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Actually I've learned that gluten causes depression, so probably the pretzels cause for my tears. I don't know, I feel really happy whenever I have a bagel, so I don't know about that. But Ronnie, it can be found at trashtalktv.com where he does all sorts of hilarious recaps and videos and cool stuff. But he can also be found at trashtalktv on, I'm sorry, trashtweettv on Twitter, I'm @bsideblog. And in case you're wondering what that strange female voice was in the background, that's our special guest of the day, the returning and wonderful Katie Kazorla, hi Katie. Woo! Oh my God, I love you. Yeah, yeah, Katie. Yeah, Katie. Katie can be found online at The Painted Nail. And she has this great TV show called The Nail Files, which is on TVGN. And she's just an all around great person, aren't she, Katie? You know what, I try my best, I really do. So now for those of you guys who have not heard Katie on this show before, she happens to have this wonderful boyfriend who is like a massive producer, music producer to the stars. And every time we talk with Katie, there's always something crazy going on like, she says something like, oh, this microphone was just being used by Barbara Streisand last week, something like that. So this week, we currently are in the midst of, to me, a huge star. And Katie, would you care to elaborate on who is just nearby in your house? Well, you know, I was told to go get some headphones to do the podcast. And I went to go get my normal headphones and I couldn't use them because we have a fabulous celebrity working with Walter by the name of Richard Mark. Hold on to the night. That is using the headphones. Hold on to the headphones. I know, you know what, I'm not going to lie, he looks amazing. He's in like the best shape of like anyone. And he makes me not want to eat carbs. Listen, if Richard Marks happens to walk by while we're doing this podcast, just give him like some sort of sign and tell him to just come just hop right on in. Oh my God, that would be amazing. I mean, you never know who shows up at this household. Let me tell you that. You know what, if we can say special guest Richard Marks on the Watch Our Crap and Podcast, I think that we would have reached an apex for podcasting. I mean, I feel like you guys really should. We should do like a pop podcast where we don't tell people and then we're like, Hey, come in here and talk to us. And they don't really know that they're on the podcast. I actually did that once with my other podcast, Bantar, when it was Bantar with Ben and Lisa. There was one time where I got invited to do a press junket with Michael Ealy, like a phone press junket. So I basically asked him some question over the phone and then splice it into our podcast as if we were interviewing him right then and there. So he was on our podcast and realized it. Oh my God, so you tricked him. Yeah, basically. Well, one time, Joe Zarin came onto our podcast and I secretly recorded stuff that she said was off the record. Yeah, but then Ronnie's, but then Ronnie's computer was stolen and now all that footage is gone. You know what? I wonder what it is. Let me see. We just think, what do you mean? Wait, do we already discussed this in a podcast already? No, not yet. Okay, so what his computer was stolen when? Uh, summer, right? In the summer. Ronnie left it in his car. Oh, idiot. Yeah, I know. Right. But it was under the seat. And it was right in front of my house. I think that somebody I gave a ride to that day stole it, but whatever. Wait a second. What kind of car do you drive? Uh, yeah. Oh my God, you do. Those cars are so cute. I know. Big man, tiny car. Okay, let's talk about. Yeah, let's say let's get to Bravo. This is ridiculous. Okay, so we actually have a huge amount to discuss. I know. We're sitting here talking about my stupid car. I know. Well, it's cute. It's my fault. I got us on the Richard Marks tangent. Thanks a lot. Oh, I should have known better. These are just the hazards of podcasting with me. Listen, hold on to the memories of shorter podcasts. Hold on to tonight. Okay, I know that the audience is right here waiting for us to get to Bravo. Let's do this. Oh, God. Okay, well, it was just a cluster park of a week, basically. We started with the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, the big takedown of Lisa, which was impossible because all they said would do was be like, oh, I keep trying to walk away from it and would not get into. Darling, darling. I've talked about this so much. Darling. Oh, this again. Darling. Darling. This is exhausting. Are you guys not Team Lisa? Yeah, we are. That was us saying that we're Team Lisa. Yes. Yeah. This is so fucking above it all that she didn't even bother to iron her wig. Did you notice that she had, like, her hair put up behind her wig and it made her hair look like a rectangle? She had a rectangle head. She did not. She did not even bring herself to get that shit padded down. Oh, my God. I did not. I love, I love Ken and Lisa. I really think that everyone is jealous of them. Yes. And that's why they act away. Oh, my God. P.S. I saw Joyce at Ralph's in Studio City. Oh, really? Yeah. And she's skinnier in person, whether you can believe that or not. Wow. Yes. She's skinnier in person. And she had an assistant with her. She was full hair and makeup at Ralph's grocery shopping with an assistant to get stuff and put it in her car. I'm not kidding. Was that like the queen of the universe who was throwing the hot pockets in the cart? You know, in all fairness, I'm the queen of nails. It was two queens up in Ralph's and I'm not talking about what's Hollywood. So this is just, I couldn't believe it. Walter saw her and pointed it out. He was like, oh, my God. That's Joyce from Real House. The housewives. They're just like us. And she had like all that shit in her car too. Like life and style us weekly. Oh, my God. Don't, don't, don't, don't tell Kyle. Don't tell Kyle that she had tabloids. I was like, I heard you read something. You're out. I heard you had tabloids in your car. Yeah. What is, what is that about? And by the way, can we just discuss that, the thing about the tabloids? Yeah, actually. So I would like to hear it because, you know, Ronnie and I have now been talking about this tabloid situation for about two weeks now. We are firmly team Lisa. We think that the tabloid situation is crazy. We think that even if Lisa had encouraged putting tabloids in the bag, it's not that big of a deal because maybe she wanted to read the tabloids. She was concerned that her name came up in it or maybe she wanted to have fun with it. But we don't believe that even happened. But where do you stand on it, Katie? Well, I'm going to just put it out there. I don't think Lisa had time to go through all of those, those tabloids and know which ones had the stuff about Mauricio and Kyle Richards in it. I think this had them on the cover. Oh, it was on the cover? I think so. Okay. Here's the thing. Well, it was at Brandi's house. Brandi showed her that Brandi showed her the magazine. Exactly. So Brandi is the instigator of this, yet she's turning it against Lisa. Lisa didn't bring the tabloids over and go, "Oh my God, look at this. We should bring this to Palm Springs." Yeah. Brandi, Fatmouth Gross Brandi is the one that said it to Lisa and now it was throwing Lisa under the bus. And meanwhile, meanwhile, I'd also like to point out that I believe it was at, was it at this lunch or was it at, was that Palm Springs? Right. Wasn't it Yolanda who brought up, who confronted Kyle about this stuff or was it at Carlton's house? No, it was Brandi. It was at Carlton's house and Brandi didn't say it exactly. She just hinted at it, like all this stuff that's in the tabloids. And then Kyle almost started crying. And then Lisa was like, "Oh, darling, it's, you know, it's a bunch of crap." They were just, you know, they're all full of crap. And then Yolanda was like, "Yeah, but you know what they're saying?" Sometimes when things are smokey, you know, there's things that's smoking. And Lisa was like, "No, darling. It's like when they smoke their fire." And she was like, "Yeah." And now they're trying to make it sound like Lisa was saying there's no smoke without fire, which. Well, but, but, but it wasn't, but didn't this whole issue? Didn't it come up also in Palm Springs? Didn't the, the tabloids come up with Palm Springs too? Wasn't Kyle confronting that? I don't, I can't keep it straight. No, I don't think anything about the tabloids came up in Palm Springs. Palm Springs was simply the Yoast, Jacqueline argument. And then also Kim too, right? Well, it's confusing because they've bravo first. Okay. There's like conspiracy theories online, which to me is hilarious. Like, "Wait, what do you mean?" There's all these, there's, I mean, I love a good conspiracy theory. Like, I'll go on Alex Jones just to read like 9/11 stuff or like, if everyone from the university does up, you know, like how Obama's like secretly doing it because he's, you know, he's really Iraqi or whatever. So I love me a good Alex Jones conspiracy theory. And I cannot wait till Alex Jones hears about the real house. Well, this is a Beverly Hills because people are going airship. And basically they're saying that they were not expecting all this backlash on Brandi and they're trying to make her look good and they stopped all the commenting this week because the comments have gotten so bad against Yolanda and Brandi and Kim. I mean, they really aren't mean. People are like, okay. The comments on the Bravo TV blogs 'cause every bitches make a blog and then people come on and write comments to them. And Lisa has like 500 that are like, "You're the queen!" And then everyone else is like, "You're a bitch." You know, they hate everybody else because they're starting all this shit with Lisa. And this week they just turned off the comment. So it stopped like half a day because they were just so against everybody. And then Bravo had Brandi on "What Do It Happens?" Which I'll talk about in a little. Oh, I keep on it. I keep on it. To try and make her look good. And she just looked even worse than ever. And she's been coming out or something. Is that why they're like so pro Brandi? No, but they also cut a lot of scenes out that we were supposed to see. It's like they did a Russell edit for the season, which was really weird because they cut the scene with Brandi that they've showed a million times with Brandi saying, "You're the greatest Chuck player of all time. Well, I just check mated you bitch." Yeah. What happened to that? And they cut out a part that was in Palm Springs, which is why I'm rambling on about this, where it was sitting with Yolanda on a couch saying, "Oh, you really think that she's blackmailing Kim? You really think she's blackmailing Kylan Mauricio?" Like, of course, referring to Lisa accusing her of blackmailing all this shit. So whatever really went on on that show was way worse coming from Brandi. And they edited it out to make her look better. So you think that the accusation is more than just the tabloids? Yes, I think that she was saying that Lisa was somehow blackmailing Kylan, blah, blah, blah. And then that fight that we saw in the season finale with Brandi drunkenly and embarrassingly telling off Lisa for no reason, that was so bad that Brandi was screaming at her and saying, "I just check mated you bitch." Oh my God. Put it out to make Brandi look less fucking pathetic. Oh my God. I think it's actually hilarious that Lisa still, it seems like everyone that I've spoken to is totally on Lisa's side. Lisa has definitely made mistakes. And I think that it is a little fucked up how she has forced Brandi and Sheena to have to come face to face more often than once, which is a little shady to do to a friend. Here's the thing, she didn't work there before she knew about that shit. No, I know, I agree. Listen, I think that Brandi's accusations are a little over the top because I think that who cares if Sheena works for Lisa and who cares if Lisa knew about it or not? I think though having to sit down conversations that are a little annoying for someone who probably had to go through that. But that's not the worst in the world. Here's where I, can you hear me? Yeah. Okay, here's where I stand on this whole Sheena thing. This is all bullshit because this is how Brandi got on the show in the first place. Okay? Here's what happened. When Sir opened, it had already been opened, but whatever. When it opened on the show, when they had the opening party, it was in season two. At the very end, yeah. So the first time we ever saw Brandi, she showed up with Cedric the Leach. Okay? Oh my God, I loved him. The producers were trying to get Brandi on the show as a villain to go against Lisa as a friend of Cedric's, right? Yeah. Sort of this finale party because they know that Sheena works there. Brandi knows that Sheena works there because, of course, she knows where this slut's going to be. You're going to look at this bitches Facebook page. That's true. That's very true. We know this. Hired Sheena. She already knows that Sheena is a part of Sir. She already knows all of this going in when the producers are trying to bring her in, which means she was brought in to be a villain against Lisa in the first place. She was, exactly. Autumn with Cedric, but Lisa would not have any of that foolishness and immediately kick Cedric out, which killed her storyline. So the next season they bring her in and say she's a friend of Adrian Malus and try and pretend that she was never on the show before. So then, watch Adrian Malus, and someone tells Lisa about her being friends with Cedric. So Lisa doesn't trust her, but then everybody is so mean to poor Brandi that Lisa feels bad for her and be friends her. So Brandi can't go against her because Lisa is the only person keeping her on the show at this point. So finally, Brandi gets some popularity due to Lisa keeping her on the show. This bitch would not even have a job or a life without Lisa. And then the original plan of being Lisa's enemy, and she still has nothing on the bitch. So I think if anybody's manipulative, it's Brandi and that shit is way sicker than anything she's accused Lisa of, because this was some poor bitch sitting at home, shopping at Walmart in Costco, not able to see it plotting a way to take down the lady. I mean, that's, that's like a Sydney show. That's a Sydney show novel. I could not have said that any better. That was so well articulated. I hope that Lisa Vanderpump hears this and disseminates it wildly throughout the internet because that is the best defense of Lisa I've heard so far. You are for this. I'm sorry. I'll do an old lady, but you know what I mean. I don't think it's just an old lady. I actually look sad. I'm saying compared to Brandi. You know what I mean? Well, Brandi ain't no spring chicken either. So, you know, I mean, she's what, 40? 41, I think. Oh, okay. Big fucking deal. And Lisa's what, like 50? 53. Okay. Oh my God. They're not even, they're like 10 years apart. Big deal. Well, I'm pushing 40 and Lisa's older than me, and I would respect that. I wouldn't go fight with Lisa. This would fight with Ben. You know what I mean? Like, I would feel much freer to say, to say shit. I wouldn't be fighting with an old man. Like, you're a lot of starting shit with Ken and Trent. Like, you're really trying to start a fight with an old man. You know? Isn't there like a hospice that you can go use batting cage? Like, are you? And down. Come on. I just think of the whole thing that Brandi is now. I think there's so many holes in this story. And this storyline, and Lisa's not having it because she has legit businesses and a real life. That she's not looking to sell another ridiculous book written by a ghostwriter. She is really an established woman with established businesses and a following and staff and a lot of money invested in things. So she can't, she can't look bad. I don't think she really did anything wrong. I think it's all Brandi was really, really, really pressed to do a lot of things. And now it's all blowing up in Brandi's face, but Bravo doesn't want that to be known. So that's why they really changed all this shit around. It didn't even have a reason. I mean, this was what was so funny. For the whole season, we didn't know why Brandi was mad. Because she'd come up with a reason. She was just mad. Like first Lisa. She's mothering me. Lisa was mothering her then. So was ignoring her. And then Lisa, I mean, what was the other thing that she, I mean, it was just bullshit. And she didn't even come up with this Sheena thing until three weeks ago. And that's probably when the season started airing and she replies how stupid she looks because everybody started attacking her on Twitter. She tried to come up with something. I mean, that woman's just sad. She's sad. Yeah, I think Lisa is clearly the winner here. And it really bothers me how all the women, Katie, you touched on it before. I think there is some serious jealousy and some resentment. By the fact that the audience loves Lisa. And people are always saying like, no matter what she does, like she always finds, she always has her way. And we said this, I think last week, she gets her way not because she is some evil mastermind who like has some strange blackmail evidence on Andy Cohen and Bravo. She gets her way because the audience likes her. The audience likes the way that she handles herself. They like her jokes. They like the way she defends herself. They just like everything about her. And so when you try to take down someone that the audience doesn't like, the audience is going to jump to her defense. There's no magic behind it. There's no crazy scheme that Lisa is doing to make us like her. She's just a person that's likable to an audience. And she's hilarious. Look, there's a reason we haven't been sued for slander yet. Because we make jokes out of it. Lisa can say whatever the hell she wants because it's really funny. You know, the other ladies just aren't fine. I mean, Kyle is dumb is a box of chocolate. I mean, seriously, don't insult the box of chocolate girl. I mean, she really is. My thing with Kyle is that Kyle didn't do anything. Yolanda didn't do anything. Brandi certainly didn't do anything. All of these women had nothing going on. Adrian Maloof had something going on, at least where she, I know you guys are not for Adrian Maloof. But at least she had her, her hand and a lot of different things. Yes. I mean, I'm so jealous that these other like people like Lisa are actually working and have a life and have established themselves. Whether it was from money or not, it doesn't matter. They're doing shit. Here's the thing also, you know, Lisa, she's not like some angel. You know, she does like to needle them a little bit. Like she likes to, I think she does find entertainment out of watching them squirm. And she does say things that cross the line here and there. And I think that probably one thing that pisses off these women is that they couldn't figure it out. Well, that Lisa is so popular and yet what they see of Lisa is this woman who sort of is always giving them these little slights. And that probably really frustrates them and infuriates them to have America saying how much they love Lisa, to have what a magazine or what website just yesterday. I think it was not some website yesterday came at a list of every single real house I've ranked them and Lisa was number one. And she's always at the top of every ranking that the fact that she is universally loved, she gets a spin off. And yet these women are like, how can they like her so much? She always makes these little digs. So now they've had to concoct a whole big story about why she's awful and she's a puppeteer and she's making everyone do their dirty, her dirty work. But I'm like, what is the dirty work? What is the endgame here? What is Lisa trying to do? If this is all true? Lisa's just a smart player and she does do. I mean, I think you're right that she's done a lot of what she's being accused of. I just don't think it's evil. Like, for example, I think that on the season she had heard Kyle talking a lot of shit about her right after she had been standing up for Kyle. Even against Brandy and being mean to Brandy, at least who kind of rude to Brandy at first because Kyle told her to be. Then she finds out that Kyle's saying all this mean stuff after she's been a good friend. So what's Kyle, what is she going to do? She's going to befriend the girl that's, you know, she's going to befriend the girl because she knows she'll get Kyle's ass. Which, I mean, that's just smart playing. I don't see anything wrong with that. Well, but also these women do ascribe certain behavior, certain, they basically say that Lisa's being crazy manipulative and sneaky and a chess player over what I think is actually fairly logical and benign behavior. So, for instance, after this whole Puerto Rico fiasco, so Lisa goes home and she talks, she tells Carlton about it. And now they're like, "Oh, that's what she's gathering people. She's gathering people for her army because we've turned against her, so now she's going to gather them." Well, you know, no shit Sherlock. It's not as like, I don't think it's as crazy as building an army, it's that you guys all attacked her. So she's going to go to the one person who didn't attack her and be like, "Guess what happened? They all attacked me. That's a normal thing to do." Well, it's not only the only person that didn't attack her, it's the only person that wasn't in the other scene. Like, she had to talk to the only other cast members who was left, like, "Who the hell's she going to talk to, brother?" And she's not going to let her call Dionne Warwick a bitch about it. She was, she was, I wish she had, but she's like, "Yeah, do you have fun?" Yeah, you have fun. She said that on the Prentice. She did. But it's like, but you know what I'm saying? It's like, they are, they're ascribed, they're adding all these qualities to Lisa. They're reading into things so much because they want there to be some drama. They want this idea of Lisa being the master manipulator to be true, but in fact, Lisa was just doing what I think anyone would have done that situation, which was, you know what, I was ganged up upon, so I left, and then I went, you know, to, and I told Carlton about it because I had to vent, you know, and, and I want someone on my side. I think it's okay. I mean, what did Brandi do when she started to feel isolated by Lisa? She went to Kyle, okay? What did, what did everyone, everyone, everyone switched sides all the time? It's called real life. That's what people do. They go to who's on their side, who's helping the amount, blah, blah, blah. They vent, they talk about their problems, they do, that's real life. And the funny thing is, is that every single one of those women has done that. And I love how it's like, oh, well, Ken says they're all ganging up on her, and it was meant to happen like that. He's right. That's what those women do. They find the weakest one at the time, and they all get together, and they go, you did this, and you did that. They did it to Brandi at Kyle's house. Do you remember that? Oh, of course. Yeah. Kyle and Ken are the worst human beings ever. They are so fucking disgusting. They're right up with Brandi right now after being so mean to Brandi. I mean, they were really mean to Brandi. They were so docked. They're all like a slut and a whore, and all these awful things, and it's like, are you kidding me right now? And now it's the besties. And now, and that's also like, it also sort of should be Brandi. Like, have some self respect. Don't hang with these people that called you all those nasty things. And on top of that, remember the very first episode of the season, there was all this talk that Kyle was on the outs because she pissed off. Yolanda, she pissed off Lisa, et cetera, et cetera. So Kyle was kissing up to Joyce and to Carlton at that, at the party at her house, and everyone was like, oh, Kyle's just collecting, collecting people for her side. So it's like, you people, like, just, like, why is it okay for Kyle? I don't know. It's not. And Kyle, just the point is that they're so hypocritical on the way they launched their attacks. They are. And Kyle actually, like, if you really didn't look into it too deeply, Kyle sounds kind of believable, and she seems, I mean, she's a much better actress in reality shows than she is on TV. I'll give her that. Yeah, because these are crazy sister. You know, you really have to, like, think about the facts to realize what Kyle is talking about. Hey, yes. Did anybody think that Kyle's or Kim's ex-husband was, like, really good looking? Yeah, it's crazy. I think that Beverly Hills actually forced them to get divorced because he was so out of her league. Yeah, I think they were like, I think actually, Mauricio, Mauricio probably was like, oh, no, you can't be on the show because I have to be the hottest husband. Like, you have to be off. Yeah, I mean, he was like, so I need to. But he showed up. We were all like, Oh my God, is that her ex-husband? Yeah. Is he Mary? Do we know? Does anyone know? Yeah, I think he's remarried. I think they showed his wife at the some graduation party or something. Yeah, I think so. So let us turn to Yolanda Foster. Here's one of my favorite things to come out of this in the Bravo blogs, which I don't know why I have not been reading these since the beginning of time because they're fucking hilarious. And actually, at the beginning of the time, I wish they had the Bravo blogs. Yeah. But, um, Joyce, Joyce. Sorry, go on. Like, I want to hear Eve's take on shit. She's like, can you believe that shit God pulled on me? I mean, it wasn't my fault that Snake offered me an apple. First of all, I want to thank my supporters. I too love apples, and I think that we all should be entitled to eat apples whenever we want. Here we go with God accusing me of things again. It's always the woman's fault. So Joyce was saying in her Bravo blog that after that, well, first of all, Ken never even touched Yolanda. He was like turning the point at her because he was getting mad at her. And she slapped his hand and acted like he punched her in the face. Yeah. And then after he left, which had the best line of the evening, she's like, he's like, you're stupid. Yeah. I'm not stupid Ken. I'm an intelligent woman. He's like, you're not that intelligent, which is right. Oh, God. Yolanda walks around the party telling everybody that can basically be heard. She can't be that a man would put his hands on a woman in public. Oh, it's like that remote singer from last season when she was like, he grabbed, he abused me at a fundraiser for abused... At least, it's like fuck off. At least that guy, at least George actually put his hand on her arm and like pulled it in one direction. At least, at least there was that. Well, if you touched me, I can't believe you're doing this. This is for abusive women. You have to go. This is ridiculous. Hands off. You were like completely out of your mind, completely out of your mind. Oh, she's coming up next. Yes. Oh, my God. I feel like I do a pretty stellar Ramona singer, so I'm excited about this. Okay. So done with Beverly Hills? No, no. We have some about Yolanda. Oh, no. I can't but not believe that I now hate Kim. I'm not kind of Kim. Kim. You know, fuck off Kim. The amazing amount of goodwill that that woman has had to just piss it off all the way just to be a bitch for no reason. I know. And what she's doing. And then her argument to Kyle when Kyle's like, "Well, I can't believe Lisa's not meaning me." And Kim's like, "Listen, here's all Lisa." So all Lisa has is a husband who loves her, a business, and great kids who loves her. And that's it. Like, that sounds awful. Like, shame on her for only caring about, for putting her husband, her daughter, and her business before all her fakes. Oh, this were all your fucking gross disgusting drama. Shame on her. She's a wretched woman. No, I can't believe she's not a drop. No, but can I just tell you something? Every single time. And proof is, remember when Lisa was waiting with Ken to go to some event they were showing up? Oh, Carlton's thing or whatever. And Kim comes strolling in late. Yeah. And she was like, "Oh, yeah, you guys can. You've asked me what's going on." Yeah. Like, what does she even, she doesn't even have a drunken bobble bobbling leg to stand on for a comment like that. It honestly was disgusting for me. It really was. And she just kept it going. She's like, "Ah, y'all mind going to the air party?" And then, and not only that, she had just missed one of their parties. Haven't she? Or was that after? No. What was that party that they had that she didn't show up? Marisa's birthday party made? Was she at that? I don't remember. But some party that Kim had just... No, she came. She came. There was something... You're right. There was some party that she missed. Doesn't matter. She did not go to Pandora's wedding. And meanwhile, they had already told her that she did. They weren't going to go to the graduation party. And they sent a gift. So Kim has to shut her mouth. Like, it's ridiculous. He said, Ken said, "We RS free-pede and told you we weren't going to be able to make it." She's like, "Well, you guys flew back that night." And it's like, it doesn't matter after traveling all day. They can do whatever they want. Why do they have to answer stupid fucking Kim Richards? They sent a beautiful gift. They did exactly what they said they were going to do. And how could they compare some dumb little high school graduation party to a wedding that they were invited to? Kim. I'm not allowed to see that. Kim was drinking now. I can't hear. I was sick. It's like Kim. Alcoholism is not cancer, okay? People do not send you fucking flowers for having it. Yeah, and besides, any good alcoholic knows to go to a wedding because it's open bar. Yeah, open bar motherfuckers. I would go to a wedding of a guy that I loved my whole life. He just dumped me and then decided to invite me to his wedding of a new fiancé a week later. I'd be like, "Open bar." Yeah. Because you know that like, Bravo had arranged a car for her to go and everything. Like, I'm sorry. Saying that you were drunk at that time is actually the worst excuse. If you were drunk, you're like, "Hell yeah, wedding. More drunkenness and hors d'oeuvres." Yeah. She compared the missing of those guys to her daughter's high school graduation party to her missing. Well, that's why I didn't come. No, it's not. You were an alcoholic drug addict. Scarfing down pills for lunch. And you're going to compare that to Lisa who was traveling for work who came back. For charity. Actually, kids with cancer or something. You know what? I think I've just realized there's a massive hole in Kim's logic here. Shockingly. Shockingly. No, no, no. Listen to this. No, listen. I just realized because when Ken made the remark in Lisa's backyard to Kim about like, "Well, you've missed a lot of events," you know, that was a reference to the wedding, I'm sure. And Kim took offense to that because she's like, "That was a dig at the fact that I was drunk." And because I was drunk, I missed a lot of events. However, later on when Ken asked Kim why she didn't come to the wedding, she said, "Well, I was moving." So if she was moving, then she's not allowed to get offended at the original remark saying that was about getting drunk because she technically wasn't drunk when she was-- Well, but that's what she's saying. Because she has two different excuses. But she's never said, I don't think she ever actually said that it's because she had a problem. Her thing has always been because I was moving, but that means because I was drunk. You know what I mean? I wish I could use that excuse. But everybody knew that at the time. So she's never said I was drunk and that's why I didn't go and how dare you make fun of me when I had a problem. Her excuse has always been I was moving, but that's because that was code for Kim being drunk. So she's saying, "Oh, when he's saying, 'Oh, you were moving,' when he's doing that," which he was. He was talking about-- I feel like moving into rehab. Is that what she meant? No, she missed it because she was too drunk and she told everybody it was the weekend she was moving. So that was her code that season for not showing up because she hadn't admitted that she was an alcoholic yet. So she had an excuse for everything and that was her excuse that week. So when she said, "I was moving, Ken," and he's like, "Oh, you were moving, you were moving." He was saying, "Oh, really?" Well, she shouldn't be using that excuse anymore, though, because now she's sober and she's supposed to be like out with like excuses. And when you go through that program, okay, living in LA, we know a lot of people that have gone through that program. Yeah, we'll probably go through it sooner or later. Okay, that's the thing. When you are going through that program, the first step is to apologize. Exactly. We said, we've actually, yes. You know what I'm saying? She shouldn't be there going, "How could you, Ken?" It's like, "How could you? How could you, you crazy fucking alcoholic?" That's the whole point. You're not recognizing what you did done. People are always going to believe you because you were at fault. That's the first step. Exactly. That's something we've mentioned many times, Katie, on the show, which is that Kim's being a terrible, like recovering alcoholic, that she's not taking any responsibility. She's not accepting the fact that people may be mad at her for her decisions that she made when she was drunk. That's why I don't believe that she's recovered at all. Because she still has... I don't think so either, you guys. I really don't. Every alcoholic that you'll meet, and I know plenty of them in my own... Tell me all. The victim about it, and if they will be so mean and do such horrible things, but when you call them a drunk, they start sobbing. It's like when you punch a bully, how they start crying. Yes. Because they were abused or something. That's how fucking alcoholics are when they're still drinking. And Brandy did it, too, when someone called her a drunk. She got all upset. Remember, Taylor used to do that, too, when Kim wanted to talk to her about being an alcoholic. She got super defensive, then started crying, then was like, "You know what? I've been going through X, Y, and Z, and you would do the same." And it all turns into this worm downward spiral, and it's like... You've got to take responsibility for what you did, whether it's drugs or drinking or whatever. You don't know how you hurt people when you were moving. Yeah. So you just accept it, apologize, and move on and stop and feel guilty. Yeah, only. It's not everyone else's fault that you're an alcoholic. Oh. And no one... I know that I sound like I'm always being terrible to alcoholics, but my thing is, it's not that big of a deal. I mean, everybody's an alcoholic. You know what? Actually, this is the thing. I can't be classified as an alcoholic because sometimes I work hard all day long. I'm so exhausted, all I can think about is coming home, getting on the couch, watching DVR reality TV with a nice big glass of Merlot. So for me, does that make me an alcoholic? I'm relying on something to alter my mood to make me feel better. Technically, yes I am, but I feel like am I out of control? Do I wake up in the morning and drink mouthwash? I mean, no, I definitely... That's how I feel about when I do heroin, so I'm totally with you on that. But even if you did, even if you got way out of control and you did become an alcoholic and you did go get help and all of that, I feel like you'd be like, yeah, I was an alcoholic and I got help and, you know, you wouldn't be a big fucking victim about it. You would just own it and probably make jokes about it. When you play the victim, actually, it means you're not in recovery. Yeah, absolutely. Now speaking of alcoholics, I want to talk about something that Brandi was doing on this season finale, which really annoyed me. It was a small thing, but what really pissed me off is that she would launch these, you know, she's been launching these hate campaigns against Lisa, but then she kept on wrapping them up in this bow of faux sincerity where she would say something like, you know, I mean, I love her so much. I love Ken so much. I love Lisa so much. But I think that's why I'm so upset because there's so much love here, and she keeps saying over and over again how much she loves them. But the truth is, I don't think she loves them at all, and I really, really... Don't you hate that when someone does that, when they go to assassinate your character, but it's under the guise of caring about them so much. And also, what the problem is with me of that is that you know that that was recorded after the season, because you can always tell, they always go do, they always go do another one at the end when they start seeing the episodes, and she knows everybody's turning against her, and so now that's what she's doing to try and save herself. And it's like, bitch, they can edit out whatever scenes that they want to, but we've already seen them on the internet, right? And everything you've done that has been shown is so gross that there's no saving you. There is no saving you, like commit to it. Just be a bitch. Oh, what are you, a black person? Okay, you can't take that back. Well, I have black friends. It doesn't matter. It's insulting. And notice that she showed up at the finale with the black guy, just to shut everybody up, because the episodes have already started airing. It's like, you're so transparent, lady. She really is. And can I just tell you something about what you guys were just saying? When you say, when someone goes, "Oh my God, you know what? I love you so much. I'm only doing this because I don't understand. I love you and I care about you," and then they throw you under the box. So I'm going through that situation now. We had really, really amazing good friends, gave them access to our lives, helped them with everything, whatever. And now, all of a sudden, out of the blue, it's like the person wants to attack your character, use things against you that you can fight it in them. Just try to tear your life apart. Katie, Katie, this is not nice of you to bring up to me, okay? I just love you so much. That's where it's all coming from. Ben and Barbara Streisand did not need to hurt your feelings. They were just coming from a place of love. She gave me that chocolate bar because she actually did this. You saw it. Here's the thing. No, it really is happening. I mean, this was someone who we try to help and really make their lives better, help their daughter break into, you know, the music industry, have him do my website and help me with certain things. And then all of a sudden, it turns into, well, now I own Katie, because Orla.com. And now I own the painted nail and I do. And it's like, Oh my God. Oh Jesus. It turns from, I love you into complete psycho crazy. And it's like, you have to realize in life, people who are totally real, like Carl Tin, and I honestly believe she is really that way. She says the F word. She is, you know, crazy as this crazy does. And there's going to be no surprises with her because she puts it all out there. And on top of that, she's also able to, she can anticipate things through her dreams. She knows. She, in fact, if you, if you had talked to her, Carlton, she would have been like, Katie, I had a dream about your friend. And they were talking shit about you. Who does that? No, I had a dream. But these various came down and they said, don't work with digital welders and don't have them do your website because they're going to terrorize you a year and a half from now. I would have been like, you're fucking crazy. But maybe, maybe I would have just listened a little bit. So what the hell? I just feel like people that do that are so disgusting because I've been in that situation. We all have where we trust someone. They're our friend. You confide in them. And then you start doing better than them and they turn. And now it's like, you're a bitch and you're this, but I love you. You fucking don't. You're a manipulative user. Well, Kyle Richards should have really, before she let this whole tabloid situation get out of hand, she should have taken a moment to really think about the source. She should have thought to herself, okay, Brandi is telling me this. Brandi has a tendency to exaggerate. Even if it did happen, there's a chance that Brandi misinterpreted something or exaggerated a motivation. Like, let me think about this because I've known Lisa a lot longer and I've had a better friendship with Lisa and we're on the rise. So maybe I can get to the bottom of this. But instead, you know, Kyle and Kim and all of them, they just were happy to let it explode in everyone's faces. Because it's not on them anymore. That's the thing. When someone's actually guilty of doing something, they'll create a diversion. So it's like, oh, well, see what she did and see what she, and they all gang up because they're guilty of doing a bunch of shit too. Yeah, like they haven't been sitting there all season trying to plan against somebody and take her down. How was that not talking behind somebody's back? And also what you were saying about somebody using stuff that you told them in private? I have no doubt that Lisa probably said, oh, there's magazines, it's taken darling. Like, that's totally Lisa to say that. She would never mean it and she would never actually do it because she's not a horrible person. But when she thinks that you're one of her best friends, it doesn't surprise me that an off-camera that she would make a joke that Brandy is now trying to use against her. Well, listen, I don't even think there was, I don't think it happened because as I said in a previous podcast, if it really did happen, the very first thing Lisa would have said was, oh darling, that was a joke. Come on now. She did. She would have, yeah, that would have been the first thing she would have said if it had happened. And so, and the fact that she didn't even say it was a joke, she said, I didn't even see them until afterwards, it makes me think that it never happened. That's my logic on it. And here's the thing, did we actually see that happen? Was it on camera? No, but then I have a friend who has a theory that there were probably cameras there because the cameras are always going to be filming the women before they leave. And Lisa wouldn't have done something like that in front of the camera. Yeah, Lisa's too smart. Well, Ben posted an article from Yahoo about that, obviously, on our Facebook page, Facebook.com forward slash Watch for Crapins, you guys should all like it. I love that you wrote a lot of info from a source, a.k.a. Kyle Richards, because it is so written by Kyle Richards. Yeah, the whole article is like, all call the tabloids and start complaining about each other to get ahead. They all do it. But this one is saying, oh, well, the headline is Lisa Vanderpump scared of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion fallout, how fans will react because apparently they get Lisa to confess at this reunion. And she's afraid that everyone's going to turn against her. Confessed to what? Even if she confessed to anything that you guys have accused her of, it was nothing. You bitches are grasping at straws because you have no lives to film. Oh, God, you know what? You're right. And the thing is, is they don't want to not be on the show because once they're gone, that's it. You're like, you're a history. No one cares about you. No one can give a shit. What kind of crap makeup you're trying to sell or your new bad line or whatever it is. No one cares. So you have to stay relevant. But, but how, how can you stay relevant? Well, here you go. This is exactly what they're doing. So I want to tell you guys about Watch What Happens Live. Did you watch it? I didn't tell us. No, tell us. I just happened to record it on the old computer. I didn't mean to. I hate that show. But, um, they were in South by Southwest, which I think is hilarious because that's like a celebration of art. Yeah, and then Andy Cohen's there. Um, but, by the way, I love that Andy Cohen is still so terrible at his job that he can't even do the on air promo. You know when he's like, Hey, what, what happens is coming on at five minutes? And Randy Gled. And it cuts off because he still cannot do it. He cannot. It's like, it would not even make it on the next Food Network Star. And that's a terrible show. But anyway, they have Randy on and she was just in full on C word mode because at this point, they're just trying to make it make us like Brandy again. But I mean, if you need, if you're going to do that, you need to sew her mouth shut. So I'm going to read from an E article who actually wrote it all down. Okay. But one of the questions was, Hey, Brandy, people think feel like Lisa fed you. And then you turned on her and she went off and said, she didn't do anything for me. All she did was loan me address one time. That's her big thing. Oh, no. Okay. So that's where it starts. And then she says, Oh, I sat down with Sheena multiple times to promote her stupid show. And if anything, I said that bitch. That is what the bitch said. Yeah, by the way, people were not tuning in to watch Vanderpump Rules. Just be like, what's going to happen with the Sheena situation? People tune in because they like Lisa and Bravo kind of just like shoved it down a throat. It's like, Okay, I guess I'll watch this. And then it turns out that it was like the best like hate watching show of all time. So, of course, we're going to watch it. We're going to have way better readings than real houses. Yeah. And it's like the Sheena brandy drama is like the least interesting part about it. And so, for Brandy to think that she has somehow caused the success is so narcissistic and ridiculous. She just go to shut up mountain and flag at the top and kick Jules Aaron off him say this is my mountain now. Yes. Can you, honestly, you guys, can you seriously believe that she thinks she's somewhat responsible for the success of Vanderpump Rules? I don't know if she watched it, but she was like a tiny little blurb because it was a roll over for their crossover promotion of shows that had nothing if Brandy disappeared tomorrow. It wouldn't make a difference on Vanderpump Rules. It would not. In fact, every time that there's some sort of Sheena brandy moment on Beverly Hills, I'm always like, let's move on. I'm sick of this. Yeah, I watch the show to see Sheena either. So, it's not recent. I mean, Eddie, supposedly they, Eddie and Sheena were together when she was 20. I mean, she's almost 30 now. So, what was that 10 years ago that you're. That's why she was saying it's been over 10 years. She needs to fucking get over it. I mean, listen, again, I will say I understand that it's it's got to be still uncomfortable if like you are if you're brandy is still obviously torn up about this divorce. I understand that. And it does suck if you have to deal with your ex's mistress. You know, that that does suck. I'm sorry. It does suck. But at the same time, she does. I don't know. It's like she's putting too much weight to it. She's also she's also allowing it to to be a thing in her life way too much. I think she used she used that situation to gain everything she has right now. And she used that relationship with Sheena to get on the show in the first place. And she used that that that relationship with Sheena to write two books now. And she's used that situation for everything in her life. So now to turn it and make it seem like Lisa's a villain for putting Sheena in the situation. It's you put yourself in Sheena's trajectory. She's already going to be on a Bravo show. You were the one who stepped in on her day and are trying to take it over for yourself. And now you're not on Vanderpump rules. And so you're pissed off at Lisa. Go fuck yourself laning. Get out of here. Okay, so why don't we start moving to another city. Do you have any other final thoughts on Beverly Hills or these these yo-yos. No, I am done. And we've got a month left at this bullshit. We've got recap. I mean, reunions. Three reunions and of things we should have forgotten about. Yeah, here's the thing. I'm actually I actually love the reunions because the women had time to like let it marinate. Yeah. And then they really start firing into people about how they feel what's going on. And at the end of the day, it's like, wow, if you weren't disgusting enough when when that stuff happens, I call I would like to predict right now that Lisa is going to come off looking like a classy star and Randy's stupid mouth is going to get the best of her. And she's going to start saying things she regrets no matter how Bravo tries to bite it. Absolutely. I worry because on the previews, it looks like Lisa has chosen to come out swinging. Well, because she's getting attacked. Listen, the reason she stayed above the phrase so far is because she stayed above the phrase so far. I want her to stay there. Listen, she will, even when she comes out swinging, she will, I guarantee. I mean, look, Ken came out swinging in this past few episodes and we still like Ken. Oh my God, he is the best. I love that he is not going to take anybody's bullshit. He's like, we're done done with you. That's the thing. But I, that's how you know if someone's guilty or not guilty. When they don't want to stay and fuel the fire, Randy is the person that will sit there and go, whatever. Becky, you're a bitch. Becky, you know, like just mouthy and white trash at its finest. Yeah. And so the Richard sisters, they gave up. They know that whole tactic because it means more screen time. They know it. Lisa and Ken are like, no, goodbye. We're above this. That's exactly. And that's what adults do, by the way. Like if you're, if I think I mentioned this last week, if that were my parents, if my parents were on vacation with other couples or something like that, and then they all ganged up on them, my parents would be like, you know what? We're leaving. Like, that's it. We're leaving. Like, why would we stay for this? I'm not going to stay for this. I'm paying to be here. You know what? Goodbye. I wouldn't stick around for that, would you? When you get older, one thing, to some of our younger listeners who are like 20 or whatever, when you get older, it's true. When you get older, you put up with less and less bullshit in your life. And you just don't like to surround yourself with people that cause drama. When you're like 22 or 23, you do surround yourself with it, because then what happens is then you talk about it with all your friends for hours and hours and hours. And it's like super fun. You're like, can you believe that so and so said this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's what Kyle and Kim do. And they also have nothing else to talk about. But when you get older, like even as, even as when you get hit 30, you start to really cut people away. And surely by the time you get to 50, you know, it's sort of like what what Kim said. Generally, I feel like most people who are in their fifties who have like families, their family is really all that they care about and they see people and they have friends. But if someone acts like an asshole, yep, they don't care. Goodbye. You guys, Lisa has $65 million dollars. Do you think that she gives a rat? I mean, she's there to get even more money by promoting her shows. How do you think? Here is the least pressing question in all of American society right now. How do you think this beef with Yolanda is going to affect Lisa's relationship with Mohammed? Oh, good. Well, I can tell you how it's going to affect her relationship with David Foster. His ass will be running any day now because he's probably mortified at how stupid Yolanda looks in public right now. He hasn't seen this side of Yolanda because Yolanda, he has a prenup with that bitch. So she has had to kiss his ass and make dinner and pretend that she's subservient and talk about how wife is supposed to be there for her man and do everything for her man because that bitch is earning a paycheck week to week. He hasn't seen this country side of her yet. I'm seeing it on all fours. Just so you guys know, Yolanda came with a private plane. She came into the relationship to a private plane. So don't think David Foster is Mr. Innocent. He was looking at all that stuff too. Whatever he wants because of that. I have to play if you have a mobile card. See, so I mean, no one's really innocent here when push comes to shove. Everybody wants something out of somebody. It's disgusting. You were the first one who, you said about Yolanda because remember, I've been to Yolanda fan all this time. I was like, no, Katie, Katie really hits Yolanda, but I really like Yolanda. But now now I see Yolanda ever since she said a woman is supposed to take care of her man and cook for him and make sure the house is clean. It's like shut up, bitch. You do not do anything for them. You order slaves around to do it. Yeah, they have housekeepers. You have to learn English. You have to learn English. Yeah. It's like you can't pick people up in front of the Home Depot and then be mad at them for not knowing English. Of course, they don't know English. That's why in the Home Depot. Not in line. Jesus. I've got a job filling out an application. The new English, they'd be on Craigslist like everybody else. You a-hole. See? Let's get on LinkedIn. You're on fire today. I'm furious. I'm furious with this show and I haven't eaten gluten for two days. Okay. Wait a second. All right. Let's move on to another show because we're just going to keep on harping on the same things. Before we get to New York, actually, really quickly, let's do a palette cleanser. Did anyone watch the trailer or the previews for Orange County? Oh, yes I did. By the way, yuck to the housewives. Oh, my God. Okay. Well, here we're going to enter trouble with these new housewives the same way that we're entering it with Carlton and Joyce. The same thing that got them in trouble this year. They're coming on determined to start fights with people for no reason to stay on the show because everybody knows that's how you do it now. But the difference is that- But that shit works in Orange County. It doesn't- In Beverly Hills, it doesn't work, but in Orange County, it's like trash capital of the world. Like, of course. What happened to Gretchen and sleep? Oh, they just got the can, man. Slade ruined her. Slade ruined her. I think Slade ruined her, too. He ended up being such a promotional. They turned her into a walking billboard that Bravo was like, "Yeah, we're not having this." I'm actually bummed that Lydia's gone. I really liked Lydia and, you know, in that list that I mentioned before, if you go to our Facebook page, Facebook.com/WatchForCrapins, I believe someone actually put a link to the list of, like, every single housewife of all time, ranking, and Lydia's on there. And the description of her said that it was oddly satisfying watching her go toe-to-toe with Slade Smiley about things that how she should eat a burger is actually an insult and not a joke. And that's how I always felt about her, is that she was oddly satisfying. 'Cause she would really, she was flighty and sweet, but she would go to try and defend herself. And her mom was hilarious, even if she put her feet up on a couch. Yeah. Well, you know the season's going to be good, because Tamara has already been all over the Gossip Rags lately, complaining about the new person and how one of the new girls is throwing her own family under the bus just to get scenes. And then, I mean, Tamara's already on a tear about somebody. She also is going after Heather, by the way. And the previews look like Heather gets it from the women, especially Tamara. And another thing that that article said was they rang Tamara pretty high, and they said that they are so impressed with her uncanny ability to always know which housewife to turn against every single season. And it's like, it's so true, and this season it looks like it might be Heather that she goes against. I mean, she really is a genius. That was just a matter of time. She's a genius at being country. Yeah, she is the one to the hotcake Tamara. You don't like Tamara. See, I was that Alexis is God, because as much as I couldn't stand her, she was my least favorite. There was something that, to me, was oddly satisfying about watching her pretend she's so successful. And so Christian, I miss you. Jesus, and an actor. Oh, my God. And the news. Remember what you did? Yes. I'll tell you. Bravo. Bravo missed the boat on this one. They gave, like, all these women, they gave, like, wedding spin-offs. No, Alexis needed a spin-off where she either went into acting or into journalistic endeavors. Because those were funny. When she had to interview Dr. Booty on San Diego, gospel, high, whatever. That was some of the funniest shit in the history of the process. She was in the middle of the interview. Oh, can we do that again? And the woman goes, uh, this is live television. Just a reminder. She was on the live tell. I was watching. I was or when she had to give the fake news report about an imaginary family that was, like, burning in a house. And then they announced that the kids got out safely. It just, oh, thank God. Well, Alexis, you know, made the biggest mistake you can make as a housewife. And she got mature and refused to engage in petty fights with people. And she got fired. Like, you cannot do that. No. If Tamara's after you, you have to just go for it. That's why Tamara's a genius. Tamara knows. She switches it up every single season. So that way it hurt. It doesn't get stale with her. It's not like, oh, once again, another season of her being mad. It's like she goes after it, a different person each season. And then this past year, she went back after Gretchen. And she sort of rehashed all the stuff again. But it felt fresh this time. She had a break from it. And she went on to watch what happens when that show was ending, and of course, Andy is the worst. He pretends he's so nice, but then he rips them all down a room for life. Just fucking this to me. So she's on. And he's like, so Bertha from Bethlehem wants to know why you're such a bitch. And she's like, Bertha wants to know if you're embarrassed that you're ruining your children's lives because they have to watch you on TV or whatever. And she's like, well, listen, Bertha, I make a ton of money being this way. If you don't like it, maybe you should ask Bravo why I'm so excited. We have to have her on this podcast. That's like, I bet she would come on and she would be hilarious. She would go after everyone. We would have her talking about all the other housewives, other shows. She won't give a shit. Who else is off? I'll see. You guys now? With Leah, I can make fun of Leah to her face and she'll laugh. But I feel like with Tamara, I really think she's so gross that if I just told her, I think you're so gross, which I will, I don't know how that's going to turn out. Well, the thing is this, I wouldn't tell her that because I wouldn't tell her that because I'm weird and I don't like to tell people to their faces that they're gross. I would be like diplomatic. I'd be like, you know, people think you're really awful. What do you think about that? Oh, so you and Andy count it? Oh, 100%. Like, I can't do that. I'm not a housewife. I can't do that. The house off the show. So just Gretchen and Lydia. No, in Alexis. In Alexis. Sorry. So we have Gretchen. Gretchen. Tamara Heather. And then new girls, right? Yeah, two new girls, I think. Oh, my God. Okay. So that's very strange that they got rid of three. Yeah, but I think it's, I think it's actually good. I think it's a bit of Gretchen, though. But do we know why? I mean, she didn't have a storyline all year. She didn't fight with anybody. All she did is a fake thing with slaves. I know that she's not married. And you know that they were probably a pain. They asked the two of them. Oh, my God. You know that he was probably making demands and this and that. Like, that's why she got asked from shop in V&C. So like, for bags during her placement. Yeah. You know, like I can tell sometimes people, they probably get fired because they're a handful. I mean, that's probably why Jules Aaron and Kelly Bensmone were fired off of New York City. Because they were probably calling up Andy Cohen all the time trying to get on to watch what happens, et cetera, et cetera. Or Kelly Bensmone probably refused to go to do this or do that. You know, when you don't want to play ball with the producers, you can get fired. Oh, bye-bye. Yeah. I know. I mean, listen, I know exactly how that is. If you don't do what they say, it's like, oh, well, guess what? No one's going to know who you are. I mean, I have so many friends that have done stuff where it's like, yeah, that's why I'm not doing this or that's why I'm not doing that because they don't want to do what they say. Yeah. 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That's P-H-I-L-O.TV to start watching. What? Is it new people over year where they've from last year? Well I know that gay guys were from last year but I didn't watch it. I didn't watch the original six episodes because I was, I don't know, I didn't want to be like me and about it and seemed like I had sour grapes but it's actually super cute. I'll probably watch it again. Yeah. So let's go to New York. Atlanta. Oh, New York. Yeah, not Atlanta. New York. New York. New York is back and I don't know how you guys feel about it but I love the real house size of New York and having them back on the screen made me so happy. I just love this show. Well generally the East Coast ones, New York and New Jersey, both of them stress me out and they're the meanest, most vicious ones. Yeah, okay, but who's your favorite? Who's your favorite, Ronnie? Of New York? Yeah. Well, it's grown to be Ramona just because she is so funny. Ramona is like a force unto herself, you know, like at certain point you transcend being like a bitch and you just become like, it's like Tamara almost becoming for me. It's like, someone like Ramona will say the most awful things and be crazy and be a lunatic but you at certain point just surrender to them and appreciate how much value they add to the show. I mean, how can you not love somebody who starts a season with somebody apologizing to them going, I don't want to have you to be honest. I mean, I don't know what you're doing. I don't know why you're trying to be nice to me, but I don't want to be friends with you. I don't want to have lunch with you. No, gross. No. But that being said, Ramona also had one of my favorite lines of the night, which is that she's like, well, honestly, I think that you're very vicious and I think you're evil and then, and then Aviva says, well, why don't we just celebrate our differences and everyone is like, are you kidding me? I just told you you're vicious and evil and you want to celebrate our differences? I was like, exactly. You know, I absolutely think Ramona is the most, I think she's something's wrong with her. Yeah. I mean, she has crazy eyes. She has those frost completely crazy eyes. No, but I think she's a bit of a sociopath because she really doesn't take ownership for anything that she does. Yeah. She's guilty. She's the guilty one. Always. Yeah. But I don't understand how she doesn't feel that way. Well, sometimes she cries and as we see in the preview, it's good to cry. Oh, God. She's going to be crying a lot this year. I hope they weren't filmed. I mean, I hope do I hope they were? Do I hope they were? No, they were not filming. So also, if you go to our Facebook page, you can read an interview she did with Bethany where she said that basically when all this should hit the fan with Mario, the season was already wrapped up. So it's not really going to come into play. Oh, really? Who's your favorite of the New York ladies? Mine's Carolyn. Carol. Oh, Carol. Yeah. I love Carol. I love Carol. Yeah. Carol Radswell. And you know what? Heather has really grown on me in the beginning of last season. Oh, she annoyed the shit. She was like so fake. And I was like, you're being so fake when you're clearly a bitch down underneath. And now I think that she's kind of embracing her bitch side more, which makes me appreciate her more. Well, she used to work for Bad Boy, she's been a working woman. She started her own company. She does her own thing and she has to deal with nut jobs like Ramona Singer and that other crazy pants. So yeah. She's like Kim Richards. They're like Kim and Kyle to me, but of New York. But better dressed. And she's just like the widest person ever. I love that she's like, yeah, I used to work with P Diddy. And so I'm going to really get down for my birthday. Hola. You are so white. I mean, like we're the costume. I think I read an interview with her several months ago where she talked about how mortified she was that they put Hala in like the like the opening segment that she said that she I think that she said as a joke or something like that. And they put it in there and she's so embarrassed every time she hears it. But I think that she's starting to embrace it as like her thing, which is also mortifying. But that's why it's back for the second year in a row. Yeah, because Joyce got her thing changed where it was like, you can never be too pretty or too rich. Now it says or too, what is it? It's too nice. You can never be too nice. Then or nice. Shut off. Shut off. I will say this. So here's what I'd like about the knee. Oh, my God, what a bunch of dicks. Let's actually let's talk about the opening lines for New York this season. They're crazy. They're crazy. You have Aviva making a joke about like they don't have a leg to stand on. So that's like what and then you have the new girl, Kristen, her thing is, I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but at least I'm pretty. Oh, God. That is like what we just what is this reminds me of like that doll that Lisa Simpson bought back in like season two of the Simpsons where it was like everything was like a demeaning statement for women for women. Like how could you ever like make that your how could you say, oh, yeah, you're definitely getting a blowjob after you get diamond hearing. So that's gonna fall back on you on a negative way to having a daughter and the way you look to other women. I know. Well, I mean, so here's the thing. So what do you guys think about? What do you think about this new girl, Kristen? I love her. I love her. I think she's an out of the box hit. I think she's I think she is definitely dumb. Yeah. And that's what's fun about hers. Dumb girls are fun to watch because they're dumb. She's dumb, but she's also like very animated, which I appreciate too. Like I love that she says how she kind of really hates having kids and how she and I love how I love how she jokes with her husband about like remember what it was like before the kids and I thought that we're gonna be like, yeah, like it our life wasn't complete. And then they're like, yeah, that was so much fun like it was so much better. But I do take exception to when again, that opening line, she brings it up during the show about not the sharpest one in the shed. But at least she's pretty like that's an insight that's a joke or occurring joke with her and her husband. I'm like, that's so insulting. That's so like inappropriate. Please says that's their joke. That's their joke. That's their joke. That doesn't work. That's their inside joke. Oh my God. Did you imagine if Walter said that to me? Well, we're not stupid. I mean, you'd be writing songs from his father. Well, the guy probably like verbally abuses her in a sense. Like he probably makes her feel like shit like, you know, like makes her he's probably manipulative in that way of that. Hey, have you ever had an e-boost, by the way? An e-boost. What is that? Yeah, isn't that what he invented for he's a partner? Oh, yeah. I don't know. He made his money doing something else. But this is like his new thing. I don't know. Well, he was, I had one the other day when I was flying because they have him on Virgin Airlines. And it honestly tasted like something brought it into my water. It was the apocalypse and it was the only water left on the planet earth and I had to drink it. And that's what it was. So, just up what I, if you ever want to try an e-boost, that's funny. I'll just stick with diamond water from the corner slums of India and then drink an e-boost ever again. Like I said, I'll just stick with the diamond water, which I'm sure is actually manufactured in the corner slums of India, not the processing plant that we saw. Yeah. But one thing about this Heather girl that I would like to say is I don't really think she's, I mean, I think she's like, um, Kristin, whatever, the blonde. She should be named Heather. Doesn't she seem like a Heather? Yeah. Heather, a Bridget. Or like a, um, Bridget. I'm having a, um, but she does seem kind of dumb, but I mean, she's a gorgeous model. Gorgeous. You didn't ever have to study. But I think what I like about her is that she, her face isn't that pretty, it's a little pointy, he said. Oh, well, I like that they have that relationship that they're very self-aware, that some older ugly guy who has a lot of money married a model. I think that they're very self-aware of it and it makes, it makes it funny to me because she gives them blow jobs for diamond ears. Yeah. I mean, I think that they're joking about it because they know the perception of it and it's true. And I think that they've probably actually really grown to be good friends through it. It seems like, I mean, just, just from, um, you know, obviously a flash perspective, it just seems like they've come to accept that fact and actually really started to love each other maybe? I don't know. It's cute. It's like an arranged marriage gone right. I mean, that's very, I mean, it's because I'm Lebanese. Maybe that's a little of the old country coming through, but I like it. I don't know. I would say for me, it was just very exciting to have these women back because I always feel like the women on real housewives of New York, even at their stupidest, they still seem smarter than all the other women on all the other shows. Is that me? I mean, I just feel like there's something a little sharper. Yeah, because you're New Yorkers. That's true. I mean, like, they're a little sharper, a little more savvy. They definitely dress the best out of any cast, like beyond, beyond someone. They have a stylist. Did you not see Sonya's stylist? Yeah, but like all the women have stylists, you know? But someone on our Facebook page was like, oh, you should make fun of Kristen's necklace that looked like intestines. I'm like, no, I love that necklace. I thought it looked fantastic on her. And I'm not someone who even notices things like that. Oh, I thought it was fitting that she's wearing a necklace. It looks like a giant rope because this shows about to ruin her fucking life. I love that tattoo too. I thought it looked like an old set of balls pulled out and twisted around her neck. So, yeah, it's very fitting after she got her diamond earrings. I think Sonya, by the way, is looking great, I think. OK, Sonya's body. Did she have wore-- I mean, whatever she's doing, I'm shocked. She looks amazing. Yeah, she gets body work done. We saw her do it last season, I think. What does she get done? Body work. Like, she gets fat frozen and she gets lipo, which I mean, she'll get everything nipping stiffer. She is. I want to get that done. Because where did these broke bitches get the money to do this? Well, now, I'm sure that she's probably stopped throwing money at her toaster oven. And now it's probably just putting it towards lipo. For toaster oven. Oh, my God. Oh, thank you. Did they ever make up to Heather and what's her name you ever make up about the toaster oven tobacco? They just decided to get over it. Yeah, I think they're just sort of just being friendly. Of course, so the big thing that happened this episode in terms of making up was that Aviva decided that she wanted to win back Ramona, which we alluded to earlier. So somehow Aviva managed to get Ramona to go out to dinner and Aviva basically just kisses her ass the entire time. I didn't get that. I really didn't get that because I think it's remotest fall. I don't think Aviva really did anything wrong. She said, no, she called her. She said that she shouldn't be promoting all that drinking and alcohol and everything when she knows her best friend, Sonia, is going through all that shit, which I am. I agree with and Ramona was making excuses for her saying, well, she's going through a divorce and she's not getting this and it's like, that's an excuse. Yeah, but it was great. Where Eviva really went off the deep end was on scary Island. Yeah. When she was like, you should, I expected a banner. You should have put up a banner that said, congratulations, Aviva. You made it. Rava. Hurrah. Oh, yeah, that was. Oh my God. Yeah, that's where Eviva went nuts. The problem is that like after she went crazy like that, no matter what she said after that, regardless of whether or not it had any merit, it was tainted because she was a crazy woman and she didn't really apologize properly and by the time she did it was too late. So even if she was making good point, I don't know, I think she was totally bonkers and she's a psychotic woman. She really is and she's also tacky as we saw when she went up to Carol and then immediately asked her, do you mind editing my book? I mean, are you crazy? One thing to look at like a 30 page something or 120 page script, but an entire book? That's crazy. Yeah. Isn't that weird? The thing that, I know that it seems weird that Aviva is kissing Ramona's ass, but here's, I mean, we all know how these shows work. If nobody tapes with you, you're gone. Yeah. Everyone hates Aviva and Ramona at least is so stupid that she can switch sides easily. All you really have to do is kiss her ass and stroke her ego and Aviva's shamelessly doing it knowing that Ramona is the boss of the whole show at this point, I mean, she's like the Vicki Gundelson. Yeah, she's like the Vicki and so if everybody makes her be nice and she'll be at every event and she'll be invited places and she can keep her job. I mean, that's really all it is and it's hilarious to watch Ramona fall for it. Well, she's kissing my ass, but it's working. Well, I loved also that Ramona's like, why now Aviva? Why now do you care? I'm like, well, you realize Ramona that like a week ago, there were no cameras and starting this week, then you know, I have cameras for the next four months. I think that's why now that's why because she's visible to millions of people because the season is starting and you guys need to coexist and she wants to sell her book. Yeah. These women really hate Aviva. I mean, every single one of them, even Carol, who at least tries to be nice, just was like a wish, just like, I get that distance, a safe distance from Aviva. Wait, so how is she? You should absolutely be about to show up and immediately start asking what you could do for her. Oh my God. Oh, God. We make fun of Carol a lot, but we actually love her the most. Yeah, she's the most real out of all of them. I don't have a voice for her, but she just kind of has that old lady voice with her big porcelain density, when she's always talking about having sex with young people. She's the hat trick of fun. I don't know. Stating them or adopting them. But it's a princess because she was married to... She's married to like a Kennedy who somehow had some sort of royal ties to something. Well, it's the thing we all... We know. I know. It's like very tenuous. But we know it's real because it really offended Lee wham that she got ranked. Yeah. Oh my God. And she was like, but oh yeah, she got deranged. She's the former Countess. And I loved it. The discountis. I think... The discountis. Oh, we called her that. Mario. Mario called her the discountis and she was a flummox for an entire season. She's like, "Would you believe that he called me the discountis? I mean, how rude!" Ha ha! Totally. Not at the Cancer Society, never at the Cancer Society. They were showing the whole season and they were showing the reunion and I was dying at Lee wham. And she's like, "Well, I don't like when people talk behind my back because that's just not the kind of princess I know." And the girl was like, "You know a lot of princesses." Oh my God. She coughed in a cloud of smoke, came out. Oh God. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. Good to know that whole story. I am glad that they are making it. It's almost like they're promising us that they're like, "Don't worry everybody. We will bring back Lee wham." Yeah. Because they showed her a lot in the previews. But they better bring back Lee wham. I'm not done with her yet. No. I'm a little old. Lee wham is one of those that I talked about before. She's someone who transcended above like, "Do I love her or hate her? It doesn't matter." 'Cause she's a force to be reckoned with. She's... Let's shake... Face chic. So... She's Lee wham. I mean, she's Lee wham. She's the Countess. She's the one. I just love that she acts so classy, but she is really the grossest out of all of them. She's the one health herself. She's her boyfriend on national TV and then trying to lie about it. And then on this season, it looks like she goes home with Harry. With Harry. No. I mean, she's the best. I love the wear. Oh yeah. And by the way, what a cock block of Viva is. Sonya shows up with this, you know, a hot 23-year-old at this party. And Viva goes up and is like, "Sow, how's Harry? My ex. How's he doing?" What a cock block. Wait, I'm confused, was that in a preview? No, it was this episode. It was a quick little scene, but Viva, you know, has this ex-Harry that Sonya bangs, apparently. And so Viva goes... That's disgusting. And it says Sonya goes... Viva goes up to Sonya while Sonya has a date on her arm and starts asking her about how her ex-husband is. Oh my God. Why would you do that? 'Cause you're a Viva. You're a Viva dresser and you're legitimately crazy. And on top of that, when she's trying to apologize to Ramona, she's like, "I just want to say, I just want to say that I'm sorry." And you know, I didn't mean to be like that. And you know, you have a few years on me, so I want to learn from you. Oh my God. Why did she do that? I don't know. It's all to your age. Basically saying you're an old boy, and that was funny. That part was like, "Are you giving a few years on me? What does that mean?" What does that even fucking mean? I don't even think that she does. I mean, how much of an age difference can they have? I don't know. What... Did you know? But a Viva's kids are like really young, which is crazy. Well, it's a modern miracle. Modern miracle. Yeah. Yeah. We all know. All right, so why don't we move on to Atlanta, which also had a noteworthy episode. It was the beginning of their vacation. And the big thing that dominated this episode was that we had a Cordell Stewart made an appearance. Peter went to visit Cordell Stewart, which by the way, I think this is, falls way more in the flagrant foul situation than Brandy and Sheena, if you ask me. Yeah. Yeah. This was just rotten. Peter is just disgusting. Peter, I was actually offended by Peter the entire episode. I mean, that he goes and so Cordell has this whole, Cordell says this whole thing about how, you know, he's like, Portia would always bring her family over and then like one day I came home and Portia's mom was sitting on my, sitting on my beige chairs in my master bedroom watching TV. He thinks spaghetti. It's like, get over yourself Cordell. Yeah. Way to prove you're not gay. You're mad that your couch almost got stained, like really you're coming on to disprove gay rumors with that. Yeah. I mean, I've ever been over to Ben's apartment. The fact that his furniture looks like that and Cordell is straight, please. Yeah. It looks like someone was shot on Ben's futon. The futon's gone. I've got new furniture. Yeah. Oh my God. Are you serious? Ben fasted up. Yeah. You go onto my Instagram, B-side blog, and you can see my apartment. In fact, I posted a picture of it just last week because I was like, the lighting looked good. And for a moment, my apartment looked like a real grown up Cordell Stewart apartment. When Ben came out of the closet, he remodeled. Oh my God. Let me tell you something, I will make sure I do not eat a can of SpaghettiOs sitting on your new couch. Yeah. You know what? Can I tell you something? When I came out of the closet, one of my best friends, I told him he's straight and I was like, you know, so I'm gay. And he goes, huh? He goes, well, you're going to need some better clothes now. The very first thing you said. I never gave it away to me because I was like, there's no way because this apartment looks like a fucking dorm room. It really did. It really did back in the day. It was like a frat house. I was like, I don't know what fraternity you're in. But if I sit on this couch, I'm afraid I'm going to get pregnant. It was Sigma Phi Epsilon. I was a C.F. As was our dearly departed Matt with Field, he was also a C.F. But we're in different colleges. Aw. Good to know. Good to know. Wait. So anyway, so Cordell, okay. So Cordell sells his side of the story, which is very flimsy, like not grounds for divorce if you ask me, like grounds for like annoyance grounds for annoyance if it were true, but not. Well, I heard that you told her you were going to break up with her Twitter. And he's like, she knew she already knew. Yeah. She knew it was coming because you had a fight a long time ago. You told her on Twitter. You didn't even deny it. Like, yeah, we're disgusting. Who does that? Who gets a divorce on Twitter? I know. Well, so, so here's what really, this is actually the thing that Peter said that really rubbed me the worst way of the whole episode. I don't remember if you was, I think he was telling us in an interview in a confessional thing and it starts saying about like, see all these women are like, like talking, talking, talking, and he makes this little like gesture with his hand like that, like that, like the natter. Like, like, like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, just talking, talking, talking. So I went and, you know, and I talked to him and I'm like, that's, that's so misogynist. It's so sexist of you to say it like that. As if like, what the women are saying barely even matters and who cares, they're just a bunch of women gossiping, but when he hears it from, when he hears it man to man, that somehow makes it real. And somehow, Cordell's side is now magically almost more legit because it's like man to man. Like, you know, we talk about these women all the time. We always say they're stupid or this or that, but the truth is, you know, we will ultimately defend women. Why the hell did he bring it up in front of everyone in the limo that is so shady, disgusting. He's attacking a woman who's alone on a couple's trip in front of everybody. I mean, and it's being paid for by his wife because, you know, his ass doesn't make any money. Yeah, his children's already being foreclosed on, supposedly. I mean, shut up. Here, I'm gonna look so vile. I just, yeah, like, it's like, it's, you know, cause the thing is that what Portia is saying, and I believe Portia, what she's saying when went wrong in the marriage is like really serious shit, like about being controlled, et cetera, et cetera. And we saw a lot of Evans to that, you know, and, you know, and she, I thought was being very honest when she said, look, I basically agreed, I knew about your reputation and I wanted to, as a service to you, to help clear your reputation, like that's, most women, I think, would not want to admit that because it shows a lot of cunning, you know. Yeah. And she really, I think, was laying it all out there. And I believe Portia, 100%. And for Peter to question it, and then to go to the, to, to this guy and get his story, it was so, it was just, but also he thinks he's making friends with someone who's famous and that will make him look better and bring rich clients to his stupid bar that's going to be closed down any second now because he owes $100,000 in unpaid back rent, which I just learned from the Internet. Thank you, Internet. Oh my God, $100,000 according to the Internet, which is always correct, but he's kissing ass so that he can get money from this rich guy. And then he's trying to stand up for the rich guy, but basically he got his wife to say on national television that he's gay and basically hired her to be a closet case. And then he, or hired her to be a beard. And then he confirmed it by saying, so you're basically saying he hired you to be a beard. I'm like, repeated it a couple of times just in case we didn't get it. It's like Peter, you're too stupid to even use somebody. He's like, you know that? He's literally like asleep at the table while Portia's stating her side of the case. I mean, he's. Yeah. And of course, Greg is trying to say something like, well, maybe you're out ran a blessing. I'm like, no, no, no, no, it's not. Oh, right. I see her blessing. Yeah. Oh, well, I got it. By the way, I got to tell you something. I think Nini is a very mean person. Very mean. I'm done with. I'm done with trying to think because I used to think she was funny and she would say really funny things. I thought she was really quirky and I'm like, Nini is so crazy when she's Nene and all the stuff. Now it's just keep, she keeps bringing up money and I am rich and I am this and it's like, that's that empire isn't the last. It's just nominated for some award for Bette for worst actress of the year in any sitcom for how terrible she was on that show. Then she was on a couple of reality shows. Who cares? Like, get over yourself. She thinks she's fucking Julia Roberts. And then they hired her on dancing with the stars, which really made me hate that. Oh my God. Me too. I'm not watching it because of that. I refuse. It's getting a moose on a dance floor. Why would you do that to the poor dancer? God bless his heart. I know. Why? Why? Oh my God. Imagine who has to do lifts with her. Oh my God. Sedurance policy. Nene is horrible and Nene is going off against Marlowe this whole time because Marlow betrayed her by being nice to Kenya. I can't even handle Nene's. Marlowe is like, I'm so mad. I can't believe she would do this to me. She has such a man voice. That dude, I can't even do it. I'm trying to do Marlowe voice. I'm stopping. I'm stopping right now. Marlowe voice isn't even deep enough to do Marlowe voice. Do you know that Walther thinks she looks like a tranny? Yes. She looks like a man. That's a rumor that she's transcended. Is it really? By the way, was anyone else slightly uncomfortable when these couples all showed up in Mexico and they trotted out like Lawrence in a poncho with a mustache and sombrero and he's like, "Hey, like twirls." In high heels. In high heels. Like, could you imagine, I mean, that's like, any culture like showing up in me like going to like China and being like surprise and Lawrence comes out like in a kimono and be like ching chong ching chong, like that's what it was like to me. I was like, this is crazy right now. It was insulting. I'm not kidding. It was. It was. It was. And I think it's also sad that Kenya has nothing of her own. I mean, I don't like Nene very much right now, but Kenya did swoop in to get that friend to piss Nene off. That's really her only friend on the show that she hangs out with. And then her gay friend is Shariah's friend. Like she doesn't even have her own things. She has her own friends. Kenya has lost to me. Kenya is a lost person because, first of all, everyone keeps saying, "Oh, her magical African prince." I don't, I saw her on Watch What Happens and even Andy Cohen after he was like, "So you could even pronounce it." That's a country, right? I just, I felt really bad because Kenya has nothing to say. You don't know what Andy Cohen was, so and so says this about you and maybe there isn't even a magical friend. She's like, "Oh, just stay tuned." And we're like, "We are." And then he's still out there. She got caught, supposedly got caught, and I had the fucking internet is really ruining my life. But supposedly she got caught hiring some guy who's like a famous singer in Nigeria or something to appear with her somewhere on camera or something. And she tried to hire him again through his agent to come on the reunion show, but he was booked already. Well, remember she hired that that was already happened. For what was it, some guy said, "Oh, yeah, I came out in the end and said, 'Yes, you need me to--' Yeah, Walter. Not your Walter. Not your Walter. Oh. Her Walter. Gay Walter. Oh, yeah. Walter the plumber. We had a tow. He had a tow company. Oh. Oh, but Walter the tow truck bag. Yeah. I think the rumor was that he was, "Oh, Kenya planted a seed that he was good." Because that's what you do on Real Housewives of the planet. You try and marry the most terrible man you can find who will spend all your money and treat you like crap, and if you can't, then you just say he's gay. Oh, my God. By the way, how excited do you think Dwight was when there was a possibility that Phaedra might take him on vacation? Because after all these years, he still has not been brought to a single vacation. Oh, poor Dwight. I think we've been saved. Dwight. You know Dwight. No. Who's Dwight? He used to be meanies gay. He's that waxy guy who does all the parties for Portia-- Oh, my God. Dwight. He's like the black chucky. Yeah. You know what? His face serves me. I'm scared of-- It's true. He looks like a scepter. He literally looks like a snake scepter, like he's like, "Pays should be held by an evil queen and brandished about." Oh, my God. He really-- I'm sorry, but I can't deal with Phaedra anymore. I can't. Oh, I love Phaedra. I love Phaedra. A southern bear never loses a charm. No, Phaedra is just like, "Girl, you got me with motherfucking crazy." And I'm like, "Oh, my-- wait. What about your lady like charm?" Oh, my God. She had some line this week. I wish I'd written it down. It was so funny. Do you guys remember what it was? Do you remember what it was? Ronnie and I actually watched it together. Oh, or a couple. Honey, I would rather personally take my black history final exam. Oh, my God. Yes, that's what it was. That's so hard enough. And hold on. I have another one here somewhere. Let me find it. I would rather portion take-- I started making gifts, so I have one waiting for the Real Housewives recap to be turned in. Oh, please, God, me, one of-- I would rather have portion take my black. I did. I did. But she has another one where she was like-- she was talking about Kenya, and she's like, "That rintly driving no man, Evan." Oh, friendly. The rintly Walter went crazy. He goes, "Oh, my God, a rintly." Who's the son of the daughter of the family? I missed the rintly. I missed that. That's amazing. That rintly driving no man, Evan. I love her. She is so funny, and also I really love her now, because it turns out she's a Godfather, and it's like running a huge criminal empire, which is amazing. Yeah. Wait a second. What? Have you not heard all this stuff? Okay. Oh, what's happening? So this girl named Angela something-- I'm sorry I don't remember your name, but if I did, I would be even worse of a person than I already am, and I have no time for you, bitch. But her name is Angela something. Yeah. And she went to jail because she used to work for Phaedra with Apollo. They were partners in all these schemes that Phaedra had going on defrauding banks by opening fake car dealerships and getting fake loans to these fake-- I mean real loans to these fake customers and then spending the money. So she had all of these business-- that's why she's got all these businesses to funnel her money through. So she's apparently like this huge criminal, and she's really good at keeping her hands clean by hiring other people. And Apollo was one of her employees, and that's why he went to jail. And she married him so he couldn't testify against her. Now that is all rumor from this Angela-- Angela Stanton, oh, I am a terrible person. Angela Stanton is hurting. So look it up if you don't believe me because she gave a whole big interview about it. And I totally believe it because now Apollo was just arrested, and it was for all of the stuff that this bitch talked about already. Wait a second. We just recently? Yeah. Like about a month ago, he was arrested, yeah, oh, it's big. This is a lot of serious charges already against him. Oh my goodness. Is this going to be like the New Jersey-- is this going to be like a Teresa Goudice or Gennice? Yeah, this is like-- I mean, I think they had larger federal fraudulent issues. But this one's a pretty big case against Apollo. It's bad. Save it. She's next because really all it takes is someone to turn. It can't be only them. You know, apparently she's got like a whole network of people. And this Angela Stanton girl was one of the ones who already went down. But if people start turning on her, you know-- Aw, shit. Oh my god. She's Al Pacina. Or because, you know, here she is on some reality show acting like some sweet southern bell when really everything Kenya said about her is kind of true. She's this shady character who's got like-- Well, remember the first season she was on, she was super shady when she kept on saying that she was like having her child at five months, you know, like-- she likes to keep a secret. Yeah, there was some-- oh, I forgot all about that. Remember she said-- Yeah, it's five months old. So what was the implication that it couldn't be-- that she wasn't married when she got pregnant or that Apollo couldn't be the father because he was in jail? No, I think it was that like, if the child, if it had been like a nine month thing, then she would have had the-- she'd have gotten pregnant before getting married. I think that's what the situation was. Aw, who cares? Like, they have so much class in Atlanta that that's what they're going to work. Oh, my God, like, anyone cares, nowadays anyway. Oh, my God, you guys are married and you're being a kid. Ah, you're going to hell, you're home for-- well then all of LA is going to go up in flames for another reason now. They will. Well, did you guys watch "Southern Charm" this week? I did. So it's funny because that's like showing the other side of the South, in a sense, like, I feel like Atlanta shows the new Vohrish and "Southern Charm" shows the-- Old money. Just the Rish. They're old money. We talked about this last week. I said-- we talked about how I said at least that I really enjoyed watching "Assholes with Old Money" versus "Assholes with New Money" because it's a different side of "Assolness." I love "Assholes with Old Money." Yeah. That is my favorite. It's like a whole different style. So this week, not much happened this week, but by the way, are we done with Atlanta? Can I talk about "Southern Charm"? Of course. Yeah, we're off. Of course. Bless your heart. Oh. A true gentleman. Always. Let's play. He speak. Atlanta is my favorite one and I don't like dissing people too bad on it because I just love them. I think it's the funniest show on TV. Well, "Southern Charm," I don't have too much to say about it this week, but I do find it very entertaining and I have to say, Whitney's mother, Whitney is a man, Katie. Whitney's mother is this like Southern Belle Lucille Bluth and she is one of the best things to come out of Bravo in months. She is amazing. She's like "Mama Elsa" for a season. No. She's sort of like, okay, so here's the example. So this guy, Whitney has this assistant who sort of looks like Busy Phillips and she's this blonde girl, she says things and they cut to the mother, she's like basically holding martini or if she isn't, she is in my mind and she goes, "I don't like her. Let me explain that again. I don't like her. I do not like her." Dude, I do not like her. And I just like could not stop loving her and that's the way she is the whole episode. Every time you see her, she basically is saying different versions of, "I don't like her." She's like, "When are you getting your life together? What's happening with your movie?" Because I don't like her. He's like, "Mama, I want to open a Mexican restaurant." She's like, "I think that's a little out of your league." Isn't that out of your expertise a little bit? It's like, "What do you know about Mexicans?" Like, "Oh my god, this lady is hilarious." What is it? Did this just, when did Southern term debut? Last week. This is, the second episode was on Monday. Okay. Well, then maybe I will. I did not want to watch it, but I started watching it and I really like it a lot. And it's just like wealthy people. I think people are watching it for her because I think she's funny, but yeah. Do you guys know how it's doing in the ratings? Is it like a bomb or is it great? I have no idea. I feel like it's probably not doing that well because... Is it going to be like work, et cetera, or OMG or whatever? Or like, library, other show they've released this year, except below that. OMG, LOL, or whatever the hell that looks like? LOL, I think it's doing LOLs or whatever. I don't know how it's doing, but I am enjoying it. And I'm very fascinated by this one character, Thomas Ravinal, who is 50 years old, although I actually thought he was more of a weathered 40. I was surprised that he was 50. And he's trying to be a politician, but he doesn't have any kids. I was a famous parent or something, it was like a legacy of whatever. Yeah, well, they're all legacy. Every time I go over that bridge, I think of my father and how we paid for it. So, congratulations. Oh my gosh. Well, Chef has a breed of dogs. Chef has a breed of dogs that's named after him, so they're basically all just excessively wealthy and... And their former family members probably had like slaves, farms, slaves, slaves falling out of the trees. Yeah, like congratulations on all that wealth your family built on the back of slaves. Yeah, let's go to the beach. I don't think it's sleep at night thinking about, you know, George Washington Carver. Well, this show is also hilarious, I mean, and by hilarious, I mean sad. Because it's these old guys, okay, one of them has the worst wig I've ever seen. Oh my God. It's like, at least come your wig. Yeah, no, that's Whitney. Because he's like, quote unquote, like, indie and alternative. So that means that he wears like rumpled shirts, a little rumpled. So maybe like a blazer, that's like white instead of black, with a black shirt. And she's like, she's like all indie and cool, but he's also 45 and... And wigs and badwigs. Yeah. And then there's the other guy who's 50, who's like going to run for mayo or something. Yeah. And the old star is the old old people. No, no, no, but then there's Shepp, who's 35, and then there's another guy who's like 25. Yeah, they're mixing them. They're mixing the old and the young. It's kind of... Okay, because this seems... I mean, you know, most of the time I feel like Bravo does that, you know, those workout girls show. Yeah. Did that get picked up? Oh, I don't know. I never even watched it. I shouldn't even turn that bullshit on. I mean, look, I tried and it was painful. So, but I think the shows with younger spoiled people doesn't work. Yeah. I think you have to... You really have to have a diverse cast because you're going to get better viewers that way. Yeah. The only time it ever works with young spoiled brats, obviously, is Vanderpump Rules. But everything else you have... But look, who's the helm of it? Yeah. Yeah, it's a mix, though. Yeah. Absolutely. I think... Plus, there's like a different quality to arguments that come from older people. You know, younger people, when they argue, there's just something very vapid and annoying about it. But when it's like older people going at each other, there's something like fascinating about it. Like they mean it. Yeah. It's like you shouldn't be doing this, but you are. I think it's so sad to look at these guys and they're chasing these 20-year-old girls. Yeah. One of them's like running for office, so he needs to have the perfect wife and he's basically just auditioning people to marry. You know, he's going to cheat on his whole life anyway. Yeah. He's doing this beautiful blonde girl who looks like she's 25 years old and he's like, "Well, I wanted to know if she's good enough for me." It's like, "You are fucking 50 and you're a criminal and you went to jail for trafficking drugs while you were fucking state treasury." Oh my gosh, are you serious? Like, yes. And he's like wondering if someone's good enough for him, please crack up, please back down. God. I mean, it's full of crazy delusional people, but he is funny and he's also the person who really said, "I never had a problem with cocaine. I just like the way it smells." Oh my God, that is genius. Yeah. But then the only other thing I thought that was noteworthy was that there was a little kerfuffle because Chapp went after Katie and the thing is that some other guy wanted Katie, but Chapp broke code, which was sort of poor on Chapp's part. So then this guy, what's the name of the young guy? It doesn't matter. I don't know. So he likes this girl. I think her name is Katie or Catherine. And so, but Chapp like swoops in and bangs her, etc. So then- Oh my God, what a poor. I know. So then the three of them are out at drinks or something and then Chapp makes a joke about how he has standards and then the young guy who's pissed at Chapp's took his girls, like, yeah, standards until 11 p.m., which is, he says this right in front of the girl. So he's basically insulting the girl that she is like a low standard. You know? And she's like, ew, fuck you. And he's like, no, stay out of it. I'm like, are you still trying to have a shot at this girl because you're doing a terrible job. Like, you're insulting her, like, no, you should just like ignore Chapp and just go after her. Well, that girl was a ho. A direct girl, right? She is. She is. She is also bangs on this guy, the first hour that she met him. And then she's already fucking one of his friends like to do these people. And then is that the girl that the other one was trying to fuck to? Yeah. Like ho. Well, they're like, her hair is like dyed red and they're like, wow, I've never seen a hair about red before. Oh my god. They're like, oh, she's such a rebel. She's such a rebel with her red hair. Yeah. This shows the fucking train wreck. Okay. Let me ask you now about blood, sweat, and tear. Heels. Blood, sweat, and heels. Yeah. I hate it. I cannot with that show anymore. I keep watching it. So you love it. I can't show it. It's a waste. But I will say I'm tired. I love it. But I have to say it did have a strong start. The past few episodes have been a little blah. But I do love it. I mean, what were they thinking they were going to be following? I mean, first of all, a blogger. Okay. She doesn't do anything but sit at home, eat Cheetos, and write things. And we know that because we are bloggers. Yeah. Okay. So that bitch has no life. And alcoholic, what is, what is Mike supposed to even be doing on that show? I'm like, I'm just trying to think. When they put this together, I feel like it was just some white guy who is like, find some black ladies because people really like real housewives of Atlanta and married to medicine. So just find some that aren't in their 40s and put them on camera. It's like, you know, like get a blogger and then a bunch of other people like, did you guys have any kind of plan beyond that? Because I don't see it like they're so boring. I can't watch it. I refuse it. It was honestly, it was like so good in the beginning of the season. The past like one or two episodes have been a little dull. But like, you know, Micah is, Micah is some reality gold. You know what? In fact, when I said the mother from southern charm is the best thing to come out bravo in a few months, I stand corrected. She's the best thing to come out of bravo since Micah because Micah is a great character. And the others are like really, they're like, they're, they could be funny too, but they're just a little too mature. So they haven't been fighting as much as they really need to be. Wow. It was kind of funny, I thought, when Genevieve or the Geneva whatever put, put Kegel balls, try to put Kegel balls up her badge, but she dropped them on the ground. Like the only, I started to take notes and the only thing I wrote down for the whole show was please don't make me watch this bitch insert Kegel balls, please. Because she was talking about them and then she pulls them out and I was like, oh my god, is she going to really do this? And then she drops one and like watches it hop to the sink which is hilarious. But I don't, I don't know, I don't need to, I don't know, I don't even have that. It's like Lisa could your own that. So I didn't need to see that. Do you ever watch that? Well, I know how that is, it's disgusting. Gross, don't need it, it needs to stop. So what else? Is other stuff starting on Brahms? Coming up? Um, no. Are you guys watching Flipping Out? No. Yeah. Oh, wait, did that start? Yeah, I think it's had two episodes. I never have anything to say about it, it's just like, it's like when I watch it, it's funny, but it's like I've got nothing to say. Yeah, me too. All right. Guess we just walked in the room to say hello to all the Watch what Crapkins viewers. James Brown. Richard Marks. Watch what Crapkins viewers, hello. Hey, it's Walter. Well, hello Walter. Can Walter hear us? Yeah, I can hear you. Can I hear you? Are we, wait. Somebody see me? No. Thank God. Yeah, put your pants back. Don't worry anything. He's, he's, they know you were just working with Richard Marks, so they hope that you have pants on. Otherwise, nice story. I was, I was trying to get Katie to bring Richard Marks out, out here and into the podcast. But, what are your thoughts on that, Judy? I just want to see what you think that Richard tweeted at me. Oh, Richard tweeted you? Okay. We are going to show you. I know, Judy, but this is live. Well, I don't care. Oh my God. Walter, what was your favorite thing that happened on Bravo this week? I don't like how I was in New York. Why? I don't think that they're interesting enough to get my attention. How could you say that? You just called me an interesting, that's not very nice of you. You know, I'm a professional woman. I work very hard for what I have. Do you guys know? Do you guys know he calls Aviva Eileen? Eileen? Oh, because she has to lean on one leg. Come on, Eileen. That's better than Peggy. Listen, I put up with Housewives Beverly Hills. I put up with Housewives of Atlanta. I put up with, you know, Lisa and her Vanderpump, whatever crew, but I just can't do the New York. Yeah. New York, I was just saying is the one that stresses me out. That one and the Real Housewives of New York. It's my favorite. New York is my favorite. I love New Jersey. I'm dying to hear if those two are going in prison. Well, they're not going to show it because they already filmed it, but hopefully they are in July. Yay. Maybe they'll go to jail on Independence Day. Wouldn't that be amazing? Oh, my God. But no, they'll get rid of Joe Judites. He'll have to move back to Italy. To Italy. No, I don't think he's getting deported. I think I've read that somewhere that he's not, right? It's like, sorry for the terrible pizza we're about to send your way, Italy. Wait a second. So Richard Marks just tweeted at W. Afanasyaf has the musical DNA of about 14 genius musicians all to himself. Hashtag not fair to us mortals. You know what's not fair? That he didn't mention David Foster in that tweet. David Foster is the genius. Baba Streisand was at our house yesterday. Like not even Baba Streisand has an attitude like Beyonce. Oh, my God. You know what I told you? I told you guys from the beginning and now you believe me? Yes. All right. Well, on that note, I think we should wrap it up because this is a one long ass podcast. Oh, my God. It's long, but it's to the point and everyone who's listening is going to go, yeah. We said exactly what I was thinking above you guys, because we've been bad about doing real short podcast lately because it's like change over time between the housewives. So it was good to have a bunch of crap to bitch about this week. Absolutely. Yeah. So so thank you Katie for once again coming back on. Thanks Walter for for coming on to and you can find Katie on Twitter at the painted nail paint and now it's also we can find her on Facebook too. You can find Ronnie at trash tweet TV on Twitter and his website is trash talk TV.com. We does a lot of funny videos and things and recaps. So yeah, I do recaps of Beverly Hills and I just started a tumbler thing for gifts because they're really fun. So come to just search for a trash talk recaps trash talk TV recaps on a tumbler. Yeah. 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