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Who cares what happens when there's so much that Crapin's. Crapin's. Crapin's. Crapin's. Crapin's. Crapin's. Watch what Crapin's. Who cares what happens when there's so much that Crapin's. Who cares what Crapin's. Who cares what happens when there's so much that Crapin's. Hey everyone. Welcome to Watch where Crapin's a podcast about all that Crap on Bravo that we love and watch all for you. I'm Ben Mandelker from BsideBlog.com and joining me this week is very special. It's kind of like a reunion except without Andy Cohen. It actually is a reunion. It's Ronnie Karam and Matt Woodfield. Hi everyone. Well hello. Hi guys. Welcome back. The trio reunited. Am I like on the couch opposite you guys because like I'm on the outs clearly? Like I would be like, are you kidding? No, we've talked to each other so much. I'll be on your couch. We can gang up on Ben today. Yeah, you guys can do that. You can be like Luan. Right. Well I'm always Luan because she's my queen. So I'll be at the end of the good couch. Yeah, exactly. And then you can just say things in the corner like here we go again. Right. And you won't have me in the open in credits but at least I'll have a plastic dishware line. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'll be like Heather and say a lot of sassy black things and drop the G at the end of my sentences and Ben can be like Sonia and just like name drop people randomly and talk about sex. But she's a Christian. Well, I'm a Christian. And you know, you know, it's just, you know, they like hearing my sermons in San Tropez. You know, they're very, they're very into that. You know, I get called all the time, Taiwan. They want me in Taiwan to give sermons. My Christian sermons. You know, I'm very popular. It's like being on your knees longer than any religious person on earth doesn't make you a Christian. She doesn't need a pew. Come on. So anyway, why don't you guys tell everyone where we can find you on social media? Matt, why don't you start? I'm going to write it down myself. And you can write it down. You can find me on Twitter @lifeonthemlist also on Instagram @lifeonthemlist. I gave up Vine. Nobody does Vine. Does anybody do Pinterest? Probably not. I'm on, I'm probably on both of those but I don't update them. So just find me back on Twitter @lifeonthemlist. People do Vine. 13 year old boys who like to prank old people. Pretty much. Are they still doing that thing where like people walk up to each other on the street and punch each other in the face? Is that like what they do in Vine? If they are, I'd like to see that on the next season of Real Housewives of anywhere. I was trying to show my friend Tricia how fun Vine is. And she's like, it's basically teenagers throwing waffles out the car at each other. Like, what the fuck is this? That's pretty much it. Why did anybody waste a waffle? That's a very good point. I may have lost weight but I'm still a fat girl on the inside. You know what? You're actually still a fat girl on your picture on my texting for some reason. Let's update that. No, I can't. It doesn't itself. You can thank Google for its product. Yeah. Well, that's because you have a stupid Android again. Well, it's gigantic bed. Okay. I need a gigantic phone. Size doesn't matter. Size doesn't matter. It makes me look thinner. Okay. You guys can find me Ronny Karam on Twitter at Ronny Karam or on Vine at Ronny Karam because I'll be throwing waffles at Matt until he's fat again. And just search Ronny Karam. Google me. Batch eyes. Or you can find me. I hate that. God, I hate Frankie on Big Brother. Are we going there? Are we really? I would love to at the end. I know you watch it too. So I'll hurry up. Who cares? Just Google me. Find me. Or come to Trash Talk TV. Really find recaps and I'm doing Big Brother in two minutes videos every Friday. So find them on YouTube at youtube.com/TrashTalkT-E-E-V-E-E. Okay. And I'm at Beside Blog. That's both my blog. BesideBlog.com and it's Twitter and Instagram and Vine and Pinterest. I don't know. Really? What are you pinning? Besides hot black dudes. I don't even do that anymore too much. I basically just pin like if I see other things like top five restaurants in like Silver Lake or something like that. I don't know. I've been oddly promoting my Pinterest page every week on this podcast and every time I'm like I don't even care about Pinterest but I mention it every week. So if you want to be on Pinterest you have to post about your kids. Or you have to post like Etsy type things. Like, oh my god, isn't this rim gorgeous? Oh wait, I do have a board because I am in the market for a new duvet cover. So I keep on pinning interesting duvets that I see. I go away for a few months and I come back and Ben is now the gayest. My duvet board is very special. It's called In Search of Duvets, Colin, the Ben Mandelker story. Is Dina Manzo helping you with this duvet board? No, I have taste. You know that her duvet would have like all sorts of crazy like paisley ornate decorations? Are you kidding? Her favorite thing is a bedazzled high heel. And images of strange like cats. Right. Ronnie, are you back? You sounded a little concerned there for a moment. I think we lost Ronnie. Anyway, Matt, how are you? I'm crazy. The VMAs are this coming Sunday followed by the Emmys on Monday. So my life is a pure utter nightmare mess, but I've decided to take some time out of my busy schedule to hang out with you guys because it's way more fun during the workday. That's so considerate. Now question, why are the Emmys on a Monday this year? The Emmys are on a Monday because they couldn't secure the Sunday because the VMAs swooped in and snatched the date first. And yeah, they should be a little concerned because it's on a Monday in the summer. Good luck with that. I know exactly. It's airing live in LA. So that means that people have to watch it Monday at 5 p.m. Good luck. Yeah, isn't that going to be up against like the Real Housewives of New York City is like lost footage? I know. Come on people. I think there's a House Hunters international rerun that's going to be. Where are they now? Yeah. Yeah. Truly. And that's crazy the VMAs actually bumped them on, but at the same time it is being opened by Frankie Grande's sister, whatever her name is. Her name is Ariana. Don't let your hatred for Frankie cloud your judgment. Ariana Grande is wonderful. I know we're getting him at the end, but my favorite was when he was screeching about it in the house and people were like, "Who's that?" Yeah. She's a huge superstar. I love the Huffington Post. Okay, so let's start with our Bravo. Oh, by the way, everyone like this podcast Facebook page, facebook.com/watchworkrapins. Super fun stuff on there. We have links, there's photos, all sorts of stuff that's beyond this podcast. It really enriches the experience. So really like it because we want to get to 3,000 likes and we're almost there. So anyway, there's just one more plug and we'll be like Frankie's sock drawer. Let's move on people. Excuse me, I was just about to transition to the fact that there was so much Bravo this week. I mean, there is so much Bravo in general. Where does everyone want to start? We have like three housewives. Well, I would like to say that I have this today. Ooh, I hear shuffling. No, it's two. I wrote notes on three shows. Okay, so you guys have notes on shows, but before we jump into that, can you at least tell me what we're not watching because I am not on board with the parenting show? No, every time Bravo tries to do a parenting show, I'm not into it. I'm not into their singles project, although I haven't watched it. I'm not into Jersey Bell, but I also have not watched it. I'm not into it either, but again, like Ben, I've decided that I hate it even without having seen two seconds of it. Yeah, I deal enough with parents because I have Facebook and I'm in my thirties. So all of my friends are now parents and I have to listen to that shit all day. I'm not watching it on Bravo. The singles thing, I don't care. I hate, I see them on Tinder and I don't want no part of them. We're not doing top chef duels either, right? Because unless it's really good. Is it? But what's the point of it though? Is it really good? You know, we had a shitty attitude about it too, but I watched it out of desperation this week because I like to watch food shows when I binge and master chef is just unbearable. So I watched the Marcel episode. It was really good. Tell us the format. I just want to say Marcel is my all time favorite top chef contestant because he's like a cute little gay Wolverine, but I felt like they brought him back just so that they could make him lose. I'm assuming he lost, right? Because they want to vilify him. Yeah, but he wasn't a villain. He's actually matured so much. The villain was Blaze. Blaze was the total prick the whole time to him. And he's so petty and like he shit talks to Marcel the whole time. He's like, anybody could do that. What a hack. Anybody could do that. Blaze was the all time worst. He all time was disgusting. He is so immature. And Marcel never said one mean thing. He never said one rude thing back. He was totally positive the whole time. And when he lost, he was like, I always losing it sucks. But what are you going to do, you know? It's a good show. It's basically just, it's Gail Simmons. You got to love her. I love Gail Simmons judges shit because she just eats. Yeah. She eats like a normal person. She's just like, well, you know that Padma's always sending her leftovers down to Gail. She was like, she has like one or two bites. She's like, please send this down to my good friend Gail Simmons. Because Padma just wants to look extra skinny next to Fat Whale Gail, even though Gail is probably a normal size and/or skinny and gorgeous. She is. Ronnie and I saw her in person when we were extras on Top Chef Just Desserts. Don't even get me started on Top Chef Just Desserts. R.I.P. the best show ever. And why was it great? Because it didn't have Curtis Stone. Stop trying to make him a star bravo. Oh my God, stop trying to make fetch happen. Seriously with fucking Curtis Stone. I know. I really can't stand Curtis Stone. It's like, why would you get, why would you get all these brilliant cooks together and then be like, oh, here's someone who can't cook and has made it because he's fucking hot. Although actually he has a restaurant in Beverly Hills now and it's it's gotten excellent reviews. Believe it or not, I was shocked. Yeah, and so did Villa Blanca and it's a shit hole. Villa Blanca's closing. Yeah, as it should. Yeah. Didn't she sell it? It's not like it's just closed you guys. She sold the restaurant. Yeah, she sold it. Adrian Maloof sent in another floral arrangement that was filled with like, you know, like a hobbit wonderland. Yeah, it's probably bought it because remember after after she left housewives she was threatening to open a restaurant right across the street from Villa Blanca and put it out of business. Well, Adrian Maloof has done a lot of questionable things selling like baby formula or whatever you fucking had shut up. Oh, and she went on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills like one time this season and she's like, I'm back everyone. She was. I don't even remember her on the show. Shut up. No, you're not. I don't even remember Adrian on the show this season. No, plastic-haired beach. No, it's just coming up season because I already shoot. Oh, okay. And they're like, actually, she showed up for one day to apologize to Lisa or something and she's like, it's me, I'm back on the housewife. No, you're not. Sit down. Have they already asked somebody to play the the Joker on Gotham on Fox, the new Batman. Aren't they like children versions of the superheroes? Oh, that's true. Isn't it like Muppet, baby? Yeah, it is. It basically is. It's like, it's like, it's like, they're like super origins stories like their teen origins. I'm touching my Muppet babies. Did you just say Muppet babies? The Joker will be nanny. You'll only see Joker socks. Okay, this is too much. So I know that we're going to jump into all the shows, but you, before we started recording, you guys mentioned what we're going to discuss today. I'm just very upset with the two of you. I know that we're not watching The Parenting Project. We're not watching The Singles, Jersey Bell, all this crap. If you guys are not watching it, don't be tardy. You're fucking idiots. How? Jesus, Matt. Come on now. How could you still be carrying the flag for that show or the torch or whatever it is? How could we be having the wig for that show? TV gold. If I'm going to watch some fat ignorant horse squirting babies indiscriminately out of her vagina, I'll just walk to a Walmart. At least I can get a sale there. How is it doing in the ratings? It's dipped a little bit, but she's still pulling in at least a million per episode, and it's hilarious. I don't care what anybody says. All she does is stand around that kitchen still, shoving waffle fries down her gullet, pointing that sweetie with her big French manicured nail, and barking like a crazy person. And it's only 22 minutes, so it's perfect. You know, that has limited appeal to me. I don't understand the justice in this world. How can that show be doing better than Game of Crowns, which is the funniest show on TV right now? Kim took her obese nanny, Russian nanny, gave her a hooker makeover, and took her to a chain restaurant in the suburbs of Atlanta, and put an earpiece in her to make her hit on ugly dudes at the bar. It's so half of which were married with wedding rings on. Listen, here's the thing. It's so above and beyond scripted. It's like, it's like, well, how could this? You can't script that woman. You cannot script that woman. What are you talking about? You just sold the other. I take back my indiscriminate squirting out children out of River Giant at Walmart, and I will watch it. Which she does, and I don't have a problem with that. She is. I do. Everyone just stop having fun. You know, listen, I am so gross. I've given "Don't Be Tardy" a try every single season, and every single time I want to throw myself off my balcony. Ideally with a lot of noise to piss off the neighbor downstairs who complains about my footsteps. God, you should just leave the house and leave "Don't Be Tardy" playing on a loop as loud as possible. Oh, my God. You know, they're sending in flooring people because you complain that there's a creaky floorboard. And so they're actually coming in, and they're going to, like, upend my carpet and all this stuff because she hears a creaky floorboard. This is the woman downstairs talking about "Don't Be Tardy". Oh, my God. Why don't they just move her? Why don't they move her into another apartment? Because she's just one of these classically difficult people, and I'm sorry. I shouldn't even be talking about it on the podcast because, I mean, she's... The reason why she's relevant to this podcast is because Bravo is a show that showcases awful women, and she is one of them. She is, like, a Bravo show without the cameras. So, she would be handsome. I heard you said I wasn't so. I think. All right, let's move on to a show. Let's move on to an actual show. Okay, why don't you guys want to start with Game of Thrones because I don't watch it and I'm never going to be sold on it? You should be sold on it because it is so hilarious. Aren't they just, like, old ladies, or are they just looking twice their age because of their makeup? Basically, both. I mean, they're middle-aged women from Connecticut and Rhode Island competing in these marginal pageants and assigning a lot of meaning to it that is perhaps, like, disproportionate to how much meaning it really does have. So, when Lizzie gets officially fired from OC, will she then end up on Season 2 of Game of Thrones? Or is she too young now? She is perhaps too young. She's too classy. She is. It is honestly... it is amazing. I mean, so basically what happened this week is that it started off with Lynne Lindiamante and Susanna, whatever her name is, being crowned with their write-in pageant things for Miss Rhode Island, United States, and Miss Massachusetts, United States. Okay, so they did not win these contests. They wrote in to request that they be named Mrs. of whatever this state is. And Vanessa is like, no, not Vanessa. What's that stupid woman's name, Susanna? Yeah, Susanna. She's like... Oh, it was hard. There was a questionnaire. I had to fill out the questionnaire. She's like, it's the Princeton of pageantry. It's got like Mrs. America's old school, but this is more like Donald Trump. Cut to them and their big ceremony, they go to basically a glorified Applebee, except not as nice. Yeah, it's like all wood paneled and shit. Yeah, it's 15 people there, including the town mayor. And it's like the most... it is truly a Christopher Guest movie. Like, if you like waiting for "Guffman," if you like "Best in Show," that's what this TV show is, except it's real. It is amazing. I love that the mayor was like, oh, you know, these ladies, they're gonna do real good for the town. They're gonna do real good, and these 9-year-old women in the audience are just staring around. Is anybody gonna clean up the crap I just crapped out all over my chair? I mean, who were those people in the audience? I know, it was still so crazy. It's honestly like the craziest show. They're like 25 people in the audience, and not even that many. And it was like this empty restaurant. You know, there was like a salad bar nearby with a bunch of iceberg lettuce in it. And it was just like this dreary... A cello mold. Yeah, I mean, it was amazing. And Susanna's sitting standing there in this crazy pink dress that like stolen from her daughter's collection. I mean, everything, the entire scene, and that's just in the first two minutes of this show. And they start feeding each other cake like they just got married. So these two idiots are just standing there like putting cake in each other's mouth, like... They're like five minutes, and everybody's just standing there uncomfortable. And seriously, there's 9-year-old women in the audience like, what the fuck? Where are we? Exactly. So then the show moves on, and then we get to the real meat of the episode, which is that Vanessa invites Shelley and Lehigh over for some parfait, which also in and of itself is hilarious because the girls come over, and Lehigh starts explaining how she discovered that Lynn had hired a private investigator to trail her and her cop husband Nick. And while she's explaining this and saying how scared she is, Vanessa just keeps on going into that parfait. She's like, "Excuse me, I just need to have more Splenda." Excuse me, I need the granola. She keeps, she maps. She is spooning Splenda into this thing. Like, spoon of Splenda, another spoon of Splenda. And this is the one who's always complaining about how she had cancer, and I'm just like, you know this Splenda causes cancer, right? Exactly. We just saw the entire mystery of the season right now, bitch. Put down the Splenda, okay? Keep your boo. So somehow between her like reaching across the coffee table for every single topping known to man for this parfait, Lehigh announces that as a retaliation that she has put out a restraining order against Lynn. And you know, Vanessa's like, "Oh my God. This is crazy as she like suppresses a smile because she hates Lynn. She loves this." You know? Then we cut to Lynn at her house. I mean the editing on this show is so brilliant. We cut to her. We just see the house and all we hear is, you know? And you see her, she's crying in the arms of Susanna. And she's like, "I'm a lawyer. I have a license for the Supreme Court of Red Island. And I went to the law, out of the court, and everyone was like, "What? What trial are you defending?" I'm like, "No, I'm a defendant." You know? And it's like these crocodile tears, unlike anything we've seen on Bravo before. I mean, we've seen crocodile tears on this network. Excuse me, I would say this. I've never held an illegal drug in my life. I would ever shrug her. Why is she telling everybody I have a drug? So then Susanna, she gets up there. She tells us, she's like, "You know what? This all speaks of Nick." And then she goes, "Narcissist idiot that needs to calm down, N-I-C-K." I'm like, "Lady, you're not, he's not mentioned a single K word in there. Okay? If you were to make an acronym of nurse's idiot that needs to calm down, it'd be N-I-T-N-T-C-D. Okay? That's nothing like Nick. That's nothing. There's no Nick in that whatsoever. That's just as idiot that needs to calm down. Nick. And then, meanwhile, cut back to Lynn going, "Honey, help!" And her husband starts taking her blood pressure. Yeah. This is, like, this is honestly the future of Ashley from Princesses. Help me. Her husband takes her blood pressure, and she's like, "Do I even want to know?" He's like, "It's high." He's like, "I'm not going to get it. I'm like, someone called me a drug dealer. Oh, I said I raped a baby. I don't rape babies." It sounds like what is happening. And it wouldn't stop. It was, like, ten minutes. All episode, like, later on the episode, she's like, "I think I may have to go to the hospital." I'm like, "I just, I've never felt this way." She's like, "Take it again, honey." And he's like, "You know what? You just need to stop it." He's like, "You just need to calm down." It is amazing. And then, I have this other note here where Susanna starts yelling that, "This is not classy. What was she yelling about that about? Why was she getting so upset later on in the episode?" 'Cause she said her quote, and I don't even remember the context of this, but it was such a hilarious quote. She goes, "This is not classy. The level of class I have been brought down to, I am Mrs. Rhode Island, United States, okay?" [laughter] My other favorite part was when Vanessa, okay. So, Vanessa was going to the doctor. Wait, is her name Vanessa or Vanessa? It's Vanessa. It's a V-A-N-A-S-S-A-U. As in, you can't spell her name without spelling ass. Yeah, Vanessa. So, she's going to get her boop checked because all she can talk about is her breast cancer. Even though her platform, her platform, by the way, Matt, is that she wants to prove to women that you don't have to be defined by her breast cancer, and every episode is about her breast cancer. So, she's the Aviva of the cast? Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. But, like, way better than Aviva. But she's on her way, and she's with her family in a limo, which I'm so sure. So, they're on their way to the doctor in the limo so she can get retested or whatever. And she's like, you know what? I would just like to thank you guys. You know, if it weren't for you, I wouldn't be where I am today. And, you know, all the struggle that I've gone through in my life and having you, but she's giving, like, she just won a fucking Oscar. It's like, bitch, you're going to, like, get your boob squished in a machine. And you stop acting like you just won something and Jesus. She gave a speech all the way there. She's like, I'd like to thank my agent. I'd like to thank cancer for giving me this trip in a limo back to the hospital. Shut up! It is. I mean, honestly, this show is so amazing. And then the next week, I'm assuming next week is, like, the penultimate episode, because it's all leading up to Matt, this pageant called Legends, which has, by the way, not a single legend in it. It's all just people who've been in pageants before. And so, pretty much, the entire cast is going to be competing against each other in this big pageant, and even Shelley, who is, she's... Not for nothing. Not for nothing. She's the former Mrs. America, and not for nothing. She's like, she's... The whole thing this episode also was she was, like, debating whether or not she wanted to compete in a pageant again. She's like, she's like, I don't know. I don't... I just... I don't like the idea of all eyes being on me. I'm like, come on, Shelley, you love it. Is this another show that you guys are falling in love with that we used to do in the past, you know, Princesses? This is, honestly, that is no longer that's one and done. This is on par with Gallery Girls, if you ask me. Yeah, but no one's watching it, except us. It's going to die. And even, like, our own listeners, they're like, yeah, we don't get it. I'm like, what? They're probably all sitting there right now going, like, can you get to big brother thing? Yeah, it's like, we have Matt, we're not even talking to Matt. But this show is so amazing, and this is one of the most amazing episodes because of that crying scene in Splendocine. And I will try it, I will try it if you guys try... Have you watched... Wait, have you watched any of the episodes, Matt? Have you watched any? I saw an old lady crying like a few weeks ago and I was like, I'm out. I have enough old ladies crying in my life. Honestly, it's so brilliant. If you look at the backstory, the backstory is so caddy. I mean, leading up to this episode, the fact that there was a death threat... There was a death threat, actually, but then Lynn lied and said it was to her when it wasn't to her at all, and then it became this whole thing. The amount of caddy intrigue is so above and beyond what we deserve as a human race that we owe it to the show to watch it. Yeah, it's really bad. I'll try one, that's it. All right, fine. Why don't we move on to the real housewives of Melbourne? How about that? Oh my god, when is something you watch more regularly? When does it air? Like I feel like my debare is recording at like 9 a.m. Yeah, it is. That's it. It was Saturdays. Why is this shit not in prime time? This is like the crown jewel. In the now, I just want this and Vancouver. Honestly, this is the best one, I think. I have to say, I have to be controversial. I actually don't love it. I love listening to them talk, but this episode, this week, they did nothing. Okay, so I don't know which one I recently saw. They never do anything. They saw a party. I feel like I might have seen the third episode. I don't know if three or four have aired, but I saw a party at the trashy ones house. Is that the most recent one? Yeah, that was the most recent one aired here. No, no, no. The most recent one is the one that happened after that where Janet went on a date and the other three women went skiing. That's the one that I watched. Oh, okay. Then I said, I didn't watch it on purpose because I'm trying to watch them with everybody else. Damn it. That's the one that aired this week. Well, I don't have Bravo, so I have them all downloaded. Oh, and I thought that they were airing them back to like, I think the first week they aired like one and two back to back. Yeah, they did. Okay. Well, I saw, okay. Let's just discuss like, I discussed it on a macro level. Okay. So on a macro level, I will just say, what's the ones in it? Cheeky, chocky. Cheeky. Chon chon chon chon. Or as they say, Cheeker. Cheeker. Cheeker. So here's my thing. After watching like two of the four episodes or whatever, I like team old ladies. Yeah. Versus team, I don't like team young ladies. I like Janet. I'm a big fan of Janet. You have to tell me, you have to tell me. She's a blonde blonde lady. I love her. Is she the one that was getting Botox at the beginning? Yeah. She looks like Kylie. She looks like. I'm on a day again. She actually looks like Kylie McNog as a 90 year old. She looks like a Skeletor meets Kylie McNog. Like if they have a look shot. I know it kind of looks like a 90 year old sometimes. Exactly. That's true. So here's the thing. On this latest episode, truly nothing happened. Janet went on a date and was like, hey, I'm going on a date with someone who's like 20 years younger. It's a little, it's a little crazy to go on a date with someone younger, but I'm sort of excited about it. By the way, let's try 30 years younger. He's 35. I mean, how old do you think that woman is? There's no way she's 55. Sorry. No way. Yeah. I mean, and then what happened was I think Lydia. Lydia. The psyche. You have to refresh me on who is who as we go through these. Lydia, it looks like a stick and a drop. Lydia's the one the black hair. Lydia is the psychic married to the former rock star. No, no, no. Lydia is the one. Wait, wait, Lydia is the one. Lydia is the one that flies in the air stepson. Yeah. That flies around to buy cheese and fucks your stepson. Okay. By the way, my dream is to fly. Well, I'm terrified of flying, but my dream is to take exotic trips just to buy thousands of dollars of cheese. Yeah, I like that. I'm down with that. So it was Lydia. I won't even walk to the 7/11 for M&Ms. I can't imagine like going to the airport and getting on a fucking plane to get some cheese. Yeah. I love cheese. Anyway, I hate Lydia. Yeah, she's like, she's worthless. And then the other one, the other two, the psychic was there. And then one whose name? I don't know, but she sort of is like the Australian Catherine Keener. You know, she's the one who has all the. Don't do that to Catherine Keener. I love Catherine Keener. The one I think she looks like Gina Davis. No. Oh, no. Lydia. Lydia does. No. Yes. The one married to the plastic surgeon. Do you think she was like Gina Davis? Gina Davis got puppy after she became an archery student. I know. Listen, I've even seen puppy Gina Davis. And listen, I know Gina Davis. I've watched you know Davis's movie. And that's her is no Gina Davis. So it looks like she gave Gina Davis pictures to her plastic surgeon was like, do that to me. And he just can't quite do it. She kind of reminds me of someone on death becomes her that movie. Yeah. She looks like she's falling apart. Her body doesn't even look real because she's so spanked up. And she's gotten sucked out of the wrong places. I mean, the woman's a mess when they showed her that party dancing. I was like, Oh, no. Well, she like the surgery didn't set right. It's falling and all the wrong. I really, I'm standing behind, um, Australian Catherine Keener. I'm really standing behind that. I feel very confident in that assessment. Wait, so who's the one that looks like a complete man and is always be dead in. Gina. Gina. I really kind of like her. I like her. It's my favorite. I like her a lot. I like her in Janet the most. She goes like a nothing. I think that she looks like Stalker Channing in Greece. By the way, she does kind of actually. Like there are worse things I could do. You know that she kind of probably smells like onions and garlic all the time, probably, right? No, don't say that. Don't you don't you feel like she like like five minutes before you see her. She just ate like dip some bread into some olive oil. I feel like. I feel like she smells like a woman's dressing room and coffee and lipstick. I mean, I love her because she deals with box. And maybe like some peppermint. She's a baluster. She's a baluster. Okay. So she puts that big white wig on top of her big brown wig. It's like a wig on wig. Like this is a wig on wig crime. It is exactly. She is truly giving Kim Zolciak a run for her money or money that she doesn't have. When they revealed that she was a lawyer, I fucking almost fell off the couch. She is hilarious. And I love that she just don't like that. She looks like this. She has she has a partner. She has a partner in America. But I think didn't they break up? Yeah, they broke up because you know what she deserves to be with somebody who's been spent time with her just like me. Well, you missed on the latest episode. Did you break up with your boyfriend? Which one? Mattie, you have a boyfriend. I only see you on Instagram. So you're always with some cute guy. I assume that was your boyfriend. That's my bowling league. I don't date. Well, never mind. We don't get into that. Anyway, we have to get a full update on that situation. Yeah. That'll be for Watch What Cravins After Dark. Yeah. That's the exclusive content. On TVGN. Wait, this week on, so this week on Melbourne, the genome, she was funny. She's sorry about how she had cancer. She's like, when my doctor told me I had cancer, I told her, no, I don't. I do not have cancer and get it out of my body right now. I mean, I kind of love that attitude. Yeah. It's the best housewives attitude of that cancer I've ever seen. I don't know. It was the best. She was like, I don't have it. I don't have it. You get it out of my body right now. I don't. She doesn't try to use it. And then she goes, oh, boo-hoo me. Having cancer. Sorry to put that on you anyway. And like, moves on. She's so the best. And she only said Vanderpump would be BFF. She is great. And then meanwhile, what you guys also missed is apparently, you know, when people talk about playing telephone, apparently outside of the United States, it has a much more racist name. It's called Chinese Whispers. Don't get me started on Chinese Whispers. It's Lydia. Lydia's like, oh, this is all Chinese Whispers. It's Chinese Whispers. And then at one point, someone starts like, stop that. It's stop with the Chinese Whispers. So I actually-- And they even have it as a hashtag on the show. I know. They did. Chinese Whispers. I was-- so I actually watched the show with my very, very dear friend, Michael, who's from Canberra, which is like an hour outside of Sydney, because I was like, I need somebody to watch this with me, because it's probably not going to have subtitles and I need somebody to explain all of the terms. And he just was telling me, like, people actually say Chinese Whispers and it is fucked up. Well, I mean, Australia is like kind of like a super racist place. Well, he know he admitted that. He openly admitted that to me, too, and he's like, oh, we have to watch this entire series and I'll tell you all the real horrible things. Yeah. Like, you know, I don't think that's like it is real. Oh, you know what she said about you, don't want to long a ding, dong, dong, dong, dong. Oh my god, I'm going to kill her. The thing is with this show, I've noticed, is that, you know, stylistically, it's a little bit more narrated than our other shows. And it's kind of funny, because all the women say these things as if they're making like a cheeky joke and they're saying very simple things, they're like, so then I went to the cheese shop because I love cheese, and you're like, okay, it's like one thing I love to do is I love to go skiing, and that's it, that's all that they say, they're like, right, but I'm fine. So now it's lunchtime, but it's actually more realistic. And by the way, I want to go eat at Cheeky Choco's market pantry kitchen, whatever it's delicious. We're hard on the font. Oh my god, my gay husband and I have to walk together with the color yellow and the font. Meanwhile, like it's on everything, you gotta stay consistent with your font. By the way, the other thing you guys missed in this episode was that when the three girls went up to, to go, to go skiing and everything, they kind of had like a pile on session where they were making fun of Gina. And the Katherine Keener one, once she started like realizing they were making them Gina, she went like crazy, she started like really piling on. But in like the worst joke, she's like, you know what she looks like? She looks like a man, right? She's like, she's like, you know what her favorite film is? Priscilla Queen of the Desert. Get it? Because she's, she's a drag queen. You know what she probably likes? A lot of makeup. And like all her jokes were like that. She's like, you know what? When you see it go skiing, you probably see all the makeup behind her on the ski slope. Right? And you're like, they're like cracking up. Just like me right now. She's like, she can't go on an airplane because she's got too much hair. Well, her hair's so big, it could be an airplane in and off itself. See, that's actually too funny for her. She's like, she doesn't wear the pants. She wears the pants and the shit. She's not just a barrister. She's an embarrassing at stuff. And she was like, and they were like cracking up. She literally made the joke about Priscilla Queen of the Desert. And she said, you know what her favorite film is? It's Priscilla Queen of the Desert. I'm going to go to Bathroom now. And guess what? Gina goes to Bathroom too. All I know is that when I heard they're pretty pretty voices, I immediately was like, dust off my cat and Kim DVDs. We have to go there. I would need to go there. Oh my god, that show was so good. The Australian one was so good. You're not referring to the Selma Blair. Oh my god. Oh my god. No, I just did not want to. I was so upset with that one. I'm not feeling terrible for Molly. What's her bad? I know. Funny, I was like, why did they give her such a bad show? Oh, it's just awful. Hey, Jack. Oh my god. That's funny. You guys hate the psychic, right? The psychic with the-- Oh, yeah. She's awful. With the troll husband. Because here's my thing. Lydia and the psychic. I think that Lydia stirred the pot and she got in the psychic's head and made the man. Who's the man? And made Gina look bad. Yeah. But it's all Lydia's faults. And the psychic is awful. Totally. And then Lydia's like, how did I get in the middle of this? Yeah. Because you started it, bitch. Yeah. She's like, I'm in the middle. And then you continued it. You showed up at the party and you're like, did you guys hear what Gina said? I guess they showed what Gina said, all right. You got it wrong. You put it wrong. But the psychic is hilarious. She's like, oh, you know, angels are telling me my business plan. So the angels told me to have different flavored cocktails. And my husband looks like Johnny Depp. I'm like Johnny Depp playing Marlon Brando, bitch. Are you-- What is wrong with you? What is wrong with you? Yeah. Oh, my God. If she says the word rock star-- He's a rock star. He's a rock star. He's in silver chair. I just feel like all the rocks-- I just feel like all the rocks-- They wanted to meet him because he's so famous. Well, she was like all the celebrities that are going to be in our party. I was scouring, like hitting the pause button, no celebrities. Got you know what? Not even like anybody from like, neighbors, the Australian, like, like nobody. I want-- I want her to go on next season, a big brother. That way, halfway through the season, she'd be like, everyone, I've been playing this game the lie. I've been lying since I walked in the door. I'm married to the biggest rock star on the planet. His name-- I don't even know his name, but he was in silver chair and that's my husband. So think about that. Oh, God. Like, doesn't that money run out at some point? Like they were like the Hanson of Australia, but not as popular for like maybe they had a record and a half. Yeah. They had one song in America, let's be honest. But I think they actually did well in Australia. Who's this? Silver chair. It has like 60,000 people. If everybody in Australia bought the record, they still wouldn't be rich. You're sounding like a real angry Sheila right now. Oh. I think I'll wait my royalties. Oh, my God. So okay, you know, it's funny talking about Lydia being in the middle and being like, I don't want to be in the middle because you know who else does that? Melissa. Melissa Gorga. Melissa Gorga. She's the queen of that. Oh, my God. Okay. So you know how all of this, the past couple of years with Melissa Teresa, we've all been saying Teresa's crazy when she says this girl, all she wants to do is copy me everything I do. She does. It makes me fucking crazy. If I have the same dress, she buys it. If I do this, she does it. She wants to be on my show and we're like Teresa, who would want to be like you? You look like you're in Planet of the Apes. She does want to be like her and she does copy her and it's so clear now that she's not fighting all the time and she's actually trying to show her real personality. This week, she even started doing this, but she started doing that Teresa squeal thing and I was like, wow, you're really sad. You're sad. You're sad. Someone needs to sit her down and go, Melissa, Melissa, Melissa. That's my Amber impersonation. Melissa. I'm sorry, like I haven't been here in a few weeks, but a few months. I hate the entire new batch of ladies. They're awful, aren't they? And I even hate the return of Dina. I just think the entire thing is crap. I think it's over. I think Jersey is done. Yeah. Jersey needs to be done. It's time for it. Did you fear, though, that there's a thing out on radar online, which is the most credible source out there, and they said that Jacqueline was guesting on Caroline's spinoff, and then Bravo, I think, was starting to notice that Jersey's numbers were dropping because it used to be number two right up there behind Atlanta. Massive numbers, blah, blah, blah. And they were saying that they want to bring back Jacqueline for a hefty pay raise of $800,000 a season. She's not worth it, but I'm also like, but yes, I miss her having that whole like situation with Teresa where she's like, I love her. I hate her. I'm bad at eating a pastrami sandwich. Excuse me. I'm sad. Excuse me. If they're going to bring back a face from the past or, you know, to resurrect New Jersey, don't put it on Jacqueline, the Rita, the most boring of them all. Bring back Danielle. Stop for crying out loud. It's so obvious. I think. Yeah. I mean, these producers, if that's true, these producers are morons because Jackie's part of the reason that this show is so unpopular now. Who the fuck wants to watch it anymore? This year was all about her crying about her son and coming up with water and trying to use her son's illness to sell her fucking water, which is really gross. Right. Now, the issue with this show is not that like everyone's pining for the manzos. The issue is that the women that they brought on are just like, they're stupid. They're not enjoyable and they're too quick to get into conflict. It's just not. There's nothing like real and thirsty. They're trying to. They are. They like you don't pull hair at the beginning of the season, bitch. Yeah. For no reason. I mean, those twins were so excited when they finally had a reason to fight with Amber. They're like, we're leaving the store. We're leaving. Keep our stuff. Send it over. We got to go. Let's get gas. Hurry. Put the gas in. Hurry. We've got to go. They're running out of coladas at Dunkin Donuts. Come on. They were just so excited to go yell at somebody, you know, shut up and then, of course, this week, it's like, oh, wait, I forgave, huh? I forgave. You know, I mean, I forgave easily, you know, that's just how I am. That's why I'm Nicole Napolitano. She's awful. And then when they showed her at the office and, first of all, that office was like the opening scenes of Wolf of Wall Street. That was that office. Totally. Where were they? Where were they in Staten Island or something? I don't know. It was clearly like they were not booking private jets. They were scamming. You know, and her Louis Vuitton purse was worth more than all of the office furniture. Yeah. I expected Alec Baldwin to come in and be like, always be selling, always be selling. And yes, I realized I'm mixing my movie metaphors, but I'm okay with it. Yeah. And you got it wrong. It's always be closing. Closing. Sorry. Oh, yeah. That's right. You can see it. I'm like, what does that sound wrong? That's right. We made a David Mamet reference here on Watch for Crapham's. That's right, guys. Coffee's for closers. All right. There we go. But yeah, could you? We've all worked with that girl, you know, the girl who's like, oh, I got a call. Let me take you my speaker. Yeah, let's say who takes a personal call in a shared office on speaker? I'm going to be near you. I would love to go to lunch and discuss our issues. Oh, well, really? I don't know what I would even say to you. I don't even know if I could talk to you as much. Okay. Good bye. Yeah. Oh, these women are awful. Make it stop. I love that when they get into a fight like that, they both just end up talking over each other for the last five minutes of the call until they both hit the off button at the same time. And no, but nothing's been resolved. A reservation has not been made. Yeah. Exactly. You don't need a reservation at Applebee's. Yeah, exactly. I love how Amber's like, I don't want to be at a fancy restaurant and have someone yelling at me cut to them being at like a pastry shop, you know, like that's probably like attached to like a, like a mobile station. I'll yell at you at the new taco company, the new Taco Bell love scale restaurant thing. Yeah. It's a Taco Bell, Baskin Robbins combo. It's very classy. They should have gone to Serendipity 3 where Dina went on her horrible date and ate a bucket of french fries. I know. Or they should have gone to one of Vito's restaurants. Now Vito, I like Vito. I feel like Vito. Why? I hate him. Oh, I enjoy it. I enjoy it. He's the boss. restaurant tour guy. Oh, he's awful. He's like encouraging to send a drop out of high school. Well, yeah, that's bad. By the way, it's awful. He's like, yeah, you're going to be like me kid. I didn't even go school. Now look at me. I like, yeah, look at you walking around your own restaurant asking your customers to buy you a fucking drink. You fucking loser. I still like him, but you know, by the way, that's son. I was like, wait a second. Tagging release. He's kind of hot. He has big arms. Did you see that? He has big arms. Yeah. Tagging release. Five years from now. Boom. Boom. Yeah. Let him. He still has to go through some like like like like like like and final stages of puberty with like the acne and stuff like that. But then, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Once he gets a little proactive years, he's he'll grow into the nose. He'll get the better haircut and the acne will be gone and it's out. He'll loan a 3000 square foot restaurant in Brooklyn. So there you go. No, in New Jersey. In New Jersey, it's going to be in like that rickety, I don't know, structure, speaking of the restaurants, we did have a whole long scene where like most of the cast got together and we saw Rosie's girlfriend, which is yeah, that was super cute. It was cute. And that was. Yeah, I don't, I'm much to say about that. I mean, that was cute. I mean, basically that that was, I was just like, you know what? Everybody can. Rosie's like everybody. I need to get back out there. Right. It only made me feel bad about myself. Yeah. Rosie's like, yo, I snare her just like a sniper would, you know, I went up to her the net and put it around her just like a sniper. Just like I'd like to give a toast to my lovely lady. I don't know. I like when they when they were like, okay, Rosie, that's enough of your story. Now, you tell your side and she's like, well, I was at this bar and I saw Rosie. She was so innocent. I was like, oh, child molester creepy lady gives me the creeps. Doesn't look like John Ham's lady partner. What's her name is Jessica Jennifer, whatever. Oh, no, Kissing Jessica Stein. Yes. She does look a lot like her. Yeah. Maybe it's maybe it's actually John Ham and drag is Jennifer Westfield. Oh, shit. Just saying. Just saying. Oh, shit. Uh-huh. Maybe that's why she ups a banana down his pants and no one will question it. Yeah, that's true too. Everyone's like, he can't beat her. He's got a giant wiener. Meanwhile, it's just like a big old ham hock. Meanwhile, in Teresa land, it was like the continuing story of Joe Judi's father of the year, aka felon. I mean, I'm so sick of this good edit that they're getting. It really makes me sick. Um, well, you know what, one wonderful thing happened this week was when Dina made Teresa make a vision board. Oh, yeah. And she's like, here's what you do for a vision board. You just put the things you want. Teresa's like, I don't want nothing. I just want health. And she's like, then put health on there. How funny was it that she cut out the word freedom because she knows their criminals? Yeah. Like, I just saw that in big ass while I could have on the board. I was like, I was like, I could have been a reference to Melania, like, please free us of this devil child. I'm surprised that Melania doesn't live in the cages out back with a German symbol with Simba and the chickens. Check it. Know that she would, she would rule that roost. Simba'd be in the corner crying. The chickens would be like dead again because I keep on dying. She would go out there be like, Oh, the chickens are dead. What do I do? Melania just ate a chicken's neck. Oh, I guess the boy that I saw a chicken get killed by Melania. Wait. So Ben, are you not feeling that, you know, when Joe sits down with Gia for her birthday and talks about, you know, boys and stuff like that, you think that that's just them trying to make him look like a big guy on the screen? No, no, no. I thought that was a sincere moment. I thought that was actually very touching. But what I don't like, though, is this whole thing of like, Joe's a good dad. You know, he provides for his family and, you know, we need to rally around him during the entire time. 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Those children are terrible, those parents are terrible, they need to just be moved into a different place away from me. The show doesn't need to be rejiggered. My favorite quote of the show was Teresa saying, "I don't need to do a vision board. My head is a vision board." Very small. I wrote that really big. A lot of space for Clavats. And I love that Melissa and her stupid husband, who are kind of obviously on something, right? Is it just me who's getting that vibe? No, 100%. They're twitching like meth heads, like there's something going on there. I'm guessing Crystal, that's my guess. Crystal waters, 100% pure love. Yeah, there's something fucked up there, their faces are looking fucked up, their skin's not right. Joe especially is fucked up. But anyway, allegedly, as Kathy Griffin would say, but I love that the show opened with them at the garbage truck talking about their stupid garbage truck, and they were at the Bentley place, right? Excuse me. What was that about? For a second, that was not a Bentley dealership. This is where people that have, you know, yes, lots of money, but not that much money go to buy their expensive cars that are clearly like three years old. Yeah. I'm sorry, like, I'm, look, I am, you know, poor in the grand scheme of things compared to these people, but those are clearly like the Bentley's that, you know, Jay-Z drove three years ago, or that somebody drove and got shot in, or it got repossessed. And now the Gorgas can maybe rent it. Yeah, like Beyonce is already peed in the passenger seat of this car. Exactly. That's so long. That's so long. I'd say. And don't refer to her as Beyonce's sister. Her name is Solange. She's Beyonce's sister, okay. Any record sale she has is pretty much because she's Beyonce's sister. Let's not front. Right. Just like Kelly, just like Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams are Beyonce's former band mates. Yeah, exactly. But you know what though, what I thought was funny was when they were like hemming and hung up in the design of their truck, you know, and Melissa's like, why don't you put on the wings, wings or whatever, like they were acting as if it was like an ice cream truck. Like as if people saw this truck going down the street, they were going to like come out with all their papers that he'd be shred. Yeah, wait a second. Let me, it's like, no, it doesn't work that way. They're going to make an appointment for you and, you know, I've got some junk mail for you to burn. Like what kind of business is that? I love that Melissa's story. Melissa's such a fucking liar, by the way. Every time she opens her mouth, it's another lie. And I love that this week it was, oh yeah, you know, I'm real good with business. When I first met Joe, I was in his father's garage doing paperwork. Right. Just speak, just because you know how to sit at a desk doesn't mean you know how to do a job. Yeah. And also we know that Joe met you when you were working in some strip club, like everybody fucking knows that. Yeah. That's what she means about paperwork. Doing paper work in a garage. That was a straight up lie. It was just like, she was swinging upside down. Well, that's what she means about paperwork. You can paper thrown at her, making it right with a paper. Yeah. Dalibils, y'all. Making paper. Yo. And I always, you know, this is the other thing about her. She always wears, and I don't know why, like I pick up on these tiny little details. She always wears that like gold cross necklace that the cross goes sideways. And I just know that half of these women, especially people like her, they wear those necklaces that are like, they don't dangle too far down. She wants to show prominently that she's wearing a cross so that people can think she's a good Christian, even though you know she's the fucking devil. Yeah. Yeah. The biggest crosses are the biggest assholes, always. Yeah. Oh, of course. And you know, the other thing. Look at brother. Look at Devin. The very first shot they showed of that guy Devin was him talking to his daughter acting like a good father, like you're talking to your daughter on Skype, first of all. Yeah. And then second of all, behind you is a wall of like 50 crucifixes, like you're automatically already an asshole. Right. Like you can call it. And of course he was the biggest asshole on the show. Exactly. And then you're constantly didn't turn out to be a huge asshole because she talked about Jesus so much. But then as a result, she turned out to be like the worst player ever because all she did was talk about Jesus. Yeah. Or just say things like, I just give and I give and now someone's given to me. As the one who gives. Oh, thank you Jesus. I hear the I hear the block calling. I know. As we're as we're going to cost. Oh my God. Don't get me started on Jacosta in the bow tie. Okay. Anyway, as we're discussing Jersey right now, I just got the new batch of links that just came in from radar online. One of the top, I'll just read you the Jersey related headlines, Bravo ignores Teresa Giudice's plane, not to send cameras to the sentencing hearing. So clearly Bravo is going to milk this for all his worth, especially if like the show's going down in flames. They're going to get every last crying possible minute out of Teresa. Yeah. Of course. It also says on here, Teresa Giudice gave her daughter a fake in all capital letters family heirloom. So that who knows where that ring came from. Clairs. Clairs. This is from your anti-clair. It probably, it probably was like a ring that was attached to a wine glass of TJ Maxx, and she prided off, you know, you know, they had on the base of the stems. Totally. Do you name on this? You never lose you, Dr. Peppa. God, I hate those wine tags. I hate that shit. I do too. God, I hate. There's nothing I hate more than a holiday wine tag. Ben, you're the, Ben, you're the snowman, Ronnie, you're the Christmas tree and I'll be the little angel or the little drummer boy. I'm so glad I haven't encountered that yet. Oh, I hate that shit. Oh, I never had like holiday drink tags. I would make Matt's socks that were rolled up into each other. Oh, yes. Perfect. Perfect. That's too close to home. Not a strand of pearls. Ronnie's would be some Persian flatbread. I was at the Grove last night, like I thought that they all stayed at the Americana, but they are coming over down to LA. No, actually, this is very interesting. So I was at the Grove last week also. And lately, if you go to the Grove, it's like hugely Muslim, hugely Muslim. Like I was there last night and I was shocked at how many Muslims were there. I was eating at the, I ate at the Greek restaurant and I was like, what is happening? Yeah, no, I think you know. Because they're like, the women are dressed in like burkas. It's like, no way. It's like full on like, it's like, it's like, Berkopalooza at the, at the Grove, you say, so it's like, where are you kidding? I'm not, not, no, the train was filled with burkas. No, I'm telling you, Charlie, the entire, I'm telling you, it's crazy. And I'm, you know, and like, this is like, I've had this conversation with many people. And so someone actually went and did some research. And this may, this may sound weird, but apparently- Well, it's going to, it's going to, it's going to sound like a Chinese whisper. It's, this is, this is some Chinese whispering that I'm going to divulge. But my friend found out from, I guess, someone who works at the Grove, that apparently in the summer, it's just like, extremely hot in the Middle East. And what happens is that like, people from Middle East actually come to LA where it's milder. Oh, you know what? That's true. My friend, I won't say her name right now, but she took a three week vacation to LA because she lives in Dubai. She just left like last week. Yeah. And it's, it's like so, so people are coming to LA and- Wow. Apparently. Also, these people are like, like, stupidly wealthy. And it just like buys up without even trying it on. It's like, it's the best time ever for the Grove. But yeah, if you go there, it's soups muzzy right now. Wow. I love that they come, they come here to cool down and wear burkas. Hashtag. Hashtag soups muzzy next to hashtag Chinese whispers. I'd like to be covered by head to toe and somewhere a little bit cooler. Yeah. I know. All right. All right, guys. So while we move on to Orange County. Is that the only other thing that we have left to discuss? Where's New York at? Where are we at with New York? New York is done. It's over, dude. Um, okay. New York is over. I just want to get- We didn't talk to you about it. So go ahead. Do you have anything to say? Well, I just want to know where you guys stand on who should be back next season. Like the- Just the man. I know. I see everybody. I don't really love Kristen and Heather's time to grow her horse from me. Yeah, I like Kristen at the beginning. Yeah. I mean, you could probably swap. You know, the thing is that what I like about Heather is that she does get feisty every now and then. You know? She does, but I'm really, I'm going to, I know this is going to sound totally crazy and I'm that you guys are going to disagree with me and probably a lot of our listeners. I'm kind of tired of the, um, Heather and what's the Crip Keeper? Carol. Carol and Heather, like that too, some. I'm kind of tired. Yeah. But but Carol is funny though. Uh, okay. So if you're going to get rid of Heather and Kristen, get rid of Heather and Kristen. Yeah. I like Carol. Yeah. I like Carol. You know what needs to happen? I'm just going to say this. It needs to be Luann Ramona, Sonia, Jill Zarin, Kelly, Ben Simone, Alex McCord and Bethany Frankl. I'm sorry. Bring them all back. I agree. But don't bring back some. Don't bring back some bar shop. You know what? Well, first of all, it's rumored that Bethany's going to come back. You guys have heard that. Well, her talk show is done and she's been in talks with NBC Universal social, probably guest star for Andy when he goes on his gay vacations. But I think that part of that contract should demand that she comes back part time to house wives. I want to see her there again dating. She's now dating this other, this dude that she manned up Mary again. I want to see that all again because she truly is a bravo star. Like I'm sorry, but, you know, at the end of the day, Aviva is not a bravo star. I need more star power. I need. For me, I wouldn't mind that. I didn't hate Bethany. I liked her when she was on the show. My hate for her grew after the show, but I liked her when she was on the show. But, you know, when Alex and Jill, when all that and Kelly, they were awful people. And when that show was on, when they were on it, do you remember I could not stand this show. I could not fucking watch it. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. Neurotic women. Just being naggy and neurotic with each other. I can't with that. All right. Let's move on because we still have two more shows to cover. What are the other shows? Below Jack and OC. Okay. Let's just go for OC because below deck still isn't even online. I'm sorry. You haven't watched. You haven't watched below deck yet, Ronnie. It hasn't come online yet. I stopped paying for cable. Okay. Let's just do below deck in two seconds, Ben. It's the dumbest show ever. Nothing happens. It's really me watching people clean windows for an hour and I love it. It's on a fucking boat, right? I enjoy it. I enjoy it now. They're like, clean the deck, kid. And he's like, I don't want to. And he's like, you're going to get fired. I'm like, what? Who cares? You don't have any fucking bus boys to follow around. Why am I watching this? Listen, Ronnie, what you miss was a very tense moment when someone fell off a swing. And that's the cliffhanger. It was the military guy. And what I actually think is funny is that this guy does like a tour of duty with the military. He goes to Iraq or wherever he is. But the end of the day, at the end of the day, it's going to be a swing in the Bahamas. That doesn't mean he can drive a tank and shoot a rocket launcher, but he can't swing. Yeah. And I like him now because when he was crying with his sister, it was so sweet. I was like, oh. I don't know why. I mean, I sit there and I watch it. And it's like, oh, and I'm looking at my watch and I'm like, this is my life. This is what I'm choosing to do with my life. We need to see. And I can't not turn it off. Well, we need to see more of them getting drunk because that's when it's fun. That's when Kat goes crazy. I like the Kate Blanchett woman who's like the first steward. Oh, so long. I like her. She's cute. Yeah. She's like the whole napkin scene for some reason I was very involved in the napkin scene that happened. But the reality is like every single episode is going to be exactly the same. Somebody's not going to clean the deck properly. Somebody is going to get drunk and fall. And then there are going to be some fat new money, rich white trash people who are like, I want cheese sticks. Yeah. That's going to be every episode. And I'm committing to it. Yeah, I'm actually OK with it. I'm on board. No pun intended. You know what, if I want to watch a bunch of maids bitch at each other, I'll go down to the street to the bus stop in front of the whole foods and watch that shit without commercials. OK, can I get to the point? Let's get to the point. Let's get to O.C. O.C. O.C. I'm sorry. This is the best of all of them. O.C. This season has been on point. Excellent. Excellent. And a lot of talk on our Facebook page and people like not liking the ending to it. And I have to say, loved the ending to it. I thought it was so good. I love that Shannon shot all of the drama down in one sentence. And then the show was forced to focus on, like, real things. Like they ended it in a positive way, which never happens. Yeah, I didn't care one way or another about how it ended. I thought it was a little weird how it didn't end at the party. But I didn't care. Why? I mean, here's the thing. This show has had nine seasons. And yes, Vicki, I've loved her. I've hated her. I've just felt nothing for her at certain times. I actually liked that they gave her the final 10 minutes because I actually, this is going to make me sound like a complete idiot. I actually think that she really is suffering with Brianna leaving with Ryan and these babies. And it was kind of, and the ugly baby who looks like a baby. It looks like the baby that is in like the like the devil baby they put in a cage that they try to sell at Halloween every year at those halloween's home. Is that little baby that they had propping out at people on those viral videos and that Satan movie came out? Yes. I remember those. But anyway, so I like that they gave Vicki the final 10 minutes of the show like that. It was fine because, you know, like you said, Shannon shut the shit down at the dinner party. Yeah. But that being said, that dinner party was quite fun to watch. Yeah, let's go there and then we'll go to the end. Yeah. So let's see. Where do we begin? I mean, you know, the, the party started. Okay. Tamara, Tamara started off the episode by trying to pull a Lisa Vanderpump. Yeah. It was like, I left them because I left the trip because everybody was so mean to me. And they were so horrible. And I know they were just talking behind my dad. I was being attacked. They, every, every night. You are. No, it was a Vanderpump. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Lisa Vanderpump was actual, like we were actually rooting for her. The whole world is rooting for your ass to go down. Yeah. She probably had to race. She probably had to race back because she was probably needing to be in court because she's a horrible mother and Simon was taking her court for being a neglectful mother. Well, that's, I wish they could have talked about that stuff. I understand they couldn't for legal reasons, but at the end, when she's trying to use it to get sympathy, all I could think of is why is your head so big, but then your cheeks are so small. What happened to you? Are you getting your fucking skull shaved? Is that a thing? Oh, yeah. What's that? You've been sanded down. Um, so, well, I think the, the, the dinner party started off more or less fine. And then it started to go downhill. Well, wait, wait, wait. What did you think about Tamara's fake, um, little chit chat with Brooks before the whole party ended up? Well, I mean, like, how many times does she have to have that conversation with everyone in this cast? You know, but you know that everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie. Like, they were not really buddies by the end of that. We all make mistakes. We all make mistakes and I'll accept the apology and I hope we can go to a better place and let's go. Why is he, why is he forced to come? Because he is. He is. Except not a smart. I bought a card for you Tamara and it says we both been in court. We both come up short. Let's just hug and have a good snort. You got any co-coney? How? Lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of, lots of chocolates if you sit on it. It melts. Is that how it goes? Is that the saying? Hey, look, there was a feather. Let's go play some ping pong. I'm going to shoot the ball. I'm going to shoot the ball into the big piece of vagina. That's not too much. That's my favorite body part of a vagina. You would never know I quit smoking two fucking years ago. Okay. I want to talk about Tamara's makeup in that scene. She looks like there are these beavers that live under the street where I live and when I walk my dog late at night, they poke their head out of the gutter and they hiss. Okay. You live in West Hollywood. There are not beavers. There are no beavers in West. There's like these animals live under there and they look like you're going to fucking come out and kill it. No, no beavers. There are raccoons. Raccoons, raccoons. I'm sorry. Yeah, let's say beavers, not beavers on Fairfax, at least not the animal kind. I'm like, guys, I walked through my closet and it opens to another world where this lady's trying to feed me chocolate all the time and take me on her sleigh. They look like raccoons. Yes. Okay. Racoon. The other raccoons. That's what she looked like. She's almost like, oh my God, Bueller, don't try and eat that. It will poison you. Did I lose you? I know. I'm still just thinking about the idea of little beavers like in the gutter, like the clown from it. Yes, exactly. It's waiting to pull you in, except it's Tamra. Oh, Tamra and the clown from it are pretty close. I've never even seen it, but I know there's a scene with the clown. Yeah, Pennywise. Yeah, Pennywise. Isn't there a scene where the clown comes out of the drain of a shower? I imagine Tamra doing that to people every single night. Well, she don't have a penny and she's not wise, so that applies here. In the locker room, it cuts fitness. Yeah. Yeah. But they don't put towels and goods on the shelves because it makes it look cluttered. Ryan is leaving for that old-ass woman and now she's pregnant. What is up with that? You know, listen, we need more white trash in the world. So hey, all the power to them. I wonder if they're going to name the baby Nugget. Remember that? Remember Nugget? Oh, yes. Isn't that tattooed in his lip? Yeah, it's in his inner lip. And remember, that's when she started sobbing? I think she was in Lake Havasu. She was. That might have been the instance where Vicki got him. Yes, it was. It was right after that. There were a lot of tears. That was a classic. A season three classic. That was a great season. I think that was the... I think that was the Gretchen season or is that the season before it? It was either season three or season four. That was a great stretch. Yes. Cowboy hats. Hala. Yeah. There have been some great seasons of OC. There really have been. And we have not had a great one in a while. This is the best one since Lynn Curtin was evicted. Okay, so when are we going to talk about the fact that the De Barros are the worst people face of the Earth? Wait a second. Let's build up to that. Okay. So let's go back to the party. So everything's still going... Wait, wait. We're in Bali. We're in music playing. There's an elephant statue. Go. Kodo De Bali. And everything is more or less polite. And Tamara, who I believe casts the first stone. Wasn't it Tamara? Yes. Yes. There was a shoot. She lives across to Lizzie. Yeah. She goes out again. She goes out Lizzie. Like, what are you going to admit about what you said about my husband? As if Tamara hasn't said, like, so many worst things to all the husbands, you know? And what I love is, you know, Lizzie actually really stands around with Tamara. And I really appreciate that. And I really liked Lizzie taking Tamara to task about the... Oh, because Tamara got mad at Lizzie for saying something about Mexican Italian babies, right? Right. And she got mad that Lizzie said that. She's like, "How could you say that when you know my baby situation?" And I love that Lizzie's response in the interview was, "I don't feel sorry for Tamara's baby situation. She has four kids. She's been married three times. I think she has plenty of babies. She's almost 50 years old. She's fine." Really, Lizzie looked great in this episode, as did her husband, who was like, "By the way, you were playing a game and you altered it way too personally." Like, that was too much of a reality check for all these great kids. Yeah, should be the one who's angerest of all, God. He's like, whatever. I mean, Tamara is the fact that she would even pull the baby card like that. But don't you also see how, like, every time, especially this season that she's gotten into a fight like this, where they've been in a group situation with couples, Eddie never comes to her defense or chimes in because he knows he's married to a fucking asshole. Well, he doesn't want to scare away his beard. Yeah, exactly. Your beard can't just up and run away from you. I love that he not only, like, stays quiet, he tells her, "Oh, go to bed, Tamara." Well, the thing with Tamara, actually, what makes her so pathological is that she, across the board, wrongs all these women. And then when the women get mad at her for wronging them, she, instead of, like, taking responsibility for it, sometimes she'll say she's taking responsibility or she feels awful. What she really does, though, then she starts to build a case and why she doesn't like them, you know? Right. Right. And then they, with the Shannon thing, right? Like, they kept cutting to Tamara, like, in the confessional going like, "I really want to mend my relationship with Shannon, you know, like, I really, I know that I did her rhymes." It's like, no, no, you don't want to mend anything because you're awful. Yeah. Yeah. Because from the moment that Shannon called out Tamara and said, like, "I'm really upset about you that you told Heather this stuff," which, again, as I always like to point out, came on the heels of Tamara yelling at Heather for spreading privileged information. As soon as Heather said, "I'm sorry," she said, "Well, guess what I heard about Shannon, you know?" So as soon as Shannon confronted Tamara about that, that's when Tamara started the campaign against Shannon. But then why, well, why was Heather so dis-, I mean, Heather gets disgusted by, like, such ridiculous things, but she was revolted by Shannon talking to Vicki on the airplane ride home and saying, like, "You better be careful of Tamara," like, like, Heather took that to such a crazy level because that's what, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but Shannon did the exact right thing and Vicki is somebody who keeps falling into the Tamara trap multiple times and clearly Shannon has watched that on DVD on Bravo over the years and it's kind of just like, you know what, you should warn Vicki that you keep dancing with the devil. Because you know what, Heather hates Shannon and because she hates Shannon, you know, anything that Shannon does is going to piss her off. Heather hates Shannon so much that she made the biggest possible mistake, which is putting all of your bets on Tamara fucking it. Yes, that's a great one. She made herself look like the biggest asshole ever because when you side with Tamara Barney, AKA Tammy Sue V, you are an idiot and she idiot for thinking that Tamara is not going to come after her next season because Tamara sees that people hate Heather now and she's an idiot for wearing those hideous evil C word bangs in the reunion. Cut fitness bangs? You know it. Oh, you mean Heather's bangs? Oh my God. Yes. Well, I mean, Heather, she's like, magica dispel with longer hair and me and Shannon, poor Shannon. I don't know what she did to her face, but it made her look older. This is bad. Very bad decision on Shannon's part. Okay, we need to talk about how much I hate Terry Dubrow and how I actually thought that David Shannon's husband gave a real apology and this is all the way back to earlier in the season when they were having their breaking ground party and they were all getting drunk at this party. I don't care if there were little children and adults there. There was an open bar and people drink at an event that there's an open bar and there's a mechanical bull. People are going to act like wild crazy people. Have you ever been to Saddle Ranch, motherfucker? If you're going to have kids there, don't have an open tequila bar, if you have an open tequila bar, don't have kids there or separate it out time wise. But like, you know, or how about just don't throw a party because you're digging a fucking hole in the ground. Thank you, Ronnie. Jackie, discuss a man's house that no one gives a fuck about this new man or my wife, the care that your husband makes a ton of money, bitch. You did not make that money. Okay. You made $5 on Hawaii, five oh, so shut the fuck up and stop bragging about shit. You never accomplished. Okay. And how about the fact that if anybody said anything offensive, it was Eddie, not David. Yes. It's the worst. He was like, yeah, so it's how you ride Terry. Right. So you know what? He also said that in front of the grandmother and the children, but you know what? Because they've decided to, you know, side with Tamara and Eddie, they will never get blamed for it. And Shannon and David have to take all the blame. And I think it is complete bull fucking shit. And if Andy does not show that clip in the reunion, I'm going to freak out. And no, here's the thing. Oh, I'm sorry. I was going to say, you know what, like, here's the thing. All these people on this show and a lot of people that we see from Orange County on this show are tacky ass motherfuckers. If I may use a word from Heather from New York, they are tacky ass motherfuckers. So when you invite these, this is not the gato started talking gang terms, everyone. But when you when you invite trashy people over to your place, you're going to hear trashy things, especially when you give them a lot of tequila. So don't be so surprised, OK? That's all my fault. You know, I really hated that Terry was like, oh, yeah, you're a construction guy. And I know you're used to, like, catcalling women and acting disgust. It's like, what the fuck, you piece of shit. Yeah. It was actually someone for not being a doctor, like you're openly making food. It was really, really offensive. You know, my father works in construction. All of my dad's best friends work in construction. I thought it was disgusting that he would say this. And he is that asshole who all he does all day is rejuvenate vaginas and give people breast augmentations that don't need them. So he's telling you are not better because you're a doctor, you are a piece of trash who stars on that other fucked up show about botched people. You were disgusting. You fucking glue together fuck puppets for a living to keep old men happy, you asshole. Shut up. At least someone, that guy is building a house. Yeah. And when he told David to look up sardonic, it was such an asshole movie. And then you saw, like, Heather Smirk, like, that's my husband. I mean, I love when Vicki said in the interview, like, this is, this is the problem that, that we keep on telling Heather about is that she's being condescending and here she's doing it again. And you know, Heather's going to watch this footage and she's not going to see herself as being condescending. No. She's going to see herself as standing up for righteousness. And I love that Vicki has come to the realization that these people are fucking bitches. Like Vicki is crazy and a disaster and her whole world is a mess between brooks and brian all about. But at least Vicki can see when people are being assholes. Why did, um, remind me again, why did Terry start yelling at David? What did David say that got, that got Terry going? It was, it was, it was all back to me. Nothing. He thought that the, he thought the apology was fake and when he said spread the legs on the bull spread. No, I know that. But like when they were talking at the dinner table, because the apology happened before dinner. And then there was a dinner table and then Terry went off on, on, on David, I just can't remember why. And called him a penis. He said, we have a term for you medicine. It's called penis. Oh, because it came because the women were talking, it wasn't about stupid Terry. Yeah, exactly. And the DeBros came ready to fight. I mean, they just came ready for the finale fight and they were like, what do we have for the finale fight? This is a big show, you know, which they always do on these finales. They always have their big fights or whatever. And I remember the first season they were on and the party was also at Vicki's house and she was wearing socks and rocks or rocks and socks, boobs. Oh, that was so disturbing. I will never forget that. No. And she was having this party. And no, it was Heather's house. That's right. The first season they were on. That was their first season outside. And Heather was so excited to be fighting with somebody and she was getting all dramatic about the cake. That's right. That was like a cake rate. And then she was sitting down and fighting with Jim Bellino and they were like laughing. They were having so much fun calling Jim Bellino a piece of shit, which he is. But I just remember thinking you guys have so much glee and you're just being awful. And they've just grown into monsters. I mean, this year they came and they were just ready to rip it up. And when David said, oh, so now I'm white trashed because I'm in construction. And Heather's like, he did not say that. With her finger straightening his face, I was like, these people are the words. Right. And you know what? I'll tell you right now, those people were pointing. Both of the DeBros were pointing their finger. If I was standing, if I really was on the other end of that, I would have ripped her bony ass finger off of her hand. I would have really hurt that bitch. Yeah. I mean, like I have a lot of anger issues. I would have hurt her. I love it. She's I mean, they're just they're they're too vile, vile people, basically. And they've just like, what have you done? Like, that's what kills me. Like, Terry, I get it. He's built something. But Heather, what have you done? Like, you haven't even raised your children and you have like 20 nannies. You can't even fucking cook. Like what do you do all day? I mean, right. I'm out of process and scared children when they're trying to sleep and they try to do those like little like interstitials where it's like, oh, like those little silly things they do with always a 40 minute mark and it's like, um, yeah, I'm so sorry that I have somebody, you know, I can afford to have a cook, cook my dinner. Oh, wait, I'm not. I have to I have to make a comment about that interstitial because what cracked me up was that all the quote unquote apologies were over stupid things like I apologize for people who like stemless wine glasses and everything was like this minor shit, whatever. And then Vicki in the middle goes, uh, I'm sorry for like confusing Italians and Mexicans and whoa, whoa, that's a whole different level. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Chinese whispers. Yeah. I'm certain. I like when she's like, I apologize to the entire state of Oklahoma. Well, that was the classic Lee. It taught us this, this part where it's the classic after the season has been airing and they see everything happening. They give them one last chance to go into the interview room and they take all those interviews and then they start using them throughout the season so that they can start defending themselves, which is where all of the Tamara, like all of this Tamara being like, um, nice and trying to say I really like Shannon, right that was the first three episodes. Yeah, exactly. That was after she knew that Shannon was already popular, like Vicki is apologizing to Oklahoma because she's taken a lot of shit from Oklahoma. You know, you don't fuck with those people. My God, they might not run to you, but they'll sue you. Yeah. Um, but I was so worried going into this finale that like, um, you know, I hate Heather more than any housewife ever, uh, Tamara is right up there too. And I was getting to this point where I was like, Oh my God, Heather was the devil for the first half of the season. And now they're flipping it onto Tamara. I can't have this season end with Tamara being the only villainess in this group. But you know what, Heather came through as the biggest bitch ever. It isn't that why this season is so amazing because there is this like great evolution of the villainy. And I love the way that, you know, the role that Tamara played in the beginning and then towards the end. And I loved how I loved again. I said this last week, it was a slow build of, of, of bitchiness in a certain way because it started, you know, in the beginning of the season, you know, we had issues with chairs at Mexican restaurants, you know, and then you get to the end and it gets to this shit that's just like really like intense and like pertains to marriages, perhaps falling apart and things being said about like other people's wives. And to me, that is like real drama. It's not like, um, oh my God, I heard a rumor about you breaking up a marriage in New Jersey. You know, it's like, that's not a drama. Right. Right. No, you're right. And you know, I, you mentioned the Mexican restaurant again, this is something that if it's not played during one of the reunions, it's going to be a serious problem for me because half of this season was built on the fact that Heather felt that she was being screamed at by Shannon in two different places, the Mexican restaurant and at the party, neither of which times she yelled or screamed at her. She did raise her voice slightly. But you know what, if she can't have that played back and the camera put on her face and saying, can you explain how this is yelling? I'm going to be pissed. Exactly, especially when Shannon actually did apologize for at least the second occasion for saying, I'm sorry that I like, you know, that I upset you in your house or whatever. I wasn't meaning to yell. I thought my voice was written. You know, she apologized. And as she said last night, she's like, I feel like we're always having to apologize to the de Brose. I mean, has anybody ever had a better and not, not from the very first season, but as any, has any newbie across any of these come in and had a better first season where one, we like her be the general audience likes her. She see three is clearly getting another season and four, like is not a horrible person. Shannon is has the best first season ever for a new. She does. I think I mean, close is, close is probably Kenya more maybe, but the thing is you sort of hated her. I actually think you know, another close one, which it's easy to forget now because ties have changed or ties have turned, but Brandy have that kind of season. She came on and she was like a total instant hero because she was sticking up to those witchered cons. I feel like this is a Yahoo TV blog that I need to do before Buzzfeed does it like the best first season from a newbie. I know. I'm like back in my head. I'm thinking. Um, anyway, the point is this, I think that Shannon and David really made themselves look like class acts and as much of a class act as you can make yourself look like during a, you know, a finale where you know that it's been scripted to have a fight. And I liked how she sat there and said, you know what, three months ago, I would have lost my cool. I would have been screaming right now because you guys keep telling me that I'm a liar, but I'm just sitting here and I'm able to remain calm because I'm okay with it. Yeah. And she's like, let's just, why are we acting like this to each other? Let's be in a positive place. And the depros looks so mad that they, because they, exactly because like you said, Ronnie, they were there wanting to fight and they kind of just got shut the fuck down. Yeah. So back to their carport and, uh, and complain about her in private because they basically lost. Yep. Um, but they surround themselves with yes people so they'll never know the difference. Well, and they're also delusional. I mean, we saw it last season on, on the reunion when, oh, by the way, Gretchen, Gretchen had a great first season. Let's, how about that? Gretchen had an amazing first season. Do you guys miss, um, you know, at the beginning of this season, I was really concerned about missing Jugsy Malone, whatever Jesus, Jugs and, uh, Gretchen, but by the end, you know, I still miss having Gretchen a little bit in the mix. I don't really miss Slade as much, but this season was so great that I think it's fine. I am hearing that Lizzie is not going to be invited back in full capacity. And I'm also obviously hearing you guys heard this that, you know, Tamara, because she's revealing all these secrets, because she knows she's getting a, you know, she's claiming she's getting a bad edit and she doesn't like being the villain that, you know, she talked all the shit about Bravo and they're not going to deal with her diva antics anymore. But part of me is like this, you keep Lizzie in a reduced role, you may be bringing one more, you've got to keep that other core intact. Oh, you, you actually have to camera will be back. Yeah. Yeah. Tamara will. As much as I, as much as I hate her, you can't have, I feel like this show cannot exist without her. She is probably the slickest villain on all the housewives because she knows we say this all the time, every season she knows exactly who to turn against and it always creates drama. Even on the dull seasons of OC, she knows exactly who to turn against every single time. Well, Tamara is an awful human being, but that's why she's on the show. I say Lizzie's awful. She brings nothing. She's a fake bitch. All the shit she caused, I, she actually made me side with Tamara a couple of times. I know. I know. And nobody wants to watch her be pregnant next season. Nobody gives a shit. I want to sit here and listen to her talk about her birthday. Lizzie is that I actually feel like she's pretty smart and, you know, I like the way, I like the way that she defends herself when needs be, but she spent too much of the season being like, oh my God, being a mommy so hard. But what I've learned to do is I put one kid asleep first and then I put the other one to sleep. It's like, okay. The other thing is we, and we all agree, I know the three of us agree on this. Nobody wants to watch young girls on these shows. If you're not, like, if you're not well into your forties with a lot of wine coursing through your events, I don't give a shit about you. Yeah, they just don't get along. They can't bond the same way, you know, they just, it's going to be a show about young women do it, but 45 year olds don't hang around with 30 year olds. Exactly. Um, yeah, I think she's terrible. And at least she was nice in the first part of the season. But then when she tried to get her housewives stuff in and just be a con, just to be a con, like to get screen time, I was like, you know, you're just another one. And you're not even an entertaining one. So just get out of here. I don't like her. I would rather have Bellino back. I thought she was hilarious. Oh, she was hilarious, but she couldn't, the problem though with her, she could not even be in the same, like Heather could not be in the same room with her without ripping her to shreds. And it was just like it was funny at first, but then it just got really sad. Oh, I cannot watch Heather. I want Heather gone. I think they should get rid of Heather, Lizzie, and keep the rest of them and then get somebody, you know, keep a couple of it, you know, get a new cooke for next year. I think can I tell you Heather, she's so, she's so awful that like you have to have Heather is also going to say that she got such a terrible edit and they made her into the villain this year. So she's going to come back next year being extra fake, but you know, after like three episodes, her true inner asshole is going to come right out raging right out and it's just not, we're not going to be able to restrain. Well, Heather doesn't even try and hide it. Like that sorry thing and you already mentioned it, but her actual quote was, I would like to apologize to everybody that I have a chef and you have to cook. Oh, never mind. I'm not sorry. Fuck you. The only thing that you have a chef, everyone's mad that you're so fucking pretentious that you can only talk about your husband's money, bitch. The thing that could have made this season or next season better when we're talking about casting is after this big dinner party, you know, Vicki has the final 10 minutes. She's saying goodbye to Ryan and Brianna who are taking the baby to Oklahoma when Vicki is sobbing and walking back down, you know, way when they pull away in their truck. The only thing that could have happened to make my heart sing was if Gina Kiho had walked out and hugged her and said, neighbor, I'm always here for you. And then Gina is back next season. That would have been amazing. That would have been amazing. Yeah, that would have been amazing. Come on. If they should have scripted, why didn't somebody do that? That would be pretty amazing if they brought Gina back. It's time. It's time. She will fight that Tammy Sue. Yeah. Yeah. If they just, it would be fun if they just started bringing back a bunch of the originals to start tiring. Clearly that's happening. You saw, like, they not Quinn and her wig, but you saw how they downgraded Luan because of that whole Jacques situation, but now Luan is still back. The fact that they're letting Adrian Maloof come back for a little bit of Beverly Hills here and there. They are definitely open when a show is starting to drop in the ratings slightly or they feel like they need to do some fresh casting. They used to not be open to that as a possibility. They're clearly open to that now. They're clearly is the chance for Bethany to come back. They're clearly is a chance for Gina to come back. I really see this being something that we're going to notice over the next year or two because as these shows start to gray a bit, yes, Atlanta's ratings are through the roof, but the rest of them are starting to gray a bit, not in our hearts and minds, but in the ratings they are. If they need to revitalize. Frankly, in our hearts and minds too, it's like, well, you can only take, it's the same circle over and over. Yeah. The same storylines. It's the same bullshit over and over. I'm sick of it. And frankly, I hope they take this OC tag, which is to kind of make it a little bit more positive. Like the fun parts are really not the huge fights. The fights are pretty. They're fun occasionally, but the most fun I have is just watching them being fruit loops. What is wrong with you? Number one, the fights are amazing and why would I watch the show if they didn't have them? Well, Melbourne doesn't really have them and that's one of my favorite ones. I think it's hilarious. Like that's a perfect example of just like getting really kooky women and just watching them be funny. Like one thing Slade said that was interesting at that party was that because I don't really talk to him. But one interesting thing he said, he was like, you know, this was, the show was created by someone from Groundlings, which is a comedy for those of you who don't know, it's like a big comedy place. And it was created as a improvised sitcom. So it was supposed to just be funny. And the second somebody had any conflict and people started going crazy on the internet. They were like, oh, it's just turned it all into conflict and women fighting with each other. And that makes so much sense because it used to be light-hearted. Well, you do miss those moments of levity where you had like Alexis trying to be like us, you know, a reporter, like I do miss those moments every once in a while, I will give you that. Well, and that's why everyone should watch Game of Crowns because Game of Crowns is pretty much nothing but that with occasional like past aggressive spat. No, they like literally fight on that show. No, but Game of Crowns, they'll have arguments, but like most of the episode is watching these women doing like stupid ass things like the like the crowning of like Mrs. Rhode Island and Mrs. Massachusetts in that restaurant. Yeah. Like that, like that has so many of those moments that you can't help. Like remember the fashion show with like the kid fashion show that was like Bella singing a song called LOL. I mean, yeah, that's it was rich. Yeah. And I think that that's one of the reasons that big like shows like Big Brother are always consistently good even on the boring years because the people aren't trained yet on what to do necessarily and they're just kind of being themselves and making asses out of themselves. And that is so fun to watch. It really, really is. Um, I have to split here in a second, but because you just mentioned Big Brother, I will just say that for all of you listening, um, I hate Frankie with all of my being and whatever, whatever guy walked past the Big Brother house a few nights ago and screamed over the wall when Frankie Caleb and, um, who was the other one with them? Frankie Caleb and maybe it was a Cody. What happened? Okay. They said. Okay. Frankie Caleb and who was the other one that they mentioned and Zach and Zach were playing outside and a guy walked past and like screamed over and they actually heard them and you could see their faces react to this on like after dark or on the live feeds. And the guy said, um, Caleb, we all hate you, Zach, we all love you. And Frankie, you're disgusting. And I was like, you are my hero. Wow. You are. You know, I don't, I don't hate Caleb as much as I used to. To me, he's just like, he's like, he's like middle of the pack to me. I agree. I thought he was going to be way more offensive at the beginning of the season, but he's totally whatever it would have been if Amber had stayed in. I mean, that guy's one of the biggest pig misogynists I've ever fucking seen. No, no doubt. But I'm kind of like checked like with Nicole gone. I'm kind of checked out. Well, no, I'm, I, well, here's the thing, uh, Frankie in the beginning of the season, I was like, when you first appeared, I was like, Oh, this guy is the worst. Like typical like drama club theater queen type that's like just so annoying. Only wants attention. And then as the season went on, I started to think, you know, he's actually like pretty smart and when he's like, not aware that cameras are on him. He's like, all right. He's not smart. But just stupid. No, he, but he's like crafty. But then now that he has unleashed the Ariana Grande secret, he has now actually become so insufferable. It's like he has actually unleashed his, his, his, his hidden self and he is so annoying and everything he says sounds like an audition to be on a CBS sitcom. And it's like, I mean, he's like a sitcom humor. When he called himself an internet superstar or like a YouTube mobile. He actually said he's an internet. He's a social media mogul. Disgusting. Do you remember him? Do you remember he was the one who got Leah Black in trouble for making fun of mom and house? He was the one. Yeah. He was the one doing like a mom and Elsa impersonation, which admittedly we've done many of them, but his was like, Oh, if you're out of stroke, whatever, he, his was like sort of, yeah, he was holding his cheek open. I mean, guys, just the thing with him, like he's one of those gay guys who never has anything funny to say. He just says it really gay and jumps around a lot. He's got this weird tick. I just, the guy, I just, the whole thing with me is the Ariana thing is cringe worthy. He always has to be the center of attention. And you want to talk about getting a good edit. I mean, the stuff that that guy says on the feeds and the way that he acts towards the other people is really gross and they make him like a saint on the show. Well, if you were cute, it would be different. But you know what? I'm not feeling it. And I will also say this. My girl of all girls, Rachel Riley was on the eviction show. She looked amazing. She was hilarious. I love her to death. She and Janelle forever. And when Rachel was on the show, I wanted to play big booty with her. I love her. And I was just sitting there like, Oh, this is great. She's amazing. She's amazing. But then she said she loves Zanky. And I was like, Rachel, come on, girl, you should know that you should know that Frankie is disgusting. Yeah. Yank in the beginning, but the novelty of it has kind of worn off for me. And in the beginning, it was like, Oh, my God, this is amazing. Like there's like a straight guy and I'm like, maybe he's gay and all that. But now I'm kind of like, I'm over it. Actually, you know, I like Zach, but I don't understand why people love Zach as much as they do. I mean, I understand Donnie. I understand why people like Donnie. And I like Nicole, but I think that I think that them lying about Zach being Amanda Zuckerman's cousin is so hilarious because they are so similar. Like the way that he is such a bully to everybody and like openly mocks them and tries to make them cry on purpose. But then the second he loses a game, he's like literally crying. My like, that's not fair. This is the way it's true. My biggest disappointment for the season was actually Christine because I loved her. I truly loved her in the beginning. And I thought that she and Nicole had a lovely relationship going on and that Christine just sort of like was swept up by this, these two alliances and instead of her reaction being like, ha, I'm going to be a spy and Nicole and I are going to take them all down. She just got caught up on it and betrayed her friend. Well, all of those girls were idiots. Like, I'm not saying that an all I'm not saying that an all girls alliance is going to make sense for the entire show. But if the women next season, if they split it like eight and eight or nine and nine or whatever, if the women don't look at these past seasons and go, Hey, you know what we need to do immediately, get rid of three strong dudes, they're fucking stupid. Because guess what, these women got obliterated and Christine, there's no way she's going to the end. There's no way. Well, also big brother this year did not really cast any strong female personalities. They all were kind of meek, you know, you know what it got, it was getting good for Brittany right before her ass got kicked out because she was going to be the only one that was willing to fight the dudes. Yeah. Exactly. And if these, if these people don't immediately start to real, I mean, Cody is so cute but so stupid. And I just want to say if you guys, if you guys, oh, with that hideous tattoo, if you guys cannot see that Derek is running this house and has the money in his motherfucking pocket right now, your idiots, if you do not evict him immediately. Well, I loved when Amber was evicted and she's like, the guys are just running the house. I'm like, yeah, well, guess what? Remember when Joey approached you in the beginning of the season and said, let's do an all girls alliance and you were the one who didn't really respond to her and as resulted all fell apart? That's on you. Right out of the house. Yeah. That's on you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The girls, not only are stupid. They actually got each other kicked out and they actually like glowed about it. Like Victoria glows when she kicks a woman out. I'm like, what? How stupid are you? Victoria is like really, truly one of the most worthless players we've ever seen. But all the women were. But how, how weird is this? But how is it weird that I'm rooting now for Victoria to kind of go far because I hate everybody else? I don't want her to go far because it'd be just hilarious if this like total loser makes it to the end. I do love that Donnie keeps getting by and I like that Donnie is smarter than he sounds. But they're just, you know, he's screwed, but he's screwed because, you know, he's not willing to break apart this alliance. He recognizes who's running the house. He sees what's happening, but he's not the type that will create cracks. The thing that made me so crazy is when they were in that dark box challenge and clearly he knew it and he admitted that Christine threw the challenge and was giving her keys away or was not doing anything and he is the one who got all of those bones or whatever. When they walked out of that house, even though his ass is on the line, like, and he's clearly not going to win this show, he should have just walked out, pointed his finger in her face and said, bitch, you just screwed me over and I want everybody here to know that you threw that challenge and you're a terrible actress. Fuck you. It doesn't matter because they all knew that she was throwing that challenge. Right. But I just wanted to do it. Because he's not willing to go there, like, I can't root for him that much because he's just too passive. Yeah, he is too passive. That's something. It's just something about my personality and clearly I get way too heated and I'm like a yeller. No, I'm not rooting for him either because of the same thing and also when he has moved and when he has made moves, they've been so incredibly stupid and wrong and he's betrayed the wrong people. Like Nicole, well, Nicole that time was trying to work with him and he immediately goes and out-tattletales, like, and if this idiot was trying to work with me, it's like, dude, you're not working with anyone and someone tried to work with you. How stupid are you? There are too many passive people on this cast and it is basically a cast where the passive people are willing to just sit and let their face be decided by a large majority and the people on the majority are too myopic to realize that eventually, like, they, you know, they're gonna have to turn on each other and they may need those floaters that give them some numbers and it'll be too late to realize that and that's why I don't, I didn't love this battle, the block twist because it, it, I feel like- Oh my god, it went on way too long. It went on too long and it also really incentivized these people to put up, to nominate the same people over and over and over again. I like the MVP twist. I like the idea that, that someone who is perhaps disenfranchised in the house, like, you know, Donnie is like the most popular one, he would have been able to nominate someone every week secretly. I love the paranoia that it creates, I like that it keeps the people in power on edge and I think having three nominees, it just, it just worked, it worked really well less season. Remember all the craziness we had last season because of MVP and didn't even last as long as Battle of the Block. Well, part of it was because last year there were such strong female personalities, but, you know, as we've learned from the housewives shows, strong personalities on females can be very harmful. Like, the last year the strong personalities were a bully, which was Amanda, a racist, which was Aaron, an idiot racist, which was Gina Marie. Who else? Like, there was so many stupid fucking racists on that. So good. So good. So funny. When you say that, I'm like, oh, I miss it. I mean, I think the guys this season, they're good personalities with the guys on this season, but there's just, there's no balance. Like, I think there's no personality. I think it's just a bunch of bland people who work out and have no personalities. And the only thing that keeps it is like the little bits of drama in it are funniness and it keep me going, but this is not one of my favorites, I have to say. I think that the men are well cast. I do think that there is like drama and personality there. But I think the women, it was, it was a, I don't know what CBS was thinking. They really dropped the ball. I mean, Amber. I think the men are just trying to like play other big brother characters who have been on before. They literally talk about it. They're like, oh, don't pull a boogie, man. Like, let's do this and let's be like the brigade and let's name our alliance 20 different things. And like he, it's like, we've already seen it. You're not auditioning for something like be yourself, like, why are you trying to be other losers? Like they were losers in their own right. Right. Do you really want to, do you really want to be the meow meow? Really? Is that your goal? Exactly. You need a little Enzo in your life. Please just be original. Here's where I think the casting really fell flat with Victoria and Jacosta and perhaps even Joey because especially Victoria and Jacosta because Victoria truly is not a reality star and she's not like, she's, it's not like she's someone who was quiet and begin the season. Now we're like starting to peel away layers. It's not that. She's not, she's not stubborn. She's not a motive. She's not cute. She's not fun. There's just nothing to her. She just sits there. Jacosta was like the same thing over and over again. She actually had personality but she would only show it in interviews with like Julie Chen, you know, and the rest of the time she'd sort of sit around and she would do nothing. She didn't scheme. She just made it said stupid things. It just like that was, if they had one also, I mean like get the boys some credit too. I mean, Cody is pretty terrible, but Cody plays a role because Cody is really hot and that's what Amber played. Amber was the hot one. You know, you do need to have like hot people and you know, and there was that love triangle with Cody and Amber. Oh, come on. I enjoyed it. The show would be so much better if they cast some more people in their 30s and 40s and less dumb assholes that are too pretty in their 20s. Come on. I would like some cute 20 year olds, some 30 year olds. I really... Don't even watch. I'm not the gay guy for once. I'm not the gay guy. You want, you want Shelly smoking on a couch. Yeah. I loved that. I fucking loved that. She got hit. I ate that up. You know what other season? How does he tell? I like everybody hated that I thought was just so hilarious. It was the season that they did in the winter time. I loved the winter season where everybody was supposed to be matched up, like they were matching everybody up for a love connection, if you remember. I thought I'd have to have them lined up in jail afterwards. Oh my God. And it was that chick Sheila. Sheila. That was Sheila. And she was hooked up with that big cross-eyed troll who's in jail now. Yeah. Who won? Yeah. Like she was with the win. Oh my God. That season was amazing. Like as much as he made me crazy on the show, that was an amazing season. And by the way, if you guys are fans and you don't follow Evil Dick on Twitter, you are missing some hilarious shit. I hate him. I hate him. I love him on Twitter. He's so trashy and vile and we'll call anybody out. It is hilarious. He still mocks Andy, which is hilarious. He goes after him like every day, horrible names. And he goes after- Andy from last year- What was her name? Kamika. Yeah. Jamika. Jamika. Jamika with a clapping. Oh my God. He goes after these people every day and it is hilarious and the people who follow him are just like him. Well, you know. And it's good Twitter-y. Well, you know, my friend Sylvia, she- Evil Dick used to live directly across the hall from her. And if you- some of you, well, pretty much all of you don't know who my friend is, but for those of you who do know, you cannot imagine a contrast in personalities like Evil Dick and Sylvia. Yeah. So he's like the epitome of class. Yeah. I'd like the idea. Like, she would tell stories and she'd be like, "I came home and he was just there trying to shove trash bags into the chute as if he'd never even operated one before. I'm just like, "Jesus, what has happened?" And then I think there was one time when like- I think she- the thing is, Sylvia represents everything that Evil Dick would hate because she- she doesn't- he doesn't get a rise out of her or he didn't when he lived there. She was just completely disdainful to him. So I think there was one time when they like ran into- ran into each other in the hallway and he's like- he's like, "Hi!" And she was like, "Must you be always smoking cigarettes or something like that?" Something like that. And it just walked into her apartment. And he doesn't know that Evil Dick hated that because he couldn't get a rise out of her, he just was like- she was like, "All the people he grew up with instead." No, Evil Dick. No. I love him. That's why I love her. Yeah, he's pretty funny. All right. Let us wrap this day up, shall we? Yes. Let me have some lunch. Thank you guys. I had the best time. There is nobody that is more passionate about the Real Housewives of Orange County than myself and I could not have missed the finale without talking to you guys. Yeah, it was so fun talking to you. Soup's fun. I miss you. I miss you and your Chinese whispers. Yeah. Oh, Matthew, we should do this in real life or the Chinese people would say it. I have a lot of- I think dang dang dang dang dang. I'm never going to dance again. Chinese whispers got me moving. 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