheap digital camera that they had on TV. I plugged it up once to see what was about a webcam, and I don't even know where the thing is. It's either on the clouds or buried in the computer desk. Do you have any pornography on your computer? Yes, sir. Anything of anybody under age? I don't think so. You don't think so? How could you not know? Did you ever see any underage on your computer? Or viewing the images? View the images before I think of under age people. Not meaning to, and I don't know what else saved on it. What do you mean, not meaning to? How can you not mean to? I mean, you go on the internet and look at porn on. You don't know if they're of age or not. Some are? Well, remember, I just told you, I just found a caps lock, but a couple of years ago. So I'm not real computer savvy. So explain to me how you get porn on the internet. I understand you can punch in porn, but what I'm talking about is underage people. Do you exchange porn with other people? No, sir. Okay, how do you-- I have, well, I will change that story a small bit. I have a female friend that has sent me a couple female photos of a couple of her friends on a adult friend finder or something like that. Okay. So, so the porno that you're looking at is off of websites? Yeah, don't you tell me? Yeah, I'm off of EMULEX and I mean-- Off of what? A download program. Download program? What did you call it just now? EMULEX. EMULEX. It's EMULE, but you don't have to share stuff to send. So that could be just other people sending you stuff. Yeah. Do you save porn on your computer? Yes. Videos or just pictures or both? Both and I need to delete it. I meant to-- Do you burn any CDs or anything of it? I think they have been burnt CDs of it and I don't know where they are. I don't know if they're on the desk. If I throw them away or what, I can't. I mean, I'm getting right over the sounds I go home because I don't want trouble and I-- I mean, I help my buddy do DVDs and I mean I-- Did you all ever burn any porn DVDs? No, he does wrestling DVDs of himself that over the years and I've edited the matches down so he can sell them and stuff because they're-- They're his matches. I mean, I can't lose the computer because I can't help him if I lose the computer and I help him with his website and I mean, I'm being honest with you, so I mean, like, as soon as I get out here, I'll go home and delete and point off the web-- off the computer, go through every DVD I have, CD, whatever. I'll say DVD and CD and it's the same thing to me because it's the basics. Pornography in itself looking at porno isn't necessarily, but what I'm interested in is if you have pornography of underage people and you told me not that you know what. What is the likelihood that we're going to find something that's somebody underage? There's probably a few photos and few videos that I had downloaded. Of underage people. Yeah, but like I said, I went through-- You downloaded them? Yeah, but I-- Did you save them? But I have not went through all of them. But did you save them? Yeah, they're on the hard drive and I mean, there's a-- At one point, it was saving things in different photos and I had not went through everything to see what it is. That's what I'm saying. Did you-- What's the likelihood that you burned any of these to disc where there's underage people? I don't think I had cause them ones. You don't think I'm asking-- No. Do you remember ever burning any? The only ones that I burnt to DVD, I had viewed and there was no children in them. Did you ever share any pornography with underage people? No. I don't share porno period. Once you get it yours? Yeah, you got to find it yourself. And I mean, because I don't know who would be on the other end. So your mom and I guess your stepdad and you live in this house as anybody else that lives there? No children? At one point, her niece was staying with us and I went-- Your mom's niece? Yeah, and I would never think of doing anything and-- How old was she? You're asking a hard question because I can't even remember my birthday sometime. Six to eight. You never did nothing with her? God, no. What's her name? Don't know her last name. Okay. And who's your internet provider? It's changed over the years and if they don't change it, it's going to be earth-linked because they hadn't messed up my credit card bill. When's the last time you get on your computer to receive pornography? To receive porn being a while. Been a while? Been a long time. When's the last time you chatted with a girl other than the girl that you got picked up for tonight? And what manner? Talking about sex or anything. I was aggravating a late 20-year-old last night or the night before, aggravating her about sex. I think I was joking around about my space and she said, "Oh no." Well, yep, said they ain't no sex survey. I said, "No, but what's your favorite position?" And it's all it was. And I said, "What was it?" Would you run away with me? I think it was. Just joking with it. I mean, her husband's around. Joking. I would never do anything like that. Did you have a driver's license in your wallet? Yes, okay. I got to go get your driver's license real quick, okay? And then I'll be right back. We'll finish up and we'll get you taken care of so you can get out of here, okay? Okay. What's going to happen to me, sir? Well, I'm going to release you to a transport officer. They're going to take you over to the jail, okay? And they're going to let you make bond, all right? What's how much is bond? I don't know. We don't set that. The jail sets that. I can't make bond. Well, there's a lot of different options on it, too, but I don't know what they're offering tonight or what it's pumping. People can sign for you or they can no worry, but it's all up to the judge and up to the jail. I don't have any control on that, okay? But let me get your driver's license. I'll come back and talk to you just one minute, okay? 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