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See site for more details. Welcome to Watch what Crapins. It's me, Rami. I used to work at a site called TVGasm.com and that is where I know Nads from. Nadine Rajabi ran the news and gossip side of that site. So funny, so sweet. We've been friends for a really long time. She's executive producer of Below Deck and has done an amazing job on the season. Obviously, we're all in love with it. Kate Chastain, so great as well. Go find her interview from a couple of weeks ago if you haven't heard it on this show. Really, really good. So love these girls. It's not a traditional episode where we recap the reunion. We do talk about, I think everything happened or most of what happened on the season, but a lot of this is just asking about the inner workings of backstage. Because I've been obsessed with that ever since watching that show Unreal on Lifetime. Love that show. If you haven't watched it, do yourself a favor. Waste 13 hours of your life. It's delicious, and it's all about the producers behind the scenes of a reality show. And how dramatic and juicy it is and how they stab everybody in the back. And of course, that's Lifetime and this is Nadine. So I wanted to see how close shooting a reality show is to the reality of the drama about shooting a reality show. Isn't that meta, y'all? That's a run and theme in this meta. Okay, thank you so much for listening to this. Thank you to Nadine Rajabi, who is @NadineRajabi on Twitter. And thank you to Kate Chastain. Who's that Kate Chastain on Twitter? I love you girls. I had so much fun talking to you. This is basically just a three-way talk on a Skype session. So it sounds a little weird at times. The quality's not perfect. And there's some kind of like sound. I don't even know where that's coming from. Someone's phone or something. But we have a great time listening to this very special episode of Watch What Crapin's Below Deck of Below Deck. This episode begins as most episodes do. It's a lot of random noise in the background. You might hear my dog barking, but it's funny. Every podcast there's a dog barking. Yes. Somebody's or a leaf flower. I was going to say, I had a leaf flower last time and I heard it back and I was like, whoopsies. Yeah, but we do too. And no matter what, no matter what time we record, the fucking leaf flower is always out there. So good. Leaf flowers happen every single day. I'm like, what are they blowing? I think it's a power trip. It is a power trip of these lawn people because they hate their job in real life. So they put on their headphones and they feel they're like, right now I am ruining the lives of everyone around me because I can. They're not even blowing any. They're just blowing piles around. This is blow concrete. This is nothing. It's a power trip. I'm convinced. How about you get a vacuum instead of just blowing shit all over the place? You have a load of the lake. So good. They overused it. It doesn't take that long to blow. Trust me, I know. It's like having a maid that walks through your house with a fan and just blows all the dirt off of everything. Like it's just going to land on other things. They're just moving it around. All right. Let's start for roll. Hi, Ronnie. Hi, Nadine. Hi. Hi, Kate. I feel like I seek Kate every day. I know. I'm so sorry. I feel bad for you. You do a lot of the editing to Nadine. Explain your job to me because I was talking to someone this week about seeing the producers on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Uncensored and how it's so similar to the TV show on Lifetime Unscripted which talks about the producers. Oh, Unreal Unreal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's one of those things with that show. You're like, fuck, why did I think of that? It's genius because it's always the show behind the show that's so much more dramatic. But I have to say I'm below deck. It's probably the first show that it's been really smooth behind the scenes and it's all the screen is on camera. So it's an interesting show. And it's actually my favorite show that I've ever worked on because it's funny and I love comedy and it's really fast. It's so fast-paced and it's the most real thing because it's so fast. It's like literally Kate and everyone on the boat. They're doing their jobs and our job is to not miss anything. So we'll have at any given time three to four cameras on the boat plus they have surveillance rigged up. And in my mind because I've been on the other side of the camera and I'm like, I think I feel crazy if I had a camera following me 24 hours a day because we are shooting literally. I think it's 22 hours a day, sometimes 20 hours a day and then there's four hours where it's a lot of surveillance and then there's another person there with a camera in case something happens. So they have no privacy. So who takes care of all that footage in anything? Do the loggers? Is that what you call them? Sorry, loggers. That's what you're called? We have, yeah, so they, you know, we get all the footage and I would say it's funny when they first did the show with Bravo and I didn't start off with the show I was doing other series. I think that everyone was like, wait, wait, why is there so much footage? They didn't understand and it wasn't until this past year where we're like, we watch 140 hours of footage for every episode because it's all raw footage. So what we do is we take over one of the rooms on the boat and that's where we could see everything that's being shot and the kind of on surveillance. And we have story people that are literally take, they have an earpiece in watching what's happening and then there's another story person. So each story person takes almost like a cast member or like a mic and they'll go, okay, I'll follow Kate. And I wasn't in the field for Blow Deck 3. I was in the field for the spinoff but I was in charge of post and they had a story for Blow Deck 3. But what they'll do is like, they'll say, I'll take Kate. You take Amy because Amy's, I don't know, on the Sky Deck and Kate's in the galley. And so they're listening to conversations and they're literally these poor people are taking notes like from start to finish, they don't stop. And then there'll be some asshole like me going, what did they just say? What's happening? Oh my God, send a camera there. Oh my God, Kate and Leon are fighting again. Send a camera there and it's chaos. Oh my God, so you're that head bitch in charge of all the TVs on that Lifetime show? Well, there's the director and then I sit next to the director. His name's Laurent, he's a daytime director and then there was a nighttime one. For Kate's season, it was a Sky German who I didn't work with. We had somebody else first spinoff. But all I do is scream in his ear and annoy him. And he's, Laurent is the calmest little French man. So sweet, so like wants to get a beautiful shot but it's also possible to get a beautiful shot when you're running, following people fighting or a drink spilled or a grenadine oyster or somebody barfing or it's really crazy the way the show is because it's not only a house show, where you're almost basically, everyone's basically in one concentrated space but it's a doc use. You're following these people's lives, their arcs and then you've got a new, you know, a set of charter guests that come on every week and you're following their story. And they're kind of treated in the story of sense as a separate guest because every charter guest has a story. Somebody might be, like there's Dean, who Dean was a repeat guest, you know, from Kate and there was an evolution of, you know, Kate. - Oh yes, I know because Dean gave Kate that smile that I'll never forget. I think it's burned on my plasma. I told Kate the first time she was on here. I was like, don't smile like that. I don't like, it makes me uncomfortable. I'm like, I need you to not be the one smile. Like, okay. - It was so, I mean, it's so good. - It's so pretty. - You know, as far as, you know, there was the people that, you know, that are God, Alan Jr. and senior, who had the 50th birthday where Rocky jumped off the boat. Like, it's like, okay, we don't know as producers. The only thing we're given is we're giving a preference sheet from the charter broker, right? And it says, this is what these guys want. There's, you know, they're celebrating their 50th birthday and like production knows as much as like cast notes. So like Kate and I will get the same sheet. So there's nothing produced in advance. And so it's Kate's job and Kate can take it from here, actually, when you get that preference sheet, like you've got to like basically hustle, right? - Yeah, you're spaking it till you make it. And you eventually get to know them, but unfortunately you get to know them the day they're leaving. (laughs) - Yeah. - And I have to say, I saw the space that the production had to live in for those six weeks we were filming. It's not large. It's a lot of people in a small room. So to be a fly on that wall, it would really be entertaining. - So you, I can't believe you guys are all actually on the boat. How many of you are there, Nadine? And I'm not including, well, I guess you would include everybody, like the lighting guys, everybody, right? - Well, yeah, we have shifts. So we have a morning crew that starts at either 5 a.m. or 6 a.m. Sometimes 7 a.m. depending on, you know, what time they end of the night before. They stay on for 12 hours. And then usually the executive producer comes on, they call it mid-shift, which covers half of the morning and half of the night. And then, so when morning, and I come on around 11, and so the morning shift ends at five, so I'm seeing, I basically come on the boat. They give me a download of what happened in the morning. And then I'm there overseeing that morning crew. And then night crew comes on around four, five o'clock. And then there's a quick story meeting of, here's what happened in the morning, here's what happened in the afternoon, because they get on with a water taxi, basically. And so when they get on with a water taxi, they literally have 10 minutes to do a download of, you know, Katelyn, I got in a fight. Eddie and Rocky, like, weren't talking because, you know, she jumped off the boat and he's pissed off at her. And then there's this quick exchange. They're off the boat, I stay on, and I'm usually there from 11 to 11. If shit's hitting the fan, then I'll stay on until the night shift ends at like 4 a.m. But which those nights are crazy, but, and hopefully-- - So that was your day and night? I can just imagine sitting down there with everybody laughing your ass off as ding gets more and more wasted. - Right, but here's the thing with, I think with the Caribbean season with, and I was not in the field for this, I mean, from what I heard, Katelyn, you guys actually went to bed. Like, in the med with the franchise, which they've announced, but we can't talk about who's on it yet, those guys stayed up all night. So it was, 'cause they're-- - Yeah, I kind of heard a few stories. Sounds like they had fun. - Yeah, I was like, do these people ever sleep? Like, I would-- - Of the crew or the cast? - Cast. - That's so amazing. - 'Cause all you have to do is put them to bed. So like, we chill for a minute, 'cause we're on high alert 24, like, we're like, what's happening? What's going on? - But they were all partying the whole time. - Yeah. - Oh! - See, there you go. You guys had to happen. Bueller, stop, really, Dolly. - You guys went to bed, didn't you? - Yeah, pretty much. I mean, you know, we stayed up some nights, but nothing too crazy happened after hours. Now, I have a question. From all the reality shows we've worked on, does below deck, like, is it extra difficult because you guys are tendering off and on? It must be so much more difficult for you all. - Yes, it is, 'cause on other shows, if you're just doing a docu or let's just say, if it's a competition show and it's moving around, you know, you've got location or location. On a regular docu, we're like, okay, we're gonna follow, I don't know, like, you know, these three people shooting three scenes and you're just driving to these things. You shoot for two or three hours. If it's a party scene, you're shooting there all night and you have both crews there. With below deck, like, I wake up, I've got to make it to, like, I, and I, listen, I'm always running late. I'm on version time all the time. So, like, I can't be late because the water taxi leaves without me and goes out to the middle of the ocean and I'm screwed if I miss that water taxi or they have to wait for me 'cause I'm the executive producer and then I'm the asshole that made everyone late. - And sometimes the weather isn't even that good. Like, I literally felt so bad for seeing the crews arrive, like, damp, they had to go through rain, winds, like, so that's your morning commute or your commute afterwards, it's horrible. - Brutal, exactly, Kate. And especially at night of 4 a.m., when you're coming back and the water, it's not, like, it's not like you need to get in the car. It's like, you're out there in the middle of the ocean and you're getting rained on, it's freezing, it's choppy. I mean, it's gnarly. We had one in the Med, one of my producers, my Co-EP, she's like needing, I threw up seven times 'cause she was so seasick and she's like, I don't normally get seasick, she threw up seven times. I'm like, how did somebody even throw up seven times? Like, how do you have that much food and you're still like to throw up seven times? - But it gets, the Med is extra choppy, but I know that Kate's season had a, they did not have good weather and there was always wind and it was like, we're shooting so many things when we're editing, we're like, oh my God, it's raining again and so like part of our job and edit because on TV, you can't really see, okay, these guys are bone because of the weather. Like when the housewives came on, they had to stay on the boat and they couldn't leave because of weather, but like, if you're watching it, you don't really get that same effect until we're showing you shots of look how raining is outside or windy is outside. - Well, also, it's just the sheer amount of time. I mean, when you're stuck in a room with Cynthia Bailey alone and just like a group of people staring at their Instagrams, I mean, you guys, that's rough. I didn't feel bad for the housewives, I definitely felt for the team on that one. I mean, what were you guys looking? - Right, could you guys have their work as hard, right Kate? - Well, if I had been in any other group of guests, it would have been awful, but these women were just so content to chill out and check their Instagrams and Twitter's that it was the perfect match, weather and guest. So good. - What if there's a reality store, like a reality show in the Lacey boys? Like, look at people just laying there, reading their phones, we'd probably watch that shit. - It's called people's couch. - Exactly, exactly. - Well, they at least make comments. - Oh man, they're funny. They're so funny. - So good. - They are so funny. I saw you tweeting at them. Did they say anything back to you because you should definitely be sitting there. - Oh yeah, Scott Nevins and Emerson Collins and the boys, and then also the girls that are hilarious. - Those girls are hilarious. They have their own bravo show now. - The spiky hair lesbian girl. - Yeah, don't they have that. They do the Vanderpump after show, right? - Oh good, they deserve it, they're hilarious. - They are so funny. Someone posted a clip in them 'cause I don't watch people's couch. I've only watched it a couple times. And I really like it, but I just watch other stuff. Anyway, they were, anyway, who cares about this? Go on that show. - Do it. - It would be amazing. It'd be so fun. - What was interesting to me, and I don't think that you guys covered this. I mean, you guys covered how Kate got on the show. Kate's a phenomenal writer. And I'm not just saying that to somebody that I work with. I'm like, I mean, Kate, the reason I started doing the show is second season, there was a marathon. And the first season they tried to get me on because there was some stuff that was going on at it. And I was busy and I couldn't do it. They didn't reach out to me second season. I was on another show and like they had it going. It was smooth. And then I caught up with a second season marathon and I was like, oh my God, Kate is so funny. This show is so funny. And it was rocket ship where I was like, I've got to do the show. So then I reached out to one of my execs 'cause I've been working for probably what, six, seven years now. And I'm like, hey, I said, what's going on with Blow Deck? And they said, why do you want to do it? I'm like, yeah, are you kidding me? And they're like, it's yours. I was like, come on. They're like, no, I'm like, holy shit. That'd be my dream. 'Cause it's comedy, it's on a boat, it's active. It's not people just sitting around. Listen, I love a show that has girls sitting around drinking a latte and talking drama. But I've had enough of that for a little bit so it was such a nice change up for me because I was kind of at that point where I'm like, am I going to take time off just for my stand up or am I going to do this? And so, how many shows have you been exactly on like executive producer on? I started off as a supervising producer and then I worked my way up onto executive producer. I think I've done 11 Bravo shows, 10 or 11, I know. Oh my God. It's a lot. And then I've done a lot of after shows for them, which was a whole other thing, but-- Oh yeah, you were doing the interviews in the bathtub? Yes, and then I did another after show for them. I tried to convince them to do it in the bathtub again. They're like, no, we want to make us more straightforward. I'm like, you guys, the bathtub's right. So I actually pitched it for Blow Deck next season. And I was like, well, we can do it in the water taxi. And they're like, OK, Nadine. I'm like, no, it'd be amazing. I go, how funny would Kate and I be? Who are like, yes, it would be funny. So they're talking about it. When do we get a Nadine show? Is that something you would ever do? Oh my God. Reality or talk-- I would do a talk show. You know, like a loosely scripted-- yeah, talk show. I would do anything. That would be my dream. That was what I wanted to do when I was eight years old. And that's still-- I'm not-- the dream's still alive, right? Yeah, keep that dream alive. I think it's very realistic and attainable, hopefully. And in your future. Well, you guys are always thinking of new reality shows. And I'm not even making a joke that it might be good to have a crew following around a crew, following around the people. That show is hysterical. That show would be-- that's the-- Because Unreal is such a good show. So I don't know how you could do that, if that's too meta or what, but-- It is very meta. Because already, Below Deck is like a reality show about behind the scenes. So now we're like going behind the scenes with the behind the scenes. Well, now we're about to talk about the reunion. So we're a show talking about a reunion, which was a show talking about a show. Or a show. Like, meta got deep, guys. Wow. As they would say on Below Deck, that's deep. Where's my totem? OK, so let's move on to the actual reunion show. Wait, would you say? Because I'm an over-talker. Would you say girl? Kate can take her from here at the reunion. I mean, there's a lot that happened. There's a lot that could have put in an edit, because, I mean, Kate, you guys shot for over four hours. Like, I think it's a-- Just for like eight hours or six hours. Yeah. That like, whoa. Well, on some of the housewife shows, they'll fall asleep on the couch. Or, you know, Ramona fell asleep one time. Or they just get so mad that they start going ape-shit, because they're there sometimes. Some of them said, like, well, we've been here 18 hours. What's the longest one, Nadine, that you've heard? Because you've got a lot of friends who work on those. I've heard it was that it's been clear over 12 hours. But here's what I have to say about those housewives. And sorry, housewives was about a dig. Try being on the low deck, like a cast member, because they are working 24 hours a day. Like, that's their life every day for six weeks. I put stickers on nail polish. Don't say I don't wear it, bitch. Gretchen, it's like the housewives. They just put stickers on things. OK, what do you think about that being followed 24 hours a day? Like, does that get crazy? Yeah, I think if we had the luxury of having a little bit of off-camera time, you know, certainly, I think my hair would look better more often. But also, I think it adds to the drama of the show and why it's so popular, because it makes us crack faster. Yeah, it's a pressure cooker. Oh, you've got to be going crazy. When they were showing that clips in the reunion of the fire and everybody is running around, and the camera guys are right there, and you're just trying to get them the hell out of the way. I love that. It's a fire, and they're standing in your way. I'm like, sorry, I had to get close there. I think that's a good thing to talk about right there, is the fire and the reunion. Yeah. Well, let's start at the very beginning. There's a lot happening. There's a lot happening in place to start. Yes, miss. Sound of music. Thank you. Thank you for a musical that made me nice and calm at the very beginning. Like a musical, it should always start with a song. It's almost alive with the sound of assholes. The first thing I wrote down happens way later in the show, but I had to write down, when you get caught with your tit and a ringer, my favorite. My favorite Captain Lee is them of all time. It was just so out of left field and so great. So funny. What does that mean? What's a ringer? Do I want my tit in it? Maybe. A ringer, I think-- I mean-- We wouldn't know because it's all fashion because it's mops. Oh. What is it? Mops. A ringer. Oh, right. Like a deep blower used to be a-- Oh, what? How would you get your tit caught on that? I mean, I'm a maid on a boat. And if I had a ringer, I just can't imagine a circumstance professionally. But maybe in the laundry room. Wrong profession. Yeah. Or if you're a nursemaid or something, because it makes me think of putting your tit in the mop bucket thing that you squeeze. So maybe they do it like towels. Like you're making pasta or like a play-doh fun factory. Do you remember you put in? Yes, and you leave with rocks and socks. I'm a solid A cup, so I don't think my tits are going to be falling into any rangers. OK, look, just because I'm hosting something with Bravo people, I have to be the Andy and say, let's talk about your boobs, which I mean, what the hell? So I have to say, this-- it makes me crazy every time he does it. And the only reason I'm doing it and being a hypocrite is because the first thing I noticed, I was like, it is so nice to not see fake tits up to people's nose, because every other reunion I watch is a housewife reunion. And their boobs are seriously suffocating them. Yeah, I actually a spandaged mind down just for a to-be contrarian. I kind of have to wonder if Captain Lee have been like talking down to Eddie. What he has said, like get caught with your dick in the ringer. Because that's something I could imagine happening, maybe. It's a little hurt. Yes, it just hangs down. It just-- yeah, it's fair. Mio would be like, I've done it before. I tried to date that ringer. It led me on the squeeze and the dick. I was going to say something, but I have to be impartial. I was going to make a joke about Eddie's dick in a ringer, but I can't say it. I'm going to be right. And Mio's like, I put my dick in the ringer six times last night. Anybody know why the ringer's tired? Anybody? I don't even know what that saying means, but it's forever going to be the captain's penis in a ringer. OK, so-- His face are amazing. I mean, they really are. They-- yes, the best. OK. I don't know. How do you know where he's going to go? Because there's like a whole segment of his sayings. And then he goes off at one point. Well, he goes off, I think, at three points during this. I just want the captain to be the new-- I mean, no offense, Andy. But I want him to be the Andy for every reunion. Because having the captain on the housewife show would be a mix. Hilarious. They have cancer. Well, you don't say you have cancer. To me, you're full of crap. What do you say about that, Missy? Right. [LAUGHTER] And they don't answer. It's like a caption, word-of-the-day calendar, or like phrase-of-the-day calendar. And it's like January 1st. Tint in the ringer. Use in this situation. January 2nd. Drag your dick through 10 miles of broken whiskey bottles. He should do his own urban dictionary. He should do his own calendar. Yeah, man. OK. Wednesday has been a rigmarole of flying bicks in a circle. Yeah. And then we can have an Amy one where they're all wrong. [LAUGHTER] I know Nadine does a show on MTV, an improv show. And they have rap battles. Haven't you done that? Have you done that so, Nadine? It was a long time ago, yes. Years ago. I remember random things. I'm sorry. But it would be amazing to have a rap battle, but just saying it's between the captain and Amy. [LAUGHTER] You're emptier than a woman up in a maternity ward the day after. It's amazing. You know my favorite was when you guys last week said, Amy gets everything wrong. Welcome, Felicia. [LAUGHTER] Hi, Felicia. Hi, Felicia. I love Amy. A general Amy comment for this, if she was-- you guys, my mic is falling all over, sorry. She was so serious and calm. What the hell? She always liked that? Is she only so energetic in my brain? Because I was expecting her to be like, ha, guys. And she was like, hello. I think that when she's not working, she's putting on a happy face for guests. But it was a stressful season. And I think she knew it was about to get kind of combative. So she has had her four-face game face on. Well, she had a beautiful-- She looked stunning, yeah. Oh my god, when it opened and her legs were perfectly crossed in her ball gown. I was like, now, that's a housewife right there. Yeah, that's that patch of Texas girl we love. But she had such a serious thing. It was like a darker vibe for Amy. And I thought, maybe this is going to be like Breaking Bad, where it starts with Amy like, hey, everybody. And by the end, she was like, chopping heads off and throwing them overboard and stuff. Like she finally reached her point, where she was going to take happy and just melt it down. She broke, if mask came off. And that's the biggest thing is her big, aggressive moment was like, oh, well, her salad was good, right? That was as sticky as she could get. That was so funny. Seeing the leaves that she pulled out of a bag and put in a bowl, yeah. Well, it was so funny because they were like, well, what about the raw chicken? Rocking, she's like, yeah, well, I mean, I had 45 minutes. And you're like, the chicken sushi? OK, that was mean. Like what? Sushi's healthy. What did I say? People love sushi. What the hell? I thought it was going for, my bad. Every other question of this reunion was Teraki. I mean, it would be like, so let's talk about the anchor. Rocky, what did you think about the anchor? It's like, oh my god, every other thing they kept coming back to Rocky. So I'm just setting that up now because people are going to be like, why do you keep talking about Rocky? Because it was-- talks about the whole time. All right, half the rolls, guys. OK, so Captain Lee-- oh, Emil in his grandpa's suit. That was the cutest thing ever. Also, he has a huge grandpa. Oh my god. He was healthier than he was. He was pretty mouthy this reunion. And he-- He was like the rain man. Right. Right, yes. He would go into these super articulate, eloquent thoughts and then go talk about partying and masturbation. It was like, he would go in and out of rain man, genius, and then just back to total cocky young guy. That's exactly what I watched it because I wasn't in-- I wasn't at the reunion with them. I was just-- I was doing the edit. And I was like, whoa, Emil. He's a lot smarter than I thought. And then-- and it was-- and I would just laugh. I was like, wow, he sounds really articulate. I was really proud of him. He was like glimmers. Yeah. There were-- I think he would remember what he was going to say kind of late. If I ever do that, I'll just stutter and blah, blah, blah, which I'm sure you both already know. And then it'll come to me and I'll get it out really quick. I'll remember. And you can see that little light turn on behind his eyes. He was like, oh, I remember what I was going to say. It was wrong of you to lead me on. Because before, he's just like, well, I was shocked. I was surprised. And then I thought, whoa. Because I was shocked. And then I thought, whoa. And he's like, again, also, it probably hurt his feelings because that wasn't nice to just run to another man. He's like, oh, yes, you hurt my feelings. It would have been nice if you didn't. I was like, oh, suddenly you're in like a-- I was going to say a Jane Campian movie, but that's the gorilla lady, right? I know. Chink it all. Yes. Oh, Chink it all. This is probably what Nadine feels like watching our footage. She's like observing this rare species of wild animal in the national-- She's living in an odd, grown-together hut underwater, just watching the wildlife. You know, when we get bored and edit, and this is not a-- we actually don't do it with Kate, but sometimes the funnier characters will-- we do Castioki. So we'll basically talk in their voice and their characters. And so we did a lot of a meal. We would do Amy a lot. And we loved how she said a meal. She was like, a mill. Yeah, a mill. She did a lot of the onion too. The thing about a mill is it's been nine months. I know. We would die. We were like, oh, Amy. She's probably-- she probably thinks that she's the only one giving him the respect enough to pronounce it properly. He says it in a meal because he has an exe in her mind. Back to him like that. You'll probably have seen it right. [LAUGHS] OK, let me see. I took so many notes on this. I just kept talking about Rayman. I just kept typing. So now I'm just reading a book about Rocky looking up at the air. OK, so shit hit the fan in this. Right at the beginning, I think just because everyone was ready to be asked things. And so the answers were so defensive. I mean, I'm talking about Rocky. I'm just trying to be fair, but it got so defensive so fast. He's like, so Rocky. Mary and Bethesda Darryland wants to know, why do you keep looking at the ceiling when you talk? She's like, uh, there's like butterflies. Maybe there's butterflies. And Kate's a bitch. Oh my god. She came out hot. She came ready to go. And no one laughed or anything. And then people just kind of repeated what she said. And Andy was like, oh, butterflies, huh? Yeah, butterflies, what do you think? That was like when everybody treats like shit. See butterflies. Whoa, whoa. Well, it's just interesting because clearly that was like a main social media question, like the biggest question. So clearly, she had to know it's going to be asked. And that was the best premeditated answer she could come up with. Butterflies. Yeah, sparkly butterflies. I think that she was just trying to be fun and light, but she has such-- she sewed her tone was so defensive that it just comes off as awkward. So does she have like any friends among the cast and crew? Like when you guys aren't talking, but you know, when you guys aren't shooting, is anybody hanging out with her? Is she a part of the group or how does that work? No, and I'll go ahead and tell you. I mean, we all got asked, you know, who we keep in touch with on bravo.com. And she gave this long-winded answer. And then later said that they were all lies, or she called them jokes. I couldn't tell when I read that because that was a big thing. Like, yeah, that was spread all over. And for those of you who haven't read it, everybody did-- where are they now? Type article on Bravo, where they just said what they're doing. And of course, Kate's has written like-- and then I was on a-- I'm beautifully written just talking about your life. You know? And then it gets to her. And she's like, well, I was in an ashram in India. And then I was like, well, you know, I'm too good at this. I was like, maybe I'll be a scuba diver. And then I jumped out of planes. Then I was in a circus. And then we did-- It was all this stuff. It was like 10 jobs. And she's back on a yacht now. But I thought she-- I couldn't tell she was being funny or not, honestly. Yeah. She's sensational in everything she does. So nobody really hangs out with her in reality. I think that she did come to Lauderdale and hang out with Emile. And meanwhile, Emile is Facebook messaging me. I am so sorry. She is so annoying. And like, what do you think that is? Do you think that he just does that so he can stay in your good graces? Or do you think that he does that as far as, you know, like he really does enjoy hanging out with her? And he just doesn't want to be, you know, out of the other side. Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. I think that Emile really does have a kind, naive, sweet heart. And he wants to be friends with everybody. But I think at that moment, she was being overbearing and annoying. And like, he has apologized to me. But at the same time, he didn't really stick up for me too much of the reunion. So I think he's just trying to keep it real even towards everyone. Yeah. Honestly, is someone who just loves to watch fights and talk shit about them for hours? I really-- I don't think you needed anybody to stick up for you because her attacks are so oddly just kind of complaining about work. That's what I find this show. I find about-- I love this show because it's so different. Like, when you told her, it's not personal, it's work. Like, this is work. Because every time I'll say something like, well, you didn't do anything right, and you didn't do your job. And then when you're called out on it, you still won't do it. She's like, that's mean. Like, everybody's mean to me. You know, like, it's not about being mean. It's just, I'm just telling you to do your job, you know? [INAUDIBLE] And it's kind of what I love about it because it's really not a personal-- No, and actually, after being called, like, bitchy after my first season, I was overextending myself, trying my nice thing myself. I'm not going to let this crazy pants make me look bad. So it was kind of frustrating that she still did when I went out of my way to be extra nice and she didn't deserve it. Well, you guys have been-- Have you guys gotten in many Twitter spats? Because I'm not, like, huge. I don't go on Twitter that much. But of course, people post stuff. And so-- Well, you know, for me, Twitter is really fun. It's like words to do go. It's like, how can you make a joke and put it in 140 characters? And I'm not-- you know, I like writing little puns. I like words. And I like being funny. And nothing I said about her was too malicious. And it was all definitely true, which I think makes it funnier. But I don't think she appreciated it. So I'm sure there were some tweets and some articles about that it was pued. But for me, it was just funny. What was she writing to you? Because Andy read some of yours during the reunion. Oh my god, I almost shit myself when she was like-- she was like, what about the mean tweets? I was like, I will stand behind. And each week I wrote. And then Andy's like, well, we've got some right here. Let's read them off. I was like, oh, OK. Because out of context, I would do live tweeting during the show. And there was one where I was like, you know, I see why Rocky and Leon are friends. They're both bunny boilers. It's because Leon had made rabbit for dinner that night. So it was kind of like-- it went with the show, but it's not necessarily something I would just write out of thin air. So but I still stand behind it. You're like, that girl sure is treading water. And she's like swimming in the water. People are like, how could you say that? She also made it when he was actually told not to make it. And listen, I was supposed to be impartial, but that's the truth. So that's not being detrimental. And you know, I'm really glad that the one about-- I was so surprised when I saw Rocky's mermaid tail, because she doesn't distract me of someone who likes to keep her legs together. Now, I think that's funny because it's like more saying how mermaid tails keep your legs together. I wasn't necessarily implying anything else. Ooh, whatever, liar. I mean, like, of course you're saying she's kind of a hoe, but it's-- I mean, it is funny, but it's-- I'm going for the joke, really. I don't know. I guess I'm used to on housewives. They'll like try and ruin each other's lives, OK? Like-- They suit each other with Twitter. And these are like-- these are just-- we're getting upset about jokes. They will literally like play our thing, and call the blah, and talk about something that's been cheap. I mean, they-- they-- they really really mean so. I mean, something's something wrong with making a hoe joke, especially when you're, you know, sleeping or flirting-- hitting on all the guys, because that's when that came up in the-- in the shows. I'm not sure if someone was hitting on the guy. I'm just another thing in my defense. Sorry to interrupt, but, you know, I don't have that many Twitter followers, and the things Rocky said about me, we had what, 2.3 million-- I'm sorry, my menial Twitter following. That was so funny. Which some people that follow me on Twitter are like, say you're calling me menial? I was like, no, no, no, no. But I'm just saying, like, in comparison, I feel like-- To the grand scheme of-- Yeah, in the big picture, Rocky-- It's not like Obama slut-shaming somebody on-- Yeah, she had a larger audience and said worst thing, so I don't really feel bad. Well, yeah, that's what-- that's what my question is, because I'm not-- it's not a loaded question, because I haven't read-- I don't really read Twitter. I don't understand how to follow the chains. I'm like too stupid for Twitter. So I just didn't know if she had tweeted you stuff, too, because I just noticed that he talked about yours, but then he didn't say any of hers, and I thought, well, she's got to have some. Yeah, you know, Twitter is really good for people who enjoy words and strings together sentences. Hers are more like dancing snapshots. OK, yeah, I was going to say, there's always a GIF, where you could just flip somebody off or feel like, you know-- [SCREAMS] Yeah, I mean. OK, so anyway, sometimes I walk away with the villain or that character on a show where I'm mad. Like, I'll be so, so angry, but I guess I've told you this before with her. I don't really get mad. It just seems like she's just kind of a kid, you know? And I just pat her on the head, and I'm like, you're an idiot. Now, please be quiet until you're in a better mood, and then we'll go get ice cream, you know? That would be great. Yeah, you can't get too mad at something like a child, because you just realize you're not capable of anything else, but it certainly was difficult in the work environment. You had-- you went through a couple of moments where, first of all, you'll do the finger talk. Like, here's my point, and you'll, like, do the finger circle and then stop it in their face. Love that. That's how I know I'm upset I do it in real life. Like, oh my god, put it away. Oh, it's like, here it comes. Oh, the finger circle. I cannot speak today with the help. The finger circle's coming. I love that. And then at one point, you put both of your hands to the face, and you were like, you just need to stop talking. And I made a gift of it for you to use in all your texts, because I know you're a gift lover as well. Love, yes. I didn't know I was such a justiculator. I am like, crazy hands sometimes. I had no idea. It's really-- You know, no, it's not crazy hands. The reason I notice it is because I do it a lot. And when I catch-- my hands will come up on camera, but I have, like, humongous hands. Like, seriously, huge hands. That's me doing my hands on my feet. So people will literally tell me if I would do something on camera, they're like, don't lift your hands, because it ruins the whole thing. You know, it's just distracting. It's like a little baby head coming up. My hands, like, they have photobomb every picture. Yes, yes. So whenever I see somebody using their hands, like, to make a point, I'm like, I'm so jealous of you, Kate Chastain. Yeah, just regulation and be. I got it. Yeah, but I'm making you some gifts. I'm making you a gift package for Thanksgiving. You better use them. Thanks, Giffing. Thanks, Giffing. That's awesome. Do you have tons of gifts already? Do you have, like, a lot online? I have a few. And it's the first time I ever saw one last season. I was like, aw, this must be when it's like to see your first child. It's like a little tiny version of yourself. It's the New York Times. I've been kissed. Yeah, so-- OK, I'm going through my notes, notes, notes, notes. What was the big-ish here? The big fight here was the fire. OK, so let's just get into the fire, Gass. It was kind of the same thing we had heard on the show. The way that you explained it, Kate, was hilarious, because you're like, look, you don't know how to turn on a DVD player. And I don't know how to make popcorn. So I was like, let's trade. You make the popcorn, and I'll do the DVD player. And I thought that was so funny. It's like trading-- Well, how it happened? I know, but it's trading the silliest jobs to get in a fight over or to start a fire over, you know? I'll start a DVD player. I started the DVD player. They watched a movie, and I came down, and everything was on fire. It's like, I leave you alone for seven minutes. Let the records show that the people watching the TV did not all start on fire. We're not bursting in plants. Did you freak out, can I know we've talked about this a little bit, but have you ever had a fire on a boat? No, I've never. I've been trained, actually, in a-- no, it does not look like this in the footage. I've gone to fire safety yacht school twice. And I've had to wear the suit and actually fight the fire. And it's horrible and difficult. But I've never had one on a boat. So I really kind of was overwhelmed. And then I remembered-- the one thing I remembered from fire school was, you can't use certain extinguishers on certain kind of fires. You'll make it worse. So my big fear was that I was going to use an extinguisher and make and explode the boat. Of course, they make freaking different kinds of fire extinguishers to get. Come on, guys, make it easy. Right? And then I didn't even know where the fire extinguishers were. Yeah, I panicked completely. I freaked out watching all that stuff. Sorry, I run it. I mean, stuff on you. But watching all that raw footage of how everything went down. And the whole time I'm like, what are they just doing? What the fuck is going on? I was so-- it was as if it was right there. And I was like, I was just thinking of Kate. I was thinking of Eddie. I was thinking of Rocky, of the amount of panic. Because it's not like you're just in a kitchen at your house where there's maybe a grease fire. You're on a floating vessel. So you can't just run out on the screen. It catches on fire. The whole thing could go in flames. That's flammable fiberglass. And also, it was kind of an imperfect, perfect storm of conditions, because the popcorn burned. So I think we would have noticed-- or I can't smell-- but I think they would have noticed the fire in the oven sooner, because they would have smelled it. But they assumed it was from the popcorn. So it probably went on longer than it should have. Oh, so they just thought it was probably-- Yeah, from the microwave. And then there's also smoke from the oven that you didn't notice, because you thought it was just in the microwave. Captain put it perfectly. It was oil, period. You know, the big thing we were trying to figure out is like, you know, Leon was trying to-- and this is just from a producer standpoint, because we're just watching it happen, is like-- and Kate, you watched it afterwards, because you're obviously not there when Lee's talking to Leon. It's like, he was trying to pin it on you by saying you're drinking. It's like, well, that's not how a fire happens. And it was just him trying to throw you under the bus. And I-- you know, it's like, you know, you weren't drinking, but let's just say-- let's just say you were-- that doesn't start a fire. Well, you could have been a meth-head, but the oven would still be dirty. That's right. I saw a really funny tweet from a fan last night. It's like, you know, if wine caused his fire, I would have burned down about 30 houses this month. [LAUGHTER] So I mean, do you think-- I mean, when you watched that, how did you feel when Leon set up-- Oh, I was shocked. I was shocked because the day he left, I was like, what happened? What happened? And nobody told me that he had said that. So I didn't find out that any-- that was even an issue until I watched it with everybody else, with the rest of the world. So I was super surprised that I didn't-- Oh, my gosh. --before that. I'm sorry. I would have let you in. You can tell someone's new at working when they are going against wine and a coffee cup in the first place. Like, darling, it's called working in the day. Do you want me to carry around a glass? Because I'd look-- I'd look ridiculous. I mean, it's hard as a producer as you watch all this stuff of like, how do you tell-- like, how do you tell the story? Because this went on. Kate, I mean, you could tell-- how long-- there was a fire, then there was a line of questioning. So this went on for over a day between the fire and line of questioning. So how do we, as producers, like, put this together to have it make sense, not falter what the truth is, and shrink it down? And that was really hard because it was like-- because in my mind, when I was watching the Leon Lee thing, I was like, wait, so is he blaming her for drinking? So that's the fire? Like, I was so confused because he was trying to-- and I was like, oh, he's dancing around it. And so-- but it's one of those things where you really can't be inaccurate when you're putting it together because that's actually a big thing. Somebody got fired over it. So it's like, it's-- or, you know, it's-- and Lee fired Leon. But it's like, you know, like, it could have cost Kate a job. It could have cost someone-- you know, it had someone else been to it. Well, what do you do in situations like that? So if you know-- if you know exactly what happened, and let's say everything turned out wrong, and the captain said, oh, you're drinking your fire. Here's your Southwest ticket. You're a group C. I-- what would happen? Well, we can't interfere. We can't interfere if Lee made a sad decision. He's a cat from the boat. If he made-- if Leon, let's just say, was right. And, you know, if-- you know, if he picks up wings and he was right. And that one, but it's like, I can't-- there's nothing. I can interject. You know, there's nothing you could do. Well, since-- Rock-- since Leon said that, you know, Leon went up to the captain and said that. Uh, was Kate-- I mean, not Kate. I'm so sorry. Was Rocky the one who told him that in the first place? Because she has the story about seeing the coffee cup with the wine and the stuff. So did she go to Leon and tell him? And then he brought it up with the captain? It wasn't on camera. So that's where we get inconsistencies of a story. Because when we're watching footage, because we don't have-- and this is not a cop-out. This is the truth, is we only have three cameras on the boat at one time, and then a fourth if an assistant cameraman picks up. And only certain rooms of the boat are rigged. That's why Eddie and Laundry would go to the laundry room-- or sorry, Eddie and Rocky would go to the laundry room. Eddie and Laundry. Because there was no cameras there. And so it's not rigged. So, you know, we're lucky if we catch it. But that's also why we didn't really catch-- you couldn't catch them hooking up, because it wasn't rigged. So there's certain things that happen that you find out through conversation. And it's not a cop-out by saying that. That's the absolute truth if you go through scrubbed that footage. She never said that to Leon. It's like, you don't know what was said. We only catch half the conversation. And then you've got to rely on producers listening to their mic, saying, wait, what did they say? What did these people say? And it's literally-- it is a game of clue. And it's a lot of CSI. And also trying to back out of what the truth is and saying, OK, this person's lying. This person's not. And so it's a lot of split decisions of like, shit, like, I've got to make a decision right now who's telling the truth. And it's instincts a lot of it. Like, it's hard. And we're wrong. Like, we could be totally wrong. I mean, in this instance, we weren't. But there's been instances where we're like, shit, we're wrong in that situation. And also, there was a lot going on that day. Like, a fire alone would have been bad. Rocky jumping off the boat alone would have been bad. Being on charter with these guests would have been a lot of footage. Like, you guys had so much going on that day. I mean, I know I did. I was even having time to react. We were just trying to get through it despite all the craziness. Right. This season was so much crazier than last season. But was it easier for you with the adjustment because of all that? Yeah, definitely. Because I think last season I went in thinking this was more of a just documentary. Like, I wanted to show my best blanket fold, but not that one per se. But like, my best table settings, I thought it was like a glimpse into the profession of yachting. And I kind of realized it's more about the interpersonal reactions between the crew. So I didn't spend as much time with like the tiny details of a scavenger hunt that will never really matter. Just get them drunk. I like when things go bad. And Amy's like, I'm going to get them a shot. Amy, it's the cutest season. She's walking around talking to herself the entire time. Oh, my goodness, success. Hello. Hello. I love a balloon. Oh, this is just such a great charter. Does anybody hear me? Oh, my God, it's so good. Hello. And it's adorable. Thank you. Her answer to everything is so sweet. I love it. When the conversation turned to Leon and Amy said, but, honey, you were the one saying that stuff about Leon in the first place. And then it cuts to clips of Rocky saying like, yeah, like he doesn't know how to make a scallop because like a scallop is supposed to be round and then have like a glaze on top and hardness from a shell of a thing. Oh, she's going on about a scallop because she's seen chopped once and then it cuts back. And then it's just Amy being so nice. I just wanted you to be wonderful because I know you've got it in you, Amy. I know. I thought that it was fake for first season because how can anybody really be like that because it's so not who I am. But once I realized it's like, legit who she is, it's so cute. Yeah, she's a genuine, a genuine girl. Let's talk about Eddie and Rocky. Even we felt bad for Rocky at the end there. Do you think that she's like being just respected as a woman? No, I feel bad for both of them because I get cabin fever, Rocky's flirtatious, Eddie was having problems. So you kind of rebounded with her. It was fun. And when you're like keeping a secret hookup, it makes it even more exciting and fun. But just like with any hookup, once the new wears off, you're like, oh, I don't actually want to hook up with you anymore. And I could see why Rocky would be like, hey, what happened? I thought we're having a good time. But I can also see why Eddie was like, this chick's crazy. I'm just going to back away slowly, you know? Yeah, well, that's an important lesson. I think that America was taught. You don't ignore a crazy person. I think a lot of people maybe are too young to have seen fatal attraction. But like the whole reason Glenn close boiled that bunny in the first place is because he ignored her. He should have just said, you know, sorry, that's it. Well, there really was no right answer for Eddie at this point. What was he going to do? Say, hey, Rocky, I don't want to have sex in the laundry room anymore. That would have been on the show. 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I think had it been another girl besides Rocky, who didn't like want to, you know, once she was ignored, like throw him under the bus, perhaps he would have gotten away with it. But because it was crazy Rocky, she was like, oh no, you're not getting away with this. You hurt my feelings. I'm going to tell the world. Well, I get getting away with it as far as you guys are concerned because you've got to sleep sometimes. I mean, getting away with it as far as a reality TV crew following you around. Like, aren't they going to air that? They did it in the middle of the night. They did a really good job because Eddie, being the boss, Kate knows the boat inside and out. Everyone does actually. But Eddie really knows that boat inside and out. So they also know where the cameras are rigged. So if they see, listen, I'm not giving tips of how a crew gets away with stuff, but it's literally like if they see a night crew leaving, Eddie's probably like, listen, there's one guy back there probably not paying attention and surveillance is rolling. But like, if he's going in the laundry room and somebody's not paying attention to surveillance, they were both in the laundry room the same time. So that means either we're paying attention or we weren't. So I see. And also it's a unique situation where his bedroom had a direct entrance to the laundry room, you know? 'Cause he was in a guest suite, wasn't he, Kate? Yeah, he was in a guest suite because of who's needed the extra space. So that guest suite happened to have a watertight door that went directly to the laundry room. So he could go in and out without being like in the common areas. So was she going in through his, wasn't she going in through the laundry room and he was going in through his own door? Or were they both going in through? I know this sounds like the good wife. I'm so sorry to like cross-examine it, but now I'm curious. Yeah, it's too cautious. And also, so there's a two-door laundry room. One that went to Eddie's room and another one that was right against the staircase coming down to the crew mess. So they would shut that door and you can hear the, this is what I've been told, they could hear the footsteps coming down the stairs with the door closed so they could quickly abort mission. Oh, okay, okay, that's smart. 'Cause I thought that they caught her calling and he went and hit the camera star and saw her in the window. We caught Eddie, we caught Eddie going in a lot and all we had was Rocky going back and texting. So if Rocky's in the common area, we would never know that Eddie's going into the laundry room if we're not paying attention. Like he could be going in the laundry room 'cause he's going in the laundry room. We didn't realize-- Or he was just going out to do work 'cause that wasn't-- Or something. Right, he went through often. And you know what, this is a unique situation. Not a lot, I think had we used a different yacht for this season, I don't know where they would have done it. 'Cause not all laundry rooms have that unique, double entrance exit. Right, yeah, that is so smart, that's so sneaky. I did not know that he had a separate little entrance into that bathroom. No wonder. Yeah, like the girl we worked on in the med, and Ronnie, you haven't seen the teaser for the med yet. It's at the end of the reunion. But the boat we worked on for the med only, it's like, it was just a hole. So there's a camera in the laundry room, which there was with them too, but it was just a hole and you could only get in through the crew mess. So like, there's no other entrance. So anybody who walked past it, you knew that they were there, but not. Well, I think that when you're in anywhere, any different place, I mean, if you're on a plane or whatever, you're always gonna find this most secret place, it's not always gonna be the bathroom or the laundry room. Let us just say, I know that on season two, Kelly and Janice had some interesting hookup spots, which I never have considered in my yachting career, but I have to give them credit. They would hook up on the sundec, okay? On the sundec there's like storage on the side that is like four feet, no, maybe three feet tall and like three feet wide and it runs the perimeter of both sides and you store like barbells, yoga mats. They would go in there. - Oh my God, inside the storage? - Yes. - Oh my God, that's pretty genius actually. - And actually, I think-- - You can see that's good. I like it. - The build on this boat on Eros, I think it would have been a good spot too. It was pretty big. - Yeah. - Oh, I love it. - And there's snacks down there. I mean, come out like my sombrero, you know, Snickers bar, like just having a good time. I think that's where they really messed up. They should have done it since the build. - So you said that there is a camera in the laundry room. So was it just not catching it? - The way, I don't know, Kate, you could tell me, 'cause I wasn't on that boat. The way it was positioned, it was almost through the crew mess, it wasn't in on the other side of it, right? By the stairs. - Yeah, actually on Ohana, there was one fixed in the upper corner, just the laundry room. But on Eros, the way the boat was, it was too awkward of an angle. So it was like in the corner. And I am sure it had the ability to like move and rotate around. It just didn't at those times. - Oh, tricky. That's so funny, make it, it's like such a big conspiracy theory. - No, yeah, there have been times that you're changing in your room. And like maybe Connie and I were talking about something that, and then people listening to our mics who would like wanna hear it. And you know that they're starting to listen to you because the camera in the corner of your room would go and turn towards you. And you're like, "Oh, hey there." - It's so weird because it's funny. I went and talked to one of the cast members of our, the med show. And I was like, "How loud is that camera?" And they're like, "It's loud." I'm like, "I'm so sorry." It's like, that's why you could say, 'cause at that point as a producer, you feel like such a voyeur. And you feel like such a creep when you're like just spying on people. And then that's when you have that thing where you're like, what am I doing with my life? - No, no, I like that it's loud 'cause it kind of what gives you a heads up. If you don't apologize, it's like a little warning dog, like, careful listening. - Oh my God. - Some of the funniest things about this show we're in the editing. Nadine, do you sit there in the room for all of these edits? - Yes, I do. - I love that 'cause I didn't know you were on this show. And we always talked about how funny the editing is and how it has to be a comic. I love that you threw in little shots of him, of a meal masturbating. And we had more, we actually took a couple out, but we would die. I mean, the funniest one that nobody's caught, it's not even funny. It was just for a joke for me was, I think it was the episode before, I don't remember what episode it was, but before the fire, we had Leon opening the oven. - Oh, Snokey Robinson. - Yes, Snokey Robinson. - Oh, I caught every little thing. And I would text Erin, like, that was amazing. I can, you guys, there's no wasted minutes on the footage this season. I could tell a marked difference in the way you guys edit it. I was just so funny and good and nuances. - Yeah, and you'll catch little things that repeat during the season, but you'll catch 'em right at the beginning because you edit right up 'til the end of the season, right? - Yeah, there is still, I actually had to leave. I delivered the whole season up to a rough cut. I'd locked up to the 10th episode, which is where Rocky jumped off. And then at the "Housewives" episode. And then the two episodes after that, I got them to a good spot. And then the finale, I did to a rough cut and I had to be watching "Cuts" while I was in Greece, but it was a lot of work and I felt bad. I was like, "Hey, guys, I had to go shoot the spin-off." But it's a lot of hours. And those editors are, we have such a strong edit staff and such a strong story staff. And we have the supervising producer, Erin, who's just, she's been on since day one of the series and she just, she's all hard. She loves this series so much. And we had a lot of fun. It was just a lot of like, you know, and I think we were really lucky because the cast is great, like Kate's hysterical. Like if, so if we're watching something and we're like, okay, this is kind of dragging, what can we do? So we go into the interviews and we'll find something like, Kate would have something funny to say about this. And she would. Or when Ben came on, you know, in episode 10, we're like, okay, maybe there could be a funny Ben comment here because you always knew, if there's a lull in footage sometimes, that's the best opportunity to pull out the comedy because it's all just a lot of stuff. It gets exhausting, as you know. So it's just, we just really had fun. And then we had drunk Steve to kick off the whole series. I mean, Kate, he was the best charter guest in the history of charter guests. I mean, besides Dean, but like, drunk Steve was so funny. Oh, bless his heart. And you know, he came to Fort Lauderdale and took Captain Lee, Ben and I and Captain Lee's wife out to dinner. And then hadn't met him. So I was like, kind of like preparing him, like listen, that's a little crazy. It might get wild. And let me tell you, he was so calm. It was like, Jacqueline Hyde, I was like, is this Steve? We went through a civilized steakhouse with red wine. It was like almost boring. Was that really his girlfriend? That's my biggest question. Actually, when we went to dinner, which was about a May or so, he said they were so together. You know, I'm not sure what the definition of girlfriend is for them, but that's what they're saying. That's story and they're sticking to it. God, we try to reach out to him to be a guest on the, on the med and he gracefully declined. (laughing) Well, you know, he's been quite generous also. He invited us all out to Acapuco. And I think Captain Lee just got back. He flew out to Mexico mansion for a week and stayed with Steve. He got back like two days ago. And Captain Lee really wanted me to go, but it was like a thousand bucks round trip to go to Acapuco. And I was just like, I would feel like a little like I was working if I was like around, I don't know him that well, but the photos from Captain Lee's trip looked amazing. He's been quite the generous hosts, it seems. Oh my God. So we've got a couple of questions for you guys on the old Facebook. So this question is, have you met Captain Lee's wife? You know them both, right? You go to dinner with them and stuff. Oh my gosh, they're, they are so darling. I lived in Fort Lauderdale after the, this season briefly. And they kind of became like my adopted family down there. Like I could meet them for lunch. They had like my boyfriend in the time and I over for dinner one night. They are just so sweet. And they really are each other's best friends and biggest cheerleaders. And she is such a good sport because Captain Lee in Lauderdale is like larger than life. His license plate on his convertible Mercedes says, Captain Lee. So it doesn't. - Oh my God. - Yes, guys. - It does? - He rolls around Fort Lauderdale, top down Gold Mercedes. It says CA, PC, LE and people will like risk their lives mid 45 miles an hour to take a photo of Captain Lee in traffic. And in Florida restaurant, everybody wants to come up to Captain Lee and she is just so patient and such a good sport. - What is her? Yeah, what is her personality like? - I think he's a Persian, my God, of the Gold Mercedes. So it's amazing. She is just real giggly upbeat, smiley, but she's got a little bit of sass to her. Yeah. - Oh, I would think that she'd have to. I love that he drives around like that. That's so funny. 'Cause he seems like he wouldn't be flashy at all. - Damn, next time, I have to see it. - No, he's got like his hand resting on the driver side window with the gold bracelets in the watch. It's amazing. - Love his gold bracelet. His Florida jewelry, it's so good. - It's so Florida jewelry. And it's just so, he's like a caricature of himself. I think that's why he's such a big fan hit because he's like exactly what you would want a salty captain from Florida to be. Do you think that he's changed since when you first met him? Like, do you think that he's really like kind of like grown into his roles, captainly? That is as a person, you know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yes and no, I think. 'Cause you know, he didn't really originally sign up to be a cast member. He just had to be the legit captain of the first yacht they used him after that season. They were like, hey, you wanna keep doing this? You're kind of good at it. I think it just made him his inner self blossom. I don't think he's changed. I think he's just hung more into his own. - Do you guys know about next season, like who's coming back or not? When do you find out? Like, how does that work? Do you find out right before it starts shooting? How much time, how much advance do you guys give them, Nadine? - They don't get to, I mean, obviously they talk between cast members, but the way we do it as producers, we don't, because we want to keep it as genuine as possible. We don't let them interact. I mean, obviously, you know, certain people are coming back, they're gonna talk, but otherwise, like we don't let them see each other till the first day, like especially if it's a new cast. Like the Med, we really kept everyone sequestered in different hotel rooms, kept them away from each other because we wanna keep it as authentic as possible and not have stuff happen off camera because everything that happens, we want it to happen on camera, so it's genuine. And we're not like having to go, hey, remember you guys were talking about this off camera? - Can you do it again? - And on that same note, I think to keep it authentic, like they don't let us know if we're invited back till pretty close to the end. I think I had a conversation with one, not maybe in another producer, and he's like, "Well, Kate, we wanna keep it authentic." Like it's a show about yachties. We don't want you guys to become like reality stars in your mind. - Everybody who's a reality star on TV becomes a reality star, I don't think. What are you talking about? - I didn't wanna point that out, but I don't think I got my contract last year until Christmas Eve and I flew out less than two weeks later. - Oh, so it is really last minute. They're like, "Okay, that's a gas, go." - And I don't have anything to do with, the only thing I have to do with is, and obviously I came on out while these guys were shooting, but for Med, it's like they have their picks, and then we sit in a room and we look at resumes of, real resumes, not reality resumes, of like what their yachting experience is. Would they be a good first mate? Would they be a good Boston? Would they be, who are they, and how would they fit in the scheme of things? And so, it's really a process of like, what's gonna make the best boat crew. So they didn't cast Rocky or Stirby last year to say, "Hey, he's gonna be a great person that people are gonna hate and he's a liar." No, like he applied on his resume. You know, and that's a genuine thing. Like, Rocky's resume had said that she was a, you know, a stew chef, and you know, we know how that unfolded, so it's not-- - Oh my gosh, that's cool. I mean, I believe that she maybe went to culinary school briefly. I think a lot of her ideas, she probably worked at a restaurant, like a high-end restaurant, and she's like trying to make them her own. I bet there was some restaurant she worked out with. They served an oyster with some kind of pink garnish. And so, she was like, "Oh, okay. "Let me do what that restaurant did, "but I don't have that garnish, what's like it?" Same with the Oreos, like that one-- - I think it's all about chopped. I really do. I think that she's just watched a lot of shots because I know that a lot of people now are like, "Oh, I'm making eggs." Well, I've got some chocolate sauce 'cause people are chopped. They're like, "All right, here's some cat poop "and some sardines and a blender." And then they expect you to make something delicious. So people think everything's food now. It's like pencil shavings. I'm gonna put that in an omelet. No, it's not chopped. That's why those judges look miserable. - And I'm all about, you know, creative pairings. Like, there's on this chocolate-covered potato chip company in my hometown that I bring to every boat when I start, and people are like, "Ew, gross." But I'm telling you, it's amazing. So I'm all about unexpected ingredients, but then other times it just doesn't work. And I think it's too deep. But I think it's also like a millennial thing. SNL did this amazing scale of millennials, and it was like watching Rocky. It was like always Instagram-ing. And like, I need a vacation. I really need to go find myself. It's like, you've been here three days. I know. So can I just be like the photographer 'cause I'm really good at Instagram? I think I need a promotion. - Well, and that's what it is. I mean, a lot of people will say, "I'm starting an on, like the housewives." You know, this is all I watch. But like, I'm starting a fashion blog because I was a model one time. We're gonna go do a model shoot in front of sacks. It's like you're standing in front of sacks, and someone's taking a phone picture of you. - Right. (laughing) - That's the generation. My brother's a millennial. It's like, that's him, all over 100%. - But it's amazing how many people are actually making livings out of like, Instagramming their outfits. - The whole thing is just cracking me up. And I love this season. And of course, I'm sure you're gonna be on next season. There definitely is a next season, right, Nadine? - I can't officially confirm or deny that. I would say we had our best, we had our series high, like we had the most watched episode of The History of Low Deck with our finale. So I would say it's a pretty good sign. - Oh, that's awesome. - Yeah, it was amazing, 2.3. - Wow. - It's crazy. For what I've heard, I don't quote me on this, we are the most watched series on Bravo that's not a house-wise or house-wise franchise. - Whoa. - Which also makes me kind of nauseous. It's like, okay, 2.3 million people saw me freaking out and overworked, yay. - But doesn't that just give you such strength because you take shit online, I mean? - Yeah, I do. - What is that like? Does that really toughen your skin? - Oh, completely. But also I get some great comments and I also realize not to take those two seriously either, but it cracks me up, like when I, I'll talk to my dad and I'll be like, "Kate, I saw what this person said." I'm like, "Listen, just stop reading it. "Just don't read it, dad." - Get so protective and parents don't understand 'cause they just will see somebody getting bashed and they're like, "That's my kid." I have to protect them and you're like, "No, it's some troll living in a basement "and his mom's garage." Like, "Kate, you're doing some writing, aren't you?" - Yeah, actually I was with Trident and my moustache, this may have my agent who says, "I should hold off." I've decided to go ahead and publish on Amazon Kindle next week or the week after. That's amazing. - Oh. - It's a novel. It's about traveling yachty and it's funny. It's just like my sense of humor telling some stories. - It's not really fiction, but we're calling it that. - Right. - You're fixing a lot. - Yeah, yeah. - To protect the names of the innocent. - The same, exactly. - And not the innocent because it does, it's like kind of like a nanny diaries vibe where I tell some of the horror stories from the billionaires that I've worked with who actually do exist in the world. What's the worst story you've ever had on a yacht or not just working with them? - Well, the heir to what in my book I call Club 45, he pretty much molested me on the beach in St. Bart's and I was like in front of Betsy Johnson and Owen Wilson is playing Frisbee and this guy is like following me to the ocean. It was like my second day working on the yacht, it was my second yacht I ever worked on and he just kind of don't know where the line blurs and then I ended up having to serve him and his wife and his kids for the entire summer. It's Mediterranean and yeah, 'cause I didn't even know me. When I'm like, remember that time we were on Shell Beach and you're like trying to convince me to go to a villa with you. - Oh my God. - It was pretty wild. - Oh my God. - It's like people think when they're on a yacht that they're in illegal waters or international waters, so there's no law. - Oh, like do you think anything goes? - Yeah, so police can still get here, okay. - Yeah, but they think kids are paying for the service and it's so much money that they could do whatever the fuck they want. - Gross. - Yeah. - Have you been flying yet, Kate? Have you started flying? - Oh, thank you for pressing no. My first trip is December 21st and I'm so excited. - Where are you going? - I'm going to either in Guilla, St. Kitts or Trinidad. I'm starting to work for a private jet company based out of Bermuda, which is great 'cause it's like double the money and half the work 'cause the guests have to get off the plane. - Do you have to ask certain certifications for that with flying then? - Apparently not. - Oh my God, maybe that's right. Right, yeah, which is great. So like you'll do, like you like you on TV, you're a good cheese stew. - That is exactly what happened. A pilot came up to me in Lauderdale and was like, hey, I thought I just wanted like a selfie or something. It's like, I am a fan, but really, because I've seen you on the show, I wanted you to come work for our jet company. - And well, well, I think you just proved that you're not becoming a reality star in your head. - I love that because you're still promoting actual jobs. You haven't come out with a line of, you know, scented magnets. - Yeah, foldable blankets. But I mean, it's a little blanket. - Thinking about it, I mean, it's pretty much eat, like it's a piece of fabric, pretty easy. But I think the jet-- - Wrinkle free flat sheets. - Yeah, oh, no, I love ironing. But jets is just a job I couldn't turn down. It's like such good money to do nothing because the people on the jets are really just traveling. They're not like, that's not their destination. So they're just gonna like be reading a magazine and I'm like hanging out. - Is there anything that you guys feel was misrepresented this season that could use a little clarity outside of grabs? - No, I think it was really well and fairly edited. And I've told my de-in this, they did a really good job of, you know, showing every cast member in a very fair light and giving everybody their moment. Like you even felt bad for Rocky at some point. - I did, I mean, by the end, look, I'm always the one, it could be, well, she's nothing like that anyway. She's not mean, but it could be a huge villain. And if somebody is mean to them or I feel like everybody gangs up, I'll automatically be nice. Like it doesn't matter what they do. They could have stomped on a puppy's head in the beginning. But everybody was mean to them because I still, I understand how she's led by it. The feeling part, like when the captain says, "Here's the thing, you haven't taken responsibility for one thing you did this entire season. He did it, she did it, she did it." And we're still apologizing to Starfish. Where's your apology? And she's like, that it was hard. Like you have to understand that it was hard and like it was mean and then like Leon was mean. And then I just like, it was hard. That's what I mean. - You kind of appreciate her as like the martyr 'cause she did, she was so good for the show. So you, it would appreciate that. - No matter what show you're watching, even if it's, I don't know, something on, you know, like a Kardashian thing, which is why I can't watch him, by the way, 'cause I want to feel nothing for those bitches. But when you watch something enough, you get to know people after a while, you know, and you just start accepting them for who they are. - Like, start to sick. Oh, you were like black out drunk while your mom's at home with the babies, but you know what, that's just Scott. - That's Scott, that's just how he do. - Oh, I can't watch that show because I can't feel for those people. I've seen a lot of it and I'm just like, "Ah, your fault!" I mean, they could be hit by a train and I'd be like, "It's your fault." Something could fly out of the sky. I would not blame the sky. - Just kiss the seasons over. That doesn't mean you can't talk to us more starfish. - Do you watch any TV shows? - Housewives of Beverly Hills. I love housewives of New York. - Oh, MG, did you watch the Uncensored the other day? - I sure did. Yeah, I did. - So good. - And I especially liked watching the Uncensored version now that I know how reality television is made. I was like, "Oh, yeah, I totally get that." - Yeah, I loved seeing the producer parts of it. I was so fascinated by all of the producer interviews. Well, that was really hard on us that day when Kim was wasted and I was like, "Oh my God, I love it." You can play the victim after doing that with Kim Richards. I love you guys. And I mean that with a hug, Nadine, Rajab, Jab. - I know. - Do you know what I have to say, Nadine? You're one of the legit nicest people. You are such a genuine, sweet person. - Thank you. - And now that I've watched Unreal and this Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Uncensored, I'm like, "How's she doing so well?" 'Cause you do really well. - I think she is so nice. It's like, "Have you made it so far?" - I can't, the thing is I can't go to sleep unless I feel like I've done like somebody, like if I use somebody wrong, like I can't go to sleep at night. So like I will, if someone's even the worst villain or someone's the most fucked up, I will always in interview go, "Hey, listen, you really fucked up, how do you want to answer to this?" And I give them an opportunity to be self-aware, apologize, or just own up to whatever it is. And because- - Oh, that's good. So people aren't stoned in the street after one of your shows. - Oh, and I don't- - I don't feel like a reality television. She's like the vigilante making a right. - That's what it sounds like, Nadine, 'cause I've never heard of that. And I know a lot 'cause I have Lifetime in Bravo. So, I mean, I don't know what you're doing in the day, but definitely after I watch it, so I thought, I wonder if Nadine has an evil streak? 'Cause I mean, I've been a waiter forever, so I can be very nice and charming if I don't, you know, if I need to. But then underneath, I'm like, "You're an idiot." (laughs) I'm thinking, I'm like, "Was she always thinking that?" - I do think a lot of things, but I can't, obviously, I have to be fair and unjust, and listen, there's other producers, there's a network that gets involved, and I always, and I know with Pulled Up, we always try to tell the right story. I've been on shows where they haven't, and that's where I get upset. Or I definitely speak up until I can't say anything else, and at that point, it's out of my hands, and I won't throw anybody under the bus, because I'm just, my name is on it, too, but those are the shows that I feel really bad about. But I'm lucky enough, thank God, to where I am now, where I'm like, I have a big enough, I'm short enough and I have a loud enough voice that people listen to me, thank God, but it's very, it's hard, I can't go to sleep at night. If I, like, dude, I threw that person under the bus and they didn't deserve it. Like, that, there is a show that I can't talk about, but I still feel bad about something that was out of my hands, and I still feel bad about it. And also, I think that you're obviously very smart, it's almost like, how can I think my way out of, like, making this person look bad? Like, I can find a way to fix this. - Find the good enough, yes, yes. And still try to redeem them. So if somebody fucks up, I'll try to find something humanizing about them to, I mean, not that's unjust, if there's nothing humanizing about them, you can't show that. If the person-- - Basically, what you're saying is-- - I loved your salient-- (audience applauds) - Yes, hi, Doug! - Good to see you, yes! - But I'm also not trying to, like, climb on people. Like, I started off as a stand-up and a writer, and I was doing radio, and Ronnie and I ran a blog. It was like, I was just a fan of reality, and I literally fell into it, which is a whole story for another podcast, like, out of nowhere. And I was like, I just took it as a job, and I ended up being, like, randomly good at it. And so then, in Bravo, like, you know, I helped clean up a show, and they never let me go. And I was like, whoa, like, you know, I'm like, how did I become a producer? This is so weird. I had a really great career as a comic. Like, I didn't, like, become a producer, 'cause I didn't have another career. I just-- - I think there would be more comics doing it if they understood kind of what it was, because-- - It's really creative what we do. It's really-- - I remember when you were telling me, when you got your first gig, and you were kind of telling me about what all the jobs were, because we worked at Bune of Murray, like, we should know. It's a huge production. But we weren't there every day and stuff. We didn't see all the backstage stuff. And when you told me how it worked, and how it's just all this raw footage, and then it is all in the editing. And when you start editing, you learn how much humor and stuff just comes from the timing in the editing. And I think there would be a lot more comics doing it if they understood that they were really creating-- - I wish there were, because you can tell the difference in below, Jack, with the nuances. It's been great. - I forgot what I was gonna say. - Oh, by the way. So are you so busy being a producer, an amazing producer that you fell into, that you're not doing stand-up lately, or are you doing it again? - No, I am. I'm gonna be, I'm putting together a new half hour, and my goal is to try to get my hour together so I could shoot a special by the end of the year. So that is my goal for next year, so I can get a new special. But yes, I'm hitting, I just got back from Greece two weeks ago, for two and a half weeks ago, actually now. And so I have a couple shows booked in December and January, and then I'm gonna hit the ground running on my days that I can get off work early. I'm lucky enough that I have the improv, which is a really big comedy club that's in LA that I could just get up any night, and they're really supportive of me, and I just pop in and say, "Hey, I'm gonna do a set or workout material," and they're awesome. So I'm working on a lot of stuff. I actually wanna kind of bring in, I used to talk about my family a lot. I kind of wanna talk about being a producer now, 'cause I think that there is comedy in that, and especially with Unreal, and also a lot of people watch Bravo, like I wanna talk about what I do as a job, because there's so much comedy in it without using names, obviously. And I think that's what good comedy is, talking about what you know you take from your own life. Yep, totally. And comedy is pain as well, so. (laughing) But I think-- And it's best when it's other people's, isn't it? - Yes, exactly. - And 140 characters on Twitter. (laughing) - You guys, this was the best chill thing to me ever. And I wanna say, Nadine and Kate, it has been an amazing Thanksgiving, because we learned that there's a, there's like a reality show producer with a heart. What a way to end a Bravo podcast. - And Kate's book coming out, which I'm very excited about. - Kate, you have to-- - Will you read a chapter of your audiobook, so we can put it up in our podcast one day? - Oh yeah. - I wanna do a-- - I'll introduce you a bit, for sure. - I wanna do a Crappins book club. - Oh, I love it, watch out Oprah. - You guys, thank you so much, and thank you for producing such a great season. - God bless us, everyone. (laughing) - If you like Watch what Crappins, you can listen ad-free right now, by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery App, or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short survey at Wondery.com/survey. - I'm Lindsey Graham, host of Wondery Show American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in U.S. history, presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. 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