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Get free shipping on qualified orders, C-site for more details. Hello and welcome to the Watch what Crapin's podcast, the podcast about all that crap we love talking about on Bravo. I'm Ronny Karam from Trash Talk TV and joining me as usual is the thin, gorgeous, talented, and very well-groomed Ben Mandelker. Hello, Ben, he's from the Manger Blender podcast. Hi, Ben. Oh, hi, Ronny. How are you? How are you? Oh, you know, I'm making my way through the day. I'm making my way through the day like Vanessa Carlton. And she's trying a little positivity then, all right? Trying to make my way. At least, although I think Vanessa Carlton is just making your way downtown, but I like to think that I'm making my way downtown via the day. Well, the other way why is better. You can find all our social media links over at WatchitCrapins.com. If you want to follow us on Twitter or Instagram, I posted a picture of my dog eating a bag. So, you know, that's always worth it. 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And also, you could just keep us in clothes, which is always helpful. So, thank you to everybody who subscribes to us, because you're making our dreams come true, you guys. Yeah. Um, so we have a big episode today. Lots of stuff has happened this week on Bravo. But the biggest thing that happened. Real housewives of New York returned. And what do you think? Oh, I'm so happy. You know, this is my favorite of all the real housewives. Regardless of who's in the cast, I love it. But I, I, I'm loving it even more right now. It has, the cast is bigger than it's ever been before. There are eight women on this show. Yeah, I don't think all of them are going to survive until next season. But I am, I am on board and I am ready for this roller coaster of a season to begin. Oh, it's going to be so good. Well, New York usually makes me crazy because they're so like, yelly and screaming and kind of toxic. They're kind of New York and Jersey. The east, the east coasters are a little too much for me. But, um, I really love the past. Ever since they got rid of stupid fucking Jill's errand. Okay, shut up, Jill's errand. If you're listening to this, you're probably talking at the same time. Shut up. Well, no, to be fair, Jill's errand, her first two seasons was great. Everyone loved Jill's errand. But then when she got into her fight with Bethany, it was like she became a fame monster. She just wanted to be famous and, um, she's, you know, she became the worst. She still is. She's on, she's starting Twitter war. She's trying to start Twitter war. She was on Twitter yesterday saying, oh, I sure did see Ramona. Ramona's husband cheating it at party in the Hamptons. I saw it with my own eyes. Don't call me a liar. True dad. She like hashtag true dad. And I was like, oh, Jill, you're kind of your hashtagging things. True dad, Jill. Like this is awkward and this was posted by Cindy C. So thank you. It's like one of the best posters on our site. But let me bring it up because it's hilarious. Jill's errand. You're not on the show. Okay. It's like she's watching it live and live tweeting like she's on the show. You know that bitch still submits bravo blogs every day. Just in case you like forget posting. Yeah. Excuse me. Wow. It took a lot of that. It took a lot of that out of me. So should we just go through the epi? Well, first the biggest thing is. Bethany's back. Right. It's not the biggest thing. I mean, there are a lot of big things to be honest. There are so many big things. Okay. Well, Bethany's back. Oh, the mouth. The mouth. And yet I still I still stand by what I've always said before. God, so busy. I have so much to do. I mean, look at what I'm doing. I'm in the presidential suite here. I am at the president. I mean, I'm always crazy. Can you believe it? I'm homeless. I mean, look, I have all this money, but I'm homeless. I don't know what to do. My husband stole the house that I worked for. Here's what I have to say about Bethany. I've always said that she's better in the context of the real housewives because she's a little bit more diluted. And I still agree with that. She did make me laugh this episode for sure. But you know, where I sort of lost her was a little bit of the victimhood. Like on the one hand, when she was crying at the end of the episode, and she's like, I work so hard. Like, and they show footage of her trying to sell cookies from like season one. And then it's true. She has worked hard. And she's and it does suck that she doesn't get that apartment. So I'm like totally on her side for that. But where she where she loses me, where she's like, I mean, I'm homeless. I'm homeless. I mean, I don't know. I need to have a home for my kids. I don't know. Like, I don't know. I can't have another kid because I don't have a home. I'm like, you just said that you bought a place in the Hamptons. You bought a place in Soho. And I'm looking for another place. You know, you can spare me the homeless act just a little bit. Yeah. And also she forgets that she had a spinoff show that we watched, where we got to see her husband driving around door to door, helping her become successful. You know, helping her with her branding, helping her with her ideas, helping her with her business that made her a humongous success. So sorry, but cameras were there, and we saw that. So you need to stop your bitch in. Okay, hon, because we saw him earn that money. I mean, he literally drove around from store to store with her, selling that shit and getting that in stores and blah, blah, blah. He earned it. We also saw her treat him like total shit the whole time they were on that show and have a fit when he threw her a surprise party. And just treat him like total trash, bitch. I'm sorry. I don't feel bad for you at all. I hope he gets your money and good for him for staying in that house and refusing to be poor because you decided to discard his ass. What? You know, I don't actually know the details of their divorce because I just sort of like put on my blinders, all like the Bethany Frankel gossip. What, like, do we know like what precipitated it? Is it just that she was treating him like shit? No, we don't really know. I mean, I don't know because I can't, I didn't pay attention either. I only watched the spinoffs because of this. Yeah, when it comes to reading it, people posted talk show clips and stuff. And I was like, yikes. But, you know, I don't hate her. She just gets on my nerves. It's like that that yappy New York thing that you just, it made me crazy when I lived there and it makes me crazy now. And she's like very aggressive. Yeah, and it's not a New York thing. Everybody in New York knows what I'm talking about. It's the yappy New York thing. It's like the Ramona and Bethany yappy yappy yappy. Yeah, exactly. And it's weird because it used to be more charming. I think when she was poor. But now that she's like successful, it's somehow insufferable. Yeah, and she's got, you know, the first episode is she staying in the presidential suite. Was that at the plaza? That couldn't have been the plaza. No, that was at the Essex house. Oh, I was gonna say. Now I don't be maria. But like still, that's the thing to me. I'm like, this just seems so excessive. It is, but she's like going to the presidential suite. But then she's like, oh, you know, because I'm working on my book, the kids book and then a book about drinking. And then, you know, she's got a table set up with all of her skinny girl products. It's like, come on, it stops. She's coming off as just too thirsty. Like she's always plugging something. Like just be a fucking real person for two seconds. She did make me laugh a lot through the episode too. She's just maybe a little bit too phony for me. Yeah, I don't know. We'll have to see how the season plays out. You know, is she going to be the fun, like, like voice of for the people as she was in the beginning? Was that like the course, you know, the recourse or is she just going to be now, like, really arrogant, like this arrogant, successful businesswoman who needs to be taken down a peg? I mean, if you ask me, if you ask me, the entrepreneur to watch is Luanne because she's the one who has that fabulous flatware and plates and bowls that she's trying to sell. I don't know. Maybe Toasting will come back and install it again, and Sonya will make everybody regret it. Yeah, exactly. Skinny girl toast. That's one of my favorite things. Skinny girl toast. One of my favorite things is when she says, "I've run an international business." Like, "Oh, shut up." So do I, because I'm on the internet. Shut up, you dumb hoe. And later in the episode, she's like, "Just Bill Gates put up with this? Does Oprah put up with this?" I'm like, "Uh, you're neither, okay? Blue screen of death?" Well, I think that's what she was trying to say. Is that like, she's still like one of us. Oh, I didn't get it that way. As she talks to her gay porn star, turned reality star real for her. Fredrick Ecklund? Fredrick Ecklund. He's like, "What's your fetish?" Ooh, there's some Russian people outside. Bill are about to bark. Ooh, about to-- Biller, I believe in you. I believe you can hold it, Biller. Good boy. He just gave me the slowest look. Like, are you fucking kidding me? They're all-- do you hear sirens? They're all sorts of sirens that you're at here. Oh, God. MJ probably can't get her fridge open. Her mom probably locked it on her. What is all this? What is this fridge? I lock for you. You find real men. Oh, no, it's not Persian fridge. Persian fridge shape of a pomegranate. So the next scene was Kristen. And she's still with that ugly fucking husband, wearing his branded everything, I'm sure. And then all I could hear was screaming babies, and I had to fast-forward. I can't. I'm done with her. There's really nothing that's going on in Kristen's world, except that her baby's now walking, which is good. I mean, I guess. Who cares? Yeah, exactly. That's like-- My sister called me one time and told me her baby pooped in the toilet because she gave it an M&M. And I was like, "I really don't give a shit, okay? I poop for free today." Oh, let me tell you something. I've pooped-- I've done more than my share of pooping today. [laughter] For those of you who don't know, what should really be all of you, I am in the midst-- Oh, no, why are you doing that? I was so proud of you. I'm in the midst of a thing that's going on with my bowels. That's all I'll say. Lisa Vanderpump does not have this problem. Yeah. Lisa and I are polar opposites right now. [laughter] She's like the queen, right? She doesn't poop. Well, I am like the court jester. And I am really having some issues. But let's just say, oh, yeah. Nothing's really going on, Kristin, except, yeah. The thing is with Josh is that he's a sort of guy who gets under armor, like non-athletic under armor clothes, you know? Like an under armor polo shirt. Wait, who does that? Her husband, Josh. Oh, I'm so sorry I was out of it. And you said under armor and I was like, hey, that adds always on tinder or something or grinder. And I was like, what is this under armor? It's underwear? No, under armor, well, there's under gear and there's under armor. What is under armor? Under armor is like athletic stuff. Oh, well, that's why I don't know. It's like sports, it's clothing you wear when you work out or when you do sports. But they have clothes. But they also have clothing that you just can wear normally, but no one gets it for that. It's like going to a Victoria Secret catalog or the store. I'm buying a dress there and so the lingerie. One of my friends just paid $175 for yoga parents. Do you know how disgusted Buddha would be with that? You know, getting your underwear in your bra like everybody else at the YA in El Paso. At the risk of being totally judgmental, when I see women wearing yoga pants around, just like casually, like sweatpants, whatever, I pass massive amounts of judgment. You do? Oh, I hate it. Just anybody in yoga pants or like specifically like? It's always, because it's always like the, it's like, you know what? It really is like when I see, when I see a whole bunch of women, I know this, I admit it. I know this sounds totally sexist. I'm sorry. But this is just how I feel. You know, when you see a bunch of women walking around the yoga pants and their yoga mats everywhere, it's like you go up to San Francisco, you walk around the Marina down there. It's everywhere you go. You go to Montana Avenue in Brentwood, a bunch of women in their yoga pants. It's just, it's like the yoga pants really aren't the problem. It's more like, oh, this is basically informing me of what sort of person you are. Like you are just one of these like really insufferable lululemon types. Lululemon, yes, those are the expensive yoga pants. Yeah. Well, Ben, that was totally sexist and I'm burning down your pizza shop. I know. It was totally sexist, but you know what though? There are a lot of guys who do, look, I just bash the guys. Guys, we're under armor polo. Well, that's true. Yeah. Well, I'm going after everyone. There's a new yoga place down the street from us and everybody's carrying around their yoga mats and then they're their yoga pants too. And I saw one of my neighbors the other day walking with her yoga mat and her yoga pants. And I was like, you're the biggest seaward I've ever met in my life. I cannot believe you're bragging about some spiritual exercise. How about not being a seaward? How about that? And then you can try and touch your toes later or maybe like jog. Bitch, because yoga ain't working. I mean, I get it. If you're going to do yoga, like you have to put you have to put on yoga pants. I get that. But there's some times. Put on some shorts. Yoga pants. What they're talking about. Yoga pants are thin, jogging pants as all they are. They're jogging pants that are easier for your ass to eat. Okay. It's like thin bagel bite things like sandwich bagel things. It's just easier to get down. Yeah. And I'm sure there'll be some things that CrossFit guides do that will drive me nuts in a similar way. So don't worry, ladies. Run really fast and then pick up weights that they can't carry and almost throw out their back and then throw the weights really hard down on the ground. It's like, I'm so sick of watching guys flipping giant tires down the sidewalk. Whatever happened to push-ups? Whatever happened to a medicine ball. How about you walk back from the store every once in a while? Stop using the horse. There's some tractor out there that needs that tire. Speaking of exercise, my favorite opening line of all of them was carols. I'm on a new diet. I'm eating cucumbers, vodka, and butter. Lots of butter. She's so funny. Cryptkeeper Carol. I know. I like to keep on making Heather go holla every year. Heather had like a true dad in this episode or something. I was like, oh no, Heather. So you still think your pee did snoop. Real it in. So the ladies meet for lunch or breakfast or something and they all immediately start talking about what a crazy asshole Sonya has been lately and I died. She went to a Molly Ringwald cabaret performance which is hilarious in itself. Exactly what they were like. Did you see the island page six and then they flash a headline from page six that was like, Sonya Morgan makes a boozy entrance at Molly Ringwald cabaret show. I was like, what the hell? I had to look it up immediately. She shows up to Molly Ringwald's cabaret show and starts talking to her on stage through the whole thing apparently. Yeah. I was like drunk off her ass and wearing jeans and whatever. Um, let's see. What else happened on there? Yes. So they were like, so they were like in shock about that and they were like, because that could, Luann has invited everyone to her new house in the Hamptons and she had to, she invited Ramona, but so she invited Sonya also because she had to. Um, so that is that. So then, so then Ramona met up with Sonya. I think that's what happened next more or less, right? They met up with, she met up with Sonya because she's been ignoring Sonya. So she was going to talk about her broken marriage to Mario, which is hilarious because Ramona's take on her broken marriage is just total horseshit. And anybody who has a newspaper on their internet knows what horseshit she's viewing. She's like, well, you know, he begged me back. And so I went back to him. And so, you know, he just wanted me back so bad, but I just couldn't forgive him. And I'm like, bitch, please. He was like with some 15 year old blonde girl all over town. He was not begging you to come back. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, they got into this like, my, my divorce was worse. Well, what, I mean, basically, Sonya's like, she's like, okay, I want to hear what's going on with you. I want to find out what's going on with you, singer. And so then Ramona's like, well, you know, my, I feel like my world is falling apart inside. And then Sonya's like, well, that's exactly how I felt in 2005, you know, which is, that's how I feel. And you know, but then now I'm doing great. I'm doing this, I'm doing that. Ramona's like, uh, okay. Ramona's like, well, you know, I had 25 years. Sonya's like, yeah, but I had nine years plus seven that we dated. So, you know, I mean, that's, that's a lot of years that I'm not going to count right now. Ramona's like, yeah, but, you know, I had more and, you know, I mean, my marriage is longer. Sonya's like, yeah, but I mean, my house is falling apart. I mean, my husband was rich. Now I have nothing. I mean, I have interns that I get off Craigslist. Pickles is gone. Pickles is gone. Pickles broke computer number three. I love that Sonya. Sonya has like labeled the computers in her home as computer one, two, and three, which is like so like middle school. She's like, well, of course you can't use computer number two, because you keep messing up the mouse because you're so rough with the mouse. Like, oh my God. I'll take a computer number three. That's some mouse that she got like in a box on the street. This one was sleeping there, sit out. Who's like, wow, a mouse. Yeah. It's an actual mouse. She's like, well, you know, I found this mouse in central pay. Then I put it down. Every time I try to right click, it bites me. So I think I must be doing something right. Stopping so hard on the mouse, you never get to move the cursor. Because you know what? When I click on the mouse, it bites me and I curse. So I'm the cursor. I've become the cursor. The mouse has turned me into the cursor. Then she's like, listen, no one takes me seriously, but I have an international empire. I've got a fashion line happening. I've got this, I've got that. You just wait as she's lying, getting her gold leaf put on her face. And she's like, oh, well, I got to go. It's time for the dog's trainer. Yeah, sounds like those international brands are really coming to life. I like when she's telling Ramona, listen, when we go to the Hamptons, you cannot let these girls just talk to me like that. You have to stick up for me, okay, Ramona? Ramona's like, no, I've got my own problems. I don't like to stick up for you. I don't feel comfortable with that, okay? Because you know, my mother used to like me to stick up for her. And then I would get Zukimi thrown in my face. I do not want noodles in my face tonight, all right? Okay, I'm sorry. You know what? So when I was a child, Geraldine Parsons Smith would come over and she would say things about me and I had to stand up to myself for myself. And I don't want to do it anymore for you or for anyone else. 'Cause I'm sick of it, because Geraldine Parsons Smith really bothered me. So when I see people throw spaghetti's or zoodles, I'm sorry, you just have to deal with it yourself. I'm gonna tell you what I told my mother, okay? Sometimes it's up to a woman to stick up herself, okay? And then I would run into the woods and I would cry all alone. But did my mother come stick up for me when the trees were being mean to me and dropping leaves on my head? No, and that's where I learned. It's time to stick up for yourself, okay? So this is funny, I'm really remembering this right now. This is like my childhood right here. I would go into the woods, okay? And I would see a squirrel. Okay, this is really funny now. I would see a squirrel and say, "Hey, squirrel, come down and play with me." And the squirrel would just run away. And I would cry and cry and cry. And everyone would be like, "Why are you crying?" I'm like, "Well, 'cause the squirrel didn't want to play with me." And they would say, "Well, that's because you're an awful person." And I hated that, but I had to stand up for myself because I know the reason why the squirrel didn't want to play with me is not because I'm a bad person. It's 'cause the squirrel was mentally deranged. That's all. Okay. Okay. I love that so I'm just like, "Well, you have to stick up with them." You know, you have to stick up for me. If they make fun of me, you've got to tell them, "No, she's not just a toaster." She's not just a person with a toaster, okay? She's got an international business. She knows George Clooney. I mean, she was being sued for being a film producer because she's got so much money. I mean, look at all the products you have. Thanks, Sonia. Please stop trying. You have nothing going on. You still have nothing going on. You don't even have a toaster. Where's your toaster? Yeah. Missing toaster, all right? I want to see that fucking toaster. Bring out the toaster. Speaking of not working, Carol, she's like, "What? What's the deadline? What do you mean? I'm like, "I'm on the contract." But I found Tinder. I'm on Tinder. I don't, I don't, I'm going to write about Tinder. My books didn't be as long as a Tinder profile. Every chapter's going to be a profile. It's too hard to even respond to Tinder's with emojis. The widow's guide to swiping left and right. So let's see. Dorinda. Okay, the new one. Dorinda. She was like a real life soprano. She's like a real life Mrs. Soprano. She looks just like her. Yeah. Her furniture looks like Mrs. Soprano moving out on her own. What was her name? Tony and what's her name? What's her wife's name? Carmella. Carmella, that's right. She is very Carmella. She's like a present day Carmella. Tony's dead. Carmella's living alone in the city in a tiny L apartment. Yeah. It was, you know, it was a small apartment. And she talks like the maid from the Jetsons. It was a big apartment for New York standards, but small for real house house standards, because when they were sitting at their dining room, you could see into the bedroom. I was like, "And the living room." But I like her. So far, I like her. Mr. Jetson. She's like, "Robota, I understand what you're talking about, because my first husband left me in my second house, but God bless his heart and stay." It sounds like Linda Richmond now. Oh, we'll talk. Ramona. She actually had a very gravelly voice. It was actually in the Adrian Maloof realm. I can't hear it. Rosie. Rosie. Rosie. Rosie the maid. Rosie just said. But what was funny was that Ramona came over to talk, and Ramona's like- Ramona's even competitive with her. She's like, "Oh, yellow plates. I have yellow plates." They remind me of Sunshine. She's like, "I like yellow." She's like, "Well, I'm gonna make some eggs. Oh, I can eat eggs. I like eggs. I can eat egg. Mario like eggs." Mario would never eat my eggs, but every wood, because she's a good girl. Mario spread his eggs all over the place. I'm lucky that I don't have little Mario's running around. Oh, I miss those man boobs. I miss those bad man boobs. If only I massage them more. You know what's my favorite way to eat eggs? Sunny side up, because Ramona's your sunshine. Just like the plates. I want to have a sunny side up egg on a yellow plate, so that way it's like sun on sun. It's like a lot of sun. The brightest eggs you ever saw, okay? Okay. So what were you gonna say before I really interrupted you to talk about plate? No, I'm glad you mentioned that, because that made me laugh about the kids in Africa. I didn't take any notes. I find my notes are funnier when I hand-write them, because I can't just write anything down, because usually I'm like, "And then Ramona goes to this lady's house, and then they're made of fat, and then they blah, blah, blah." I can only write like one thing, because I'm like right like a five-year-old. So I just have Dorinda. Soprano. Ramona has yellow plates. So what's funny is that Ramona sits down, and she starts talking about Mario, and she starts to cry. And she's like crying, crying, and then she's like, "And you know, I just had lunch with Sony. You know, we went to Nellows, okay?" And you know, she just makes everything about her. And you know, I just didn't want to cry. I'm asking Avenue, so I don't want to cry, okay? But you know, it's like with you, I can just be me. And you know, because you give me all of this. You give me all of this. I'm like, "She's not gonna do anything. You haven't let her talk." It's definitely what she means. Yeah, she's like, "You're just sitting there and staring at me, like an audience member at a really bad dinner theater, so that's what I want." And Derinda was like applying some strange corporate talks, which was like, "That's not the way you execute that. That's not how you execute through this." She was like, "Let me get my PowerPoint present now." As long as if he wasn't happy with the marriage, that's not how you execute through it. That's not what you do. That is not good team-building skills, Mr. Jetson. Well, I like also Ramona's like bawling, and the housekeeper, or whoever it was. She just kept on coming through. I didn't know that eggs required so many plates. I was like, "This woman must think that. She must be like, 'Oh, I can't wait to tell my family about this today.'" She's vying for the next house I spot. But I also wrote Narcistic, because... Yeah, Narcistic, yeah. No, she didn't say that. She said, "I mean, Sonia, she can't stop talking about herself. She's so narcissistic." Like, "Oh, no, Ramona." And while Ramona's talking about herself the whole time. Well, it's better than on Bless One Heels, which we'll get to later when Geneva said, "Hey, why don't you just kick back and decompose?" English by Bravo. So anyway... And what was they right? Like made from Jetson's Fendi tongue. Oh yeah, then later she's hanging out with her daughter. Yeah, I really like her too, this chick. She's like, yeah, fun and down. And she also seems like a type that you can't fuck with her, you know? Maybe she has that raspy smoker's voice. Yeah, she's like, "Listen, my third husband's going to be a fat gay person who can get me a discount on clothes with to Jetson." She's like, "I'm not going to feel any shame. She ain't going to explain to us that he's gay. She's just like, "He's gay." Well, he likes clothes. He's going to get me this purse. Then her daughter spends her money on some purse. I don't know, I just think she's super adorable. And I'm all for people. You know, I'm all for gay marriage, so I hope that works out. Well, did you notice that her new boyfriend has the voice of Jax? Like, if you listen to it, he sounds exactly like Jax. He does? Yeah, go back and listen, you'll hear. It's like Jax talking. Oh, it makes me nervous. I know. So is that all that happened? It was kind of amazing. No, there was... I mean, it was just sort of like they were coming to be busy. Her gay husband, Oprah, and Gates. And that's all I wrote. That's all she wrote for this one, y'all. Anything else that my mom is? I do wonder this. I remember a few years ago, a few seasons ago, Ramona and Jill Zarin wound up at like a funeral. I think there were some funeral where like one of their friends had died. I wonder if it was Derinda's husband, because her second husband had died. And Ramona had said that she was closer than mine. I just can't remember. And I was too lazy to look it up. So that's something for the people of the potter's sphere to think about and maybe research for us. Well, I will say this to end on this beautiful show. When it ended, I was like, oh, it's over. And that hasn't happened with a housewife show in years. Yeah. I was like, oh, it's already over? That sucks. Yeah. No, it was, of course, 30 hours from now, you know, like in housewives time. I don't know that I'll be thinking that. I'll probably be like, oh, Jesus. Yeah. And by the way, just so you know, everyone knows, generally the New York Real House House of New York will be on our second episode of the week, but since our schedule is messed up this week because I was flying yesterday, we just figured we'd throw in Real House House New York City right now. Yeah, get it moving along, guys. Get us back on track over here. So why don't we move on to, you want to move on to Melbourne? Let's move on to Melbourne. They show every time I watch it, I laugh and laugh, Ben. Yeah. Even my, even, so I was in New York over the weekend and my mom, my mom doesn't like any of these shows, but even my mom was like, you know, these women, the Melbourne ones are just slightly classier than the other women that I've had to watch. I think they just have an accent. Yeah. That's how people are. I was like, I hate to break it to you, mom, but they're just sad. They're just as awful. They just have an accent that makes them sound classier. Yeah. They're not American, so we automatically give them more respect and everything in Australia cost more money. So we're like, they must be better than us. Yeah. So I wrote down a whole bunch of notes, but I honestly can't remember anything that happened. No, I wrote down a lot to them. Good. You're going to be, well, it's the mercy of my notes. Well, I have lots of notes too. I just have to like get the, get the old brain kick-statted so I can, into what everything is. My first note is Petty Flirt wants to jump her son. Oh my God, that was the most awkward. Well, she wants to sell him to the fucking clerk in the store too. She's like, look at my son. He's an handsome. Don't you want to stick your finger on his bum? Look at his bum. Look at his bum. Look at it. It's got to gorgeous bum. He's got to gorgeous bum. Awkward. He has a gorgeous bum. You know what's funny? I was at an Indian restaurant on Monday and the waitress. I was like, gosh, her accent, like something sounds so familiar about it. And I discovered she was Indian by way of Australia. So I was like, oh, that's where that accent is. Yes, that's her. I can't do her accent yet. And I would try and learn it. But she's so insufferable to me that it's hard for me to not fast forward. She's the candy, she's, she's the candy burris of Australia. An accent, a voice that just cannot be mimicked. Yeah, she, her accent is so weird. I can't, yeah, see, it's like Yolanda. She's like, see, no, koala bears. [Laughter] See? Mama! Did you read those? [Laughter] See? Now, Air's rock. Ooh, she's trying to make her son successful by buying him a $10,000 suit. I'm not sure how that's going to work out. Especially if you just got a new job and he's only got one suit. She's going to be a $10,000 suit going to smell like B.O. just as much as a $10 suit. Okay, bitch? That's right. Yeah, that was $8,000 for that suit. That's a lot. Yeah, that's nuts. Don't give an $8,000 suit to a 22-year-old. Jesus. Then, Petty Floor talks about how difficult her life was growing up poor and how she blah, blah, blah. Her son is so lucky to have her as a mother and I'm like, man, if you are this unbearable on TV when you're watching yourself, imagine what she's like at home. That cannot be good. Oh, yeah. No, I can't. I can't with Petty Floor. And her son has that kind of handsomeness that only rich people have. Because if he was poor, he wouldn't be handsome. But there's something about the fact that he's so confident because he's rich that he has that sparkle in his eye that makes him hot. Yeah, even despite his emo hairstyle. Yeah, you know, he's young. But you look at him and he's got the glimmer of a rich person. Suddenly, that makes him... He's got like a healthy sheen or something like rich sheen. It makes him more attractive. But he also has the butt that only a mother could love and does love. Ugh, creepy. Touch it. Do you want to touch it? Yeah, touch his butt. Touch his butt. Put your finger in there. Oh, yes. Switch the bitch. And by switch the bitch, I mean touch my son's butt. I mean, switch my son on his bitch butt. Yeah, let's make my son a bitch. Let's do it. Earn that. Earn that suit, son. Earn that suit. That wasn't bad, right? Actually, it's coming to me. Earn this. It's basically like you sort of have to do like an Indian accent and then like tweak it a little bit. Yeah, I'm going to put my penis in your son. Do you like that? You are lucky because in my neighborhood, nobody was allowed to put their finger in their son like I do for you, son. I tasted like a cupcake batter. I came from a very difficult beginnings. I had a very difficult childhood where I had no son whose butt I could touch. But now I have a son whose butt I can touch. But let's touch, son. Watch everyone can have a son whose butt they can touch. And I did not have that son. Until you know recently in the past 22 years. Oh, okay, so let's move on. Gina and Gamble, who are both becoming my favorite people, really fast because Gamble's crazy. And Gina is still taking no fucking prisoners. It's like she's a bit of a fan. They go to some fashion show, but it's not a fashion show. They're like donating clothes to be auctioned off. And Gina has this weird mini skirt dress thing, but not. It's a mini skirt in the front, but a dress in the back. It's like a housewives jewels all over the front type of dress. And some gay couple buys it for like $6,000 for something. And she's like, well, you know, I don't know what they're gonna do with it, but I guess we can imagine. No, technically what she said was, I didn't know what they're gonna do in the dress, but I could perish a few faults. [LAUGHING] Took a note on that. I love that. I could perish a few faults. Oh, and Gamble is basically following her around like a little puppy dog, but I love that Gina just says that. She's like, well, you know, I like Gamble, but she's a bit of a fan. Yeah, and Gamble's like, I really appreciate your help with Janet. And she did say that. She did say appreciate again. And I was like, yeah. [LAUGHING] Um, Gina, yeah, you're selling your dress. Gina, oh, I'm stuck. Wow. I'm going to bid on your dress. And then I'm going to, I really appreciate your dress. And I'm gonna, well, that's when I get to walk my dog and I'll go, walkies, walkies. [LAUGHING] Gina, I'm so proud of you for having a dress. It's so amazing. Look how you have a dress, Gina. And Gina's dress went up. They are bid on it. And then all these people started bidding on it. And everybody around Melbourne. [LAUGHING] There they are. The dress. [LAUGHING] My, uh, Gamble voice is just going to get weirder every week. [LAUGHING] Because every time, every time this shows on, I try and do it with her, like, to learn it. And I just start laughing harder every time. Because it gets harder. It's like, her upper face does not move. If I'm ready to do this, it's not me. If you're upper face, it's not me. [LAUGHING] She, uh, for some reason, I just feel like sure, I knew, like, a rubber band being, like, strummed or something. Like, whoa. It's more candy now. Candybirds. And so I'm vacuuming in the goes. Whoa. [SINGING] Sounds like a race? Sounds like a very small race car. Like, someone's racing a studio. [LAUGHING] [SINGING] [SINGING] Oh, my God. I also love this scene when Gina's like, listen, I've always got time for Chica. But, you know, Chica sits on the fence. And it takes a lot of bravery to get involved in some business. It's not yours. What are you talking about? You're like a soldier because you're getting involved in everybody else's business. Yeah. She's a bit of a fenced hitter. Well, let me tell you something about that fence. Yeah, fence is made out of cards. And your whole deck of cards is going to come down to Chica. Chica's going to be sitting on a pile of cards all over the grand cards. Grand cards. You know what they're going to look like? They're going to look like tiles. [LAUGHING] They'll look like tiles that don't go together. And then Chica's just going to be on a pile of cards that don't go together, right? Misplace tiles. No one walks a game of memory that's not finished, are they? A lot of overlapped tiles not set out neatly, like a kitchen. [INTERPOSING VOICES] What shows should she watch for tomorrow? Because tomorrow's special guest is-- And she's on it from the Rough Biscuits Podcast. The Rough Biscuits? Small potatoes. Small potatoes. Rough Biscuits, that's funny. Well, tomorrow's show will be discussing Beverly Hills and Southern Charm and Shazza Sunset. OK. Let her know that. And that's a little advertisement for tomorrow's show with the end guys. There you go. OK, so the next thing on this real house swipes of mail, but next on the real house swipes of mail, then-- Hey, what's the tiles? Speed dating with Janet. Oh, lord, girls. Every date with Janet is like a speed date, because she's like a milk with an expiration date on it. You better drink that shit fast, because it's about to turn to cheese. So I believe one of her questions that she asked was, if aliens came and invited you to their planet, would you go? [LAUGHS] Janet, that's just not the best way to-- Oh, 80's speed dating. If you were a crayon, what color would you be? If you were a Sharpie marker, would you be easy to wash out of a shirt? Or difficult. Like a Janet? If you were a blazer, would you be three buttons or two? If you were a mailman, would you drive to every mailbox, or would you park on the corner and walk? To eat? If you were a box of special K, would you be original flavor or that new one that has the chocolate in it? If you were a mosquito net in Africa, would you keep out all the mosquitoes, or would you let one in just to be naughty? [LAUGHS] If you were a plant, would you rather be a potted plant that just sits on a table? You'd start to be a hanging plant in a plastic thing. [LAUGHS] She's so ridiculous. And I love that the men coming on to her, there's like the obvious gay guy who's like, I teach. And we've been to come for 15 minutes. And she's like, really? How do you do that, darling? Darling? She was like the Australian cocoon. She was like the Australian cocoon where all the old ladies like get useful again and start boning everything. I like the Indian guy who he's like a dog lover. He was like sexy, I thought. She should have gone out with him. She probably will. I mean, god bless her. She's like, why would I go out with somebody my own age? I don't want to be pushing people around in a wheelchair. I'm like, Janet, you're 50, remember? Aren't you like 53? Yeah. You're showing your lies, Janet. If you had to be a wheelchair, would you be a wheelchair that had an engine on it or won the air to push you on the hands? If you were a walker, would you be a walker with wheels on the front or with tennis balls? Or would you just be a plane walker so everybody could hear you scraping down the hallway like a naughty boy? If you had to drink a beverage, would it be print juice or cranberry juice? Explain. If your pee could smell like anything, would it be star box or roses or just regular pee like a naughty boy? Like, stop trying to pretend to be horny over every little thing that's happening. She's like, what makes you cry? And he's like, animal abuse. He's like, oh yes, it's all about the animals. I feel like we're kindred spirits now. We're kindred spirits because we care about the animals. Oh look at that dog you love dogs too. I love dogs too. I think I'm going to marry him. Like, Jackie's with her and she's like, shine, shine, shine. You know, you're going to get with Guy. And then the guy's going to be, you know, I'm going to tell you who's good and who's not. That one's full of crap. That one's gay. That one's sad. She's like, the angels are telling me that one's gay. Like, you know, it's probably lipstick that is wearing it. She's like, actually, you've given my angel a boner. And so it's really difficult for my angel to concentrate because it's got a boner for you, Jenny. Jenny, why don't you hook up with my boner, my angel boner. Strong, strong, Jenny. 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I mean, I'm sorry, that's so shallow to talk about, but Jackie's got some big ol' boobs, right? Probably. I didn't know it was those. I just keep, they keep, like, coming into my, my frame of vision. I'm like, wait, did she always have those? I mean, I don't really look at boobs, but I just keep looking at them, so I'm just, I don't know, I'm just, I'm being Andy at a reunion. My only... Hi, Chico. Hi, Janet. Hi, Jackie. Love the new boobs. My only issue with Jackie is that she's, like, really overdoing this "Shine, Shine, Shine" thing. Like, anytime she's like walking through, she's like, "Oh, Shine, Shine. Oh, well, I like this dress. It just makes me feel all "Shine, Shine" inside, and then we have "Shine on the Shoes." Yeah, it's her turn. "Shine, Shine, Shine." Yeah. Yeah. Yes, it's her "Yes, we can." Yeah. Um, but less important. Um, let's see. Okay. Old lady questions. Pool boy. Um, cruelty to animals. Lunch with petty floor. Oh, okay. So then this is, so, then the ladies go to lunch. Who is it? Lunch with petty floor where they're talking about move over reach. And she's like, "What is my name? What is my Barbie name? If her name is the blah, blah, blah, then what is I?" And they said, "Oh, you're new for reach, Barbie." She's like, "What is this, new for reach?" You don't know what new for reach is. You're talking about how you're one of the smartest people in the world, bitch. New money. What do you think it is? I think she was with Cheeker and someone else, maybe Jackie. And, I think-- Jackie was in every scene, actually, today. Yeah, I feel like petty floor was just, like, "So, now, tell me what they've been saying about me." I'm like, "Oh, God, this woman's looking for a fight." She's like, "Have they been talking about my son with a beautiful bum? Do they want to touch it? Do they want to touch it?" New for reach. Does that mean I'm newly rich with a bum of a son? I have become wealthy with my son's bum. Why didn't she call me woman with a gorgeous son with a finger in his butt, Barbie? So, what's that? How about extremely sexy son, Barbie? How about bouncing her baby boy up and down on her lap, Barbie? How about staring out to my son while he is in the bathroom, showering to the crack of the door, Barbie? How about hidden camera in my son's toilet, Barbie? How about accidentally walking into his bedroom while he is masturbating and then saying, "Oh, my apologies. I did not realize that this was not my bedroom." And then he says, "Mom, why are you still standing here?" And I say, "Oh, I didn't realize. I'm so sorry. Let me go." Body. Okay, so she's all pissed off. Okay, so the new ones, you know, you've got to respect the new girls this year because the girls on Melbourne are hungrier than the girls in America. In America, they're like, "Wow, I hope that I can be on housewives long enough to get my, you know, new line of glasses going." And in Melbourne, they're like, "We better fight or would fight." You know, like, they come on and they are ready to rumble. Petty Floor is ready to take down anybody who she even meets. Like, this bitch is just ready for a fight, and so is Gamble, so. That makes it kind of annoying to watch, but they're very funny on it. Yeah, well, it's funny because Cheeker once again was put in the position of being the gossip, and she was like, "Well, Gamble called you, you know, she called you, uh, neither Rish Barbie." But, you know, it's really, I don't really see why it's a bad thing, you know, because, you know, it's not, you know, it means that you come up in the world. So I think it's rather a lovely thing to say about someone. Yeah, it's just, you know, you earned your money. So that money is new because you earned it. So I think what she meant to call you was good for you, Barbie, because that's the way to do it. You know, you come into this country, you came from a poor town, and then you made it happen for yourself. I mean, look at your son in an $8,000 suit. You know, old money doesn't do that. So congratulations, new money. All right, that was a compliment. Gamble just likes you. She wants to be a friend. Let's go. Let's all go hang out with Brucey. She's always trying to make everything okay. You know, Hitler wasn't that bad of a guy. He just wanted to make sure the Jews had a shower. You know, he just had a vision. You know, he had a vision. You can't fault him for having a vision. I mean, he doesn't want a nice neighborhood. Am I right? He's very ambitious. Very ambitious. You know, you can't fault him for having a vision. In my house, that's called gold setting, and we approve of that. You know, we approve of gold setting. You know, you get a gold star on the refrigerator every time you achieve a gold. Isn't that right, Brucey? Every time Brucey buys me a pashmina, he gets a gold star. Every time I can get past Bruce's man-jiner, I get a gold star. You see, it works both ways. Sometimes life takes a little digging, little digging and a little pulling. But it eventually works. Okay, so they... I'm obsessed with man-jiners lately. I don't know why. I think 'cause I'm losing weight. And I'm like, "When are you gonna go down?" So let's see. Oh, so then we have the psychic, the stupid Jackie. So I'm sorry. I don't care how she looks on the outside. I care which she looks like on the inside. So I want pictures of spirits. I want you to give me pictures of spirits. Just get a spirit camera and take pictures of their insides. I want selfies without makeup. And I just want to see souls. All right? Poor model people are like... Well, this one looks... And they're like... And the modeling woman is like, "Oh, I like this one. I think you'll like this one, she's something about sad about her." She's like, "Oh yeah, she's been sad. She feels real sad. I feel like I almost want to cry. I almost want to cry. There's a sadness about it. The angels are telling me she's sad." This one really wants to make it a modeling agency, but everybody's telling her no. But she doesn't take no for an absence. She just keeps coming back and coming back again. You know, we're gonna call her in. We're gonna call her in because she's not getting a chance. Oh, and look at this one. This one had a KitKat this morning. I can tell. She had a KitKat. I love KitKat. Let's bring her in. This one fots a smell of cupcakes. I can tell that. And I'm gonna bring that in because that's a special gift. You know, only angels can make you fot cupcakes like that. You know, most people smell like rotten fish or whatever. But this girl's got it. Shine, shine, darling. Shine, shine. This one, he has been involved in a pyramid scheme. I can tell. She feels guilty. I think we should bring her in. We should bring her in. This one's putting claro, a shampoo into little makeup bottles and selling it as a pyramid scheme. She's going to jail. I'm gonna get this one in jail. Call the police right now. I love that her and her kinky ass husband are always looking for models for something. 'Cause last year, did they have a thing where they were looking at burlesque dancers? Oh, yeah, that's right. They're always looking at hot chicks together. I like that. That's true. She's like, look at my husband. You know, he's like little, tiny Johnny Depp. He's like little Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp was being played by Danny DeVito in a lifetime movie with no budget. Isn't it? No, it's so hard. Isn't he? Shine, shine, darling. Just stick it in me. I almost just want to cry. I mean, I feel sadness about it. I feel sadness about Ben. I'm still the chair. Still the chair. All right. So what's next here? Hungry, insecure. Yeah, I was just saying. Hungry, insecure. I just... The next thing I have is... I don't remember the context of it. I just have gamble, Colin. It's hard to be cuter than my wolf pup. Why did she say that? Why did she say that? Because I don't remember, but I think she's talking about how everybody had to show up at this couple's dinner. And no one brought couples. And she's like, maybe they're saying that they're men because not everyone can have a man as cutest. My wolfy, my little wolfy pup. Oh, wolfy. Oh, wolfy. Oh, wolfy. He's like, all right, gamble. I think maybe now you should calm down a little bit. Oh, gamble. Gamble just went crazy for no reason. Gummy. First of all, petty floor is like... Gummy. I hear you call Barbies. What kind of Barbie am I? And she's like, "I've already know Barbie's Barbie." Oh, that was great fun. She's like, "Oh, because you are from money. You are from old money." It's like, "Yes, my father had a place in Palm Beach on the beach because he's sold artwork based on dolphins." She's like, "Well, so he was rich." It's enough. I don't rich enough. The house is big. You're giving... you're, I think, overlooking the best part of their argument, which is when they go, "I've heard you've been saying horrible things about me." I've heard you've been saying horrible things about me. I'm not stupid. Are you? Are you? Are you? No. Are you? No. Well, sometimes I am. Oh, then you prove my point. It's like, oh, you two are idiots. You're both stupid, okay? Yes. It's a draw. I'm going to go back to Wolfie right now. That was funny. And she's like, "I'm going to go back to last lens." Like, okay, you do that then. Yeah, they're just trying to start shit with anybody. But then it turned to Janet was talking to Wolfie, and how did she even get on Janet? Why did she start with her? Oh, I don't know. She's like, "Oh, don't tell him that. It's because you called me a prostitute." And she's like, "I did not." "Yeah, you did. You called me a prostitute and a dick-swallowing whore." And then you said my vagina was like a Holland tunnel, which isn't even in Palm Beach. Remember, I'm like, "I'm fine." The Holland tunnel is not even in Palm Beach or in Holland. Please use it, you're a graphicwriter. Can't correct. Tunnel. Gamble. Darling. Gamble. It's settled down, sweetly. I think I'd like to live. I think I'd like to live. No, we're not leaving. I see what you're doing. What if you'd like to do, Gamble? I'm down, darling. And then Rick was like, "Oh, I was a bit of a peacemaker. Oh, I was a bit of a peacemaker, I think." Good for you, Rick. Good for you. And then... And singing waiters came out. And they're like, "Oh no, then we have the Lydia thing, which was really sad." And Lydia's like, "I just went to my son's wedding and it was so gorgeous because, you know, it was a wedding." And, you know, I could really see that it was my son because when he got up there to do his own vase, they didn't make any sense. They were English words, but they went string together properly. And I thought to myself, "That's me coming out in my son because sometimes I just don't speak words right." And, you know, when I lost my son when I was 21, I gave birth to a dead son. And everyone's like, "Oh!" Yeah. And so now he's like two sons up there getting married. And so I was watching two sons up there getting married. And then someone starts laughing. No, no. I'm actually laughing at the dead son story. No. What happened was that Gamble was like smiling at Wolfie. And then Jackie was like, "Stop snickering!" But I actually didn't think that Gamble was making fun of the moment. I think Gamble was having a moment. And then Gina was like, she's having a moment with a partner. Back off. Yeah. I don't know what that is. And Gina was about to kill somebody. That's good. That was so sad watching Gina. I mean, watching Lydia cry because I just figured she didn't have any emotions. Yeah. And then I was sad that she had it still born. But also kind of a weird toast. Yeah. Like maybe let's save the dead baby stuff for like a lunch. Yeah. There's about to be fat singing waiters. So let's shove the baby story, shove the baby story. And then Gamble was trying not to say anything mean. And they're like, "So what did you think about the story, Gamble?" And she's like, "You know, women have rough lives. And you know, a lot of times if you look into women's lives, they'd be rough." There's a lot of tragedy at a woman's life. And I don't think people appreciate that very much. [Laughter] Meanwhile, when the waiters came out and started singing. And I was like, "Oh, these waiters, they're just so wonderful." I'm sorry, I'm still doing my gamble voice. I can't help it. [Laughter] It's hard. They're so different this year. It's really hard to differentiate. It's hard to transition from like, Gamble to Janet. I honestly can only do Jackie and Lydia right now with confidence. The other ones just sound crazy. I think I got better with Petaflor today, but it's going to take a long time. And Janet, I can't even do Janet anymore because she's too close to Gamble. And I can't do Gamble because she's too close to Dr. Ruth Westheimer and also the chick from Mary to Medicine. Tanya. Yeah, Toya. Toya, Toya, Toya. Oh, what I kept there, what I kept there, wow. So, no, but the best is so that the waiters start singing. And then everyone's like, "Oh, they're so beautiful. They're so amazing." And my mom just like turns and goes and goes, "Oh, he's awful." [Laughter] Well, that was annoying. Mom, what is this? Johnny Rockets. What's the place that used to have singing waiters? I used to be like, "Really? Why don't you guys focus on the food?" Is that Micelli's? Micelli's. Micelli's. Oh, I don't know. There's some place here that has singing waiters and they're terrible. It's like really? You're a white girl. You cannot be singing from once on this island, okay? Mama will not provide for you. Get out. So, what I thought was strange was that Janet then, by the end of this dinner, Janet, like, she made some comment that she was like looking forward to hanging out with like pettiflu or something like that. So, I'm like, "Oh, I thought that Janet hated pettiflu, but I guess that she likes her now." So, I just keep switching. They can't decide what they're doing. I love that Gina is just trying to pick a fight at this point with Shine Shine. 'Cause Shine Shine's like, "Oh, she's got a new house. Did you get someone in there with some sage or something?" You know, like a sidekick. You know, 'cause I'm a sidekick and I don't like spirits in my house. And Gina's like, "No, I don't believe in that." So, you just stupid. I don't like the way it smells. I don't believe in witchery. So, I think it's all stupid. And if I don't want spirits in my house, I just go in there and tell them, "Get out of here, it's 'cause I said so." And then they leave. I looked at spirit right into his ghost eyes and I said, "Get out of my house." And they go, "I don't need all this burning of sage and stinks." Get that spirit out of my house right this minute. To Jackie's credit, she didn't get mad. She was like, "You just discredited what I do for a living. How do you do that? You know, we're on television. Just get hurt my career. You know, just get hurt my professional business." Jackie was just like, "Whatever, you old cow. I don't care what you think anymore." Yeah. And then the end was Chica meeting with Gamble, with their dogs. And that's when Gamble's going, "Walkies! Walkies!" I know she learned one trick. One trick she's learned. Yeah. This is how I teach my dolls to walk. I say, "Walkie! Walkie!" And then I give him a treat. Look, if you put it on their nose, they sit down. Oh, everybody and now they know that's how to make a dog sit. And she's judging Chica's dog. It's like, "Dude, your dog learned how to sit last week." Okay. It's not like... It's not like your dog is lassie for Christ's sake. Chica's like, "Every time that Brucey takes the dogs to Saxoth Avenue, they get a treat." Speaking of a treat, I'm cleaning out a drawer while we're doing this, telling. Which is why you can hear joy, pure joy on my end. And I just pulled out two things. I pulled out breast spray that says, "Understand your mother instantly without having to meet with her, talk to her." And I guess it's like peppermint breast spray. I don't get it. But then also, I got something that Katie Kazola gave me last time she came over. Stry sand partners. Which has been not dated made for. Yeah, she wanted to know what a grandma did in foster. I don't know if he wanted grams, probably. We'll know next time Katie's on. Katie, come back to the five and dime. Katie, Katie. Katie, see, Katie, see. Yeah. All right, so dog training. And my other favorite thing was the Janet lunch, where she was making fun of gamble and saying, "She says old money, but she doesn't know the difference, because she's got no money." And she's like, "Just like this song says, "I ain't saying she's a gold digger, but she ain't messing with no broke person." All right. 'Cause I'm rhyme Janet, actually. You've ruined the song. Janet does Kanye West's new album, "Hitting Stores" this fall. The whole thing. That's the next thing that not David Foster needs to work on. Please listen to my new song called, "Person's in Paris." Oh my God. What's she order? What's she order? Fish for life? We've got a lot to get to on this podcast, Ben. I know, we've got some more shows. Two more. All right, so what do you want to do next? Blood, sweat, and heels. Old July Grill, housewives of Atlanta, bam. Well, let's do Atlanta, 'cause I took notes on that. I didn't take notes on Blood, sweat, and heels. And not much happened on either one of them, but that's okay. Yeah, all right, I'm Dan. So Atlanta, I actually watched my dad, which my dad was, you know, my dad was amused by the whole thing. It's ridiculous. And at one point, when the women were, like, I guess, talking about who knows what, my dad just turns and goes, "These insights." But he did laugh. My dad definitely laughed when Fager said, "I haven't called you a whore this year." I called you Satan, but I didn't call you a whore. So we start with Kenya's booty coming out of the pool. That's a site that does not need to be seen, okay? Well, let's just still have the price tag hanging off of that. Some, there are many guys who would disagree with you. I mean, I guess, but that looks like you could crack your walnuts right away, turn them into walnut juice. I mean, it's no petty floor sun, but it'll do. So they move on to the sitter on their vacation. Yeah. And they get a butler, blah, blah, blah. Costumes, moose-fitting at Cinderella. So, by the way, Porsche has now officially graduated to drag queen status. Like, when they all moved to Manila, when they left the farm and went to Manila, Porsche is looking officially drag queen now. Well, you know, you've got to keep those African men happy. That's right. It's like a certain level of wiggery. Yeah, I did enjoy the scenes with Nini getting the costume design. I'm sorry, costume fitting. And then Greg is like, "Oh, you'd sell real well down Atlanta. Oh, it's booty." And he starts like doing all these, like, make all these weird noises. Twerk. Working booty. Working booty. And this old gay guy is just like, "What are you doing?" He's like, "Uh, um, okay." He's like, "Sherry Shepard did not do this." He's like, "Someone get me a Zima." Yeah, he was not having the, he was not having the moose fitting. I love that when Greg walked into the room, he's like, "Whoa, Greg, all right? Try and hide it a little bit. Bring it in." Well, I think... I love Hobbit, Hobbit House, oh, that Phaedra thing. Like, I love little people. And then they were, she's like, "I want to go to the Hobbit House. I got a thing for little people." Yeah. This whole episode was really weird. A lot of my notes have twerk off and then question mark and Phaedra. But is it appropriate? I'm like, "Really, Phaedra? You were fucking some guy who just got out of jail to have your babies. And then you got them thrown back in jail again. Who are you calling appropriate? You're having sex with some hooker named Chocolate." Yeah. Well, that's it. That's all I have to say. I have, yeah, I have, I had that, I made a note about the Hobbits, too. That was odd. And then I have a note that says, "Goodbye Montage for Nini." It looked like, it looked like there was a goodbye montage for Nini. When she was like, "If I look back on where I've come from," and they showed like, it was just like an extended montage of Nini throughout the years doing things. Also, Nini just being awful pretty much at this part. It wasn't for fun stuff. It was like, "Look, here is Nini screaming, "I'm rich, bitch, at charade." Yeah. And being chased out and called toilet lid teeth. Oh, look, there is Nini making an ass out of herself again. Look, it was like this. I kind of felt bad for her. And I kind of had the same feeling, too, which is why I was extremely annoyed to read this story that's come out the path that came out today, actually. They're claiming that Nini Leaks has been given a huge raise to stay on Atlanta. She's already making over a million in an episode from what I hear. Or is it a million a year? What does she mean? It must be a million. A million in an episode is like really fun. Yeah, that's like friends money. Yeah, she's making like over a million a year. And she's already the highest paid housewife, and she's going to be getting even more to come back. Now, of course, this is radar online pointing this out, which is usually wrong. And says things like Teresa Jude ice is going to get a spin off behind bars, which is totally false. So who knows? Nini Leaks is -- she's done. No one likes her. I mean, Bravo is -- they're not idiots. They can see where the buzz is. And they're also cheap as hell. And if Nini is being difficult to work with and she's no longer a fan favorite, there's no reason for them to keep her. I think at this point, she won't even film with anybody. So because this article also mentions that she's even going to get bigger bonuses, which Katie's told us when she's on the show that these ladies actually get bonuses for fights and wars. Like whenever there's a war or a fight, they actually get paid more money for it, which explains why Nini's always trying to start fights over nothing because that bitch just wants money. But then the fact that she didn't go on this trip with them is like a big deal. I can't imagine that Bravo was happy about that. And they're editing it to make it look like that Nini was at her Broadway fitting while this was happening. But I don't believe that that's necessarily a case. It's totally conceivable that they just edited it together to make it look that way. I think that not going on the trip is definitely bad news. And then when you get like a goodbye montage to go with it, that's dangerous. I mean, what would drive me nuts? They'd give her a spin off. So that would be pretty ballsy of them to fire her. But I think she's just kind of sick of doing it too, don't you? I think so too. She seems like she is easily frustrated and she just, she's sick of doing it because she's no longer the star that she once was in the sense that like other members have come up, like Kenya, who have totally rivaled her for like fan favorite or just like sort of like the face of the real housewives. Yeah. But I think that, you know, what frustrates me about Nini is that this was actually a very peaceful trip and it was peaceful and everyone got along. And you'd hope that Nini would watch this and say to herself like, Oh gosh, like, maybe I am the problem. Maybe I, they don't do that. But she does is she can watch and be like, and see because I wasn't there, it was a boring ass trip, right? Yeah. Because he unifies. You know, that's how she put it. And it actually wasn't. It was actually really fun to watch. Like it was actually a really fun episode now that they're all getting along. They were being hilarious. I laugh through the whole thing. I might not say LOL a lot. Yeah. It'll be like right in the horse, LOL. And Phaedra is like, Now can I speak to you please horse, horse renter guy? Because this woman who was leading my horse was telling me about her sad story. About her husband dying and how it's been so hard for her. And I thought we have so much in common because my husband is in jail after stealing cars and stealing identities and pretending to be other people and taking tons of money from families like hers and making them broke. It's like your husband's have nothing in common Phaedra. Okay. And this woman doesn't even know English because you need to translate her to tell her all this. Shut up. Just give her your 20 and move on. And she's like make sure the cameras can see me. Give her this $20 or whatever she gave her. Please. It was like a blockbuster card. She's like here. Take this and enjoy all sorts of rentals. She's like get two for one angel food cakes at Ralph's for the next month. Here's a library card. Here's some stamps before they raise the price. You'll need to use two. Just to see your letters not sent back. Here's my Quiznos card. It's brand new so there's no punches yet. But when you get there you'll get a free sandwich. Here's one dollar off of breakfast sandwiches. Starbucks. If you use this before April 14th. Here's a monopoly piece I got from the Donald's last year. I'm not sure if it's like we were deemed but you might be able to get yourself a chicken sandwich. He's like here's a horse. I'm standing back, handing back the horse you just read. Here's a coupon I found in the back of my clothing hanger. And then the guy's like oh thank you so much for your gift because you know she's very shy. It's very difficult for her to open up. Like how shy could she be? She just told this woman her life story on a damn horse who she's never met before with cameras. I mean give me a break. That bitch ain't shy. Her husband's probably still alive at home. She tells everybody that. Yeah. I like that Porsche. First of all, Porsche was like dressed like Pocahontas practically. And I did love that she was calling herself a princess of thought land. That was cracking me up. [laughter] Porsche has been very funny. She's kind of get that little peach back I think. Even though she hasn't fought with anybody. I think she's gonna pull the land and get her. They're punishing them now you know. Like the when got her her apple back or whatever. Yeah. Well the biggest thing in the episode was Kenya and Phaedra finally having a sit down. And this was preceded by Phaedra calling her preacher. Because she just wants she's like listen I just want the good lord. I just want to be as what did she say? I want to be like the wise virgin strong. I was like the wise virgin never gotten a knockdown drag out fight calling other people a whore lady. Okay. You do not have the same problem. And you have never been a virgin. You haven't been a virgin since 8th grade. But she's like what should I do? And he's like don't give away your beauty. You're in a beauty. I'm like oh you two need to both set up. I loved when I showed the whore montage. The Phaedra calling Kenya a whore. Like I may have I may have called a whore in the past and they cut to like her sing it 25 times. Kenya I'm sorry. How bad can you feel for Kenya? I mean Kenya is like playing this whole nice thing now. And I have to give her credit. It does work and it's worked many many times on housewives shows where people just rehab their image in a season. You forget all the shitty things they did. Kenya immediately started shit with Phaedra. Tried to charge her like a hundred thousand dollars for some shitty video. Then she stole her video idea. Then she fell all over herself flirting with her husband just to make Phaedra mad. Of course she's gonna call her a whore. I mean give me a break. I mean I know Phaedra is like a bitch on wheels too. Don't get me wrong. But at least she's not pretending she's well yes she is. But I guess Phaedra's always done that. She's always been like a whore in a church lady outfit you know. But Kenya is just trying to play this innocent thing. You don't get, that's the best thing. You don't get to call me or you don't get to do that. I haven't called you a whore this year. I've called you Satan. Meanwhile the other girls are in the other room and they're like looking at bitter melon. And I guess Portia's making comments about masturbating with it. She's like oh put that in the microwave. And he's like oh put it in the microwave. Can't be. Can't be like I ain't ever heard of that. Well yeah because you sell dildos. Why would you, why would you recommend fucking your cucumber? See now. Kegel balls. I love at the beginning of the Phaedra, Kenya conversation when Phaedra's like you know when we first met. I was, we were working on a friendship. And then the only clip they have of them is eating ice cream together going mmm that's good. Yes that is good. You did not have a friendship. You ate ice cream one time. Let's see. Oh and then she's like well would you come to church with me on Sunday and Kenya's like how about we pray now. Okay you two are both full of shit. But that was a cute scene and it will be nice to see them hang out together because we've lined on the show. Two bitches are magic together. That's right. Right. Yes. Yes it is right. It's a good little partners. For now. It'll be interesting to see how Nini reacts. Well there you know you have to have it to Claudia too. Because Claudia is basically walked in stolen Portia's job. And is doing a pretty good job at completely discrediting Nini. Yeah and she acts all nice. She's like oh I'm just Claudia I'm so nice. But she's really wreaked some havoc on the cast. Yeah I mean all Nini did this episode was stand around in a big renaissance dress. And then they were cutting from like praying and happiness and everybody hugging and getting along to Nini going. If I ever hear Toro one more time. Don't tell me to Toro cost two man. And he's like what? What did I do wrong? And they had to like stop tape to tell him what that meant. Yeah he's like I'm sorry. And then he was like kind of half laughing like oh haha okay then spin. Like bitch get out of here. You were like the thirtieth heifer to get in this dress. Do you know how many times I've had to take this thing in and out? Okay I'm gonna have to add about a foot of fabric to the stomach of this dress because you stop your fucking twerking get the hell out of my costume fitting room. I like how he was trying to give her a pep talk to you. He's like Nini you are the active verb of this musical. And they cut to Greg with his look on his face like what's a verb? She ain't active. What's a verb? What'd you call my wife? I call you a verb. She's like that's right I'm an active verb I was and I made my money. I did it for the money honey. I'm a rich bitch. My active verb is why I work. My cousin Gerond. The best part is the end because they showed clips of next week where they're working in a homeless shelter. Which is the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen is Nini in like a hair net or some shit at a homeless shelter. And Claudia's making her fight in the homeless shelter. Love it. Cannot wait. I love when can't wait for Claudia to take down Nini. Oh yeah she's not going to let her pass. Nini's trying to pass so hard as she won't let her pass. So what's next? Blood, sweat and heals. Cancer is uncomfortable. That's moral of this story. Jesus what is she doing on TV with stage three cancer? Daisy. Lay down. No, Daisy don't you remember what happened to Jean Siskel like take a break. Relaxed. Have an app. You need to look at your job when it's all out of you. Yeah you can't be like going up to Micah's place in Harlem and walking up those stairs. You got to like just just stay in Brooklyn and sit back and heal up girl. She dies of cancer on this show. I'm going to be pissed. Oh I know it's it's like really scary. It's like it's like a really it's like I'm honestly when they're when they were showing her getting chemo I thought that was a very emotional scene and she's sitting there crying getting the chemo and asking to be healed and the breathing coach is like let the medicine take you over but it was still you know it was just I don't know I felt I just felt so bad. It was really it was teary it was a teary moment over here in the carol home. It was it was I don't know the poor girl she's she's so sunny and you know I mean I I definitely like had my my annoyances with her last year and I complained about who knows what but at the end of the day you don't want to see someone with with cancer especially someone so young like Daisy. Well on daisies like stuff you make fun of Daisy for isn't like being mean or being a catty bitch it's just being silly you know it's like my woman event on a rooftop in Brooklyn because women need to celebrate each other my new book is coming out and five four days if you think about it it's just been like a series of heartbreaking missteps and failures for her I mean there was that brunch which then everyone made fun of then she went on the day where she was late which was you know it sucks that she was late but then the guy made her cry at the table yeah that was like heartbreaking I mean she was late she shouldn't have been late but wow he really he really laid into her yeah it's a lot of uncomfortable moments with her and you know one positive thing about all of this is it goes to prove once and for all that a positive attitude doesn't mean shit okay so get off my ass about a positive attitude okay because that's the most positive person I've ever seen and she's gone through more shit in two years than anybody else I've no personally you know so screw it I'm going to keep my negative attitude meanwhile on the other end of the spectrum is Melissa Ford who I've actually always enjoyed Melissa on this show oh she's got the second year curse of becoming a total her bitch flower is blooming in the second year for sure it's just more like this whole thing about this like I want to put my video vixen reputation to bed okay here's an idea how about you stop talking about it yeah I'm not a musical about it to hold on to it yeah exactly exactly for for vixens who contemplated homicide when the video was too much it's like you're never gonna you're never gonna live it down if you keep on using it as your headline and then she's like yeah so weird that a job in a bikini dancing sexually and twerking and music videos and then guys like want to fuck me it's like I mean have some respect like come on lady yeah it's like you're you can't be a car and then be surprised when someone tries to put a key in you okay but the the play was hilarious yeah because she was being such a diva about it which was hilarious because it was in this tiny little theater like the actors spot theater cost 50 dollars a night to go in there did you call it the actors thought theater what is it call I forget it's like the actor I was gonna say the actors gang but I know it's not that it's like I thought somebody said the actors thought like TH OT I was like ooh that's real shady yeah I know it's that was definitely a miss me no I don't know who yeah but it was a tiny little theater actually wasn't that tiny but it was definitely a small theater and as much as this musical was like the worst thing ever I did kind of feel bad for her when they were just like one technical issue after another I mean sound blowing out and lights going off it was a total disaster I just I just came out of this thinking she was kind of an asshole honestly yeah like her mom came to town with who was that her aunt or her friend her aunt it's yeah her aunt they're so funny together they were hilarious totally like but just their mother and her aunt you know they all look so different but she's like oh it's my mom and you know me and my mom I was closer with my dad growing up um and me and my mom didn't really get a lot so you know that she's just kind of this kind of slutty or whatever like she turned into a video eviction you know her mother was horrified and she's like but my mother never really understood what I went through she never really saw what happened to me so this play is like opening up to my mother in the first time however she's getting to see inside my heart I'm sure your mother was shocked that you were fucking people on this set of music videos I'm sure that that's coming as a huge shock to her yeah because that was really like the big secret is when she was like I'm a video star and then some guy came up and started like boning her from behind like that was like the big reveal yeah her mom did not look surprised yeah no if anything she just looks hot and bored yeah like everybody else I love that Daisy was like no that play was good but I'm not sure if the point was become a video vixen or don't become a video she like glamorizes it at the same time she's talking about like what a victim she is you know it's like you can't be proud and ashamed at the same time make up your mind mm-hmm I liked how before the play started Micah and Demetria wound up like in the lobby together standing right next to each other just not talking like Micah's hilarious yeah Micah Micah is so so so funny I mean she just really is not at all she's just such an uptight downer bitch like she is they're in a grumpy fat mood giving dirty looks with her little slitty eyes at everybody and Micah's like she's like she's like I've ever done in my life just standing there like she did this like five-minute thing of impersonating them while they just stood there picking their teeth well they showed the footage at the same time it was actually kind of brilliant you know here's the thing I feel like Demetria is very smart she's probably one of the smartest people on Bravo but man she is just sour she's just like overly cynical she's actually she's just like she's just like a bullfrog you know it sort of sits there with like half open eyes she's not fun and she's like well you know I don't like to hang around bad people you know because I'm a smart person and smart people need to be you know last time I saw her she was trying to break down a door so you know rehab like you're just being a shallow mean bitch I mean you're sitting here talking about how above it you are but you're openly like when you're like what in the same row as her saying things like I can't with that I can't even look at that you know you have a drink or whatever she's saying she's just like making all these snide little comments I don't know she's just annoying and you're also going up against like the most loved person on the show yeah so she knows that by now so I'm not really sure what her deal is but yeah she's a sour girl yeah I mean she she is dumb throwing up against mica it's mica right or is it mica mica right and the thing is I wish I could like talk more about the things that mica does but they're so funny that it's just it would be this equivalent be like oh remember when she did that that was funny or you remember when she did that that was when she's just like funny the entire show she's too much like your my friends have shown up places and shown they're vagina because they gotten so drunk like many times and yeah sometimes it's annoying but you know I know they're crazy I mean I just told my friends well they're crazy so whatever I mean I do think that mica last year she should have at least acknowledged and apologized for being such a crazy drunk bitch now here's the thing that Demetria though to be fair Demetria still is playing like like she's a victim in all this she was like she's like she's like I'm not talking to her she she tried to break through a glass door to get to me I'm like are you seriously like yeah she's trying to make you sound like it was kujo and it's not yeah exactly it's not like she was coming at you with a knife like Glenn Close is here you know it's just it was just she was drunk and trying to talk to you and it's like it was like the most benign thing it's also hard to respect somebody when they're like yes because I'm doing my 50th novel and it's self-published which means I had oh yeah oh my god stop stop bragging yeah maybe she's sell a lot brag about that but I mean yeah I was like translation she was dropped up by her publisher totally didn't sell well she didn't sell enough yeah and that's why anyone would self-publish mm-hmm but one other thing I wrote was Melissa going on that radio I know I'm going back to Melissa so that's okay that's all right she started this show to go promote herself on the radio and they're like Melissa Ford how you doing baby and she's like oh I'm so tired I'm doing so much I hate people who do that I hate that they're so busy but nobody else is you know nobody else does anything with their life but she's like oh I'm so tired like we'll save it for the show okay so how's it going so you're about being a video vixen and she's like yeah you know it's like I became famous for being a video vixen I'm like a bunch of people jerking off to you I mean it's not like you won an Oscar okay but she's like I became really famous and they wouldn't let me grow like no one will let me grow they won't let me be anything more than just a video vixen like the other day I got a dildo in the mail like why aren't you talking about how you don't want to be a sex object but then you're starting to talk about dildos like you just need to be quiet Melissa okay and how many how many fucking properties have you even rented I'm not buying it with her she needs to clear her shit up yeah exactly Melissa you are on probation you're very you're getting very dangerous dangerously close to being on our shit list yeah you're getting too big for your britches lady now meanwhile we also got our first taste of the two new cast members one was some girl named like shantal or Shelly or Shamuz or what was her name I don't even remember I didn't even write it down that's how interesting they were the British one I know is gonna be fun because we saw see her telling people off at the end of the year yeah no she's the the British one what's hilarious about her is that she knows who the popular ones are so she comes as a guest of Geneva and um Demetria and like as the moment the first chance that she gets to leave those two and run to mica she does it she like then she's like by by mica and daisy the entire night hang out with him and then like Demetria engineer were like well we're going and she's like but we're exchanging rings now oh god girl we're exchanging rings well who's gonna hang out with Wesley Snipes and sour you know sour sally when there's like fun people yeah I mean the girl with can't stage three cancer is more fun than you guys okay perk up yeah it's true like jesus christ she's having more fun than you losers get it together yeah and by the way it really bothered me that when daisy said hi to Geneva and Demetria that Demetria didn't say hi back at all and then later on Demetria was she left she was like by the way daisy you can say hi to me it's okay you can say hi to me like shut up you know she's like I don't understand why all the women call me a monster you know I'm not a monster I'm just not gonna put up with bullshit it's like you are a fucking monster you come in you give everybody dirty looks you don't say hi you're a bitch on purpose you speak about them above your breast or everybody can hear you you're an asshole okay own it just be an asshole I mean that's one good thing about people like Nini at least she's just like I'm an asshole like Brandy Glanville she's an asshole and she's like yeah I'm an asshole like and we'll talk about Beverly Hills tomorrow but I love when she was when Eileen's like she said Eileen I admitted to you that I was an asshole and I said I was sorry and Eileen goes and then you kept being an asshole I'm Brandy just nod yes like yeah turns away like that's a perfectly acceptable answer you know because yes she's that's her thing you know yeah she's a dick she's just a dick um we also met Arzo who is sort of like she's she's the Afghani lady she's kind of like the Afghanistan's uh version of Judy Gold she's sort of like uh yeah that's a good call she uh what's funny about her is that like Geneva's like oh Afghani so so you're an Arab and she's like no I'm Afghani and she's like but I have a black boyfriend she was like okay getting her credit yeah well I think that the addition of the new ladies is gonna be fun because they look like they came to uh party yeah I think so I feel like Arzo is gonna be crazy and I feel like the British one is gonna say some really stuck up things can't wait I do kind of miss the condescending nature of Brie from last season but that's okay but I love knowing that she's home feeling so above it all right now I think that's yeah because her parents house the Hamptons yeah like could you believe we let that show film here in the Hamptons is a very exclusive community I should have listened to you mommy well I'm hearing an overhead delivery of sliders for MJ so I think oh it's time to go I think that I'm gonna go try to like uh traips across the street and get get myself a free slider do a band all right well this has been fun and it sure has thanks everybody for listening we will be back tomorrow with our second episode of the week covering real housewives of Beverly Hills Shaw's a sunset and set in comfort with our special guest Angie Thomas from small potatoes podcast would you call it originally rough they're rough biscuits I 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