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Okay, watch what Crapins would like to thank our premium sponsors for the week. Miss Claudia Catalina and Miss Crispy Doherty. If you would like to be a premium sponsor of Watch What Crapins, or subscribe for bonus episodes, ring tones and Google Hangouts every month, please visit patreon.com/watchwatchwatchcrapins. That's patreon.com/watchwatchwatchcrapins. Now on with the show. Hey everybody, welcome to the Watch What Crapins podcast. I'm Ronnie Caron from Trash Talk TV, and Ben is still out of town. Don't worry, it comes back next week. Don't send me hate tweets. Today, I am with special, beautiful guests, Stephanie Wild Taylor from the For Crying Out Loud podcast. Duh, I know her real name is Stephanie Wilder Taylor. Okay, that's just how I said it because I'm dumb. So find her on Twitter at Stephanie Wilder Taylor or her podcast at Ace Moms. Okay, bye, end of show note. Hi, Ronnie. Welcome, Stephanie. I hope I live up to Ben's high standards, the standard he'd set. Ben already knows he loves you. We've already listened to you. So we'd love your podcast for crying out loud. And thank you so much for all you guys have done for us. You mentioning us on your show and having us on and stuff has really helped us with our show. So thank you. Oh, it's such a small community, even though it's a big community. And you know, the podcast listeners are so loyal. And so one of our listeners, because we love to talk about Real Housewives, told us about you guys, and I don't even listen to a lot of podcasts, but I put it on and I was hooked from episode one. And then yeah, we started talking about it. Loving you guys. I probably bring you up every week. I'm like a super fan. Love it. Thank you. I'm so glad you got to come on ours. It was really fun going on yours. We went on yours and we were like, whoa, there was a real studio. Not for me. That's all Lynette. And that's all the Adam Corolla business. Love it. You guys had like people working for you. You have like a guy, a producer, and a sound person. I mean, what the hell? I know. It's kind of big time, but I'm used to it. You know, I'm like a big, a biggie, big, a big mucky muck. I was so mad next time I was doing it in my dirty kitchen with like empty Starbucks cups everywhere. It's easier this way though. You don't really need a studio. That's the secret. Yeah, I think that if we're doing it a lot more now, so if I was doing this every day and I had to go to a studio, I wouldn't like it. But I love the once a month going to a studio and we got to see Burbank. Yeah. You know, it's nice. I mean, it's nice when I'm with Lynette. We can, you know, we haven't seen each other all week. And then we sit down and our podcast is a little different. We're kind of just shooting the shit from what happened that week. So, but I think if you're doing this and you have like topics to talk about, it's just as fine doing it from your house. Heck yeah. You know what each other looks like. Yeah, we don't need to look at each other. And we go out a lot together. You know, we're friends in real life too. And it's funny when we're really out because we have to kind of stop ourselves from talking about this stuff where we waste it. And then we talk about real life, but it's just not as fine. Yeah, you're right. See Lynette and I, it's good. Lynette and I are not really close friends in life. I mean, I like her just fine and she likes me, but we don't hang out. So therefore, when we see each other, all of our stories are new. Yeah, well, that's cool. Yeah. When we were on your show, you guys had just, I think the show before us, the episode before us was a Brandy Glanville interview. Yes, which was so funny because so Lynette went on Brandy's show. Having, I didn't even, I mean, I knew that was going to happen, but I was not included. It had nothing to do with me. It was just, you know, having Lynette on. Did you feel like you were left out of the box? You know, a little bit, but the funny thing is, is that I spend a lot of time trash talking Brandy and had for a long time, for a couple of years, just been like, oh, I can't stand her. She's just such a mean girl. And so it was then I was like, oh, I can't wait to hear the gossip from Lynette. But then Lynette said Brandy was going to be on our show. And I was like, oh shit. I mean, I'm going to have to be not, I mean, Lynette went on her show. So now they're kind of friends. So she's going to come out. So I can't be like, what's your deal? Yeah. I had to just sit and smile and. And she's actually really nice in real life, right? She was very, very nice and engaging. Yeah, when I, I mean, I've met her just around, I've met her a couple of times just quickly and she was super nice. I mean, she's very nice. The thing is, you know, she's just an a-hole on the show. And she's, she talks like that, I think, in real life, where she'll say whatever she wants. But it's funny in real life. I love that on real life, in real life. I know, but there's a part of you that, that can't help but think there has to be some truth to this is her personality. I mean, she does not get along with people. So how, yes, I'm sure she amps it up for the show. But even sitting there with her, I'm like, I can't imagine being friends with her in life. I mean, she's a train wreck. Yeah. Well, I'm friends with a lot of train wrecks. I mean, that's one of the things when you start aging in LA and you're, I mean, really anywhere past 30 and you're not married and you don't have that kind of home life. You just start kind of picking up all the train wrecks around you and you become a big train wreck game. Because I mean, who else are you going to hang out with? Like, that's it? Yeah. Yeah. The train wreck, Peter Panz of Los Angeles with Ronnie Cara. You know, I'm a train wreck on the inside. I'm a train wreck everywhere. I mean, I'm a train wreck. I've just learned to accept myself because this is the first place I've ever really been able to go where I can say whatever the hell I want and people actually like it. You know, I can't do that in real life. People avoid me like hell in real life. So I, I love doing this. Well, I had a such a, you what? I would love to talk shit with Brandy actually. I would love to talk to her. Yeah. And she'll go there with whoever. So she was, she was a fun guest to have on the show. I just felt like I couldn't, I think some of our listeners from my podcast, their comments were like, how come you didn't say anything? How come you didn't like, call her out on some of the stuff? But it's like, you'd have to be there in the situation. As you know, you're not going to just start going like, why are you such an asshole on your show? Like, who am I? Yeah, because someone's, they're a guest in your house. I mean, we had that when we interviewed Jill Zarin because Matt loves her. So he, that's our old third co-host. He loves her and he was like, we had, we just had a discussion before we talked to her. And Ben kind of likes her still or at the time liked her still. And I've never, I didn't. And Matt, I don't know how we really thought. But when she came on, we'd have this discussion like, okay, no kissing her butt. And then she came on and Matt was like, we miss you. How's your dog? I don't know how America's, he's, you know, he knows how to be nice. He works for Yahoo TV. So right. And so the first whole part of it was just her, and I think she was nervous too, because she knew that we talked shit. And so she just was like, oh, my dog. You know, she talked about her dog and her daughter. And I couldn't just say shut up, you know, because she's our guest. You can't do that. You wait until they leave. Exactly. So I need more practice so I can like get my point across. I mean, I did get my point across in a nice way, I think. But I don't know, I need to blend. I need to learn how to do that interview thing better, where you're not just saying fuck off, but still getting good info. Because Brandi, I would, I would talk about her stuff and probably laugh. The problem with her that I had was that she was just making stuff up for the show. And that's boring to watch. I agree. I agree. There's like fighting about dish towels or whatever for a season, which they will do on those shows. All right. Well, there is something to that like trying to drum up these storylines. And it gets, as Lynette always says, very cooked. Yeah. And when you start seeing that stuff, like the worst to me was that scene with Carol in New York, running for like the board of her co-op. I mean, it was like, is this a sketch on SNL? What's happening? Pretty much. She got poster board and like put glitter on it with her name. Right. But it was such a, I could just picture her with the executives going, this is going to be hilarious, you guys. Okay. I'm going to run for, you know what I mean? Like, as if she was pitching the storyline and then they're like, okay, great. I'm going to get in the freezer. I've been wanting to use my hair. Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous. But we'll get to that in one second, young lady. Oh, I think we're already done with all of our stuff. What other gossip did we? Oh, I did want to say about that when you guys were talking to her. Lynette was so funny because, of course, we had to ask you guys about it. And we're like, what a bitch. What'd you say to her? Did you call her a bitch? You know, Lynette's like, no, I liked her. You know, she totally died. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I thought that was so funny. And my only question was, you don't watch these shows, do you? And she's like, no. See, she used to. That was the whole thing is she used to. And we would talk about it a lot. And then a lot of our listeners, it's very polarizing. The Real Housewives talk. Oh, yeah. I'm very focused on it. That's my one and only hobby. And Lynette for a while was too. So we would always catch up on our Real Housewives. And then I don't know. She suddenly like kind of lost interest. But you know, we're still just watching the video. Let's make her crazy to talk about it with you. Well, so we don't really talk about it that much anymore. But then we had you guys on. I mean, she's up on it. But yeah, but she's, you know, and then when she was talking about hating Lisa Vanderpump, that was kind of funny too. Yeah, I was like, you obviously are not watching this show. If your least favorite is Lisa and your favorite is Brandy, you're definitely someone who knows Brandy and hasn't been watching it. I actually really like Lynette. And I would love to hear her take on it because she's very funny. And her point of view is so different than I expected. Yeah, well, you know, she relates to the ladies a little bit more than I do. That's the kind of funny thing. Yeah, she could actually do the show. She could do the show. I was praying for her to get picked to do it. She went on like a casting call for it. Oh, she did. Or she had to send in pictures of her house. Yeah, somebody recommended her for the show. She would have been great. Oh, yeah, she would be really good on it. She she probably would maybe be shy at first and then warm up. And then by second season, she'd be kicking everybody's ass on that show. Yeah, I mean, the only thing is that she's not, even though she's married to a celebrity, she's she's not stuck up that. I mean, she has a nanny, but she doesn't use her. She has her own kids. She'd be more of the brandy. You know, the kind of scrappy like. Yeah, the one who will tell it like it is. Yeah. And who knows how well that will play. She certainly wouldn't be. I can't picture Lynette being invited over to the Vanderpumps for, you know, for cordials. Brandy did really, really well until she just went off the rails. The first season she had everybody behind her because the Richard sisters were me door, really. I mean, they really were mean to her. Right. And so then Lisa took her under her wing and everybody loved her. And then she just turned on Lisa for no reason. And that's when it gets bad because it's like you're being nice to a lady who basically kept you on the show and helped make you a star. And like you're biting the hand that feeds you darling, you know, chef Penny doesn't have hands on the menu. I'm predicting this, by the way, for Derinda. Oh, yeah. I know you love her, Ronnie, but I do. Yeah, I think she's going to go that direction. Well, we've always said that, you know, the first season, they're nice. And then you see their true colors the second season. Hers are already popping out. So let's just move over to Real Housewives of New York since that is what we're discussing today. And the first line I wrote in my note taking was I'm really starting to dislike Derinda, by the way. It's funny you say that because I was just messing up like I'm running for president, by the way. I can't stop saying like her. But I was just talking to a friend and she was saying, I hate Derinda a lot. Why is why are people already turning on Derinda? What the hell? What am I missing? I just think I find her to be bitchy, but trying to pretend to be nice. I just think that there's just this fake quality about her that reads right away. Yeah, that's pretty much what my friend said too. I'm still loving her. And I actually loved this one because we got to see her have a fit. And then we saw the previous for next week and she really goes off next week's drunk. So I can't wait. She's she's starting to be no different though than the other ones. She's just conniving that it happens. It happens right away in this episode. And I think it comes off so bad for her when she's talking to Sony. Der... yeah, oh yeah. All right. Well, let's start at the beginning because it starts with Sony and Luan. The first it didn't start with this, but the housewife opening, I notice new things every week. And this week I noticed that in the opening, Luan and Sonya are both shown wearing their own lines and I noticed that too. I had never noticed that before. Yeah, Luan wears that one shirt that she does with the kind of jeweled color. She wears it for all her interviews. Oh, and she's also wearing one of those summer dress. It looks like Mervins. Like she looks like the Mervins summer wear section and Sonya looks like the Mervins child formal wear part where you have to get kids things to be baptized in. Yeah, and Derinda is like Chico's. Derinda is Chico's. You see towards the end of this episode, she's wearing this like shirt with all the like that has like glued on necklaces. But you still have a daughter named Chico. I'm wearing him now. I love just patterns. Yeah, Derinda. Okay, so how does this open? C&H Carolyn Heather shoe collection. Blah, who cares? I have the Bethany and Ramona. Doesn't it start with Bethany and Ramona? Yeah, it starts with Bethany and Ramona. Ramona is like, that was crazy last night. What was going on last night during dinner? That was the craziest thing. It was so stressed out. I was stressed. It reminded me of being at home with my father. I was stressed. I wanted to run. And then they're talking about Sonya and Bethany says very clearly like, I mean, who am I to say she's an alcoholic? I'm not a doctor. I can't say she's an alcoholic. I'm not going to use the word alcoholic. I mean, I'm not a doctor. How can I? I can't diagnose. Yeah, Bethany and Ramona. Well, you know, she is. She's got a problem. Someone needs to talk to her every day. And Ramona says, I mean, I'm sorry, but she's self-medicating. Yeah. And then Bethany is like, yeah, I mean, she's self-medicating, but I get it. I mean, look at my life. I mean, I mean, I understand self-medicating. Yeah, we all self-medicate. We all do it. I mean, it's not a problem. It's just what she is though. Someone needs to talk to her. And then it turns into Ramona being the biggest shivster of all time. The worst she's almost ever been. And it was amazing because I guess these shows, you get to know them and you start liking people that you would never like before. I've always hated Ramona. She's annoyed the hell out of me. But the past couple of years, I love it. And I love it because I'm loving how the other cast is just calling her out now. And they've all accepted that she's an emotional five-year-olds. And they constantly make fun of her for it. They know she's going to lie. They know she's going to start crap. And then they know she's going to kiss their butts after. Treat her like she's a puppy. Like she's naughty, but like, what are you going to do? It's a puppy. Yeah, she chewed up my boot. But you know she's a puppy. What are you going to do? Throw her out. Exactly. She chewed up my boot. But she didn't shut on the floor today. So let's pat her on the head and move on. Exactly. They think it's almost funny now. But I can't imagine if I was Bethany, I would be so pissed. Because it was really obvious that Bethany did not say she's an alcoholic. Bethany literally said, I can't. I wouldn't say that. Who am I to say that? And Ramona basically is the one who said it. And then Ramona is like, well, well, Bethany said, you're an alcoholic. Yeah. And-- Straight out. Yep. And then they start talking. Ramona and Bethany start talking about their loneliness and blah, blah, blah. And then everything turns into Ramona turning it around to herself in this episode, which is so funny. They could have been talking about, I don't know, massacre in Sudan or something. And she'd be like, oh, I understand. I understand what it's like because I used to go to Mass with Mario. And then look at that. They might as well have blown up the church. I understand what those people are going through. That's how I feel. Shot in the head every day. Mario, Mass occurred my heart. Exactly. I was with him a quarter of a century. I mean, he massacred my heart. I meet the country that sent me some aid. I mean, I understand that some lives were lost and that Mass occurred, but my love life was lost. It was Mass occurred. What about me? Yeah. Well, also on your needs, it's a relationship because she just needs, you know, a happy relationship with somebody. Because when you have a happy relationship with somebody, you're happy and you share things. And you have sex with them. Mario, that's how we were. Oh, shut up. I can't, and Bethany's sitting there like she's getting divorced too, but she has to take it, go well. I guess, you know, I mean, she's been with the guy a long time. I gotta lie, you know, I've got a letter, let her have her grieving. I mean, I understand. But wasn't doing every single one of them know that Mario was cheating on her? Yeah, well, that trip to Morocco that they took two years ago, they went and saw the psychic lady who was reading their cards and the psychic told them. The psychic was like, oh, your husband's cheating with some young blonde person or whatever. And Ramona had a bet. And all the talk at that time, like Luann was saying, oh, well, everybody knows it's true. Right. I guess he's been doing it for a long time. And she's, I have a feeling she was just turning her head. And turning the other cheek or turning turning the other butt cheek or whatever, and pretending it wasn't happening until he actually went on was like making out with this young girl in public and getting on page six and stuff. That's when the marriage really started to go south. There's this part. I'm trying to see if it was later or earlier. I mean, she talks about Mario through the whole thing, but there's this part where she's talking about Mario. And it's obvious that she's, it's just about her. You know, when she's talking about like how her relationship with Mario, nothing is about how great Mario was. It's all about like, oh, he made me feel so good. Yeah. And we looked so beautiful together. I mean, he was so focused on me. He just, he loved me so much. I couldn't even, I mean, Mario, I wouldn't be who I was, who I am today with that. Mario, I really wanted Bethany to scream, where are you? Because I was kind of thinking that. What did he do? You have not one, you know, an Oscar lady. Get up. I wouldn't be who I am today. I wouldn't be where I am. I wouldn't be so successful. But Mario was there. He got my dry cleaning. He helped me, you know, cut the labels off of people's dresses. I stole, Mario was very helpful. Like, can you name one thing that wasn't on his chore list that you miss, you know? That's what, that's what I'm seeing. It's so narcissistic. It's towards the end of the episode. So we're just jumping around. But you know, the part where they're talking about Heather saying that, like, you know, you have to let the guy be strong, or she's not saying that she's saying, you know, they're talking about what the women are telling Heather that she's too strong. She needs to make her husband feel important. Right. And then Ramona is talking about Mario. Like, well, I didn't really go out of my way for him, but he allowed me to be me. Yeah. And then Derinder says they truly were an upper east side beautiful couple. I just wanted to puke. What does that even mean? Everybody on the east side, they were the couple. They went to the parties. They were always the first on the dance floor. They went to church. You'd see them at church. You'd see them at Central Park walking. Right. You'd see them buying jewelry together. You know, things we do on the upper east side. These people think that no, there's no other world other than their little bubble. They do that on secrets and wives too. They're like, then do us sure. We do things different here. Kids go to camp. Oh my God. There's a good one this week of that when I get to it. When I look at my notes, there's another. Oh, that's what we do on the North Shore. The two shows are so parallel. They are and they also fit the stereotype so well. You know, the upper east side will always be looking down on secrets and wives. Secret wives is always going to be further away, harder to get to, harder to understand. Secrets and wives is almost like a parody show of Real Housewives of New York. It is. Mike Myers is playing all the characters on that show. It's true. Do you notice how in secrets and wives this week, there's a runway thing and we're harkening back to Ramona. Remember the crazy Ramona bug-eyed catwalk? That crazy-eyed Ramona walk, I'll never forget that. Oh my God. That was so genius. I mean, we rewound that so many times to laugh. Yeah, some people are going to see their lives flash before their eyes when they die. I'm going to see Ramona doing that walk. That's going to be the last thing I see before I meet Jesus. See, this is the thing I love about Ramona. She really hasn't changed. She's just so self-important, so narcissistic, turns every conversation about herself. Everything she does is manipulating people to think more and focus more on her. But she's so transparent that it makes it fun for me at least. But that part that you just brought up where she's saying, oh, yeah, you're just strong Heather. Women don't need a strong man. I mean, look at Mario. I'm very strong and I'm on a TV show. I look at everything I have. Look at everything I've done in my life. And Mario, they're like babies. You got to make sure they're but smooth for them. You got to make sure they get their food out of your boobs. And then they're done. That's it. You know, just make sure you change them and that's it. That's all you got to do, Heather. I don't know what's wrong with you. It's like Mario's gone. So let's stop giving Heather. And Heather's still married, by the way. Yeah, I'm not putting her Heather marital advice. And that conversation was also really good because Heather's like, well, yeah, we're strong. But Jonathan is strong too. It's just so passionate. It's like that is the if that is a passionate relationship, that shit is very, very well hidden. Oh my god. Heather's hey, mamas were on point this episode. Did you notice that mamas? Where are we fighting mamas? Come here, let's talk about this. She even did a thing when somebody said stop treating me like a baby. And she stopped treating me like a baby, something like that. And she's like, if you want to stop being treated like a baby, stop acting like a baby, mamas. And then she called Ramona's. She said something about smacking Ramona's tushy. I almost died. That is not sexy. She's like, I'm just fine here without Jonathan. As she matches up food for Lou Anne sitting there. So back to where we were. Let me see here. Okay, so Ramona Bethany and Ramona thing. I don't know why. Okay, so then we go into. Oh, because they were talking about dating. So then Ramona cries ugly, ugly tears. But you and Amy were laughing about the way she cries, which is hilarious. You and Amy talked about this a little bit, which was already, which is her crying. But you said she cries like other like people that don't sneeze right. She does. It's an internal sneeze thing she does. She's like. And then nothing really comes out of her eyes. And she squeezes her eyes way too hard. Like she's having kind of a seizure. Yes. Yes. Like Bethany needed to revive her. And then Bethany's just, I was actually, I've been hating Bethany this season. That's no secret. I've been saying that. But I wasn't minding Bethany in this episode. Bethany took some time to warm up or maybe it's just me, but I took time to warm up to her. And I'm loving her again. I'm back on total teen Bethany because you know, I'll change that shit every week. I don't care. I have no idea. I'm changing it. I'm changed for this week too. I was a Bethany was actually the grounding character for this episode. Yeah, there have been a few of them. I started actually liking her more in the episode where she met the father, even though that was, I thought it was terrible that she brought this man on national TV. And she's like, oh yeah, you know, why would I be at set? Just because you beat my mother in the head with my Hello Kitty phone and then beat her in front of me. And then, but you know, then, and then you almost beat me when I was 19. I mean, who cares drugs, alcohol, right? I'm like, Jesus Christ, Bethany. I think you skirted over the fact though that she basically told him she tells her dad, yeah, I mean, I can't have sex because of you. He's basically, she told her dad that she's frigid now because she's so traumatized by her childhood. Oh my God. I didn't even realize that she I thought she was saying like, I can't have sex because, you know, growing up behind a racetrack, you know, you had to do everything so fast. It was a huge race. I can't find one man that'll last longer than five seconds. It takes me like an hour to defrost. Thanks a lot. Exactly. Well, she was basically saying that she has horrible intimacy issues because of like the way her dad treated her mom. Yeah, well, that works, but you know, I don't know. I feel like they're she's gone through way more trauma than I have. So please forgive what I'm about to say because I know I'm about to piss people off. But I don't care what happened when you were a baby. At some point, you have to acknowledge like if your sexual problems are from that, you've been going to therapy for years. Get that shit under wraps, girl. Get to take the arrow. She's going to a quote therapist, unquote. Well, TV therapy. TV therapist. That's not helpful. I'm trying to say I think with sexual stuff, no matter what's happened. Well, unless it was like sexual abuse or something, I'm not saying that. But issues with your parents or how they behaved when they're affecting you sexually and as adult, you understand that part of you has to just keep trying the sex part anyway. Because she's mentioned like, oh, I don't even care about a man. I don't even want a man. I mean, like the thought of touching a penis makes me just want to turn into an ice cream truck or whatever she said. I don't know. I've got issues with that too. And with me, I'm just with my, I guess I'm talking to myself because with my issues, I've just had to be like kind of like Stephanie said in your sex podcast, your live podcast when you're talking to sex with Emily and someone was saying, you know, my husband wants to have it all the time and I don't necessarily. And Emily was saying, well, you need to get a flashlight or something and just help them out and be done, you know. Killer, stop. This is a very professional podcast. All right. You're messing this up. Sorry. But she was saying, you know, just get a flashlight and help your man. And then Lynette goes, I just do what he wants. She's like, I just do, she's like, I just do whatever he wants. The end. And you're saying you feel like you. I don't feel like sometimes in a relationship. Yeah, that's just the best way to be. It's like, just stop worrying about it. Just maybe you need something certain from your partner and you guys can talk about that when he's not horny. But if he's wanting to do what he wants and get him out of the house, I mean, that's kind of how I feel. Well, I think that too, though, with holding, you can start using that, those psychological issues that you have as a way of being in control, you know. So then you just start turning down sex all the time. And it's a way of not being vulnerable and not giving of yourself. Yeah. And it's sort of narcissistic. You know, you don't feel like having sex. You don't feel like dealing with the fact that you don't feel like having sex. So a healthier person maybe would be like, okay, I don't really feel like it. But that sex is part of a healthy relationship. So I'm just going to fucking do it. Yeah. And I'm going to treat it like going to the gym. And hopefully I'll feel better afterwards. You don't like going to the gym. That's totally true. I'm not loving this right now, but I'll love the muscles later. Exactly. But somebody like Bethany, I think probably just goes like, I don't want to do it. So I'm just not going to. Yeah. Yeah, it's tricky. I mean, I don't know. It's I guess I shouldn't be judging someone else's issues after they've gone through everything that she went through. Because God, from the sound of it. I mean, if that's just the stuff she'll talk about on a TV show, I'm like, holy crap, what was going on in that house? Yeah. Well, you know, I relate to Bethany a bit. I had a really rough childhood too. And I relate to a lot of her scrappiness. But it's sort of like at a certain point when you get older, you either become really hardened and narcissistic. Like I feel like Bethany has. And although it's entertaining to watch and kind of fun, you wouldn't want to be friends with her. Right. Well, I don't think she could be friends because she's not open. I mean, to be a friend of real friend with somebody. You have to be open. You have to talk about your life and what you're thinking. It's not just like your laundry list of things to do and your problems. And I'm homeless, and he did this. And then I left my talk show and then my skinny girl and the skinny girls. And every single one, you know, literally in every scene. You know, you can't, some people just aren't really built for relationships like that, you know, at all. Yeah. But so early on when she was first on the show, first season, I really liked her because I related to that scrappiness and her trying to sell her stuff and like her being the one that's like, I don't have money and I don't have a boyfriend. And, you know, I'm trying to make it in this world and it was relatable. But now as a woman who's made it, that's not attractive qualities anymore. Yeah. I think she's probably starting to learn and being around people and having so much fun, she's really starting to warm up. I mean, I really don't care what your, I don't care who you are. I really are these shows, at least. I just really like people when they will own their shit. Like if someone's a jerk and they can just admit that they're a jerk, I like it. And she's pretty much owning that lately. So she can do really anything now. And I'm behind her, you know, that conversation she had with Heather, they were getting massages and they're bonding because they're both basically being judgmental of alcoholism, whatever it is they're bonding. And they got a massage. And Bethany said, I can't even believe we're at this point because, you know, I just wanted you dead. I thought you were a horrible human being and I just wanted to see your head get chopped off. And Heather was like, yeah, I thought you were a bitch. You're right. I was, I am a bitch, you know. I know. And then Heather's like, I'm just so glad you like me now though, Bethany. Because you're so amazing. I mean, everyone's always saying how amazing you are. But now that I'm having a massage right next to you, I can really see how amazing you are. I mean, you're, you're one amazing woman. You know, when you let me chew up your food before you ate it, that was, I mean, I just felt like a mama's bird. Mama's. First of all, I just have to say that at the very opening of that scene, one of them goes, God, we deserve this. What? What have you done to deserve it? All that nothing you've done. Your hard day being on a cruise. Heather's like, do you know how hard it is running a company not called Spanx? It is difficult. I'm having to go into stores by myself, take Spanx off the shelf and put mine where they were. No one does that for me. Jonathan doesn't do that for me. He has his own job, mama's. Heather. I just keep writing Ramona dating because I just think it's so hilarious. Ramona going on Tinder, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, but we have to go back to because this is where things start heating up. Okay, so it's the next morning and the yoga guy comes over, right? David, David, David, David, David's here. David, David, David, where are you bending over, David? You don't bend over for me, David. David's doing a sunset mutation to his mistress across the lake. David? Oh my God, all I can think about sometimes during the day is that impression. David, David, David, David. Doing this show kills me for real life because I do that stuff in real life. And people look at me like, shut up. What are you talking about? It's like a reference. Nobody knows. The David and paralyzed, paralyzed. Oh, yeah, so the next day, so that's when Bethany was, as someone put on our Facebook page, facebook.com/watchitcraphens, by the way, I didn't do our plugs at the top. That's what somebody said on our Facebook page. Please mention Bethany quote, unquote, cooking in a bikini. Oh my God. Yeah, but she looks amazing in the beginning. It's ridiculous. Of course she does. Have you ever seen her? I've seen her put one half a bite of a rigatoni in her mouth. That's all I've ever seen her eat on this show. And then she threw it up. They don't show that part, but that's what happened. Well, she always does go to the bathroom right after. I mean, and did she get a boob job? Bethany? I don't know. I don't feel like season one, she had big boobs. And now she's got huge boobs. Oh, she does? Yeah. Oh, I didn't even notice. I noticed Ramona's. I mean, good lord woman. Those things look like a fun house. I mean, they all have big boobs except Carol. They're coming. Give her time. This is the part where they go to Derinda. This is where Derinda's true personality comes out. And first, she's Derinda's bitching about the room. So you know how Sonia was complaining about the room? So then Derinda's like, yeah, the room. It's the worst. It's too near the kitchen. Yeah, you thought this room would be good, but it's not good. I mean, it's by a pool. It's by every, it's by the kitchen. This is where we would put the nannies. This would be the nanny room. Well, I mean, I'm sorry, but that was, that was insane. That was her true colors coming out. And then she's like, Sonia, you should not put up with Bethany. Oh, yeah. Well, that part for sure. Well, I think, I mean, I get it like, just as a side note, one of the funny things about doing this is I used to be so worried in the beginning that people were going to hate me for bagging on people. And it turns out when they get mad, it's not because I mean to someone. It's because I'm nice to somebody, which is hilarious. But now people get kind of mad because I just like Dorinda. She sounds like the rosy from the Jetsons, you know, I just like her. And so everything I do, I think, because I like her is colored by the fact that I like her. So I just saw that as, of course, that's where you put the nanny because she's rich. And then when she's talking to Sonia, I thought she was just trying to help Sonia because Sonia's way of dealing with it is just to get even drunker and then pass out. You know, Dorinda's like, though, you just got to stand up for yourself. If you feel like you're not being treated right, then stand up to them and tell them to stop it and stop calling you with alcoholic. You know, when she was acting like she was Tony Robbins or something, she's like, you need to stand up and you need to say, I'm not going to take it anymore. Well, honey, compared to Sonia, everybody's Tony Robbins. Oh my God. And then she then she says something about how the how much all the other women drink. She's talking to Sonia and then she then she says, like, that's why I stay sober around the ladies. They're record keepers, these women, they're record keepers. I mean, she's basically saying these women are not your friends. She's this is her first season on the show. Slow your role, Dorinda. Yeah. Well, I actually agree with her because the ladies are not her friends. They are so all they do is talk about what a drunk she is on camera. And I think Dorinda is still horrified that everything that's happening is on camera. I mean, I'm sure she's seen the show before. But a lot of the time she's horrified, it just seems like I can't believe you're calling somebody a drunk in a bad, you know, an alcoholic on TV when they're not here. A lot of her is just like, that's not cool. Those kids will be taken away in two seconds. But Dorinda has, I mean, Sonia has been an alcoholic since season one. Yeah. Oh, I was talking about that yesterday. I couldn't remember season one craziness. She got a DUI in season one, not on camera. But I mean, she got a DUI on like, where do they all live during the winter? The Hamptons. The Hamptons, yeah. Yeah, she got a DUI. It's just not been talked about. I mean, you know why? Because other people were overshadowing her, like Ramona always seemed like an alcoholic. Like a lot of them drink a lot and remote. But so Sonia wasn't quite the focus. But now she's, you know, maybe it's getting even more out of control. But she's always been the one who has the alcohol problem, in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, I'm not a doctor. I can't. I'm not a doctor. What do I do? I'm not a doctor. I can't use the word alcoholic. Well, why do they? Well, why do they? Yeah, Sonia, I mean, I don't feel bad for her for getting a DUI. I do feel bad that she had to drive herself because that must have been hard for her. That's why she was drinking. Then I love that then Sonia to camera. She talking about Bethany after after Dorinda says Bethany, she's not nice to you. You shouldn't have to put up with it. Then Sonia says, she just doesn't have the education. No, she says that to Dorinda. She just doesn't have the education. She doesn't have the manners. Yeah, she's she doesn't have manners in education. Oh my God, that I was horrified for her because Bethany will get her for that. Bethany's been really nice. I mean, granted, it's in the Bethany way where she screams at you to shut the fuck up and tells you tells you you're a loser. But still, it's like a hug from Bethany. Right, right. And she's trying to be nice. I'm on Big Brother now. We do not need to be talking about Big Brother. I wasn't even smoking up or drinking or anything during this, but you would never know that from these notes. All right, someone's talking to Chef. I love that they got a clip of Carol talking to that chef. They show the chef and they're like, oh, the chef's hot. And Carol's like, what are you making? Carol's like, Carol's like, I love blueberries. Do you have blueberries watching people cook is the most I ever eat. God, I liked Carol better when she was at least writing a fucking book and she had something to do. See, everyone's turning on Carol this season too. And I don't see someone said, oh, Carol used to be funny. This is from our Facebook again. Somebody said, oh, Carol used to be funny, but now she's just, I don't know, a bitch, basically. I guess they were saying. But I think she's kind of the same as she's always been, right? Except now she has like a young boyfriend and she hasn't mentioned her dead husband yet. Well, I think there's too many women. I know you like it with more, but I like it when you can kind of focus on what each person is doing. And obviously being a writer, being an author, I related to Carol Moore when she was actually one of the few that actually had something she was doing, that she was actually a real author. And I love book gate. The Viva. I mean, that was just fascinating to me. And so I liked Carol better than when she had an enemy in a Viva. Now I just think she just acts like a little young, you know, it's like I'm 25. I can't help it if all the boys like me. I mean, look at this body. Yeah. Yeah, I'm into it. I think because I'm aging. So I'm really like anybody who's having a middle age crisis, I'm on their side. Like Mario, call me. I'm totally on your side. No, I'm not that forward. I mean, I don't have any problem with her dating Luanne's house boy. You know, I really don't care. She should be able to date who she wants. But, you know, I don't, she doesn't get enough camera time for me to like feel either way about her actually. Well, Luanne's not even mad that she slept with the, you know, her niece's ex-boyfriend or his age or anything like that. Luanne's mad that she slept with an employee. You know, it's like I paid him. It's like, it's like going to someone's house and stealing the hooker right out of it. You don't do that. They're paid. They're already paid. You know, just come down to someone's dinner and just start eating their appetizers because you're in the same restaurant. It's not helpful. I got to tell you that I may be all alone in this, but I love Luanne. Oh, I love Luanne. It says the most underrated little one-liners here and there. I don't know if she always knows when she's being funny, but Anne, she's just got this like sneaky bad girl side. Just like when she slept with the pirate. And, you know, when she was cheating on David Schwimmer, with the pirate. We called him Balki. I guess he would be Balki played by David Schwimmer. Because now all I see is David Schwimmer. That's such a good way to say it. Jack. Jack, yes. He was the French David Schwimmer to me. And that whole thing where she was lying about it, you know, and sneaking around with him and then lying about it. And then they were all accusing her of fucking him in the house. And then she was like, what are you talking about? No, I had just a bunch of friends over. I was in love with Luanne during that. I'm just like, oh, you go. You keep telling that story. So good. And then they catch her talking on the phone with her bad French. Yes. She's like, she's basically ordering tacos and a secret. And the lady was like, okay, Luanne, this is fine. I do this. She's like, thank you, darling. No, honey, learn the language better. Oh, that was such a good season. It was so good. Bring that back. And then she's like, how come the producers told everybody? And why are these tacos here? Who ordered tacos? Oh, Luanne. So after this, Durinda, this is a route for the daddy. Then is when Sonya just started going nuts, because Durinda told her, you just need to stand up and say, no, I'm Sonya, I've got a roar and whoever's been as I want to. And she's like, that's a good idea. And then she went out and just started screaming and yelling at everybody. Wait, was that before or after though? No, I think for first, I think Ramona took Sonya out. Didn't this happen first when then she threw Bethany under the bus? Well, why don't you play note decoder? Because this is what I have. S and D, chase this room. A lot of action there. Nanny's room. D, say no to yoga. Sonya, be yelled at me. And then she imitates her. D, she doesn't have education. Oh, Durinda said she doesn't have education in manner, according to my very accurate notes. No, Sonya did. Sonya did. Yeah. And then Durinda stands and he'll stop it. Like Taylor from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Stop this. And she even did her hands in the same way, where she was stopping it. And I was like, yeah, I think Taylor got fired the next season, so don't do that. I don't drink scorekeepers, head talking behind back, yelling during yoga. I don't flirt, shutting it down. What else will be? They keep coming back like a bad pimple. That's herpes, I wrote. Should be a life coach. Oh, Durinda is a life coach. Yeah, I guess maybe that did happen later. Well, yeah. So Durinda started saying, I always wanted to be a therapist. Could you imagine? All right, let's give therapy as, let's give therapy as Durinda. Who should have the problem? Who's she going to give therapy to? I guess all of them. She could do therapy. Well, Sonya, I guess because she was doing Sonya anyway. She could be like, I was a good therapist to Sonya. Here's what I told her. If you've got to get drunk, do it with everybody's God, then what we'll see you get drunk because they keep in school. Everybody's keeping school. The record keepers. Be like an upper recite couple. Be the first to dance at a party. Go to church. You know, pick up a piece of trash. Maybe every once in a while on the street to show that you're present at the community. Okay, thank you. That'll be $500. Don't forget to plug yourself back in in the kitchen when you're done and you're not going to be ready to vacuum in the boy. The Remta. Oh my gosh, that is hilarious. I didn't even drink it like Ramona. Then Ramona, this is what it is. Sonya is going off with Ramona saying. She thinks I'm an alcoholic. I mean, how could she even think that? All I've done is go to lunch with her. I didn't even drink it that lunch. And then so Ramona says is saying this. By the way, Ramona tells Sonya like as if she has nothing to do with it. She's like, yeah, Sonya, you should just know that Bethany thinks you're an alcoholic. Yeah, all the ladies are talking about you. Everybody's talking about you. And think that you're an alcoholic. And I told them, no, Sonya has no problems with alcohol. And this is not nice to say on the television when people are going to see it. And I was standing up for you, Sonya. So this is the best part of the episode. So Bethany is walking by while she's sitting while Ramona is saying that. Bethany comes over and is like, what's going on? And then Ramona says, well, I just told Sonya that you think she's an alcoholic. And this is why you got a little Bethany. Because she's like, yeah, said it to you. You did too. Give her the money, said it. And Ramona threw her hands up in the air and her eyes bugged out and crossed. And then she kind of got that head. Ramona's got Asperger's or something because she has like a twitch when she gets emotional. Like her eyes bug out and she twitches. So she started doing her Asperger's thing. And she goes, I don't know what, what, what, what, I don't know. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. No, she's like, Bethany, absolutely not. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I never said that. I never said she. And then they roll back for saying that she has a drinking problem. And the thing was so crazy. But they rolled back to the Italian restaurant. She's like, yes, you did. We were at that Italian restaurant that reminded me of the rodeo, remember? And she's like, oh, well, you know, I said a lot of things that night. They gave me bread and the bread in it. I had a bite of it and it had me and there was me and bread and my body didn't know what to do. It went crazy. I don't know what I said. I'm intolerant of gluten. I was gluten drunk. I was gluten drunk. I just, I can only have Pinot Grigio. It's like Bethany with her. I'm allergic to just fish with fins. She's like, I can't have alcohol. Only Pinot Grigio. The only kind of alcohol I'm not allergic to is Pinot Grigio. That's why I drink so much Pinot Grigio. It's all I can have. Gluten in tolerance is why the kids are shooting up schools. You can't blame me when I have some gluten. Okay, with bread. It was gluten and bad fried and bad food combining all at the same time. Okay. Okay. And then this was truly the best part that you guys teased on a different podcast. This is when Luann comes over and is like, everybody stop yelling. I made eggs. Off the front say. That was good. This is when they're all at the beach, right? They're like fighting on the beach. And Bethany is like, what? You said it too. I mean, look, all I'm saying is sometimes we're all drunk. Okay. Sometimes we do things when we're drunk. We say things when we're drunk. But you do too. What do you all do? She's like, I know this. What I said. Luann's like, I made eggs. All right. All right. All right. And then Luann says, you know, sometimes at the end of the night, you fall asleep. And so he's like, so sue me. When else you're supposed to sleep. You what? When else are you supposed to sleep? It's nighttime. That's what I'm supposed to do. We have like, sometimes at the end of the night, you fall asleep naked with an 18 year old. But you know, who might have judged? I like pirates. It's okay. I'm not saying anything. Luann's like, listen, I'm not judging you. It's just that you fall asleep in bars and you never pay your tab. But ever since you got apple pay in your vagina, you've been fine by me. So just keep doing what you're doing, girl. All of fun school. Stop yelling, mama. Mama, stop yelling. Mama ass. And then that's when Sonia freaks out and starts screaming at everybody. And then Derinda goes like this. Well, I don't know what happened. I had no idea. Sonia was going to take my advice. If I was a life coach, the upper east side would be louder than ever. I'm trying to see now what I do. You step when you're drunk. We all do. You flirt with guys. What guys? What are you talking about? I haven't gotten home with a god. I mean, so that one god. I mean, who else? Who else? What other guys? It's like, how many guys do you want them to name? This show is an hour. Stop pretending you don't go home with guys. Putting an intern badge on them the next day and refusing to pay them doesn't mean you don't like date. Everyone sleeps with the taxi driver at the end of the night. I mean, who doesn't do that? There's a reason I call it Uber. Am I supposed to just pay the fare? I mean, you know I'm broke. You know I'm having financial problems. I like when Bethany told her. Yeah, but Ramona said that you need a walker. Like you need to walk after you go out and she's like, yes, I do need a walker. So what? Who doesn't need walkers? You know, most people who need walkers, they give them parking right in the front of the store. But no, if I need a walker, it's just horrible to suddenly be handicapped. What's a walker? It means someone to walk her home because she's so drunk. So Heather was saying they need, she's had to carry her up the stairs and put her in bed before and Bethany was saying, oh, you always need someone to walk you home. Nobody brought up the DUI though, which I thought was interesting. Yeah, I think that they've all got so many secrets on each other that they're just very careful. Like they can talk about the alcoholism and the bankruptcies and stuff like that because they're already on the air. But I don't, I think stuff like, you know. Right. DUIs because, you know, don't throw stones when you're about to crash into a glass house when you drunk. Right, right. So get out of my shit. That's how that is. And she yells at everybody. Do you feel like it was kind of, it was weird? Like was she even really mad? Was she acting? Because then she gets over it so fast. Honestly, I think Sonja doesn't even know what they're talking about. I really don't because she gets so blackout drunk that I think that she just doesn't even, when they bring up this stuff, she doesn't know. You know, she really doesn't know. That model that she brought home who's like 20, I don't, I don't even think she knows how he got there. She's probably, she probably just thinks it was like a freebie, you know, from someone in India who liked her dress. Like she doesn't know. Maybe it was just, maybe it was just a little girl. Yeah, I think they were, they're saying, you need to get mad because this is offensive. They're calling you these things. You need to stand up for yourself. And she's like, I don't want to be a pussy. You know, I want to be the one who stands up for myself. So I'm doing it. Right. That's what I'm saying. I don't think she knows what's going on either. I completely agree. So she just went and yelled at everybody and then refused to go on a boat, which was so sad because if anybody was going to get laid in the ocean, it's Sonia. I know. You know, she'll find like someone who's been lost at sea for years just to have sex with them. Right, right. That captain, you know, what was the- Tom Hanks. Yes. She's like, don't worry. I'm not a terrorist. I'm not taking over your boat. I'm just making out with the front of it. What? I'm not a slut. Making out with a boat. This boat is my new intern. I'm coming aboard. I found the new petals. I'm boarding your ship. That's not me. So funny. Just in her in a dinghy trying to pull up behind a big ship. Full of sailors. She's like, I'm gaining on you. They're all the sailors are looking at her through a legal periscope. The back off the back of the ship. They're like, Isis is coming. She's like, no, it's just me. Swim faster intern number four. Swim faster. This is the daughter of a Vanderbilt that I've rode over here. Just desperate to get laid. Saying that they're so they don't like this. Somebody was like, it must have been Ramona. Because who else says that? But I don't like this. This is stressing me out. And I don't really like all this fighting. And Luan's like, me neither. Bitches are crazy. All you do is start shit over and over. And then you're like, I can't take it. It's so difficult. I can't believe that someone called. So yeah, alcoholic. My stomach is just nervous. I'm just not having a good time anymore. Oh, Ramona. I'm not under attack. I'm attacking you, bitches. I'm just like, shh. Be quiet. I didn't know she was going to take my advice. How could I have known? I've never done therapy before. I was just interning. This is getting my hours. I didn't know people were going to listen to me. I don't think it happened to be me yet. So what is this? Bethany and Carol talking to ladies. Derinda, blah, blah, blah. And then Derinda is like, oh, then Sonya hears them again and starts fighting with them. And Derinda's like, I didn't say she was drunk. I just said she needs to be very careful when she's drunk. That's all I said. What did I say? So good. This show is so funny to me. And what their vacations are amazing. I'm really glad that this. Was this the second or third one? Because I hear they have four on vacation. Oh my God. I don't even know. I love it. They just somewhere else already. The Bethany. Well, no, then they went to Derinda's house. Oh, no. They're spending four episodes of this vacation on vacation. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah. Yeah. So let me see. Alcoholic. And there's a woman for her. Yeah. Because she told me, yeah. Oh, no, no. I'm sorry. I was just, I'm always back to Ramona in this alcoholism thing. I think it's so fucking funny. Why is she calling you a drunk? You don't call people an alcoholic. That is something you don't say. Who says that? It's like you. You said that. Well, everybody was calling Ramona an alcoholic last year with her hold the turtle time. And it was Ramona who was having the drinking problem. So she's probably thrilled to death that they're putting it on Sonya now. Yeah. And all the ladies were like, oh God, I can't stand all this fighting. Let's just agree to not talk about Sony anymore. Let's make a pact. Because all we talk about is Sonya and her drunkenness or her slediness or whatever. Let's just let her be who she is and not say anything. I really like that because that was Bethany saying that. And she's like, look, I mean, she's a mess. What are we going to talk about or being a mess every day? Who cares? Just let her be a mess. Next time she's a mess, let's just laugh and move on. And that's the best way to do it. This is when I started liking Bethany. Yeah, I like that. And then they made the swear jar, except if you talk about Sonya, you have to put money in the swear jar or whatever. Heather's like, I totally agree with you, mamas. It's like when I told Sonya, I mean, Heather had to pay a lot of money. She had to pay the entire investment amount that she spent buying Spanx at different stores to copy them. Well, because this is, unfortunately, this is Heather's whole storyline now. Yeah. He's just trying to insert herself into other people's storylines. Yeah. Hey, mama. Pretty much. Hey, mama. People are saying you're an alcoholic. Hey, mama. I understand being addicted to the bottle. I mean, you just see my baby with his name. Bottle, bottle, bottle all day long. Very difficult. Very difficult. And even my husband. My husband's still breastfeeding, mama. And that's okay. That's okay, mama. We call it passion in my house, mamas. Listen, we're not going to talk anymore about how Sonya's a drunk slut or how she's addicted to marked up rayon. We're just not going to talk about it. Okay. If she wants to call it silk, let her call it silk. Yeah, Heather's always pretending she's taking the high road. But then getting her little digs in there. Yep. As any good mother has learned to do, I'm from the south and that's how women are bred to speak, you know, like with a smile on your face in a very light way and saying, fuck you at the same time. Right. Bless your heart. Yeah, she's East Coast, but she's got it down. I actually really like all of the women on this show. I really like them. I don't have Hader Gabe for anybody on this one. I think they're all great, even Heather. Maybe because I'm coming to a more understanding place. Everybody hates Heather, except for me. I've said it before. I do like Heather, but I mean, it's hard to like her this season just because she doesn't, honestly, she doesn't get camera time though. So all they do is put in her little, like I think the editors aren't know that people are annoyed by her. Hey, mama. So every chance they get, they put it in. Yeah, and she just doesn't really do much. I mean, she goes to work and then she goes home. And her husband seems kind of boring. I mean, what do you want to go home and watch her husband clean the toilet? Not me. Right, exactly. But so Heather and Kristin now have kind of the same nothing going on. I know and I like them. I hope they don't get kicked off. Even though Kristin doesn't do anything, I like that Kristin's still on. It does nothing. I think it's so funny. I don't know why I'm just so amused by her. She doesn't do anything. I just like that she doesn't understand what's going on ever. And she can't relate to anybody, but she's still there just looking really, she doesn't know if she's confused or disgusted or afraid of her own future. Here's, this is going to sound really catty. And who cares? Because this is what we're here to do. But I just don't think Kristin's that pretty. I think she's, and I will, I would be the first person to say that another woman is beautiful. But I don't get, I know she's a model, but I think she's normal looking. Like she's normal, pretty. I don't, if I saw her walking down the street, I wouldn't be like, holy shit, she's really beautiful. She should be a model. I think she's super free. And yeah, her whole thing is about being, her whole thing is about how she's just so beautiful. And it's just so hard to be beautiful. Yeah, well also that like really thin, pretty blonde girl is very rare in New York. That's not really an East Coast thing. That's why they're all trying to do it in Secrets and Wimes. Okay, I guess being in LA. Maybe, maybe she's got that LA. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know when, when you're so beautiful that you're a model, you just kind of blend into the same non understandable race to me. Like I don't really focus on features anymore. It's like, I don't know, I don't know. You know when you stare at a wall for a really long time and then you'll start seeing spots and stuff? That's how I feel when I look at people who are that pretty. They just look like kind of a wall and I'm trying to distinguish what the dots are trying to say. But I mean, okay, look on Housewives OC, Megan, she's really pretty. Like when I, when you see her and she's dressed up, it's hard not to go, wow, she's pretty drop dead gorgeous. You can see why she's dating athletes. But I don't look at Chris didn't go. But I think her face is really pretty. I just think Kristen looks bland to me. I both think Chris. I think Chris was prettier than Megan. But Megan is really pretty. I just kind of worry about her because of like, Megan seems kind of eating disortery to me because she has that thing, she has that ear thing. Somehow, and I speak as someone who knows eating disorders very well before people get all pissed off, okay? She, she has like anorexia ears? Yeah, does, have you, have you ever noticed that? There's something with anorexics and support group. Thank you very much. So stop it. I know what I'm talking about where I think you're, I don't know what it is, but I've noticed it with anorexic girls that their ears kind of stamp out. I don't know what it is. I don't know. I've never said it out loud, but I've always wondered. Because their head starts looking really big for their body. So you notice every other head. Maybe it's just the features look bigger. And probably because their face gets so thin that you can really see the bones on the side of their face. So it makes the ears really obvious. Maybe that's what it is. But yeah. They don't have like fat on their temples. Yeah, she's really. I don't either, but that's aging. I have fat on my temples. I need some fat. Can I have some of yours? Oh, sure. I'll inject my fat wherever you need it. I'm losing my temple fat. Oh my god. I've got so much fat. I can give you whatever you need. I'll take it from my love handles and you'll have the biggest button town. My Botox lady told me I need Sculptra. Some thing that inject into your temples and it creates its own. It makes its own fat. What's that mean? I don't know. It sounds really scary and my husband's not on board. Damn him. Why would women be injecting themselves with something that causes your body to produce fat? I've never heard of that. Yeah, but just in your fit. You do it in your face. It causes, I don't know. It's like something that plumps up it. It plumps it up, but it doesn't do it all of a sudden. You're not putting in like a fake stuff. Like cement or cement. Right. I mean, I already have the cement in my butt and that looks amazing. Oh, you do. Did you get a butt sculpt? I got cement. No. You never know when you're going to ask to be a speed bump in the neighborhood. That's true. That's true. And we have speed bumps in the neighborhood and I'm looking for a job. So you got like a butt sculpt or what? How did they do it? I was just making a joke. Oh, I thought you really did. We're in LA. I was so excited to ask you. No. So I've also never heard of the template. I didn't have some laser lipo though on my... But that was, you know, why on the podcast, we got it for Lynette and I got it for free. So we did it. What the hell? It didn't make a huge difference though. It's just kind of like, oh, they took a little fat out of the upper thigh. For the laser or for the butt? The laser. It was like laser lipo. And it didn't make a huge difference? Not really, no. Because I saw on one house when I showed, I think it was the Cheshire one. I don't remember. But one of them, they went to get their fat frozen off. That's a thing. Have you ever done that? I've never done that. Okay. On your show, talk about frozen fat and then take me instead of Stephanie. Okay. I mean, it's so funny. And see if anybody offers us to do it. Yeah. So we can get some free frozen fat. I would be such a whore for Botox. I'm not even kidding you. We were... 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Before we move on, I have to say Bethany had the best line of the year so far when she said when she was talking to Kristen and Kristen was like, Bethany's like, yeah, you know, we didn't get along at first, but, you know, we've all got our shit. And Kristen's like, you know what? I really don't. Like, I'm young, I'm gorgeous, and my kids like me, I mean, I don't have any shit, really. And she's like, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. She's like, no, I mean, my husband's mean to me. But otherwise, I mean, it's great. Oh, I know. Because I just give him a blowjob and it's great. Bethany goes blowjobs with the windows to the soul. Yep. That was so funny. Yep, and with that, their friendship was cemented. Oh, yup, the end. Blowjob, blowjob, the end. So did we have anything else in here? The stupid, they play a joke on Ramona in case anyone thinks we didn't notice that. Yeah, no, there's a good thing coming up where they come back and Sonia and Ramona are talking. And Ramona says, oh, the thing I love about Sonia is she just like, you know, she gets mad, but then she just gets over it. She's just, you know, a rock. And then Sonia tells Ramona, like, she can't just go off on her about her drinking and then, you know, want her to come party. And then my favorite Sonia line of the episode was, she says, she's talking about how she doesn't really need these girls. And she goes, I mean, this is one click. I have many clicks around the world. Yeah, I have many clicks. OK, I know the cast of Saved by the Bell. That's a click. They never talk to me like this. There's my intern click. There's the stewardess click whenever I'm on a plane on Southwest. The stewardesses are my click. They never talk to me like this. I mean, this is disgusting. This gross. I had to take the train last week. And the people in my subway car, my click. Didn't say anything. Subway click. Thanks. Oh, Sonia. All my super drivers together, they're a click. They don't click with each other. But I click with all of them and we're a click. I wrote down one funny thing because this one I watched. Oh, did you have something more for that? No, just that Ramona, then Ramona's telling Sonia. Just forget everyone. Don't even listen to them. Don't even listen to them, Sonia. Like Ramona, you're the one who has started all the shit in the first place. And they all tell her too, which is so funny. Luann's like, well, you're the one who started it. Bethany's like, oh, good job, Ramona. Good job. And then run away. She's like, what? What? I didn't do anything. What are you talking about? I didn't do anything. This is crazy. I know. I loved it this part. There was a commercial break. And I was watching this illegally. So I didn't have commercials. But I loved how right before the commercial break, they showed Derinda going, you're acting like a bitch. And then it cut to Luann going, paradise. We're in paradise. So this show, you're acting like a bitch. We're in paradise from swag, from swag. Exaliferous war. And then this is the giant necklace scene. Oh my god. Thank you. Everybody. Luann was wearing a vineyard. She was wearing like a full line of wine on her necklace. OK, but it was Kristen was wearing like some kind of crazy pea ditty. Like it was like a boa constrictor of gold around her neck with a huge lock. Yeah, it was a gigantic giant. She's like, this is a statement. Necklace actually Josh got this for me on our honeymoon night. And he keeps trying to make me jump in the ocean. He is so funny. I gave him a blowjob after that. My neck still hurts because this is heavy. I mean, he's going to lie. But I love my life. Shut up, Kristen. Yeah, that thing will look like she was going to drown. Yes, that's so funny. He keeps trying to take me to the end of Docs. I don't know why. I'm not really sure what his thing is. He's just romantic. He wants to look at the ocean. The Docs. He keeps telling me jump, honey, jump. And I say, no, my hair's pretty, pretty hair. So they call they comment on the wine necklaces that you know, somebody one of them is selling on their website, I'm sure. Yeah, that's it like Mervins dot com slash the Countess. Right, right. And then, okay, then we have to talk about the the crazy Derinda losing her shit. Okay, Derinda finally had a couple drinks. First of all, Derinda saying earlier. Oh, I have a couple of drinks and then I cut it off. Cause these women there, they're schoolkeepers. Derinda, first of all, has the biggest fucking Martini I've ever seen in my life. Like everywhere they go. I don't know where they're still serving Martinis that big, but they're gigantic. They look like a trough. They're huge. So I have two drinks. And she was she had to be drunk, right? Oh yeah, she had to be because there was nothing even bad happened. These are my favorite fights when nothing happened. Heather was just saying, come on guys, you leaving? Cause some women were ready to leave for dinner and some weren't. And so some of the women were like, yeah, let's leave them. But they didn't actually. They were just kind of walking outside. And then Derinda's like, I said, hold on. Why are you leaving me? No, there's not no we weren't. I just told you we're going. I heard you, Heather. I heard you and I'm here. Why are you leaving me? Why are you talking to me like that? Nobody talks to me like that. Even Mr. Jetson talks to me with respect. She's like, I'm not saying anything. It's like, yes, you did. You're acting like a bitch. And then she just like stumbles off. But even before that, Heather said somebody says yells to Heather. Like, uh, uh, are you ignoring me? Right? It was either Derinda or who Derinda was with. No, I think Derinda says, are you ignoring me? You can hear it. And then Heather is like, no, let's go. What's up? And she goes backwards. And then Derinda is like, I said, you said you were going to. We're going to wait for me. And then Heather said, you said, are you ignoring me? And I said, no. And Derinda goes crazy. And she's like, I did not say that. You're a bitch. I didn't say that. You better back it up, Bista. You better back it up. Or I'm going to snatch those balls off and throw them in the ocean, Bista. And then I love that then Derinda says to camera, it's exhausting being around these women, all the drama. Well, I think they said Derinda in my head, because I like Derinda. So I'm coloring this. But in my head, they said, so Derinda, what about that freak out you had with Heather? And I think she was like, look, these women are exhausting. I'm exhausted. I can't do this anymore. I can't. I think she was just like, I'm broke. You know, I broke because they're nuts. It's like screaming and yelling all around me all day. But she was not even any of them. You have to have seen that. I did see it. Yeah, I did see it. That's why I'm saying I think she started getting drunk, finally. I think she was drunk too. Well, and then Heather says I was at the martini talking or was that or was she was or something or she or she out of her mind. Yeah, but Heather probably says that to everybody who thinks she's a bitch. She's like, there must be a drunk. It must have nothing to do with me patting them on the head and trying to change her diaper. That's true. But in this case, it had nothing. Yeah, it didn't. Derinda was being dumb. And then at least Heather took the high road because Heather, if I was Heather, I would have just been like, you're out of your mind. But Heather was like, okay, she's out of her mind. She's probably drunk. So then she went over and like sat on her lap or something and was like, okay, are you okay? Okay, you're gangster. Yeah, you're gangster. I'll give you that much. Yeah, and then she's like, did you think that was funny? Did you think that was funny? Oh, yeah, this is the part where she said, I thought a child stopped treating me like a child. She's like, then stop acting like one. Right. And then Ramona gives a toast. I would like to thank you all for coming to dinner. I hope you don't fight because I can't listen to you guys fighting. All you do is cause drama and emotion. I mean, do you know how hard this is for me? This is where they found Mario on Tinder. I mean, why can't Mario be on Grindr? I mean, if it was gay, at least I'd know how many feet away he was. That is not a toast. I ordered a little something extra off the menu from Mario. I'm just going to bring it back to him. I'm just going to have it shipped to him. I'd like to have the pasta and also it's a go-box on the side because I'm going to eat half and take half to Mario in case he's there. And if not, it's just going to sit in the refrigerator because I don't care. I don't care. I'm not going to throw it away. He can eat he can eat old food if he wants to. I'm a new woman. I don't care. It's not codependent if you just leave it in the fridge. When Mario was with me, I always made got him something to eat. You think that's just going to stop because he's with someone else. It's not going to stop. He's my Mario. I mean, I spent a quarter of a century with him. He's my Mario. I'm a giver. That's what I do. I give I take care of people. That's what I do. I love. Shut up, Ramona. Then they started talking about Heather's marriage or this is so we've already talked about this. We talked about this, but then they go back. And then we have our last thing that stirs up the new drama, which is that Bethany's cooking and then Ramona decides she wants to go out to eat. Yeah. And then they say like Sonia or whoever, Dorinda says, you know, we should probably run it by Bethany because she's cooking. Is she okay with not Heather says is this Bethany okay with not cooking and just coming out? And Ramona's like, oh yeah, she's fine. She's fine. Yeah. She's Bethany. She's fine. And Bethany's like, do whatever you want. I don't care. I don't care. Do whatever you want. You want to go to lunch? I don't care. I'm going to still cook. So you guys, just do whatever you want. I don't care. I'm cooking. It was so much passive aggression going on in that scene. I don't even know who's side to be on. And then Dorinda says, well, you know, we really need to go ask her. Or Heather says, I mean, this is how things work. People are having to explain to Ramona how to behave like a human. This is how it works. We have to go and we have to run it by Bethany. Yeah, I don't care. I don't care. She doesn't want to go. She's fine. She's fine. She's cooking. She likes to cook. Let her cook. Let her cook. If she wants to cook, that's fine. I mean, who am I going to judge? If you want to cook, cook. I mean, she's not even cooking, really. I like when she said to Bethany, what are you doing? Just come with us. Who cares? It's just a salad. It's not like you're making a steak. Bethany almost killed her ass right then and there. I loved that. Whenever there's a meal during the daytime, these bitches are going to fight because it's Ramona and Bethany. And both of their fights have had to do with meals in the day. It's like, who's going to come to lunch? My lunch or Bethany's lunch? You pick. You choose. I was just shocked that there were no skinny girl products out where Bethany was cooking. No kidding. Carol's like, I'm going to stay at Bethany's place just in case she has another toaster for me to take home. I want to put some blueberries in the blender. Oh, and Sonia in the kitchen trying to figure out what the coffee was. She's like, what is this? I'm just trying to find some coffees. Is there any coffee anywhere? Where's the coffee? Oh, what is this little coffee? Oh, this is crazy. So you put this in a thing and coffee comes out. I usually just squeeze pickles until my thirst is gone. This is crazy. Stupid Sonia. And Dorinda's like, they've act like they've never had a daddy who stayed downstairs and they've worked in the kitchen before. So then Bethany freaks out and just starts telling them, you're manic, you're manic. Do the better Bethany. But she was, I don't do her. Well, I can't do her. I can just do Ramona, but Bethany's manic, manic monologue while being as manic as we've ever seen her. She's like, I can't take it. Yeah, you're all being manic. You're so manic. You're so manic. I can't take it. You want to be manic? Just be manic. I can't do it. I can't. I'm not a manic person, but if you want to be bad, go have a manic lunch. Enjoy your manic lunch. It's like Jesus. I mean, yes. Do I do a little bit of meth? Yes, but I have a lot to do. I'm running a skinny girl empire, but I mean, so I do a little bit of meth. But you guys are high on life. You're manic on life. I don't like it. It's so crazy. I love that. Too much. And then Bethany, of course, had to play the violins for herself a little bit. Look, it's a kitchen. I just like to cook because I don't have a kitchen. I'm homeless. You know, they don't have kitchens in the back of camps where I've been sleeping. They don't have those. So, you know, so I'm going to cook. Shoot me. I'm going to cook. Yeah. And then, and then Bethany's, your logo should be true me. Yeah. Get yourself a shit. Your logo should be true me. And Ramon is like, that's actually not a bad idea. It's copyrighted already, stupid. Bethany's like, I'm going to have to get you to sign a waiver because I came up with it. Yeah. Your job. Luanne's like, I was there when they developed, when they developed true me. And I didn't ask for a car. And then next week, we see Dorinda just shitfaced. I cannot wait for that. Oh, it's going to be great. Dorinda angry is my favorite thing. So far, I think my favorite thing from the season was her telling Jonathan that whole, you better watch your mouth. Bringing up my daughter, mister. I'll rip those balls right up. Got it. Back it up, mister. Back it up. See, this is why, though, from that, I think that that's who she is. I don't think she's so level-headed. I just think she likes, she goes off on people and she likes to be the boss and she's very aggro. Yeah, well, I hope that that's the case, because it makes us show more fun. And I was talking yesterday, I think it was Molly we were talking about this. How Sonya in season one was nothing like she is now. I mean, Sonya in season one was so nice. I mean, she was weird. Like, she had trash all over her house and the walls had like oil leaking out of them or whatever. But she was still nice and normal. And when the ladies would fight, she would be like, oh, help this out, ladies. Can't we just talk about this like adults? You don't have to leave my party, it's okay. And then, you know, it all goes out the window. Yeah, but Sonya was also super over-sexed from her very first season. Oh, yeah. Well, I think that's like right when the husband laughed, right? Uh, I think so, but she was drinking a lot and talking about just how much sex she needs and that she's a very sexual person and hitting on everybody all the time. So, I mean, but yeah, she got weirder for sure. Maybe I just forgot season one, Sonya, because I just remember the very first scene of that, of Sonya, basically, when Luann came over to Sonya's house to plan some charity thing and she's like, I love Sonya. She's a fabulous friend and she does charities. I mean, she's famous up here, we all love her. She's the charity lady. And then they show Sonya and she's like, oh, hi. Yeah, I can find you, you know, some tape. Let me look in this box. And she was just so calm and her house was really dark. Right, right. So, I don't know, they all need a season to warm up and if Derinda is going to become a villainous bitch, I hope she does it very soon because I love that side of her. Yeah, no, you definitely need somebody like that. And I think the Bethany, I think it was just becoming too obvious, like too one note and she lost a little bit of who she used to be where she was, you know, I like Bethany being the talent like it is. Girl and, you know, calling people out on stuff. I like that Bethany, but I don't like it when it's coming from just that bitter defensive. Everybody is against me and don't you all know what I'm going through. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I was, I've had a lot of Bethany. I don't want to say hate because I mean, I don't hate her, but I've had a lot of Bethany issues, I guess when we talk about this, but the past couple episodes, yeah, I'm loving it. And I think a lot of it really does, from what I said before, just go back to her finally being around other people who maybe, of course, they don't have huge empires or whatever, but there are other ladies who are similar, they have money at least. I mean, I don't know, that's a personality trait, right? But she's around other similar women and she's not only surrounded by people that she pays to tell her yes all the time. Like she actually has to learn to interact with people again. You're right. It's going to be good for her. I like it. And she's getting therapy from Durinda. So that can only go well. Okay, I am looking at the questions on our page before we move on to Secrets and Wives. Okay. I'd also love to hear you talk about Secrets and Wives Day Time Drag Show. Okay, we'll get there. Oh, you know what, I'm going to get it for crying out loud on Facebook and see because I think your guys answered or asked some questions to you today. So what are your general thoughts on Secrets and Wives? Well, like I said, it took me a while or maybe I said before we started the podcast to figure out who is who actually, but because so many of them just look like somebody. I know you guys have said this, but Corey looks like Tamara. Uh-huh. Right. Yeah, she has Tamara face for sure. Right. And then Gail looks like Camille. And then Liza looks like Jessica Simpson. Oh, she does. She does look like a retired Jessica Simpson. Yes, like an older, slightly more manly Jessica Simpson. Although you don't even need the slightly more manly. She just kind of looks like an older Jessica Simpson to me. Oh, she does. Actually, that's very good. And who else is on this one that looks like someone else? Susan looks like Joe looks like Juicy Joe from Real Housewives of New Jersey. I think they all look like dolls made out of paper bag mache with blunt wigs like straw wigs. It's, I mean, it's so odd that they got a show because I just feel like it's just a watered down version of every other show that they already have. Yeah. But I do think in a weird way, it's cool because this is like how all these other women would be if they had no filter and if we really saw real people, like I loved honestly that some of the scenes where they're around a pool and just in their bathing suits because I was like, yeah, that's what real people look like. None of them actually have like real housewives bodies. Yeah, I guess they don't really. They all had kind of some belly spillage and some cellulite hanging out the back. And I was like, good. That's what people really look like. And yeah, they're going to say they would be horrified if they heard this because they still look really good, I think. But yeah, you're right. I mean, all Real Housewives of New York, they're starving. They're all really hungry and really skinny. Yeah, see, I didn't see. I don't think they look good. Whoops, sorry. My phone's ringing onto my, um. Oh, I hate that when it rings on your computer and your phone and the iPad and whatever, the Apple TV, it's like, Jesus, Apple, you're already all over my life. Stay out of it. Yep. So I'm looking at things on your page and there are some good secrets and wise things. I'm looking at these questions. We talked about Brandy already and as far as Brandy's new show for this question, my guess is that that will be some e-show that'll be on twice. I can't imagine her having a show. Yeah. And then there was a question for you. Who do you like better Megan or is it Megan or Kristen? Oh, who saw you on Megan's or Shannon's just a quick OC? Well, I'm on. I mean, I'm for sure on Megan's side, just because I can't. I mean, Shannon, I can't. She makes you nuts. I can't with Shannon. Yeah. I mean, she is insane and I feel so bad for David. David, David, David, David, David, you look the way you broke eye contact. David, David, we need counseling. We need an emergency session. If you're a dog, this would mean I need to send you to training, David. I mean, keep eye contact, David. Keep eye contact, David. White, your eyes are wandering. David, David, David, David. David, David, David. You guys hear a car starting? David, he's got it. He's got it. I'm on Shannon's side because I know she's wrong and I know she's crazy and I love it. I think it's so funny to watch and Megan's just being a bitch. She's being too much of a bitch. I think that Shannon is being crazy and she's in the wrong on this fight. She was rude to Megan but Megan's not letting it go. She's making too big of a deal out of it because she needs a storyline who can blame her. Yeah, well, yeah, I know. She's like, if they watch me shopping one more time in a thrift store to replace things that the other wives left at the house, I would be fired. I'm going to start a fight with an old lady. By the way, Amy was saying that she didn't think she did a good Megan and it was perfect. Amy does a perfect. I know that was exciting. We got the first Megan impersonation on this show. Yeah, it was it was perfect. Megan's, I'm Megan's, Amy's impersonations are so, so good. It was so funny listening or I didn't listen to it but just being with her doing the good ones while I do the bad ones because I was like, wow, I need to make Amy into a dialect tape and just be with me all the time so I can learn because that's just great. Yeah, but I think one of the things that's great about your show is that you they're just caricatures. They're just funny. Yeah, Amy, I like what she said about how she tries to keep it positive and and stuff because she's really I've never really been able to do a positive humor. My humor comes from being snarky and sarcastic. And Amy's just comes from such a sweet place and she really does make you laugh just being nice. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, she's like the bill Cosby of our age just kidding. Okay, so another question is the secrets and wives thing and we don't have to go blow by blow through secrets and wives because I think this is already like an hour and a half. So yeah, we can just go through it. The main issues are the basic. I'll just read this comment from Tara. This is from Tara Diamond Queel or cool. Oh, I love Tara. Yeah, so Tara says, Susan and Amy from Secrets and Wise need codependency therapy. The way they defend these total asswives is really sad and sick. Amy needs some serious personal growth. At least Susan is somewhat strong in certain areas of her life, but poor Amy is just a wet and new deal. Yes, agreed. I mean, it's crazy. It is so sad watching it, but this show and Ben and Ben and I have talked about this before, so sorry if I'm repeating, but the thing about this show is that there is definitely an element of sadness to it because on the other shows, yes, a lot of the housewives being men for their money. And yes, a lot of them are only married to superstars because they're rich. And yes, they're obsessed with narcissistic, you know, like bad boob jobs and they've got a lot in common. But the thing about this Noushua is that these women, their entire lives are built around what some dude thinks to them because they will not get a job. All of them are so codependent. They depend on their husbands for everything. And then they wonder why the husband's a dick. Yeah, you know, the husband's a dick because he pays for everything. Okay. I know it is it's it is sad. It's sort of like just a ghetto version of the other real housewives shows. It is. Yeah, it is. It's it's ghetto housewives. But this one just really makes me sad. This Amy girl, she's dating Arthur, the dentist who's yelled at her like his first scene was just screaming at her on camera for no reason in a scene that he wasn't even in outside a coffee shop in public. So that's embarrassing. And then just the way the way they all talk to her and try to do the intervention on her and the way she constantly just goes, you know, what are you going to do? I love them. I love them. You don't know the passion when we're alone. I mean, she's really and then at one point, she goes, I know I sound like she's kind of laughing. I know I sound like an abused woman. Yeah, yeah, you do. Well, they have the front prevention. So this for those of you who don't watch, they all go to Fire Island for the weekend. And it was a funny episode. But the main need of it, just so we're not here as long as Les Mays, they are having a front invention for Amy because Amy's in at least we know emotionally abusive relationship and won't get out of it. So they're having this front prevention with her and these women are so fucking funny because they're all certificates. Like, well, especially Susan, Susan's like, yeah, well, I don't like how we treat you. I mean, look at how we treat you. I mean, he's awful. You know, she's not even sick. She's pretending that she's sexual. She doesn't have to come here because he probably beat her. You know, she didn't say that, but she's kind of alluding to that. Right. Right. You know, it's like, did he punch her in the stomach? Is that a stomachache? I'm like, okay, stop. But they're kind of all giving her shit about being co-dependent. And then she shows up and immediately they notice her new ring. That finally bought me a new ring. You know, when you don't try and kiss someone in a u-string, that means that they really love you. It was new. The worst is that that was her biggest problem with the relationship was that it was the wrong ring. Yeah. She wanted a new one. You gave that one to me and then we got in a fight. So that ring is tainted. I need a new ring if you really love me. He loves me. Arthur. And then the other ladies are like, well, how do you really feel? I mean, you know, how does it feel when he's abusive to you? And then she's like, well, it feels awful. But he's such an amazing man. You don't know him. You don't know the passion when we're alone. He's an amazing man. No one who's ever been alone with him in a dentist's office has ever accused him of giving them a used ring or being mean to them at a coffee shop. He's very different. In real life, you guys have a look you have to say. When he's not hitting me or verbally abusing me or throwing things at me or telling me I'm a horrible person, then he's an amazing man. If you would all you would all want a ring from Arthur if you knew him. One time, Arthur sent me a really romantic card. It was a used car lease for a Volkswagen. He even signed it. He loves me. One time, Arthur came over to my house and he took me to the grocery store because he told me to make him some fucking dinner bitch. And it was so romantic that he came with me to the store. Whenever we go up for a romantic meal, I want to make me fucking dinner bitch and they never have it. And we laugh and laugh. And then Susan's across the way like oh that's disgusting. Who treats women like that? Just leave him. And then meanwhile, then we get to Susan who in the last episode and the beginning of this one's like yeah fuck you bitch. Your life is a slut. Yeah go fuck yourself. You're stupid bitches. You're dumb. You're a bunch of sligs. I was like oh my god. And then and then his excuse is while he's joking, right? He's just being funny. And also because I don't want to fucking hear about your fucking stupid ass spas. Your eyelash extensions shut the fuck up. Lisa, I knew Lisa when she was in school. She was just slut then like she's a slut now. They're like that's so disrespectful. You shouldn't talk about a woman like that. Women have their own brains. Oh yeah, I can't fuck a brain. So fucking flags. I'm like oh and my god with this guy. You're all a bunch of cunts. Yeah, I said it all use a bunch of cunts. Shut the fuck up. Pretty much. Chief doubling down. Like he's just on a tirade and he just keeps going. And then I love the spin on it though. Okay, Susan's spin per spin through the whole show. Hold on. I wrote down spin because I have to talk about this part when they're driving home from the party. They've basically been kicked out. So they're driving home from the party. He's falling asleep because he's so wasted. And she's like, I can't believe you acted like that. He's like, it's like what? You was so rude. He's like, I wasn't rude at all. I thought it was fun. She's like, you're horrible. But we are in the call. I'm going to give you a blowjob. Pull over that McDonald's. Like this couple. What is wrong with this couple? What is wrong with them? Okay, spin spin spin her spin. Yes, the whole time the whole later on, Susan just keeps saying, well, he apologized. He doesn't, he's just being funny. He, it's his sense of humor. He's just, it's the North Shore. We have a different sense of humor on the North Shore. And then Corey is like, uh, no, actually. Well, who said, she said, oh, they were saying, well, what did Arthur do? What happened at this party with Arthur? Oh, not Arthur with Jonathan. And, uh, Susan's like, oh, you know, Jonathan, he had a little too much to drink. And then before you know it, he says, fuck you just out loud. And they said to who? And she's like, Oh, to everybody, you know, just like a general fuck you to everybody. And then Corey is like, uh, actually, uh, that was to me. She's like, no, it wasn't, I thought it was to the end you just like, no, really? Well, Corey says, and it made me cry. It made me cry. You know, I mean, I was crying. And then Susan says, well, you know, in his defense, you cry a lot. Oh, yes. Oh, Lord. Yeah, you cry a lot. And Corey, then Corey tells us, she's like, what is with these women? Okay, they have these men. They're just standing up for them. It's like they're completely ignoring everything that they're men are doing. Mike says, the woman who just talked about how many women's phone numbers she doesn't know in her man's cell phone, and then pretended that it was just because he likes men equally as women. Oh, shut up. You're all crazy. And he's gross too. Corey's husband, the spot on me. Yeah, who did nothing when this guy's yelling fuck you. I wouldn't either. I mean, the guy's been to prison. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Corey's like, what does he think this is? Does he think this dinner party is prison? Next thing you know, he's going to punch out the maid's teeth and make a given blowjobs. You know, her English is bad enough as it is. I'm not going to have that. I'm going inside. Jeez. By the way, I'm sorry. I said the C word, but I felt like since you're not allowed to say it, you know, I was going to have to make up for it. It's one of my favorite words. I got a C word boner when you said it. You know, I love that word. I've been pretty good, though. I've only said it once, I think in five weeks. I love it. I don't, I don't understand. Okay, a funny thing that was making me laugh on the show was Gail. I just can't, I already can't stand her. I mean, she's so ridiculous, but I loved when she was there was a scene where they get there and she's like, what is this plate? I have to carry my own bags. Yeah. And I'm wearing flats. What kind of a place do I carry my own bags and have to wear flats? And they sit down at dinner and she's like, well, you know, this is the first time I've been anywhere without my husband because I don't believe in it. And this is the first time I've done something for me. And here I am. I'm here with you guys. I'm doing something for me and my husband with his business and the way he works. And then she talks about her husband for 20 minutes. Right. And then she goes up to the dinner and pours out all the oil and she's like, you don't need this. You guys don't need to eat this. This is, I'm saving you. This is bad. How are you going to find someone who looks like Danny DeVita to take care of you the rest of your life? If you're eating a pot of oil, no, it's going down the sink. And she looks like she weighs 29 pounds. She's got like the crazy, madam cheekbones. And she's like, you don't eat any oil. Okay, then this is what I also love is. So before, so they're going to go to this drag show, right? And then Gail says, Gail, who's like appalled at everybody's horrible relationships, says, well, I have to go because I have to go be with my husband. And then he says, part of our relationship that works is that I don't do anything ever that doesn't involve my husband. That's what works for us. Pretty much like that's how it works. He has an event. I'm going back for the event because that's how it works. I go to his event. Our relationship is not built on him going to events without me. If I'm not there to make sure all those girls are wearing white blazes, they're going to come out of the woodwork and stop fucking Danny. And I'm not going to have it. All right. And how many read how many marriages have they all had? They're all on like their second or third marriage, right? I think she's on her second. Liza's just finished her third. Andy has had no wait. That's not true. I think Liza, this was her first or second. Andy is the one who's had three, I think. And Andy's also the one who's always like, you know, I just can't deal with this Amy drama anymore. But she every time she sees Amy, she's like, Are you okay? Tell me about your husband or tell me about Latha. And she's always the one who's like, Oh, I couldn't take it. I mean, look at all we're going to have a friend to mention that Amy, because I wouldn't take it. I'm like, you've been divorced three times. I don't think you're the one to be giving advice on what you won't take. I mean, none of them are in the in the position where they should be giving advice and intervening. Yeah. On the abuse of boyfriends. Yeah. But I love late later, Amy tells Susan to tell her husband to tone it down a bit. Do you remember that part? No, Amy said that. Yeah, Amy, Amy, who's now engaged to Arthur, who's like the worst guy on the show. Yeah, tell Susan, you got to tell John to tone it down a bit. Yeah. That's when then Susan says, Oh, he's just being funny. That's a sense of humor. You all need to come to my sons. He's turning five. And I'm having a birthday party. And there's going to be there's going to be a petting zoo and a donkey. This is real because I think he's doing a donkey. And I want you all to come. I want everyone to come and see what a great dad John is because you only see him when he's calling everybody a cunt. You don't see me. Look, it's more normal in my family. Okay, Jonathan's a very nice person. You know, so we sis fuck off to women all the time. Who cares? I mean, my my youngest child tells me to fuck off. That's how we did it. I want you to come to this five year old's birthday party. And you'll see the cakes going to say fuck off five year old because that's how we do it. That we show our love. I mean, crazy. What is wrong with these people? Amy, I understand I'm sticking up for you. I understand good for you for sticking up a young man. She's like, listen, all of you should be lucky to have a man who tells you to shut the fuck up and calls you a stupid whore. It's how he shows his love. He's affectionate. That's his way of being affectionate. You're all jealous. You're all just jealous. And listen, when we wrote our own vows, I said, I love you, Jonathan. I do. And he said, go fuck yourself, see where I love you to. I mean, the end. I mean, happiness. Am I right? If you can't understand that, maybe you don't understand love. That's your problem. You don't understand love. He's been in prison. Yeah, he might have picked up a few bad habits, but everybody has bad habits. Yeah, you know, he's still trying to blow the godness. So what? I'm used to this is life. It's his life's work. You know, love is a four letter word and so is fuck. Same numbers in the words. They're the same. They're the same. They're like, that's not the same at all. It is. I'm going to the bathroom. Oh my god. So she gets up to go to the bathroom and Amy's like, God, that wasn't nice. She was just trying to stick up a man. And then it's the two codependent bitches in the bathroom. And she's like, I like how you stick up being a man, Susan's like, I know, right? I like how you stick up. I mean, you should dump your man though, because he's so, but you know, still hugs. Hugs. Yeah. You know, our men tell people to shut the fuck up and they tell us to shut the fuck up. And you know what? Sometimes we might need a corrective. That's all I'm saying. Like, sometimes we're shooting off our mouth and somebody needs to tell us to shut the fuck up. I mean, we need to ask ourselves, could I be doing better? You know, I've been doing better. Yeah, that's Amy too. She's like, Oh, you know, it's fighting. You know, it's because I need to change too. We don't need to change. I keep running into tours. It doesn't like it. You know how hard it is to tell the maid in Spanish to clean the blood off a door, because like Google translate. There's political translate. That's all you need. This show is crazy. Oh, and Susan's really hypocritical other than because of why we just said, but not only is her man abusive, when they were talking about Amy earlier, Susan was like, Oh God, her man is horrible. I mean, he's not even generous because I asked how much money he gives up. Nothing. I mean, and they're like, Oh, he's very generous. He's got to use feet W. She's like, Oh, whatever. That's not generous. Her father is generous. Like, Oh, my God, these women. They're so awful. It's just awful watching them, but it's hard to look away. It is hard. I read an article. I think someone posted this on our Facebook, but it was an article. It was an interview with Susan and interview with Susan. And they were saying, So Susan, you know, you've all the women are mad at your husband and this and that. What was your life like? What was it like being married to someone in prison? She's like, Well, we actually met like a day before he went to prison. And then I waited for him. And it wasn't a day, but she had just met him. I think they'd been dating for like two weeks. Something crazy or like a month. And he told her, I'm going to prison, bitch. And she's like, Oh, wait. So she just waited for him. So the whole beginning of their relationship was while he was in prison. And then the first time I guess they did it was or one of the first times they did it was the blowjob in the McDonald's parking lot on the way home from prison. When you know, he still smelled like yesterday's penis. Like that couldn't have been good. I know. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. But it is funny how she keeps also defending why he went to jail. It's like it was just a little financial thing. He just like, you know, he, he fell on someone else's money. And then he got accused of taking it. He didn't take it. He was just covering it by accident because he fell on it. You got to love the women on this show because they're like, Oh, well, you know, who did mind it? The people whose money he stole because they're still poor. And she's like, you make more money, you know, they can ask a husband for $20. I have an $80 million business. Okay. I understand. Oh, this woman is crazy. Oh, and she's just with with the with the can't these women just be happy for me. It's not judging. Oh, and then the other big thing and then we'll end the show. I promise you. But the other big thing that happened was Susan finally confronted Gail. They're all having this nice dinner. And everything's great. And Gail's about to leave to go see her husband's event or whatever. And Susan's like, well, I'd like to say Gail's always mean to me the end. And Gail's like, I have never been mean to you. She's like, yes, you do. You called me trash. All I'm trying to do is be nice. Like when we see each other at spin class, I say hi. And then remember that time I tried to get you a discount on jewelry. She said that. And then Gail's like, I have never been mean to you. I heard last July, you were saying awful things about me. So in July, I said, that's it. I'm not fake. And that's it. It's been since July. And Susan's like, I never said that. Right. And then Gail's like, I'm not a phony person. And then during this little scene that you're talking about, somebody says, somebody says, oh, we all talk shit about each other. It's a North Shore. Everybody talks shit about each other on the North Shore. That's what we do, Liza. Liza is like, we all talk shit. You talk shit. I talk shit. We all talk shit. Who cares? And then later at the next meal, because everything's at a meal, the next meal, Liza's like, oh, you know what I wanted to talk about? Your husband, Susan. Like she's the one who starts it. Like, are you going to be the mature one or not? You've got to remember which angle you're going for here, lady. Okay. And then then after the thing where she confronts Gail or Susan confronts Gail, one of the dudes that they're staying with just goes like pops up with that head, the head bandana. And he goes, well, can you get along with this Gail? Could you click with this Gail? You couldn't click with the other Gail. But can you click with this Gail, honey? And then they all look at Susan. And she's like, yes. Yeah, because she's the one who's always wanted to be friends. She's like, I guess I could try to click with her. You're the one trying anyway. Meanwhile, Gail looks like she's going to barf the nothing she just ate. She's like, oh my God, please wait, wait, and before we before we wrap, we do have to talk about that drag show. Because what was up with the the stand up comedy? And then he's like, well, if you're not going to be able to take a joke, you're you're in the wrong place or something. He's basically going, you're a fucking asshole. The drag queen is worse than John. He's just like, you guys are fucking asshole. Yeah, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It's a drag show. Yeah, it's like, but at least I want to drag the drag show. I guess that was for TV. Like, maybe you'll hear things you don't like. Please don't beat up a gay person because of this one drag show in Fire Island. Okay, they're like, I'll drag show. I can't believe that Gail was not at that drag show to try and get some future business drummed up. I mean, girl, if you're business if you're business partners with your husband, which is a lie, I can't believe she didn't go. She could have been handing out implant coupons or something. I mean, you are dropping the ball, girl. It's true. And then they do the, uh, the catwalk thing. They have a catwalk contest. And then for no reason, they all start square dancing, which turns into dancing the horror to Hava Nagila. Siri, did you see that? I mean, they were square dancing. Why? No, I don't understand. That's how we do it in the North Shore. We, we don't just dance. We dance like a Jew at his bum. It's fine. That's how we do it in the North Shore. If someone throws a dollar on the floor and you get to pick it up, it's an added bonus. As long as we're all men in the eyes of God now, if you have an extra dollar, you have to give it to my husband, my husband, John or hell, tell you to shut the fuck up and give me your fucking money. Shut the fuck up. I was Jonathan, was it a scream for the drag queens to shut the fuck up? Have his tongue cut off and shut up his corn hole like he deserves a little bastard. Oh my God. And that brings us. We made it. You know, this is almost a two. Once I add, um, all my talking and commercials at the beginning, this will be over two hours long. You did it. It's a record. Yeah. Um, not for us, but for a guest. Yes. Oh, I didn't have to go eat a subway sandwich. Like Heather McDonald. I loved that. I loved that. Heather McDonald did not know what to do with us. My husband, Peter's here. He has a subway for me. I got to go. You're like, really? And she's like, yeah, that was so funny. I met her in real life that week. Um, or like the next week or something at Leah Black's book signing party thing. I was hanging out with Amy. And I guess Amy's friends, Amy's friends with everybody, that girl. So I talked to her and I said, Oh, I'm running from the thing. And she's like, Oh, you guys are funny. But it was fun talking to her in real life. She is, um, like that in real life. I really like I used to be friends with her. I mean, I'm still friendly with her, but I used to do stand up together many years ago, give that woman a lot of crap. Uh, some of our comments and tweets and stuff after that were like, I don't, you know, I really didn't like having to listen to that Republican conservative blah, blah, blah, which I mean, I like being friends with people who are nothing like me for the arguments alone. I, it's always something different than you're hearing from your other friends. Like that week was, um, the week I saw her, I guess was like two weeks after the Bruce Jenner Caitlin thing. And she was saying, you know, no one stands up for Chris Jenner. And I thought that was the funniest thing we were laughing so hard. She's like, all my friend, everyone got mad at me for saying it, but I'll say it. No one stands up for, no one stands up for the wife. I mean, look at Chris, you know, that's got to be so hard. And Amy was like, oh, I don't know. You know, we just kind of laugh. And I said, I feel sorry for Chris because she's been managing this loser for years. And he's finally made money. And she got fired. I'm like, if you're going to feel sorry for her, feel for that. Right. But it was just like a different kind of point of view on it. So I like her. I don't know. Well, she was funny on your show. Yeah, she was good. I was laughing out loud. She's really, really funny. And I love talking to anybody who actually knows the people that we're talking about. Oh, yeah. I love that. Yeah, I was just at dinner with Tamara and blah, blah. Right. I know. She did. She had a little juicy gossip. I can't remember what it was, but there were some. I don't remember either. Yeah, it was something good. I think she said David and Janin were still together or something. Anyway, she's I really liked her. I just have so much fun doing this. This is really great because I am a homebody. Shut in. And this is how I make new friends. And I really have it. It's really worked. Yeah, it's really fun because we could we would totally be friends in real life. Oh my God. I think about you all the time. I think about hanging out with you guys. Yeah, let's call us. I would meet you guys. Yeah, call us. We'll go have a drink or something. I mean, when when you're on your fourth divorce, call us. We'll be your gaze in the meantime. Oh, man. Okay. Maintenance blow jobs to your husband. I was talking about on this show. I love that. Oh my God. Well, you know, when you're not going to talk about parenting, because you have a sex expert, you got to talk about sex. Yeah, I love that. Married sex is a little bit different. The maintenance blow job while you're watching the housewives. I was, I know. I was it. Listen, I was exaggerating for the sake of comedy a little bit, but I have done it. Loved it. I mean, if you're going to try and get your husband to watch a housewives with you, that's how to do it. Exactly. People are always actually, someone named Jutz just asked that on our Facebook. She said, how am I supposed to get my men or how am I supposed to get my boyfriend to watch a show with me? And I forgot that beautiful piece of advice. Give him a blow job during it. Right. You can just listen. You don't really need to see it. You know what they all look like. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me anytime. Ben and I will actually be doing for crying out loud at their live show. August 25th at, is it at Tinhorn Flats again? You know what? You're, you found out before me. Oh, you didn't know? No. Oh, yeah. We're doing your show. I thought we talked about it somewhat. Maybe it was. Well, I said to you, no, I talked to Patrick and he said for sure that he thought it would be a good idea for us all to do it together. And I was like, yeah, that's fantastic. But he didn't tell me a date. Oh, yeah, he opened it up. So it's August 25th at Tinhorn Flats in Hollywood. If there's a change, I mean, just check our things. We'll tell you. But I'm so excited. That's my 40th birthday. Okay. Is it really? Yeah, that night is my 40th birthday. And my mom was like, you're going to spend your 48th, your 40th birthday doing a podcast with like Ronnie. And I was like, listen, that's where I get to say the C word and nobody gets mad at me. That's where I get to be a horrible human being and people are like nice to me for it. Why the hell would I go with my friends? I'm doing that. Agreed. Can't wait. So come see us because that's going to be so much fun. And we'll all be there. All four of us will be there. So that's August 25th at Tinhorn Flats. Ben and I are trying to put together a live show in Austin for either July 24th or July 25th, but we cannot find a space. So if anybody knows of a space in Austin, please let us know on Twitter or whatever. You can find Stephanie and the for crying out loud podcast on Twitter at Ace Moms. Their podcast, obviously, is for crying out loud. They're also on Facebook. They have a great Facebook page. There's a lot of interaction there. And we do too. So come to our Facebook. There's is for crying out loud and ours is at Watch with Crap-ins. And don't worry. I'll put your links and stuff in the show notes and at the beginning of the show. Awesome. Thanks, Bonnie. Thank you so much. That was so fun. All right. We'll talk soon. Talking, so bye. If you like listening to comedy, try watching it on the internet. The folks behind the side show network have launched a new YouTube channel called Wait For It. It's got interviews with comedians like Reggie Watts, Todd Glass, Liza Schleisinger, slicing, driving friends with it for 10 years. One of the funniest people out there. And I still have a hard time with the last name, Liza. Our very own Owen Benjamin. That's me. Takes you on a musical journey down internet rabbit holes and much more. You don't have to wait any longer. Just go to youtube.com/waitforaccomedy. There's no need to wait for it anymore. Because it's here. And it's funny. 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